It Is Finished — B.H. Clendennen

The Promise of Isaac and the Freedom of the Children of Promise

I want you to turn with me to the book of Genesis, chapter 21. We're going to read there, beginning with verse 1, then in Galatians, chapter 4. Our message, if, is finished. Father, help us tonight. Thank You for this wonderful worship, the singing, the praying.

Thank You for every good and perfect gift. Now we come to this time of the preaching and the hearing of the Word of God. May this Word have free course in this house tonight. Let us speak freely as the oracles of God make it real to our hearts.

In the name of Jesus, Amen. In Genesis, chapter 21, I read the first 11 verses. One of the great, great stories of this Bible. And the Lord visited Sarah as He had said, and the Lord did unto Sarah as He had spoken.

He always does. Whenever you believe Him, He always does. For Sarah conceived and bare Abraham, a son in his old age, at the set time of which God had spoken to him. And Abraham called the name of his son that was born unto him, whom Sarah bared to him, Isaac.

And Abraham circumcised his son Isaac, being eight days old, as God had commanded him. And Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born unto him. And Sarah said, God hath made me to laugh, so that all that hear will laugh with me.

And she said, Who would have said unto Abraham that Sarah should give children suck? For I have borne him a son in his old age. And the child grew and was weaned. And Abraham made a great feast the same day that Isaac was weaned.

And Sarah saw the son of Hagar, the Egyptian, which she had borne unto Abraham, mocking. Wherefore, she said unto Abraham, Cast out this bondwoman and her son. For son of this bondwoman shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.

And the thing was very grievous in Abraham's sight because of his son. Now, in the book of Galatians, chapter 4, we are going to read verses 22 -31. Chapter 4, the book of Galatians 22 -31,. For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one of a bondmaid, the other by a free woman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh, but he of the free woman was by the promise. Which things are an allegory, for these are the two covenants, the one from Mount Sinai, which gendereth the bondage which is Hagar.

For this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and hath stripped the Jerusalem, which now is and is in bondage with the children. But Jerusalem, which is above, is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren, that bearest not.

Break forth, and cry, thou that prevailest not, for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath a husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise. But as then, he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, so it is now.

Nevertheless, what saith the Scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and the son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the free woman. So then, brethren, we are not of the children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The Fall and the Loss of Spiritual Communion

God made man, he said, let us make him in our image. When God came to the point of creating that human, he created him so that in Adam there was mirrored the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. But that image was marred in the fall.

Man partook of that, the tree of knowledge, which God hath forbidden him. Every other tree in the garden God shall eat freely. But that tree, the day you eat it, you will die. Man became different at that moment, altogether different type of a man.

It wasn't that Adam had made a wrong turn in the road. He became an altogether different man. His spirit so violated in that fall, it fell down in subjection to his soul. And man no longer was a spirit being.

His spirit died toward God, and the ability to communicate with heaven was lost. Man became a soulless creature, living in the world what he could taste, feel, see, and hear. He became an altogether different kind of a man.

And God's purpose could not and cannot come through that fallen man. That's a very difficult lesson for the religious people to understand. Always through all the centuries, it has been the church trying to force God to accept that which has been rejected.

We dress him up, we educate him, we send him to seminaries all of the while trying to make God accept that which is impossible for the will and the purpose of God to come through. How we need to relearn that lesson.

As we bring forth that which is of the flesh and expect something spiritual to come out of it, we only curse everything about us. As we endeavor to bring into the purpose of God that which is not of God.

I've watched the church of our time bring in the world's singers in an effort to bring people. I remember Mr. Graham came to Houston, Texas, and he had the Vice President of the United States, one of the ungodliest men perhaps that ever lived, on that platform in an effort to draw people to that crowd.

I've said to my wife, can you imagine Jesus having Herod on a platform with him in an effort to draw a crowd? What a curse we bring upon the things of God when we attempt to bring that nature into God.

Now what was that forbidden fruit that Adam ate of? His own understanding. That was what he ate. When he moved away, when God ceased to be a source, and he turned to that tree of knowledge, his own understanding, then he cursed everything.

Flesh, Promise, and the Two Covenants

Abraham called to be the father of the faithful. This was the call of Abraham. God said to him, this is it. But in the struggle, Abraham again leans to that forbidden fruit, to his own understanding. He, in a meeting with Hagar, with his wife, Sarah, they decided that Hagar would be the one to produce the promise.

So it turned to the flesh. And in that moment, we're still battling with that today. Most of the problems of the world that we're facing in this moment is still coming out of Abraham turning to the flesh, trying to produce that which is spiritual.

When he brought Hagar in, Satan once more, in that moment, succeeded in convincing man that the knowledge and purpose of God can be known through that fallen nature. But God says, no flesh shall glory.

Dress it up, cologne it, whatever you do to it, no flesh is allowed in this kingdom of God. Now, this union of flesh and spirit, that is Abraham and Hagar, produced a curse. Ishmael was born. All of that that we have in the Middle East came out of this union of flesh and spirit.

You know, it is this mixture that God does not tolerate. What he actually ate of was his own understanding, but he also ate of a mixture. Out of that came a Cain and an Abel, a Jacob and an Esau. All of this came out of it.

When those two systems came running through history, that flesh and spirit, like two parallel freeways, God never destroyed the world. But when you come to the book of Genesis, and those sons of God begin to marry those daughters of man, when they mix those two, God says it's enough.

And the flood came. When the church, like today, is such a mixture of that which is God and that which is of flesh, it will draw the crowd, folks, but it will also draw the wrath of Almighty God. He will not tolerate this mixture of that which is of the flesh and that which is of God.

Now, in the absence of the spiritual, carnal religion can flourish being accepted as the truth. When the Holy Spirit is no longer the guardian of what the church believes, then there comes this mixture, and it appears to be truth to the carnal.

It will flourish among, on an individual scale, most of the people that make up what's called the church are merely religious people. I'd say 85 of them. The vast majority of the Pentecostal church are tares.

They have never been born again. They've been convicted, perhaps, but never been birthed of God. So what you have, that's the reason. You can't get them to come to church. You can't get them in a prayer meeting.

You can't get them to obey God in giving and reaching the world because that is not their nature. That is not what they are. They have nothing. They come in. The one thing flesh cannot stand is pain. So it don't want to go to hell.

So it'll go to church every Sunday morning because we've led them to believe that's all it takes to make it there. Just show up on a Sunday morning. Religion as a whole. All believe they're right without the real nature of God.

Without the Holy Spirit there to reveal to that heart, to make known what's taking place, everybody begins to believe he's right. Now, without the nature of God present in the new creation, that is the spiritual, the emotions of the flesh are mistaken for spirituality.

I've watched it in this Pentecostal world. I've watched them. We can excite that flesh by the music and other things, but it doesn't mean that God has arrived on that scene. Disturb the emotions and men will believe it's God.

I do know in reality when the Holy Ghost comes, the emotions will be involved. But I am telling you, you can evolve the emotions without ever involving God. You can't have God to come. Feeling is a part of it.

The woman with the issue of blood felt that she was healed. But you can't depend upon that feeling. Isaac felt of Jacob, but he still deceived him. I said he still deceived him. You can't depend upon those feelings.

It has to be the truth of God. Now, ecumenical, that imitation spirit that calls everything to church, believe anything that looks like a miracle. They don't believe anything. You can feign a miracle.

You can play games. You can get catchers and look like a lot of people are being fallen out under the power. But if you move those catchers, they won't bear many people fall. I can tell you. That will end all of that.

It's just a man trying to make somebody believe that he has something that he doesn't have. It is always this, and it's always been that way. But when you allow that flesh to come, you're going to have it.

Revival, Spiritual Birth, and Division

Abraham was ecstatic with Ishmael. He's 13 years old, according to what I've read, when Isaac was born. He was very happy with that boy. Very, very ecstatic. I watched the church today. It's very happy over this flesh boy.

I heard a man saying he went to heaven. Now, this man is a very popular man. Draws a lot of crowds, but he went to heaven. And he got up there, and Paul had summoned him up there to correct some of the things that he had wrote.

Now, imagine this. Now, who is Paul to have the authority to summon anybody to heaven? He's a great man, but he don't have that authority. And who is a God that would allow a mistake to run for 2 ,000 years and never correct it?

But he's up there, and he said he met Jesus. Jesus called him by his first name and shook hands with him. And he said, Jesus had the most beautiful brown hair he ever saw. I said, my God, he dyed it 2 ,000 years ago.

When John saw him, the hair was snow white. I mean, this is a nonsense, folks, that come out of the flesh, and thousands of people were shouting and jumping over such nonsense. You see, you can excite that flesh.

Anything that feigns a miracle. Anything. Here comes all of it. The dead can get excited about a miracle. But the presence of God, the miracle of that presence, works out more than in mere physical miracles.

Amen. Abraham. This lad was everything he could imagine for about 13 years. Ishmael was a model child during that period. Amen. Then the war begun. Revival came. When that comes, then the flesh finds itself in trouble.

Revival came. Sarah was renewed in the Scripture. I read you Genesis 21, verses 1 -8. Sarah was renewed. Become a beautiful woman. There was no olive oil to protect that skin. That desert didn't wrinkle up like a frog, I can tell you.

Amen. There was nothing to protect it. But in that moment when that revival came, folks, kings desired her again. When revival came, a miracle happened. Isaac was born. A hundred year old woman in travail.

A dead womb made alive. My God, that's revival. That's the church of the living God. Oh yes, you can't impregnate a corpse. We're always trying to. You give no birth to a corpse. But if you revive it, that church can still have babies.

I said it can still have babies. There's never been a greater time than Sarah of the church and what real revival is. This is true, true, true revival. When Zion prevails, sons and daughters are born according to the Word of God.

You know, I've learned all along this trail that when I wake up at night, many times I wake up in the hours of the morning, two, three o 'clock, there's no pain, no noise, nobody breaking in. I don't have to go anywhere.

Then I know God has awakened me. And I lay there one night. I lay there. I knew God. My heart was beating a little faster. And I heard Him in the inner of my being. How many people do you believe are in hell now?

Because you haven't prayed like you ought to pray. When Zion prevails, they're born. When Zion prevails doesn't, they go to hell. That's as simple as that. You can point your finger wherever you want to, but the culprit is right here.

It is right here. The refusal to be what He wants when Zion prevails, they're born. But a dead religious system through the flesh has filled the church with half-breed terrors. It's impossible to prevail.

There have to be all kinds of programs. We invent all kinds of altar calls. We lead them down what we call Roman roads. And then we tell them they're saved. They'd spend the rest of our time trying to keep the poor things in the house of God simply because it never was a real birth of life.

I was born again on that Thursday night and nobody had to come tell me to go to church on a Friday night. Nobody had to tell me to be there on Sunday. And 56 years later, I still say I was glad when they said to me, let us go to the house of the Lord.

But a dead religious system through the flesh has filled that church with that which is not God. A true revival brings the joy, a true spiritual birth, but it brings more than that. I said it brings more.

A true revival brings the joy, a true spiritual birth, but more the birth of Isaac. Brought a division in that tent. It brought a warfare. A true revival will bring it every time. It'll bring a division.

There is that of one side. There is on the other. And when revival comes, it's going to divide that church. For everyone that doesn't get into it, it brought a war. Genesis 21, 9 -11. The only solution to that war was to cast out the son of that bondwoman.

You cannot entertain that flesh and continue to have the Spirit of God. One of them has to go. There cannot ever be it settled as long as we try to make peace. No need in Abraham petitioning that tent.

It isn't going to work. Sarah had it right. Get rid of that bondwoman and that boy. Sounds cruel. That's the only answer to it, folks. As long as we entertain the idea that somehow or another, God's going to accept that other nature, then we're going to live as we are today, cross-eyed, trying to look at everything in God too.

It does not work. There has to be a dealing. Cast out the bondwoman. Amen. The birth of Isaac brought that division. Paul said, These things are an allegory. In other words, they teach us about our life.

The moment you're born again, then there's two people inside of that human being. That's where the warfare begins. There's both the carnal and the spiritual in that one body. Me and the devil got along fine until I was born again.

Why, we was on talking bases. I'm telling you. I wasn't born in the eclipse. I enjoyed the pleasures of sin for 27 years. Amen. I wasn't born, as I said, in an eclipse. I love life. I never one time in my life thought about taking this life.

No, no. I never considered suicide the first time in my life. A lot of problems. A lot of difficulties. I never thought about taking this. But the night I was born again, that war came along. That other side's got to be put out now.

There is no way that the two can exist together. This is where the church is. This tragic, awful mixture of flesh and spirit trying to cater to both sides of the thing. The preacher trying to hold together what will not flow together.

You cannot mix oil and water and you cannot mix flesh and spirit. There will always be a division until you make it a clear line of demarcation. The lost can sit in the church to find God. But they cannot be a part of the work of that church.

If so, if we allow them to come in to be a part of it, we are destroying what God intended. Now, this warfare which began in Abraham's day has continued down through the ages. All these long years, it has continued.

It is a warfare, according to Paul in Galatians 5 .17, between flesh and spirit. He said it is the flesh lusting against the Spirit and the Spirit against the flesh. So, these are contrary or opposites.

And we cannot do what we would. I've dealt with Christians all these long years as a preacher. 35 years as a pastor. There were just certain things they couldn't turn loose of. And they wondered why they could never have real victory and freedom.

They were part of that old world they wanted to cling to. They didn't want to let Ishmael go. Abraham had not Sarah insisted would have kept that boy because he loved that boy. He loved what that boy brought to him.

But there's no way that he can continue in that tent and peace ever come to that tent. Now, Paul said that's the same as it is with us. This warfare between flesh and spirit is seen in Jacob and Esau.

First in the natural, then in the spiritual. You know, it's an amazing thing. Esau could have been a deacon in about any church in Belfast. He could have been a deacon in any assembly of God's church, Pentecostal church, Elam church.

He is a good man. Oh, he had the smell of the woods on him. His father thought he was a great man. Go get me one of them deer. He was a clean man, but God hated him. Jacob. No way he'd join any of our churches.

I met that Jacob many times. Amen. But no way. But God loved him. We would have made Esau a deacon. Loved to have him as a head of the board, but God hated him. Jacob, we weren't even allowed to be a member, but God loved him.

What made the difference? One was Jacob loved the spiritual. He would give his life to have that birthright. He was ready to die for that birthright, but Esau would sell it for a mess of pottage. He'd sell it to his own advantage anytime, any place, and God hated him.

I said God hated him. You all along the line, you see it in David and Saul. David could never come to that throne until Saul was deposed. He never could. You see it. In the days of Noah, only the spiritual escaped in that flood.

Only the spiritual. That's all that's going to be in that rapture is the spiritual. Those that walk with God. A lot of years ago, I pondered this. I'd been in a fast for several days in the church. And I remember I sat on that altar, and I said to God, I know, I know that You can do anything.

I read in the 15th chapter of the book of Corinthians, we're in a moment in a twinkle of an eye. We're going to get out of here. Those that are ready are going to be gone. I said that's the 20th part of a second according to this atomic age.

In a 20th part of a second, if He'd come tonight, those that are gone would get out of here. It just would saturate this place with our absence in less than a second. But I said, how? How, oh God? Are You going to call all of those names in the 20th part of a second?

There have to be millions of us from the dead and from the living that go up sitting on that altar. Nearly 50 years ago, He said, I'll call nobody's name. I sent the Holy Ghost into this earth to get a bride for my son.

And when that wedding day comes, don't talk about it in delay in His coming. There's a date already set for the wedding. And when that day comes, I'm just going to call Him home and everybody He's in is going to come with Him.

Only the spiritual. Not what you used to be. You may have talked in tongues 25 years ago. That was wonderful then, but how about now? It's that moment, that time, the careless will never be a part of that raptured church.

No flesh will be caught out of here in that moment. None. Only those that are walking with God. Now, you have with David, Noah, only the spiritual. In the book of Romans chapter 7, you have Paul in that terrible civil war in his life.

I know there's those that say he wasn't saved, but he couldn't wrote chapter 5 and 6 without being born again. But you come to 7, there's a terrible struggle going on within him. Anybody that really knows God knows what that struggle is.

That warfare of that flesh against the Spirit. Paul said, when I want to do good, I find evil present with me. Now that bothered me until I looked up the word evil and Mr. Strong says it translates from a word that is not murder, not adultery, not stealing, but those things that plague you.

You cross with your wife or with your husband. Those little things that creep in under provocation, that flesh rises up. He said, when I want to do good and evil, those kind of things is present with him.

I can tell you it's present with you too. Amen. He said this warfare is going on all of the time. Then he cried out, O wretched man that I am, who shall deliver me from the body of this death? And he cried out, Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

He used there in that body of death one of the means, as an example, one of the means the Romans put a man to death for. For certain crimes in the Roman state, they would chain a dead corpse to a human and he had to live with that, eat with it, sleep with it, till he died of the stench.

Amen. So what Paul said, what that corpse was to a living man, this carnal nature is to that spiritual man. We've never realized what a horrible thing that is. We've put up with it. We've pet it. We've tried to make excuse for it.

We quit preaching. We counsel it, trying to make it good. The whole purpose of the church is not to kill it, make it feel good about itself. Today it's over and over and over. The largest church in America said it got there because it never preached the cross or sin.

He said, I preached two messages or one message twice on a Sunday. He said, I believe that's enough for anybody. Sunday night, I'll tell the people, do what you want. I'm going to pull up that rocker in front of my television, turn the sports on, and my wife's going to make me popcorn.

That's flesh. See, that's psychology. That's not spiritual. Amen. We're so afraid of offending that tear that we won't deal with that flesh. Therefore, the church, you don't know where it's at. I preached one night many, many years ago on a born again child of God or a product of religion.

And in that message, I'd be in an assembly of God. I said, there are preachers in the assembly of God today, pastors that came up through the Sunday school, through the Christ ambassadors, and now preachers and they themselves have never been born again.

The devil tried to get on me and said, you pushed that too far. Well, at that time, we had one of the godliest men, Dr. Graham, was our superintendent, a man of God, a Pentecostal man that tolerated nothing that wasn't right.

And he used to come over some Monday, two or three times, maybe a month. I'd hear that old gravel voice, I was always there at five o 'clock praying. And I'd hear that old voice back there somewhere. Drive all the way from Houston, hour, hour and twenty minutes, be in that prayer meeting, then he and I'd have breakfast together.

That morning, walking across the parking lot, I said, Dr. Graham, I may have carried it too far last night. And I told him what I preached. He said, oh son, impossible here to carry it too far. If you had to deal with how I deal with in the preachers in this thing, you'd know you can't carry it too far.

All of it is because we've come to honor that which God said had to die. What God said had to die. Amen. This warfare which began in Abram's tent has continued through the ages. Amen. We see it in all these things.

In Paul, in Romans 7, it's a civil war on the inside of him. Something pulling him one way, but the Holy Ghost pulling the other. In every temptation of life, you have to make a choice. And that choice is, am I going to stay in myself, or am I going to stay in God?

Everybody. That's the choice. Every temptation that comes to you is just that there's a choice forced upon you. What we have here is two kingdoms in strife. One the flesh, the body of Satan. He functions through that.

When Jesus said, give no place to the devil, He's talking about that flesh. Give it rights anyway, and the devil will be there to collect that as worship. You can hang on to your little petty, envying, strife, unbelief, unforgiveness.

All you've done is give a devil the stronghold in your life to work for your destruction. Just hang on to it. You give him rights. You have to ask the Holy Ghost to come. You don't have to invite Satan.

Just leave a door. He'll camp in there. And your unforgiveness, your murmuring, your complaining, you allow it. See, that's His body. That's His. He has every right to be there. The church, which is the body of Christ.

It's two kingdoms in strife. Man is the supreme prize of this war. Satan wants man for his own work. He's a murderer. But to kill, he's got to find a cane. We never knew it was the devil that killed Abel until you get to 1 John.

But John let us know that he was just a tool in the hands of the devil. You see, the flesh, the works of the flesh, they are murder, adultery, sorcery, that's drugs, all of those things. But for the devil to do that, he has to have a vehicle for it to come through.

Spiritual Warfare and the Church

I pastored 35 years. I saw that devil come to that church. But I can tell you, he wore dress or pair of pants every time. He'd never come in there as some kind of a ghost. He walked in there. He plodded in there.

He was a vessel that had given itself over to that, and sad to say, they thought they were spiritual. They really thought they were spiritual. People terrorize church. I was preaching one morning, and on a given signal, 60 people stood up.

We had about 250 people at that time. 60 of them stood up. And like a herd of turtles walked out of that church. I mean, it took them 10 minutes to get out. I had three heart attacks, but I kept on preaching.

They just took their time, strolling out of that place. I kept preaching, almost sweating blood as it did. Amen. Just they planted, plodded it. Because I wouldn't submit to what they wanted. They had different ideas.

It'd come from other churches. Now they're going to bring that in here. Because I wouldn't allow it, they think they're going to destroy it. Well, it wasn't long until some of them began to come back.

And I met them at that door. And I said, I want to tell you, sir, the same devil you thought was here when you left, is still in this house. Nothing has changed, and nothing's going to change. So before you come back, I said, before you come back, you understand, you're going to come back on the terms of what this church is built upon.

That has to be, folks. You don't have to be mean, but you cannot try to appease that devil. Because he'd come to take it all. He don't want a piece of you. He wants all of you. And if you give him any place, a little leaven will work its way through that entire church.

Man is a prize. God made man that through him, that he would be able to express himself. Isn't it a wonderful thing that God, long before there ever was a human, there was this God? Long before there ever was a world or universe, God was there.

And that God had thoughts, had wills, had desires. So He created human beings for one thing, that through them, He might express those wills, those thoughts, that desire. That's the only reason. To contain all of God's thoughts, wills, and desires are comprehended in the person of His Son.

Everything. Every thought of that great God is in that Son. So He created us that He may fill the universe with the knowledge of that Son through we creatures. That's the reason all the angels of God rejoice when somebody is born again.

There's another vessel through which God's Son can live. That brings a shout through the corridors of heaven because there's somebody else now that God can use to express that Son. Satan desires man for the same purpose, that he may live through that man with his murder and destruction.

You see that in the terrorists and the things of this world. You see man has become the tool of Satan. In the terrible carnage, in the abuse of babies, the pedophilia, all of these things is Satan. Folks, that's what he is.

He is Beelzebub. He's a god of the dung heap. And he wants to live and manifest that dung heap through humanity. If we could just come awake to this. You see, Satan wants you for the same reason God wants you to manifest Himself.

God wants to work His will through me. His works, He wants Christ to live through me in the same way He lived through the body that Mary gave Him. God wants that to be. Well, Satan wants me that he may express Himself to plunder, to kill, to murder, to destroy.

Hence, man, the Bible says is fearfully and wonderfully made. Now that's chronologically correct. Fearfully and wonderfully born. I see the babies here in this place. I see the youngest grandson. Beautiful little boy.

Amen. What a wonder. Just innocent. The perfect picture of innocence. But how fearfully made is that child. Oh, he has a possibility of a Hitler, a Stalin, a Genghis Khan. Every baby born of a woman, born of this flesh has that possibility.

That is fearfully made. What a frightening thing. I stood in Austria in the railroad station where Hitler was carrying baggage as a teenager. He walked those, walking, making a little money as a porter in that train station.

I said, how, how could he ever come to where he was? Because there's no bottom to that depravity. None. There is no bottom. A lot, you see, is the carnage of that Old Testament. The Bible never said nothing about the devil.

He instigated. But that's human beings. There's no bottom to that depravity. Fearfully, fearfully, but oh, wonderfully made. That little grand boy, that little daughter, that little granddaughter, my four-year-old great-granddaughter had to talk to me today, so I got her on the phone.

Had to tell me about a little incident in her life. I look at her. Oh, my. Well, how wonderful. I wish I could park her. See, she's four years old. But I'll just stop her a little while, but she's going to grow on up.

But I've thought about her. How fearfully it is unless she comes to know Jesus. But how wonderful. She'll wake in the likeness of Jesus Christ. There is no top out to that new creature. No bottom to the depravity of that flesh.

But there's no top. Forever, forever, we'll be moving with God. It's a limitless life. It's the life that you develop is what you're going to be. The message of the Bible is that this war will greatly intensify as we near the end.

That flesh is going to come against that church. I've watched it. It's come inside. It runs it now. Well, they'll have anything in the church. Anything, folks. I'm telling you, I've never in my lifetime believed, I've seen go under the guise of worship what you see in a church today.

They'll bring in rock bands, hard rock. I know some of you have them in your church maybe. If it doesn't make it right, you're sincerely wrong. Amen. Those people admit to you that they're devil possessed.

They say, we gave ourself to the devil. Mick Jaggers, I believe it was, went to Haiti. Stayed down there at that jungle beat till the thing got in him, till he was possessed. Then he comes to our world.

That same thing come into the church. And we believe that because young people come to listen to it, that we're reaching them for God. All we're saying, we can't keep them out of the world, so bring the world in here for God's sake.