Conversations with a Conspiracy Theorist: Greg Moore, Keith Foskey, & John Burroughs DMW#197

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Yeah, here we go. Exploring theology, doctrine, and all of the fascinating subjects in between, broadcasting from an undisclosed location,

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Dead Men Walking starts now. Well hello everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead Men Walking podcast.

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I'm your host Greg. I'm here in studio with John. I'm also with the infamous Keith Foskey. I was gonna say your

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Calvinist, but did we do a name change on the podcast there Keith? What's going on with that? Well the podcast is

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Conversations with a Calvinist, but I'm going to be transitioning to simply the

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Your Calvinist podcast because I've been signing off the podcast for three years. I'm Keith Foskey and I'm Your Calvinist and so to simplify the name and sort of bring everything under one banner, because on Twitter I'm Your Calvinist and sometimes people don't connect

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Conversations with a Calvinist with that, so now it's just going to be the Your Calvinist podcast with Keith Foskey.

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That hasn't happened yet. 30 seconds into the show and we're already announcing breaking news, the rebranding of Keith Foskey.

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Awesome, but yeah guys thanks for checking us out at dmwpodcast .com, Dead Men Walking podcast everywhere on social except for Twitter, which is real

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DMW podcast. X won't give me the right handle, but John's in studio.

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John, you might have heard his voice down at some of the Fight Laugh Feast stuff. He was on for the

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Bible Draw and he's been hanging out and wanted to have him in here. You were on the show before, right

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John? Yeah, about a year ago. I said that like I didn't remember, like right, I remember.

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Your name is John, right? Correct. I've known John a long time though, but so we had to have

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Keith on, we had to have John on because we did a program like I said about a year ago with John and we talked a little bit about conspiracy theories, right?

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And it was crazy popular. You know I get these guys on here to talk about this intricate theological stuff and you know you get the

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James Whites and the Doug Wilsons and the Chris Lawsons and the Sam Storms and all these guys and then you talk about Bigfoot and your numbers go through the room and that's what the people want.

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So that's what they're gonna get and we're aptly naming this Conversations with a Conspiracy Theorist in homage to our buddy

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Keith Foskey. So we're stealing that and I think what we want to do is we just want to roll around some, good lord it's too early, conspiracy theories.

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Way too early for conspiracy theories. I know, right? It's like hey you guys want to talk about conspiracies? Let's meet at 10 a .m. They don't happen this early.

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Right, all conspiracies happen after 2 a .m. in the morning. But what we wanted to do is

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I said you know bring two that I don't know that you kind of think could be true or that you've rolled around in your head and then bring one that's just absolutely insane to you and you don't think has any bearing in fact at all.

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And I just thought maybe we could just go around kind of talk about them. There is some stuff in conspiracy theories that can be true.

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In fact since 2020 we saw a lot of those crazy conspiracy theorists actually get proven true, right?

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You were a conspiracy theorist if you thought the virus was created in the Wuhan lab and lo and behold that you know that turns out to be true.

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You thought you know there's a bunch of stuff about Fauci that is now turning out to be true. So there was a lot of stuff in that time that you know

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I saw a meme and it's like... There's no conspiracies left.

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According to the mainstream media though those are still conspiracies. You're right. Oh yeah, but they've been proven over and over.

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So I like talking about these things. Yeah go ahead Keith. I was just gonna say it's sort of like the movie that Jim Caviezel did about human trafficking.

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A lot of people were saying oh we don't want to give this movie any attention because he is a conspiracy theorist.

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Yeah but human trafficking is not a conspiracy. That literally happens. So he's shining a light on something that's true and just because you may not agree with his position on something else doesn't mean that what he said about children being kidnapped and used for sex trafficking and things like that like that's real.

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And so yeah I think sometimes we throw the baby out with the bathwater. I didn't know

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JC was a conspiracy theorist. Is he like kind of out there with some stuff or what? Or is that just something they label him because he's a

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Catholic believer whatever and conservative? Well I would say the movie itself

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I forget the name right now just just slipped my mind but I can see the movie poster in my head where he plays a

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CIA or FBI agent whose job it is to catch people who are doing human trafficking and it's based on the life of a real guy.

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The real life guy was a Mormon who that's beside the point but anyway

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Jim Caviezel himself has has been on has said things about QAnon and of course we know

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QAnon conspiracy stuff so he was labeled a QAnon conspiracy theorist therefore the movie was shelved people didn't want to like like like Netflix wouldn't put out

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Netflix put out Adams every everything Adam Sandler's ever done Netflix has been happy to do it wouldn't put out this movie about human trafficking so yeah it's kind of telling because that's kind of a conspiracy theory to like the whole underworld of sexual trafficking and like elites kind of you know the

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Jeffrey Epstein stuff that's another conspiracy theory where I think that was a

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InfoWars what's the guy from InfoWars Alex Jones Alex Jones was talking about that island like 15 years ago and people like oh he's nuts you know

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I mean Jones is right well even even the clips you see him going off about like you know gay frogs like licking frogs to turn you gay that turned out there's a paper that the federal government released and they're like oh we were we were working with some type of chemical that would change estrogen into testosterone levels to like turn men into women and women into men like some of that stuff that he talks about like I said they do they they're they're based in some type of truth and I think that's kind of what

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I want to say at the beginning too is like one conspiracy theory as a term was kind of made up by intelligence the the government intelligence to kind of deride anyone who had those thoughts

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I can't remember when it was maybe in the 60s or 70s that actual term conspiracy theory was created and then to a lot of conspiracy theories are based in fact they have some type of truth to them and it's just kind of I guess going down the rabbit trail of what's true and what isn't is kind of the the fun part of looking into and some of I say fun but some of the stuff is pretty serious so who wants to go first what what's our first subject for a conspiracy theory that you think might have some truth to it or could be plausible who's up first I'll go first I know it's a little controversial but this is kind of what got me into looking into this stuff at all before that I did not care about politics

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I just cared about having fun and hanging out with my friends but it would be the resurrection of Muhammad how dare you sir action of 9 -11 which is very conspiratorial

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I've talked to people about this and if you even go against the the narrative that the media did or the 9 -11

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Commission you're considered a kook but there's just some questions that never set well with me one of them being why did building 7 come down and they just said because of fires and it came down and it's footprint yeah

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I held all the world's financial information the guy just took out like a ten billion dollar insurance loan against it the day before too yes and there was even there was even an interview where he he said

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I told him to pull it yeah if you watch the interview and that just never sat well with me and then the other things that preceded that as far as us going into Iraq yeah weapons of mass destruction that they never found the

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Patriot Act which took away a lot of our rights and gave the government permission to spy on us so those things just never set well with me what do you guys think what do you what do you guys think about the implosion like the level by level when those were coming down and people are saying well that's a what do you call that like a demolition like a controlled demolition control demolition because it does look a little suspicious and I think there's some plausibility to that to where you got to remember those

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World Trade Centers had been attacked what 93 with the car bomb so you could even have someone some intelligent agency go look at all those major buildings in New York City if they're under attack and we think they're gonna do something just wire them and have them sitting there in case we just we have a domestic or external attack and we just need to blow stuff up yeah to protect assets they do it in the military all the time so I've always looked at that I went man those those level by level that's a little weird for me the you know the jet fuel that burned the whole building and took it down yet they found four passports in the rubble

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I don't know how it can burn metal but not paper that's a little weird and then it's just the the footage at the

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Pentagon is really sketchy too you never see a plane there's no parts there's no engine and it came in at a level cuz

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I watched it live I don't know where you guys were at but I was what when I say live it was on news delay but I watch it as most people did watch it as is happening and even when they would shoot to the

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Pentagon you go jeez it just looks like a like a little dirt trail with a couple pieces of metal you think a 747 would leave more than that you know so there's definitely some questions there what do you think

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Keith one of my favorite movies is and you know me

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I'm a pop culture movie guy is Mark Wahlberg's movie called sniper and in that movie there is are you guys familiar with it you guys remember the movie sniper yeah yeah and the whole movie is based on the idea that the government wants to take out someone so they they they use the sniper to tell them how another sniper would do it and they end up pinning it on him but it's a really interesting movie to watch how if if there's any truth to it

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I realize it's fiction but how things can be portrayed to the public and yet the the truth is so different on the other side and so when it comes to 9 -11 there are things that that that I think are wild and beyond what

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I think is reasonable but I think but I think there are things that should be questions that should be asked

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I've been a I've been one who asked questions about the Pentagon a lot because it's the most important military facility in the world and yet there's no camera to catch the plane that was a big question for me because the we

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I've seen the planes hit the towers you know the question I know there's a lot of debate about the planes themselves and all those things but we saw the film from various angles and everything planes hit the towers

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I think that's that's beyond question but but there's no film of a plane hitting the

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Pentagon and that's always that's always been a bother to me that in the place that would have more cameras than any place in the world in a place that has more eyes looking at it than any other place in the world we don't have any evidence of their you know a film no film evidence of that so so I would say that's one of the things that sort of like a hanging

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Chad hey another conspiracy theory but you know that so I I understand if nothing else

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I understand why people have questions I understand why people want answers and I do think the official story is a little difficult to accept on its face you know that that's a so so I would say yes the official story seems to have a lot of holes and I don't know that those holes will ever be filled yeah every time someone says hanging

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Chad I think of like just like this bro dude that's in a fraternity it's hanging

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Chad dude he's here let's do it I don't know you've never heard that expression how old are you

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John I reckon you get shot if you use hanging Chad where I come from 45 okay so you're not you're two years older than me all right so the reason

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I ask is because the first election I was really able to be involved in as far as voting was the 2000 election because I turned 18 in 98 so the next presidential election was the 2000 election with George Bush and Al Gore and the hanging

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Chad voted for Al Gore I'm gonna I'm just admitting it right now I knew about politics lockbox

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I wasn't a Christian at the time I didn't know anything about politics and I just liked the way the guy talked lockbox yeah those are some of the best

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SNL sketches by the way the hanging

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Chad's happened during the 2000 election when the pieces of paper that were punched by the punch voting machine didn't fall off therefore they couldn't count those votes and so they had people who were going through in literally manually counting where there were pieces of paper hanging from the from the voting ballot and they called those hanging

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Chad's and so the phrase hanging Chad meant a conspiracy to overthrow a vote that was where that term okay yeah then

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George Bush was like I think we should let the Secretary of State decided it's my second cousin it was like real talk about yeah talk about voting conspiracies to like that was back in 2000 yeah that was a whole thing we weren't nearly as divided

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I don't think or conspiratorial because they basically just let the Secretary of State of Florida decide the election and they were like okay

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I guess that's what we got to do and then yeah swore him in you know I will just real quick I will say there is some bizarre conspiracies around 9 -11 like I had watched one where they said the plane wasn't even real it was a hologram yeah

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I don't and that you know bombs that went off but there was eyewitnesses saying that they heard bombs firefighters policemen different people that were on the street that said they heard like boom boom boom boom boom and you can watch videos on well maybe not on YouTube they scrubbed every only thing

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I would say to that is if anyone has ever been under duress or have adrenaline and I just experienced this just five five days ago

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I was up north hunting you're sitting there quietly a deer walks out in front of you you raise up your bow or your gun you're you just automatically get some adrenaline

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I'm about to shoot something in and you really have to focus to make sure things don't go blurry you remember details what way it's gonna run where it's moving there's a weird thing where people hear gunshots and they think it's you know firecrackers yeah you know bombs so there's a weird thing too when you're under duress you're not eyewitness testimony is already kind of shaky but when you're under duress it can be a little shaky this is where I land on 9 -11 just because of the government's track record could the government have known about the attack absolutely do nothing about it sees an opportunity

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I think what is the the left is saying is don't let a good crisis go to waste

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I would totally be on board to say there was probably some people high up bureaucrats within the intelligence community that said yeah there's a 90 % chance it's gonna happen let's play it out because we can probably sacrifice a few people's lives to advance our kind of neo you know military kind of you know

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I mean agenda I I don't think that's conspiratorial at all because the government does that all the time we were just been happening throughout history

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I'm through throughout the whole time man we we we go down and inject people with stuff in Argentina to see if they can get you know recover from syphilis we put poison in the alcohol during prohibition that's a fact the government said hey keep putting more poison in there and you know basically alcohol rubbing alcohol inside there so there's all there's all this stuff of you know we've practiced on people with LSD for mind control

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MK ultra the ultra that's a that's a that's not a conspiracy theory anymore those papers have been released so the government does have a long line of going and let's sacrifice a few people for the greater good or the better agenda heck the papers just came out with JFK when they came to him and a paper got all the way to JFK's desk that was like hey we want to shoot down a commercial airliner with US citizens on it and then blame it on Cuba and it got all the way to his desk and he was like it's been signed off by FBI see

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I don't wasn't that the new American or I can't remember the name of it but there was a name there there was an actual proposal to do that no that's what

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I'm saying the proposal got to his desk all it needed was a signature he goes what in the heck are you guys doing and he wouldn't sign off on it and then you know six weeks later right after he said he wanted to end the

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Fed he's dead talk about conspiracy theories but I just this is why

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I don't fly on planes there's no chance there's no chance the government's gonna be going you know what

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I want to make a statement by blowing up his Ford f -150 let's put a nuke down on that f -150 on route 12 there as he's heading over to Tampa or whatever yeah that's funny um so yeah there's some stuff around like building 7 for 9 -11 yeah it's a weird one and then just kind of the fact that we knew that was a target and we couldn't stop it how lax our security was on letting people take you know flight lessons and then

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I don't know in the box cutter thing no disrespect to all the people on the plane and I think the one in Pennsylvania that went down they did fight back but how do you if you're in a plane and you're already like look at if this thing does not land

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I'm dead and someone holds a box cutter up to me I mean the worst you're gonna do is give me a couple two three -inch deep stabs before I I've cut myself with the box cutter it's not life -threatening

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I used to stock groceries and yeah I hit my hands and my wrist a couple times and yeah put a baby

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I will I will I will challenge that thought only on this thought yeah and again

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I know we got to get on to some other conspiracy theorists the reason why a person could overtake a a plane with a box cutter is because it was before 9 -11 and I know that sounds weird because sounds like I'm being anachronistic what

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I'm saying is now it would never happen because we've seen the result but if I had a box cutter well let me

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I don't use myself as example that sounds bad if a person had a box clip it clip that clip that post it in the very first thing in the very first thing they did

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I know this because I teach personal protection I also teach how people handled stress and you were talking about stress earlier there's something yeah the automatic the autonomic nervous system which takes over and and causes us to do things like have tunnel vision vasoconstriction all these things happen when we're under stress and we think we're going to die if a man stands up and cuts the throat of a stewardess everybody's autonomic nervous system is gonna go crazy and they're gonna begin to think they're next and that creates a sense of fear which does cause most they talk about the fight -or -flight syndrome there's not two there's three there's fight flight and freeze and the vast majority of people freeze under that level of stress when they see somebody's head literally get cut because I can kill you the box cutter very quickly because I teach

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I teach modern armies which is Filipino knife and stick fighting I can ruin you with a box cutter with no problem if I could we got a killer on the program dude right here if I were to cut you as far as I can into the depth and hit the bone it's you're gonna bleed out before the end of the fight because right here is those veins you know people kill themselves here well the veins that connect here are back here and if I cut you all the way to the bone right there we have hairy we have hairy parts that protect us we have non hairy parts that don't protect us which is why we should do this and not this when we're when we're afraid as this is the hairy parts they're designed to protect this this is why boxers cover like this

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I'm sorry this is a whole other conversation but it seems like I've studied this pretty and I think you should change your podcast into the

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Jason the horn podcast bro box cutter I'm just saying with that I I believe that people can be sent into a state of fear by seeing someone else die very quickly and if they think they're next yeah yeah which is what happened on the flight that these mentioned the

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Philadelphia flight there's a man on that flight I forget his name right away but he was a jiu -jitsu fighter he was the one who was on the phone and he said we're fixing to go we're about to fight this guy and they got in line and when they charge him because they knew the other alternative the other alternative was we're gonna die anyway so anyway anyway so sorry

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I made a call from woman that was interesting in 2001 he made a call from one of those super cell phones that reach someone towers from nine miles you know ten miles in the air again another conspiracy there yeah back up for what

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Greg said that was called operation Northwoods Northwood yeah that was okay we got the

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US Department of Defense in 62 they did that bring us into the

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Cuban War or try to that was a proposal to try to I don't know I think okay so I think you're right

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Keith just to finish this off with just to agree and disagree with I think you're right you're looking you have the expertise and like kind of the the what everyone would do

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I'm just I don't know I had a gun pulled on me three times now in my life and every time it didn't feel like freeze or flight

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I was like all right let's do this and I don't know if that's just an ignorant response now

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I had a gun too and once I showed it the two times they got pulled on me they put it away because it wasn't worth it

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I don't think but I just I just in my mind I don't everyone does this well if it was me up there

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I would write we all do that but I don't know I've seen some gory stuff and it doesn't really faze me at all you know what

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I mean I just went in a box cutter let's go dude I'd be choking you before by the time you well maybe not you could slice them and yeah bleed out but yeah that's that's not even conspiracy

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I don't know behind the arm just right here though just towards the armpit you want to what

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I'm getting some underarm guards dude next time I fly be like let's go I mean

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I carry a gun everywhere I go if I got my pants on I got my gun on and it's for that reason a guy pulls him if a guy pulls a knife

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I'm gonna put two in his chest and one in his head I you just so as a black belt if someone challenges you go you go you just put your hands up and go pick your weapon you want these or this no it's a black belt

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I avoid every potential threat because I've studied I have I have watched hundreds of hours of actual fights and people being attacked and you would be surprised how easily even a trained fighter can be injured

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I mean imagine you know jiu -jitsu fighters are trained to go to their back well what happens if your head hits the side of a curb you're you're out you're done and now the fight's over and the guy stomping you there's a guy stomping your head into the concrete because you decided to roll backwards without checking what was behind you that's what happened in American history yes

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I that's exactly jiu -jitsu do you have your hands insured there's no such thing is that martial artists have to be registered as we go up and pull on your hands it's a collision on these bad boys even if I accidentally hit you

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I'm covered get out the way I'm George Costanza that's what

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I get for avoiding manual labor all my life he's soft hands that can kill you okay let's cap 9 -11 yeah there's

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Keith why don't you give us one what's one that you might have I don't know how we're gonna recover from oven mitts but let's get mine is so stupid we've had such a serious conversation about and I didn't know we were going to 9 -11 first I was a little worried about it you never know how people are gonna react when you invite

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John to a podcast he gets right to the serious stuff 9 -11 mine is literally the

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Loch Ness Monster look at dude all

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I know is in the 80s when I was a kid I'd stand in line at the grocery store and like the Inquirer every other week would have a picture of that dang

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Loch Ness Monster and I was like is that thing real where they getting these pictures so here's my here's my conspiracy it's not a conspiracy as much as it is just is it something that is real that people don't think is real so in that sense conspiratorial

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I think that I think that there are that there are undiscovered creatures some of which would absolutely eliminate the the timeline that's held by the evolutionist position and that's that's where I think that's why

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I think the conspiracy side of it comes in is is I think that there's a position that's held which says that dinosaurs had to be you know billions of years ago and we are here and there's no connection between the two and if there are connection points like the

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Loch Ness Monster and other things it would destroy that timeline it would destroy that positional distinction and therefore

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I think it's downplayed as joke it's downplayed but but I think there's things out there which demonstrate that this earth hasn't been here as long as we as long as people think it is so I'm a young earth

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I'm a young earth Christian but I think there's actually like some physical things out there that show that you know

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I think dinosaurs are still on the earth that's what I'm saying I say I think dinosaurs are still out there. Hey this is the conspiracy episode so I'll let you jump in here

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John too but my first thought is why can't there be large aquatic creatures in the depths of the sea that we have never we've never even gotten close to exploring yeah we just got to you know

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I always talk about in Job where God is talking to Job and he goes if you put the freshwater streams at the bottom of the ocean and all atheists and scientists were like see that books and saying there's no such thing you can't have freshwater and saltwater right and then in 1978 they send down some robots and like holy cow there's freshwater streams at the bottom of the ocean and they're separated and the freshwater is running on the bottom and the saltwater is floating on top it's like okay well there you go science proved

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God right yet again so there's all kinds of stuff we haven't explored so there's all kinds of animals I saw some stat that says like we've explored more of the moon than we have the depths of the ocean or something like that in fact check me on it it's some weird stat that just is mind -blowing why can't there be stuff in deep waters that have developed differently because you know oxygen nitrogen levels all that kind of stuff pressure pressure like that's one because you're kind of touching on one that I'm gonna talk about which is an animal as well

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I kind of lean and go there's something down there now could be exaggerated over time and how long the neck is and how big it is but there's probably something in there what do you think

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John well did you give any credence to it oh yeah because for years there were purported to be sightings of that the giant squid and you know

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I thought that was conspiracy theory and I'm trying to look it up I can't remember what year they found it but they they ended up finding the giant squid oh the giant squid yeah that was and I can't get any info

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I'm looking on Wikipedia so I don't all the animal ones always interest me because there are so many different kinds out there that we like chupacabra you know you'll see those where they wash up on shore you're like what the heck is that something's going on there but I would say on a scale of 1 to 10

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Loch Ness I would with it I would say probably not exactly what you would see in like the

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National Enquirer but 8 out of 10 80 % there's something in there that's big and different and we haven't classified it just because we haven't classified millions of things in the ocean and I know that's not the ocean right

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Loch Ness is what you know like a real deep lake over and where Scotland it's it's a lock but I don't know what

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I just know that's I don't know what it is either I think I think it's a lake yeah it's a lock

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I used to think it was called the Loch Ness like he lived in a nest but yes right yeah have you ever seen

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Napoleon dynamite oh yeah it's been a while but where he gives the report on Loch Ness monster and he calls her

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Nessie because Nessie has been fun so that's what I call her Loch Ness is Nessie Nessie did you find the

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I was trying to look up what is a lot I cannot know stuff it bugs me oh my gosh this is the other thing you could go into with that is the conspiracy theory that the

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Smithsonian actually hides like giant bones and different stuff like that that would go again that's not conspiracy they got receipts on that yeah so it's only some people would say if you're digging and you find something weird and it happens a lot in Southern Ohio believe it or not in the

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Midwest they've got representatives that come out there they pay them off they dig them up themselves they put them in a vault and you never see them why they do that I don't know but the

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Smithsonian and believe it or not the Vatican Vatican has some of the rarest weirdest fossils and artifacts in the world and they're all locked up and they're not on display and you don't get to see them so that's where the conspiracy comes in for me why the heck if I get that you know why can't

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I see a nine -foot femur bone what's up with that hmm you know I don't know if it did

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Keith did you fall asleep and he sleep okay I for the sake of I sorry an elder one of our elders texted me and I had to respond so I do apologize

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I was I wasn't trying to be rude and I'm sorry the work of the Lord as a pastor when we're talking about like those monsters geez

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I can tell you what a lock is if you okay don't you put it on like a bagel and fish sandwich yes okay or on a door a door okay a lock in a lake well the main distinction is where they're located locks can be found in Scotland and Ireland whilst lakes are found elsewhere in the world because this is because the word lock comes from the

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Gaelic language which means like we're historically yeah basically okay all right but then you have nails where you you know go into a canal right at the lock where it raises up the right okay so it's a big deep but it's a deep lake

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I thought I remember reading it's like super deep I think there's caverns under there that they go into the oh like underwater systems

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I could be wrong where the reptiles live that's underground oh is that underground she goes what do you think you know

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Lake Ness monster the lake Lake Ness Lake Nessie all right so Loch Ness I say yeah there could be something big under there

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I'm okay with it people might think I'm crazy but there's something swimming underneath there what do you think yeah

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I know it's a pot I think it's a possibility for sure but you're leaning towards no I don't go into the

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I don't believe in evolution the way that they right I don't believe in millions of years

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I don't believe that dinosaurs I believe humans lived with dinosaurs and yeah well there's a lot of drawings of that yeah so or dragons

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I mean they called them dragons before they call them dinosaurs and everything the Bible calls people worship dragons every culture had talked about dragons and fighting dragons and killing dragons and slaying dragons and they didn't talk about it as a myth they talked about it yeah well even the what do you call it hieroglyphics or whatever the hieroglyphics on the side of the they got like stegosauruses and stuff like weird stuff that looks really similar to what we kind of draw for what we thought was millions of years ago with man yeah he's still what's that all about you know

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I don't know yeah do you want to uh okay so mine I'm gonna switch to mine it's it's staying on the animal theme that maybe could be but I have a weird thing on this and you guys might have more information than I do is

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Bigfoot I've always been enthralled with could it be some kind of weird land animal that just you know lives high in mountains been seen once or twice and then the folktale kind of grows over time the

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Native Americans believed it was spiritual yeah that's where as the as the auditory tradition goes that's why they would even say how because when you have you know when they agree each other with the hand it would show five fingers and not six because Native Americans experienced

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Giants with six fingers kind of like Goliath is recorded with and they said that Bigfoot was a spiritual aberration it would appear and then disappear and they had six fingers and it was you know for them it was more of like a demonic thing yeah

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I don't know if it's possible but I that's one that I think is a fun one just to I don't know just to roll around because I don't know

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I think there are spiritual things that can take physical manifestation and form even in this world and I don't know maybe

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Bigfoot's one of those maybe it's just crazy hunters out in the middle of the woods that haven't seen another living human in a week it's like oh

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I don't know what do you guys think you want to go Keith or well

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I I may be in a fur coat yeah

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I I think I think that Bigfoot is is is as plausible as Loch Ness Monster and so I mean and I just I just agreed

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I what I mean is as I think there's something out there my bigger issue I guess with with and this sort of goes the opposite way of Loch Ness I think

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Loch Ness is the potential demonstration of a younger earth but the issue

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I have with Bigfoot is it's often used as a missing link type of argument this is the this is the the the missing link between man and ape

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I don't think that's what Bigfoot is I think Bigfoot is possibly a creature we haven't identified yet as far as the spiritual side of it

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I I heard there was the the haunted cosmos episode on on the issue of Bigfoot they talk about the idea of it being a spiritual creature

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I had not really thought of that before then so I you know I just think the idea that there there there are plenty of animals that are not yet on our our charts our understanding and so so I think

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I the way I've always thought of Bigfoot is just an undiscovered creature and I think of like we used to call the phrase was abominable snowman means to smell bad or to have an odor and so when they would find evidence of this creature it always smelled bad it always had this left behind this odor and so that's

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I've always thought of something physical that's always just made me think of that as being physical right and so but that's but but I have no issue if someone if tomorrow they were to find a like a like a like a colony of Bigfoot yeah

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I mean I don't know where they would be but if they you know like in the backwoods of Alaska they just happened upon you know the guy from Harry and the

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Hendersons and his family you know it's like I don't know the spiritual thing is interesting to me just because it has a long history with a couple different cultures and you know really any type of conspiracy theory animal or being why not just make them all spiritual the

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Loch Ness is spiritual all the Chabacuva spiritual it's like Bigfoot is the only one where the

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Native Americans some part in Eastern Europe and then

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I can't remember the third group of people but they have a tradition of it being spiritual which interests me and I go okay there's something there were they all three kind of line up so why is that but the things that would kind of deter me against it in what

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I think about is man we've explored so much of the world and we're in so many crevices of like weird places that are supposed to be remote as humans there's no and we have so many cameras and phones and recording devices we should have got something on camera if it was like actually walking around you don't

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I mean like this 810 foot creature I mean if you say Alaska but most of Alaska has has some type of now not every part of it but most quadrants or sections sections is a 16 by 16 square mile have at least had humans in them you know so it'd be really hard I think for a for a

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Bigfoot to like hide from from humans at this point because at least that's on land that's not the depths of the ocean like we're talking about with Loch Ness it's it's on land what do you think

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John well I had watched that haunted cosmos episode well they have two episodes and I mean they're a couple hours long and I've always thought a

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Bigfoot is just a you know it's a physical creature that people had seen you know you always see that photograph that they still can't kind of explain but they went in to talk about where it even like would disappear into a mist or I think at the end of one of the episodes they talked about it communicating with the lady telepathically and then protecting her and and I never heard that before I listened to that episode of it being maybe like a spiritual type creature like you're talking about so I don't really know where I stand on the

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Bigfoot it's super interesting yeah but then I agree with Keith to that you know if we did find something like that the evolutionists would be like look this is the missing link this is what we know but they call okay but I don't know if it would change anything for believers because they call you know yeah yeah apes and you know we're linked to them somehow because our

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DNA is 98 % the same it's a Neanderthals right which to me just would have been humans and yeah you know

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I can't remember what group it was but they used to actually I think it was

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Aborigines they would kill them and then boil down their skulls and use that as evidence for evolution what's up it like Aborigine tribes would kill what the people oh and then boil down their skulls and use that as like a form of evolution

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I think it was Aborigine cheese well there were witch doctors that had shrinkers right yeah but he said he's actually

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John is referring to some studies that were done I don't know

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I don't know or don't know right or wrong whether or not they were killed but yes their skulls were definitely studied to argue that their skulls represented a transitional point between our nearest ancestor and human beings that Aborigines were not fully human beings and that was done in the 1800s yeah so absolutely and evolution is

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I mean if you look at Hitler he had a list of who was more evolved and then another race of people you know

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Darwin had yeah Darwin was very I think it was kind of his science but the full name of that book isn't just well why you're why you're looking that up to speaking of like Aborigines and like killing have you guys ever seen the movie

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I think it's called bone tomahawk I have heard of it it's bone tomahawk

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I've never seen it but a buddy of mine said it is rough it is dude okay look at don't watch it with kids probably probably not your wife either there's some violence in it but the the story whoever wrote the story and who how they shot it the cinematography of it and kind of the timing of it the speed of it was just really good what movie

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I'm sorry Kurt Russell's in it well I'm called bone tomahawk I think and I've never yeah it's essentially set in like the maybe the late 1800s mid 1800s and there's like this last tribe of Indians that are out there that have evolved you know and kind of just been separate and their gruesome and they capture people and and kill them basically but I don't know why

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I brought that so it just made me think of that he said people so real quick the full title of his book is origin of the species by means of natural selection or the preservation of favored races and the struggle for life right it's right in the title yeah so yeah you know they've always viewed certain cultures as less evolved you know than Europeans yeah like that which that would be absolutely wrong

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I don't understand how the crazy secularists atheists leftist progressives all those guys who are big evolutionists don't see the racism in Darwin's theory and the selection it's just crazy that's why they took out the whole title yeah to teach it in schools oh that's true too yeah all right let's move right along so we're back to John we might not get to all these because we've already been going a little bit but so John came out of the gate with 9 -11 right off the top then we went

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Loch Ness I'm at Bigfoot what do you got another one that you go and there might be something there New World Order now we're getting into it just the idea that there's a group of control what happens throughout the world you know or at least guide

44:27

I know the I know the Rockefellers would be mentioned in that sure you know even during like World War two they funded both sides of the you know the conflict you know you even had

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Ford and GM building tanks and stuff like that for Germany and making money off that but being in America IBM they actually did the punch cards for the the

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Jewish people and stuff in the concentration camps and stuff like that but just these elites and these people with money that kind of control what's gonna happen in society

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I know now the newest thing it would be like the economic forum like Klaus Schwab and sure then you know their

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Berg yeah that's a real thing yeah then you have his underling I think it's Harada Harada no no we

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Harada whatever yeah that is scary but cloud about Klaus Schwab is the closest thing to a

45:19

Bond villain that I've ever seen even his outfits are like what are you going to do mr.

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but that Harada no we I think I think I'm saying his name right he even says like we don't believe in the

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God in the clouds we believe in you know the God of the clouds like the IBM cloud and this and that and he talks about how humans are useless and we don't know what we're gonna do with them once all this technology and AI takes off and sure and he you know he basically says that the human minds hackable and that we really think that we have choice to choose our thoughts what we don't that they can hack our basically hack us and control us and stuff like that so yeah so I think there are

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Keith you tell me what you think about this too I look at it more like and this ties in for me to like the Illuminati conspiracy theories to like New World Order Illuminati I think one anyone who's making decisions at a at an elite level to push an agenda and I don't know if it's sometimes it's specific things but moreover

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I look at it as we want to move in this general direction which is Antichrist anti God right and what is the commands of God go forth and multiply get married have kids have dominion over the land and the animals and all these things and the the plan by the by kind of the elitist or the

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Antichrist the spirit of Antichrist when I'm using Antichrist I'm saying like anti God right I'm not saying like the man of perdition and all this stuff like you know in time stuff

46:56

I'm saying that though that agenda is alive and 100 % right we see it we're like abort your baby go trans be gay don't have kids they're too much money it's gonna hurt climate change they're you know what

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I mean they're financial stress and you like everything to stop population growth you know you have what's his name

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Gates like we need to have a two two billion people on earth instead of eight and we're overgrown and over populated which is funny because 98 % of the people live on 8 % of the populated earth we have a lot of room to expand if we really wanted to so I look at that and I see and remember

47:34

Illuminati just means illuminated like yeah that's that's the crazy thing to the worst thing the church or believers has ever done is is made a

47:41

Satanist into like this goth guy with mascara on and a pitchfork and he's like bloodletting goats that's not what

47:47

Satanists and Illuminati people are they just believe they are illuminated in the fact that Satan is comes as the angel of light and he illuminated our way of thinking and made us the judge of right and wrong and that's the way it should be you talk to a real

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Satan worshipper not not like a love a but like a real like I believe Lucifer was correct when he deserved worship over God was yeah we should know right from wrong we should be making the decisions

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God should not be the moral arbiter of this world we should be and they're actually pretty normal they're just anti -christ they're just anti God and everything that they stand for they're not you know they're not doing rituals with beads and you know like I said bloodletting goats and now there is that sect of it but but they laugh at those people and they go yeah yeah keep the

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Hollywood version of Satan alive because we got really real things to do over here is the ruler of this air to advance things that are anti -christ that's population control let's make everyone let's erase genders because the created order is man and woman so I I don't know if there's like a group of five people that sit around a table and make decisions but I do know there's groups of elite people that do not believe in the created order and anything

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God has instituted and they have their own agenda and I think that trickles down into like legislation and laws and regulations and the way countries rule and run what do you think if I think that well you said it

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Satan right there is a conspirator there is a grand conspirator I don't think I don't think the people that are in positions of authority always know that they're connected

49:24

I don't think that they always know that there's we think of conspiracies like like guys in a room who are you know yeah see you know the cigars destroy the country see just real quick cuz it's a bug in me the guy name is

50:09

Yuval Noah Harari okay you were close yeah I wouldn't never remember that yeah but yeah so there is a grand conspirator right

50:16

Satan is the ruler of this air we fight against principalities spiritual things but those things do come into the physical realm right yeah and that's what

50:24

I'm saying is there are people who are doing Satan's bidding and I don't think that they know it now that I think they know that what they're doing in essence is against God but I don't think they know necessarily that they're they're they're being that they're being manipulated as part of Satan's world and so yeah

50:42

I think that that's real when somebody says do you believe in the Illuminati I say okay well and I know that's not what you said

50:49

John I'm just saying people say do you believe in Illuminati well there is such a thing there is I used to have somebody one of my friends owns a

50:56

Masonic Bible and he brought it to my house and we were looking at it and there's there's there's a definition for Illuminati in the in the

51:02

Masonic Bible there's like all these definitions so it does exist it just what is it thing what is it yeah what is it doing yeah well and it's highly compartmentalized to where people might you know they might be thinking they're doing good you know like I'm pretty sure there's people that are with the climate change things some people agree with it some people disagree with it but they might be thinking that they're doing good by you know getting rid of all carbon emissions and gasoline vehicles and this and that or population control or because yeah because they you know buy into I think that's the majority of them yeah when

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I say doing good I'm saying we see like a Austin Powers dr. evil up there yeah right to where I think you have a group of people

51:45

I just go oh no the the way of the the Christians and the way of the worldview of God the Creator it's just skewed and it's wrong yeah and we have the correct way and I think it's a lot less nefarious in the fact that we think they're like oh yeah we hate all these people let's kill them it's like well no we just we don't value human life the same way that Christian you can't right if you don't believe in a creator and an image bearer like we believe well then you do devalue life and you go well it's no big deal to get rid of four billion people because we have different goals and we have different value sets and all these things and that's why you can you never once in a while and they're like press conferences and stuff you see it slip out with some of these world leaders where they talk very flippantly right even like a

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Bill Gates yeah because I've always said if you're around something long enough or even a lie or big lies long enough the little lies that slip out that seem big to us is just normal to them because they've been desensitized to those lies and those kind of plans you know you'll have someone say something oh yeah we got it you're like what he should say the quiet part out loud but yeah those people yeah you know who've been around that they go oh well it's no big deal that we want to create you know a vaccine that I'm going to talk about kovat but other vaccines in other countries that sterilize people's because I mean they're living in poverty and conspiracy theory yeah wouldn't be wouldn't be great but all right so let's let's move on Keith what do you got for me on the second one well my next one may seem sort of tame considering all that we've gone through in the last hour but we've hit no this is very tame it's actually a conversation

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I had with my wife last night and sort of took the different took me on a different path because I had a different second one but then she asked me a question she said do you think that the reason why the government puts fluoride in the water is because they intentionally want to poison us and and the question was because it was raised in a podcast that she had listened to where the guy said that fluoride actually creates mental deficiency it lowers

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IQ it creates mental cloudiness and problems and we the question of do we put fluoride in water is not a question we do we've put fluoride in the drinking water of billions of people or millions of people for years the question is is it intentionally being done to help or is it intentionally being done to hurt and that's that's what was raised and I said you know what

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I I don't know it's hard to it's hard to know what the real motivation is because obviously they say it's for the good of our teeth yeah but but is that true

54:25

I mean I'm on well water thank God I don't I don't have to worry about it he's like I just got iron sulfur in my water we got it yeah no that's a good one because also they've done studies and like you said it like it almost make like decision -making and things like that can be dulled and the conspiracy basically is that's how you kind of just tamper down a whole society is just get them to where they don't really want to you know

54:51

I don't know riot or civil war kind of push back on anything that might you know upset them which

54:57

I don't know we've seen riots the last three four years though every summer I feel like so it's like I don't know if it's working but fact that there is fluoride in the water in fact that it is unhealthy for you so then the question must be asked like you said why are we doing it now the official thing is hey it's in such low doses that it's not gonna affect you yeah but I don't know of any long -term studies that have been done on minimal amounts of fluoride going into your body over time because you can have a minimal amount for a short period of time and it doesn't do anything but you know over a long period of time 20 30 40 years

55:31

I don't know how that affects you what were you gonna say Keith I was gonna say and who gave them permission to do it like who was whose idea was it hey we're all gonna fix our teeth with a minimal amount of fluoride oh and yeah it's gonna make us stupid

55:43

I mean like well well is it a minimal amount if we're brushing our teeth with it every day drink and tap water with it a lot of drugs have it in there a lot of your psych drugs have fluoride in it and then

55:54

I'm looking here at a list of side effects for fluoride skeletal weakness neurological problems high blood pressure acne seizures high intakes can cause tooth decay so reverses and goes yeah so yeah

56:11

I don't know I don't know if I've looked into this so much but I know I think from what

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I read I think it was either Germany or something put it into the water supposedly to make the population docile and not as aggressive against tyranny that's what kind of the conspiracy

56:29

I heard but it's a good question Keith is asking I don't know the answer to it maybe you can look it up like who first instituted fluoride in our public drinking water was it like the

56:38

EPA or the federal government or did it come down through like a like pray an environmental act I'm thinking or something but yeah full disclosure we don't use toothpaste with fluoride and all of our drinking waters purified at our house just because I don't know there was some weird thing there that early on I was like not good for kids to have it

56:59

I don't really want it and those are easy steps buy your toothpaste out fluoride we have a coal filter on the fridge with along with some other filters that'll take it out what do you got this is saying in 1945

57:11

Grand Rapids became the first city in the world to fluoridate its drinking water the Grand Rapids water fluoridation study was originally sponsored by the

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US Surgeon General but was taken over by the NID are shortly after the

57:26

Institute's inception in 1948 dang so this is technology from the 40s yeah and we haven't found anything what was

57:34

World War two what was that that's right at the end of World War two yeah 40 42 or 43 it ended dude we had a lot of weird stuff going on right after World War two

57:44

I think I feel like our federal government took advantage of like hey let's start instituting some stuff because we just had a world war and we don't want it to happen again yeah well that they

57:53

I was telling you earlier about the Tuskegee experiments yeah which they did on african -american men they basically let him die of syphilis they told him that they were treating them they started the study before the penicillin was created but then when penicillin was created they still just let him go through and die their families ended up getting it some of their kids ended up getting it in the

58:17

CDC and I can't remember one of the health organizations they actually fought in court to keep this going and just let it run through all the way yeah just to see how they would die from syphilis so you know

58:31

I mean we do that third world countries a lot actually there's a lot of that what do you think

58:37

Keith where's your head on yeah I'm it's scary what I think is possible especially having seen what happened with kovat you know right it's hard for me to not see a nefarious hand in so many things when it comes to sickness and disease and and the potential willingness to use people as guinea pigs and to say we're doing this for a good cause

59:07

I mean are you guys familiar with the eugenics movement yeah it wasn't a

59:12

Margaret Sanger that wasn't that Planned Parenthood wasn't that originally well Janik's thing the eugenics movement was early in the 20th century the idea that we need to eliminate bad genes and promote good genes and therefore we will force sterilization we will and there were there are court cases where people were forced sterilized because they were considered to be less desirable in their in their physical traits or less desirable in their social economic status where that went into the 70s didn't it yeah

59:46

D. James Kennedy has if you remember D. James Kennedy he was the pastor of Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church in Tampa he did it he did a documentary about eugenics

59:59

I can still not find it I had it on DVD and I lost it and to this day if anybody if anybody listening to this knows how to get a hold of his the one that he did he gives the history of eugenics he talks about Margaret Sanger she was a byproduct of it she wasn't the cause of it but she was definitely on board with the idea that there were people that people and groups that needed to be taken out of the gene pool the gene pool and that and so absolutely that's interesting because all of my knowledge of eugenics just comes from Star Trek wrath wrath of Khan so I'm glad you explained that gets up well it's super humans in the 1990s so he's just rolling with that as far as you know wanting the population to be decreased

01:00:50

I don't know if you guys ever heard of this but it was the Georgia Guidestones have you guys ever heard of that sure yeah all the goals yeah and the first goal was

01:00:59

I think keep keep the population at 500 million and right you know to help the earth basically and they they took those things down remember when we went to Georgia I wanted to go see them they're gone they're gone yeah once again in my opinion all that stuff essentially just directly flying in the face of the first few commandments of God so that's why

01:01:25

I can lend some credence to some of these things because you go yeah man is depraved they rage against God they want to be

01:01:32

God so why wouldn't you rage against the commands and the laws of God and not treat each other as image bearers and want to control population and you know what

01:01:42

I mean so for me it's an easy leap to go there's men's hearts that do believe that way naturally yeah

01:01:48

Jane Jane Jane Goodall remember Jane Goodall the the chip lady she's back in the 70s

01:01:56

I know the name well she did a huge study with chimpanzees and she was recently she recently spoke to the

01:02:13

World Economic Forum and she said that what we needed what would be best is if we could go back to the population of 500 years ago which is essentially a 90 % population decrease so that would be the in line with the

01:02:28

Georgia Guidestones yeah yeah crazy all right let's go to my last one and then maybe for the three that we think are just nuts we can just all say them at the same time and pick which one we want but um the one that I find very interesting and probably has some type of truth to it and I don't know if it's necessarily distributed just this way but chemtrails when you're talking about or at least seeding the air putting something in there that's aluminum -based they've pulled they've done air studies and aluminum is up 200 % over the last 30 years whether it's getting distributed through chemtrails or not there's something with nefarious things going on I think with putting something in the air and I really think it is for food security because then you know five six years ago you had

01:03:19

Monsanto come out with a wheat seed in a in a corn kernel or what you know corn seed or whatever and it's aluminum proof it basically if there's aluminum on it or in the ground it can still survive to where regular heirloom seeds if there's too much aluminum in the ground or in the air they die off and there's a whole subset of conspiracy theories with Monsanto as well too because they it's on record those plant their genetically modified seed the wind will blow and it will go over out of another farmers land and then they have sued that farmer for using their genetically modified seed just by one or two plants growing up crops growing up and they and they do and they've that farmer loses all the way to the

01:04:09

Supreme Court then you come to find out you know your favorite conservative judges have actually served as lawyers for Monsanto before getting appointed to the

01:04:17

Supreme Court that's a little weird you think conflict of interest and they didn't recuse themselves but so there's something going on I think with because look at the guy at Nestle was like we want to own all natural

01:04:31

Springs you're like that's nuts I can't believe he said that like five years ago you got Monsanto like we want to be the provider of all seed so it's like this weird thing to where once again raging against the commands of God right what did

01:04:43

God tell us to do I've given you all animals and seed to have dominion over to eat and then you have a few men going no we want to control all that we want to be able the ones that provide humans with sustenance and food and water and I think it's just you know kicking against the the laws and commands of God but there's something there

01:05:06

I think with not necessarily chemtrails but like seeding the air with some type of aluminum or maybe they do it through chemtrails or for that to happen though you'd have to have like a mass conspiracy going on like how are they getting it into the fuel tanks and stuff like that but I don't what do you guys think well

01:05:20

I know that I think it's in California and I think it's sodium dioxide but they actually do you can watch

01:05:27

YouTube specials about them spraying that to kind of help it rain but they didn't do by it rains every day at 11 o 'clock in Dubai yeah no they have a rain machine oh do they really yeah okay all those rich Saudi Kings but this is

01:05:41

I don't know if this is happening now I would you know assume that it might be but the

01:05:47

I'm reading an article right now that the u .s. considers sun blocking to cool the earth and then

01:05:53

I know Bill Gates has been involved with this to spray particles in order to oh my gosh he's becoming

01:06:00

Montgomery Burns from the Simpsons like him too but hey

01:06:07

Simpsons always predict in the future right yes sun dimming technology that would potentially reflect sunlight out of the earth's atmosphere triggering a global global cooling effect the stratosphere controlled yeah perturbation experiment so Bill Gates is just something like excellent well

01:06:25

I just think he you know if there's anything financial that he can be involved in he'll do that so yeah but so yeah

01:06:32

I mean is that a possibility yeah they're proposing it right now I know I've there was a National Geographic magazine that I had gotten probably eight years ago that talked about that's what they wanted to do is block in order to stop climate change they wanted to block out the

01:06:48

Sun they wanted to make most of the landmass to where humans couldn't even go on it to help

01:06:55

Mother Earth you know replenish herself and they had zones where humans could go in and they had the stack them and pack them cities like the five minute or ten minute city or no 15 minutes okay that they're starting over in Europe to where everything that you need is going to be within 15 minutes so yeah

01:07:11

I think it's a possibility that that they could I just know that they're messing with our air dude yeah if they can mess with it in Dubai and trillionaires undocumented trillionaires can go hey let's create a machine that makes it rain and makes it sunny and can block out the

01:07:25

Sun that's all documented that's not conspiracy you go to Dubai right now you set your watch 11 o 'clock it rains for 25 minutes and then it's done or 30 minutes and it's done well then and there's project

01:07:34

Popeye to in Vietnam where they sprayed to make it rain more right for them you know to increase the monsoon season so that you know they it would help them when yeah it's just weird because with Monsanto aluminum isn't even really a naturally occurring issue with crops in the soil it's usually like acid and stuff like that so you're like dude why is

01:07:55

Monsanto spending billions of dollars to genetically modify a seed that's aluminum proof if that's not an issue you know

01:08:02

Keith what do you think are we putting anything in the air no well I think we're I think we're putting things everywhere we shouldn't be again

01:08:10

I mean my wife and I were talking again we were talking about this last night and she had watched a podcast where they were discussing folic acid being added to certain foods and how like a 40 to 50 percent of people can't process folic acid properly and yet it's being added to the foods and we see the word enriched or we see the word like with white flour enriched flour that's that's that's adding folic acid and these are things that can't be processed and we wonder why so many people now are like gluten intolerant things like that it's maybe it's not the gluten maybe it's something else and so there's certainly a lot of mad science going on behind the behind the scenes and and even though it may have at some point there may be a benevolent purpose we we have to wonder is it is it is there something nefarious in this claim to benevolence so oh no absolutely

01:09:16

I think anytime we mess with with God's order there's gonna be problems right or shortcuts to it yeah

01:09:22

I mean that's what most of our food supply is is convenience you know it's crazy because I always say this like in the 1950s early 1960s they would actually fly doctors in from around the world to study children with cancer because it was so rare now 60 years later we have whole hospitals we have whole foundation make a wish for kids who have cancer we have such an epidemic talk about a pandemic an epidemic that we don't talk about is over the last 60 years cancer the number three killer number two depending on how you classify it of Americans is cancer and you go okay so this deformation or this abnormal self -formation in the body where is this you know this isn't genetic where is it coming from I think and maybe this is conspiratorial but there's some studies out there to prove it the food supply is so processed man the manufacturing process think of all the oh goes into that you're not supposed to have food that stays good sitting out for a year and then you can still eat it there's so many preservatives in our food man that is just not good for our body

01:10:25

McDonald's fries last 20 years you don't I mean it's ridiculous and you can call it not around me they don't but yeah my whole point is is it's a shortcut right it's a convenience like once again what are we commanded to do go work because of the fall we have to work the land we have to raise our crops we have to kill our animals we have to process them eat them we don't want to do that we haven't done that for a hundred years instead what do we do we walk down the aisle of a grocery store like a 17th century gay

01:11:14

King I'll have some meat I'll have some I'll have an apple and we just pick some fish and we put it in our cart and we don't it's full of crap but we're like we don't want to work for it because I feel like if you're doing this

01:11:34

I don't know it's like I'll have some steak I'll have some fish I don't know it was weird but in my mind you know because I always had those ruffles on to in the 17th century it was always a little little suspect but we don't work for it so right there we're going against what

01:11:49

Proverbs says what Ecclesiastes talks about what Genesis talks about about toiling working earning and instead we have all these conveniences but like you said

01:11:59

John those conveniences have side effects I think medical right I think they have societal well my son's allergic to peanuts

01:12:07

I I never even knew anybody that was allergic to peanuts when yeah growing up and I had asthma before it was cool but now everybody every you know not everybody but a lot of kids have asthma they have peanut allergies allergies my daughter's allergic to milk and not just an intolerance it's a she breaks out in hives yeah and I just don't remember seeing that kind of stuff when when

01:12:30

I was younger and I'm assuming you know and they've changed the manufacturing process and and preservatives that they put in to make it cheaper and and more affordable for them so they can make a bigger profit so who knows

01:12:43

I think taking it out too doesn't help when you remove all those things the immune system doesn't get the chance to fight those things eggs is a great one my nephew my brother fed him eggs when he was like one or two years old one and a half and his throat restricted so bad he stopped breathing they had to take him to hospital the doctor was like they went to this doctor and he was very open -minded he goes look at introduce a little bit at a time and he'll be fine and you know by time he hits teenager he's like eight or nine he eats eggs all the time now so they introduce a little bit the body naturally was able to kind of adjust and go okay we need to figure out a way to fight this or whatever you totally remove and I'm not saying for your for your children yeah they can't be around those things it's severe but at a young age or as a society we go no no milk no dairy no peanuts at all don't even you know you get those if you go to public school it's like you can't bring anything with peanut butter we have one kid that's allergic well now all those other kids are maybe possibly not benefiting from the fact of being able to build up their immune system at a young age too well

01:13:40

I'm and I'm not this might go into back into conspiracy but I had watched a talk by a guy who was saying that we need to eat less meat for climate change and he said but people don't want to eat less meat so he said we got to figure out basically a way to make them intolerant to me like allergic to me oh no never happened for me so well

01:14:04

I don't know if he proposed putting it in vaccines or whatever but that was like his suggestion dude if you like he was dead serious like we need to find a way to purposely make people intolerant of eating meat so that people are eating less you dropped me off on a on a beach somewhere on a deserted island with a hundred pounds of beef jerky and a fresh supply of water and a couple good books and said see you in three years

01:14:29

I'd be like I'm in heaven let's go I don't know what do you think Keith about that I don't know what are we talking about I don't

01:14:37

I don't think I could live off beef jerky oh you were going in that you went we were started with chemtrails oh yeah and then we went okay yeah different types of I don't know

01:14:49

I think I think I think you could I think you could definitely be doing something with the air that's that's just my thought yeah okay well regardless there is air pollution regardless of if they're spraying it from planes or whatever that's true too so you know factories and automobiles and you know just different aerosols that are being sprayed into the air so remember the whole ozone were you guys all remember the ozone scare of like the 90s like oh there's a hole in the ozone we're all gonna burn the aquanet scare yeah the aquanet and then it just went away like oh

01:15:16

I guess we sold less hairspray we're good now they fixed it yeah yeah all right let's finish up here with crazy one that you can't get on board with let's all say

01:15:27

I'm rapid -fire and then we'll figure out which one we want to talk about one that you just go okay even if it's interesting or peaks your interest you're like I just can't get on board with that yet I don't think it's a possibility what do you think

01:15:41

I don't think this piques my interest the only reason it piqued my interest is because that my son had told me about it but he said that birds aren't real and I look into all kinds of different information just for fun but I'd never heard this one and I guess

01:15:59

I shoot pheasants all the time dude I'll tell you they're the conspiracy is that all birds are were killed like in the early 50s 40s and that now they're surveillance drones basically there's no way that people believe this but apparently it was it was it's satirical um the guy just made it up but apparently people still believe this even though it right there that yeah people will just believe yeah it's about anything birds aren't real yeah

01:16:33

I just shot a bird just a couple months ago I ate it that bird was real what do you think

01:16:39

Keith what's your crazy one we were like yeah I can't it's out there and I can't get on board with it mine's gonna start a fight and I don't know you got a box cutter yeah you better get your insurance no

01:16:56

Steven Seagal is actually a good martial artist no that's not it that's not it that's not no

01:17:03

I didn't say good run I said it was a real martial artist he's a poor guy looks like the monster that ate

01:17:13

Steven Seagal now he's a little a little heavy but anyway now my crazy one that I don't believe in but I I I don't want to fight about it but I just I can't get on board with flat earth but that's the that's the one that was mine yeah so it interests me because I love the idea of a firmament yeah

01:17:33

I love the idea of a dome I love the idea of the conspiracy theory of like they go up to Antarctica oh there's this 13 -mile ice wall and we can't get over it yeah that they went up that Admiral Byrd went up there and got pushed back and got crazy beat up by who knows what during World War two that's part of the hollow earth theory to our earth and then also the fact that we just like right around that same time all the country signed a pact it was like no one can ever go there ever again what's that all about you know

01:18:02

I think some of the the flat earth stuff where it's like oh I zoomed out and I can still see there's no curvature

01:18:09

I think that can be debunked pretty easily I've seen some stuff that debunks that but the whole thing with like the

01:18:16

NASA thing with the Van Allen belts and like we just lost all the technology on how to go to the moon yeah

01:18:22

I and now we're going to Mars but we won't go back to the moon it's like dude the moon's 280 ,000 miles away go to the moon then if you're gonna go to the moon like oh no we're going to try for the next 30 years to get to Mars that seems all kind of weird to me

01:18:36

I know it's getting off a flat earth but that goes to the fact of people who believe flat earth also believe the firmament is over it and we've never even really went into space yeah that it's all been faked

01:18:46

I don't know that's a hard one for me to get on board with but it's like to yeah so do we all yeah

01:18:51

I don't know maybe I've been indoctrinated with we all been around global earth videos but that's a hard my friend put that on Facebook I literally thought he was joking like I thought and then he's like no

01:19:06

I'm dead serious and I watch the videos on it and like you said there's some interesting things but I I don't know so I can't do it here's the thing for me really quick before you jump in Keith is in this area

01:19:18

I have not done enough study yeah looked at enough stuff and I'm not nearly smart enough to explain all the gravitational stuff and the earth spinning and going through space and how tides work

01:19:29

I'm like dude I don't even know yeah you could I could have grown up in flat earth and I then we go

01:19:34

I can't believe in globe I'm like that dumb about yeah kind of how that works that's where I'm at on that what do you think it well you mentioned the moon so I'll just throw it out there the the conspiracy theory that none of us mentioned was have have we or have we not really been to the moon if we truly did go to the moon we have photographs of the earth from the moon which show that the understanding of the round globe earth is true if those photographs are real right you also have to believe we didn't go to the moon then yeah oh yeah that's that was my next point is yeah yeah those go hand in hand

01:20:13

I do have issues with them the moon landing my biggest issue is kind of what you said earlier about the phone call on 9 -11 how is it that we get clear crystal clear phone call with the president from the moon but I can't call somebody from my house it's over here

01:20:32

Keith isn't doing conspiracy theories he's like working out new bits I do love the fact that what was it

01:20:44

Alan the second guy who was it was a buzz Aldrin punched the guy punch because the guy said he never went to the moon and I was like even if he never went to the moon

01:20:56

I still respect them I respect the man who could throw hands Norm MacDonald has a great bit about that too about astronauts he's like 12 men have walked on the moon and he's like who's walked on the moon he goes you got buzz

01:21:09

Aldrin you've got the alarm strong he goes and then you don't even know the third guy no he goes you know the 10th the 10th guy that walked on the moon's like what the heck do

01:21:19

I gotta do around here because meanwhile we know all the Kardashians you know he's like yeah we don't know who that is who didn't get to get out of the the capsule he had to stay in the hole he's on the moon he's he's six feet away from making history he's like nope you don't get to get out we didn't bring enough suits for you yes well he was probably thinking

01:21:49

I'm on the moon people will remember me step on and then even then they don't even remember the 12 people

01:21:55

I think what the moon conspiracy really quick I think that has been given some credence because I think there was some

01:22:01

PR work done being done by the government in the space race I think we probably went to the moon but there there's definitely edited photos and we spruced up some stuff because we wanted to get out there to the

01:22:13

Soviets that hey we're there and look how great it looks so I think some there was there's some truth in it that we probably toyed around with some of the images we probably said some stuff we exaggerated some stuff that we did there but man that would be such a massive conspiracy yeah to never well and NASA funnels millions and millions of dollars a year so I mean there would be motive for that if it wasn't but then again you know a few years ago and they said yeah

01:22:40

Ellen DeGeneres is a paid CIA agent and she's there to talk about you know keep everyone's fears calmed about wars and spying and stuff like that I was like oh well geez

01:22:50

I never saw that coming but now that's died who knows do oh that's that I've never heard of it oh yeah remember when she did the whole she had someone on and did like a 45 -minute thing on the

01:23:00

Las Vegas shooting and she had like a pointer and everyone's like why is this on Ellen and then like six months later the

01:23:06

CIA released some paperwork so well we have paid people in Hollywood they put us in a good light like the producer of the

01:23:14

Jack Ryan series on prime with the guy from the office I can't remember his name they have like what's that Jim so he's he's paid to kind of write the

01:23:30

CIA they're always the hero in all their movies right yeah I know the CIA has fun funded movies before yeah and so Ellen DeGeneres is a paid entertainment kind of operative she's not like doing spy missions there to like she's a influencer influencer within that space oh they were paying people during COVID they were paying influencers to push the the

01:23:50

COVID vaccine yeah so there's crazy stuff out there where I would never think is real and then you find out you go oh my gosh there's some weird crazy stuff going on in the background so flat earth was yours what was yours again birds are real real oh man flat earth was mine too so now

01:24:07

I don't know I don't know another crazy one that I can't get on board with is trying to think of them

01:24:17

I don't know I mean the operation fishbowl where we nuked a bunch of stuff in the sky that's actually real if we did it over Hawaii but we were like let's do a little

01:24:29

South Hawaii so people don't get flash blindness that was the actual reason they were like go a little farther south so if they look at it they just get blind for like a couple minutes and not for days it's in the actual paperwork so they set off a bunch of nukes that's but I'm thinking of that because that's flat earth flat earth people go because basically what happened was is they they were gonna set them off in space they got to a certain level just blew up oh and then when the particles spread out it went into like a dome and they couldn't figure out why and all the flat earth people go ah see can't get past the firmament yeah

01:25:02

I think that was called operation fishbowl if you wanted to anyone listening a lot of operations going on I just think about the game operation

01:25:15

I don't know I tell you what you want to you want to talk about adrenaline and being under pressure is being a little seven -year -old your hands shaking like this for the wind and you're like if I could just get this bone out without touching because that buzz seemed so loud did it give you a physical vibration or no yeah it might have felt like that because yeah it lit up his nose that's what it was yeah all right so let's let's put let's wrap this up so we had a bunch of different crazy conspiracies that we talked about some of them could be some truth to are there anyone's out there right now that's a conspiracy theory that you 100 % believe like yep

01:26:02

I don't know how to explain it it's technically conspiracy theory but I'm on board with it is there any of those or are we all just kind of like well it could be

01:26:11

I need some more information you don't I mean like it's kind of how I approach I'm pessimistic or realist

01:26:17

I would say naturally but I don't think that they're as far as the jabby jab

01:26:24

I don't think they're fully going into the some of the side effects of that I don't know if they're doing enough studies on on things that potentially could be caused by that oh yeah

01:26:36

I okay yeah because some some probably people on the left would say well that's a conspiracy theory that you think they're hiding information or no

01:26:42

I think there's some there's some I mean we just don't have enough time or enough yeah yeah people to test it on basically we were the test run what do you think

01:26:51

Keith is there any active conspiracy theories out there that you go yeah I'm on board with them yeah I think January 6th all the stuff surrounding

01:26:58

January 6th after the election I think there's I think people were let into those buildings

01:27:05

I think it was purposeful to make Republicans look like they were trying to take over the

01:27:11

United States I think I honestly I think the entire thing is overblown and when

01:27:17

I hear people say oh this was an attempted insurrection I think it's ridiculous especially with the new videos that just got released just a few days ago yeah that's a couple guys they had a little

01:27:27

Trump gear on and they're flashing their badges to get through and then they're letting people in yep no that's a that's a good one and it's ironic that Tucker Carlson got fired at when he was gonna talk about that yeah release it

01:27:40

I think that's another one Keith to your point like never let a good crisis go to waste right like the

01:27:46

Dems go look at these are mostly Trump guys and they're in the party let's use this to you know when

01:27:53

I hear somebody like Bill Maher talking about how how scary and dangerous it was on January 6th and how this was a real

01:27:59

I'm like you know Bill Maher says some things that I actually like sometimes but that just shows that even

01:28:05

I mean it's out of out of there it's out there yeah all right cool so what's the final word do you think

01:28:13

Keith what we're gonna throw this to you since you're the pastor in the room well how should Christians view conspiracy theories should we dabble in them should we ignore them completely should we look at them and read them through a certain worldview lens is it okay to you know kind of look at them as a believer like what do you think

01:28:29

I think that's a that's a very good question because I have had in my own life and ministry had to deal with people who they find so much fascination in conspiracy theories that they can't they can't pull themselves out of that to have any real real engagement with their brothers and sisters in Christ because that's all they want to talk about that's all they want to do that's all they want to see this mass conspiracy around them and I try to say but wait a minute is

01:29:00

God not still sovereign is God still not sovereign in the midst of this craziness and can we not find some comfort and peace in his will that's being worked out even in the midst of all these people who are trying to thwart his will through their foolish you know that the

01:29:16

Bible says that he sits in the on his throne and laughs and so can't we just like we've been laughing a lot today can't we sit back for a moment and just laugh and say

01:29:24

God's got this God's going to handle this and even if there is a grand conspiracy to make sure that we never have a righteous election in our nation again can't we at least say that whoever's in charge is there by the divine appointment of God to either bring our good or our judgment because he is working out his will throughout the world so so that's that's what

01:29:44

I would say as a pastor we got it we got to trust the Lord even in the midst of crisis and crazy yeah amen dude that was that's a that's a good bow tie right there

01:29:53

Keith tell everyone where they can find you well I'm sorry right now

01:30:03

I kind of want to come hang out dude it looks like a cool hangout place this is my theo shed

01:30:09

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01:30:25

awesome johnny you want to tell anyone where you got any social medias where you hang out or discuss stuff or no no here with Greg all right cool guys thanks so much for sitting down and doing this this was fun

01:30:38

I think I learned a lot too and I don't know man just remember too that most of your the people who believe in all the conspiracy theories are dispensationalists usually so just I'm just kidding

01:30:53

I'm kidding Andrew Rappaport we're talking about you no I say that because Keith's on which actually

01:30:59

I just uploaded that to the fight laugh feast network and I got so many comments on that they like dude we love that episode with you and Andrew and Keith and one guy messaged me and he's like I really like this

01:31:11

Keith guy I don't I've never heard of him I said you got to go check him out so I sent someone your way too off that episode but yeah guys thanks so much for listening and I know

01:31:20

I just mentioned fight laugh feast but I am now on the fight laugh feast network invited on last week we're working on getting everything uploaded to pub

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TV the app for the video and the audio but you can find us in the fight laugh feast feed anywhere you get podcasts but of course you can get this podcast anywhere you get podcasts too so we're gonna be doing some more stuff with some of those guys as we move forward to since they'll be on our network with about eight or nine other shows but other than that nothing really changes

01:31:46

I'm going to pick out who I want to be on talk what we want to talk about have fun stuff like this like conspiracy theories and then who knows get into learn a theological discussions with scholars and pastors and things like that so it'll still be the same array of weird crazy stuff that we do here on the podcast but just a little bit different with what network we're on and who it's getting pushed out to some additional people will get to hear the podcast as well being on that network so guys thanks so much for hanging out with us for the hour and a half

01:32:15

Keith thanks from so much for being on yes sir glad to do it I love that he gave a salute on an audio podcast as if it didn't say anything for five seconds

01:32:28

I do video all the time so that's me yeah

01:32:33

I'll be on the lookout for my be on the lookout for my debate upcoming with Spencer Smith on is the rapture before the tribulation so that's coming in December yeah and then after that in February I'm going to see you down in Tullahoma where you're going to be speaking at the why

01:32:48

Calvinism podcast with Jeffrey Rice so yeah and I'm advertising for that right now so if you listen to this podcast you already heard the advertisement at the top of the show but check

01:32:59

Keith out there because he's going to be recording those as well too and I know you're going to bring the fire just like you did last year I'm excited to see you over there you too brother

01:33:06

John thanks for coming in and hanging out with us welcome dude I love that you came prepared you got the laptop we're looking stuff up we're talking stuff but anytime you want to come back to in studio

01:33:15

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