The Post War Consensus then Gold from the Prophet Jeremiah

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You know a couple days ago. I saw a tweet, and I'm not sure if this is true or not. I'm not Not really sure it'd be wise to find out but there's a picture of a

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Crayola crayons box and there's a crayon standing upright and The top of it is burning

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And it says in case of emergency a crayon will burn for 30 minutes, so I'm sitting here going hmm

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Who tested that? You know it's made of wax so Yeah, I bet

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I'll bet you could Provide light in the darkness. Well. I tell you what if I'd have known that as a kid.

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Oh, yeah, I know I know I'm like All right now.

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We don't have any of them anymore. You know the grandkids The grandkids are beyond crayons except for of course now ransom and My my son -in -law and daughter are moving

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I tell you about that and They're moving. They're gonna be 80 miles from us

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You know they're a long ways right now. I I think they're only about 35 So we do that fairly regularly, but 80 is gonna be pretty tough and So my access to crayons is somewhat limited

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But uh yeah Well, you know It all may wasn't there some

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TV series about everything went dark all electronic stuff stopped working

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Some massive EMP or something I I don't know it was probably on one of those subscription services that I didn't have yet so I don't know but yeah, keep keep a box of Crayolas around and You might have something to do there anyway welcome to the program it's a

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Friday and Look I'll just be straight up front with you.

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I'm not sure what next week looks like the guy behind the glass over there that Is in control the buttons at least for the moment is going to be heading out of town for most of next week

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So we were thinking you know Monday Tuesday But I needed to make

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I really wanted 2025 to be a surgery less year No surgeries in 2025 that was sort of my goal

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I'll just tell you straight up something's happened with my left eye It's still in there, and I can still see pretty much fine but it's a little foggy and I've been told there's something going on with the retina in that I has been examined yet could turn out to be nothing

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Probably when you have flashy lights and stuff like that all of a sudden Might end up more than that.

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I am hoping and praying that this is not going to Get in the way of the trip we have coming up Where I leave somewhere around the 18th 19th 20th somewhere of February We have set up a stop in Well to two places in Arkansas Conway where the seminary is and I am currently scheduled to be in one of the classes

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And then do something sort of just for local students on a

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Monday night and a Tuesday night And then head straight over to Jonesboro Where we are working on setting up two debates one would be a two -on -two debate won't be a one -on -one debate

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That's not cemented in stone yet, so I haven't said too much about it, but it would be the last

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Last day of February first day of March that weekend. I really want to do all that But I Don't know how fast they can set up eye

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Surgeries, and I don't know how fast you can recover Depending on what they do. I don't know my wife had the whole lens replacement thing of a

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Bobby years ago and And Man, she recovered fast or she's sort of a bionic woman anyways

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You know her pain tolerance is so far above men. It's So who knows who knows so I'm just I don't want to see that trip messed up If if it is then what we'll have to do is

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Combine that with the I think it's April 4th Debate in Livingston, Louisiana Which I understood got a fair amount of snow

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Pensacola too anyway like I said Somebody needs to ask for all their money back from Al Gore All book royalties everything come on man.

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Yeah, you told us 20 years ago that our kids would not know what snow looked like and and they know what what it looks like anyway,

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I Could see doing that because I could go pretty much straight down from Arkansas and and pick that up and try to Make a loop if that's what

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I have to do, but I I hope we don't have to do it that way But if we do we do first appreciate it.

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We will see on Monday Man just getting an appointment with a doctor these days.

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I Tried it by the way, just just a little hint for those of you who are getting older.

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Okay? from those of us who are already into that period Try to be as nice as you possibly can be

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To the person on the other end of the phone They'll bend over backwards for you if you treat them nicely

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So I had a Lady called the lady was gonna call me back. You know what they do now is

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They'll send you a text and it'll tell you who's gonna call you within the next five minutes Which is

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I think it's it's not a bad idea You know It sort of makes you make sure you're set sitting down the place where you can talk to him

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So yeah, well a young lady named destiny Was supposed to call me the problem is

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That let me see this here here here here it goes. Oh, that's not it

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There it is Destiny is spelled

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D -e -s -t -e -n -i -e and I looked at that and so when she called

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I said is this destiny? Yes, this is So how many times per day do you have to spell your first name?

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and she started laughing and I said you have never found a Name tag in a gift store that had your name on it.

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Have you? Nope, not once. I Said what was your mama thinking and she just she's just laughing and you know, and I tell you something, you know

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Sure, you'll end up talking to people were having a really really bad day and they they don't care But for most folks you get them

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You you talk to them like a human being and and we all have our stuff to deal with and You know, they'll they'll they'll bend over backwards to get stuff done for you they really will and so what ended up happening is

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After a lot of time on the phone over the past two days, I have a Doctor's appointment 845 on Monday morning

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So that obviously is going to determine what can happen next week as far as the program is concerned.

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I mean, I Can't imagine Anything happening that fast as far as you know, but but I've had at least two of the people

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I've called Had suggested I go to the ER I'm like nope Been there done that got the t -shirt

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It's it's bad enough to have something going on with your eye. I don't need the 47 diseases

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I will be exposed to in the waiting room at the ER on top of all that No, don't don't want any any of that at all.

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So anyway, so we'll see I There's a there's a very small part of me a very childish part of me

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They would love to do a dividing line with an eyepatch on Arrrr matey

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And you thought pirate Christian radio and stuff that I'm the real thing

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Yeah, I don't want it that could be you remember we're talking about the dystopian dividing line we could really pull that off Yeah, I'm dirtied up.

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Yeah, I could do the Mad Max thing or what was the other one? Yeah, there have been a few

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Eyepatch dystopian stuff. Yeah. Yeah, you know that next week we're preparing to fly and Deal with TSA, right?

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Yeah. Well, we have to okay. Here's the thing. Yeah, you you don't get to borrow the RV. Sorry something

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Yeah, really? Something new in the equation as The wife now goes through the metal detectors

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Yeah So that whole situation folks remember from back in September she fell wound up with an artificial shoulder and Now we have but is it like carbon fiber or is it we don't know everything we're being told is you have to tell them up front at TSA that you have an artificial shoulder and Then they have to make special arrangements and and wand you

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So fun times, huh? Oh, no. No, not not at all. Not in the least bit

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No, you know back in the Lance Armstrong days of cycling. Um, I Don't know how many times he broke his collarbone every cyclist.

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I don't know You know, I've only crashed once and I thankfully did not break my collarbone but professional cyclists break them right left and center

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It's just ridiculous. Um Bunch of people got upset because Lance Armstrong broke his collarbone and they put in a carbon fiber

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Replacement and everybody's like that's weight advantage He's that's like two grams weight advantage right there, you know

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Yeah, I'm not really sure that's gonna make that much of a difference. But yeah, you know, maybe Carbon fiber is pretty special stuff.

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I've flown an entire aircraft that were made of carbon fiber Which makes you doesn't make you think about it, but anyways, so next week we will see

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What goes on there? Um so this morning I got up and I I Did post this

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I posted something on on Twitter and I Found out some things about myself this morning

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And I found out that I am a part of the PWC crowd

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So the the tweet from this gentleman Says the piece

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PWC crowd Wilson White Barry et al Has been imploding at warp speed

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Likely because they're losing so badly and getting desperate. They were relevant for a second for a second

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Because of kovat but now their moment has slipped away So I Be honest with you, you know stuff like this

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This is projection. This is it's actually going the other direction people are really starting to catch on to stuff, but I I was like the

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PWC crowd and Now I know what they're talking about but someone wisely said

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When I responded to this Dr. White you will always be part of the person with cats crowd.

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I'm afraid may as well accept it and so I am part of the person with cats crowd and Happily so so I don't mind being a part of that but I don't

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I don't I've been to Doug Wilson's home I didn't see a cat I could be wrong

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There may have been a dog, I'm not sure And I and I don't know Barry the mr.

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Barry very well. So I don't I don't know if that fits together. But Yeah and and then when

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I I said I Specifically wrote here's what

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I said. I Said I have learned that I am a part of the PWC crowd This is news to me given the majority of folks using the acronym could not possibly

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Consistently define if they tried and as it is used by Roman Catholics like Reno Need to mention this are our

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Reno Wrote the return of the strong gods, which you know

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He's been interviewed by all sorts of evangelical outlets and and stuff like that and says a lot of true things

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He has a whole chapter on post -war consensus and that's not how these guys are using it.

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They think they are but they're not and But I Forgot to grab the book.

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I don't think I left it in here. Now. I put it in the Roman Catholic section I finally made the connection a while ago, and I don't know if I mentioned this in the program.

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I don't think I did About two years ago didn't have three years ago.

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I Did bring in here because I have it a book Gavel the name

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I guess I could look it up fast enough, but I brought in a book and I said hey, here's here's where People are coming from these days and No, I don't want to switch counts

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Our our Reno Reno Yeah return the strong gods,

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I think that's probably it's 2021 book that's probably one of his bigger ones I'm Resurrecting the idea of a

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Christian society 2016 but this was the one that I did talk about it was only about two and a half years ago

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Maybe only two years ago. I Pointed I held it up the end of interpretation reclaiming the priority of ecclesial exegesis

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This is an attack on the sufficiency of Scripture he became a Roman Catholic convert

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Roman Catholicism and so this book came out in 2022 same guy and I haven't heard anybody

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Mentioning that you know, I think most people say well, you know, it doesn't really matter. You know, you can you can have good

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Good analysis of cultural stuff as a Roman Catholic and Well, yeah on certain things, but again

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If you're talking about the strong gods, how do you interpret that see when you interpret?

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What Reno is talking about in regards to nationalism family? Patriarchy anything else like that?

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how you interpret that is going to be very very determinative as to whether you have a lens of natural law or a lens of scriptural supremacy it's gonna be gonna make a real difference down the road and I Listened to some interviews that people did with him.

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Nobody nobody brought any of that up because I think most people are afraid To raise issues regarding Roman Catholicism, I really do

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I think that's That's one of the problems. But yeah the end of interpretation.

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I remember holding it up and talking about what said just a couple years ago and it took me a while to make the connection between you know, the the two books return of the strong gods and That particular work so anyway

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That's what I was referring to when I said And as it is used by Roman Catholics like Reno refers to globalist leftism

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Anti -national perspectives, etc Anybody thinking anyone thinking I'm a part of that crowd is not doing well on the mental or honesty front in fact the way

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I put it later was Something along lines of anyone thinking along those lines says

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Is tweeting too late at night after too many beers because it just doesn't make any sense

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But someone did respond to that Here it is guys guy gal,

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I don't know called song of songs Provide a graphic and this is interesting

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It says that this is this is the definition of the post -war consensus after World War two All right white people bad

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White people bad. Well, you know what? I'm on that one Of course I also believe that brown people are bad and black people are bad and yellow people bad and green people are bad and turquoise people are bad and because I believe

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Romans 3 There is none good. No, not one. So yeah, white people are bad and brown people are bad

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But I have a feeling in this context. It's supposed to be white people are bad, but everybody else is good which would be absurd and So if I'm in this group

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Named James white and I believe that white people are bad as in over against non white people.

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That's Yeah, don't exactly check that box. Do I know? National sovereignty bad.

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Nope God creates nations and God creates borders and God God's the sovereign all those things and I've defended the goodness of national sovereignty and The fact that God will judge nations and all that stuff.

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So yeah, no Check that box off Jews holy and never to be criticized

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Again Nope I Don't believe any of that stuff.

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I'm not a dispensationalist. I don't believe that the modern nation -state of Israel is a fulfillment of Any kind of biblical prophecy or anything like that at all?

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So, yeah, don't don't go there true Christianity stupid and dangerous this is

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This is what the post -war consensus is that that true Christianity is stupid and dangerous.

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Well again all you know, I Might be able to find some purple haired white eyed

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White skinned liberal women that would check off all these boxes, but not me

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I Obviously don't believe true Christianity is stupid and dangerous. Of course. I'm wondering who's defining true

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Christianity here, too Foreign policy and war making must sync with supporting

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Israel and American Jews bank accounts see neocons. Oh Yeah, that's a me

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Right Currency never to be in control of the wealth creators parentheses whites parentheses closed

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Not even sure what's being referred to but has nothing to do with me And finally anything that goes against the post -war consensus is

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Hitler and I heard somebody say that I heard somebody Basically define the post -war consensus as Summary was

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Hitler bad Which which of course is silly but If that's what post -war consensus is

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Who came up with this anyways, that's not what Reno's saying no serious scholars don't do stuff like this but Anons on on Twitter do do that kind of stuff fairly regularly.

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So yeah, that's not what the post -war consensus is That's certainly not have doesn't have anything to do with me. So Yeah I'm not sure how that puts me and Doug and Mr.

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Barry in the same same group but it obviously obviously doesn't

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And it is sort of funny now, by the way, the tweet that I was looking at was in response to Andrew Torba Who likewise

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Responded to that saying it must be difficult to see your entire worldview dismantled and falling apart before your eyes on a daily basis

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You know, I'm I'm not sure what Andrew Torba thinks

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My worldview is he's he's criticized me I've criticized him I'm not sure what he thinks my worldview is or how it is a falling apart.

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It seems like these guys who are social media mavens

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They're not concerned about the coherence and cogency of their argumentation they're concerned about getting to use

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Buzzwords that keep their Anon army in a constant state of jazzedness, you know

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Keep them excited So you you know something's Worldview is being dismantled and falling apart

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Really? In what way specifically and that's been my experience every time

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I challenge these guys Every time I take the time. Okay. All right. Yeah, this guy maybe has 505

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Followers, so I'll go ahead and challenge them and When I ask for specifics when

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I ask for worldview reasoning when I ask for anything like that, they just fall apart and They either run for the hills disappear

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Or you just get this Emotional type of response what?

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Well, yeah ad hominem personal attacks. I'm not gonna ever deal with what you're actually saying And that just seems to be

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What's going on with with these folks and I you you cannot put together a long -term movement based on this foundation, that's why

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I said I I hope that the day will come When those who have gotten sucked into this stuff will recognize wow,

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I took the wrong turn someplace and We'll come back and We'll go

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I've seen where I took the wrong turn. We won't do that again and sorry for all the nastiness that was launched your direction, but That's that's how things went

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Now I also saw a tweet by the same individual How many memes today are pictures of Donald Trump signing

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Some executive order or holding it up and then you just you take the text out you put the text in you want and you know

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I've seen somebody even put Orthodox icons So he's holding up, you know the two -page thing of an

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X and they put in Orthodox icons, you know winning winning Yeah So on January 21st

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Trump signs executive order America will be celebrating white boy summer for the next four years.

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Can't stop won't stop again white boy summer

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Nazi adjacent Nazi supporting Nazi promoting Stuff and it is

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I mean there's this this there is no question There is zero question here when you have videos that have the founder of the

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Nazi Party in the United States One of Hitler's defenders in the UK you didn't just stumble across those people and accidentally put them in.

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Okay this is purposeful this is intentional and Since everybody now knows that then anybody supporting that stuff and talking about white boys

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Oh, you know who you're dealing with, you know where they're coming from, you know what their intentions are Just just wake up and realize it

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Um So a Couple days that I think two days ago uh,

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I Saw a graphic Another meme and it was from this

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Seems like a kid seems like he's about 14 15 years old Evangelical dark web.

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Okay, real nasty guy real real nasty childish Super -duper immature needs needs a good spanking is what he needs.

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Um, That's my mom you say Yeah, and all of us are going Yeah You wait till your father gets home

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Grab grab by the ear. Yeah the whole area. Yeah, and so you've all seen this

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Thing where you got this little kid and the road branches two different directions And so the question is which way reformed man, so It may have been

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Stephen Wolfe himself who made it. Maybe somebody else made it for him I don't know, but there was one a few months ago that had me and Stephen Wolfe and I was on one side the other which way reformed man

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There's there's a germ of truth to these things because we are going very different directions We are not on the same road.

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We're not on the same path. I'm not proving the same things The the end result is very very different and I'll just remind everyone once again

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Give it a year At the rate it's going it may not take a year. Okay It's it's happening fast faster than I expected it to I've said between now and April you're gonna see all this development

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Because with that conference coming up Stephen Wolfe speaking the people there are

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Gonna really be struggling to maintain any kind of independence from Wolfean Christian nationalism if they're gonna be speaking at the same thing with him and so you're gonna see and we are seeing

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Positions that used to be held by these men being abandoned to take the

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Stephen Wolfe perspective Things in regards to theonomy and presuppositional ism supremacy of Scripture sufficiency of Scripture all these types of things and You just see it happening.

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I mean if look if you're you cannot be a Thomas Aquinas fan and a consistent notice the word consistent

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Consistent defender of scriptural sufficiency because he didn't believe in that Now he did not and I wrote two articles on this no one's ever bothered to even try to respond to them

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He did not Aquinas did not have the modern perspective of Rome on this and by the way, we need to be talking

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I need to make sure that I talk about Francis's tweet that he put out day for us what?

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Well, it's sort of weird. Yeah, we'll talk about in a second. Um Aquinas wasn't as bad as modern

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Rome is because the Reformation had not yet taken place Explain that when you have

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Outbreaking of light and truth as you had in the Reformation You either submit to that truth or you become more

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Dogged in your denial the truth and hence probably move farther into the realm of untruth and error and so Aquinas isn't dealing with the

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Reformers. He doesn't have Brilliant well -framed

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Argumentation like you have from Calvin for example, and so he's not going to be as radical just as he doesn't promote the bodily assumption of Mary as a dogma and Rejects the at least currently defined form of the

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Immaculate Conception doesn't mean he's not compromised on Marian dogmas because he is most most definitely obviously but he's not as nearly as radical as Modern Roman Catholicism or shall

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I say Tridentine Council Trent Roman Catholicism So Once you you know

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Move into that realm you're gonna be in that realm of Thomas Aquinas is my homeboy you're you're gonna be

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Challenged I think to be consistent in your hermeneutics in your in your apologetics that's why

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You know the whole RC Sproul thing has always been so strange and why he wrote the book on classical apologetics with Gerstner and Lindsley that Lindsay that was

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I just thought really bad Because it was In in how it approached those type of topics.

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It's this is how it happens. So anyways, there's the graphic for the Christ is King how to defeat trash world conference and then the graphic for ReformCon and They've been put up there which way reform men and I commented

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I said, you know if this was to be accurate Um What you'd have is the path would be going straight and Then straight to ReformCon and then it would branch off to one side to the other because you look at not all because I mean

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Calvin Robinson's on there Stephen Wolfe's on there but A large majority of everybody else that is on that graphic Would have been with us only a matter of a few years ago

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I mean a Joe boot and I have both spoken at Conferences with Joel Webben within the past two years and so this has happened fairly quickly and If you look at where we all are we haven't changed our perspectives

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We don't sit around talking about the post -war consensus We obviously are not

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Driven by a commitment there to or anything even slightly relevant to that and anybody who says otherwise is just simply not functioning on an honest intellectual basis just being dishonest or Demonstrating an ignorance on a level.

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That's pretty hard to fathom so we haven't changed and I would say looking at everyone speaking at the

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ReformCon coming up in April If you asked us the key

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Questions concerning Christian worldview apologetics

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Basis upon which God judges nations national sins. It must be repented of All that stuff

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We would have given the same answer back then that will give a ReformCon. We haven't changed but it is beyond question that many of the people in the other graphic have and Will not give the answer they would have given only two years ago or at most four or five years so The the graphic should have been straight road keeps going other branches off over here if if there that was the intention of The dark evangelical web or evangelical dark web or whatever the guy's name is the kid that does all the stuff.

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Um If it was their intention to provide something that was insightful or Something like that, but it wasn't it was meant to do other things and But again,

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I just point this out. It is it is the reality it is the way that things things are so anyway

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One last thing I I don't know if you saw that I tweeted this but Man, I wish we had a governor

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It would be we don't really have a governor in the state of Arizona and that's that's a bad thing We're stuck with the woman who stole the election in 2020 till 2026

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But she just Again, she she's in the same boat There Arizona is in the same

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Situation that the United States has been in for the past four years. You never see her out doing anything. She she never did a debate

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She can't do a debate. She's a complete ditz She really is just just I mean, wow, there's total empty suit.

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So I don't know who's running the state thankfully We have a Republican legislature and So there's only so much she can do.

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I mean she's doing damage, but there's only so much she can do We can't get anything done in the state right now and So and you go well, why would

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Arizona have problems this well easy Arizona State University University of Arizona and a yeah

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We have three universities and where you have universities you have cultural stupidity

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You just they're big blue dots and The how did rush used calm heads minds full of mush or brains full

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Skulls full of mush of that get to vote and they vote the way they're told to vote

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They're just zombies just like go do this. The professor says and so they go do it and the professor is happy, um

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So that's yeah, that's why we have what we what we have In the state of Arizona, which used to man when

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I moved here. I Remember moved here in 1974. Okay, and in 1974 you could you could see somebody walking down the street, even though their

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Phoenix is so spread out that walking down the streets of rather strange way of putting but walking into a store

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With a 45 not if not a auto semi -auto, but the a long

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Colt 45 The old cowboy gun and a cowboy hat on and nobody gave a second thought.

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It's like No, no, no, but we did we came from Arizona from a little

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Pennsylvania And so I was a little bit weird at first but for Arizonans No problem.

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We have been invaded by so many Californians that Everything absolutely everything has changed and it's

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Had been a very very very well Who ran for president in 1964

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Barry Goldwater? And where is he from senator from Arizona? that was oh

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From Prescott. Oh, you see folks. You don't get to see what I get to see through the window the pride the

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Goldwater family Started their business in late 1800s in Prescott, Arizona Barry Goldwater is from Prescott, Arizona.

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That's why Karen rich rich rich. That's why Carrie Lake and Those who had that seat

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John and John McCain started their campaigns each time at the Prescott courthouse because Barry Goldwater always started his campaigns at that courthouse and His presidential start campaign was started out front of that courthouse so there

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Well, first of all, I would point out that the pride Where are you from rich Prescott, Arizona from Prescott, Arizona?

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Okay home of the world's oldest rodeo, by the way. Oh, thank you Thank you. And and rich how many of those campaigns that started there were actually successful Barry Goldwater's well

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Barry Goldwater failed spectacularly in his presidential camp on the presidential But he always won his

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Senate camp. Well, yeah. Yeah. Okay the local thing and Carrie Lake very well But a bad candidate you gotta

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Face it face that right? Yeah, what can I say about this? Okay. Yeah, and and you know,

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I'm sorry about John McCain It's well, there you go. Yeah But he was McCain was actually from the 4th district.

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So even though yeah That there's a rhino of massive proportions.

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Yes, anyway How did we get on all that I have no earth idea

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I was just gonna say I wish we had a real governor because she her controllers her puppet masters came out

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Today and and said there's could be no deportations in Arizona and all the rest of stuff and I'm just sort of like yeah

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You keep doing that. You're gonna make sure we got we end up with a Republican in 20 But all I got to say is good luck with that lady because Tom Holman's made it clear

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Yeah, we'll put you in jail and we'll prosecute you So go ahead. Try it.

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Yeah, we we will see how we will see how long How much how much steam does this movement have

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I I I Don't know. I Said on Monday.

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I said by Friday the the courts will be choking with lawsuits To to push back and it's it's happening.

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Yeah, but you did you hear the number that they shipped out of the country? Yeah, I know the big military jet yesterday, yeah 500 yeah,

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I know I know I know I'm not I'm not I'm not complaining I'm just saying

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I don't know how long it's going to last because it requires backbone on The part of his party and I'm not sure how much backbone there really is.

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I'll just I'll just be I Don't know.

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I don't know It just seems to me for every single politician, it's all a matter of Will I get reelected or not?

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And if I feel like this is gonna hurt my reelection chances, I'm I'm out of here So that's my that's my concern anyway,

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I was thinking about There are

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There are so many really awesome Texts of scripture obviously scriptures a whole

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I I did. Oh, by the way I got a message from from Jeffrey Rice and he says

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I can definitely fix that I put a bunch of Bible butter on the leather

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It looked really nice for about 10 minutes Look, come on this poor thing.

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That leather has not been moisturized in 75 years

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Okay I'm not 75 yet But I know what

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I would look like if I hadn't been moisturized in 75 years. So Yeah, I'm I'm seriously contemplating seeing if how much how closely he could match the cover and Put a put a different cover on and match the little

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Edwin R. White thing. Hey as long as that inscription is Still in the front. That's all that's all that matters.

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It really is. I mean that was written five Four years after the end of World War two.

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Is that a post -war consensus? It's Not that I'd be doing a lot of reading out of it it is my goodness

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Though I'll be honest with you the first time I read through the Bible It was probably the same font

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And I did as a new Schofield reverence that didn't exist when this when this came out this is this is an old

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Schofield and that's what my my dad was raised on and I still don't love that Bible there.

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So Anyways, there's just so much in here. I wanted to remind everybody

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Shifting gears big -time here want to remind everybody of One of the one the text again and I discovered this while Writing a book

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You know just sort of in passing I'd never heard anybody preach on it I'd never heard anybody who was dealing with Mormonism, for example

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Make reference to this But it's always struck me

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In the Prophet Jeremiah normally when you're talking about Mormonism, you're talking about Isaiah Isaiah 40 to 48 stuff like that But in Jeremiah chapter 10

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Beginning verse 6 There is none like you. Oh Yahweh You are great and great is your name in might

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Who would not fear you? Oh king of the nations indeed. It is your due For among all the wise men of the nations and in all their kingdoms.

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There is none like you But they are altogether senseless and foolish. They are in a discipline of vanities.

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It is mere wood Beaten silver is brought from Tarshish and gold from Ufaz The work of a craftsman and of the hands of a goldsmith blue and purple are their clothing.

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They are all the work of wise Craftsmen, so here's here's a description of idolatry gold silver

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Purple robes on idols They are the the work of wise craftsmen

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But then Jeremiah says but Yahweh is the true God Yahweh is the

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Now I I should stop for just a moment and give you some extra information here.

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I suppose I could do that and do this this this and That that that there we go, so here's

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Yahweh Elohim Emmeth so Yahweh Which rendered is

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Jehovah Elohim Emmeth Emmeth is true.

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Yahweh is the true God Now I was standing outside the

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Mormon Temple in Mesa Month and a half ago or so and I Was looking toward the temple itself.

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I'm not sure if they took that building down or they repurposed it because you know

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Yeah, I don't think you've been out there. The visitor's center is now Remember the stage used to be there was a road right behind it.

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It's now on that corner That's where the visitor's center is. It's not on it's not in front of the temple anymore back in the olden days

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I Was asked to leave the visitor's center Because I started talking with some of the older People there.

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They weren't the young missionaries. They were the older folks who do volunteer missionary work for the church

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And I started asking them about who Elohim and Jehovah are and at first they were quite interested

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Until I pointed out to them passages like Deuteronomy 435 to you. It was shown that you might know that Yahweh Jehovah he is

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Elohim. There is none other besides him and That's when they asked me to leave So I was thinking about that.

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I was thinking about that experience back then and how many places in Scripture 535 times

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Yahweh Elohim is a compound name So you'll see that as Lord God, but capital

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L or D and in the LSB it'll be Yahweh God instead of Lord God and so Here you have up here

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So you have Yahweh Elohim Emeth who Elohim Chaim Chaim so you've probably seen it.

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I've never it's interesting. I've never had anyone Well, I don't know maybe they did send something to you and you just didn't bother to pass it on to me but I sometimes wear a

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Chai and It's well You can sort of see it over there on the right it's really small but a right -hand side adjective masculine plural abstract living and Right next to the letter 2 is

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Chai, so it's a Chet and a Yod and it means life life living and So I have two or three

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Chais. I Think I bought my first one when I was Well into studying

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Hebrew in seminary as I recall and so it's it's a Jewish thing They'll wear it life, you know, like I am like I am to life, you know

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You've seen that particular movie or I'm sorry

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Oh, oh, yes. Yeah, go ahead Well, these are my scriptures so they can stick it in their ear and not worry about so So here you have

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Yahweh Elohim Emeth Yahweh is the true God who Elohim Chaim the

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Living God Malik Olam and the Everlasting Malik King everlasting

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So you here you have these? two or three word descriptors of God and In Mormonism beginning in the beginning of the 20th century so in the early 1900s the first presidency of the

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LDS Church defined in opposition honestly

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They may have not have known this but in opposition honestly to Joseph Smith they defined that the father is

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Elohim and The son is Jehovah Proving that they didn't read

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Hebrew even then and hadn't learned Because anybody who reads Hebrew is gonna go why how do you how you do that you can't because Yahweh is the true

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Elohim and Any person who sits in the endowment ceremonies the

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LDS Church and those temples like the one out on Main Street and Mason Are going to watch as Two separate and distinct physical beings are identified as Elohim and Jehovah and One Elohim sends

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Jehovah down to organize the earth and Yet the scripture says the exact opposite of that And this is one of those places

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Jeremiah 10 10, but Yahweh is true God he's living God in the everlasting King at his wrath the earthquakes and nations cannot endure his indignation his not there

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But his indignation his wrath the living

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God everlasting King Yahweh Elohim but then here's here's the the thing verse 11 and Notice and I appreciate this there's a little footnote

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In the LSB, you can see it up at the right -hand corner. This verse is in Aram Aramaic And so what's really interesting is verse 11

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Thus you shall say to them the gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens and Then it goes back in verse 12 to Hebrew So it is he who made the earth by his power who established world by his wisdom

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By his understanding he has stretched out the heavens when he gives forth his voice There is a tumult of waters in the heavens and he causes the clouds to ascend the earth so on so forth

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So back to the discussion of Yahweh as creator of all things

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So why would you have? one verse just Out of nowhere

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Pops up and it's in Aramaic. There's only a few chapters in Aramaic in the

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Bible Mainly in Daniel and It's a it's obviously a related

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Semitic language to Hebrew But why would this verse

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Everything before it's in Hebrew everything after it's in Hebrew Well, notice what it says thus you shall say to them

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So here God is giving to his people The very words in the language of the people who have enslaved them

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Aramaic Here's a here's what you need. Here's how you need to testify not

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Within the covenant community not within the Jews who have been taken captive as punishment from God But he's giving them the very

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Apologetic words that they are to say to those around them

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The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heavens now notice

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Shemayim is Heavens in Hebrew, but you'll see a slight difference here

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Aramaic closely related roots are going to be pretty much the same But there will be some minor differences outside of them

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The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth and from under the heaven If your

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God's not the Creator your God's not the true God and the gods of the

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Of the people's the Canaanites the gods of the Babylonians Did not make the heavens and the earth they came forth out of the heavens and the earth there some of the mythology you know, you'd have a

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God that would be killed and then their body would be divided and they became the heavens and the earth and and all the gods of the people's derived their origin stories from creation itself and so in rather blunt form

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God says to his people here is what you say to those who are inviting you to worship false gods

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The gods that did not make the heavens and the earth Will perish from the earth and from under the heavens.

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It was obviously considered to be extremely offensive to the pagan people around Israel when

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Israel said our God made everything Our God made the heavens and the earth

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That was very very This is not how you win friends and influence people because by making that claim you are

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Fundamentally saying your gods don't exist. Your gods have no power Your worship is irrelevant

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It's interesting There's all this stuff you see now online About Mary and Mary and intercession and all the rest of this stuff and when some of us go

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Mary's never heard your prayers She can't answer prayers. She can't hear prayers. Oh You are being so unkind and so mean and so this that and the other thing

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You know when it when it comes to the true object of worship this isn't

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This isn't something the Bible plays around with And I think in the not -too -distant future we're going to be doing some basic 101 reminders of Such things as the distinction held in Roman Catholicism and Orthodoxy between veneration and worship

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Demonstrates the people who came up with it did not know both biblical languages Oh sure, they knew

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Greek but they didn't know Hebrew and They did not understand that the distinction they make is not found in the original language especially in second commandment and commandments like it and So when you say

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You can call that veneration all you want God's gonna call it worship and he's gonna hold you accountable for it.

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Oh That's terrible God gave his people the words of truth to speak in the language of the people.

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They were to speak it to That's what he gives them right here in Jeremiah 10 11

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And I would just say in passing to many Christians today you are embarrassed

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By a God who's the creator I Know who you are The gods that make the heavens and the earth will perish from the earth of run to the heavens if you've got a deistic

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Yahweh If you've got a Yahweh who didn't actually create the heavens and the earth and everything in them

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But just sort of started the process and then went on vacation to Tahiti or something like that That's not the

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God of the Bible and And you're there are a lot of Christians who are simply embarrassed by the fact the

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Bible plainly identifies God as creator and as the only God Yahweh is the true

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God in opposition to false gods. We are given the apologetic response that we are to give and It goes off in there to say it is he who made the earth by his power who established the world by his wisdom and By his understanding he has stretched out the heavens.

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So let me just close our time by once again mentioning What's going on in certain circles?

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Where within the reformed camp whatever that means anymore you have people saying look the sufficiency of Scripture is to be limited to providing soteriological information

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How do you get saved? That's it. And I look at the

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Scriptures and it's like well, then why are we told? that God made the earth by his power and Established the world by his wisdom and by his understanding.

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He stretched out the heavens How is that relevant to simple soteriology?

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You see Rome has been saying for a long time since Vatican II The sufficiency of Scripture is to be limited to that and I just realized

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I'm very very sorry Eat the deep to deep to deep It's here someplace there it is

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I need to read this it won't take me very long

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Here it is. Pope Francis didn't need to mention this but it does fit in rather.

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Well what Oh Um Everybody was going this is

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January 21st. Everybody's going. Hey, Pope Francis is teaching solo scriptura

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Okay, here's what he said in the midst of the confusion and vanity of human words

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We need the Word of God Scripture is the only true compass for our journey and it alone is capable of leading us back to the true meaning of life amid so much woundedness and confusion, okay the chances of The chances that being the actual words of Francis are

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About equal to the chances of all of Joe Biden's tweets having been from Joe Biden Okay, none of them were now when

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Trump tweets, yeah, that's probably Trump, okay He doesn't just have a

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I'm sure he has some young interns that are always throwing things to him or whatever but yeah

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Trump actually does his own tweeting Biden didn't and I really doubt Francis is doing much tweeting.

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All right but That also means if it's in English What language to the

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You know actually put it in initially who translated it, you know, you got to get all this stuff and as I responded to a lot of people who made reference to this

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You've got to put this in the context of modern Roman Catholic theology. It's still strange

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It's still I'm not gonna say it's not a positive thing but You have to Interpret it within a broader spectrum

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Yes, we need the Word of God and would he believe that we are dependent upon Rome for the

01:02:05

Word of God Liberation theology, he's a liberation theologian

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Does not feel any need to continue holding to Old ramp they they are not burdened by what has been

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So they're not burdened by what is it and so Yeah, you know he could go off on his own someplace

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I suppose but scripture is the only true compass for our journey Well, that's true

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The historic Roman Catholic perspective has been historic since Trent Has been to subsume the written scripture under the broader topic of sacred tradition and So it would be it's it is a little bit out of Character to say that scripture is the only true compass for our journey

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Because you have an infallible church and infallible magisterium and an infallible apostolic tradition as well

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And I'm not sure exactly What he means or they mean depending on who wrote this and It alone is capable of leading us back to the true meaning of life amid so much woundedness and confusion

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Well, it's a it's a short tweet

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There's no expansion. There's no explanation. There's no doesn't answer all the questions. We'd like to have answered

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It is quite true that scripture alone is capable of leading us back to the true meaning of life But at the same time even

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Protestants and he wouldn't say this either aren't gonna be saying scripture Solo scriptura without the spirit

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We believe in solo scriptura but we would never leave the spirit out of that and he probably wouldn't either but then

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Does is that where you kick the door open to allow the spirit working through the magisterium in the church on?

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The basis of apostolic tradition see that those are all questions that this tweets not intended to answer and Isn't trying to answer.

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I mean, I want to go Yeah, keep going But you know, here's a guy that's just plainly not even limited by the

01:04:42

Past expressions of his own tradition So it's hard to read too much into this and it's hard to necessarily understand what's the woundedness?

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What's the confusion? What's the source? What's the topic area? Etc, etc, etc. So I said

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I was going to mention that And I'm like hey, I Can applaud the elements of truth that are in the tweet?

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but I also know you know, I've read Vatican 2 and There's always a way there's always a backdoor way and We don't know

01:05:22

Exactly what he meant by this and how to make application of it stuff like that. So it's a little bit hard to say

01:05:30

He's got eighteen point four million followers. Well, there you go That's that's a lot of a lot of followers so the the point being that real quickly

01:05:42

Rome since Vatican 2 has said scripture is sufficient to teach us the way of salvation but Rome's Scholars and theologians have been very clear in saying in limiting that area of sufficiency

01:06:04

Historically to make room for the authority of the church depends on where Francis is. I don't know So, I'm not sure how exactly how much we can read into that and so what's strange is to be encountering people within the reformed community

01:06:19

That are going well, yeah, you know scripture is only sufficient in a you know a certain area I mean, it's all sorts of stuff outside of that That's why we need to have natural theology and natural law and all the rest of this kind of stuff which they will define in various different ways and I just point us back to What Jeremiah said by his

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By his own wisdom and understanding he spread out the heavens He's the creator of all things and that means if we are going to know

01:06:52

If we're going to know his creation a right we need to know it through his revelation of his purposes and intentions and And the reason

01:07:03

I think that the reason I thank God for Cornelius Van Till and Greg Bonson and John Frame and and all the others who have helped to Clarify and sharpen is that we are now dealing with a society that is secular and that's why we need a

01:07:25

Biblical apologetics that does not shrink back From saying there's one creator

01:07:31

God and He gets to define what his creation means. We don't get to sit there and create the lenses through which to look at his creation

01:07:38

His word tells us what the intention of his creation is. I think that's extremely important.

01:07:45

All right, so We'll see about next week We'll put an announcement out on the app or something on Twitter if you know

01:07:57

If I go to the doctor Monday morning and he goes, ah, we gotta take care of this immediately Okay, well

01:08:06

We'll see. I would like to be able to continue to have My eyesight's gotten so much better over the past number of years.

01:08:14

That's one nice thing about getting older is I was wearing prescription lenses and then as my eyes have aged

01:08:24

My my distance vision has gotten a lot better and you know, hey

01:08:31

These work Yes, you just buy 20 pair of them and just leave them everywhere

01:08:37

That's you know, you don't put them in just one spot because you're that's never Spot you put it that's never where you need a man, right?

01:08:44

It's such a boomer. I Am I am such a boomer and and you know, you know

01:08:51

What's fun about that? Is that all these young kids? they're gonna get there themselves and I'm just hoping you're gonna feel so guilty

01:09:01

You're gonna feel so guilty because they're gonna be doing the same thing to you Because it it comes after you no matter what you do.

01:09:09

All right Anyways, so we'll let you know if I'm if I'm here Monday or something Then the doctor said yeah, we'll

01:09:17

No big deal we can get to it later or whatever else, you know, we'll find out one way or the other so Press appreciated

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Lord willing. We will see you next week. Otherwise, we'll communicate with you one way or the other We'll see you later.