: Matt Slick Live: January 17, 2025

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Here's Matt Slick. All right, everyone, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live!

Today's date is January 17th, 2025. If you want to give me a call, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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Probably end up doing that today because it's usually slow on Fridays. Also we can, if you want, you can watch the show on Rumble, just go to rumble .com

forward slash Matt Slick Live. We're on Twitter, we're on Facebook, we're on YouTube.

So there's a lot of places and maybe they will point me to in the chat, which the private chat there.

The URL to the thing with all the social stuff, I want to make sure I get the URL right. All right, having said all of that, wow,

I can also listen on Clubhouse, too. That's another voice to listen. Boy, a lot going on, a lot going on.

All right, so tonight, 10 o 'clock Eastern time, I'll be on a,

I'll be kind of like being interviewed on a podcast. I'm going to be going over the issue of Marian doctrines,

Marian dogmas, and we'll be going through that. I've been saying for quite a while now that the

Marian issues of the Roman Catholic Church basically is just idolatry. And I'm serious, it's idolatry.

It's not me just saying it in hyperbole, it's idolatry, they're idolaters, and that they have turned

Mary into a functioning goddess. And we'll be discussing that tonight as well.

So if you're interested in that, there is a link. I put it on the debates thing.

I put it on karm .org forward slash debates. Now it's not a debate, but just an upcoming event.

And so we can use that. I think it might be a good idea to change that to debates to events or something like that.

I don't know. We'll figure it out. And you can watch that. I'll be going through stuff and documenting it from the official teachings of the

Roman Catholic Church. And let me just say this again, that the Roman Catholic Church promotes idolatry in its statements about Mary.

It is idolatrous and it teaches idolatry. In fact, last night we have at my house, we have once a month on the third

Thursday at my house, a bunch of people come over and it was last night and we just had a discussion about all kinds of things.

And one of the discussions moved into the issue of Mary and we went into the apparitions of Mary, which every now and then

I mentioned here on the radio, if you guys are interested, you want me to do that, let me know, do it again. But to me, this is absolute proof, absolute proof that the

Roman Catholic Church is false, is their official approval of these apparitions that they say are actually

Mary. And the only way I can conclude is that they are actually demonic manifestations and that the

Catholics have been deceived by demons. So when you read, you hear these apparitions, what they say, it's just blasphemy.

And yet the Catholic Church just approves of them. In fact, a few days ago I was talking on an online thing.

I go to Discord a lot, Clubhouse, various areas, Oculus, sometimes in the virtual world on big screen.

I'll go into various places with my headset, which I need a new one. But I'll go in and just do what

I can to witness and teach. And so I bring these things up in varying contexts.

And I'm going to tell you, the Catholics don't like it at all. And what's really interesting is how the Catholics justify the idea of their statements.

And they say, well, ultimately points to Jesus when it doesn't. Anyway, it's not a big deal, but I'm just saying it's really interesting.

All right. Now, if you want, you give me a call. Like I said, 877 -207 -2276.

We don't have anybody waiting right now. And what I'm going to do is just get to the radio questions, radio comments, radio questions that we get from people so that I can just address them.

And sometimes they go into the little teaching moments and people like that. Apparently people like it when

I don't take calls sometimes and just start teaching on a topic. Now, one of the topics

I'm interested in researching again, renewed, is the issue of baptism. And so I've been studying baptism a little bit more.

And I'm going to present some information in a while, some really interesting stuff. But anyway,

I really like to study various topics. All right.

Now, here's an email. This is from Ashley. I don't know if I've already gotten to this or not. Hey, Matt, my question is about idolatry.

I have been told that an idol is anything that takes priority in your life or thoughts. Yeah, we went over this a day or two ago.

I don't think we finished the email, though. And I was wondering if that would include hyperfixations and autistic special interests.

Well, that's interesting. I'm autistic. I've been diagnosed with Asperger's. They don't really call it that anymore.

But I have a sensitivity to touch, sound, and light.

My friends pick it up. They know. We all work around it. You know, we're in a car with them.

They can't play the radio. I can't focus. I can't hear them. I get overloaded. They know that. They just turn the radio off.

And that's simple stuff like that. Even with my wife, we go in. I'm going to a room she's in.

If she's got her phone playing something, music or something, I can't talk to her. Hon, could you please turn it down?

Because it's competing information and sound. Because I have 80 decibel ringing in both ears and this stuff.

So at any rate, it's not a big deal. It's just what it is. And so would this include hyperfixations and autistic special interests?

No, it would not. Well, it could, depending on how you do it and what you do with it and how far you go.

But the idea is that you're an idol and idolatry is when you give to a created thing, the adoration, worship, praise, whatever, that belongs to God alone.

And that's what idolatry is. The email goes on. These obsessions are often so extreme that nearly nothing can be above them.

But would God fault someone for a symptom of their disorder that they cannot help? Well, that's between God and you and what levels and how it's done.

I can't answer that one universally. But I can say that if you have something like this, there are ways.

And I know I'm speaking from the inside. There are ways to deal with them and to retrain yourself. One of the things

I recommend people do is to, in your mind, rehearse proper reactions in various situations.

Just rehearse them in your mind. A certain stimulus comes in and what you do. It takes a while, but you can change your behavior that way.

It's kind of a Skinnerian way of doing it, they say, but won't get into all that. So I hope that helps a little bit.

Let's try another one. In the current Biblical Archaeology Review, it says that the oldest manuscript of John 11 have

Mary in them, but not Mary and Martha. That Mary was added later. Are you familiar with this? No, I'm not. The writer points out that the papyrus, 66, discovered in 52, had a scribal change.

The scribe wrote a certain sick man, Lazarus, of Bethany, the village of Mary, and Mary, his sister.

Oddly, Mary's name appears twice here, but the scribe then corrected the text, making small adjustments so that now we read the village of Mary and Martha, her sister.

OK, this would be a question for someone who studies manuscripts, and that's not my forte, but it's worth kind of looking into.

It's worth looking into to see. It'd be an interesting topic as well.

All right, having said that, let's get to the next one. This is back in November.

I'll be having Thanksgiving at my grandma's house this year, and I'm not sure how to behave toward a family member that will be attending.

He has mental illness, paranoid schizophrenia. What you do when you're all eating is you look behind him and say, what is that?

And you're just stuff like this, you know. And then when you're talking to him, you keep looking, you know, until your head look behind him all the time, you know, and flinch a little bit.

You just have fun. No, I'm kidding, folks. But he was recently caught doing some prescription stuff.

He shouldn't be. My brother isn't OK. As Christians, how much grace should we show to family members who have mental illnesses but commit serious sins?

See, these kind of questions, you know, how much grace? It's not like it's measured in quantities.

How often? It's just not measured in numbers. What I tell people generally is if someone has an illness, you need to adapt to that as much as possible, whether it's mental or physical.

But you want to draw the line when it becomes sinful. And then you have to stand your ground as much as you can politely and lovingly.

And just say, no, I can't participate in it. Don't approve of that. Just because you have an issue doesn't justify bad behavior.

And that line needs to be established. And then as politely and lovingly and patiently, it needs to be stated and defended.

So that's just how you do that. You know, that's what you do. All right. All right.

Let's see. Here's another one. I would love to hear your wife on the radio.

Hope my wife's listening to that. They want to hear... People want to hear my wife on the radio. She's good on the radio, too. But she is super terrified of speaking in public.

Even when we had... Was it the 25th anniversary of CARM or the 20th anniversary? I had to have her come up with me on the stage.

And she didn't even want to do that. And I said, do you have to say anything? Just stand there.

And so I held her hand. We walked up. And we, you know, 20th anniversary.

Had a great time. And she stood there. And I just said, my wife, my favorite wife. And et cetera, et cetera.

And they applauded for her. Because she's got to put up with me. And so it's a full -time job.

And so that's it. Anyway. So if I can ever get her on the radio, I'm trying. You know, I want her to talk about the illness that she is under.

And how she deals with it, with the Lord. I think it would be very, very helpful for people. And so I keep telling her this.

And it's just simple. All she's got to do is call me on the cell phone. Just call in like this. We just talk. Not a big deal.

So thanks for saying that. All right. Let's see. I've got a long time question.

I have a few feel that is very important. I want to be able to respond as a Christian. My husband and I think our dog is seeing a spirit or something.

A large dog. Not afraid even of a mountain lion that they saw.

She has no fear. Every now and then she's terrified of a certain spot of the house. She'll hide behind the couch before morning.

But it would be like she's scared for her life. There could be a sound coming from that area.

And dogs can hear certain sounds. And it just could be something like that. It could be a spiritual thing as well.

So it got weird. I asked if I believe in aliens and said no.

And anyway. So it's a long paragraph here. So it's hard to know what the direct questions are.

But you know what we should do? We should have a way to if you have a question, go here.

And it limits what you can say. One question, a limit of 30 words or something like that.

We should do something like that. So that way people can give me direct, succinct answers.

Let's get Alberto from Georgia. Alberto, welcome. You're on the air. Yes. Good evening,

Matt Slick. I got a question. I'm not sure if this thing in the

Bible that teaches a carnal Christian. OK, let's talk about that after the break. Sorry about that. We're just bad timing on my part.

So hold on, buddy. We'll be right back after these messages. We'll talk about carnal Christians. Please stay tuned.

It's Matt Slick live, taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. Welcome back to the show. If you want to give me a call, the number is 877 -207 -2276.

All right. Alberto, you're back on the air. Yeah. My question is if there is such thing in the

Bible that teaches a carnal Christian. Well, yes and no.

Yes and no. There's first Corinthians three and the first few verses. It says and I, brethren, could not speak to you as a spiritual man.

But as to men of flesh, as to infants in Christ, I gave you milk to drink, not solid food.

For you, you were not able to receive it. Indeed, even now you're not able for you are still fleshly.

For since there's jealousy and strife among you, are you not fleshly? Are you not walking like mere men?

So this is a place in scripture where it talks about the flesh, the carnal self, and that how people can behave in bad ways.

Now, when people talk about carnal Christianity today, they generally mean someone who says they're a

Christian. So he or she says he's a Christian and doesn't live like it at all. It lives in carnality, lives in the deeds of the flesh, strife and envy, maybe watching porn, maybe fornicating, maybe using foul language, using the

Lord's name in vain. People, so many Christians do all the time now. So stuff like that.

So there's different degrees and levels of it. OK. OK, because, OK, because you mentioned that about Christian watching porn and all that.

I'll go first before I answer that. I saw a video of the R .C. Sproul and talking about carnal

Christians. He said that that concept was never taught before. He said he never heard that before.

I said, well, that's not come up. People came up with that idea of teaching carnal Christian. That's just right.

But but but how do you balance? Also, you just mentioned a Christian watching porn.

So how do you how do you balance that being a person practicing sin and a person who's watching porn or a

Christian? I'm not sure what you think. I don't see your question very, very much. But Christians shouldn't do that.

And if they do, they need to be very careful because the judgment of God could be upon them for this kind of thing.

OK, so. So are they bored again? Really? Even though they watch porn, you know, watch porn, watch porn on a daily basis.

There might be children watching and listening, so I don't want to talk about this too much. OK. Oh, OK. All right.

So I'm just saying that such things of sexual immorality among Christians should not be mentioned.

It should not be occurring. And that we want to make sure that we as Christians live a

Christian life. And OK, there needs to be counseling and accountability in varying areas.

OK. OK, and I got another question for you real quick. And the last time you mentioned about that, we we don't invite

Christ into our lives. Right. God is the one who decides to, you know, come. So so.

So how do you how do you balance a revelation? Chapter three, verse 20. Yeah, I said that door and knock and he's talking about the the church there at Revelation, not individuals with this unbiblical idea of people say, ask

Jesus into your heart. It doesn't that's not what you do. It's not in the Bible. You receive

Christ and you trust in Christ as the Savior, the one who atoned for your sins. And this this false teaching, ask

Jesus into your life and you'll be fine. You'll be saved. No, no, no. That's not what the Bible says to do.

That doesn't mean that people can't be saved in that that mistake.

But they need to trust in Christ, put their faith in what Christ did in the cross and not just ask him into their heart.

Now they receive Christ. John one to receive what he has done, trust in what he has done. That's what you're supposed to be doing.

OK. Also, no, no, no, we don't give him permission to come into our hearts.

It's just you're saying. Right. Yeah, we don't give God permission for things. It's a it's another stupid thing taught in a lot of churches.

God, I give you permission to blah, blah, blah. You know, it's just this idiocy of this. The stupidity of of of you have to give

God permission to work in your life. Give me a break. It's just, you know, the arrogance that's there.

OK. Don't people preach. OK, but don't preach. I said the Christ is a gentleman.

He won't break down the door. You know, that's what I thought. Who says so? Well, what? Wait, wait, wait.

Where does it say? Wait, hold on. Where does it say anywhere in the Bible? He's a gentleman. Won't break down the door.

Where does it say that? It's just I know. I know that. I know. Uh huh.

It is. Yeah. OK. So you've seen that picture. Jesus with a knock on the door.

He has no handle. It's a flat, flat door, right? Yeah, I know. It's just humanist philosophy in the church.

People aren't aren't studying the Bible. They're they're going to church and listen to to mediocre milquetoast sermons.

OK, this needs to stop. And Christians need to be dedicated to the word of God and not preach denominational necessities, but biblical truth.

And now I thought to say that all people don't think wrong. There's a lot of good pastors out there. But, you know, we do receive

Christ. John 1 12. But he grants that we have faith. Philippians 1 29. And we really do believe in God and we do choose to believe in him.

But this idea that God is a gentleman won't knock down the door of your heart. It's ridiculous. Who says he's a gentleman?

He causes us to be born again. First Peter 1 3. He Jesus says, you cannot come to me.

This is granted to you from the father. John 6 65. So that's been granted by. So there's just a lot of humanist philosophy and churches all over the place.

And because they serve the blonde haired, blue eyed Caucasian surfer view of Jesus, you know, and they want him to be polite and gentle.

But remember, he's the one who went to the temple and overturned the temple tables and drove people out with a cord made of what made of cords, you know, of animal lead animals with.

And he drove them out. And he is there for righteousness.

Now, I'm not saying that's the view of, you know, of Jesus. He's not a UFC fighter. No, no, no. But in righteousness, he stands strong.

And we need to do the same thing in the Christian church and preach the truth. And so that's what we need to do.

This idea of asking Jesus in your heart is not there. You receive Christ that is there.

And the idea that he's a gentleman won't break down the door of your heart. You know, it's just to get tired of stuff that people make up.

And then they put in a fortune cookie and say, see, this is how God works. And that's just not how it works.

Look, the Bible says God moves the heart of the king where he wishes it to go.

He's the guy who regenerates us. He's the one. God is the one who regenerates us. He's the one who redeems us.

He's the one who grants us repentance. Second, Timothy 225 grants that we come to Christ, John 665.

This is what we have to understand. And we need to ask God to intervene other people's lives.

And he does it in varying ways. Conviction of sin, movement of people into certain circumstances, having people preach and teach to them, or having a neighbor just be a loving

Christian for a long time. And it gradually works in someone's heart to the point that they receive Christ. All of it works together in the sovereign will of God, Ephesians 111.

And it doesn't mean we can be mean to anybody. We're not supposed to be that. We'll be gentle as Second Timothy three,

Colossians three, four, and five talks about Colossians four, five and six. And so we're supposed to be like that.

But I just get irritated when I hear this. Ask Jesus into your heart thing. It's very misleading.

OK, so how do you what is the Greek meaning for the word?

Like you said, you could just draw. I heard some people say, well, he's like forcing like he brought in his he draws as a mean as a guy.

The word draws and the word can also be used to mean drag.

OK, all right. We're going to break. God bless, man. OK, it's a break. OK, all right.

Hey, folks, be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned. It's Matt Slick Live taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276.

Here's Matt Slick. All right. And welcome back to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. Listen to Matt Slick Live. Just let you know, we will not be on the air live

Monday. Martin Luther King's holiday. So we'll be off the air Monday. So just get that's just an

FYI. Let's get on the air with Chuck from Greensboro, North Carolina.

Chuck, welcome. You're on the air. All right. Good evening. My question comes from a revelation.

Chapter seven, where they named the 12000 witnesses from each of the tribes.

And I'd like to know if you know why the tribe of Dan was omitted and instead, the elder son of Joseph was included in Manasseh.

I think it's because Dan, the tribe of Dan entered, introduced idolatry. I think that's what it was.

If I remember correctly. That's kind of what I remembered. OK, that's good enough. I have a comment about the call of Christian.

I believe the verses you cited correctly identify call Christians. But in the letters of John, he says clearly that if you essentially, if you're a follower of Christ, you don't continue in sin.

Now, if you, for example, are an alcoholic, you might continue to struggle. Or if you have any of these other addictions, you might continue to struggle.

But you don't just continue on as though no change has been made in your life. Right. There should be some change, a struggle.

Now, the perfection is not what we can attain. And we don't judge ourselves by perfection.

God will do that. But we are to definitely work against that sin. And if there's no struggle, then it's an indication you're not saved.

If there's no struggle against your sin, it doesn't mean you're not. But that's just an indication. Well, thank you very much.

Keep up the good work and God bless you. OK, no problem. God bless. All right.

Now, let's get to Fred from North Carolina. Fred, welcome. You are on the air. Well, good evening, sir.

I really enjoy your show. Oh, thank you. I have a situation more than a question.

I would like to know what your biblical take is on this situation.

I was telling the screener that my wife and I have been married. This June will be 40 years for us.

And I'm 60 years. We're both 60. I am still very much interested in I want to keep this

G rated. Intimacy, intimacy. There you go.

That'll work. All right. Intimacy. And she, on the other hand, has turned the switch off and don't have anything to do with it and haven't for years.

OK. And it's getting to the point of, you know, it's just very difficult.

All right. You're a Christian, right? Yes, sir. We both are. Yes, very much so.

OK, so what you need to do is go to the church you're going to and you need to talk to the elders about this.

This is definitely an issue of discipline. Now, normally speaking, unless there is a medical reason, a specific reason that that intimacy is not possible, which does occur, then if that's not the case, then she is in sin.

First Corinthians 7 5. Stop depriving one another except by agreement for a time so that you may devote yourself to prayer and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self -control.

So that's first Corinthians 7 5. So you need to go to the elders of the church. You just lay it out and they need to bring her in to have a discussion and she needs to be asked, what's the reason for this?

And if there's, again, G -rated physical issues or just that very generic issue, a very generic label, if there is nothing there that prevents normal stuff, all right, there's no real reason, then she needs to be told that, and this is hard, sorry, but that's not the right thing to do with your husband.

And you need to be there for your husband. It says she needs to be there for you.

And if she says things like, well, I don't want to, I don't care to, well, that's irrelevant. So this is what the scriptures command.

And it's just like you could say, well, I don't want to work and provide for you. So you do what you got to do.

And so if I was a pastor and this came up, and let's say in this case, the woman did not want to, and there was no good reason to it.

There was none. I would then say that this needs to be taken care of.

You're in violation of scripture. And if you do not repent of this, we will have to bar you from taking communion.

Is that serious? Oh, yeah. Okay. Because the command is stop depriving one another.

Okay. Now, if she's got both of her legs broken from an accident and she's in a coma, yeah, apply.

Yeah, yeah, exactly. There's issues. And let's just say that I'm aware of varying people and issues and medical this is and that's.

And so that whole area of their life is drastically altered. And when there's necessity like that, that's okay.

And we just deal with it. But if there is none, that's a different topic.

And she needs to be brought before the elders of the church. They need to politely, lovingly tell her what her obligation is as a faithful wife.

And then if she does not conform to that, she needs to come under church discipline.

Okay. Now, what would you suggest that I try to talk to her before or no?

Yes, it depends. You could say to her, hon, look,

I'm trying to be as polite as possible. And if you mentioned you talked to a guy named Slick on the radio, it might not add any.

Yeah, no, I won't bring that up. So, you know, but aside from that humor there, you can just say this is what the scriptures teach.

It's 1 Corinthians 7 verse five. All right. And this is it.

And hon, look, there's nothing in scripture or if there's no physical problems, et cetera, there's nothing to justify this abstinence, forced abstinence upon you.

Then you just say, if this doesn't change, I will be required to go to the elders of the church and talk to them about this.

Now, she will probably react emotionally, feel threatened, and it won't help.

And I'm sure she would. Yeah, I'm sure she would, too. And so this is why you're gonna be very careful with it.

And then if she doesn't comply for a week or two or whatever it is, then you say, okay,

I'm going to the elders. And that might embarrass the bejeebers out of her. She might not want to go to church anymore.

Well, yeah, I don't want that. I mean, right. I don't want that at all.

I just I'm a type person that needs love and affection and attention.

And, you know, but anyway, well, I get it.

Well, I'll definitely thank you for your time. Sure, sure. And this is a very touchy topic, particularly when it comes to intimacy and a woman's emotions.

They are tied together, and the slightest wrong raised eyebrow can set you back days.

That's how it is. That's what I definitely want to stay away from.

So thank you again. I really appreciate it. All right, brother. God bless.

Okay, you too. Well, okay. All right. So this is a tough, a tough issue.

And, you know, like I said, if your spouse has physical, medical, whatever they call it, conditions that restrict certain things like that be very, very generic here, then the other spouse needs to accommodate as much as possible.

And sometimes a counselor who deals with this can have suggestions.

Why am I being so vague? I've had to discuss this with married couples before. And then only in that context when both are present and I have the permission of both of them, particularly the husband, that I then broach the topic a little bit more precisely and only if they agree and things like that.

It's a very touchy subject. I want to make sure that people understand that and not be casual about it at all.

But women have got to understand something about men that just because you don't feel something doesn't mean he isn't.

Just because you are fine doesn't mean he is. We are different. We are different.

And we have this thing called testosterone. And testosterone makes you see things, think things differently.

It's very strong. And if a woman then for no good reason just says no, the wife that is, then she does not understand the difficulty she's placing her husband in.

And she's causing him suffering and harm in that. That's something to consider.

We can get into more of that some more time. But it's true. All right, folks. We'll be right back after these messages. Please stay tuned.

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Taking your calls at 877 -207 -2276. Here's Matt Slick.

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to the show. I just want to let you know, give you a reminder that in November this year,

I, myself, and some others are going to be going to Jordan. A Bible tour to the country of Jordan.

It's safe. Not a problem. And we'll be going to Petra.

It takes a bit of walking to get there. I've heard 12 miles round trip. So it's a bit of walking. You're going to be in shape for that.

That's one thing. And we're going to be going to the place of Sodom and Gomorrah, which I'm really interested in seeing. And apparently, you can pick up sulfur balls there that are there.

And so I want to take one back. So if you're interested in something like that, all you have to do is check out 2025jordan .com.

2025jordan .com. And you can go check out all the information. All right. All right. Now, let's get to Dr.

K from Wisconsin. Welcome. You're on the air. Hi, Mr. Maxlick.

I've only listened to your show once, and I'm not sure if my question is in the correct format.

But I was wondering, what would be your either definition or instruction on how a person can honor their mother and father if they're as a

Christian, if their mother and father do not follow the same religion or your parents actually define honor by insisting that you follow their specific religion?

That's not what it means to honor. No, you honor your mother and your father up to the point where they request you to violate scripture.

You do not honor anybody to the point of violation. And so you can't do that if it's a false religion.

Now, if it's Christian denomination, you can talk about stuff. But if it's not a religion, what religion are they? Well, my parents are actually

Greek Orthodox. And if I don't take the Eucharist or even enter a

Greek Orthodox church, I'm kind of probably a word I shouldn't say. On live

TV, I'm not a good person. So Eastern Orthodoxy is not

Christian. It's a false religion. It's an apostate Christian -ish religion that teaches a false gospel, a false priesthood, and a false marriage.

So I know quite a bit about it. And so your parents may not be even true believers and may be destined to hell.

And I'm not judging them. I'm not saying that is the case, because they may be true believers inside of that. That mess.

But I'm just saying this is something that you already seem to be aware of. So one of the things you can do is you can say to them, you have different options.

One is to go to their church to do research. And then they will then ask you questions.

What did you think? And they'd say, well, I don't understand why you would want to kiss statues and icons and pray to Mary.

Can you show me that in the Bible? Oh, you can't have that conversation in our family. So I just left.

I left Orthodoxy when I was saved in 2018. And I refused to step foot in the

Catholic Church. And I'm kind of like, what do you call it?

Not excommunicated, but disowned. Well, that's what it is.

You can say that casually. And I don't want to just be emotionless about it.

But that's what it says. Jesus came to divide a mom against a daughter and father against son, because they choose him over their religion.

And so, yeah, I'm with you. I can understand what you mean. I have no problem going to those places, because I go to research.

And they don't affect me. Yeah, I just do that. Because I've been brought up, that's the only religion in my general, you know, from grandma to great grandma, great, great, great, great, great grandma.

And I specifically work in trauma and abuse. And I actually have encountered a lot of victims of sexual abuse in both the

Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Church. And I don't want to step foot in both churches anymore.

I have nothing to do with it. Good. I wouldn't do it. But you can ask them, you can put statements in their heads.

But you could try things like this. If you can show me a documented tradition from the apostles that's not in the

Bible, I'll follow it. Oh, yeah. But then you get the answer, like the early church fathers and our patriarchs have a secret, you know, extra books that, you know,

I probably, you know exactly what I'm talking about when you deal with Greek Orthodox, you know.

So that's all I've heard is like secret tradition. And we're the one true church. And our tradition was handed down right from the apostles.

And you can't even bring up the Bible because it's, you know, you just can't.

You can't argue with you cannot argue with these people without them becoming volatile and cursing you and being abusive.

Oh, yeah, I've been called a lot of bad words. I've been called demon possessed. I've been called a whore, the

B word. I've been called pretty much everything because I will not attend the church anymore.

And allegedly, my children are damned to hell because they know I don't take them for the Eucharist every

Sunday and the whole shenanigans. Sometimes when I meet people like that online and they condemn me in their true church,

I say I've studied. I could say this. I've studied a lot of religions, and they all claim all the falsehood claim to be the true church.

I say you're to die right now. Where would you go and why? Are you being good enough? Are you doing enough to keep yourself right with the infinitely holy

God? Are you doing enough? Because it sounds to me like you're not. You're full of anger. You're full of the deeds of the flesh.

You're obviously failing. And so it looks like if you're to die right now, you go to hell. That's what your church is teaching you.

Yeah, say it. And then it just oh, man, but you got to fight fire. I know that it's like, like, yeah, there's claws, multiple claws come out.

But I just am not really concerned anymore with their reaction. Yeah, we use holy water.

It was one of the old bottles of holy water. They might have given. Yeah, I just want to make sure that I'm being

Christian and I'm walking with the Lord and that there's a certain degree of guilt and feeling bad when your mother, you know, you don't

I don't regularly talk to them anymore because I it always will go to, you know, that, that I mean, we were we were raised.

I don't know if you're familiar with Mount Athos in Greece and the monastics. A little bit. Yeah, that's that's where we were raised by the monks and the nuns.

We're like hard. No, I'm I'm female, so I would not. But the monks, I don't know if you are ever familiar with one who moved here.

Elder Ephraim in Arizona has multiple monasteries. My parents brought him to the states, helped financially bring him to the states and set up multiple monasteries across the

United States. So we were raised like very strict, you know, like that.

So, yeah, I've been through the whole thing. Luckily, I was saved in twenty eighteen and I I question everything.

And I did a lot of research. Mike Gendron helped me and as much as he could. And I just I just what you're supposed to know.

I go to a non -denominational but probably has like a Baptist kind of background.

But but I really do. I'm a retired medical professor, so I do a lot of study on my own, a lot of study on my own.

And I've been very blessed by the Holy Spirit. Oh, I have been blessed. And here's the thing, like there's a lot of resources for ex -Catholics to help support them, but there's none for us

Orthodox. It's really like and Orthodox are even more sneaky, like they'll separate themselves from the

Catholics, even though they're on the ecumenical movement. It's all about them being together, but they justify everything, putting the

Catholics down and setting themselves apart as the one true church.

So it's just, you know, it's hard. And I just want to make sure, like, because I know that, you know, we're very close to the end.

And I believe in a pre -tribulation rapture. And I think we're very close. And I just want to make sure that I'm walking with the

Lord and not dishonoring the Lord by not communicating with my parents as much anymore.

Like if they needed anything, I would run in a heartbeat, but I'm not about to sit at a

Christmas dinner and be, you know, told about how it always goes to our church.

And I'm interested in keeping contact with you because you're obviously intelligent, educated, and you've been through this.

We have a section on Eastern Orthodoxy that I'm working on. And I have my notes on Eastern Orthodoxy in Word, which is about 140 pages, 150 pages.

And so if you would like, you could email me your phone number or an email address, whatever it is.

And we could just stay in contact a little bit because maybe you could do some consulting with me. You can help me out to understand certain things that I would not know and could not know, not having gone to that organization.

Yeah. What is your email address? Just info at CARM .org, C -A -R -M dot

O -R -G. And do you need anything in this? Yeah, I have.

Yeah. Okay. I read about your toll house. That's what I was raised on the toll house. No way.

They actually taught it? Yes, I was raised with that. Yes, I was raised with the toll. I have the book. I actually have the book supposedly all about the

Theotokos and her life because supposedly um, yeah, I have that.

I'm from actually a town, a little village in Greece, um, where it said, so there was an avalanche.

There's a big rock and there's a handprint in it. And they say it was the Theotokos that stopped the rock from destroying the village.

And that's why there's a monastery built up there. Um, I think there's been a history channel.

Oh, we're in Greece. Um, we went to Corinth. We went to Thessalonica. Uh, and then we went to a place really high up was a monastery up on a big mountain.

So there's, yeah. Which in which area? I don't know. We were on the bus going here and there.

Cause our, our monastery, but our monastery is on a very unique mountain. It looks like a rectangle. It's very square.

Oh, okay. And you know how like kind of the Catholics have different names for the Virgin Mary and this

Virgin Mary is, um, Theotokos Grigopikos. It's quick to hear your prayers because they said when the monks heard the avalanche, they put their hands together and pray called on the

Virgin and she stopped it. So they, her nickname is Theotokos quick to hear your prayers.

Idolaters. Yeah. Yeah. You know, at the bottom of the website, there's a link, you know, it's info at you could give me contact information.

We're going to be expanding the, uh, these Orthodox stuff. East Orthodoxy is making a comeback.

And I see a lot of people like a lot of non Greeks or a lot of non

Greeks joining. And I kind of feel bad for them. That's the ones who actually have a lot of victims of sexual, like a lot.

It's really disturbing. That's what you have when you have a cult for religion. Yes. Supposedly, supposedly, like the leaders are clairvoyant, clairvoyant and faintly.

But if you're that clairvoyant and you have visions of the end of the world or visions of this, did you not have a vision of your so we'd try and keep, you know, that's okay.

So, uh, just send me some information. Okay. And, um, and then look at the, look at my

Eastern Orthodoxy stuff. I get a lot more to put up. I debate. I argue with them.

Oh gosh. I feel sorry for you. I'll definitely keep you in my prayers because I know what that's, what that's like.

I enjoy it. It's really interesting. Now, like to break.

Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. I'll email you. All right. Thanks a lot. Okay. Okay. Hey folks, there you go.

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