Sam Allberry and Same Sex Attraction
Sam Allberry's views on Same Sex Attraction have been controversial for years. Within the evangelical movement, Allberry proports to value singles and same-sex attracted people while still holding a high position of marriage and family. This is attractive to many who want orthodox doctrine without what they see as a stereotypical judgmental attitude.
Unfortunately, Sam Allberry's theology was more than inadequate. It lead people to make peace with a sinful orientation and receive consequences for those sins as if the consequences were signs of sacrificial godliness.
There is a better way for those who struggle with same-sex attraction, homosexual orientation, gay feelings, or whatever term they use to describe their sinful desires.
00:00 - Intro Montage: Sam Allberry Clips on Same-Sex Attraction & Temptation
04:03 - Welcome & News: Allberry's Resignation from Immanuel Church & Removal from Gospel Coalition
07:00 - Background on Sam Allberry's Influence in Evangelical Circles
08:55 - Immanuel Church Elders' Statement on the Inappropriate Relationship
11:58 - Gospel Coalition Response & Broader Context
14:40 - Critique of Living Out Church Audit & Normalizing SSA
18:00 - Theological Problems with Allberry's Approach to Identity & Temptation
23:35 - Biblical View of Pathos, Desire & Mortifying Sin
28:30 - Warnings on Broken Identities & Platforming Personal Struggle
34:58 - The Importance of God-Given Roles, Family & Stabilizing Forces
42:50 - Rosaria Butterfield on Identity in Christ & Mortifying Sin
47:50 - Q&A, Listener Comments & Closing Thoughts
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A yw 'n ymdrech i gael y gallu i fod yn ymdrech i bobl o 'r un sefydliad?
A byddwn i 'n dweud, ar hyn o bryd, dydw i ddim yn meddwl ei bod yn ymdrech. Byddwn i 'n ymdrech i gael y gallu i fod yn ymdrech i bobl o 'r un sefydliad.
Mae 'n ymdrech i gael y gallu i fod yn ymdrech i bobl o 'r un sefydliad. Dydyn ni ddim yn ymdrech i ddewis y ffordd y mae 'r ymdrech yn ei wneud.
Ond mae 'n ymdrech i 'r ffaith ein bod ni 'n ymdrech. Mae 'n ymdrech i ddewis y ffordd y mae 'r ymdrech yn ei wneud.
Mae 'n ymdrech i ddewis y ffordd y mae 'r ymdrech yn ei wneud. Mae 'n ymdrech i ddewis y ffordd y mae 'r ymdrech yn ei wneud.
Nid yw 'r ymdrech ei hun yn ymdrech. Rwy 'n hapus iawn bod ni 'n byw mewn ddiwylliant lle gall pobl fod yn agos am eu sefydliad.
Felly i 'n ffrindiau ddiddorol, rhan o 'r ymdrech o 'r ddiddorol yw 'r syniad, nad ydyn ni 'n rhaid i ni ymdrechu llawer mwy, ac rydw i eisiau hyfforddi hynny.
Fel unig person, gyda chyfathrebu mwy i ddiddorol sy 'n dod â hynny, mae yna ffyrdd o ddiddorol rydw i 'n cael ei profi nad ydych chi.
Iawn, mae hynny 'n wir. Felly, nid ydyn ni 'n cael ymdrech i ddiddorol.
Rydw i 'n dod yn ôl i, rwy 'n gwybod bod y brydgrwm, dydw i ddim yn gwneud gwahaniaeth.
Dydw i ddim yn cael y cyfnod cyffredinol o 'r cofnod y mae 'r ymarfer yn ei dylunio i fod.
Dydw i ddim yn cael yr ymdrech, ond dydw i 'n cael yr ymdrech. Ac mae 'r ymdrech yn dda iawn, dydw i 'n gallu gwblhau 'r ymarfer.
Felly, os ydw i 'n cael y brydgrwm, dydw i ddim yn rhaid i 'r holl ymarfer gwledig, pob un o 'r pethau hynny.
Mewn gwirionedd, dydw i 'n cael yr ymarfer. Mae hynny 'n sylweddol iawn i mi.
Dydw i 'n dod yn ôl i 'r ymarfer, sy 'n sylweddol diwylliannol i ddod yn ôl i 'r ymarfer.
Mae yna storïau ar hyn o bryd y dydw i 'n ei ddod yn ôl i 'r ymarfer. Mae 'n ymarfer gwledig, ond roeddwn i 'n meddwl, mewn gwirionedd, roeddwn i 'n mynd i 'w ddod yn ôl i 'r ymarfer hwn, oherwydd rwy 'n cael ei ddod yn ôl.
Rwy 'n cynnwys rhywun. Ac mae 'n adroddiad dynol iawn iawn i mi, bod y brydgrwm yn mynd i mi.
Felly, gadewch i ni siarad amdano. Rwy 'n hoffi hynny, er enghraifft. Rwy 'n hoffi hynny. Mae 'n well. Roedd y ddysgu o
Jesus ar ymarfer a 'r rhwydweithiau ddim yn gyfrifol. Ond nid yw 'r hyn rydw i 'n ei ddysgu yma arbennigol.
Nid yw 'r ffaith ei bod wedi penderfynu, wel, rydw i wedi penderfynu fy mod i ddod â 'r ymarfer hwn a ddod â 'r ymarfer hwn. Nawr, os edrychwch ar y
Bible fel cyfan, os edrychwch ar y rhaglen o 'r Bible fel cyfan, un o 'r pethau rydyn ni 'n sylweddoli yw bod y cysylltiad gyda dyn a dyn yn ymarfer sy 'n cyd -destun y byd.
Mae 'n dod i 'r ches i 'r peth gwych y mae God yn ei wneud yn y byd. Mae 'n dylunio pobl i 'w ffrind,
Jesus Christ, ac mae 'r cysylltiad gyda dyn a dyn yn ffotograff o 'r cyfathrebu perffaith gyda 'i bobl bydd
Jesus yn ei gael. Welcome to the Conversations, That Matter Podcast.
I'm your host, John Harris. Rwy 'n gobeithio y bydd pob un yn ei wneud 'n dda. Roedd gen i ddewis ychydig o gysylltiad yno ar y dechrau, felly, gobeithio y byddai 'r montage wedi chwarae, rydyn ni 'n gallu clywed iddyn nhw, mae yna dim ond rhwydweithiau dros y blynyddoedd o 'r nifer o bethau y mae
Sam Albury wedi dweud ar podcastau a 'r cyfrifiadau. Sam Albury, wrth gwrs, yn y newydd ar hyn o bryd, oherwydd y ffaith nad yw e wedi ymdrech o 'r ysgol, ysgol
Emanuel yng Nghaerfyrdd, ond hefyd wedi 'i allu o 'r wefan ymgynghoriad y gogledd a 'r ysgol
Cellor, a byddwn i 'n ddangos yr hyn rydw i 'n ei ddweud o hynny. Yn y ffaith, os ydych chi 'n mynd i 'r wefan ymgynghoriad y gogledd ar hyn o bryd, ac rydych chi 'n ceisio darganfod
Sam Albury, dyma beth y byddwch chi 'n darganfod nad oes un yno o 'r enw Sam Albury sydd o unrhyw adroddiadau.
Felly maen nhw 'n gwneud eiddo o 'r wefan eu hunain. Rwy 'n credu y gallwn ysgrifennu rhwng y llinellau. Rydym yn gwybod beth sy 'n digwydd.
Mae yna ddiddordeb sexual, ond nid ydynt yn cael eu hysbysu ar unrhywbeth sy 'n digwydd, dim ond y byddai hynny 'n ddiddorol iawn i 'w gadael o 'r sefyllfaoedd yma a 'r wefanau.
Felly rwy 'n mynd i ddechrau ar y dechrau, ac yna rwy 'n mynd i roi i chi rywfaint, efallai, o ddeallu beth sy 'n digwydd yma, beth, pam oedd
Sam Albury wedi 'i hyrwyddo i 'r sefyllfaoedd a oedd wedi 'i hyrwyddo i. Yr hyn rwy 'n ei ddweud o hynny yw, roedd yn ymwneud â byw, y
Cynulliad Gwasanaethau, Ysgrifennwyr Ysgrifennol Robbie Zacharias, Ysgrifennwyr Ysgrifennol Robbie Zacharias, rwy 'n cofio, efallai, roeddwn i mewn trwy gwasanaeth pan roeddwn i ym
Mhrifysgol Llyfrgell ac roedd yna gwasanaeth o fyny, rwy 'n meddwl y gallwch ddweud, roedd yn y trwy gwasanaeth ac roedd e 'n hoff iawn o
Sam Albury, roedd e 'n hoff iawn o apogedigwyr ac roeddwn i 'n meddwl o Sam Albury, roedd e 'r ffyrdd fwyaf i fynd i, roedd e 'n un o 'r ffyrdd fwyaf pan oedd yn mynd i 'r math o homosegwaliaeth, ac os oedd y cyrllid eisiau mynd i ddysgu sut i ymweld â 'r broblem hon, roedden nhw eisiau rhoi awgrymu pob un o 'u sylwadau cynllunol ac oedd gwasanaethau ffyrdd fwyaf ac edrychwch ar yr hyn sy 'n cael ei ddweud
Sam Albury oherwydd roedd e 'n gallu gwneud dau pethau. Y cyntaf, roedd e 'n gallu haesu ymarferiaeth a chadw orthodoxiaeth byblogaidd, ac y cyntaf, roedd e 'n gallu bod yn gyffredinol a helpu
Christiaid i ymdrechu eu hunain ac roedd y cyntaf, roedd e 'n gallu bod yn gyffredinol a helpu Christiaid i ymdrechu eu hunain ac roedd yna ddewis ar y cyntaf, ac rwy 'n credu bod yna ddewis ar gyfer llawer o chyntaf, yn enwedig ym mhob ddwyrau, i wneud y peth hwnnw.
Felly rwy 'n credu ei fod yn bwysig i siarad amdanyn nhw, ac rydw i 'n mynd i 'w ymdrechu o gwbl o 30 ,000 ffyrdd, ond y cyntaf, rwy 'n eisiau i chi wybod y sylwadau o beth sy 'n digwydd.
Felly, os ydych chi 'n gallu, gwnewch i mi ddod o 'r ysgrifennu, os ydych chi 'n ysgrifennu 'n byw, gwnewch i mi ddweud eich bod chi yma. Os oes gennych cwestiynau, gwnewch i mi ddweud.
Rwy 'n eisiau gwneud yn siŵr bod yr audio a 'r fideo yn gweithio 'n dda, oherwydd roedd gen i rai broblemau gysylltiadol ar y dechrau. A byddwn i 'n dweud hefyd, byddwn i 'n dweud hyn yn gyffredinol yn gyflym, roedd yn dda iawn i weld rai ohonoch chi, ar y diwrnod ar y cyfarfodydd.
Mae fy nghyfrifiad, yn amlwg, wedi 'i gosod ar -lein os ydych chi eisiau mynd i YouTube neu iTunes ar y sefydliad o 'r cerdd yn 2026.
Ac roeddwn i 'n cael amser ffantastig gyda 'r broffurion sydd wedi dod allan i hynny, a 'u chweithwyr. Ac os ydych chi eisiau cefnogi fi mewn unrhyw ffordd, gallwch chi gofyn, neu gallwch chi mynd i 'r gysylltiadau yn y sefydliad gysylltiadol a cefnogi fi yno hefyd.
Felly, mae Darren Mell yn y stream. Byddaf yn ddiolchgar, ond Darren Mell yw rhywun rydw i 'n cael ar y podcast o 'r blaen, rhywun sydd wedi dod allan o 'r syniad a 'r byd yr ydym yn mynd i siarad amdanyn nhw heddiw, mae ganddyn nhw dda iawn, dda iawn o 'u teulu, mae 'n ymgyrchu.
Mae 'n dweud, yn ddiolch, rydych chi 'n ymddangos hyn, John, rydych chi 'n cael llawer o farchnad, ac mae hyn yn ysgrifennol, rydych chi wedi bod yn ymgyrchu a 'n gwybod, yn siarad yr holl amser, nid yn unig ar y podcast neu 'r syniad.
Rwy 'n gobeithio hynny, Darren. Wrth gwrs, rydych chi wedi bod yn ysbrydol gwych i mi, ac, wrth gwrs, yn ymgyrchu 'r mater hwn yn ymddygiadol a 'i helpu pobl i ddeall beth sy 'n ei gynnwys.
Felly, mae, rhaid i mi ddweud bod llawer o bobl eraill na fi sy 'n ymgyrchu ar hyn a maen nhw 'n deall gwych, ac mae
Darren Mills yn un o 'r bobl hynny. Mae Jared Moore yn un arall. Mae wedi ysgrifennu llyfr amdanyn nhw, ac rydw i wedi clywed iddyn nhw ar y podcast.
Rwy 'n credu ei bod yn mynd i gael arddangosfa yn dod allan ar TruthScript heddiw neu ysgrifennu am hyn. Rwy 'n sylweddoli bod Michael Clarey wedi cael arddangosfa.
Dydw i ddim wedi ei ddysgu ar hyn, ond mae 'n ymddygiadol ar ei ddangosfa. Ac mae llawer o bobl sy 'n ceisio siarad yr alarm ar hyn.
Michael Foster, ac mae 'r
Associate Family of America wedi 'i ymddygiadu. Felly, roedd Ysgol Emanuel yng Nghaerdydd yn ysgrifennu ar ddatganiad o 'r golygau.
Ac mae 'n dweud, Ysgol Emanuel ym 2024 oedd yn cael ei gwybod o 'r ysgrifennwyr Sam Albury ynghylch ei ymgysylltu mewn gysylltiad anhygoel gyda dyn dynol yn 2022.
Mae 'r gysylltiad hwn wedi 'i cyflwyno yn ogystal â Sam yn cael ei ysgrifennu fel ysgrifennwyr i Emanuel yn 2023. Nawr, yno, ymdrechion sy 'n rhoi i chi mwy na fflag hawdd, mwy na fflag hawdd, byddwn i 'n ei ddweud.
Mae 'n fflag hawdd. Beth ydych chi 'n ei ddweud bod yna ymdrechion? Mae hwn yn ymdrechion cyfrifiad o ran unrhyw fath.
Mae 'n fy ysgrifennu i mi ychydig o Steve Lawson pan oedd pethau 'n cyflwyno 'n gynt ac yna roedd hi fel drip, drip, drip, hyd yn oed i sut oedd e 'n anhygoel a 'n dda iawn.
Mae hyn yn ymdrechion cyfrifiad mae 'n rhoi i chi iaith gyffredin ond mae 'n dda iawn mae 'n rhaid iddyn nhw ddod allan o 'r wefan
Gwasanaeth Gwasanaeth Yn unrhyw fath, yn cael eu gwneud yn ymwybodol ymdrechion cyfrifiad ymdrechion cyfrifiad ac ar ôl cydnabod y wybodaeth sydd ar gael ar hyn o bryd a 'r ymdrechion o
Sam a 'r rhai eraill, mae 'r ymdrechion yn ymdrechion nad oedd gwneud ymdrechion am yr ymdrechion hwn sydd ddim wedi cael ei ddysgwyl yn y blynyddoedd
Mae 'r ymdrechion hwn yn ymdrechion ymdrechion yr ymdrechion hynny sy 'n rhoi 'r ymdrechion i 'w gynllunio er mwyn i 'r ymdrechion ddim mynd ymlaen fel y gallai mae ymdrechion
Sam yn ymdrechion ymdrechion gwirioneddol ac rwy 'n credu bod hynny 'n gyffredin ymdrechion gwirioneddol ac ymdrechion i ddod yn ffordd ddiddorol i 'r ymdrechion
Mae 'r ymdrechion yn unanig yn eu penderfyniad y mae Sam yn ymdrechion o 'r ymdrechion gwirioneddol ac mae Sam yn cymryd penderfyniad ac mae 'n ymdrechion o 'r ymdrechion
Emanuel Yn y broses hwn mae Sam wedi bod yn ymdrechon yn hygyrch a chyhoeddiwr Felly, dwi 'n meddwl, mae hynny 'n dda i 'w clywed gyda 'r ymdrechion yn y cyngor allan
Mae 'r ymdrechion yn ymdrechion i ddysgu am Sam fel Brif Weinidog Christus a member o Emanuel, byddwn yn dal i gynyddu Sam a 'r rhai eraill gyda 'r cynghoriad, ac rydyn ni wedi 'i ddysgu mewn hyn o bryd y byddwn yn yn gallu ei adnabod mewn ymddygiad o ddiogelwch i 'r ymgysylltiad cyfansoddol yn y
Chwaraeon Galatian 6 -1, sy 'n ymddygiad iawn, yn ogystal â 'r hyn sy 'n ei ddweud ar y diwedd yma, ond wrth gwrs, mae 'n tyfu llawer o gwestiynau am beth am ddechrau hyn, ac mae 'r ysgol
Emanuel yng Nghaerdydd yn ysgol cyffredin cyffredin. Mae Russell Moore yn ei gynhyrchu yma nawr, mae 'n rhan o 'r hyn sy 'n amlwg yw hyn yw 'r ysgol lle oedd
Sam Albury yn ymddygiad cyfansoddol Barnabas Piper John Piper's son, felly maen nhw 'n bobl cyffredin iawn yma, mae 'n ymddygiad yma, mae 'r ymddygiad syniadol yw
TJ Symms. Nawr, os ydych chi 'n ysgrifennu i 'r dda, mae gennych, mae 'n rhaid i chi ddod trwy llawer o bobl, mae 'n ysgol gwych, mae 'n rhaid i chi ddod trwy llawer o bobl yma.
Gweithwyr a bywydau. Gweithwyr a bywydau yw aelodau yn dda sydd wedi cael eu hyrwyddo i 'r ysgol cyffredin ac sy 'n cydweithio â 'r
Llywodraeth, yn amlwg allan o Emanuel trwy eu hysbysiad â 'r ysgolau. Felly, mae Gavin Ortland yn un o 'r bobl hynny, mae
Russell Moore yn un o 'r bobl hynny, ac mae Dr Ray Ortland yn un o 'r bobl hynny. Roedd y bobl yn gweld bod yna gysylltiad sydd ei angen ei ymweld â.
Roeddent yn ei ymweld â, ac er bai unrhyw ffordd, roeddent yn meddwl, na, nid yw 'n llawer iawn, nid yw 'n ddifrifolio.
Gall Sam Albury fod yn ffwrddwr yma. Mae hynny 'n amlwg llawer, yn amlwg. Ac yna, mae 'n dweud, yn ddiweddar, na, nid oedd e 'n eithaf hawdd gyda ni am yr hyn sy 'n digwydd.
Ac mae hynny 'n ymateb sy 'n cael ei wneud i 'r broblem mwyaf hynny nawr. Mae Gospel Coalition, wrth gwrs, wedi dod allan, ac mae ganddyn nhw ddatganiad byr.
Gwnaeth TGC ymhwynebu 'n ddiweddaraf gan Sam Albury am gysylltiad anhygoel gyda nifer o bobl arall ychydig mlynedd yn ôl, ac yna fe wnaeth anwybyddiaeth yn cael ei wneud heddiw ar y
Church Emanuella ynghylch ei gynhyrchu fel pastor. Yn ogystal â hyn, wnaeth hi hefyd ymhwynebu fel aelod o Ysgol Cynulliad Cymdeithasol ar gyfer apologethiaethau diwylliannol.
Yn ystod y prosesau a 'r ymddygiadau ynghylch GGC, fe wnaethon ni ddechrau ymhwynebu yr holl ddatganiad o Sam o 'n wefan a chanolaethau ddatganiadau eraill, ac fe wnaethon ni ddiddorio 'r adroddiad hwn pan oedd cynghoriaeth y
Church wedi 'i gwybod. Rydyn ni 'n bwysig iawn drwy 'r wybodaeth hon, ac rydyn ni 'n ymddangos i gobeithio am Sam, y Church Emanuella, a phob un sy 'n effeithio.
Roedd hi 'n ymwneud â Tim Keller, felly roedden nhw 'n dda iawn. Ac fel rydw i wedi dweud, roedd yn cael ei hyrwyddo yn yr holl sefydliadau evangeligol fel ffyrddwyr i fynd ymlaen ar y mater hwn o gysylltiad â chanolaeth a chanolaeth.
Ac maen nhw yma, yn amlwg, yn cael eu cael ymlaen yn yr un ddathl, sydd wedi 'i helpu, mewn ei gynhyrchiadau, fel gofynwyr, gofynwyr, gofynwyr, byrwyr eraill i fynd ymlaen, sy 'n amlwg, yn anhygoel.
Rydw i 'n meddwl, felly, rydw i 'n meddwl ei fod yn hawdd i 'w ddweud, ac edrychwch, nid yw hyn unrhyw beth rwy 'n gallu ei weld mewn ffyrdd gynhyrchol sy 'n mynd allan ac rydw i 'n ei ddweud, dyna hi.
Rydw i 'n meddwl y byddwn yn ymdrechu â ni, ond rydw i 'n meddwl y byddwn yn gallu cyflawni, dros y blynyddoedd diwethaf, rydw i 'n meddwl y byddwn yn ymdrechu â ni. Rydw i 'n meddwl y byddwn yn gallu gwneud hyn, ac mae hyn yn amlwg 'r peth ddiwylliannol.
Rydw i ddim yn rhoi at fy hat academig ar y ffordd yma, rydw i 'n rhoi at fy hat Christian ar y ffordd yma, ac rydw i 'n dweud pob amser rydych chi 'n ymdrechu 'r ffyrdd o graig, fel y byddai, y bobl sydd wedi cael eu hystyried a yna ddigwydd yn yr ardalau y byddaient wedi cael eu hystyried, dydw i ddim angen i 'w ennill yr holl ennillau, rydych chi 'n gwybod eu hunain, ac yna pobl sy 'n solid sydd wedi dod yn amlwg mewn rhai cefnogaethau.
Yn amlwg, byddai, wrth gwrs, nad oes unrhyw beth yn amlwg mewn economi Gofan. Dwi 'n dweud hyn mewn fy nhad o 'r ysgol, ar ddiwrnod.
Gallwn fod wedi defnyddio body bocum a Charlie Kirk a rhai o 'r bobl sydd wedi mynd i ni, ac nid ydyn nhw yma, ac nid ydyn nhw 'n cael eu newid, dwi ddim yn gwybod, nid ydyn nhw 'n cael eu newid, dyna 'r broblem, nid ydyn nhw 'n cael eu newid, a 'r gogledd yw bod pobl yn mynd i ymuno â 'u gofannau lleol sydd yn ddefnyddiol ac yn ysgrifennu 'r iaith, ond ar y internet a 'r lefelau sefydliadol, nid ydyn nhw 'n cael newid, ac os ydych chi 'n darganfod newid, mae 'n rhywun rydych chi 'n edrych arno a 'ch bod yn dweud, dyma rhywun sydd, rwy 'n credu, sylwad arall.
Nid yw hyn ynghylch y gwaith, nid yw hyn rhywun sydd efallai i fod mewn yr ysgol, ac rydw i 'n gweld mwy a mwy a mwy o hynny.
Felly, wrth gwrs, rydyn ni wedi cael Sam Albury yn y coalition y gosgol, nid yno, nid yw 'r ffang yn cael ei ddarganfod os ydych chi 'n ceisio ei ddod i 'w gael, felly, yn ddiddorol iawn, maen nhw wedi 'i gwblhau 'n gyffredinol.
Roedd Tom Buck yn gosod ychydig am Sam Albury dros y blynyddoedd, ond dyma un o 5
Ogos 2025. Rwy 'n credu ei fod wedi dechrau yn 2019 yn mynd i mewn ar Sam, ond mae 'n ddweud y byddai 'r bywyd, a oedd y sefydliad y byddai
Sam yn cael ei ddarganfod yn dechrau, yn cael awdurdod ar gyfer y cosgolau, ac roedd
Tim Keller a Nancy Keller hefyd yn ymwneud â 'r awdurdod hwn, ac mae 'r awdurdod yn dweud pethau fel hyn, bydd eich cysylltiadau teulu 'ch cosgol yn cynnwys pobl sy 'n gallu cael eu lleoli
LGBTQ, i plus, ydynt yn cael eu hyfforddi â 'u unigol, yn ddiddorol, nid yn siŵr, iaeth drogadwyr neu adnoddau stereotypu ar gyfer grŵpau ddynion cysylltiadol, nid ydynt yn cael eu hyfforddi, o leiaf, neu yn ymddygiad, dwi 'n meddwl am ymddygiad, yn ymgynghori rhwng aelodau teulu 'r cosgol, yn ddiweddar, nid yn siŵr, pob un yn eich cosgol gwybod ein bod ni 'n profi 'r gwahaniaeth dynol, a 'n cael eu hyfforddi i ymddygiadu eu hunain, ymddygiadau dynol, nid yn siŵr, ac felly mae 'n mynd drwy hyn, sôn am gysylltiadau dynol, a ydyn nhw wedi cyflwyno nhw o gwbl,
You are all here. All your church are hearing the same call to radical self -sacrifice of themselves are all in your church encouraged to develop an identity founded first and foremost in their union with Christ.
A godly Christian sexual orientation would never prevent them from exercising their spiritual gifts or serving in leadership of your church.
God gifts of either singleness or marriage are equally promoted valued and practically supported in your church's family's life together.
And we only have two more church, sy 'n cyfrannu mynegiadau, y bemysgedau, y fathau, y peidioau, y dyniau, y blaen, a phlau, o ran dodladdau gwahanol i llegellau ac dynion.
Rydym ni yn dodlwyddiadau Llywodraeth, ac, yn ddolwyddiadur, byddwch chi ddim yn eich bwerfau i gydвалau neu i ddynnu unrhyw hylifau neu tawelau na fydd
Godus ni gydvaliad o unrhyw un o ni dod i 'r soldiad rydym ni 'n ei gael allan. Felly, deill. Felly, rhaid i mi ysgrifennu rhai o hyn ar gyfer chi.
Os ydych chi 'n ymwneud â 'r ymdrechion, os oes gennych ymdrechion ar gyfer homoseksualiaeth, yna dylech ddim fod yn cael ychydig, dylech ddim fod yr ymdrechion hwnnw yn cael ychydig, dylech fod mewn ffordd i normaliseio 'r ymdrechion, ychydig, i 'r hyn o bryd nad ydyn nhw 'n mynd i 'w gynhyrchu i 'w cael hyn yn golygu cyn i
Christus dod, dydych chi ddim yn cael yr ymdrechion hwnnw, felly dydych chi ddim yn cael ymdrech arno, a 'ch bod yn teimlo 'n bwysig, dydych chi ddim yn teimlo 'n bwysig yn dod allan, dim ond oherwydd eich bod chi 'n unig, oherwydd, ac nid yw hyn yn unig, oherwydd eich bod chi 'n unig, ond yn unig oherwydd eich bod chi 'n ymdrech o ymdrech unig, ac felly rydych chi 'n ymddangos, neu rydych chi 'n ymddangos eich hun, mewn rhyw ffordd o ymddangos ymarfer gyda rhywun o 'r ymdrech ar -lein.
Mae 'n golygu i wneud pobl yn teimlo 'n hyderus, ac rydw i wedi ddweud hynny cyn edrych, nid ydych chi 'n ei wneud gyda unrhyw ddiddordeb eraill, nid ydych chi 'n ei ddweud, yn enwedig, gadewch i ni ddweud rhywbeth fel hyder ar gyfer rhywun, ymddygiadau anhygoel yn cael eu cymryd i rhywun, ddiddordeb ddiddordeb, mewn ystod hynny, yn sefydliad ethnig.
Nid ydyn ni 'n ei ddweud ei bod angen ymddygiad i wneud y pobl hynny 'n teimlo 'n hyderus. Yn amlwg, nid. Ac mae hyn yn amlwg, ac mae 'n dal ynghylch rhai ysgolion, sydd yn ddiddordeb iawn i 'w wneud.
Roedd Sam Albury yn ôl ychydig o hynny. Roedd Tom Buck yn fawr iawn yn 2019 ac ymlaen, yn ceisio cyhoeddi rhai o hynny.
Ac mae cymaint y gallwch ei ddweud. Dw i wedi gwneud nifer o fuddsoddiadau ar Sam Albury. Rwy 'n credu bod y pennau diwethaf ychydig mlynedd yn ôl, ac rydw i 'n mynd drwy gyfarfodydd sydd ganddyn nhw gyda
Paul David Triff, rwy 'n credu ei fod, a ddangos y broblemau gyda hyn, a ddangos y broblemau gyda hyn, roedd
Sam Albury yn cael ei rhedeg. Rydw i 'n credu ei fod yn ddiwethaf, cymdeithas cyntaf, rydw i 'n credu ei fod yn ddiwethaf, ffyrdd ifanc neu ffyrdd ifanc, ond roedd, roedd e 'n cael ei gynhyrchu.
Ac nid oedd e 'n dweud i unrhyw un am yr ymddangos ychydig mlynedd yma. Roedd e 'n meddwl y byddai 'n mynd ymlaen, dros 30 oedd e 'n cael plant, ac y byddai e 'n gallu byw byw byd normál, fel ymddygiadau eraill.
Roedd e 'n mynd ymlaen, roedd e 'n meddwl y byddai e 'n mynd ymddygiadau eraill, nid oedd yn digwydd, yn ddiweddarach, rydw i 'n credu ei fod yn ddiweddarach, mae 'r ffyrdd ifanc ei fod yn dweud, mae 'n anodd i chi ddweud gyda fi, rwy 'n glir eich bod chi wneud hynny, ac roedd e 'n cael e 'n cael eich bod chi ddweud hynny, mae 'n rhaid iddyn nhw fod yn ymwneud â 'r rhai sy 'n cael arddangosfa 'n unig.
Un o 'r pwyntau rydw i 'n ei wneud yw, os ydych chi eisiau cael ymarfer a chael plant, mae 'n mynd i fod yn ymwneud â 'r proses, efallai.
Mae 'n ymwneud â 'r proses o sanctifigo y byddwn ni i gyd yn ei wneud. Ac os ydych chi 'n cael sin, mae 'n ymwneud â hynny. Y peth cyntaf y dylenwch ei wneud, nid gwneud ymwneud â 'i gael ymlaen fel y gafodd, ond gwneud ymwneud â 'r proses, ond efallai.
Ond, gwnewch i fynd a siarad â rhywun sy 'n ddewis, sy 'n gallu eich arddangosi. Mae 'r rhai sy 'n ymdrechol i arddangosi 'r rhai sy 'n ddewis, sy 'n ddim yn ymdrechol.
Dyna 'r hyn sy 'n ei gael eu gwneud. Ac yna, dydych chi ddim yn ei gynllunio â hynny, oherwydd mae 'n ei bwyta 'n 30, ac mae 'n dweud, well, nad oedd yn digwydd.
Dwi 'n meddwl nad oedd yn mynd i ddigwydd. Dwi 'n meddwl y dylen i mewn i mewn, ychydig nes i gyflwyno ar hynny, a byw y bydd byw i anhygoel, oherwydd dydw i ddim eisiau sylwio yn arlwg, ond ar un o bryd mae gymorth arlwg a atgofion, ac yn ymwneud â 'r bronfa, ac rydw i 'n meddwl y bydd yn dod â 'r towel a dweud, edrychwch, dyw e ddim wedi digydd, dyma 'n debyg, dyma fy nifer, dyma rhan o byddwn i 'n mynd i gael myfyrwyr gyda 30 oed, yr oeddwn i 'n ei wneud.
Rwy 'n mwynhau mwy o myfyrwyr, ac rwy 'n gweld bod yna bobl rwy 'n gwybod dydyn nhw ddim yn hoffi myfyrwyr ychydig, ac maen nhw 'n cael llawer o myfyrwyr, a gobeithio maen nhw 'n hoffi nhw nawr, ond nid oedd hynny 'n eu targed.
Mae 'n targed fy mod i eisiau cael llawer o myfyrwyr, ac nid yw wedi gweithio allan i mi. Rwy 'n cael un myfyrwyr ar hyn o bryd, yr ydw i 'n ymgyrchu hynny, ac mae hynny 'n amser gwahanol mewn ffordd.
Mae hyn yn ymwneud â chyhoedd a gwreiddiad, ond nid yw hynny 'n y ffordd y mae bywyd yn gweithio, ac mae 'n anhygoel i ddimorolio pan ydych chi 'n dechrau creu bod y golau hyn yn allweddol.
Nid ydych chi 'n gallu byw yn yr ordd y mae God wedi 'i wneud i ni byw, oherwydd nad yw hyn wedi digwydd ar hyn o bryd, nid ydw i 'n gallu byw ar hyn o bryd.
Dyma lle roedd Sam Albury. Rwy 'n cael llawer o gefnogaeth, mewn ystod fy mod i 'n teimlo 'n dda am unrhyw dyn sydd â 'r adnoddiadau a 'r adnoddiad a 'r amgylchedd a 'r brofiad.
Ond ar yr un pryd, mae 'n mynd ymlaen fel adroddiadur yn ceisio dweud i bobl beth i 'w wneud, yn ceisio rhoi sylwadau i 'r cyrch a 'r brofiad yma, ac mae 'n siarad o 'i brydiaeth ei hun ar hyn.
A dwi 'n dweud, dwi ddim yn golygu brydiaeth y ffordd mae Big Eva yn siarad am brydiaeth yn aml iawn, lle roedd yna ffordd o ddifrifio 'r dyn.
Mae dyn yn ymwneud â hyn, ond yr hyn rwy 'n ei ddweud yw bod yna anhygoel, anhygoel, ddisorder, anhygyrch,
Mae yna ddifrif o ddynion. Dydw i ddim yn gwybod pwy mae 'r holl hyn yn ychwanegu 'n ôl, ond mae 'n siarad fel dynwyr o 'r lle, o 'r lle y dydw i ddim yn ddweud fel dynwyr.
Dydw i ddim yn gwybod beth rydych chi 'n siarad am. Rydych chi 'n mynd i wneud mwy o drafnidiaeth, a dyna 'r broblem gyda Sam Albury. Mae wedi bod i gyd.
Os yw 'r broblem hwn, neidwch i ddod i 'r gynhyrchwyr ar gyfer sut i 'r broblem. Dydych chi ddim eisoes wedi 'i gysylltu ar eich hun, ond mae 'n beth anhygoel.
Mae 'r bobl fel ei hun a phobl eraill sydd wedi ysgrifennu ar gyfer sefydliadau fel y
Llywodraeth Gwasanaeth sy 'n edrych i fod yn ffocws cyhoeddu ar y rhwydwaith hwn, efallai oherwydd teori cyd -destun neu rhywbeth, ond mae 'n bwysig y byddwch chi 'n benderfynu â hyn.
Mae 'n rhaid i chi gael hyn fel eich enw i ddweud unrhyw beth sy 'n werthfawr. Os ydych chi 'n rhywun sy 'n ymgyrchu hyn, os ydych chi
Darren Mell, os ydych chi Wan Riesco, os ydych chi unrhyw un o 'r eraill, Rosaria Butterfield, roedd hyn yn ymddangos fel ysgrifennu neu ymgyrchu, neu beth bynnag rydych chi eisiau ei fframio, mae 'n ymgyrchu i gyd ar rai lefel, ond roedd hyn yn broblem, ac nawr mae 'r
Llywodraeth wedi, drwy 'r Holy Spirit, a 'r Gwasanaeth Christus, a 'r gysylltiadau o 'r diwydiant, a 'r gysylltiadau rydyn ni 'n eu rhoi i ymgyrchu 'r pethau hyn, nawr, edrychwch lle rydych chi.
Dyna 'r lle i ddod yn yr ysgrifennwr arno. Dod yn y bobl sy 'n gallu siarad arno a dweud,
Rydw i wedi 'i ymgyrchu. Rydw i wedi 'i ymgyrchu. Ac nawr, rydw i yma i 'ch helpu.
Mae 'r rhai sy 'n ysgrifennol i 'w ymgyrchu. Felly dyna ddim beth sy 'n digwydd, er enghraifft, ac nid yw wedi digwydd yn y ddwyraeth.
Rydw i eisiau siarad am y mater yma. Rydw i ddim wedi siarad am hyn o ran atraction y samhain yn y blynyddoedd.
Yn y bobl, yr hyn rydw i 'n ei wneud, ac rydw i wedi ei wneud yn fy llyfr, yw agor y ffyrdd, rydw i 'n siarad am y sŵn
Grec, rydw i 'n siarad am pathos, sy 'n y lle rydyn ni 'n cael y sŵn pathology neu pathological.
Mae 'n ymdrech a 'r ymgyrchu, ac mae 'n y sŵn cyflawn yn y Grec, yn y
Bybl, at least to what might constitute like orientation language, right? So, Colossians 3, 5, 1
Thessalonians 4, 5, Romans 1, 26 use this. And when I've talked about this before, I'll talk about this state or condition of pathos.
And so, if you have inappropriate, sinful pathos, then you need to repent of that.
And then I'll talk about epithemia, which is desire, lust, or craving. And it can be used in positive or negative ways.
You gotta have a good craving, bad craving, but oftentimes it's used in the negative. And pathos and epithemia are both condemned in Romans 1 and Colossians 3, 5.
So, it's two separate words. If you have the pathos, this state or condition, if you have the epithemia, this desire or lust and they're sinful, they're for things
God has prohibited, you need to repent of that, right? That needs to be mortified in your body.
You need to make war on that. You God gives you tools. God helps you.
God gives you grace. And don't get off the saddle. Keep riding. Don't ever give up on it and say, well,
I'm just, that's who I am. You know, I, I'm always thinking violent thoughts. I always want to murder people in my heart.
And I guess I'm a Christian murderer. That's my attraction. That's my orientation. Like no one does that.
Right. And that's part of the issue here. And I'm not saying that murder and same sex attraction are the same exact sin or anything like that.
What I'm saying is other sins start out in the heart. Jesus said, that's where sin starts.
It's out of the mouth, the heart speaks. And we don't take those heart conditions, those desires, those state or condition, pathology.
We don't take those and say, well, that's your identity now. Right. And so I'll usually say that I'll usually talk about the difference between external and internal temptation, because temptation to do something, charismos is the word for that.
That can be something that is temptation for a good thing that God has ordained, but you want to fulfill that good thing in the wrong way.
So you could have the, the kinds of desires that God gives to males and females for the opposite sex.
And you could want to fulfill that in a way that is not pleasing to God, that is outside the boundaries of marriage, for example, or you could have a disordered temptation.
James 1, 13 through 15 says, let no one say when he is tempted, I'm being tempted by God for God cannot be tempted by evil.
And he himself does not tempt anyone, but each one is tempted when he's carried away and enticed by his own lust. Then when lust has conceived, it gives birth to sin.
And when sin is accomplished, it brings forth death. It's according to this passage, the source of temptation to evil is a lust, which is present in fallen creatures, you and me, but not in God.
So we can conclude temptation is not the source of sin, but it does expose desires that could be the source of sin.
And that's where we have to make a distinction. Romans 1 talks about these disordered desires.
So these are all things that I talk about. You know, I talk about the definition of sin, Proverbs 7, it means to miss the mark.
If you're being tempted and it's not, it's for something that is an unnatural thing.
It is a disordered desire. The Romans 1 talks about these unnatural affections.
Then you, this is a lower state of temptation. It's not like the temptations
Christ endured. God can't be tempted. Not in the sense of internal temptation. All right.
He can't, you can't entice him with something that is against God's law directly.
You can't, I mean, he's impeccable. So you can't actually get Christ. The devil was on a feudal mission when he was trying to get
Christ to sin. But the things he used were things like, it's good to eat. It's good to drink. You deserve worship.
And of course, all those things are true, right? Those aren't bad things for Jesus Christ to want.
And food and water, those aren't bad things for us to want. Those are things God ordains in their proper place.
Not outside of their proper place though. But there are things that are universally wrong, that are disordered desires, that there is no way to, like homosexuality is one of those things.
There is no way to find a scenario where it's appropriate or approving from God to engage in that.
And so I've covered all of this. That's just a review of all of it. The Bible is clear on these things.
We've been over it. But there's something else that I want to say. And it just struck me when
I was thinking about this. I think it was Stephen Wolfe who tweeted out something about,
I'm summarizing, but we shouldn't be giving advice essentially from our brokenness. Maybe the church shouldn't platform people to give spiritual advice from their brokenness or their broken identities.
I think it was something along those lines. And I started thinking about this, broken identities. And you know what?
I think I commented back. So this sounds like the internet to me. And I'm not going to do the thing where we just normalize same sex attraction because, well, everyone's got a broken identity.
No, no, this is a specific sin. But God does put us in a world where he gives us certain slots, if you were.
And if those slots that are fulfilling, slots that are part of who we think of ourselves as part of our identity, right?
When you think of who am I, right? When I make myself an example here, when I think of John Harris. Well, first of all,
I have a name. Harris is my last name. I belong to a family. It's part of my identity.
And this is the way God made the world. John is a male name. There's certain responsibilities attendant to being a male.
And then when you become a husband and a father, there's other responsibilities, additional responsibilities. It means you have strength.
You're supposed to be a protector. You're supposed to be a provider. You're supposed to make sure that your family's taken care of and stuff like that.
In the church, there is a spiritual identity that we have.
We are part of a spiritual family when we become one in Christ.
So we become part of Christ's family. Now we're brothers in Christ. God is our father.
We're no longer children of the devil. We've changed families. We've been adopted. That is an identity.
That's part of my identity. I'm a child of God. Obviously, I also live in a region.
I can't avoid that. Can you avoid that? I mean, even if you're sitting on your computer all day, you still have to go out and go to the store and meet people.
You have a place you live and you interact with other people in that place. So it's inescapable because your spiritual identity and your familial and physical identities all are carried out, not in some abstract location.
It's a real world location. And that is part of who you are. You've got to put clothes on. What kind of clothes are you going to put on when you go out?
So there are all these things that make us us. Even your regional affinities end up being expressed through things like sports, music you listen to.
These are all important things. So what are you saying, John? What does this have to do with Sam Albury? I think
Sam Albury is someone who's broken in a way. Yes, sinful. He's a culprit. But sin often makes us victims and culprits simultaneously.
We're certainly not purely victims when we're sinful. We are culprits. But it does do things to us.
And it sometimes is the result of sins. Sin bleeds to sin, right? So you're downstream sins from upstream sins.
And one of the things that I have noticed in the last few years really impressed on my heart, this need for people to understand better who
God made them to be. And I realize that's not just finding spiritual satisfaction in Christ.
That is the primary first thing. But there are other things that God has given us, family, etc.
And so one of the things I've noticed as people are more and more online and in chat groups and pursuing hobbies and interests that would have been probably less a part of their identity, but now it becomes a primary identity because you can find all these people who are into that kind of thing.
People who go down weird racial paths and are trying to assert themselves as I'm a part of this group when it's like that thought.
I mean, I've seen guys transform that thought never would have crossed their mind. And they knew who they were in a more holistic, rooted organic way.
And now they're trying to grab something that's like more abstract and technical.
And they're saying, this is who I am. And this is the primary thing. This is my tribe. Personality cults, right?
I'm following this guy because he says things that I like. And I don't want to over -psychologize all of it, but maybe a lot of manosphere guys
I think are like this, where it's like, if you had a broken relationship with your dad, you're probably going to be attracted to someone who's speaking a language that you long to hear.
Right? So all of that to say, we, I conceive of it this way.
We have slots that God has given us. Each one of us has like notes that we're supposed to play that in a healthy, especially in a world that's not fallen, we wouldn't have really had to think about.
But in a fallen world and with things like broken families and divorces and moving around all the time and a sinful normalization that gets you to do things that are unnatural and unnatural in the sense that they're not what
God has ordained. You can find yourself over the course of years in very weird places.
You can see your anonymous online identity is like more primary than your real identity.
And it's different for everyone, but I think there's like a big identity crisis going on. So when I was thinking about Sam Albury, I was like, you know,
Sam was kind of like, he became big when this is pre
AI, but this is like when podcasts are really starting to become a thing. And Sam's like this personality guru.
For some guys, he was a personality cult. Like they really not, not his fault necessarily, but people were really attracted to him to try to navigate this issue of same sex attraction.
And I think the, the, the, the, the reason he was so popular and so famous is because he was trying to add a dimension to add an identity factor that had not been normalized before and use it as a substitute.
So let me give you an example. I think I played the clip, but he wore a wedding ring. Now, if you want to get married, if you want to attract a wife and you're struggling with this sin and you're waiting on God, God break this,
I'm going to fight it every day. I'm going to seek spiritual help. I'm going to do everything I can. And I'm just waiting on you to answer my prayer.
The last thing you probably want to do is put a wedding ring on. I mean, that'll, that'll scare away any person of the opposite gender who's ever going to be interested.
And it just says, I'm taken. I'm settled. I'm not available. Uh, and the reason he put it on was because he was, he, he wanted to remind himself that Christ was pursuing him because Christ pursues the church, but he wanted to take that personally.
Somehow Christ is pursuing me. And I experienced this love. I heard some one describe long -term celibates like me as being like unicorns.
You've heard of them, but you never think you're going to actually meet one. So that one is from myths about singleness.
He does this thing where he talks about being single all the time.
You wrote a book about it, but the nine marks article I was referencing, I think a few weeks ago, uh,
I was referencing an article that he did for nine marks in my article about nine marks. He talks about singleness and that, and it's in the context of same sex attraction.
You just sort of assume these people were single. So what should the church do? Well, they're special.
They're unicorns. They get to wear wedding rings, I guess, if they're not even married, like they're. And the thing is they have this costly sacrifice.
They have this, this like brave, uh, sanctifying force within them that gives them the power to stop the natural desires for marriage.
Cause they can never, they can't, they're not going to probably get married because if they were going to get married, they would want to do it. They want to have that ceremony with someone who's of the same gender.
And God doesn't allow that. So they don't do that. And how brave and how sacrificial, well, there's a lot of heterosexual people who also don't get married.
And even though they want to be, uh, but there, there's sort of, there was, I don't know if it's still around as much, maybe it isn't some blue cities and churches there that there's this extra layer of bravery and sanctification with these people that they must be so spiritual to be able to say no to sexual desire because desires are so ultimate and, uh, at the same time have same sex attraction.
And so he does this thing where he puts himself in this category becomes as part of his identity. I think it's inevitable. That just becomes part of who you are.
Okay. I'm single. I'm single because I'm same sex attracted. And you know what? That means I've got this spiritual thing.
I'm tapping into, I got this angle that I have that, uh, it may be the people who are heterosexual and in marriages, they got their own struggles.
It's not the same. And, and people do elevate that. People do see that or at least did and thought, well, this is really spiritual.
Instead of looking at that and saying, this is really messed up. This is someone who's really messed up by sin broken, need to help this person, whatever it takes, we need to try to help them to mortify this sin.
And we should never let them give up on the dream. If they ever want, he said at the, initially he wanted to get married.
Don't let them give up on that. Why, why can't you get married? Oh, I have this thing. Okay. Let's take care of that.
Let's, let's make progress towards that. If you just sort of let it fly and say, this is part of who
I am and that's okay. Then you start, what are you replacing in that moment?
What's the slot that God has the slot that God has is you were made unless you have the gift of singleness, uh, with a, and that's a spirit.
I think that's a special spiritual thing, which we don't, we're not going to get into in this podcast, but it's, it's also a rare thing.
But if you are your average person who God created, his plan is for you to pursue marriage, marriage and family.
Uh, and I understand it's hard. Sometimes you want that and it doesn't happen, but part of the wanting it is part of who you are.
That's intrinsic to your identity. So he's replacing that slot with singleness. Now singleness as a, an identity, that's not the gift of singleness, just singleness is sort of like a, this broken state of affairs, this trial that you should endure.
And there's a difference between a state of singleness, which may be a trial for some because they don't want to be single and then a state of sin, but he conflates them and he fills that slot.
But the problem is you can't fill that slot. And one of the evidences is every time Sam Albury, cause I've heard him over the years say this multiple times that like, you know, the church should just normalize singleness and same sex attraction and people should just realize that, uh, you know, they have this sort of higher, not higher, but they have a spiritual calling and a fulfillment that sometimes heterosexuals don't even quite understand.
And that, um, and we shouldn't make a big deal about it because that's the problem with the church.
They make a big deal about marriage and family. Every time he does that, that whole like, Oh, don't make a big deal about this.
He's talking about it and making a big deal about it. That's a tell in my mind, he's for years,
I've always thought this about Sam Albury. He is so insecure about that side of himself.
He's got to keep talking about it. Like if he really was comfortable with it and if it was really not a big deal, then just drop it.
Like you don't have to keep talking about it, but he talks about it regularly. Why, why is it?
And he's, it seems like he's uncomfortable with it because I think you, he knows, like he knows that's not a natural thing.
And I think it, it's, it's not the same issue with someone who's
LARPing online that they're, I don't know how, how many, how many things have I seen lately of like guys who, when
I find out who they are, when they're in, you know, anonymous accounts or whatever, I find out who they are and I'm like, that's you?
I can't believe that's you. And like they, they LARP online is like some crazy, you know, masculine crusader who's so super tough and all this stuff.
And then I'm like, Oh wow, that's, that's like the opposite of what you are. And that's why you do that. And so you're very performative.
I've seen this, I don't know how many times, but all the time, it's like the Brad Paisley song online.
If you haven't heard it, go listen to it. It's, it's such before it's time, but you know, there's sort of like this identity problem.
A lot of people have, and I think it's the result ultimately of a sin more than anything else.
But it's, it's modern life also modern life and just sort of the unnatural ways of living that we have.
We're confused. So many people are confused. And you know, my answer to this has been root yourself in the word of God.
Understand who God says you are. That's number one. Number two, root yourself in real tangible relationships in your local community.
Understand the history of what happened under your feet. Understand who your family history to the best of your ability. We don't all have access to all of this, but do your best to figure all of that out.
So you just have a context for the link that you represent in the chain, because the world's going to keep going wrong after you're gone.
And it, there was a lot of whole world and time and living right before you came. And so you're, you're don't, you're not the end of everything here.
And understanding that is so fulfilling in my opinion, in my estimation, it is, it's the way
God meant you to live. This is the way that the old Testament saints are meant to live. Like look that rock pile over there.
That's when God did something. Oh, the Shema, you better understand, make sure all your kids know this, teach your sons, teach your daughters.
Oh, the land. Yeah. We're going to make sure that every 70 years, that land goes back to you. So, you know, this is where you're supposed to be.
This is what God gave to you. Like these really, really stabilizing forces and marriage and family is the stabilizing force.
It is, it really is the building block of society. The religious right was absolutely a hundred percent correct.
You lose the family, you lose the country. It liberalism is wrong. We're not just individuals that are deracinated.
That doesn't make any sense. Socialism and collectivism are wrong. We're not just one big blob of people that are without differences between us.
Society is made up of different groups with different interests. And the, the, on the granular level, it's a family.
That's the building block. That's where it all originates. That's what God ordained. He made a male and a female to be fruitful and multiply.
And then he divided them up when they were speaking the same language and trying to build a tower to the heavens.
And he wanted them to spread out. And this is just the way,
I mean, the way life should be that we should have these stabilizing forces.
And it's going to take, I think a lot of us in the church, when we see someone who's struggling with sexual identity or racial identity, or just understanding their responsibilities as a male or female, understanding their responsibilities as a member of the church and what that looks like.
We're going to have to help people. Those of us who, again, are mature and able to restore. If we understand what those things look like in a stabilized environment, how
God meant us to live, we're going to have, and we're going to have to be gentle. We're going to have to show people the, the attraction in it.
Like I've seen this firsthand where in college ministry, you'll have a husband and wife invite people to their home from a college around me.
It's the culinary Institute, but I've seen this at state schools. It changes the dynamic.
You're on campus with your friends. Okay. As soon as you go to a home and it's a male and a female in a loving relationship, giving you food, something clicks.
And I've seen it multiple times where people who never thought they'd get married or never had a good example of what that looked like and didn't even realize that was a slot, an identity slot
God made for everyone to fulfill. They had just written it off. All of a sudden they want it because they see what it looks like.
And when you understand who you are, when you're secure in yourself, that can be a beacon for people to understand.
So the answer to this is not to assuage, accommodate dysfunction, sin, identity, broken identity factors.
It's actually to give a standard of what a solid and non -sinful functioning, beautiful kind of identity actually is.
So people know what it looks like. And then you can help people with that. That's what
I think. And we're just going to have to be really aware of this in the church.
It's going to be hospitality. I've said this for years. It's going to be being in people's homes and watching people live that we will escape some of this stuff.
Now I'm sort of left Sam Albury, but I wanted to say all that because I think there is an issue here that is broader than just the same sex attraction thing.
I really do think there's like these sinful and just sometimes broken identities that make no sense that people are seeing themselves way too much as part of.
Who are your close friends? If they're in a chat group online, I'm sorry, you're doing it wrong. We need to be about the responsibilities that God's given us in the world that he's made in front of us first and put everything in its proper place, give it the proper priority.
And that's where Sam Albury was way off. This problem he had was in the category of brokenness, sin, sin that led to brokenness, sin that led to confusion and dysfunction.
And he took it from there and he tried to make it fill a slot of healthy sexual identity.
And well, this can easily fit in there. No, that was a cancer on that. That was a corrupting force on that.
You have this malady. We need to figure out how to stop this malady and treat it that way.
It's a leech on your identity. It's not part of your identity. It's not in your natural state that God's made you to be.
All right. I'm sure there's a lot of questions on that. That's my monologue on this. I will give you the last bit of information that I wanted to show you, then
I'll go to questions and comments. Melissa, the hopeful homemaker, which is at Biblical Beauty.
Hopefully you follow her if you're on X. If you're not on X, God bless you. But if you are, follow her.
She shares something. Rosaria Butterfield shared at the Answers for Women conference, put on by Answers in Genesis.
She says this weekend, and this is April 12th. This was less than a month ago. It is a sin to tell a lie, but it is also a sin to believe a lie.
There is no such thing as a gay man or a lesbian woman or a transgender woman. Then you can fill in all the different categories that come under the umbrella
LGBT. The reason is because in Genesis, where we have to start, we are given our identity.
Our identity is the image of God bearing as a man or a woman. She goes on, a man who says he's a gay man is a man with a sin pattern that Jesus came to help set free from.
If he will mortify it, repent, believe, go to war, it's very hard to do that.
I'm not suggesting it's easy, but that is our job. You know what? It's not just somebody who's indwelling sin is homosexuality who happens to have that call.
It's everyone because we were all born in the sin of Adam. It's because of the sin of Adam that we have sin in our nature.
That quite frankly means that every person in this room needs to wake up every morning, drive a thousand fresh nails into your choice sin, and do that before breakfast and didn't do the same thing before lunch.
She's talking about mortifying sin. She uses Christopher Ewan as a good example of someone who's done that.
I don't see a mention of Sam Albury here. It is my understanding. I don't know if she mentioned Sam or someone else in this speech, but I don't think this is posted anywhere.
This is the kind of thing that I want to see ministries not afraid to talk about.
Rosaria names names. There's a nervousness ministries have about posting speeches when you bring up a name of someone who is forwarding an ideology that may be sinful and wicked, and maybe they don't agree with it, but that person we have ties to in some way, we might rock the boat.
It's controversial. I've seen it happen in real time, by the way. I remember being at an event and Judd Saul went up there and he named
Al Mohler. It was wokeness stuff, but he's like, look, this is what's happening at Southern Seminary. ABC had all the proof in front of them.
I'll tell you which speech did not make the final cut, which one. There's all these speeches from the conference.
It was in Washington, DC, and it was one of these faith action type conferences.
There was one speech that didn't make the cut at the end. We can't be afraid of this, guys. This is something that's kind of a no -brainer.
Speeches like this, we need more of them, and we need them publicly available, and people not nervous, ministries not nervous to put them out there.
That is my encouragement to, I think in this case it must be the Answers for Women conference, to give some answers for women on this more than just the people in the room, and just make sure that that speech is also out there.
Side B ignores the created order, says Matt. When you do that, you end up thinking of God's law as arbitrary and unfair.
I believe the mythologizing of Genesis 1 -3, things like biologos and seminaries are to blame. He certainly bears some blame.
There's no doubt about that. Look, if you get Genesis wrong, then you're going to get the rest wrong. Answers in Genesis is 100 % right about that.
So much of the foundational things about the created order, we believe, start in Genesis. You can't just get rid of it, allegorize it.
Yes, you're going to have problems downstream when you just do that. It's like trying to get rid of the foundation of your house and thinking the house will still stand.
Good luck with that. Margaret, I'm pretty sure scripture tells us to take the plank out of our own eyes before we strive to take the splinter out of our neighbor's eyes, right?
Yeah, I don't think there's any problem with that. If you're a hypocrite, if you're not repentant of a sin, and you're blind to your own sin, but you can see everyone else's, which
I think is something that's common to people, then yes, you should deal with the sin that you have. You should repent for those things.
But if you repent for the sin that you have, and it's not wrong to go, in fact, you should. If you're a loving person, tell your neighbor, look, you got a four by four, two by four in your eye, and that's going to be a problem.
It's going to hurt you. If you see someone walking towards a cliff, you should probably tell them, hey, that's a cliff right there.
So judge with righteous judgment. That's what Jesus wants us to do. Darren says that most men
I met with unwanted same -sex lust had the dream to get married and have kids, but then had to write it off in coming out.
Myself included, but God, he restored that desire and fulfilled that desire he gave me. Darren's a great example of that.
Absolutely correct. Matt says, as someone who lives in Nashville, Emanuel Baptist Church is located in the richest part of old money on Nashville called
Bellomede, where what they have is money. Make of that what you will.
Well, I don't really have anything to make of it. It's probably, I would assume that these are people that are high up in the evangelical machine, like the big
Eva. So I would assume that they probably live in a more safe place and all of that. All right.
Currently disqualified. What does that mean? I don't know, but it means whatever it is, it's bad enough for the gospel coalition to just erase every article that apparently
Sam Albury's put in there. So make of that what you will.
Conceptual clarity says, now that this has been exposed, is there any reason to take side B seriously to it?
Is there any reason to imagine that the very man of the high profile of hourly LGBT advocates of side
B are really practicing abstinence? Look, I think we could all see this.
Someone starts talking about, it's like a balloon. Okay. Think about this way. This is an analogy in my mind.
I'm thinking about like a balloon that you keep pressing down into the water, like a beach ball, right? Every time it's going to come up. And I saw someone who's
Roman Catholic or likes Roman. I don't know. Where do you put was, I think it was Calvin Robinson. Where do you put Calvin Robinson?
I don't even know anymore. I can't believe it's hard for me to believe I ever had him on my podcast now.
Like back in the day, his whole thing was taking a stand on homosexuality. And now he just throws slop all over the place on X.
Unfortunately, pray for him. I don't know exactly what's going on with all of that, but he was kind of dunking on this.
And I'm thinking for Roman Catholics, like you want to talk about specs and beams, right?
You have, there are apparently a few exceptions where there are priests who are not celibate, who are married.
I didn't know that until very recently, but the pattern is you have to get an exemption for that. Priests are celibate.
You push that beach ball down that natural order stuff. God designed you to be a sexual creature.
Now through the power of his spirit and prayer and all these things, I believe that you can be delivered from sin obviously, but he normal course, normal state of affairs,
I'm saying like creation as he intended, male, female, leaf and cleave, multiply and have kids.
That's Genesis. All right. So that's the template. That's what most people are going to aspire to unless they have this gift of singleness.
And if you deny that, forsake that, give up on that, say it's not holy, whatever.
And I love Augustine. I really love Augustine, but he had issues with sexual sin and he just sort of flipped a switch and was like, well, that's the holy life is the life that doesn't have this.
That doesn't, celibacy is the higher way here. Look, you start doing that.
You're, you're running risks. And I know this. I mean, I, I, I'm not saying that you cannot have the power to live in victory.
I'm saying that if you're shutting yourself off from those things for a particular reason, a sinful reason of some kind, uh, if you're saying,
I'm saying, so it's attracted, therefore I can't get married. Therefore I don't have an outlet or, uh, it's holier to be celibate.
Therefore, I'm not going to get married. Therefore, whatever the reason is, you're cutting against nature.
And I mean, this is a problem even in the, uh, I just watched this documentary. I think it was called the prophet on the
FLDS church. And that was one of the things they said, they had this guy went to jail and he was, he had a monopoly on sex in the cult and he just said, all right, no one, no one can have sex while I'm gone basically.
Well, yeah. Good luck. Good luck with that. You have people in your community. Like it's like you can't get married.
You can't have children. What do you think is going to happen? Oh, children start popping up. Oh, I wonder why. Right. So Catholic church members like, understand you have a priest who, um, is making this part of their identity.
Don't be shocked if they get caught in an inappropriate way and maybe with weird sort of depraved, uh, ways in which they're exercising this, they're, they're functioning in sexual ways.
It's not a shock. And with, with this guy, unfortunately, uh,
I, you know, if you're an priest and you say, well, I'm same sex attracted.
I'm going to be like the Catholics and I'm not going to, I'm not just not going to get married. I'm closing myself off to that.
That dream went up in smoke. What's going to happen. You think with Sam Albury, it's not a shock.
Like you're running up against identity factors. Again, these slots that God gives us, these keys that we have on our keyboard, you're going to be tempted to play them.
And that temptation for something that's good that God's given is not a wrong thing. Sam Albury wanted to sort of shut that off and, and re form it by stuffing a sinful pathology pathos into that.
What do you think is going to happen? It's doesn't take rocket science. Unfortunately, like this, this was playing with fire from the beginning and, um, it's just sad.
And for him to maintain the position that he's had, of course, he's going to have to hide that somewhat, which is sounds like he hid aspects of it.
And that's from the leadership at his church. And that's what led to this issue. So, all right.
Any more questions, cries of outrage, conundrums. Do you think they will try to restore him to ministry later?
I don't know. I don't know. Uh, Calvin Robinson is supposedly still an
Anglican though. He's more Anglo Catholic than Anglican. And he talks about Roman Catholicism in positive terms regularly.
So, um, I mean, how, how many denominations has he been in and out of, I mean, that guy just, that, that guy is unstable.
I don't know what else to tell you. Uh, Margaret says a mortification of sin is necessary to forging identity in Christ as a former glutton who sought healing through Christ and was successful, but still struggles with relapse.
I have deep compassion with anyone who struggles with deeply entrenched sin. Amen. Yeah, look, that's a more tends to be more of an obvious sin.
You can't really hide that, it's more difficult. Uh, but I mean, some people can, you can have skinny gluttons, it's possible, but generally, you know, you, you put on the pounds and, uh, and yeah, like it's, would you ever say like, well,
I have a weight law school and I didn't make it. Therefore I'm just like, I'm just a fat
Christian. I don't, I don't know. What would you say? Right. I'm just a overweight Christian and obese
Christian, whatever. That's my identity. A glutton really gluttons, the sin, not those things aren't the sin it's gluttony.
That's the sin. So I'm a glutton Christian, but these, but however you want to frame that. And, uh,
I have insights that others might not have in a relationship with God because of, uh, just this experience that I have in saying no to food.
And even after, you know, you, you're, you lose the weight and you're more healthy. You're still like, well,
I'm just always a glutton, man. Like, no, like you're such worse. Some of you come on such some of you.
So I'm glad you find it funny, Margaret. I just, when I said fat Christian, I was like, some people might be offended by that, but, um, well,
Hey, look, uh, you have to, whatever sin you have, and we're all tempted in various ways.
You have to make war on that sin and you don't include it as part of your identity. Right. And it could be the smallest of sins.
It could be wasting time online. It could be like, you know, unfortunately you're shirking your responsibilities as a husband and father and playing video games too much.
Or as a mother, you're distracted by Instagram reels and you have a trad wife profile and you're just trying to show everyone, this is your identity.
This is who you, and it's like, that's not who you are. You know, that we need to be honest with each other and try to live in the world that God made and be as, as, as responsible adults as we possibly can be to navigate this world.
And part of that is getting rid of the sin. And it's a process. It's a sanctification process that lasts our whole life.
Uh, we're always going to be battling with sin. Sam Albury's right about that in a sentence, like he's wrong that you're always going to have same sex attraction necessarily.
Maybe not. Why would you say that? Can God just not deliver you from sin? Is his power not enough? Can you just give up hope?
No, but this side of heaven, you are going to have sin. Paul had it. You're going to have sin on some level and you're going through a process of becoming more and more like Christ.
We should encourage you as you see that process unfolding. All right. Nick Potts says it was nice hearing your message on Friday.
Uh, thanks, Nick. It was good to see you now. It's good to be able to put your face now, uh, your name with the face.
And now that I've seen you in person, uh, God bless everyone. Hope you have a wonderful rest of the week.
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