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Cultish: Interview w/ Warren Jeffs' 65th Wife (Part 2)

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We have someone with us today. We have Dr. Andrew Morrow with us. How are you, my friend? I'm doing well.

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Thank you. I was very, very pleased to be on. Awesome. And so you are an attorney.

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You practice law out of New Mexico, and this really has caught your attention specifically.

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So with everything that... We'll jump into Epstein and Bowdoin. Just for yourself, what is it about this initially that caught your attention as someone who is practicing law right now?

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Well, I've always been interested in the idea that we don't always have the real story about pretty much anything.

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I believe that there are people in this world who have a real interest in lying to pretty much everyone, and I've always been interested in at least hearing out the theory around that, which leads me to the word conspiracy theory.

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Yes. Because as a lawyer, I know for a legal fact that conspiracy is not a dirty word.

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A conspiracy is simply an agreement between two or more people to commit a crime.

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That's it. People go to jail for conspiracy every day of the week, every week of the year.

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It's not a tinfoil hat thing, not necessarily. It doesn't mean that you think that there is a conspiracy.

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You think a group of people are up to no good, and they're up to no good together. That led me into the idea of there are probably conspiracies around us all the time, which manifested this past summer with the

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Jeffrey Epstein events. Because while they first came to light to the general public in this past summer, we've come to know that he also had prior run -ins with the law that had very weird circumstances around them.

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From that to this past summer, to everything we've determined over the past six months, there's just an awful lot of unanswered weirdness surrounding his life and surrounding his connections to other people who we also know are up to no good.

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Yes. So that would be an overview of what interested me in Jeffrey Epstein and what interested me in looking deeper into him.

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Yeah. I would say that for me, when this whole thing occurred this past summer, it's funny how certain things will unify people, whether it's a particular artist, a song, or a movie, or just some sort of cultural phenomena.

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I saw people from total opposite sides of the spectrum, both right and left, people on my

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Facebook feed, and they were all on the same page. All I knew about Epstein is he was just some guy who had a bunch of information on a lot of people, possibly even the

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Clintons. Then all of a sudden when he heard that he was suicided in jail, there was just something about that right away for me.

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I didn't even know too much about it. It just seemed fishy right away. I saw people from all different sides of the spectrum.

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I think the whole fascination with this culture, there's an aspect of being made in the image of God where people know it's wrong to lie, and they know that truth matters, and they want to be told the truth.

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They don't want to be lied to. That's a universal fact that's there. It's just part of having the law of God written on our hearts.

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But what I'm curious about, so everyone knows that Epstein didn't kill himself memes, and there's a lot of different conjecture going on.

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I think the best thing to do is, let's reverse engineer this. I want to go back, if you could,

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Doc, let's go to the origin stories of all this, because there's a lot of working pieces of this.

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Tell us about Epstein. What are the basic origins of where this all started?

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Sure. Jeffrey Epstein was born in 1953 to a middle -class Jewish family in Brooklyn, and about the only remarkable things of his childhood are that some of his relatives perished in the

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Holocaust, and he learned to play the piano at five. He also skipped a couple grades in high school, but other than that, he had a really unremarkable life for a man who goes on to become a billionaire.

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He was a teacher in 1974. He started being a teacher with no degree in anything, and he stopped being a teacher pretty quickly.

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He then got a job at Bear Stearns in 1976 as a junior assistant, and after four years, he made partner.

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This person with no financial training, no degree, no formal education of any kind becomes partner at Bear Stearns after four years, and then a single year later, he was asked to leave.

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There is no information on exactly why. He said he was guilty of a

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Reg D violation, which would be Regulation D, just some sort of a trading rule, but that's all we know.

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But he remained close to several of the partners of Bear Stearns until it collapsed in 2008.

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In 1981, he founded his own consulting firm called Intercontinental Assets Group.

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He described his firm's goal as recovering stolen money from clients, and he called himself a financial bounty hunter.

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He did this because his specialized skill set, in his own words, was finding things.

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He looked out for embezzled funds, stolen funds, lost investments due to fraud.

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These are the things that he says he went after. During this time, he claimed that he was an intelligence agent, but this was then retracted later.

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One of his clients was a man named Adnan Khashoggi, who was the middleman in the

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Iran -Contra affair, which is when the CIA was funneling arms drugs and money between narcos in Central America and Iran.

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This is a pretty famous intelligence faux pas, and he was in the center of it.

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After that, he had a fairly long career as just a financial person, which are only useful in establishing that his fortune grew and his connections grew right up with it.

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This brings us to 2005, when he was arrested and convicted for assaulting a 14 -year -old girl, and there's really no other way to put this.

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He got a slap on the wrist. He was under house arrest for a short amount of time, and he barely even had to serve any of that.

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When the prosecutor in charge of this case was asked why he was given such a slap on the wrist for assaulting a 14 -year -old girl, the prosecutor, a man named

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Alexander Acosta, who is currently a fairly high -ranking official in the

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Trump administration, said, and I quote, I was told Epstein belonged to intelligence and to leave it alone, which concluded the 2005 to 2007 affair.

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He again just goes back to his normal -for -him life, and then in this past summer, he is again picked up for trafficking.

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He is accused of trafficking girls out of his Caribbean island, and he is then, you know, booked.

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He's jailed, and we all know what happened from there, or rather we don't, but we have ideas on what happened from there.

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After his death, a whole host of things have come to light.

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I can continue to speak about them if you wish, or if you would like to take it back over, and yeah.

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Well, during his arrest, his most recent arrest, the main accusations, they came from Paris, right?

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I believe that they came from a young woman who did live in Europe, who alleged a contact between him and numerous members of European royal families as well, including

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Prince Andrew of the UK, but I would prefer if you were able to take over a little more since I'm not certain.

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Okay, yeah, so I think what's also interesting with this whole thing is that one of the things you brought up to me as well, too, and with Epstein, is the issues with this.

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Again, this is a document. Because of all this, there's been a lot of Freedom of Information Act, where people have been wanting to get a whole lot more information about this.

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There's a whole document that was released recently by the FBI, and that's a lot of what we're talking about, and it has to do with a group called the

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Finders, and that's where we're starting to put a couple of these different things together.

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So can you tell us about the Finders and who they are, where they came from, and let's talk about how that's connected to Epstein.

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Sure. So in 1987, a small group of people in Tallahassee, Florida, were apprehended in a park.

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There were two well -dressed men, and I believe it was five children, none older than age six.

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The two men were observed just standing over and nearby to these group of children who were playing.

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The children were observed to be incredibly dirty, unkempt. They were seen defecating and urinating freely just in the park, and so a concerned citizen contacted the police who apprehended the men and the children.

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The men said absolutely nothing about their situation.

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They simply handed over a card with a pre -prepared statement saying that they knew their constitutional rights, and they were exercising their right to silence, and the children, however, stated that they were on their way to Mexico to go to, quote, smart school, and when the children were further questioned, they communicated that they came from Washington, D .C.

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The Tallahassee Police Department contacted the FBI, who contacted the

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Metropolitan Police Department of D .C., which I will refer to here on as the MPD, and they determined that the address that the children directed the officers to, that they claimed to be their home, was the address of a warehouse that was owned by a known cult called the

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Finders. The FBI and MPD raided this warehouse where they discovered a host of documents, computer software, pictures that showed everything from child pornography to animal sacrifice that children took part in to passports and travel documents that stated some persons unknown were traveling around the world, and that these were all connected under the auspices of the

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CIA. The MPD and FBI confiscated all of this information and then booked it for analysis by the

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FBI, and they, at that point, handed the investigation off to the

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FBI. Clearly, we know from this Freedom of Information case file that none of this information that was discovered in this warehouse ever made it into FBI custody.

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There is a memo, I believe it is on page, let me get the citation here, pages 34 through 36 of the case file, where an evidence review is described by an

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FBI analyst, and he says that all of the field reports say a host of information and evidence is supposed to be reviewed, and that none of it was actually available in FBI physical custody.

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He doesn't go far enough to just say this file was stolen, but he says it was confiscated in the field, we don't have it here, where is it?

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And that concludes the evidence recovered from the

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Finder's warehouse. The FBI, through the case file, it continues on in their own investigation.

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We see a memo from FBI and Department of Justice senior officials who are incredibly cagey and untrusting of anybody else touching the

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Finder's investigation. They believe that the FBI has been infiltrated.

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We see a memorandum from an unrelated congressman in 1993 that the

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FBI, excuse me, believed was important to this investigation.

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In 1993, a congressman, Tom Lewis, sent a memorandum around to all of his colleagues that stated in the past three years, he noticed that the budget allocated to law enforcement agencies that focused on child exploitation had been reduced to a quarter of its prior levels.

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Yeah. Doc, can I ask you a question real quickly? Pardon? Oh, can I ask you a question real quickly about that, about all this?

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So when it comes to the Finders, I'm looking at one of the documents here by the government of the

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District of Columbia Metropolitan Police Department, and they describe, and during the Finder's investigation, in the summary it just says, it is the writer's belief that the

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Finder's organization is and has been utilized by the CIA as a disinformation service spreading non -essential, non -critical information to various organizations throughout the

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United States and overseas. And there's a lot more that goes into that document. Maybe we can share this on our social media when we release these episodes.

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I guess my question would be is that the things that you're describing that was found in that warehouse, absolutely horrific and horrifying, and we all could agree on that.

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I always see when we're looking at the world of cults, usually the behavior, whether it's psychological manipulation, any sort of physical abuse, sexual abuse, whatever's going on, it always stems from the core orthodox beliefs or the theology of that cult.

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Are you aware of what was the overall orthodoxy of the Finders? What did they believe? And also, when it comes to the

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CIA utilizing them, can you expand too on the relationship between the

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CIA or how they had undue influence on this cult? Sure.

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When pushed, the Finders as a group stated that they were simply a communal living experiment, a product of the 60s and the hippies.

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They claimed that they were not in fact a religious cult, that they were simply a free association of people who wished to raise their children in an environment completely divorced from societal pressure.

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This is why they said that the children were dirty and unkempt. It's because they did not wish to wash.

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They defecated and urinated freely because it's simply a social pressure that causes us to use facilities for that.

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So the Finders stated themselves that they were simply a communal living experiment.

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However, they never explained why they were so intimately connected with CIA officials, one of whom was named

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Isabel Petty. We know from the FBI documents that Isabel Petty was a

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CIA agent. The FBI alleges that Isabel Petty traveled the globe during the height of the

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Cold War and engaged in unknown activities throughout

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Soviet Bloc countries as well as neutral countries. The FBI states that this could not have been possible unless she was over there at the behest of the

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State Department and the CIA, that it simply wouldn't have been physically possible for a private

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U .S. citizen to travel in the way and the amount that she traveled.

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And Isabel Petty is important to the Finders itself because she was not simply a member.

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She owned properties that the Finders used. It's not like this was just her weird church and she had her normal nine -to -five -day job as a

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CIA agent, and she did this on the weekends. She owned properties that the Finders used.

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Her family members were part of the Finders. I believe that you mentioned the name of her mother or daughter.

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What was that again? Marion Petty? Correct. We are not sure of the familial relationship between them because, again, the

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Finders as a group lasted over 30 years, but there is a generational interest between the

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Pettys, the Finders, and the CIA. We can be pretty sure that the

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Finders were not simply a communal living experiment. They engaged in fraud and extortion of members and non -members.

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They are known to have infiltrated the government and technological corporations on the eastern seaboard.

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They had CIA agents and generational membership in both organizations and traveled to Soviet Black countries during the height of the

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Cold War. And furthermore, their name itself betrays their nefarious purpose.

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A Finder finds things. They are extrospective, not introspective.

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And we can tell from the Tallahassee incident that the

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Finders were moving children from Washington, D .C. to Florida and to Mexico, and the movers did not act like this was a one -off field trip, which is what they called it.

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They have these prepared statement cards that said, we're not talking to the police.

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And what teacher carries that kind of thing around? Yeah. So when we're looking at the evidence that we're using to make these claims, we're talking about these

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FBI -released files, which we can link when we release these episodes. So how exactly did we get these files?

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It says they're redacted. What does that mean? So if anyone's looking at it, can you explain the process to how we got these files and how they could even be considered as evidence that we could use in a court of law by any means?

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So this FBI case file was generated in 1987 to 1993 during the investigation period.

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It was then put in the FBI vault. The documents were redacted at that time, and redaction is simply when a clerk goes over a document and wipes out or blocks out or otherwise erases information from the document that is at that time still considered to be sensitive enough that a passerby should not see it.

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Okay. The case file came to light again this past year when a

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Freedom of Information Act request was made to the FBI to release the information.

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Now, we can kind of tell that this was directional. Somebody remembered this event from 1987 because it received some minor press coverage at the time, they remembered it enough to keep in mind when the documents would be available or released by the government because every vaulted document has a timer on it that it can be released after a certain amount of time.

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And so whoever made the Freedom of Information Act request, remembered this event, took down the time that it would be available, and made the request this past year, these documents were then released.

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The redactions did not happen recently. They happened at the time the documents were vaulted.

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So we can't really get a hold of much of the unredacted documents.

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So I guess another question I'd have then is that so the Finders, they are an experiment in communal living, a communal living experiment, which a lot of cultures conveniently end up in communes, of course, when you look at Jonestown, you look at Marshall Applegate, I mean,

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David Koresh and all those. But there's always, it usually centers around either a leader or also they usually have some sort of authority, a point of authority, whether it's a charismatic leader or they have their specific

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Bible. So Scientology, you have L. Ron Hubbard, you have Dianetics, which is the foundation of what they believe, and there's a bunch of stuff on top of that.

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Or you have like the Book of Mormon, or you have the Jehovah's Witnesses, their interpretation of the

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Bible with the Watchtower translation. So with the Finders, was there a particular leader?

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I mean, you had the connection to the CIA, the CIA agent, but was there a particular leader or did they have a specific

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Bible with rules that they followed? Well, the FBI alleges in pages 285 to 318 of the case file that the

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Finders were founded by two women named Diane Sherwood and Barbara Sylvester. That unfortunately is all we know at this time.

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We know that the Pettys were deeply involved, but they are not named as the Founders.

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We do not have a Bible of the Finders from them except for their statements about what they were about, you know, what their goals were, and we can, you know, if we believe that the evidence recovered from the warehouse in D .C.

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is accurate at all, then we know that the religious beliefs of the

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Finders were, at the very least, on the darker side of things. We see that documentation existed of at least goats being ritually sacrificed and dissected, not just by the adults, but by the children involved in the organization as well, and the

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NPD and FBI who raided the warehouse state that there is photographic evidence of the children taking part in this animal abuse.

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So, while we don't have a convenient

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Book of Finders sort of document, we can infer that any religious beliefs that they had required animal sacrifice and sexual exploitation, both of the adults and the children involved in the group, based on the ritualistic sexual practices that were also documented in the evidence recovered from the

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FBI warehouse. Yeah, and you'll see that a lot, too. I mean, it's almost the one thing you almost expected in any sort of cult is always the sexual abuse and exploitation of their members.

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You almost expect it. I mean, again, you had it with David Koresh when he was marrying all of his members and no one else was allowed to get married except for him.

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You have that. I mean, you have the issue with Warren Jeffs. I mean, you could just go on and on and on. So, with this cult and what it's doing, and even with their orthodox beliefs or Bible being somewhat vague and nuanced as to what it was and seeing the basic beliefs, what would be the motive of the

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CDA to work with a cult like this? Let's connect that back to Epstein, because a lot of this then has to do with child trafficking, because that's where it all began, which led to the warehouse.

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How do those connect together? Okay. So, the connection is, I mean, the

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NPD lays out that they believe the finders were used for disinformation, which is when you lie to a populace to get them to believe false things in order to accomplish goals, you know, while the left hand does magic tricks, the right hand does other things.

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That's the goal of a disinformation campaign. We would believe that the finders were used by the

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CIA in a blackmail capacity in the intelligence realm.

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This is going out of the possible religious element to their child trafficking and into pure cold practicality.

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It's alleged that Epstein did the same thing further on, and we'll get to that then, but the finders are thought to have abducted children or procured children in a variety of ways, which again is documented in the evidence recovered from the

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DC warehouse, but they are believed to have procured children that would then be provided to a person for the gratification of that person, and then after that person was done, they would be informed of what they had done and that the

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CIA knew, and that they are now an asset of the CIA, whether they like it or not.

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This is not an uncommon thing. It's called a honeypot.

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It's usually done by an agent themselves, you know, a covert agent seduces someone of an enemy agency or country or what have you, and then once the enemy is compromised, they are informed that they are, you know, they're there then blackmailed, so the idea behind the finders coldly practical procuring of children is blackmail of anybody that was then provided a child for molestation.

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We would then attach this to Jeffrey Epstein because the finders claimed in 1993 to disband.

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The FBI and MPD claimed that in 1993 the finders were done.

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They were finished, but they also claimed that they don't believe the finders when they say we're done.

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They just believe that the finders dispersed as an organization, as an organized organization, but that all of their activities were still ongoing.

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This brings us to Jeffrey Epstein, a man who we know for a fact.

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He was an international businessman who trafficked in children. He trafficked in children across the globe, into and out of his

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Caribbean island, and this is the point where a person could say, wait, what, really, you're saying that happened, and because it just seems incredulous.

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Yeah, and just, I mean, that's, I'm sorry, go ahead. Jeffrey Epstein called his own plane, his jet, the

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Lolita Express. That's pretty brazen. His island was known by the locals who lived on surrounding islands as either

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Lolita Island or Pedophile Island. It was just, and these aren't exactly even rumors.

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We have the documentation of the people who lived around there that they knew, yeah, weird stuff happens on that island.

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So, it constrained credulity to believe that somebody was this brazen and this, just this open about his preferences.

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He called his plane Lolita Express, once again. So, the idea is that when the

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Finders as an organization dispersed, they sought to continue their activities, but in a new way for a new millennium, where an organization failed a single individual who was a bounty hunter, so to speak, somebody who knew how to get things done and knew how to find people could succeed.

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And this is where we draw a, in my opinion, a reasonable connection to Jeffrey Epstein because of his intelligence connections.

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As we may recall, in 2007, Alexander Acosta was told

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Epstein belonged to intelligence. At this point,

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I remind the audience that in America, there is really only one intelligence agency.

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It's the CIA, the FBI, the Department of Homeland Security, NSA. These are more law enforcement organizations.

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They are not intelligence organizations. When somebody says intelligence, they mean the

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CIA. So, this then brings us to Epstein's connections to intelligence agencies again.

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We may recall that in the 80s, he claimed to be an intelligence agent, but he walked this back.

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One of the more interesting connections to intelligence is his longtime girlfriend.

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Epstein's longtime girlfriend was a woman who is, well, not his girlfriend anymore, but she is still alive.

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Her name is Ghislaine Maxwell. She is a British aristocrat.

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Her father was a man named Robert Maxwell, who is probably one of the most infamous spies in history, and is potentially a founder of the

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Mossad, which is the intelligence organization of Israel. Robert Maxwell was a man who was a newspaper baron in the

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UK, and MI6 was convinced that Maxwell was a double, if not triple agent.

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Maxwell's funeral occurred, I'm not sure exactly off the top of my head, but when

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Robert Maxwell's funeral occurred, this generally unassuming British businessman's funeral was attended by Israeli prime ministers, and Israeli prime minister

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Yitzhak Shamir said, I quote, he has done more for Israel than can be said today, but then he never elaborated on what this is.

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So, Epstein's girlfriend is the daughter of one of the most infamous spies in history, and Epstein is stated by a

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US district attorney to have belonged to intelligence. Yeah, so how would

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Epstein, you know, how did he get mixed up in all of this? Like, if I'm thinking back at the beginning of the episode, you know, he just kind of went to, you know, a normal kind of guy growing up.

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Like, how all of a sudden did he get involved in this type of, you know, conspiracy, in a sense?

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Like, how did that happen? We're not sure exactly. All we know is that this partner at Bear Stearns for a single year leaves the company, starts his own international financial group, and starts saying to people that he is an intelligence agent, and suddenly he's a billionaire who goes around the globe, and suddenly he's involved in the

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Iran -Contra affair. We don't have a definite mechanism for when he was recruited.

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All we see is that in 1981, he was a fired partner from a financial institution, and in the next year, he's got his own financial firm, and he describes himself as a financial bounty hunter.

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And then in the 1980s, he's involved in the Iran -Contra affair.

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I don't know what the mechanism of recruitment is.

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We can just see that from year to the next year, he's a nobody, and then suddenly he's very likely a spy.

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And yes, it's unfortunate that we don't have the mechanism, but we have the result.

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Yeah. And this is just one of those things too, Doc, where people are hearing this, and you're talking about this part of me now,

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Jeffrey Epstein, we're reverse engineering it to this cult called the Finders, which is extraordinarily mysterious, which is then connected to the

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CIA. And now Epstein is connected to all these different, really big names that it's not surprising.

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And that's another thing too, is that people know everyone's got their secrets too, right?

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And so understanding what was going on at Pedophile Island and all the different people that were on that list, right?

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And so there's always, people know that everyone's got their stuff and their junk they got to hide.

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And in the same way, everyone's got their fig leaves they want to be able to sew on to hide what they've done wrong, right?

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And yeah, but it's just, how can I even describe this?

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That there's just this reality that this is sometimes things like this are out in the open.

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And it's so easy to have a disbelief that this is actually possible to take place.

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But the reality is, is that we can look at these different things. You can look at the conspiracies do happen.

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The question is, how do we come about formulating what is going on?

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As an attorney, this is what you're doing here is that these aren't just like vague different connections. This is independent lines of documents,

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FBI files, a testimony and witness explaining how these things all come together.

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But there is an aspect to what I was trying to get to is that when people hear this, we even with all the evidence, people immediately think, oh, this is just crazy.

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This is complete paranoid tinfoil hat. Like, how do you explain to someone like right now, if someone's listening with their arms crossed saying that I can't believe this, right?

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How would you explain that this is a reality from your perspective as someone who practices law?

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Sure. There are two things that I'm going to talk about now. One is simply the difference between direct evidence and circumstantial evidence, and that the probative value, which means how convincing they are, there is no real difference between them.

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Direct evidence is when person A sees person B shoot person

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C with a gun. He directly sees it with his eyes and he can testify to the same.

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Circumstantial evidence is person A sees person B and person C walk into a shed.

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He hears a gunshot. Person B comes out and walks away. Person A walks into the shed and sees person

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C lying on the ground in a pool of blood with a gun next to them. You can make the conclusion that person

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B shot person C by the circumstantial evidence presented.

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It's not direct. It is certainly possible that person C killed themselves.

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You know, we can imagine a situation, but that would be a pretty strong circumstantial case to convict person

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B of murder, and I'm not sure that many people would conclude something differently when presented with that.

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So we have a circumstantial case here with all of the different circumstances that link

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Jeffrey Epstein to the finders organizations through the CIA that they were both involved in and that they both seem to have performed the same function of, because the names of the people that we know went on the

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Lolita Express and to the Lolita Island are important names. We know from the manifests that Donald Trump, Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Prince Andrew of the

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UK, a variety of other people, but those are some of the big ones, went on the Lolita Express at one point or another.

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They are on the manifest. That's some circumstantial evidence. The next point is to the skeptic who says, oh, this could never happen.

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The government could never be compromised by something like this. I would like to remind the audience or inform the audience if they don't know that in the 1970s,

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Scientology took part in what is considered to be the largest breach of a

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U .S. government organization ever. It was called Operation Snow White.

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You can look this up yourself because a lot of people went to jail for it, including

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Hubbard's wife at the time, Hubbard's wife at the time. Scientology placed 5 ,000 of their own agents throughout the

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U .S. government, primarily in the IRS, for the sole purpose of stealing documents and getting the

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Church of Scientology tax exempt religious institution status.

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That was the point of Operation Snow White. There were other points such as blackmail of people who were trying to expose the

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Church's nefarious deeds, but this is a known thing, and it is a thing that people were convicted for.

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An outside organization, a nefarious religious institution, placed 5 ,000 of their own agents throughout the

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U .S. government and completely compromised the IRS in favor of the nefarious religious institution.

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I would ask the skeptic, why is it skeptical to them to believe that a dedicated intelligence agency could not then compromise the

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U .S. government on its own with also being a nefarious religious institution?

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That is the circumstantial evidence that also provides a precedent for the finders of Epstein being intelligence agents involved in a nefarious religious aim and compromising the

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U .S. government in order to accomplish their goals. Wow. This has been really, really fascinating.

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Both Andrew and I are just flies on the wall here, and we really appreciate you coming on here, Doc. What we're going to do is we are going to just wrap up.

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This is kind of part one, and we're going to go into some more details regarding this whole case, regarding all the cultist scenarios, because now you're hearing

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Scientology. You're talking about this mysterious cult called the Finders. A lot of different, interesting, integral pieces to this whole story.

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Andrew, what did you think about all that? That was very good. I want to hear more about these goals, too, because in the next episode,

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I want to go into a little bit of Jeffrey Epstein and his New Mexico ranch, talking about the breeding of almost like a superhuman race, essentially, and kind of tying that back into the

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Finders, maybe with this child smuggling over to Mexico to this super smart child school. Yes. We also have to, again, reemphasize the aspect of there's sexual abuse, and it's always part of the worship aspects of these cults and of these false religions.

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For example, just how you had in Corinth back in the day, you had a whole temple that was dedicated, full of prostitutes, that was dedicated for all that.

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But then in the same token, you have this temple that was on Pedophile Island.

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That was part that Epstein would fly his clients out to, so we can talk about that as well. So all that being said, thank you guys for listening into part one.

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