A Call to Gelasenheit — Henry Lehman

Need of God spirit and grace. You feel tired overwhelmed. That's beside the point beside the point. Okay. Well, it's good. Say how we feel sometimes doesn't hurt. All right. Well Chester Weaver. You are a school teacher By trade and how many children do you have?

It's I have eight children, but I'm a school teacher by calling Pardon me school teacher by calling I I wish I could say I was a landscape or by calling I I Really do feel called. I have to think about that a little bit Chester.

I appreciate you've been involved all these years here in the Anabaptist identity conference and God bless you now as you share and let's have a prayer Lord. Thank you for Chester see him burns his heart and this key very pivotal pivotal Ground Stone this cornerstone.

Lord, I think that this is a key to us to live today in a world that is fragmenting. And that is crying out for for help. Help us Lord as we learn about this powerful truth and please empower brother Chester as he lifts up his voice and Unburdens his heart in Jesus name.

Amen.

May the spirit of the Living God grace us with peace and quietness of heart. It would be able to perceive and understand What he has to say. I'm sorry that my speaking voice does not fit the bill. We'll try.

Christian Community and the Need for Spiritual Power

I'm sorry. What does it take to work? What does it take for communities to work either in an organized community such as a hot right community or an? Unorganized community like most of us here are from.

What does it take to work? What takes several things? But the Dean was giving some of the big picture. I would like to focus now on a particular item that I think is that I understand is the key To making this whole thing work.

It's also the key to correcting ourselves With the fundamentalism that we were talking about last night. First of all before I start I would like to recommend you consider the book that's back there on The one table called golden apples and silver bowls.

This is an Anabaptist gem that was published in 1702 just after the arm what we call the Amish separation and One of the most unique things about this book is we all understand the dortry confession. Well the dortry confession had a weakness and the people on the old Mennonite side Decided that they needed to correct some weaknesses in it.

And so one of the weaknesses they perceived there was no article in a dortry confession on the Holy Spirit for example so they put an article in the Holy Spirit and Also, they removed some of the text and added other texts.

And I would understand that the 19 articles that they came up with is Superior to the original dortry. It's in here. I found it fascinating to take my copy and compare it with a dortry confession copy and Denote the changes in the two.

Now this book has been out of print for many years except you can buy it in German. It never went out of print in German that I know of Mennonite Historical Society in 1999 put it back into print. It was in print for several years and went out of print just recently well within the last year.

And you could buy them one on Amazon for one thousand one hundred dollars. But the Mennonite Historical Society Had discovered enough interest in this thing to be reprinted and so it's been reprinted again.

And they're in the tables back here. We have plenty of them. There's just a few in the one table, but I have a box of 25 more. You need one of these it only cost $25. Let me illustrate why you need it in addition to the 19 articles that I talked about before.

This is somewhat of a devotional book. It's not a history book. Section 1 has to do with the epistle of and court proceedings against Michael Sattler. Section 2 is a confession of faith and epistle of Thomas von Embroik.

Section 3 is the last will and an epistle of Sotkan Vendenhout the Dutch lady. And one of the things she writes is to her child Section for the epistles of Matthias surveys and Conrad Koch. Section 5 is a 19 articles.

Section 6 is Christian prayers. Section 7 is the instruction and Christian singing and a Christian hymn of discipleship. And we have Leonard gross to thank for pushing some of this and I bless Leonard for Doing what it took to bring this back into English use and another thing that I just find so amazing.

Then the introduction the people who put this together said this is just as persecution was ending. We're saying we are finding people around us are beginning to look to us to have some answers and We need to be careful about all that and it sounds like it was written in the year 2000.

It's so relevant to today check it out. Also in the book back table back there in the corner is for free the antithesis of Job. I might refer to that a little bit more later the call to Galatian height.

Gelassenheit as a Response to Fundamentalism

First of all, we need to define terms. So fundamentalism has been sufficiently defined in my previous topic suffice it to say the fundamentalism. Fundamentalism has been both a bane and a blessing to the Mennonite Church in its effort to combat liberalism to claim Galatian height as the nemesis of Fundamentalism as the states in your program need some definition and clarification.

Nemesis as used in this topic carries the idea of ending the negative consequences that have tended to accompany fundamentalism wherever it has gone as I'm using the word nemesis. I intend nothing about retributive justice.

In other words I'm not claiming at all that Galatian height will or should undo fundamentalism. Fundamentalism with its stand for the virgin birth of Christ the literal miracles of Christ the bodily resurrection of Christ the divine inspiration of the Holy Scripture and More has served conservative Mennonites as well, including myself.

It has served us. Well if Fundamentalism had not trained its heavy guns against the weighty ins onslaught of liberalism when it did where would we be today? And So we're thankful to Christ for the good that fundamentalism was able to accomplish.

But today in 2015 in a number of ways conservative Mennonites are standing with their backs to the wall. Realizing that something is amiss, but are not exactly sure what the problem is. My first topic attempted to locate the problem in history both in the larger context of Protestantism as well as in our own story.

But today I Appeal to conservative Mennonites to own their own problem where it exists. To do so would be much more than half the remedy. But alas this very afternoon too many conservative Mennonites have embraced the lie.

That much of fundamentalism is equal to anabaptism. And that scares me. In other words too many conservative Mennonites do not know the facts of their own story. And I grieve that and I dream of the day when Mennonite young people will know their own story and will grasp a significance and Not just believe a fundamentalist version of that story.

I Grew up in the old Mennonite Church, and I was taught and trained in evangelical theology. I was not taught the essence of anabaptism the Light slowly dawned upon me as I began to read the Anabaptist story.

And even today it's easy for me to revert back to my default training. I Pray God would graciously shift my entire worldview as well as my default thinking to what the New Testament actually teaches. For me Christianity that's focused first on the Living Word the person of Jesus Christ, and thank you Dean once again the person of Jesus Christ.

Rather than focused first on the Holy Scriptures which include the person of Jesus Christ. Has made the difference between Christianity that's academic and Christianity that's a real relationship with Jesus Christ and that difference is huge.

When churches struggle with their own young people for not buying in to the church's position and mission. It's easy to fault the young people but maybe the young people discern a very real problem a Problem they're most not most likely not able to articulate.

Maybe just maybe they're looking for something genuine something divine something powerful. Something meaningful and something deeply satisfying. When churches find their members consume with materialism.

Just maybe those members are seeking fulfillment because the real living person of Christ has not been held before them. When churches are consumed with criticism controversy and bickering. Most likely Christ is not immediately present.

Onlookers easily note Christ's absence. When individual Christians feel exhausted with all the discipline necessary to keep up with all that's Expected to maintain a good image. Christ is most likely saying Come unto me all ye that labor and are heavy laden and I will give you rest.

When people are abused verbally and emotionally abused in the name of Christ. He is definitely absent and he's weeping while watching from a distance. When plank obstructed eyes are trying to find moats in other people's eyes.

Christ is nowhere around Christ. Jesus teaches us first to think and say I Have the plank you have the moat. That's a kingdom principle. It's not natural. I personally have been abused a number of times in some rather significant ways and My guess is that you have also been abused at one or more times in your life.

Of course, Jesus Christ himself has suffered the greatest abuse of all he understands every abuse that we experience and he is always there beside the abused never the abuser and every time he ministers grace and compassion and comfort and courage and healing to the abused and At the same time he teaches forgiveness for abusers.

That's the way of Christ and I need to say at this point that Fundamentalism has taught conservative Mennonites how to be spiritual abusers and feel good about it. Fundamentalism has taught us millions and militancy not mercy.

Fundamentalism has taught us doctrine not deliverance. Fundamentalism has taught us rigidity not rest. And for these sins we must repent. Jesus said he came for the sick for people who recognize their own needs.

Those are well the Pharisees do not come for help for decades. Fundamentalism has taught Bill Gothard how to abuse people and still be considered godly holy and untouchable. But finally God is not mocked and Almighty God is dealing with Bill and others now and we beseech his mercy upon that whole ongoing story.

And that story is not finished. The question before us is how should we respond to abuse? The question is not primarily how to prevent abuse. Although that's an important question itself. But since abuse will happen in this fallen world.

The larger and better response is the call to Galatian height. And I would like to spend quite a bit of the rest of the time now in the overheads. I Guess it's dark enough back here for for that. Okay, could we have these center lights out, please?

Thank you. All right. This first overhead says the power of powerlessness. We have forgotten this teaching of Jesus Christ. Jesus says if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me. What does he mean by that?

What is the power of powerlessness? You see whenever we box ourselves in with all the right formulas all the right Doctrines all the right interpretations all the right practices we have everything nuanced just perfectly human power is at work.

But God restrains himself. He stands outside the box. He basically is a gentleman who says okay if you've people think you have it and you want to do it that way go ahead. God is very much of a gentleman.

He'll never force himself on anybody. So he stands back and he lets us run into the wall like we're running into the wall today but if we remove the box and Let God do it his way, even though it doesn't seem to work in our human minds if we become humanly powerless God goes to work.

There's something divine here. I can hardly explain this and put this into words. This is your handout. I get this from the book entitled Amish peace. It has a whole chapter on Galatian height. We would like to spend some time on this this word.

Galatian height is not an English word. And there's no English word that's parallel to this. This word Galatian height has much packed into it. The most common way to understand it is in terms of yieldedness.

But listen, it's not just yieldedness. It's this package. Altogether packed in one word. Yieldedness. Humility calmness. Composure meekness aplomb. Tranquility Imperturbability. Serenity poise. Sedateness letting go the opposite of self-assertion a gentle spirit submitting to God's will.

Brokenness. Esteems others above self. It's the union and agreement of the inner experience without response. But get the last one it's caught. Not taught. I asked some of my Amish neighbors my older Amish neighbors about this where a couple years ago I said what do you have to say about Galatian height?

And one man said, you know, I've heard of that word. He says I I'm not sure what it is. I've heard of it. What was amazing to me is the older Amish practice this among their peoplehood experience. Even though they've forgotten some of the word now.

They don't practice all of Galatian height but they have something about Galatian height that many of the rest of us don't have and Something we can learn from them and if I'm not getting all this, right.

Somebody who understands Galatian height better than me. Please talk to us at the question-and-answer period to get the matter straight for in Galatian height. There's two dimensions. There is a relationship with God and I the believer in God.

That's the vertical relationship. But there's a horizontal relationship between believer and believer. Now the Anabaptist said there's no man in Christ apart from his brother. It's easy for Protestantism and evangelicalism to talk about God and I.

It's easy to talk that way. But how do brother does brother relate to brother in an ongoing working relationship? That brother Dean was talking about in community. Something must be present. You see the evangelical community says I'll let you alone.

You let me alone and we'll be okay. You stay out of my hair. I'll stay out of your hair and everybody benefits and that's not what the gospel of Jesus teaches. Now if we have Galatian height working on two dimensions here in our vertical relationship with God and our horizontal relationship with each other.

The results are security. Protection strength. Resources continuity and more. But if there is no Galatian height. Look at that a dot. Pretty small. The result is in the absence of Galatian height there's exposure.

There's aloneness. There's weakness. Vulnerability. And Fragmentation, this is a quote from Philip Spinner. Galatian height the nemesis of argumentation. He says not all disputation is useful and good.

How often the disputants themselves are persons without the spirit and faith? Filled with carnal wisdom drawn from the scriptures, but not instructed by God. What is to be expected from such disputants?

How often is unholy fire brought into the sanctuary of the Lord. That is an unholy intent directed not to God's glory but to man's they call forth his curse and nothing is achieved by such disputing. An Opponent is so annoyed by this that although he may not be able to answer the manner of proceeding against him.

The carnal emotions the insults and the like hinder the hoped-for conversion. Now I have lived enough years in a more loose kind of community that That most of us here function in and I know how easy it is to fall into Argumentation as we work out how community is to move forward.

But he is saying here that if we're into argumentation and trying to prove a point we're done. We're done. There's no way forward. There's no Galatian height here by nature. We're self-centered. We want it our way.

We're selfish everything comes in to me. So that I can advance I can rise. Sounds somewhat satanic doesn't it? Whereas in Galatian height, you notice that I exist in humility and Brokenness so that I can serve my family so that I can serve my community and The community might be including hurting people.

It's been said that hurt people hurt people. Well Jesus wants to be a part of the healing so that at least Partially healed people can minister to hurting people and allow the redemptive grace of Christ to work there.

There's something about being able to be ministered to by a person who's experienced the same thing. We have that is so healing. And I'm not talking about Jesus Christ now. I'm talking that has its place but humans who have gone through the same thing we have and survived and prospered that's Healing see in the kingdoms of this world who see self actualization through wealth connection and education various people rise to various heights in that self actualization effort.

Of course the world honors the people who have risen high. It looks down on the people who haven't gotten very far but in Galatian height in the kingdom of Christ Christ reigns. Where self is surrendered in brotherhood?

Where we are in Christ with our brother. Redeeming our brother not that we have any blood to shed for him. Although sometimes we do. But we enter into life with him hurt with him joy with him work with him serve with him cry with him.

But when we have Galatian height failure. It's like this brotherhood down here one of these members gets cancer. Malignant cancer somehow self begins to grow and Just like cancer cells grow and interfere with other cells and eventually eventually kill the organism.

That's what happens when Galatian height is absent in any community. Did you hear me any community? Whether it's an open or closed community Galatian height failure means the death of that community. Now I would like to change the focus just a little bit here to help us understand Some practical things and how this works now this little diagram I use an anabaptist identity conference in Florida a couple years ago.

So some people might recognize this. It's the stages of growth under this defeat of this is a non born-again experience. So everything above here the bottom for them feet is we're gonna say some stage in Christian experience.

And in this group sitting here today every one of us are on either stage one two three or four. So we're all here. Now stage one we're gonna say is like the carnal stage like Paul says. I'm so sorry. I wish I could be interactive with you.

I wish I could talk to you and have questions. I realize this is after lunch and you're getting sleepy and I'll I'll try to do what I can but I can't talk to you in the interactive way in Stage one the carnal stage is where we begin many times.

We're up and we're down. There's a lot of flesh we're dealing with. Apostle Paul talks about are you not carnal when there's all these? Divisions and and so on among you but stage two is the sacral stage.

This is what fundamentalism is all about stage two where Doctrines are important orthodoxy is important rules are important standards are important ordinances are important and Jesus does give us some physical outward things to do and There is absolutely no living body that does not have some kind of outward organized form.

So this is it has its place. But just as the people in stage one begin to realize there's something more Than carnal Christianity and they move into stage two because they perceive it's above. The people at stage two are above me.

So I want to move into that once they're in that they realize there's still something more and so they move up into stage three, which is the most dangerous stage of all and There's several parts. I'd like to point out here.

The first one is In this question stage when we begin to ask questions about stage two. Is this is especially true for young people? Sometimes when people raise this question, they're told to shut up.

Just do it. Don't ask any questions. I don't know why either would just do it as bad news bad news the second stage. Or the second question here. We get we seek answers when we ask questions we can either get good answers Christ answers answers according to reality or we can get the world's answers and many times.

People who have asked questions have not good and good answers and they have left for the world. Sometimes they leave for the world in the form of religion. It's just more more of some kind of liberal church where you can have flesh and spirit together.

We'll just leave that the third Area where we raise questions is the questions that relate to Integrity and I don't have time right now to to deal with this. But I've been working with young people for a while already and I know that these this is extremely important.

I cannot overemphasize this. I'll just read down over this and Discipline myself not to talk about them. Integrity means truth-telling with no spin. Just saying it like it is being single-minded not double-minded.

Integrity means keeping commitments. It means not cheating. It means not shading the truth. It means being objective and fact-oriented. It means not being non-prejudiced. I can't help myself. So I'm gonna talk stop right here.

I come from the south from Texas. I came up here in 2008 about seven years ago down south the traditional prejudice is against blacks and If a black man swims at a white man's swimming pool you got to drain the water out before anybody else can swim in it, okay, and we smile at that and so I came up here to northern, Indiana and We're not we don't we're not prejudiced up here.

I Was here two days until I discovered in northern, Indiana. The prejudice is against Amish. It's Amish prejudice, and I'll stop right there. Integrity means being fair impartial. Integrity means no insinuendo no insinuation and no innuendo.

Integrity means being consistent. Integrity means honoring our promises even if it hurts. Integrity means keeping confidences. Integrity means being guileless. With no hypocrisy. It means being true to who I am with no pretense.

The Stages of Christian Growth

Now when little children come into the world in their innocence we'll say they enter the stick the picture at this point, but they're bent to evil and They fall their human nature causes them to fall into the sins of the flesh such as immorality and theft and all those little Fleshly things or sins of the spirits such as jealousy covetousness, and there's a whole bunch more there, okay, so they get converted.

They come into stage one they go into stage two and Stage two meets them where they used to be. I've taught school and all long enough to know that one of the primary concerns of a school-aged child is Whether something is fair or not.

Okay. There must be justice. And they can tell if something's right or wrong they're very sensitive about that. Okay, but Christian growth does not stop there. It was goes through the stage three and It goes on to stage four.

Into the higher ethic now. This is where anabaptism Forte is this is what we have missed for so long. This is where galah sin height is. You can't do galah sin height in stage one. You can't do galah sin height in stage two.

You wonder about galah sin height in stage three. You become empowered for galah sin height in stage four before I take this off notice also at stage four we have such things as forgiveness reconciliation.

Integrity humility and more. Now on this stage four before we get into Stage four before we can move there we begin to get some answers to our questions. But we realize. How are we going to get there and brothers and sisters?

I would like to emphasize this. What we're talking about here is the divine work of God. It's not something you dream yourself into. It's not something you pull yourselves up by your own bootstraps. It's something that's the work of God a Divine work in our souls.

For example, if we realize that God is calling us up in our growth. We Realize that there's a there's dimensions of our Christian experience. We've not gotten to yet. The first response we have is I will.

By my determination. Step up. But you know, that's the weakest. Sort of power we have. It's a very weakest. Now we can say we're gonna have some group accountability. We will together pull each other up and hold each other accountable.

Sounds good. It helps a little. But it's still not enough. There's empowerment happens somehow and this is a mystery. I cannot explain Where we surrender in Galatian height to the Living Christ. To Holy Spirit power and somehow God reaches down and gets a hold of us and lifts us up with unlimited transcendent power and Everything that comes to push us down such as abuse becomes power to step up.

The things that would destroy us become our strength. What are the blocks that stone us we step on? God is present. This is why the Anabaptists changed the course of Western history. They didn't set out to change the course of Western history but just by rising as God was a lot as they allowed God to do their his work and their souls by Simply being obedient to him.

He used them to change the course of Western history. What could happen today if we would allow God to do the same thing with us? You see if we're down here in stage two preoccupied with rules and standards with rituals and ordinances with observable practices.

With Orthodox theology, which is where fundamentalism is. Some of these things are enforceable short of coercion, but it always generates this question questions like what's wrong with. Listen brothers and sisters if you hear young people, whoever who begin to use these words very often.

What's wrong with hmm? Well, what's wrong with me? What's wrong with me? Then you are knowing or they are stating that they're in stage two. Stage two asks that kind of question. Now if we skip over stage three go up here to stage four look we're preoccupied with Galasinite forgiveness the golden rule.

How many times are we allowed to treat other people better than ourselves or as ourselves? How many cups of gold a cold water Dean in your congregation? What's your limit of cups of gold water in one day that your members are allowed to give?

No limit. How many times are your people allowed to do the Good Samaritan work in one day Dean? No limit. How many times are your people allowed to forgive each other David. No limit the disciples said well just seven times.

Seventy times seven the whole point is there's no limit to forgiveness. How many times can we abused and it's the limit? There is no limit. Every stone that comes upon us is a opportunity to step up and so we overcome evil with good.

Time after time after time after time because the living Christ is living inside of us. The law of God is written in our hearts and he goes to work. You see we're beyond self. It's the active work of Christ in us.

We're not just dealing with death to self which is passive. We're beyond that we're proactively working in the kingdom building his kingdom. You know this generates this kind of question what's right with or what else can I do in our church right now we're developing a hands of hope program where We're trying to find ways we can go out in the community and and help people who cannot be helped.

They're not served by some kind of government agency. It might be just to read to somebody or to take somebody to the doctor or to fix something or there's no limit. The people in Kansas have already been doing this they've been doing it for five or six years.

It is so big that they have actually they are actually paying a man to direct this to spend 30 hours a week. Just giving direction. He doesn't do the work. He assigns it to people in the church. There's no limit.

Where have we been in our communities? All we do is build up our own empires and get wealthier and wealthier and wealthier and farther and farther away from God. What could happen if we would go out in our communities and serve people like this?

This stuff is unenforceable. You can't get your hands around this stuff. It's where the power of God is at work. But it's the spontaneous byproduct of God's love working in us. This is where the early Anabaptists lived and worked.

This is why they had the power that they had in the book joy and submission. I Get this quote. American individualism. Clashes with the Anabaptist theme of gloss and height or yieldedness to God in the church without a good understanding of gloss and height voluntary church order is impossible.

Therefore when the Mennonites embraced Individualism church order lost its voluntary principles and became rule based. How much power is there you think about that? Living the Sermon on the Mount in a practical way is living powerfully in the world.

The first beatitude of blessed are the poor in spirit or we could say blessed is the person who understands his own neediness. Jesus says there for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. But that's not natural.

You have the problems. I don't. I've got it together. You ought to do it like me. That's the opposite of the first beatitude. The last beatitude says blessed are you when men shall persecute you and Again, Jesus says for those people.

There's is the kingdom of heaven right? There's where he is and in between those two beatitudes Jesus says Blessed are the pure in heart for they shall see God or we could say Blessed are those who agree with God completely for they're the ones are going to see God.

Those are powerful words. This is the way of Christ and more could be said there. God's way is best if human wisdom a fairer way may seem to show. Tis only that our earth division a fairer way may seem to show God's way is best.

I will not murmur although the end I may not see where he leads. I'll meekly follow God's way is best is best for me and it's also best for you. I'm convinced that much of the way of Christ has been lost among us lost already in past generations.

But not all of it in the past 125 years the old Mennonite Church of the old Mennonites had attempted to combat modern religious liberalism by using the fundamentalist strategy. She tried to correct I'm sorry, she tried to put the Correct doctrine in the correct boxes in the place the boxes in correct rows.

Christianity was tamed in the process and domesticated into a belief system Accompanied by some religious practices and I raised the question How much power is that and if I may say it in terms of my overhead she stepped from stage four down into stage two and Insisted stage two is the way to go and it's a mistake and We've got to deal with that.

We've got to repent of that and go back to the higher ethic. Those men fought valiantly. I don't want to cast any reflection upon anybody. We do the best we can with the light we have. I Bless God for some of those people who?

Combated liberalism. The story is all written Gospel versus gospel. There's another book. I didn't hold it up over here. It's vision doctrine and war. It's in the Mennonite experience in America. The story is written and if you read that story, you can see that something has been misguided and so in conclusion as An aid to thinking about this.

I would like to distribute those Antithesis of Job back there want you to each help yourself to one of those booklets written in 1949. Jeff Haynes of Haynes printing is making these available at no cost to this conference if you want to thank him if he's here Find him.

Thank him. Please read that book prayerfully and listen carefully to what the Spirit of God is saying.

Preserving External Practices While Pursuing Higher Ethics

Marvin Kaufman from Lee in Iowa. You said brother Chester that stage two they moved down to stage two and that is not the way to go but the same time you I think you would see some value in the Observable practices the structure of stage two.

How do we maintain that and at the same time move into stage four?

Thank you, brother Marvin. That's a very good question. Does Jesus still teach baptism should a person still be baptized? Should we practice communion? Should we wash feet? Of course should churches have standards, of course.

But that's not the end of it and in every normal congregation you have people at all these places at the same time. But a normal way to think is let's move on brothers. Let's go on into better things.

Let's not get stagnated here nor here or get stuck here get good answers so we can get into Kingdom work here. Does that answer your question Marvin brother Marvin says he's not sure how to do it. What mother Marvin?

This is a wonderful statement. You have just expressed The first beatitude blessed are the poor in spirit. We don't like this. We don't like to be in desperate situations. We want to have it all figured out.

But this is part of what Christianity is it's coming up against things that we don't know what to do about and Then we cry out to God because we don't have any other answers and that's exactly what he wants us to do.

Responding to Abuse Without Enabling Abusers

I'm there in schlabach. I'm from Goshen, Indiana. I move. I come from frankly, so I'm on you know different circles than most people I guess in this room and where I come from. We've talked about Galatian height, but there is some Some resistance and I'll let you guess what.

I'm talking about some resistance because of the question How do you? advise Galatian height when some people are abused and not give Without giving aid and comfort to the abusers. For that reason it's a very live question and There's some people really rejecting the Galatian height principle I Think maybe.

Well, I'll let you Answer it. Very good question. Okay, I talked about my responsibility to accept and deal with the abuse that I get. Am I saying that that should not be shared or reported where it needs to be reported?

No, if there's a sexual molester that needs to be reported to people who can deal with it and In I guess I'm free to say this is this public in John Howard Yoder's case. Some people made some attempts to do that, but it didn't get anywhere.

Unfortunately if there is an abuser around that abuser needs to be faced with the abuse. I I'm a teacher and little children are some of the worst abusers there are. Teenagers abuse each other they pick on each other.

Okay, so we tend to think the abusers the bullies are the bad guys. And I have to teach these little boys and girls look if somebody comes and abuses you and bullies you stand up to him. What's up back off?

Now you say it's not Galatian height, I think it is if it's done in a right spirit. The last and height is not just simply accepting everything. Okay, everything. I'll just take it all just all that's not what it is.

I think there's a balance here. I'm not sure if I'm answering all your questions there. Davey Katie from Chicago again. Dear brother you mentioned You made this statement. I think The Anabaptists have changed the course of Western history.