Revelation 12 Con't

Revelation 12 and the Woman, the Dragon, and the Male Child

We thank you for this day, Lord, we thank you for this opportunity we have to come together in fellowship with one another and to just open your word, Lord, and take a really deep dive into studying what you revealed to the Apostle John and through him what you revealed to us.

We thank you for that, we thank you for this brother who opens up the scriptures and expounds on them in a way to ensure an understanding of this assembled body of the Lord, so we thank you for that, we thank you for all that you do, we pray this through your Son, our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, Amen.

Revelation chapter 12, beginning in verse 1,. And a great sign appeared in heaven, and a woman clothed with the sun and the moon under her feet and on her head a crown of twelve stars, and she was with child.

She cried out, being in labor and pain, to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven, and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads, ten horns, and his heads were seven diadems, and his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven, three of them to the earth, and the dragon stood before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth he might devour her child.

And she gave birth to a son, a male child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron, and her child was caught up to God and to his throne, and the woman fled into the wilderness where she had a place prepared by God, so that there she would be nourished for one thousand two hundred and sixty days.

And there was war in heaven, and Michael and his angels waging war with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels waged war, and they weren't strong enough, and there was no longer a place found for them in heaven.

And the great dragon was thrown down, and the serpent of old, who is called the devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world, he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him.

Then I heard a loud voice in heaven saying, Now the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, and he accuses them before our Lord day and night, and they overcame him because of the blood of the land and because of the word of their testimony, and they did not love their life, even faced with death.

For this reason, rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them, woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing he has only a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child, but the two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman so that she could fly into the wilderness to her place, where she was nourished for a time, times, and half a times from the presence of the serpent.

And the serpent poured water like a river out of his mouth after the woman so that he might cause her to be swept away with the flood, but the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth, so the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went out to make war with the rest of her children, those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

And the dragon stood on the sand of the seashore, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea having ten horns and seven heads, and on his horns were ten diadems, and on his heads were blasphemous names, and the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like that of a bear, his mouth like that of a lion, and the dragon gave him his power and his throne and great authority, and I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed, and the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast.

They worshipped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast, and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him? There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and the authority to act for forty-two months was given to him, and he opened his mouth and blasphemies against God and blasphemies against his name and his tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

It was also given to him to make war with the saints, to overcome them, and the authority over every tribe and people and tongue and nation was given to him, and all who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name was not written from the foundation of the world and the book of the life of the Lamb who has been slain.

If anyone has an ear, let him hear. If anyone is destined to captivity, to captivity he goes. If anyone kills with the sword, with the sword he must be killed. Here is the perseverance and faith of the saints.

Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth, and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spoke like a dragon. He exercised all the authority of the first beast and in his presence. He makes the earth and those who dwell on it to worship the first beast whose fatal wound was healed.

He performs great signs so that he even makes fire come down from heaven to the earth in the presence of men, and he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which was given to him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image of the beast who had been wound of the sword and has come to life.

And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. And he causes all, the small, the great, the rich, the poor, the free, the slave to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, and he provides that no one will be able to buy or sell except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name.

Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man, and his number is six hundred and sixty and six. All right, so last week we had the seven scenes.

The seven scenes was the woman, right?

Yea?

Nay?

We said it was who? True Israel, right? True Israel. And the stars, because this is going to be important, how we understand this section, what did the stars represent? When she had the crown, the stars represented, I said, how I understand it, okay?

You can disagree with me, I'm fine with that. How I understand it, what did the twelve stars represent? The church, correct, because if I'm being consistent with what I have already said back when we did the 144 ,000, remember the twelve tribes that were listed?

So the twelve stars on her crown, basically that's Mother Israel or the Bride of Israel. Let me just make a, we got, with this woman being introduced, this now, in this section, as we move forward, you're going to see a distinction between two types of women.

You're going to have the whore and the bride. Who is this one?

She'd be the bride, okay?

So this is the distinction you're going to see moving forward. That's why these personifications that are introduced here carry on through the rest of the book, whether it be the beast, whether it be the offspring of this woman once the male child's taken up.

These personifications of people and descriptions will carry on towards the end. So these stars represent the people of God, and I would say old and new, okay? People of God, old and new, because last week when I said that line through which Jesus was born, did it come through the apostate line, or did it come through the faithful.

Line?

It obviously came through the faithful line. So here we are. We briefly got through the first section. The woman was crying out in pain, fixing to give birth, and then it says, then another sign appeared in heaven.

It was a great red dragon. I don't want to deal yet with the seven heads and the ten horns and the ten diadems. We will get to that, because the same description that's given here for Satan is also going to be the same description in just a few chapters later about the beast.

So if we'll just, let me just not deal with that now. I'll never skip anything. I'll come back.

Okay?

I'm not a skipper. I will come back, and we'll make the connection. But it says here in verse 4, because we didn't get to this part, and this is going to take some time to understand. This is why we have to understand what the stars were.

Okay?

It says, and his tail, meaning who? Who's to his tail? The dragon.

Satan.

Okay?

And his tail swept away a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood over the woman who was about to give birth, so that when she gave birth, he might devour her. Now, there has been gallons of ink spilled on chapter 4, I mean verse 4.

I would imagine when I say this, many of you will understand when I say this. How many of you have heard that Satan took a third of the angels with him when he fell.

From heaven?

Anybody?

No?

Nobody? Okay. Okay.

All right. Yeah.

And that's kind of the, that's the typical, traditional, in quotations, historical view. But if you follow the train of thought, and if you're following this in its chronological order, and this is chronological, this section here is chronological, because Christ has not even been born yet.

Okay?

We all agree that the child is Christ. I don't think anybody in here would disagree that the child in this section is Christ.

Why?

Because it specifically says what he's coming to do, and he's going to come and he's going to rule and reign with a rod of iron. I think some passages say shepherd. The Septuagint says rule, or yeah, rule, and then the Septuagint, because it's a quotation from chapter 2 of Psalm 2, rule or shepherd his people with a rod of iron.

So we know who this is. In the, in the flow of the train of thought, this dragon is waiting to take the child, but before then, he, he, the, he sweeps away a third of the stars of heaven. Does anybody, who was in here when I did Daniel study, who all was in here?

Okay.

When I did Daniel, this is an exact quotation from the book of Daniel, and in the book of Daniel, you had, in chapter 7, you had the four beasts, anybody remember the four beasts that come up? It was a parallel to Nebuchadnezzar's dream.

Nebuchadnezzar had the, the empires, but then when you get to chapter 7, you have the, each one of these empires, Babylon, Medo-Persian, the Greek, and the Romans, they were then shown as beasts. And the lion was who?

Babylon. The bear was Medo-Persian, remember, because he was kind of jacked up, remember if you read chapter 7, it's like the bear was kind of jacked up on one side, and the reason being is because the Medo-Persians were actually outdone by the Persians, and the Persians actually then take over, it becomes the Persian Empire, so the Medo-Persians.

Then you had the leopard. Who was the leopard? It was Greek, and it had to do with how fast he was going to sweep over the earth, conquer the earth in 12 years. And then there was the crazy hybrid one that had, had teeth like iron, and every time I read that, I think of the 007 movie, remember the guy, jaws, I think his name was, it had a crazy grill that had the teeth, and remember he bit the pipe in half in one of them?

Okay, that's what I think of, sorry. So you had this crazy beast, this hybrid, who was like a lion, like a bear, swift like a, but he had teeth like, like, like iron, and it was swift, and it also says it threw arrow into the ground, and it crushed them, okay, that's in chapter 7.

But then you see a section where you have the son of man. The son of man's going to come, he's going to go to the Ancient of Days, and when he goes to the Ancient of Days, what does he receive? He receives a kingdom that will never end, and it basically destroys all the kingdoms of the world.

Okay, so that was talking about when the Messiah comes, he was going to do away with the reigning and ruling of the kingdoms of the world, and why is that? Because the gospel was going to go out, and it was going to conquer the world, not through military power, but through the hearts of its people, okay?

But then, you have, in chapter 7, it goes, well there was this little horn that came up, and we see who that little horn is, it speaks blasphemous words, which is a parallel also to chapter 13 of the Beast, but then when you get to chapter 8, he goes back, he goes back, and he says, I'm going to give you some more information about this third empire, and that third empire, if you remember chapter 8, you had this air-propelled goat, anybody remember that part of it?

It was like, it was flying across the earth, that shaggy goat represented Greece, and we know that because it tells us that. And it said it had these horns, it had one horn, that horn got destroyed, meaning Alexander the Great died, and then these four horns pop up.

Those four horns represented the splintering of the Greek empire, anybody remember what those four split into, Cassander, Lysimachus, the Seleucids, and the Ptolemies, or Ptolemies, and when it split into that, then the Seleucid empire and the Ptolemies become the two, king of the north, king of the south, remember that, when we got to the end of the book of Daniel, and you had that real long section.

Alright, well that one little horn that pops up out of the shaggy goat that had four takes over, it says that that little horn that raised itself up, it spoke blasphemous things against the people of God, and it threw the stars of heaven to the ground.

That's what this is speaking of. Now there's two ways of understanding this. If you do it in its chronology, this really could be speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes, Antiochus IV was the one in view, liberal scholars, conservative scholars, people that don't even believe that Jesus is the son of God, just believe in the historical, what was being said in Daniel, say, no doubt, it was Antiochus Epiphanes, okay?

So as, if we're reading this chronologically, this could be speaking of that intertestamental time when Antiochus Epiphanes raised himself up, he did persecute the people of God, and the third should not be taken as to be a statistical precision of number.

Remember I told you all that from the beginning, when we see these numbers, they're representative, not always in precise. So a third is how I understand it, all the way through the book, is a, is the largest fraction before you get to a half, so a significant minority is how I would understand it.

And what happened with Antiochus Epiphanes, do you remember what he did? He did some crazy stuff. He went into the Holy of Holies, he sacrificed a pig on the Holy of Holies, claiming himself to be God, or the son of Zeus, offered up an offering to Zeus, and then what did he go out and do in the land of Israel?

He wreaked havoc. Yes, sir?

Was it under his rule that there was like 800 Pharisees crucified and their families were slaughtered at the foot of the cross?

That I'm not, that I'm not sure, because I don't know if the Pharisees had fully developed in 168 B .C.

So then it might not have been him, but you're saying they didn't develop at his time when he ruled.

Yeah, in the intertestamental time, the Pharisees, they did, just to let you know, the Sadducees and Pharisees developed in the intertest, everybody know what I mean by intertestamental time?

Okay.

Okay, it developed in that time, if that was the case, I don't know if that, I don't remember him doing that, I'm not saying that's not, you could read Maccabees, the Maccabees is the historical events of what took place with Antiochus Epiphanes, and that sounds like something he would do, just to let you know, he was brutal, I mean, if he made, he changed times and seasons, per se, in Jerusalem, he set up a gymnasium in Jerusalem, which was absolutely blasphemous, because anybody remember why?

What did they do in the gymnasium? They did the games, but they did it naked, gumnos is the Greek word for naked, where you get the word gymnasium from, okay? So, he set those up, he said, no more Torah, no more Bible, no more circumcision, and if he found out that the women had circumcised their boys, he would kill the child, tie the arms behind the woman's back, and then drape the dead child, and let her carry the dead child around in the city around her neck, he was ruthless, man, he was ruthless.

So, if that's what this is speaking of, certainly could be the case, okay? Certainly, it fits the chronology, but it also could be, just speaking of what the devil's going to do, if you don't hold that strict chronology like I hold, it could just be that it's speaking of that the devil, in this governmental power, this dragon, is wreaking havoc on the people of God, and he did throughout the ages, trying to do what?

Keep the seed from being born. I mean, I've spent 30 minutes babbling on to you all last week about the development through biblical theology of how Christ was going to come, and that the seed was always in danger.

So, we could even say, if this is speaking of Antiochus Epiphanes, how he threw the stars to the ground, being possessed by the devil, or empowered by the dragon, per se, what was his goal? To keep the seed from being born, and he used that through that wicked man, but ultimately, God says, I won't have it.

You may remember what happened in the Maccabean Revolt, Maccabean Revolt come in, 168 to 164, the Maccabees then raise up a revolt against the Seleucid Empire, and they overthrow them, they recapture the temple, they cleanse the temple, where we get Hanukkah.

Just to let you know, that's where Hanukkah comes from, it's the rededication, rededication, rededicating of the temple to God by the Maccabees. Now, we're going to talk about this war that does take place, I don't believe there was a war in heaven, per se, before the foundations of the world, okay?

I know that it is a, it is a tradition that there was a war between God and the devil, and there was a try to usurp his throne in heaven, and that is where this here, when we get to verse 7, where this fight takes place, and you have these two arch enemies fighting one another, and then that's where the third of the stars, the angels, go to with Satan.

I'm just going to, I don't, do you know this, there's no biblical, there's no biblical warrant for that. I'm not saying it couldn't have happened, but there's nothing in scripture that tells us that's what took place.

If you want to see when the war, you got your hand up?

Well, no, just something about Jude, when he talks about the angels that left their first estate, and were trapped, and were tied to everlasting chains of darkness, and then when Jesus, he casts out, you know, the swear he casts out the demons and the pigs, well, the demon, you know, went down and said, don't cast us out before the time, as to, as to just, I can see why they, you know, why such a correlation is made with that, and this casting of, this casting out of the angels, and then when Jesus says, when he says, in the time, you know, I saw Satan fall from heaven, I can see how, how they, um.

And I would understand the, the seeing Satan fall from heaven, I, there's something called speaking prolifically, and there's also, it's the fancier theological word is the prophetic.

Perfect.

So when Jesus is speaking there, in the, where he said he saw Satan falling like lightning from heaven, that's the passage you're talking about? I think that's in Matthew chapter 12, around verse 29. When he says that, what had just come back?

They had just come back from casting out demons, and he said, and he says, look, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven to the ground. Well, based on this text right here, Satan has not been thrown to the earth yet.

Let's just, I mean, if we just go back and read it. I just want, let, when we have these ideas that there was this, you know, this war in heaven before time began, and all of that, um, if there's nothing in scripture to warrant that, let's just see if we can defrack ourself from all of the, yes ma 'am?

Where do we get that idea then? Right here. They can, what they do is they, it's called, it's actually called conflate. Can, what is, conflating is taking two ideas, putting them together, meshing them together, and then twisting them to make it mean what it really is not saying, okay?

That's really, now, if somebody wants to, conflate can have a bad connotation, and I would say 99 .9 of the time it does. Politicians do it all the time, okay? So we should not use conflation with the scripture.

If somebody wants to compress ideas together and say, hey, we're trying to, to, to give a development of what took place, I could say yes, but when you have two different time frames, you can't, you can't compress the two.

You conflate them to make it, the, the war in heaven that supposedly took place before time began is often a reference to Ezekiel 28 and Isaiah 14, okay? And I just, I think I've said this here before.

Don't take my word for it. Just go back. I want you to read those passages in their context. Satan ain't mentioned. Satan ain't introduced. One's about the fall of the king of Tyre, and one's about the fall of the king of Babylon, and it's actually speaking about Nebuchadnezzar, who was looked as a star, okay?

And what did God say he was going to do to Nebuchadnezzar? Because he failed to, to see that it was him that God raised up. What did, what did Nebuchadnezzar say? I did this. I did this, and I did this, and God said, today you will eat grass, okay?

That's it. I mean, it's clearly, who is he talking to? King of Babylon. Ezekiel 28. Clearly, who is he talking to? It tells us. There's no, there's no ambiguity. He tells us. No confusion. Babylon, Ezekiel.

But then, Rachel, in that particular, you know what they do? That's conflation. They conflate those with this passage here, and they conflate it. And early church fathers started that, and it has been passed on down, okay?

Listen.

Passed on down as tradition. Tradition then becomes dogma. And it becomes unchallenged. Look, if you're sitting here today, and that's what you want to believe, my cauldron ain't gonna think you're bad, okay?

I mean, at the end of the day, it doesn't change whether Christ's atonement was sufficient,.

Okay?

But if we're going to be biblicist, and we're going to be, we're going to see what does the text say, that's how we have to understand it. And the text doesn't say any of that. I will say, too, a lot of what has, has led to the understanding that, for the last three to four hundred years, is not only the church father that just kept getting regurgitated over time, okay, and people just begin to say it.

Just, just like the secret rapture, people just started spitting it out, and what happens before it becomes unchallenged, all right? And I would suggest you reading this. It's a good poem. It's actually a book, Paradise Lost by John Milton.

You would be, you would be, your heart would be enthroned with the writing of it. You would be enjoyable, but understand, his idea has added to this war in heaven. It's a poem. It's not real, but he talks about the fall.

It's called Paradise Lost, okay? Talks about the fall in, in the garden, and it has all of that. You know where that war, you know it's described?

That.

The war in heaven by John Milton. And then that has just been carried on, and it's been carried on. And then some of the development of what we believe about demons was carried on by not only from John, from John Milton's book into Screwtape Letters.

And I like Screwtape Letters, okay? But you know, in the Screwtape, anybody, has anybody read it? Does anybody remember two times in his book, what was re, what is referred back to? John Milton's book, Paradise Lost.

Twice. Once when they go into the library, and then the other time is when the two demons are talking, saying, hey, let them think about, let them, with Screwtape and Wormwood, let them think about John Milton's book.

They're thinking about that. They're not thinking about the Bible, okay? So, meanwhile, back to our regular schedule programming. So, this dragon, certainly representative of Satan, could have used the Seleucid's empire, the governmental structure, to keep the baby from being born, the one that would rule and reign, and rule the nations with a rod of iron, it says.

And the reason why he was doing that is so, when the woman, in verse, into verse four, so that when she gave birth, he might devour her. Look, at, when Jesus was born, there was no gynecologist obstetrician there waiting.

There was no catcher waiting. That's what it's saying here. There was no midwife there in this passage.

Who was there? Satan.

Satan was there, and he was waiting to devour the child. And we know that what took place, as we mentioned it last week,.

Herod.

What did Herod do? He didn't want to go worship the baby. He wanted to kill the baby. Why did he want to kill the baby? Because it was going to take his throne. Even though that throne was given to him by Rome, he did have enough authority given to him by Rome to kind of do whatever he wanted.

That's why when they sent Jesus to Herod, if Herod would have said put him to death, you know, what could have happened? They could have probably put him to death. That's why when Herod had James put to death, nothing was said.

Because Rome did give him some of the authority to put people to death. So what did he send? Sent his cohorts out to Bethlehem to kill them. And then verse 5,. And she gave birth to a son, a male child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron.

And her child was caught up to God and to his throne. Now, in verse 5, we have a 33-year life of Christ and boom, one birth. Birth, ascension.

That's it.

It doesn't say that Christ's messianic ministry for three and a half years wasn't necessary. That's not what this is saying. It's trying, once again, to give us a picture. This child was born, did what its purpose is to serve.

And then what did God do? He raised him up from the dead and he put him up. And how do we know he raised him up from the dead? Because it says he ascended. What does ascension, what does ascension necessitate?

Resurrection. So if he ascended to the throne of God, that baby was taken up. And it says in verse 6,. So that she would be nourished for 1 ,260 days. This woman, I've already said, is the true Israel of God.

The stars in her head were the people of God. And what is, what is this, what happens to this woman? She runs off into the wilderness. Who, as I said, was prepared. What was prepared for her? A place.

And what was God going to do to her and for her? He was going to protect her and he was going to provide for her for 1 ,260 days. Not how you understand, because y 'all could feel differently. How do I understand the 1 ,260 days?

The church age, gospel age, the time between the two times. There's ascension and there's coming back. And that is the time when the church age, the people, the bride of Christ, the true Israel is being nourished by God and being protected by God.

Remember, this is a parallel to the two witnesses. What were the three Ps of the two witnesses? Purpose, power, and protection. Same thing we're going to see here. We're going to see the power of the church.

The church is going to, the woman's going to have power. She's going to be nourished by God. She's going to do what God's told her to do, which is continue to be mentioned. She's got the protection of God.

She's going to be nourished for 1 ,260 days by God. But then it says, it's giving you this quick synopsis of what took place, his birth, his resurrection, his taking up to the throne of God. Why would it say he's taken up to the throne of God?

Because he is seated at the right hand of the Father. That's why. Okay, that's how it should be understood. He is right there at the right hand of the Father. And then once he is taken up, it tells you what's going to happen in this time frame from the time that this baby's taken up and enthroned for 1 ,260 days.

But then it says in verse 7, and there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels waged war with the dragon. Hey, that throws all misconceptions, if this is the passage that they're going to use, about somehow Satan, whatever name you want to use for him, was, he waged war in heaven trying to overthrow God.

That's not what this text says. Who starts the war here? Michael. Michael is the, he's the heavenly bouncer. He speaks to 86 of them. It's like, you got to go. Look what it says. It says, and Michael and his angels waged war with the dragon.

It doesn't say that the dragon waged war with God trying to take over heaven. It says, Michael. He's like, look, it's time for you to go. And how do we know it's time for you to go? Because what did Jesus say in John 12?

The week that Jesus, that was the week before he was crucified. He said, the powers of darkness and Satan, or the prince of the darkness is about to be cast down. About to be cast down. When Jesus, death, burial, resurrection, exaltation, and ascended to the throne room of God, the accuser of the brethren, and we're going to see that.

We may not get there today. The accuser of the brethren is cast out. He is cast out. And you go, well, wait a minute. I thought he was there back in Job. Good question. Was not Satan accusing? Well, God brought it up first.

Job before God. Okay, well, if there was this big war in heaven, and he's already being cast out before the foundations of the world, what in the world is Satan doing there?

Okay?

Because it ain't happened yet. It ain't happened yet.

Well, I'm assuming the earth is going to and fro, because that's where you're coming from.

You're assuming that God had thrown him to the earth. That ain't happened yet. We'll just let the text speak for itself. You don't think angels have the ability to go to and fro? Let's just be honest.

There was never any prohibition. I would even make the argument. I'm not trying to throw a little pipe bomb into your theology, okay? But we don't know when Satan's fall actually took place, do we?

Do we?

Let's just be honest. We don't. We don't. It could very well have been with the beguiling of Eve. Will this his desire to do? If he could do the same temptation he was given Eve, to follow him, just acquiesce to what I want you to do, which is eat the fruit.

And that's what she did. And the dullard standing there with him, he just, okay. You know, it happens, okay. Sure, honey.

Okay?

He did it too. All right? When he tempted Jesus, what was he trying to get Jesus to do? Same thing. Just come on, Jesus. I know you've been hungry for 40 days. Was anything wrong with Jesus eating? Is there anything wrong with being hungry?

Was there anything wrong with Eve eating fruit? There was something wrong with eating that fruit. There was something wrong with her acquiescing to him on that fruit. There had been nothing wrong with Jesus eating bread.

But Jesus could have. You know what, man? Let me show you.

Watch this.

Watch that big rock be the best bread in the world. He could have done that. But what would he have done? He would have then submitted to what the devil wanted him to do.

Okay?

Same thing in the garden. What did she do? She submitted to what? Then the earth was given over to Satan.

Okay?

How do we know that? Because it says it was given to him. He usurped it.

Okay?

So that's where the coming to and fro. No cast out of heaven. If he was cast out of heaven, he would have had no business at the throne room of God when the sons of God came in the morning ministering to God.

Or however you want to understand that passage.

Okay?

So here it is. Michael wages war. Did that answer your question? Or not sufficient? Well, I want to explain it.

It wasn't really something that was, you know, until we had that conversation, it wasn't really something to think about.

Okay.

But if it's not sufficient, let me know, and I will try to explain.

Okay.

And the dragon and his angels waged war. So here it is. Now, we've got these two, wait, I understand, colossus angels fighting. We know that Michael is the prince of the angels. And why do we know that?