News Roundup: Prospects for Young People, The PCA CN Committee

Weather, Wildfire Restrictions, and the Loss of Ordinary Freedom

Walk in the woods is no longer allowed in Nova Scotia and it may not be for the.

Rest of the summer. Effective 4 p .m. today we're telling Nova Scotians stay.

Out of the woods. Nova Scotia's premier announced today a ban on activities in the forest because of extreme dry conditions and the risk of wildfires.

Hiking, camping, fishing and the use of vehicles in the woods are not permitted.

Trail systems through woods are off limits. At these walking trails in the heart of Sydney some agreed with the move while others didn't. As long as.

You're not starting a fire or smoking you know that kind of thing you should.

Be able to walk it there. It kind of sucks for the campers and anybody out tenting but it's probably necessary. At these wooded trails in Cockseath the.

Entrance is blocked off. The people who run the trails say while they understand the province's move it's also unfortunate. So there's some expansions.

And upgrades that we had hoped to finish this summer that depending on how long this goes it will be will be slowed down. According to the province the.

Penalty for violators will be the same as it is for the berm ban put in last week $25 ,000 though camping is allowed at registered campsites and some exceptions will be made for work in the woods. So they can get a permit to carry.

Out their operations on Crown lands. They may need to operate at night which can.

Take place. The premier says with nothing but more dry weather expected in the coming days the move is being made now to try and avoid a major wildfire like the one outside of Halifax two years ago. We've had briefings from.

Environment Canada about the near-term forecast and there is no significant.

Rain in sight. As for how long this ban on being in the woods. Welcome to the.

Conversations that matter podcast that was a bit of an abrupt end there but that's a crazy video and I figured I'd share it with you. I saw it on X this morning. My brother shared it actually and I didn't at first I was confused I'll put it that way because he said well you can't go in the woods in this region in Canada.

I thought go in the woods you can't. I mean this sounds like COVID again. Right 2020. Even during COVID though you could still go in the woods and so obviously. Then I watched it and sure enough this is something I'm dealing with right now in the state of New York because for the last four days five days we've had smoke and it's actually limited me.

I've wanted to take my bike out for a little ride because that's how I try to keep in shape and I can't I can't it's not really safe to go for a jog or to go on a bike ride. I mean you could. But you're gonna get particulate matter in your lungs and everything's hazy.

You can't see the mountains and it's because there's like so go on a line if you're curious about this and go to a map of air quality your phone should have one. If you have an iPhone you just go to the weather and click on the map and then you overlay it with the air quality.

And Canada is just burning up. It's so bad and a lot of the places that it's burning the place actually where the fire is probably the worst because there's several fires is on the I guess middle point of Hudson Bay towards the towards the West.

Well how many people live off of Hudson Bay on the western side of Hudson Bay. I mean it's not that many. So I don't think that banning people from walking in the woods I mean and what are you gonna do.

Right. Unless you have a very extensive way of monitoring who goes in the woods then the people who want to burn down the forest are gonna do it anyway. They don't. I mean go on the edge of the woods if they want.

But if they wanted to really get deep in there who's gonna stop him. Who's gonna get up cameras on all the trees. I mean what kind of mechanism what kind of dystopian mechanism would you use to prevent this kind of thing.

It's hard. You have to do what Canadians and well I suppose everyone in mountainous regions has I don't even know if they need to be mountainous that's just where I've seen them. But everyone in areas that have extensive forests you have a fire tower you have people that that's their job.

They watch they try to find now maybe they don't need that now because they have satellites and all the rest. But yeah banning people in a residential area from walking in the woods I'm sure that'll. It's really gonna stop your forest fires especially the ones out in areas where there's hardly any people and and all that does is prevent the people who actually do have good intent from going out and enjoying the woods.

And maybe that makes some of them more violent. You ever thought of that. Maybe stir. Maybe that'll make them stir crazy. Like what we experienced in 2020. It's just unbelievable. It's just unbelievable.

And it's so interesting to me that Canada is so close I can drive there from where I am sitting right now and be there. And I don't know. Five hours. Maybe it's not that far. And it obviously shares a very extensive border with the United States.

And you think for a while like you you think if you go to places like the Adirondack Mountains but well good segue. We're gonna have our men's retreat music and masculinity calm. If you want to sign up but you go there and you're gonna meet a lot of Canadians even French-speaking Canadians because they like to hike there as well.

And so I'm used to seeing Canadians and and you don't think a lot of it. You think oh they're similar. Right. They have maybe some differences. They pronounce things differently and some of them speak French.

But then you get a story like this and you're like now they're different they're different. That's not even those liberal state in the United States at least at this point would implement a policy like that.

It's just insane to me. I don't want to go to New York. John says cosmic treason. I don't blame you. I do not blame you. But it just all I ask is once a year. Right. You know Rush Limbaugh asked not much.

He said three hours a day. It's all he asked. That's it. Or was it Sean Hannity one of them used to say that which I thought that's kind of a commitment. Actually three hours a day he's like that's all we ask.

It's not much. Well all I ask is just one weekend out of the year one weekend out of the year and we don't have those restrictions so you actually can come and enjoy the outdoors. And yeah it's gonna be a great time.

Music and masculinity calm is the website. If you'd like to sign up have several people signing up just this week and we have a great slate of speakers. If you haven't heard some of these guys then you're in for a treat because they're all excellent speakers and they have great information to share.

We have Tim Bush on pastor Tim Bush on pastor Danny Steinmeier. We have Mark Steinmeier. You might see the resemblance there. He's actually the music minister at Danny Steinmeier church and then 80 Robles and myself as always and my own dad is gonna be there Scott Harris.

So it'll be good and we'll do whatever we do right. We'll do kayaking we'll do fishing we'll do hiking and all the great things. I mean some people play basketball. It's really probably one of the best if not the best Christian camp facility I've ever seen and that's why we've never stopped.

It wasn't my first choice. When we started doing the men's retreat I wanted to actually find a place that was a little more rustic and because this is like this is like a nice hotel I'll put it that way.

Not only do you have running water obviously but you I mean everything's heated everything's new everything's comfortable. Beachfront bungalows you can choose if you want to be alone you can be alone.

The food is stellar. I've never had better camp food so we just after that experience. It wasn't my first choice but it was the only place available last minute and I decided after that. Well we got to do this every year.

Camp of the woods it's worth it. It's where it's hard to get there for some people because you got to get into the mountains but once you get there it's totally worth it. And if you're someone who's coming with your son I would highly suggest taking a few days off and maybe just by yourself you and your son or if you're coming with a friend go off into the woods you know the way that Americans do not Canadians apparently and enjoy yourself beyond the conference because you want to take advantage of that time.

There's amazing things to do in the Adirondacks high peaks history there's water sports and just I don't know it's just a wonderful place so I look forward to seeing you there. Music and masculinity .com and I think there's contact info there too if you want to ask any questions.

But that's where you would sign up. Okay. Well let's Oh Cosmic Treason also mentions Tim Bushong is known for the metal version of a mighty fortress. For those who don't know which plays on Radio Free Geneva.

That's very true. If you listen to James White he does this Radio Free Geneva thing and Tim Bushong is the opening voice. He's also the one who composed the opening for the podcast. When I don't go live when I'm just posting a video I'll often tag on his little intro which I actually I came up with that actually a friend of mine kind of came up with it.

I added to it and I just had my guitar on my phone and then Tim Bushong sent me this great professional recording so I've used is since 2020 at least. And he also did my album. He produced it so driving down a mountain road.

If you haven't listened to that go check it out. So I feel like I'm plugging a lot of stuff here but all good stuff all good stuff. So we have a lot to talk about today though we're gonna talk about the PCA and the study committee on Christian nationalism a little bit.

I've tried to do some digging and the information I have is somewhat limited but I think it'll be helpful if you're in the PCA just give you some food for thought and what to expect. And then we're gonna talk a little bit about this.

Well for those who aren't on X you wouldn't know but there's been a dust-up we'll say about a tweet that protesty I put out there and some of the reactions are a little unbelievable to me. I will talk about it but it it brings up an issue that I actually do consider worth talking about which is the prospects especially for Gen Z men.

Gen Z Christian men. I will talk about women as well but especially for Gen Z Christian men what are the prospects for finding a spouse finding a wife. I think it's a challenge and it's more of a challenge now in some ways than it was when I was looking for that kind of thing over a decade ago.

So we'll talk about that a little bit and let's see what else we're gonna talk about Cracker Barrel. Cracker Barrel has decided to start doing a redesign to their Cracker Barrel country stores and let's just say a lot of people aren't happy about it and I can understand why and I think it does say something about us so we'll talk about that.

And oh I need to say these two things also if you want to check out a more consolidated take on Zionism Christian Zionism then Jodo American Reformer. And the first article right now is an article I wrote on Christian Zionism and it's it took me a little while to put it together and I tried to be very careful.

There's only one thing now that I'm thinking about it that I would like to change maybe someone can figure it out as they're reading. It's not. It's not really inaccurate it's more just the framing. It's such a minor thing though so I'm not gonna do anything about it but I I did spend some time on it and we don't do AI written articles here.

Right. We we put the blood sweat and tears into it and it's gonna reflect who the author is which is me and I. I know I did a two-hour podcast on the subject but this is for those who want to reflect and read and you can send this around and I think it'll be just very illuminating and helpful.

So that's out there. I also found out right before we started the show that Steve Days if you listen to the Steve Days show I'm actually looking forward to hearing what he has to say when I have a chance.

He did a whole podcast on one of my articles I think I was asking the person who told me which one it was. I don't know if they got back to me yet let me see. I think it's my red pills without roots article if I'm not mistaken let's see.

Yes it is that one. Okay so that's on American Reformer as well but the Steve Days show today the whole I guess whatever it is two hours was taken up with that particular article so I'm glad that's helpful to people out there and there's some follow-ups that I've thought about writing but you know that's kind of my Rosetta Stone.

That's how the how I think about for those who don't know like I did a whole show on it at the time but it's an article that I wrote. I think it was last. Maybe no it was earlier this year. It was earlier this year maybe the spring but I talked about kind of some of the more dissident zoomer right circles and why there's an appeal to go in very transgressive directions and my way of thinking through that and summarizing the strategy and evaluating it so you can go check that out red pills without roots at American Reformer but I'm looking forward to hearing what Steve says.

All right. Well that said let's see what's let's get to our first story. Then I'll take a comment maybe before we get into it looks like people are filtering in and someone says they're static. So just let me know if they're still static in the line.

I don't want people listening to static. I want people hearing a clear crisp voice so just give me some feedback if you're still hearing any kind of static scratchy audio. Someone said that was at the beginning but sounds good now.

Okay. Good good. All right. Hopefully that's still the case. Well let's start with. Do I really want to start here. Yeah let's do PCA stuff first. I can't believe I'm thinking PCA stuff might be less controversial.

That actually might be. So we're gonna start with PCA. So this is Daryl Hart. I think Daryl Hart is in the PCA if I'm not mistaken or he's in the OPC or the PCA. I sometimes get confused because there's some cross-pollination and I didn't know until recently they had a board or a committee that sort of I don't know how how you would put it.

They credential the ordinations or something like. I'm probably botching this but between these conservative Presbyterian denominations there is sort of this connecting mechanism that exists. I didn't even know that until very recently and a good friend in the PCA told me.

But I'm pretty sure Daryl Hart is PCA. I think. So no he's OPC. Someone's saying Hart is OPC. All right. Well see there you go. Hart is OPC. Nicholas says. All right. Two people say no PC. So wow. This was a great intro John.

Great intro to the PCA controversy by bringing up someone from the OPC. I think it's the same mentality though and I know he and what's the Presby cast. They've been going back and forth I guess. And they have critiques of Christian nationalism to say the least or what they perceive to be Christian nationalism.

And so one of the things Daryl Hart said and this is just on my ex he goes I've seen more about Christian civilization than about Christian Lords Day and so I just said let's make a deal we return to Christian civilization and we can serve the evening service and and I think he was probably saying more than just the evening service there.

But I I don't know that was the first place my head went is that's since I've been alive that's gone the way of the dodo bird and now we have morning services at most churches and that's about it. And what do people do with the rest of their day.

Right. I don't know that this is a good trend that we've used to be. It was more of a day of rest and to the point businesses were all shut down. So you didn't have the option of going out and go. I mean you could go for a Sunday drive.

You could go for a hike. You could unless you're in Canada you could go to do recreational activities. That are I suppose you could say non-strenuous. I mean that you might get a raised eyebrow and in colonial America in some places more than a raised eyebrow if you did too much and created a stir or commotion but you could have a leisurely Sunday and you could focus on being with the Saints and worshipping the Lord and sharing meals and hospitality was common on that day.

Generally families would get together on that day. And I think Darrell Hart remembers that time. And I empath or I sympathize with that. Right. I almost caught myself I almost said empathize. But I know I what's wrong with that.

I could say that I empathize. I empathize because I had the last gasping breath of that civilization was my childhood and so I get it. But why pit these two against each other. Because one one and the other they complement each other.

Right. I mean the Lord's Day is obviously important and for a number of reasons. But I think when you have a Christian civilization then you're going to have more of a recognition of the Lord's Day. So I don't get why.

I guess the the critique is that the Christian nationalist types are generally not pious. So he's been saying other things. I just decided to focus on this. So we kind of went back and forth. Where did we go back and forth.

Now I'm trying to find it okay. So he says that's you mean medieval Christendom. And he goes back and forth with this guy named Jacob Honeycutt who's a pretty good poster. Covenant cut is his handle. And then I finally said I think he's trying to say okay.

He says Ben Franklin was a great American and a decent man. I said I think he's trying to say that Ben wasn't an Orthodox believer. So where would he fit into the presumably Christianized society we want if only every non-believer saw the need for prayer and finance.

George Whitefield. I think he'd fit in just fine. And Daryl Hart says that is correct. And Jacob Honeycutt gets it keeps going all right. So Daryl Hart finally says apparently you have not considered what would have happened to Franklin if he had remained in Mathers Boston.

Or the differences between a Puritan and a Quaker society. Now I do get the sense that there's some how do I say this. Nice. There's a bit of an elitism there. He's looking down at Jacob Honeycutt and Jacob knows this.

I know this. Maybe Daryl knows more. It's possible but you know I've read I'll be in seed. I understand the differences between the societies. So I just said dr. Hart why is it that you your mind goes straight to the Puritans.

When I mentioned Christian civilization why can't it be a pan Protestant project with islands of toleration for religious minorities but with Christian defaults. I see every civil expression in our federal Republic as a reflected reflection of Christian civilization up until 1950 or so when a saturation of measures to force secularism changed our character.

He says because of the way American Reformer promotes Cotton Mather and the way the PCA uses John Witherspoon as if he's a Puritan. Much of the Christian nationalism is anti-modern. Presby's don't need to be.

I just say I've been critical of the Puritan society but as far as being anti-modern your literal handle is a really old life which is pretty funny. That is his handle. So why do I want to bring that up.

Just say this I actually think Daryl Hart's a good historian. I respect them to be honest with you I I think I have some of his books on my shelf and I've certainly benefited from some of his work. I just don't.

I don't get exactly where this is coming from and this is the situation I suppose it's also in the OPC. I was gonna make the case this is the PCA but he's not in the PCA. But this is the situation also in the PCA.

There's a bunch of guys and many of them a little more seasoned and I think probably very wise on many things. But they they don't care for the enthusiasm they see around quote-unquote Christian nationalism.

And I think a critique of quote-unquote Christian nationalism that critiques the Puritans and shows how that's out of step at least the Puritan society will say of Mather's Day is out of step with what America became.

I think that's actually pretty powerful because it is out of step and it had to change to adapt. And there's I mean go watch the 1607 project. Right. I I put many critiques of Puritanism in that particular documentary.

I just think you just got to be careful in my mind like just because someone's rediscovering some history and maybe maybe people are some people are too bullish about it. They get excited and they have a zeal with lack of knowledge.

That could be. But then you try to come beside them and you just write good articles that as long as they're not being too belligerent that will correct and do so in a gentle way. If you really think it's a threat then yeah you go whole hog and that's basically what he's doing.

He's going whole hog on this stuff. It's it's got to be rooted out. It's terrible. But the net is cast so broad. I mean what a Christianized society. How many steps. Let me ask you this how many steps would it take to get from where we are now to Mather's Puritan society.

Well a number of steps a number of stages. And as you pursue those stages you know banning blasphemy for example being a stage that we can't even really get to at this point. Right. But that would be a stage you'd have to pass through.

But as you pass through that stage you're entering what 1930s America you're you're not bringing back Puritan Massachusetts when you do that it might be a step in that direction for some. But some of these things and most of the things debated about are things that were universally shared among Americans.

There was a universal respect for Christianity. There was there was a willingness to ban things like pornography and obscenity and blasphemy and things that were corrupting society because they conflicted with Christian virtue.

That was everyone that was Quakers. That was. I mean everyone had mechanisms for preventing those kinds of things in and now those mechanisms are hardly present. Maybe you have public pressure in some areas and that's just about it.

With the internet connection it's you know everything's permissible it seems. So I just think it's a curious thing to just go from from like to get scared because there's people talking about Mather's Massachusetts and we're gonna start.

What are we gonna do. We're gonna start burning people for crimes that are ecclesiastical in nature or something. I don't think we're there guys. I just don't. I I don't know about you but I don't think we're quite there.

So that's kind of where the PCA is in my opinion is and I guess the OPC Darrell Hart is expressing a warning but it's it's just one that I don't at this point I don't see a reason to take it all that seriously.

I'm open to people telling me whether that is something to be taken seriously. I'm willing to listen but that's just my assessment and looking at these things. So in this context we have can anyone all right.

I'm gonna do this real quick. We're gonna get to the PCA study committee here. But cosmic treason asks anyone in chat who can summarize the critiques. John how to Puritans and Mather. Yeah cotton Mather not so like specifically Mather I think actually did some good things now there's kind of a mixed bag in my mind in general if you watch that documentary you'll understand more what my critiques are.

I think that what happened in Puritan society and I live on the cusp of it. By the way I live not far from the Connecticut border so I I don't know the contrast is just stark to me. It became a very navel-gazing type of society and there's a perfectionistic instinct and a a desire to go and kind of remake the world in this image they were on a divine mission right.

But that mission got scuttled fairly quickly and as the Puritans lost their orthodoxy they were replaced with people who were transcendentalists and Unitarians and all kinds of cults and that kind of thing.

But they kept that that rigid kind of I mean we even use the term puritanical. They kept that rigidness about everything and it led to I mean you could there are there is a book I have actually that makes the case that that you can trace modern liberals to that and I mean if you look at an electoral map that I suppose that makes sense.

So there was a disposition to go and kind of sweep everyone else's porch and not just focus on your own stuff but a critical spirit and and this could get it down into some very minute detail and not a healthy thing for society like giving way to ideology and that kind of thing.

So and there's so much more to say but I gotta kind of move on cuz that's not the topic of this podcast. So the PCA decides to do a study committee and the study committee is on Christian nationalism and ethno nationalism quote unquote which I think is one of the most redundant terms.

And in this committee you have the president. Is it the president. Is that what you call him. The leader. The moderator. Okay Kevin de Young of the PCA appointing some folks and what they're gonna do the way this can affect people.

Is they make a recommendation about Christian nationalism. And could that potentially be adopted into PCA doctrine. Yes but that's unlikely what what likely will happen is this will be the word from the leaders of the denomination that this is the direction of our denomination and then it could be a hang-up for people seeking ordination who are quote-unquote Christian nationalists or see themselves in that vein if it's critical of Christian nationalism so that becomes the question is this going to be critical.

Is this going to be fair. What is this going to be. So you have David Strain Drew Martin James Wood Paul McNulty Lance Kinzer Steve Dowling Jay Green Scott Swain and Alan Golzo. And I don't. I'm not familiar with a lot of these names so I can't actually and I tried to look it up.

I can't give you a lot of detail about some of them but immediately the ones I did know were all negative. So Paul McNulty immediately jumped out at me because I said that's the president of Grove City College who is shielding all the investigation into the CRT adjacent material that was being propagated there.

He denied it. I see him as a dishonest guy. I see him as a not the guy you want on this kind of a committee. You have Alan Golzo and I'm somewhat familiar with him. Alan Golzo is very critical of what he would term lost cause mythology but what that means is for him he is very bullish on the the proposition nation stuff so he would actually subscribe to a form of nationalism a Lincolnian nationalism but it's not based upon intrinsically shared tangible qualities.

It's based upon shared ideals in Union and freedom and equality. And I've been very critical again go watch the 1607 project which I produced. I've been very critical of that or you can read against the waves Christian order in a liberal age.

I have a chapter on this and I think he basically continues the Jaffa tradition. But in so doing his one of his favorite things to do is just bash bash the Confederacy. Bash Confederate heroes. Robert E Lee was a traitor.

You know any southern sympathy just seems to be in his mind it's compensating for something. It's lies. It's you know the Abbeville Institute has a lot of critiques of him so I wouldn't expect him to be very friendly towards the version versions of Christian nationalism that are sort of in vogue now I suppose like Stephen Wolfe's Christian nationalism because it's it rejects the proposition nation.

And then you you have some of these other guys so I looked into some of oh I should probably show you this first. I noticed also the praise for this so John fee. John fee is praising it looks like a strong committee he says now John fee very very pretty.

How do I say this about like there's a history that sort of goes back because John fee is a heavy critic of Liberty University. So when I was there I got to see sometimes John fee stuff. We had to read John fee books.

I've had to read John fee. He has a decent book on historiography Christian historiography. But he is also of that same variety of goals though it's it's proposition nation stuff. He's he's at least an honest historian about his book on Christian America.

But he he seems to in my mind just get unhinged when he starts talking about modern political stuff. He hates Trump right. He is very critical of the Christian right. In general he was defending Grove City College with Paul McNulty when all that stuff was happening all the exposure some of which I did.

And then you have Lincoln Duncan you know the guy who co-wrote woke church. He also thinks that this is a great impressive he says study committee those things don't give me very much hope. So I found some articles.

James R Wood is on the committee. I didn't know a lot about him. I read an article from him the other day that I thought was a little bit I don't want to judge the man just by this one article but it seemed like a little bit silly to me.

It was trying to make the case that like the church is. I don't want to botch it. I'll probably misrepresent it but like it was something along the lines of the church being a competitive ethnicity that once you become a Christian you become part of a real tangible community.

And it's an ethnicity and sort of like as I guess an alternative to natural ethnicities. But anyway in this particular article this is about Christian nationalism and he says a modest defense of a form of Christian nationalism.

So you may be tempted to think okay so he's. He's pro Christian nationalist. And if you go to the bottom he concludes he goes connecting one's love for in loyalty to the nation with it. With this commandment I guess he's talking about Exodus 20 is instructive in terms of the temptation to idolize the nation.

The Bible complements this command to honor one's parents with Christ teaching that in comparison with our ultimate loyalty to him we are to hate our parents. Christ made clear that he did not come to abolish the law.

He calls us to honor our parents. The point here is that the proper ordering of our loves and loyalties. Okay so I mean I guess I agree with that right. We were to put first things first things first.

So we avoid the idolatry of worshiping created things above the Creator. But to resist becoming idolaters does not mean we must become iconoclasts created realities conserve an analogous signpost. I don't really know what he's talking about.

Let me skip towards the end here properly. Ordering our loves does not mean loving God and hating everything else that is Manichean. Rather we are to love created realities in for and unto God. This applies to our respective nations.

I really don't know what his point is. Exactly like it's you read the whole article it just seems to me like he's trying to straddle a bit like he seems to think there are these bad forms and good forms of quote-unquote Christian nationalism.

And there's common understanding. So he defines two common understandings. One is Christian influence on politics which he seems to be okay with. And then the other one is and having an inflated view of a nation.

So if those are the two options and you're saying oh yeah like you could have Christian values. That's not really what the current Christian nationalism debate is over. The current Christian nationalism debate is more over whether or not a country or a nation should be self-consciously Christian whether that should be part of their identity.

That's really the main crux of it. So when it comes to that he seems to be against it. And then we have this guy Jay Green. Okay so Jay Green wrote an article about Christian nationalism as well and in that article let's just go to the summarization.

At the end he says he's talking about another article that he says demonstrates that Christian nationalism violates some of America's most fundamental and earning values the primacy it gives to very peculiar versions of Christianity undercuts America's long-standing commitment to liberty of conscience and freedom of expression.

In similar fashion putting the thumb on the scale for Christians and Christian principles begins to disintegrate our similarity similarly sorry important commitment to equality. So this sounds like the same thing it's more prop nation stuff in set in the second more substantial critique.

Another article that he's quoting here demonstrates the many ways that American Christian nationalism subverts corrupts and contradicts Christian value. So he's critical of it. So I that's all I know.

And so I ask you this based on that what kind of a verdict do you think the PCA will give. I don't know but this study committee looks to be critical of quote-unquote Christian nationalism and there's no one I recognize on it that they they could have pulled someone in like Zack Garris or Stephen Wolfe or I mean who else would be a good you know they could have brought time incline anyone from American reformer would have been good to bring in.

They don't have to even keep it PCA. But they didn't do that. I don't know why I don't have an answer for it other than the obvious speculation would be that this is already a stack deck and it may be it may very well be a stack deck I was hoping for.

I mean you need critics on a I suppose if you're gonna do a committee you do need some critics but you definitely need people who are advocates and supporters as long as it's not a heretical movement.

You'd think that would be the the wise thing to get a broad committee. But I'm kind of suspicious as to whether that's actually happening here. So little PCA news for you. I don't think the term Christian nationalism is being used that much anymore.

To be quite honest with you as I'm talking about this I'm realizing I haven't even used that term in a while. It seems like the term new Christian right is gained more steam. I don't even know if I want to use that anymore.

I didn't use it much but I did I mean I did a whole interview with with someone about this maybe I did two of them where we talked about the new Christian right. I'm like yeah I mean I guess I'm part of that but it these terms just the internet changes so fast and these terms get thrown around so quickly and I don't know that I'm willing to put my name behind much.