Atheists are dependent upon God

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That's your claim. You haven't proven that to me. Well, that's your claim. Prove to me, prove to me that you must have belief in God in order to be justified in using past events to predict future events.

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Are you ready for it? Sure. I'm gonna give it to you right now. Sure. The very fact that you're asking me for proof demonstrates the existence of my

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God and the fact that you know Him. That is the... Hey, can I finish James? Let me finish. Go for it. Sure, sure. Because you're demanding proof, all proof has to have induction, that the future will be like the past.

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In order for you to even be asking for proof, you have to believe that nature is uniform and that the future is gonna be like the past.

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You're asking me for proof, which is at its basis asking for something that's built on uniformity in nature, and yet your worldview militates against that.

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I can give you a basis for uniformity in nature and therefore proof, but you're asking for proof and you believe that you're just cosmic stardust moving around in a time and chance universe.

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You can't believe that tomorrow will be like today. And I still don't see where God comes into any of that. I don't see where God comes into any of what you're saying.

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Here's the thing. I have a reason for... Well, again, you have an answer to what I just said to you, so now we're moving on to the next one.

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But I asked you to prove why God... I just did. Ready? I'm gonna say it to you again. Okay. You're asking me for proof.

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All proof has at its basis a necessity of the uniformity in nature and that the future is gonna be like the past.

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I'm saying ultimately to you right now, James, that you're living like a Christian. You're living like you know God because you're demanding proof, but that requires that nature is uniform.

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So you're saying that in order for anybody to be justified in asking for any proof of anything whatsoever, they have to believe in God.

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And if you don't believe... I'm saying the very fact that you're asking... Oh, the last finish? Yeah. And if you don't believe in God, then you have no justification for ever asking anybody to prove anything.

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I'm saying that when you have... Yes or no? Yes or no? I'm answering you. Yes. So yes, you can't ask for proof if you don't believe in God.

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I'm saying that yes, I'm saying that you're asking for proof is demonstrating the internal collapse of your whole system because you're demanding proof, but you've already agreed that you don't have any future justification for uniformity, and yet you demand proof.

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So it seems like what you're saying is because we don't know stuff, because we can't explain everything, such as the uniformity of the universe...

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No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you live in the world every moment, every second, at this very instance, you're living depending upon the uniformity of nature, and your world humiliates against it every moment you step in this world.

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Yeah, see, and I don't see that, and you have not convinced me of that. Time and chance acting on matter doesn't give rise to uniformity.

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Well, apparently it does. I mean, science operates on uniformity and without a presumption of God.

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No, no, no. People who are image... We know this because... I'll answer that. People who are image bearers of God act as scientists assuming uniformity because they know him, but they don't have a justification for what they're doing.

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So you're saying that scientists who verify uniformity, causality, is basically what you're talking about.

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Scientists who verify uniformity and causality know God, but they don't know that he is. No, no.

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They know God, but like me, before Christ, we're all sinners, and we suppress the truth of God. And I mean this with respect, but James...

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Okay, but then there's another... Wait, wait, wait. There's a huge leap you just made, because up until this point, we've been talking about, oh, therefore

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God, and now it's like... No, I've never said that. I've never said that. I've never said, therefore God. You're wrong.

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You're saying something I didn't say. I've never said, therefore God. I'm saying your problem is, as an atheist, is that you're not starting with God.