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walk in the woods is no longer allowed in Nova Scotia and it may not be for the rest of the summer. Effective 4 p .m.

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today we're telling Nova Scotians stay out of the woods. Nova Scotia's Premier announced today a ban on activities in the forest because of extreme dry conditions and the risk of wildfires.

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Hiking, camping, fishing and the use of vehicles in the woods are not permitted. Trail systems through woods are off limits.

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At these walking trails in the heart of Sydney some agreed with the move while others didn't. As long as you're not starting a fire or smoking you know that kind of thing you should be able to walk it there.

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It kind of sucks for the campers and anybody out tenting but it's probably necessary.

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At these wooded trails in Cockseath the entrance is blocked off. The people who run the trails say while they understand the province's move it's also unfortunate.

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So there's some expansions and upgrades that we had hoped to finish this summer that depending on how long this goes it will be will be slowed down.

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According to the province the penalty for violators will be the same as it is for the berm ban put in last week $25 ,000 though camping is allowed at registered campsites and some exceptions will be made for work in the woods.

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So they can get a permit to carry out their operations on Crown lands. They may need to operate at night which can take place.

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The premier says with nothing but more dry weather expected in the coming days the move is being made now to try and avoid a major wildfire like the one outside of Halifax two years ago.

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We've had briefings from Environment Canada about the near -term forecast and there is no significant rain in sight.

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As for how long this ban on being in the woods. Welcome to the conversations that matter podcast that was a bit of an abrupt end there but that's a crazy video and I figured

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I'd share it with you I saw it on X this morning my brother shared it actually and I didn't at first I was confused

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I'll put it that way because he said well you can't go in the woods in this region in Canada I thought go in the woods you can't

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I mean this sounds like COVID again right 2020 even during COVID though you could still go in the woods and so obviously then

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I watched it and sure enough this is something I'm dealing with right now in the state of New York because for the last four days five days we've had smoke and it's actually limited me

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I've wanted to take my bike out for a little ride because that's how I try to keep in shape and I can't

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I can't it's not really safe to go for a jog or to go on a bike ride I mean you could but you're gonna get particulate matter in your lungs and everything's hazy you can't see the mountains and it's because there's like go on a line if you're curious about this and go to a map of air quality your phone should have one if you have an iPhone you just go to the weather and click on the map and then you overlay it with the air quality and Canada is just burning up it's so bad and a lot of the places that it's burning the place actually where the fire is probably the worst because there's several fires is on the

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I guess middle point of Hudson Bay towards the towards the

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West well how many people live off of Hudson Bay on the western side of Hudson Bay I mean it's not that many so I don't think that banning people from walking in the woods

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I mean and what are you gonna do right unless you have a very extensive way of monitoring who goes in the woods then the people who want to burn down the forest are gonna do it anyway they don't

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I mean they can go on the edge of the woods if they want but if they wanted to really get deep in there who's gonna stop them who's gonna you know have cameras on all the trees

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I mean what kind of mechanism what kind of dystopian mechanism would you use to prevent this kind of thing it's hard you have to do what

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Canadians and well I suppose everyone in mountainous regions has well

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I don't even know if they need to be mountainous that's just where I've seen them but everyone in areas that have extensive forests you have a fire tower you have people that that's their job they watch they try to find now maybe they don't need that now because they have satellites and all the rest but yeah banning people in a residential area from walking in the woods

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I'm sure that'll that's really gonna stop your forest fires especially the ones out in areas where there's hardly any people and and all that does is prevent the people who actually do have good intent from going out and enjoying the woods and maybe that makes some of them more violent you ever thought of that maybe stir maybe that'll make them stir crazy like what we experienced in 2020 it's just unbelievable it's just unbelievable and it's so interesting to me that Canada is so close

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I can drive there from where I am sitting right now and be there and I don't know five hours maybe it's not that far and it obviously shares a very extensive border with the

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United States and you think for a while like you you think if you go to places like the

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Adirondack Mountains but well good segue where we're gonna have our men's retreat music and masculinity calm if you want to sign up but you go there and you're gonna meet a lot of Canadians even

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French -speaking Canadians because they like to hike there as well and so I'm used to seeing Canadians and and you don't think a lot of it you think oh they're they're similar right they have maybe some differences they pronounce things differently and some of them speak

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French but then you get a story like this and you're like now they're different they're different that's not even the most liberal state in the

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United States at least at this point would implement a policy like that it's just insane to me

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I don't want to go to New York John says cosmic trees and I don't blame you I do not blame you but just all

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I ask is once a year right you know Rush Limbaugh asked not much he said three hours a day it's all he asked that's it or was it

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Sean Hannity one of them used to say that which I thought that's kind of a commitment actually three hours a day he's like that's all we ask it's not much well all

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I ask is just one weekend out of the year one weekend out of the year and we don't have those restrictions so you actually can come and enjoy the outdoors and yeah it's gonna be a great time music and masculinity calm is the website if you'd like to sign up have several people signing up just this week and we have a great slate of speakers if you haven't heard some of these guys then you're in for a treat because they're all excellent speakers and they have great information to share we have

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Tim Bushong pastor Tim Bushong pastor Danny Steinmeier we have Mark Steinmeier you might see the resemblance there he's actually the music minister at Danny Steinmeier's Church and then 80

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Robles and myself as always and my own dad is going to be there Scott Harris so it'll be good and we'll do whatever we do right we'll do kayaking we'll do fishing we'll do hiking and all the great things

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I mean some people play basketball this it's really probably one of the best if not the best

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Christian camp facility I've ever seen and that's why we've never stopped it wasn't my first choice when we started doing the men's retreat

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I wanted to actually find a place that was a little more rustic and because this is like this is like a nice hotel

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I'll put it that way not only do you have running water obviously but you I mean everything's heated everything's new everything's comfortable beachfront bungalows you can choose if you want to be alone you can be alone the food is stellar

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I've never had better camp food so we just after that experience it wasn't my first choice but it was the only place available last minute and I decided after that well we got to do this every year camp of the woods it's worth it it's where it's hard to get there for some people because you got to get into the mountains but once you get there it's totally worth it and if you're someone who's coming with your son

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I would highly suggest taking a few days off and maybe just by yourself you and your son or if you're coming with a friend go off into the woods you know the way that Americans do not

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Canadians apparently and enjoy yourself beyond the conference because you want to take advantage of that time there's amazing things to do in the

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Adirondacks high peaks history there's water sports and just I don't know it's just a wonderful place so I look forward to seeing you there music and masculinity comm and I think there's contact info there too if you want to ask any questions but that's where you would sign up okay well let's oh

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Cosmic Treason also mentions a Tim Bushong is known for the metal version of a mighty fortress for those who don't know which plays on radio free

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Geneva that's very true if you listen to James White he does this radio free Geneva thing and Tim Bushong is the opening voice he's also the one who composed the opening for the podcast when

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I don't go live when I'm just posting a video I'll often tag on his little intro which

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I actually I came up with that actually a friend of mine kind of came up with it I added to it and I just had my guitar on my phone and then

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Tim Bushong sent me this great professional recording so I've used is since 2020 at least and he also did my album he produced it so driving down a mountain road if you haven't listened to that go check it out so I feel like I'm plugging a lot of stuff here but all good stuff all good stuff so we have a lot to talk about today though we're gonna talk about the

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PCA and the study committee on Christian nationalism a little bit I've tried to do some digging and the information

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I have is somewhat limited but I think it'll be helpful if you're in the PCA just give you some food for thought and what to expect and then we're gonna talk a little bit about this well for those who aren't on X you wouldn't know but there's been a dust -up we'll say about a tweet that protest you put out there and some of the reactions are a little unbelievable to me

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I will talk about it but it it brings up an issue that I actually do consider worth talking about which is the prospects especially for Gen Z men

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Gen Z Christian men I will talk about women as well but especially for Gen Z Christian men what are the prospects for finding a spouse finding a wife

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I think it's a challenge and it's more of a challenge now in some ways than it was when

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I was looking for that kind of thing over a decade ago so we'll talk about that a little bit and let's see what else we're gonna talk about Cracker Barrel Cracker Barrel has decided to start doing a redesign to their

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Cracker Barrel country stores and let's just say a lot of people aren't happy about it and I can understand why and I think it does say something about us so we'll talk about that and oh

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I need to say these two things also if you want to check out a more consolidated take on Zionism Christian Zionism then

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Joe to American Reformer and the first article right now is an article I wrote on Christian Zionism and it's it took me a little while to put it together and I tried to be very careful there's only one thing now that I'm thinking about it that I would like to change maybe someone can figure it out as they're reading it's not it's not really inaccurate it's more just the framing it's such a minor thing though so I'm not gonna do anything about it but I I did spend some time on it and we don't do

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AI written articles here right we we put the blood sweat and tears into it and it's gonna reflect who the author is which is me and I I know

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I did a two -hour podcast on this subject but this is for those who want to reflect and read and you can send this around and I think it'll be just very illuminating and helpful so that's out there

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I also found out right before we started the show that Steve Day so if you listen to the

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Steve Day Show I'm actually looking forward to hearing what he has to say when I have a chance he did a whole podcast on one of my articles

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I think I was asking the person who told me which one it was I don't know if they got back to me yet let me see

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I think it's my red pills without roots article if I'm not mistaken let's see yes it is that one okay so that's on American Reformer as well but the

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Steve Day Show today the whole I guess whatever it is two hours was taken up with that particular article so I'm glad that's helpful to people out there and there's some follow -ups that I've thought about writing but you know that's kind of my

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Rosetta Stone that's how the how I think about for those who don't know like I did a whole show on it at the time but it's an article that I wrote

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I think it was last maybe no it's earlier this year it was earlier this year maybe this spring but I talked about kind of some of the more dissident zoomer right circles and why there's an appeal to go in very transgressive directions and my way of thinking through that and summarizing the strategy and evaluating it so you can go check that out red pills without roots at American Reformer but I'm looking forward to hearing what

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Steve says all right well that said let's see let's let's get to our first story then

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I'll take a comment maybe before we get into it looks like people are filtering in and someone says they're static so just let me know if they're still static in the line

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I don't want people listening to static I want people hearing a clear crisp voice so just give me some feedback if you're still hearing any kind of static scratchy audio someone said that was at the beginning but sounds good now okay good good all right hopefully that's still the case well let's start with do

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I really want to start here yeah let's do PCA stuff first I can't believe I'm thinking PCA stuff might be less controversial that actually might be so we're gonna start with PCA so this is

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Daryl Hart I think Daryl Hart is in the PCA if I'm not mistaken or he's in the OPC or the

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PCA I sometimes get confused because there's some cross -pollination and I didn't know until recently they had a board or a committee that sort of I don't know how how you would put it they credential the ordinations or something like yeah

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I'm probably botching this but between these conservative Presbyterian denominations there is sort of this connecting mechanism that exists

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I didn't even know that until very recently and a good friend in the PCA told me but I'm pretty sure

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Daryl Hart is PCA I think so no he's OPC someone's saying Hart is OPC all right well see there you go

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Hart is OPC Nicholas says all right two people saying OPC so wow this was a great intro

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John great intro to the PCA controversy by bringing up someone from the OPC I think it's the same mentality though and I know he and what's the

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Presby cast they've been going back and forth I guess and they have critiques of Christian nationalism to say the least or what they perceive to be

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Christian nationalism and so one of the things Daryl Hart said and this is just on my ex he goes

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I've seen more about Christian civilization than about Christian Lords Day and so I just said let's make a deal we return to Christian civilization and we can serve the evening service and and I think he was probably saying more than just the evening service there but I I don't know that was the first place my head went is that's since I've been alive that's gone the way of the dodo bird and now we have morning services at most churches and that's about it and what do people do with the rest of their day right

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I don't know that this is a good trend that we've it used to be it was more of a day of rest and to the point businesses were all shut down so you didn't have the option of going out and go

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I mean you could go for a Sunday Drive you could go for a hike you could unless you're in Canada you could go to do recreational activities that are

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I suppose you could say non -strenuous I mean that you might get a raised eyebrow and in colonial

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America in some places more than a raised eyebrow if you did too much and created a stir or commotion but you could have a leisurely

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Sunday and you could focus on being with the Saints and worshiping the

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Lord and sharing meals and hospitality was common on that day generally families would get together on that day and I think

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Darrell Hart remembers that time and I empath or I sympathize with that right I was caught myself

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I almost said empathize but I know what's wrong with that I could say that I empathize I empathize because I had the last gasping breath of that civilization was my childhood and so I get it but why pit these two against each other because one one in the other they complement each other right

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I mean the Lord's Day is obviously important and for a number of reasons but I think when you have a

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Christian civilization then you're going to have more of a recognition of the

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Lord's Day so I don't get why I guess the the critique is that the

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Christian nationalist types are generally not pious so he's been saying other things

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I just decided to focus on this so we kind of went back and forth where did we go back and forth now I'm trying to find it okay so he says that's you mean medieval

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Christendom and he goes back and forth with this guy named Jacob Honeycutt who's a pretty good poster covenant cut is his handle and then

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I finally said I think he's trying to say okay he says Ben Franklin was a great American and a decent man

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I said I think he's trying to say that Ben wasn't an Orthodox believer so where would he fit into the presumably

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Christianized society we want if only every non -believer saw the need for prayer and finance George Whitefield I think he'd fit in just fine and Darryl Hart says that is correct and Jacob Honeycutt gets it keeps going all right so Darryl Hart finally says apparently you have not considered what would have happened to Franklin if he had remained in Mathers Boston or the differences between a

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Puritan and a Quaker society now I do get the sense that there's some how do

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I say this nice there's a bit of an elitism there he's looking down at Jacob Honeycutt and Jacob knows this

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I know this maybe Darryl knows more it's possible but you know I've read

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I'll be in seed I understand the differences between the societies so I just said dr. Hart why is it that you your mind goes straight to the

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Puritans when I mentioned Christian civilization why can't it be a pan Protestant project with islands of toleration for religious minorities but with Christian defaults

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I see every civil expression in our Federal Republic as a reflected reflection of Christian civilization up until 1950 or so when a saturation of measures to force secularism changed our character he says because of the way

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American Reformer promotes Cotton Mather and the way the PCA uses John Witherspoon as if he's a

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Puritan much of the Christian nationalism is anti -modern presby's don't need to be I just say

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I've been critical of the Puritan society but as far as being anti -modern your literal handle is a really old life which is pretty funny that is his handle so why do

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I want to bring that up just say this I actually think Darryl Hart's a good historian I respect them to be honest with you

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I I think I have some of his books on my shelf and I've certainly benefited from some of his work

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I just don't I don't get exactly where this is coming from and this is the situation

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I suppose it's also in the OPC I was gonna make the case this is the PCA but he's not in the PCA but this is the situation also in the

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PCA there's a bunch of guys and many of them a little more seasoned and I think probably very wise on many things but they they don't care for the enthusiasm they see around quote -unquote

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Christian nationalism and I think a critique of quote -unquote

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Christian nationalism that critiques the Puritans and shows how that's out of step at least the

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Puritan society will say of Mather's Day is out of step with what

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America became I think that's actually pretty powerful because it is out of step and it had to change to adapt and there's

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I mean go watch the 1607 project right I I put many critiques of Puritanism in that particular documentary

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I just think you just gotta be careful in my mind like just because someone's rediscovering some history and maybe maybe people are some people are too bullish about it they get excited and they have a zeal with lack of knowledge that could be but then you try to come beside them and you just write good articles that as long as they're not being too belligerent that will correct and do so in a gentle way if you really think it's a threat then yeah you go whole hog and that's basically what he's doing he's going whole hog on this stuff it's it's got to be rooted out it's terrible but the net is cast so broad

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I mean what a Christianized society how many steps let me ask you this how many steps would it take to get from where we are now to Mathers Puritan society well a number of steps a number of stages and as you pursue those stages you know banning blasphemy for example being a stage that we can't even really get to at this point right but that would be a stage you'd have to pass through but as you pass through that stage you're entering what 1930s

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America here you're not bringing back Puritan Massachusetts when you do that it might be a step in that direction for some but some of these things and most of the things debated about are things that were universally shared among Americans there was a universal respect for Christianity there was there was a willingness to ban things like pornography and obscenity and blasphemy and things that were corrupting society because they conflicted with Christian virtue that was everyone that was

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Quakers that was I mean everyone had mechanisms for preventing those kinds of things in and now those mechanisms are hardly present maybe you have public pressure in some areas and that's just about it with the internet connection it's you know everything's permissible it seems so I just think it's a curious thing to just go from from like to get scared because there's people talking about Mathers Massachusetts and we're gonna start what are we gonna do we're gonna start burning people for crimes that are ecclesiastical in nature or something

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I don't think we're there guys I just don't I I don't know about you but I don't think we're quite here so that's kind of where the

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PCA is in my opinion is and I guess the OPC Darrell Hart is expressing a warning but it's it's just one that I don't at this point

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I don't see a reason to take it all that seriously I'm open to people telling me whether that is something to be taken seriously

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I'm willing to listen but that's just my assessment and looking at these things so in this context we have can anyone all right

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I'm gonna do this real quick we're gonna get to the PCA study committee here but cosmic treason asks anyone in chat who can summarize the critiques

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John how to Puritans and Mather yeah cotton Mather not so like specifically

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Mather I I think actually Mather did some good things now there's kind of a mixed bag in my mind in general if you watch that documentary you'll understand more what my critiques are

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I think that what happened in Puritan society and I live on the cusp of it by the way I live not far from the

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Connecticut border so I I don't know the contrast is just stark to me it became a very navel -gazing type of society and there's a perfectionistic instinct and a a desire to go and kind of remake the world in this image they were on a divine mission right but that mission got scuttled fairly quickly and as the

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Puritans lost their orthodoxy they were replaced with people who were transcendentalists and Unitarians and all kinds of cults and that kind of thing but they kept that that rigid kind of I mean we even use the term puritanical they kept that rigidness about everything and it led to I mean you could there are there is a book

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I have actually that makes the case that that that you can trace modern liberals to that and I mean if you look at an electoral map that I suppose that makes sense so there was a disposition to go and kind of sweep everyone else's porch and not just focus on your own stuff but a critical spirit and and this could get it down into some very minute detail and not a healthy thing for society like giving way to ideology and that kind of thing so man there's so much more to say but I got to kind of move on because that's not the topic of this podcast so the

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PCA decides to do a study committee and the study committee is on Christian nationalism and ethno nationalism quote -unquote which

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I think is one of the most redundant terms and in this committee you have the president is it the president is that what you call him the leader the moderator okay

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Kevin de Young of the PCA appointing some folks and what they're gonna do the way this can affect people is they make a recommendation about Christian nationalism and could that potentially be adopted into PCA doctrine yes but that's unlikely what likely will happen is this will be the word from the leaders of the denomination that this is the direction of our denomination and then it could be a hang -up for people seeking ordination who are quote -unquote

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Christian nationalists or see themselves in that vein if it's critical of Christian nationalism so that becomes the question is this going to be critical is this going to be fair what is this going to be so you have

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David Strain Drew Martin James Wood Paul McNulty Lance Kinzer Steve Dowling Jay Green Scott Swain and Alan Golzo and I don't

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I'm not familiar with a lot of these names so I can't actually I try to look it up I can't give you a lot of detail about some of them but immediately the ones

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I did know were all negative so Paul McNulty immediately jumped out at me because I said that's the president of Grove City College who is shielding all the investigation into the

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CRT adjacent material that was being propagated there he denied it I see him as a dishonest guy

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I see him as a politician not the guy you want on this kind of a committee you have

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Alan Golzo and I'm somewhat familiar with him Alan Golzo is very critical of what he would term lost cause mythology but what that means is for him he is very bullish on the the proposition nation stuff so he would actually subscribe to a form of nationalism a

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Lincolnian nationalism but it's not based upon intrinsically shared tangible qualities it's based upon shared ideals in Union and freedom and equality and I've been very critical again go watch the 1607 project which

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I produced I've been very critical of that or you can read against the waves Christian order in a liberal age I have a chapter on this and I think he basically continues the

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Jaffa tradition but in so doing his one of his favorite things to do is just bash the

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Confederacy bash Confederate heroes Robert E Lee was a traitor you know any southern sympathy just seems to be in his mind it's compensating for something it's lies it's you know the

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Abbeville Institute has a lot of critiques of him so I wouldn't expect him to be very friendly towards the version or versions of Christian nationalism that are sort of in vogue now

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I suppose like Stephen Wolfe's Christian nationalism because it's it rejects the proposition nation and then you you have some of these other guys so I looked into some of oh so I should probably show you this first I noticed also the praise for this so John Fee John Fee is praising it looks like a strong committee he says now

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John Fee very very pretty how do

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I say this about like there's a history that sort of goes back because John Fee is a heavy critic of Liberty University so when

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I was there I got to see sometimes John Fee stuff we had to read John Fee books I've had to read

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John Fee he has a decent book on historiography Christian historiography but he is also of that same variety of goals though it's it's proposition nation stuff he's he's at least an honest historian about his book on Christian America but he he seems to in my mind just get unhinged when he starts talking about modern political stuff he hates

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Trump right he is very critical of the

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Christian right in general he was defending Grove City College with Paul McNulty when all that stuff was happening all the exposure some of which

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I did and then you have Lincoln Duncan you know the guy who co wrote woke church he also thinks that this is a great impressive he says study committee those things don't give me very much hope so I found some articles

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James R Wood is on the committee I didn't know a lot about him I read an article from him the other day that I thought was a little bit

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I don't want to judge the man just by this one article but it seemed like a little bit silly to me it was trying to make the case that like the church is

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I don't want to botch it I'll probably misrepresent it but like it was something along the lines of the church being a competitive ethnicity that once you become a

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Christian you become part of a real tangible community and it's an ethnicity and sort of like as I guess an alternative to natural ethnicities but anyway in this particular article this is about Christian nationalism and he says a modest defense of a form of Christian nationalism so you may be tempted to think okay so he's he's pro -christian nationalist and if you go to the bottom he concludes he goes connecting one's love for and loyalty to the nation with it with this commandment

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I guess he's talking about Exodus 20 is instructive in terms of the temptation to idolize the nation the

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Bible complements this command to honor one's parents with Christ teaching that in comparison with our ultimate loyalty to him we are to hate our parents

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Christ made clear that he did not come to abolish the law he calls us to honor our parents the point here is that the proper order of our loves and loyalties okay so I mean

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I guess I agree with that right we were to put first things first things first so we avoid the idolatry of worshiping created things above the

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Creator but to resist becoming idolaters does not mean we must become iconoclasts created realities conserved an analogous signposted

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I don't really know what he's talking about let me skip towards the end here properly ordering our loves does not mean loving

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God and hating everything else that is Manichean rather we are to love created realities in for and unto

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God this applies to our respective nations I really don't know what his point is exactly like it's you read the whole article it just seems to me like he's trying to straddle a bit like he seems to think there are these bad forms and good forms of quote -unquote

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Christian nationalism and there's common understanding so he defines two common understandings one is

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Christian influence on politics which he seems to be okay with and then the other one is and having an inflated view of a nation so if those are the two options and you're saying oh yeah like you could have

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Christian values that's not really what the current Christian nationalism debate is over the current Christian nationalism debate is more over whether or not a country or a nation should be self -consciously

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Christian whether that should be part of their identity that's really the main crux of it so when it comes to that he seems to be against it and then we have this guy

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Jay Green okay so Jay Green wrote an article about Christian nationalism as well and in that article let's just go to the summarization at the end he says he's talking about another article that he says demonstrates that Christian nationalism violates some of America's most fundamental enduring values the primacy it gives to very peculiar versions of Christianity undercuts

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America's long -standing commitment to liberty of conscience and freedom of expression in similar fashion putting the thumb on the scale for Christians and and Christian principles begins to disintegrate our similarity similarly sorry important commitment to equality so this sounds like the same thing it's more prop nation stuff in the second more substantial critique another article that he's quoting here demonstrates the many ways that American Christian nationalism subverts corrupts and contradicts

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Christian value so he's critical of it so that's all I know and so I ask you this based on that what kind of a verdict do you think the

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PCA will give I don't know but this study committee looks to be critical of quote -unquote

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Christian nationalism and there's no one I recognize on it that they they could have pulled someone in like Zack Garris or Stephen Wolfe or I mean who else would be a good you know they could have brought time incline anyone from American reformer would have been good to bring in they don't have to even keep it

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PCA but they didn't do that I don't know why I don't have an answer for it other than the obvious speculation would be that this is already a stack deck and it may be it may very well be a stack deck

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I was hoping for I mean you need critics on a I suppose if you're gonna do a committee you do need some critics but you definitely need people who are advocates and supporters as long as it's not a heretical movement you'd think that would be the the wise thing to get a broad committee but I'm kind of suspicious as to whether that's actually happening here so little

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PCA news for you I don't think the term Christian nationalism is being used that much anymore to be quite honest with you as I'm talking about this

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I'm realizing I haven't even used that term in a while it seems like the term new Christian right is gained more steam

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I don't even know if I want to use that anymore I didn't use it much but I did I mean I did a whole interview with with someone about this maybe

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I did two of them where we talked about the new Christian right and I'm like yeah I mean I guess I'm part of that but these terms just the internet changes so fast and these terms get thrown around so quickly and I don't know that I'm willing to put my name behind much that's any of these unstable elements

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I prefer saying I'm a Christian and I'm a conservative and if you want to know more

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I can explain it to you if you want to say paleo conservative or older conservative that's fine if you want to old older ideas that's that's pre -modern stuff especially it's what

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I like but Christian nationalism still in the crosshairs it seems like in the

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PCA all right let's talk about Cracker Barrel a little bit so there's this article that the

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Federalist put out and its title is Cracker Barrel is another regional hallmark that's fallen victim to monocultural carpetbaggers and I love the fact that carpetbaggers is still a term of derision in politics

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I mean this is a uniquely southern term from the war days post -war days of the people from the north who had come down and tried to take off take advantage of the opportunity that there was an impoverished people that would are desperate and they became victimizers and it's still a word for outside forces that come in politically and disrupt and take advantage of and so Hayden Daniel wrote this and he calls

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Cracker Barrel's remodeling soulless and one of the people and I think was Matt Borush he said in the signal group for the patreon's that this looked like the change that took place in First Baptist Church of Nightdale which

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I think actually kinda so here's so you can see let me see if I can I don't think

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I can make that bigger that's just a little video and it shows you that it's white in the interior and it's almost like a diner setup it's very bright there's still nostalgic things on the wall but they are much more organized and much just much more modern it's not like a bunch of old stuff strewn out with the warm tones

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I don't know if this is the only one he put another one that look like they even had booth seating like a diner but I can't find that so he says that the executives made this decision and they they're getting rid of the old timey charm and it's obviously an idealized version of yesteryears

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America but in a natural sincere way that was the old Cracker Barrel now by contrast the newest that it tries to pay lip service to the same sense of wise and wise and charm but ultimately comes off as a spiritually sterile manufactured and hollow every decorative item on the wall in the video above looks like it could have come from Chip and Joanna Gaines hearth and hand line at Target that's a good point yes it looks like the gains it looks like every other middle grade sit -down restaurant yeah this is sad to me because Cracker Barrel in my opinion is the one of the last kind of vestiges that you will run into if you if you go through public education in many places and you're consuming entertainment where else are you going to run into any sense of history of this country

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Cracker Barrel is one of the places that you actually could you could walk in there and there's a whole bunch of old stuff on the wall that were probably obtained by them during antique sales or something or estate sales they went in there and they got yolks that used to actually sit on top of oxen and guitars that people actually did play in rocking chairs throughout this country and pictures of families from the 1800s and farm tools that were actually used to produce the food that our grandparents ate

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I mean that's it's a connection to the past the music the atmosphere it all connects you

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Cracker Barrel didn't play modern music if it ever played new stuff it was stuff that sounded like it could have been old it was people that were continuing a tradition that was already in existence not creating something innovative the products that you would buy a

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Cracker Barrel would be nostalgic candies and sodas and old games that some of which you can't really get anywhere else or not played

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I think of those little triangle games on the tables right I mean for those who have not been to a

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Cracker Barrel that's your introduction to Cracker Barrel but I always loved it for that reason because I felt like I was stepping back into and I'll just be honest

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I I connected it to some of my older relatives in Mississippi who were farmers and most of them are most of them are in heaven at this point but when

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I would go down there as a kid for family reunions it was it's like walking into the one of their barns seeing all this these tools strewn out and the kind of decor that they had the kind of old pictures they had

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I mean that's what Cracker Barrel felt like to me and it was kind of cool that I could even go in a place in the north

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I could go into Pennsylvania or Massachusetts if there's a Cracker Barrel there and I can sort of set foot into that environment and so I appreciated it for that but yeah that's and the food you ate

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I forgot the food too right the food is like the cornbread and chicken fried steak and it's this stuff that our ancestors conquered this country it was that's what that was in there that's the kind of food that was in their bellies high that high calorie good southern fried food so anyway it's gone now in 40 stores so I'm hoping that Cracker Barrel reverses but here's the

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I guess the broad cultural commentary on this we saw we've seen so many other restaurants go through this kind of transformation this modernized sanitized thing where they they have to look

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I don't know more sterile is probably the right word for it it's it's just less character less human humanity more it looks like robots could have invented looks like AI I just invented it it's we are losing kind of already in so many sectors a sense of ourself and it's good to have reminders of that not just for modern print productions of a picture of something that used to be like a

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Sunoco sign but it's you could tell it was printed using all kinds of filters and stuff and it's a picture like we need actual like give me a piece of the sign give me something that's tangible and real that give me a real past right so I hope that Cracker Barrel received some negative feedback and that they reverse course because it's one of the last places that still had that sense of tradition

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T. James Boone says it's incredibly iconic or ironic sorry I'm still thinking about Cracker Barrel that just as a demand in is build building for a return and renewal to our heritage in American roots

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Cracker Barrel is killing itself by embracing modernity that will soon be rejected you know I I hope you're right about that I don't want to get too negative but I have wondered even with guys who are more on the new

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Christian right like did for example our older American symbols coming back you know

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Betsy Ross flag Gadsden flag pine tree flag even if you're in here in the south you know emblems that represents your

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Confederate heritage emblem I mean I don't care really what they are but our older American symbols coming back they're unique to this place or are the symbols of the new

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Christian right this isn't like I'm not meaning for this to be a black and white criticism

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I'm not saying any of what I'm about to say well some of it's wrong I'm not saying all of it's wrong but what symbols do you see more of if you log on to X for example and if that's your world okay

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I mean it's gonna be more like Jerusalem crosses it's gonna be iron crosses it's gonna be in some cases swastikas now it's stuff that it's all foreign basically and you know

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I do wonder about that I really thought the kickback against wokeness would probably be a restoration of American identity and heritage and that's kind of what

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I put my labors behind but I don't know anymore I don't know exactly I know there are some guys that are but I just encourage you if you're if you don't know what happened underneath your feet go read the signs read the books figure it out

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I think it'll be enriching and it'll draw you closer to the land that you live on and you'll want to preserve it more you'll be a better steward of it so all right there's my gentle critique there we have a comment from Javier who says in other restaurant news in and out is building a headquarters in Tennessee you know just in case you're trying to get me to Tennessee and I'm afraid it might be working that's

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I've joked about this I've said before the only if they had it in and out it would be so much more appealing well now the headquarters is moving there an iconic

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California chain may be leaving here's hoping their burgers are really good oh yeah it's the best there's no I have no question in my mind and like I go to five guys whenever I can you know

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I love the Culver's when I go out to Midwest I love my what do I get down south man trying to think cookout

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I guess I get cookout probably sometimes I've gone to like white castles and crystals before the little burgers are kind of good they're fun but I like I like my butter burger like and I'm feeling

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I'm forgetting something that's really good well anyway I don't care I don't get a lot of burger

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I'm sorry what a burger was a bit of a disappointment I'm not gonna lie it's not bad but I'm you know kind of like going to Burger King my mind with mustard extra mustard

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I just defended all the Texans I think in and out is the best sorry maybe I'm a California kid and that's

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I was born there and maybe it's just in my blood or something but that's what I think and if they could just keep moving east that would be great all right well we're gonna get to some truly controversial things in case

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I maybe this that might have been the most controversial element of the podcast getting into the burgers there as the

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Midwesterners Culver's is fantastic says striker it really is and they're root beer there for no you got to have vanilla and root beer oh there's this place in Connecticut I just remember they have the best root beer homemade root beer with vanilla in it it's called sycamore and it's outside of Danbury and they got pretty good burgers and it's the

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Dagwood you know theme so their prize burgers the Dagwood and then the blondie is there I think the one with like cheese on it their cheese burger and it's a car hop and that's pretty good

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I'm getting hungry okay we all right we got to move on we got to move on let's talk about this and this might be the closing thing we talked about because I want to have a broader conversation let me set this up we have a broader conversation here about Gen Z and Gen Z is

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I think in several pickles last time I talked about Gen Z I talked about how they have more debt credit card debt than any other generation which is crazy since they're just starting out and it there's some positive things to look at like right -wing men seem to be higher but that but I've questioned like what kind of right -wing what what are we looking at is it is it compatible with socialism is it socially conservative right -wing is it

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Christian values and it's it's pollings conflicted but it seems like and I've talked about this in previous episodes there is more of a softness on abortion there is more of a hardness though or a enthusiasm to stop immigration especially legal immigration so it's a bit of a mixed bag but I am a cautious optimist on this

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I see some good things but I also see some things that really kind of scare me not not in like I'm shaking in my boots but just you have a generation that has been raised on technology many of them coming from unstable backgrounds which is part of the reason they want to find a sure footing somewhere which is good but there's just a lot of damage to overcome there's the church has more than enough work cut out for themselves so you know get busy be in ministry because now is the time and there seems to be somewhat of an interest in religion

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I just don't know we don't know yet what this translates into Bible sales are up right now is it going to translate into more church attendance though and I mean this has been my thing for a while because I'm used to years ago hearing about revivals and so forth usually in charismatic circles and we had a revival we had this many people got saved this many people raised their hand whatever it is and my test was okay that's great praise

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God let's see what happens to that region if that region it's like voting patterns change and cultural values change and bars and strip clubs start losing money and right that's the thing that is going to indicate there has been a change in fruit and so I don't mean to be the skeptical quote -unquote

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Calvinist on this but I again cautious but optimistic that's kind of my thing and I feel that way about Gen Z too so they have a lot to deal with one of them is going to be the most fundamental human activity finding a wife for a male or if you're a woman finding a husband and raising family because if we don't have that we don't even have a civilization to continue it's it's the most important thing for a civilization to continue you kind of have to have babies right

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I just had this discussion with some of the other day and we were talking about like they were talking about IQ levels and so forth and and at different populations have different IQ averages and what this means and anyway one of the one of the things though I said

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I know go to like I just did a trip to Maine so drive through states like New Hampshire Vermont and Massachusetts and you will find if you take an

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IQ survey or something very high IQs right some of the highest and in fact if you go to like I was in where's a

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Montpelier I think there's trans flags everywhere I seen no kids

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I think the only kids I saw was it was an Asian couple Asian looking couple they had some kids I didn't see any other kids but I see tons tons of you know the descendants of Puritans the white people who live there and but they're not propagating themselves they're not having children and I don't know what good their

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IQ does them if that's if they're high IQ if they're smart they're doing about the dumbest thing possible if they want to keep their civilization going and that's that's kind of my view that's like you had one job like that's the first job you have get married have kids get married have kids if you if you want to see your civilization go keep going right and not everyone has this option available to them

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I understand I just in a chat and some young men shared that they are getting it up into their 30s and still haven't found anyone and that's something for us to pray for I know there's also young ladies in that circumstance who are getting older and so I don't mean to be insensitive to anyone but it's you know get yourself out there put in the work you who finds a wife finds a good thing so find look do puts it put in some effort obviously and I know some guys are and it's still been hard the conditions though are not very favorable right now and I'm gonna take you through some stats but here's the flashpoint here's the tweet that was heard around the world this morning maybe not around the world it's only got 2 .3

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K likes but in the in the Christian world in the Christian bubble world protestia protestia says this better to marry a form former

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OnlyFans model who has come to know the depths of her sin and the mercy of the

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Lord and an unkissed virgin with a haughty look and a proud heart I'll read it one more time better to marry a and OnlyFans a former

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OnlyFans sorry model who has come to know the depths of her sin and the mercy of the Lord than an unkissed virgin with a haughty look and a proud heart now this

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I was a little surprised to be quite honest with you after I already posted my support of this let's see here

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I said this should be a no -brainer for a Christian we believe in sanctification and then I quickly realized that people were not having it so I said people are falling failing to grasp past verse present tense and binary comparison verse ideal setting in other words there's a past tense someone who is used to be an

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OnlyFans model is being compared with someone who is presently prideful and haughty so that's a difference that needs to be taken into account one is previous sin one is present sin ongoing sin it doesn't tell you the degree in this hypothetical and again this

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I mean I probably wouldn't have tweeted this it's you know Twitter's hard because it's like sound bites right so it's better to probably and actually protest you did do what

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I'm about to say it's better to put out a longer more qualified statement on advice for dating courtship etc but this is what they put out and and I just thought it was the most uncharitable reads on this and I saw most of them after I posted my support for it and the second thing

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I said is you know the binary comparison verse ideal setting so meaning it's limited to this is a comparison between two things if you only were limited to two different things two choices and one is you're a guy who needs to get married and there is someone who is a former

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OnlyFans model who has come and I guess this was a confusion for some people I just I thought this was obvious and protest he later said actually in their thread they said this is obvious this is a

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Christian we're talking about but I thought some people didn't see that but you have an OnlyFans model who used to be an

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OnlyFan they're not that anymore such were some of you right and they have come to know Lord and they're

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Christian now and the only other option is an unkissed virgin but she's got a haughty look and a proud heart and so I kind of assumed basically it's one's a

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Christian with the past one's a non -christian who's in ongoing sin and it just seems obvious to me obviously we believe in sanctification now

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I'm also thinking for those who don't know I'm thinking about OnlyFans and I'm I I don't know exactly

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I've never been on the OnlyFans website I don't plan to go there so I don't know I really just don't even know exactly what happens my assumption is what

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I've read is girls are doing things in front of a camera and you can interact you can tell them to do things you want to see

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I'll leave it there and it doesn't necessarily mean they're having a intimate relationship on the screen they could be doing the kinds of things that you know

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I'm trying to say this in a sensitive way for kids that might be in the car they could be doing it in a way that's provocative but they're alone we'll put it that way so that's kind of my take and I and I don't know where this person obvious this is a hypothetical right so this could be someone who might not it might even be a technical virgin but has put stuff online that is terrible obviously

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Naylor Ray has become I think the biggest example the most popular or famous example of someone who was an

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OnlyFans model who made tons of money and then came to the Lord and she quit all of it and she's been platformed at places like Turning Point USA now that's probably not a prudent thing to immediately platform someone

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I think it's now been two years though and I from what I understand her message is basically just speaking out against her previous life a lot of people get very angry at this think she has no business being platformed anywhere

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I don't have a problem she's gonna give her testimony to be quite honest I think that could actually be a powerful thing but yeah she's not she really can't be a it's gonna take time before being anything more than that I suppose so anyway some of the reactions to this we're just kind of off the wall in my opinion and I want to share some of those and then just give you a few thoughts that I had so let's see let's just do this live since I have the website pulled up so some of the big let's see so I want to see the ones that have like a lot of a lot of responses and there's people

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I even you know respect and stuff that are responding so it's a little awkward but here's one okay this is like a this is such an odd thing to me right involuntarily celibate insults

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I did not hear the word insult till like two days ago I didn't even know what it was I guess it's someone who's involuntarily celibate why we have to have these categories for identity categories is beyond me just say

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I'm single like just say I don't understand like the it smacks of like the 400 genders thing right like it's just weird but that this account says this is definitely not the way she will never love you if she's been with many other guys let me ask you as a

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Christian is that true never there's no way someone who's been on only fans can ever love you if you marry her because she's been with other guys so she can never love you ever that that should be a point to Christians it really should like God can't sanctify that person that's a sin that the

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Holy Spirit can't overcome the Word of God can't penetrate that heart like what's the problem here and there's a little cartoon with it

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I understand there's a wisdom element to all this you may not want to it's not ideal necessarily right like I said before like you have to you know people are comparing the ideal to it like that's not ideal that's not natural or that's not the the template

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God laid down or something is of course not it's sin but here's the problem in Gen Z land in millennial and to especially once you start getting up into the 30s how many girls are left or guys for that matter how many guys are left that are even virgins right this is kind of a big deal if you want your civilization to continue

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I've seen a bunch of guys say I would just not get married I just wouldn't get married

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I wouldn't have kids I don't know if that's even a I don't even know if that's a possible path for us if we're gonna continue civilization

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I just don't know obviously we should raise up godly daughters and sons so we don't have this issue once people are getting into their 20s and they're broken by all these relationships sometimes it's in their teens but you have to deal with reality where we live the stats that I'll about to show you are kind of frightening when it comes to this you may you got to go where the

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Lord wills right and you know I I would hope that everyone is able to marry someone

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I hope that everyone has a situation like I've had not everyone's gonna have that and there are there are different situations that the

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Lord comes into and he brings his grace and what we'll look at some Bible verses that speak to this directly but that's that was one of the that is a very standard reaction to this let's see there was some quote tweets that we're getting a lot of traction see if we can see if you post engagements quote tweets okay let's see if we can find some that are that have a lot of views on them here's

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Crusader Pepe says the 2010 church designed to pander to Millennials has nothing to offer men now before even reading the rest of it this is protestia he's dunking on he's he's about to ratio protestia which like this protestia represent the 2010 church does it

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I mean protestia has been one of the most critical outlet of modern Christian innovation out there like it just it's a little funny to me but they expect you they

01:01:44

I guess protest you speaks for them now protest you speaking for JD Greer and all the rest they expect you to marry a former prostitute and likely be divorced cheated on and disrespected well it's not ideal it's no one wants that it's possible in certain circumstances you may be marrying someone who is not a virgin and because there's just not a lot of them by the time you get to a marriageable age unfortunately and you have people converting to Christianity and it's who's around you right but no one's like force no one wants this no one's forcing this

01:02:21

I don't certainly protest you isn't trying to normalize this there may be places that are but it's not it's not protest you they have women embrace feminism they have here protest is having women embrace feminism but biblically so they feel good this is the therapeutic gospel

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I mean I look at this I don't see any gospel to even bring this into a gospel category is kind of odd to me is it ethics thing the only thing the way a gospel the gospel relates to this would be that I can see is the gospel it does a transforming work in the heart of an individual so that they are now being sanctified and changed so that was one let's see let's see there's

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I could probably just go all day with some of these reactions to this

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I don't want to focus on ones that haven't gotten a lot of traction though I'd rather focus on the things let's see

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I guess yeah mine's up there now some of these guys are friends though and I don't

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I don't actually want to single anyone out I just I think it's being either misread

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I don't know what's going on maybe someone in the chat can explain to me why people are losing their mind over this this tweet okay we're gonna we're just gonna sort of leave it there

01:03:44

I suppose let me bring you some Bible verses some points I want to make and then some stats actually we'll do stats first I know we'll do stats last we'll verses first and and then

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I will get to some of your comments so some Bible verses that I think immediately in my mind applied one is from Luke Luke chapter 18 verses 9 through 14 says and he also told his parable to some people who trusted in themselves that they were righteous and viewed others with contempt two men went up into the temple to pray one a

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Pharisee and then the other tax collector the Pharisee stood and was praying this to himself God I thank you

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I'm not like the other people the swindlers unjust adulterers or even like this tax collector I fast twice a week

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I pay tithes all of all of that I get but the tax collector standing some distance away was even unwilling to lift his eyes to heaven but was beating his breast saying

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God be merciful to me the sinner I tell you this man went to his house justified rather than the other for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled but he who humbles himself will be exalted tell you what guys is the only hope

01:04:48

I have is in this verse that's the only hope I have it screams at me if I ever read a verse like this

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I cannot be like the Pharisee I just can't I'm I deserve

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I deserve punishment for my sin and the only hope I have is that God's mercy is enough and that if I cast myself on his mercy he'll catch me and I'm not even doing the casting that's the only hope the

01:05:14

Pharisee who prays to himself who has pride that's the chief sin here right that's being he says he has pride but his pride is manifested in saying

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I'm glad I'm not like these other people one of the categories is adulterer and there's a self -righteousness there and this is a constant critique that Jesus makes of the

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Pharisees no this does not mean at all that Jesus is saying that adultery is not sinful and none of these things are sinful of course they are or that they don't have natural consequences of course they do you marry someone who's in deep debt that's your debt you marry someone who's sexually deviant you're going to have emotional issues you need to work through and yeah it'll come into your marriage it's gonna be it's gonna be hard it's gonna be maybe a more uphill climb than it would have been you marry someone with you know name whatever sin you want drug abuse there's gonna be problems that you will likely bring into a marriage are you aware of those things that's a very important thing for marriage counseling sometimes it's not it's not worth it that's very possible sometimes it's just not something that you can handle if someone's in crushing debt and there's no possibility of getting out of it

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I mean that's something to take into account when you're going to marry someone if someone is so so damaged from previous sinful choices they might they might even need their time they may need time to get out of that hole get counseling or they may they may just it marriage may not be the thing that you and it may not be in your unique circumstance the thing no one's forcing this on you right if you're a single guy listening no no one is forcing you to go marry some former

01:07:06

OnlyFans person at all but it's the question is these are prudential questions to ask right the the principle is

01:07:17

God changes sinners that's the principle the the prudential aspect is the application of how does that fit in with a specific decision to marry a specific person and that's where the marriage counseling office is for that's where you go for those answers to those questions but absolutely

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God can change people right 1st Corinthians 6 10 through 11 nor threes nor the covetous nor drunkards or violers swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God such were some of you you were washed you were sanctified you were justified in the name of the

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Lord Jesus Christ in the spirit of our God so do we believe that do we believe that someone's actually washed like really they're washed they're sanctified when they come to Christ yeah they might need to learn a new pattern of life and live in it for a while but do we actually believe this or not are you a new creation or do you just are you still marked by these previous things

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Proverbs 8 13 says the fear of the Lord is to hate evil pride and arrogance in the evil way and a perverted mouth

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I hate I only bring that up to say you know I saw these things about how pride is a lesser sin or it's not as important when making a decision about marriage or it's more nebulous you can't actually verify whether someone has pride

01:08:34

I don't know why people are saying that it certainly is less cut and dry than you did a specific sexual act but pride certainly manifests itself and God does hate it and we are to mark people who are prideful it's in just about every vice list in the

01:08:55

New Testament I don't understand this like we can't really find it it's not air it's not as important or it's more easy to correct pride sometimes it's not actually sometimes it's not like like the idea that pride doesn't do irreparable damage but these things do it depends on the level of pride and pride is behind a lot of other sins so I don't get that one

01:09:17

I don't get that one but yes it could be that if someone has a bit of an arrogant streak which is maybe what people are assuming that that is not as egregious as having a rendezvous on camera will say so but but these are circumstantial things okay so those are some of the verses that I wanted to read now some of the stats that I wanted to share with you that show the conditions and I don't some of these we don't have an updated stats for this is from 2023 the end of 2023 but at that time 37 % of Gen Z survey respondents said they haven't had sex yet that's and so you look at the stats

01:09:59

Millennials it's only 11 % has never had sex so I don't know what the stats are now

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I would assume as time has gone on that number has probably gone down but that just means though that you are your options are limited right and it could be depending on where you are you you may not have available the ideal that you would you would like as a man or a woman to be honest with you

01:10:29

Gen Z sexting a lot more but are you surprised this is from 2019 so this is kind of an old study so I kind of take it with a grain of salt but this let's see according to a study

01:10:43

Generation Z is sexting like none other the research done by match found that nearly 40 % of 18 to 22 year olds have sent new pictures via text that's kind of bonkers to me that means they're like taking pictures themselves and sending it to other people of themselves naked

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I don't understand why it's that high I don't know what it would be now but that's kind of startling and then you have the collapse of marriage among Gen Z just over half of all

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Gen Z men and women will ever marry according to a new analysis of marriage data from the Office of National Stats present trends 58 % of Gen Z women and 56 % of Gen Z men will ever marry compared to 56 to 67 percent of Millennials so and I know

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I didn't pull it up but I know the marriage age for men is always older so it's it's kind if you're a man in particular like this is kind of a a stacked deck depending on the circumstance you're in and the more time goes by if you it if you're trying to find someone let's say who's not been tainted in your mind by these sexual things it's if you want to get married you want to have kids you want to continue the civilization and raise up children to the

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Lord I'm just saying I mean I've been around I mean a lot of church ministry and you may be limited to people that are that have a past of some kind the question you should be asking is it are they washed as the scripture says would they make a good husband or wife are they repentant about those things have they forsaken those things to what extent do those things still affect them right those are the questions that you ask and that's something for prudence so I think those are the main things that I wanted to share

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I think as a man you have to deal with what's in front of you and this is you can't be

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I think it's kind of effeminate to make the idealized world the enemy of the actual world that you live in you are set in a certain set of circumstances that God has put you in right we all were we have to make stew with the kinds of ingredients that were given and that doesn't mean we don't try hard to make sure that we're following the

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Lord and reflecting his law in every possible way we can and and finding someone who is going to let's say have a higher likelihood of sharing our values raising up godly children and hasn't been as gone in as deep in sinful activities as others

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I think that's actually important I think you should be looking for I mean I I think it's kind of terrible that especially

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Millennials as far as I remember there was sort of like a squeamishness sometimes about the innocent church girl because you know is she even going to want to be intimate that kind of thing and I'm a pretty big defender of the the church girl who might not be as socialized who's kind of innocent

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I actually think that can be a very beautiful thing and we should protect innocence so nothing against that I'm just saying though if you've been trying for years to find a wife and no one is meeting your standard and you've looked everywhere and you're really honest or trying you may want to examine that you have to deal with the world that you actually live in right so I hope no

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I'm just envisioning now someone's gonna like settle because of what they heard me say and then blame me for it or maybe they'll thank me for it who knows maybe like this was the hump you needed to get over was you were just afraid of making that decision because not everything was perfect well surprise you don't live in a perfect world right but I do think that's a manly characteristic as a man what are you gonna do about it so that you know the the environment isn't what you would prefer what are you gonna do about it how are you going to navigate it how are you gonna conquer as a man how are you gonna find who finds a wife finds a good thing how are you gonna keep looking what what tools are you gonna use and then

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I think the need for marriage is great so this also affects my reaction to this if the pool is that narrow and this is just what we're dealing with a lot of broken people both men and women and the need for marriage is so great not just for the continuance of civilization but also because it's a just a good ending of itself according to the

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Lord then many of us are going to have to work with people that have a past even if you yourself don't have one and I know many marriages like this and many that have been quite successful so that's my two cents on it and I'm willing to take any pushback

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I'm willing to consider things maybe I haven't but boy boy I mean I'm getting raked over the coals for just by some people for this which is kind of a little disheartening

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I suppose we'll start with should

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I even say your name see one of the things going into this discussion I noticed a lot of people were using very racy colorful language just throwing it out there so casually you know

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Christians even pastors throwing out very colorful language that I would reserve for I want

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I want some words I want social shame right there should be social shame for doing things like the evil things there should be a

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I'm not saying just laws I'm saying there should be a stigma around those things but then there should also be forgiveness and all the rest but I do think there needs to be a pressure not to do bad things

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I believe in that but I also think you you way overdo it when you take those words that are

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I don't even want to say them because you know my parents taught me to be respectful of my language so there are certain words to describe women who have been loose that you just you save for women who are egregious examples of it you don't just cast it you don't just like call everything that so that it loses its power that's all say about that I was a little surprised that some of that but anyway it's not really this guy it's not his

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Twitter handle it's just I don't know why you chose fart with dude but fart with is the name of the person anonymous account who's commenting people losing their mind should look at Jesus attitude when he didn't go and try to help the

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Pharisee and clean -cut rich people yeah I mean he chose to eat with them and obviously he didn't get married but he definitely people he chose as his disciples the people in his forgiven sinners that's the question really that's the main main thing cosmic treason says

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I've been kicked drag dragged he and swimming out of a mainly open viewpoint where I was open to women with a sexual past I am firm not because of pride but because of everything

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I have learned well that could be I do suspect that's a good point cosmic reason thank you for bringing that up I do suspect there are people that have very bad experiences and that is also going into this let me just say one thing it does not necessarily mean you will not have a bad experience just because someone doesn't have those things to not to make you too freaked out but I have seen many and I I'm telling you many kind of startling to be honest with you

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I was talking to was it Michael Foster I think it was about this not that long ago it is crazy to me the amount of church girls who will get married come from great it seems like on the outside the good homes and then in there halfway through the marriage or something they middle -aged woman they lose it and it's like and they go do you know what an

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OnlyFans person would do basically and it's like and the husbands are left with the kids trying to like this is going into like the reviling wife stuff and all that I don't know why that is

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I have friends that have gone through the ringer on this kind of thing and so you the place of safety is evaluating level of repentance there's sanctification walk with the

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Lord maturity what friends say get godly advice pastoral advice and counseling that all of that wisdom is needed in all of these things and yes

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I think ideally it would be great if you could marry someone in that doesn't have these other things these these past things they've been part of I'm sure the people who are part of that were

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Christians also wish that wasn't the case but you're not always safe even if you get someone who's a church girl who's

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I say church girl not as a pejorative by the way I actually think that's that's a good thing but someone who may be sheltered that I don't know

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I don't know what it is guys I don't know what it is all right sorry not to say and only fans creator has possibility of being a virgin then what yeah

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I mean it's it's possible they're still I mean the thing with that is you got to realize they put their body out there online which apparently 40 % of Gen Z's already been doing they've been putting their body out there so don't be surprised if a picture comes up of this person without their clothes on I think that stigma will actually go down in some ways as it becomes more common

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I people won't be destroyed by it because it's like well everyone has that anyway oh let's see striker says

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I think there are two explanations for those that oppose your viewpoint either they are bad actors or in John John's case just naive

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I don't know if he's saying I'm naive or I don't think

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John's naive he knows okay thanks thanks for defending von Breitach go -hard says it stinks being single at 31 but hopefully

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I can find a decent woman either around here in Indiana or at a singles mixture everyone right now pray for von

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Breitach go -hard his anonymous account that he would be able to find a wonderful woman and that they'd have a wonderful marriage

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Salome says the hung about marriage is it's a commit to the unknown that's a covenant includes sins committed after the wedding this is not that simple yeah it is complicated that's why a simple tweet like that isn't meant in my mind to be a like a broad statement about all the advice there is in choosing a mate or something like that it's not comprehensive all right let's see other comments this is our last subject so these are the last comments

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I'm getting to gum Gumby says I think the Catholic analogy to sin is good and is relevant here sin is like hammering a nail in the wall

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God always removes a nail but he doesn't always fill in the hole that's true you love scars at times you'll have scars but scar tissue does is a healing balm it is a healing but you carry some of those things with you that's true that's why

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I think every parent who goes through stuff doesn't want their kids to go through it Andrew asks at what point is a civilization beyond survival and salvation at some point when immorality goes on long enough judgment falls agreed

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I think we're on I don't think anything seems in my mind even if there's changing flavors

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I don't see any change with social morality which

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I think is one of the main barometers if not the main barometer it is if social morality goes down the tank if what people do sexually if what people do you know trying to think like what coarseness in just their their language and their their lack of love for others their arrogance their pride lovers of self if all of that stuff is just unchecked the vice list just keeps going yeah

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I think that you're done at a certain there is a point in no return are we at that point you know

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I certainly hope not so we keep fighting but we always fight right for whatever's coming next we're gonna fight for that too we just God put us here right so what option do we have fathers have two options cosmic treason says invest in young men to make them attractive to their daughters be passive and accept a larger age cap because only older men will be prepared for marriage that's already happening unfortunately and there it could be there

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I mean age gaps I think are becoming more common a little bit because of that I haven't seen a stat on that though so it's just me observing hi

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John I'm a baby boomer says Steve born in 1963 I had a life of addiction before I was apprehended by the

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Lord I love that apprehended God gave me a wife who never had addictions she is struck by me through a lot of rough time she's stuck by me praise

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God for that I'm sure you're very grateful for that and yeah

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I'm grateful for that too Steve let's see

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T James moon says marrying a proud and submissive church girl can cause you more grief than marrying a repentant and contrite former only fans and now

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Christian girl same tweet but with a more helpful emphasis yeah it's more of a wisdom prudence at least it emphasizes that's kind of how

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I always took it but that emphasizes the wisdom prudence end of this and Salome says thanks everyone for a great conversation and John for a good discussion well thank you thank you for participating everyone