News Roundup: Pope, Paula White, & Panicans PLUS Dugan on Calvinism and Esther about Genocide?

On the Conversations That Matter podcast. I'm your host, John Harris. We are here crafting a bold vision for America, and it's a Christian one. And I wanna talk to you about a number of issues on today's news roundup.

I will catch you up to speed on the events from the last week that Christians should be concerned with in the United States. There's a lot to say and not a lot of time to do it, so let's dig in. The first thing I wanna talk about is something that you will probably not hear hardly anywhere else, except maybe the Steve Day Show.

And that is what is happening currently to our Christian brothers and sisters in Nigeria. There's a lot of focus in the Middle East. We are gonna talk about the Middle East, but we need to focus on Nigeria as well, because this is something that is devastating.

And the amount of Christians who have died over the past five years is greater than the amount of Christians who have died in wars involving Israel. These are mostly Christians who are of the evangelical and Catholic varieties, many of them more charismatic leaning, but there is a spectrum.

And they're being attacked by Muslim terrorists, specifically Boko Haram and related groups. And this has gone, unfortunately, unnoticed for far too long and so we at the Conversations That Matter podcast have tried to bring some attention to this.

And I wanna let you know about Truth Nigeria. I've talked about this before on the podcast, but if you wanna keep updated on the situation over there, that is the best website for you to do it because it's put together by people who care about what's going on, first of all.

But secondly, the eyes on the ground are actual Nigerian Christians, and they're involved in the reporting and writing the articles and helping you understand what's going on from a firsthand perspective.

And so we're gonna start there on the podcast today. This is from truthnigeria, I think I said .org, it's .com. Maybe .org will get you there too, I don't know, but it's .com, truthnigeria .com. U .S. orders partial evacuation in Nigeria while downplaying violence in official language.

Critics say farmer-herder framing obscures jihadist and militant attacks driving terrorism. The United States has authorized non-essential embassy staff to leave Nigeria, did you know that by the way?

Over rising threats highlighting security concerns, even as officials use language, critics say obscure responsibility. On April 8th, from the United States Department of State, there was a note urging non-emergency personnel and family members to deport Abuja, citing what it described as a deteriorating security situation.

The advisory also expanded its do not travel as to include the plateau state alongside several regions long affected by Fulani militant attacks. Security analysts say such evacuation measures are rare and typically reflect serious concerns.

So there's a serious issue going on in Nigeria right now. Unfortunately, the advisory describes the violence as clashes between farmers and herders. So that means they're framing in economic terms. Judd Saul said it's obvious to the rest of the world that the conflict is being caused by genocidal Islamic terrorists though.

So advocacy groups are pushing back, including Truth Nigeria, which is connected through Judd Saul to equipping the persecuted. The advisory comes amid a rise in violence across multiple regions of Nigeria.

Nigeria ranked fourth globally in terrorism impact with deaths rising by 46 in 2025, according to the Institute of Economics and Peace. Amnesty International reported that at least 323 people were killed across several states within a three-week period in February.

Analysts say these figures contrast with official claims that security conditions are improving. So there is a narrative coming from the government in Nigeria that things are all fine here when the reality on the ground is things are not fine.

And unfortunately, other countries, including our own, seem to be buying into some of this. And you have to understand a lot of what happens in the government obviously is relying on people to spread the word, do their job, categorize things correctly, maintain diplomatic ties with these countries.

And I don't pretend to know everything involved in this particular case on that matter, which is why we're gonna have Judd Saul next week on the podcast to discuss this further. He actually texted me, I think it was a few days ago, and said there were some Easter killings and he'd like to talk about it.

And I said, that is absolutely fine. We'd love to have you on to talk about this more. And one of the things that we try to do is support Equipping the Persecuted, whether that is a monthly gift that you can give them.

I know I'm starting off the podcast with a pitch here, but the reason I'm doing that is because it's in the news. This is really just stuff we would be talking about anyway. But we in this audience have the extra, I think, benefit of helping our brothers and sisters over there.

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And that Kala Garcia says, I'm a coffee lover. Well, it is good coffee, I'm not gonna lie. Even I think it's good coffee and I'm not a coffee guy. So check it out. The article that we were just reading from truthnigeria .com goes on and it talks about a $9 million contract with a Washington lobbying firm that the Nigerian government is or has engaged in.

And according to Truth Nigeria, this contract with the DCI group is intended to counter claims of targeted killings of Christians. So we'll ask Judd about that next week. Why is it that the Nigerian government does not want people to know about what's going on towards Christians in that particular area?

And we will find out from him why that is. But they're attributing it, or at least possibly connecting this lobbying activity with the reason it was categorized in economic terms and not religious terms.

So that's from truthnigeria .com. Okay, we are gonna talk about the Middle East and the Iran War. We are gonna talk about Easter, Paula White. I have three clips from Tucker Carlson. I'm not sure really where to begin.

And they're all narrowed down to specifically things said on his show or things he said on his show about the Bible and Christianity. And so I wasn't even looking for stuff. It's just like, I'm getting tired of it, to be honest with you.

You can log in multiple times a day and there'll be something new trending with Tucker that's totally erroneous. And man, his Bible knowledge leaves a lot to be desired. Unfortunately, some of the stuff he said, one thing in particular was very egregious.

And I think we need to talk about it because there's a lot of Christians who think of Tucker as a Christian. He certainly reminds everyone he's a Christian very often. And he is now trying to influence people, not just on political matters, but also on morality, which he roots in a Christianity of sorts.

But when you hear his explanations for things and how he grounds his morality, it doesn't always make sense and it's not biblical. And we do need to be aware of that because if people are getting their information on biblical matters, because they trust Tucker, then they're not getting good information and it could do damage.

So I don't know that we'll do all three clips. I don't know if I have the patience to endure it all, but we will at least do one of them on the Book of Esther. So I think I put that in the title, so we have to do that.

Veritax is here, says, I actually made it live, John. Greetings from Southwest Virginia. Well, greetings, Veritax. You never know with this podcast when you're gonna make it, when I do it live, because I do it at different times.

So today it worked out for me to do it tonight and this is when we're doing it. So welcome, and I'm glad you're here. Let's talk about Big Eva. Can we start with Big Eva before we get to Tucker and all the other things that we're gonna talk about, which are very many today, including Alexander Dugan and saying Calvinism is responsible for the decline of the West.

I kid you not, we will go there. We will talk about Calvinism. So let's talk about Big Eva a little bit. We're gonna start here with Ian Perry. Ian Perry has been messaging me about this for a while. You'll notice that the post that I've retweeted, I thought I liked this post here.

I'm gonna like it. This is from, I think I retweeted this a while ago. This is from November, 2025, but recently there were some developments with this whole story and I didn't cover it before, but I figured I'd cover it now.

So Ian Perry has written a rebuttal to this particular professor, which I'm not going to read, but actually I don't think we covered it. Now I'm second guessing myself. I'm pretty sure we didn't cover this, but the issue is this, and let me just sort of get down to it.

If you go to Baylor University, perhaps unsurprisingly, there is a class that I am informed by Ian is a required class that you will take with a professor, or I'm not sure if this professor teaches all the classes or just one of the classes.

I'm assuming probably it's an intro class of some kind, but she uses womanist theology. And the professor is Erica S. Dunbar. And here's a sample of, this is a chapter from a book that she wrote, I guess, or maybe it's a book that she has contributed to.

And it's the Routledge or Rutledge Companion to Eve and chapter 22, re-imagining Eve. So I think it's probably a compilation. An eco-womanist reading of the mother of humanity as wise and eco-conscious.

So that's interesting. Let me just read for you a little bit of this. Eve is widely recognized in Jewish and Christian traditions as the first woman created and the mother of humanity. Yet throughout history, many interpreters have negatively characterized and stereotyped Eve as evil, impulsive, prideful, selfish, independent, ambitious, inferior, a seducer, a tempter, the first sinner, and the individual responsible for the fall of humanity, among other things.

Well, sounds like she's a sinner, right? Isn't that the first sin was Adam and Eve and the, okay. Well, yeah, sounds about right. As Katie Cannon notes, this figure has traditionally been portrayed as a sin bringing Eve.

In this chapter, yes, yes, exactly right. In this chapter, I outline and dispel some of these misconceptions about Eve as well as the serpent. Oh, the serpent. So not only, Satan's also just misunderstood.

Maybe the serpent's misunderstood. Maybe it's not Satan. Sorry, I'm laughing. But within the biblical text, traditions of interpretation. Additionally, I reimagine and reframe Eve's actions through a womanist lens by acknowledging her physical, social, and economic roles.

And her contributions to the establishment and preservation of the earliest communities. I will give you this. Without Eve, I wouldn't be here. She is my grandmother. She's your grandmother too. And if you're a Christian, Father Abraham's our father.

So we could start singing about it, I guess. Womanist biblical hermeneutics is a form of critical reading and engagement with texts, context, cultures, communities, individuals, and interpretations that prioritizes the communal and lived experiences, history, and artifacts of black women, thereby bringing black women's physical, social, religious, psychological, and cultural experiences and consciousnesses into the discourse.

Okay, we're done.

We're done. I don't know.

Do we have to read anymore? For this audience, probably not. Now, if you're just tuning in to the Conversations That Matter podcast and you've never listened before and you're just like coming from a very liberal Christian tradition, you're thinking, oh, that sounds about right, then maybe you're a little surprised that I'm laughing at it.

But otherwise, you're probably not because I'm laughing at it because it's on its face just ridiculous. Let me summarize what you just heard. I don't like the story of Adam and Eve. Portrays Eve is evil and she's a woman.

And so I'm going to totally turn the story on its head so that Eve is now good. And not just Eve, but the serpent who's also misunderstood. That's every fairy tale, every, and I'm not saying the Bible's a fairy tale, I believe this actually happened, but every cultural artifact, legend, story that has contributed to our civilization is a moral play that has just been misunderstood for so long and it's not until now that we can finally look back and see the villains, maybe they were the heroes and the heroes, maybe they were the villains.

Maybe good is evil, evil's good, who knows? And what in the end does this do? It helps you justify your sin. That's all it does, in my opinion. That's what's going on here. This is classic human nature, sin suppressing stuff.

Eve is the mother of all creation. Eve also was the one who was deceived by the serpent and persuaded Adam who was not behaving as he should have and taking responsibility to eat of the forbidden fruit.

And when they both ate, that was the moment that original sin entered the world. And we've been dealing with that ever since. And that's why we need Jesus Christ, the second Adam, who came and lived the perfect life that our great, great, great, great grandparents could not live, fulfilled the law, and then imputed to us his righteousness and his efficacious death on the cross, which paid the penalty for the wrath of God upon us for breaking his law.

We have inherited from Adam a sin nature, but Eve's participation in this is also very important to the biblical story. And it is even cited as part of the reason for headship and not that there wasn't headship pre-fall, but there's a dynamic that exists that the Bible talks about later on in the New Testament that Eve, there was a weakness about her and not an imperfection in the sense that God did something wrong, because he didn't, he doesn't make anything wrong.

But, and this is all, by the way, in Christian theology, this is also something that gets you directly into the Calvinism debate, which we'll talk about a little bit later with the Dugan comments. Whether or not this was something planned by God or there was free will involved or both, was it compatible?

What exactly happened? How did creation fall? Well, it was always in God's plan. God always knew that this would happen. And in his decree planned for it to happen so that he would glorify himself. Don't ask me to explain all the inner workings of that, because I don't know.

I only know what's been revealed to us in scripture, but Eve did play a part in this. And she's also responsible and culpable for the part she played. That's the truth of scripture that's revealed to us.

And they were both naked and they hid and they were punished and banished from the garden. So there you go. A little bit of Genesis for you at the beginning of the podcast. But if you're a seminary student coming into Baylor and you have to take a class with this particular religion professor, I'm actually curious, what class is this?

I'm gonna have to go look at the message. I don't think Ian specified, Ian Perry, by the way, Ian Burke Perry on X, if you wanna follow him, I would just give you a plug there. I don't know that he specified, but there's apparently a class that presumably aspiring pastors are taking with this kind of professor.

If you get out of Baylor alive, right? You get out of there and you still have your faith and you're still wanting to pastor, then you are truly a strong person who has done a lot of your own research.

And you've had to stand up to some truly terrible stuff about the Bible, lies, deception. I wouldn't recommend going to Baylor. But if you have to go to Baylor, if Baylor's that's where you end up going for whatever reason, I don't even know what kinds of good professors are there.

I'm assuming there might be a few. Be careful, obviously, this is what's out there. And this is why in not just academic and church-related circles, but also in political and other professional circles, you have people that have good ideas that wanna do the right thing and they end up going through this process.

And by the end of the process, they've been assaulted so much that they don't even sometimes have a faith left. It's truly a tragedy. But if someone goes through that and they're truly Orthodox, you know that they really, they got that whole refute those who contradict thing down for the pastoral requirements.

More big even news. Let's talk about, oh, we got all kinds of stuff going on in the comments here. So I'm gonna do the big even stuff. We'll come back to the comments. We'll take this bit by bit. I was just gonna let you know, someone sent this to me, I guess the Tar Heel Traveler, W-R-A-L in North Carolina is highlighting J .D. Greer.

And this was on April 2nd, they did a segment. And the only thing I was gonna point out is, if you look at the comments underneath, there's a lot of comments, but there's a lot of stuff about the documentary that you helped produce, really.

I mean, I was the producer on it. And that is the documentary about Nightdale, the church, First Baptist, or I'm sorry, Faith Baptist Nightdale that had an attempted takeover. J .D. Greer certainly played a part in this.

And you have comments here just saying, look, you gotta go watch this. What do you think about that? And I consider that a good thing, that this is something that they haven't responded in any meaningful way to the information in that documentary and it needs to be out there and keep being out there until it's answered.

And so I just wanna encourage you. I think the truth's still getting out there. There's still people that have done damage that aren't doing good work, or at least are threats to the church. And we have exposed them and they're continuing to be exposed.

Speaking of exposing people, Russell Moore. I guess we're getting in. Do we really wanna get into this? Yeah, we'll get into it. We'll get into it. We'll do the, we'll separate this from the other Iran stuff.

So Russell Moore, and Russell Moore wasn't the only one. I saw like tons of people were really upset about this particular comment from Donald Trump. And it was Groyper types, like edgy Nick Fuentes fans were saying the same thing Russell Moore was saying, or similar.

You had people who were neocons. Bill Crystal was out there saying the same thing, Russell Moore. And I was just like, what is going on? And then, well, let me tell you what was said. And then I'll tell you what the reaction was, which is kind of interesting.

So Donald Trump said a whole civilization will die tonight. This was on the 7th. So this was two days ago. Never to be brought back again. Now, if the tweets stop there, Trump, what are you doing? Take the phone away from Trump.

I don't want that to happen.

Yeah, that's good.

But it probably will. Oh, that's bad. However, now that we have complete and total regime change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionary, wonderful, revolutionary, revolutionarily, I guess that's the word he's using, wonderful can happen.

Who knows? We will find out tonight one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the world. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death will finally end. God bless the great people of Iran.

All right, and then Beth Moore right under, I didn't even catch this at first. Over and over, I keep looking at posts, thinking, surely this is not real. Surely not. Okay, so let's just, like, let's hold the phone.

Let's back up a little bit. Obviously, hindsight's 20 -20, and we know now, or at least it looks now, that this was a negotiating tactic if it was anything that Trump was using. None of that happened, but people were invoking nuclear war.

We'll talk about that more later. Let's talk about Russell Moore, though, and what he said about this, and why I think it fundamentally is a misunderstanding of how Trump has acted for the last decade.

Trump, if you even just go back to pre-Trump 2016, like pre-President Trump, what is he known for?

Deals.

His most famous book, The Art of the Deal. Trump is a negotiator, and he's always negotiating. He's always trying to work over the boardroom. He's always trying to get a better bargain for himself or for the company he represents, or in this case, the United States.

It was the main reason, I think, most people voted for him was he was gonna get us a better deal, and he was gonna fight, because that was his reputation. He fought for deals. One of his tactics is to use a lot of hyperbole.

Now, do I endorse what he, no. I wouldn't have said it. I don't typically want presidents to say these kinds of things, but I do think you need to read the whole tweet, right? And when you end the tweet with, "'God bless the great people of Iran," it doesn't sound like you're gonna nuke them.

So the people freaking out about this who really thought Trump's literally going to nuke Iran, 90 million people are going to die tonight, or at least the major cities. Tehran's gonna be nuked. It's the end for Iran.

The Persian empire went back thousands of years. Their Persians are gone now. Dust heap of history, because Trump sent out a tweet, and based on his tweet, he's gonna push a red button. Nuclear codes are already coming out.

That's how people were taking this. Now, Russell Moore just says, this is not pro-life, right? It's not pro-life, presumably, because this means targeting innocents, because you're saying a civilization will die.

Now, Trump's also, in addition to being hyperbolic, sloppy sometimes with the words or the terms he uses. And I think that in this particular case, who is he talking about? The whole tweet, until the end, he's talking about the regime in Iran.

And he's saying things that are confusing a little bit. I wanna take you back real quick to something else that I was reminded of along these lines. Do you remember during the 2020 contested election, there was January 6th, there was this rally.

Of course, everyone knows about that. And Trump said, I think it was right before the rally, he said it a few times that, you know, Mike Pence, you know Mike Pence, he shoots straight. Mike Pence, what a guy, he's great.

You know, he's just a great vice president. He was like saying all these complimentary things about Mike Pence, how we could depend on him. And what was the reality of the situation? Well, we really, could we, right?

Was Mike Pence gonna do what Trump wanted him to do and return some of these delegates back to their states, back to the legislatures of their states to get recertified, to accept perhaps a different slew of delegates, according to the legislatures.

I mean, the morning of January 6th, I remember the news. Pennsylvania, the legislature had, I don't remember if they recalled or they, what the word they used was, but they were, they did not wanna certify their delegates anyway.

Mike Pence didn't do that. And Trump was working him over, it was a deal. He was exposing him to public pressure. It was a pressure campaign. And I knew it was a pressure campaign at the time, because I didn't think Mike Pence was dependable on this.

I didn't think he was gonna do it. I mean, the fact that Trump's out there saying it was kind of an indication that it could go either way. Trump was hoping to work him over somehow, but otherwise Mike Pence would have been out there with him.

It would have been total confidence from Trump. But if you just watch the way the guy behaves in multiple situations, you'll see this pattern over and over and over again. And it is difficult if you're just taking him literally.

You should take him seriously, but if you're taking him literally on every phrase, you have to balance it with all the other phrases in context and understand who he is and what his MO is. And in this case, I think it's pretty obvious what it was.

He's using hyperbole, and he's talking about the regime in Iran. And he's saying two things that don't sound like they jive together. This is a, what does he say, a complete and total regime change, but then who knows?

Who knows? So they're less radical, smarter, and different, but who knows, right? Trump's saying what he wants it to be, what he's hoping for, and implying there'll be consequences. And kind of like what people do at sports games, we're gonna smash them.

We're gonna annihilate them. We're gonna, right? Like that's the kind of what he's engaged in. So I'm not defending it as much as I am just explaining it. And for some reason, Russell Moore still doesn't get it.

And he's not alone. There was a lot of people that just didn't see what was going on here. And I don't know if it, there is something lacking in your judgment if you can watch a guy for 10 years do this kind of thing repeatedly, and you still get just as upset every single time and don't understand what he's actually up to.

Like it takes almost, it takes skill if that's really a misunderstanding. I don't think it's a misunderstanding though with Russell Moore. I mean, now I'm impugning motives. I realize that. I don't know what's in everyone's heart, but I don't think Russell Moore is that foolish.

I think he understands patterns and he can see Trump. And he, I think he looked at this and thinks it's another opportunity to distance himself and condemn and separate and that kind of thing. So I'll be happy to take questions and opinions and cries of outrage on it.

But that's my thought on the Russell Moore response to the Donald Trump tweet. Reformation 21. I wanted to say this in closing. When we close, we're gonna close the evangelical news chapter and move on to social issues.

But Al Martin, for those who don't know, Al Martin was a fairly popular Reformed Baptist pastor. I went to his church once. He wasn't preaching that night, I don't think, but it was a long time ago. And it was a Trinity Baptist Church in Montville, New Jersey.

I have some friends who are pretty connected. He's known as a hard preacher, fire and brimstone, the whole nine yards. I did not really listen to him. I saw some sermon jams, really more or less, but he passed away a few days ago.

And there's a reflection on Reformation 21 about just what he meant to many people. He was one of the, I suppose, bigger names, especially in the East Coast. That's how I know about him, I think, because he's in New Jersey.

And I did remember when I went to his church, it was kind of cool. It was on a Sunday night and everyone's dressed in like suits and dresses on a Sunday night. And I was like, wow, usually at my church, when we had Sunday night, it was a little more casual.

Not there, very quiet, very respectful and very long. That's what I remember. I think it was like an hour long sermon. And we went to the bookstore after. They had a little bookstore there. And I remember there were books on Stonewall Jackson and Robert E. Lee.

I still remember that at this Christian bookstore in New Jersey. And I just thought, well, that's great. That there's lots of stuff on the Puritans and all kinds of things. But I thought that was kind of interesting and neat.

So Al Martin passed away and going to be with the Lord. And so, sorry, pray for comfort for the church. I don't know what their plans are for moving forward, but wanted to highlight that. Didn't want to leave that unaddressed or unnoticed.

Okay, let's take some questions and comments, and then we'll move on to social issues. We will, there's a lot of questions it looks like. So, but they're not questions for me, which is fine. Passages that talk about Eve, Genesis 2, 3, 4, 2 Corinthians 11, 1 Timothy 2, Revelation 12.

Revelation 12?

Yeah, you're right.

Revelation 12. Absolutely right. Hard to do much more with Eve without reading stuff into it from the outside. And if this is a pastoral class. Marian Jackson, howdy, John from Northwest Houston. Hey, Mary.

I warn parents about Baylor University often. They took Baptist out of their name years ago. Too many people still think it is a Christian university. You know, when I went down there to speak actually at Marian Jackson's group, we went to, I think it was a Baylor extension, and got to see some of the old manuscripts and artifacts they had.

It's pretty neat, beautiful campus there in Houston. And it's just a sad thing. I've been on so many campuses that have so many wonderful books, and they're beautiful places to study. I've gotten to the point where I really actually enjoy those environments.

I don't know if I would have said that 15 or 20 years ago, but like being on a campus, especially one that looks old, you know, get those Gothic windows and get those stone arches. It's just great. It's just, you know, like the library looks like it's from, I don't know, Beauty and the Beast or something, right?

It's just big and nice fireplace if it gets cold. And it's just, it's like a wonderful, wonderful environment that I hate to see totally overrun by leftists who would never be able to build something like that.

These things are all built upon the foundation of people who believed in truth, that it was worth pursuing. Most of all in, I mean, think of the Ivy Leagues. I think there's only one that didn't have a religious beginning that was explicit.

They believed the world is worth looking into and understanding because we have a creator who made it with such care and order. And this is something so wonderful in the West that the current class of intellectuals has lost, unfortunately.

Veritax is saying that Eve-ism is pagan. I totally agree. I totally agree. Okay. I wonder if Al Mohler would be upset at the prophets God spoke through in the time of Israel, Judah's most rebellion before Babylonian exile.

Oh, I mean, it's sort of hard to transport yourself back then, right? But okay, let's keep going here and let's talk about some social issues because we have plenty of social issues to discuss. We have Colorado in the latest Supreme Court loss that adds to a growing string of culture war defeats.

Colorado's loss, this is a Fox News article, in the Supreme Court, Callie Child's case last week marked the third time in recent years the justices have rebuked the state in a major culture war dispute, adding to a growing pattern of high profile reversals in cases over speech, religion and anti-discrimination law.

The high court's decision was the latest in a trio of lawsuits that backfired for Colorado after the Colorado Civil Rights Commission lost in court to a cake baker in a key religious liberty case. And after a website designer won a similar battle, conservative legal experts said the legal setbacks for the state were not coincidence.

Colorado seems bent on enforcing its own new orthodoxy of thought. They lost, okay. This was, Colorado had a conversion therapy ban and it was signed into law in 2019. But Jared Polis, the governor who signed it, let's see.

I don't think, yeah, he's not the governor, I don't think anymore. Anyway, it violated this law he signed, the First Amendment, because it only restricted talk therapy when the therapy aimed to prevent minors from embracing being transgender or gay.

In response to a question from Fox, Alliance Defending Freedom said the state has proven itself to be no respecter of the First Amendment. So this was ruled at eight to one.

Wow.

High court found eight to one that the state law discriminated based on viewpoint. Neil Justice, Neil Gorsuch wrote for the majority opinion, said it was an egregious assault on the Constitution. So they're saying it's a violation of free speech, it sounds like.

The decision followed a landmark ruling in 2023 when the Supreme Court found six to three that the First Amendment barred Colorado from using the state's Anti-Discrimination Act to force a website designer to create wedding websites for the same-sex couple.

So this is a wonderful, wonderful thing. I know that the Israel and, well, not Israel, the Iran stuff has really sucked the oxygen out of the room, but let's just, for a moment, let's take the win, okay?

And let's also be thankful that there was a president in there to fill the vacancies with justices who, yeah, they're not perfect, but they have been better than what we would have had otherwise. And this is a different world than the one we could have been entering if Trump had not been president.

So let's just be honest about that. And it's a different, totally different vibe. New York Post, crazed homeless man accused of slaughtering Irina Zarutska on train, found incompetent to stand trial. You remember this?

Because right before Charlie Kirk was assassinated by, why am I forgetting his name? I don't know why his name is, yeah, Tyler Williams. Okay, Tyler Williams. Okay, so it was right before that, or Tyler Robinson, sorry, not Tyler Williams.

Okay, I don't know why I thought Williams. Anyway, this was right before that, that DeCarlos Brown on the train in North Carolina, city of Durham, the light rail, decided to just randomly, it looked like from the footage, kill Irina Zarutska.

And we talked about it at the time. Now the case is of course unfolding. These things take forever because we don't have swift justice in most places. And they're trying to get him out on a, well, his lawyers, I'm sure his lawyers are involved in this, but this is something from a psychologist, as I understand it, saying he's unfit to stand trial.

And if that's true, if he's truly lacks the competence, then he may not have to, and this is really bad. I mean, I'm trying to think about like, I was thinking about this when I was reading the story and it's in limbo, of course, right now.

We don't know how this is all gonna play out, but the fact that the trial's delayed, that this is the route that they're trying to go, he's insane, basically, right? This is like an insanity defense. What would an actual insanity defense look like, right?

What is someone who's actually insane? I don't know, like someone who's, I'm thinking like in just moral terms, not legal terms. Someone who does not know what they're doing at all and because of that acts negligently, perhaps, like that's the best I can come up with.

This was so purposeful. There was so much intent. We have it on film. We have him muttering under his breath, killed that white girl over there. I mean, someone like this has to be punished. This is not even a biblical category, right?