Trevor Loudon on Foreign Political Influence

Foreign Political Influence and the Fracturing of the Conservative Movement

Once again to the Conversations That Matter podcast, I'm your host John Harris, here with a special guest who has been on the podcast before, but who has so much more to tell us after I think a few years, actually.

I think maybe the last time was two or three years ago he was on, and that is my friend Trevor Loudon, who you can find out more about if you go to trevorloudon .com, purchase his books there. He has great research also at keywiki .org, keywiki .org, and an incredible resource of information there on people's communist eyes, people who you wouldn't think they're communists and they have all sorts of connections.

So Trevor, thanks for being with us once again. Last time we talked, it was a different world, and that was only I think two or three years.

Ago.

What's changed? I mean, the conservative movement is fracturing. It feels dystopian.

Conservative and the Reagan era, it was very easy to identify what a conservative was. You know, you're anti-communist. You stood against the Soviet bloc. You supported our allies. You supported Israel.

You believed in the constitution. You believed in the Christian foundations of America, and you supported sound education, you know, government out of the economy as much as possible, etc. It was pretty, there wasn't a lot of debate on what constitutes a conservative today, but now you have the movement split several ways over issues like Israel, the role of the economy, populism, the role of the constitution, Dugan, Yavin, all sorts of things.

So the Ukraine war is another one. So yeah, the movement is fracturing, which does not bode well. But you know, I have a lot of thoughts on why this is happening.

You know, it's probably about me that I'm somewhat of a paleocon. I have some Southern conservative sympathies, and I don't see us as an economic zone. I don't see the United States as a proposition where anyone with any culture and any religion can just come and be an American on day one because they passed a test or their feet touched the American soil.

And it's funny to me, I feel like I'm going through a bit of an audience replacement, not hugely. There's a lot of people who follow me are still following me, and I have a pretty loyal audience. But there's definitely some people on the edges of the audience who have accused me of all kinds of things.

And in fact, this morning, I was accused of being a groper and that I was also accused, and this was more of the accusations of being a William F. Buckley neocon. And I'm just like sitting here, you know, what in the world is going on?

And as we record this, of course, the TPUSA speeches were last night. I said something nice about Ben Shapiro because I said he was brave, which I think he was. I said something negative about Tucker Carlson because Tucker Carlson was going to bat for Muslims in America, like we should all get along based on some shared decency.

And I'm like, this seems like common sense to me. It seems like what Candace Owens has been doing is crazy at this point. But I'm hitting a wall with some people that just like they see her as a truth teller and that I'm I just must believe the FBI narrative or something, even though at this stage in the case, all we have is a suspect.

And it's also being tried in the state court. Of course, Utah, I'm told, is there there are neocons. The governor is a neocon. You can't trust. So I can't trust anything. It's like no information is trustworthy except this woman over here who's just asking questions.

And I don't know where this comes from exactly. I've tried to approach this. You've been paying attention for longer than me.

What is this?

Russian Psyops and the Fragmentation of the Right

This is a long term Russian psyop to divide and destroy the American conservative movement. And it operates through multiple strands. There's also Qatari elements to this, other bad actors, the Iranians involved.

But primarily, this is the Russians stoking divisions in the conservative movement through people like Alexander Dugan, Curtis Yavin. Yeah, that's ultimately what it is. And nobody's pointing the finger finger right there.

But it's all roads lead back to Moscow on this operation.

This is news to me. I know your research was really good for enemies within the church.

Well, it's news to most people. We're all looking. What is happening to the right? Why is all this happening? Why are we splitting all these different ways? And nobody's focusing on what it obviously is.

And every strand goes back. You know, who was the biggest enemy geopolitically of Moscow, whether it's under Putin or Brezhnev or Gorbachev? It is the U .S. conservative movement. And it was always the main target.

You know, Ronald Reagan's conservative coalition is the number one enemy of Moscow. And so if you want to take down America and its place in the world, if you want to marginalize Israel and make Israel more easily conquerable, you have to split that coalition.

The MAGA coalition, the conservative coalition. You have to divide all these areas into these neocon, anti-neocon, pro-Israel, anti-Israel, woke right, conservative right, you know, pro-Ukraine, anti-Ukraine, pro-Candace, pro-Tucker, anti-Candace, anti-Tucker.

All of these divisions can be traced back to Russian PSYOPs. I can name the websites that are coming through. I can name the themes that are done. But that's where it's coming from.

Well, if you could do that, that would be helpful, because I don't know of any direct connections and I haven't researched it with someone like a Candace Owens, whether she's being paid by Russia or given information by Russia.

How would that work exactly?

Well, she is certain. I don't know if she's paid by Russia, but she is certainly amplifying Russian propaganda themes. You know, who was the first person that said that Netanyahu killed Charlie Kirk? It came out of Grayzone, a pro-Russian website.

First ones. And Candace picks it up, others pick it up. It's very easy to see. A lot of these people are not paid by the Russians. But what they are doing, the Russians amplify their websites. They have thousands and thousands and thousands of bots who then go to these X sites and amplify their traffic into the millions.

You know, Nick Fuentes is a classic example of this. So is the, what's his name, the young head of the American Communist Party, Jackson Hinkle. These people are nothing until they get a whole bunch of traffic directed through Russian bots.

It was recently X, for a couple of hours, enabled a function where you could see where the account you were looking at actually originated from. And for a few hours, you could see that many of these so-called American sites were coming from Russia and Bulgaria.

I'll give you another example of how this works. There's a big independence movement in Scotland, right, the Scottish independence movement. There's a lot of X sites all about this. Well, when America attacked Iran and blew up their nuclear facilities and everything went out in Iran for a few hours, power was out.

Whatever, all these pro-Scottish independence websites went down, all these X accounts went down because they were coming out of Iran. So why would the Iranians be promoting Scottish independence? Because Iran is a client state of Russia and Russia wants to destroy, divide the United Kingdom because the most important submarine base in the entire North Sea is situated in Scotland.

And if you could take Scotland out of the UK, you take Scotland out of NATO and NATO loses the most important submarine base in the North Sea. There's more to it than that. But this is the kind of strategic thing that is happening.

And a united American conservative movement based on the Constitution, based on, you know, traditional American values is the number one impediment to Russian expansionism, Chinese expansionism, Iranian expansionism and Islamic expansionism.

So what would you want to do? Would you not want to divide the U .S.

Right? Well, I think if you study the Cold War, this is not anything that would shock anyone if it were true, because during that time, hindsight's 2020, we have historians who have been able to go back and check the records in both Moscow, Moscow and the United States and find out all these crazy connections.

And they were behind social crusades to divide America up, to destabilize. But our enemies have always done that. Right. And they see factors, especially like race, as good fracture points to try to set us against each other more so than we already are.

So I wouldn't be surprised with that continuing. I guess the hang up I have and number one, the Democrats used Russia so much against Donald Trump and said, similar to what you're saying, that that mechanism got Donald Trump elected in 2016.

And then I also see Israel as another actor on the foreign stage who also has a lot of influence. And of course, that's gotten a lot of attention lately. And so I wonder whether, you know, Qatar, Israel, Russia, all these like China, they just all have their hand in the pot.

They're all trying to persuade America to do something for them or not do something to them. And what about Americans just making their own decisions? Don't we also do that? Do we associate too much with foreign influence?

Look, if Americans understood the amount of foreign influence in the country, they'd tear their hair out. Look, you know, the Chinese gave us Obama. They gave us Kamala Harris. They gave us Tim Walz and they gave us Joe Biden, you know, but before Joe Biden worked for the Chinese, he worked for the Russians and the Iranians.

The foreigners have been infiltrating our politics for decades. The Cubans have about 40 U .S. congressmen in their pocket and have had for decades. That's the Cubans, right? The Congressional Progressive Black Caucus was set up with help from Cuba and has run as an agency for Cuba since the 90s, since the early 90s.

So there is massive foreign infiltration. The Chinese have played major roles in the last several U .S. elections, but they've been interfering. They were behind Jesse Jackson's Rainbow Coalition of the 1980s.

That became the Obama coalition. That became the Harris-Waltz coalition. That's a Chinese operation. Black Lives Matter was a Chinese operation. You know, there is the Chinese have several through their local American communist parties have have big voter registration networks in every key swing state.

They claim credit for flipping the election for Biden-Harris. I'll give you an example. Look, in Virginia, Virginia was a really, really red state, right? Then it went purple in 2008. Now it's purple again.

Now it's blue. Well, in 2007, a pro-Chinese communist party called the Freedom Road Socialist Organization, who later started Black Lives Matter, set up a voter registration organization in northern Virginia called New Virginia Majority.

And they went out and signed up 300 ,000 minority voters effectively for the Democrats, even though they were supposedly nonpartisan. And they and they flipped the state for Biden, for Obama. That's what they say in their own publications.

Now, the reason they were so efficient, they signed up 300 ,000 minority voters. Then they prevailed on Terry McAuliffe, the then governor of Virginia, to pardon, to give voting rights back to 200 ,000 Virginia felons.

That was against the state constitution. So he personally signed 200 ,000 pardons. And he was given an award for doing that at the fundraising dinner of New Virginia Majority. But anyway, the reason they were so successful, they were using GIS computerized maps.

They had every single precinct in Virginia mapped out. They could tell you all of the voting patterns, where the minorities lived particularly, so they could send Iranian volunteers into Iranian neighborhoods, Puerto Rican volunteers into Puerto Rican neighborhoods.

Those maps were generated on contract by Freedom Road Socialist Organization, Marxist Leninist called Steve McClure, a graduate of the George Mason University Geography Department, who is making those maps and still is to this day working out of the Geography Department of Wuhan University, China.

So the Chinese are influencing our elections at a micro level with straight out voter registration in about 10 states right now, Nevada, Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Texas, North Carolina, and a couple of others.

So forget this idea that we're just starting to get a little bit of foreign influence. Involvement in our system, it's been going on for decades.

Russian Outreach to American Conservatives and Christian Movements

I want to get back to Russia, but let's do that next. And then I do want to talk about Qatar and Israel as well and whatever research you've done on those countries.

Well, OK, Russia, about 1995, a couple of Russian sociologists, I just can't remember their names, from Moscow University started to formulate the idea of courting the American conservative and Christian movements.

Europe as well, but mainly America. And from that point, the Russians started to hold family values conferences in Georgia, in Hungary, in Russia itself. And they would invite all these American social conservatives over to Russia and they'll tell them that Putin's a Christian, we're all about family values, we hate George Soros, and we're going to save you from the Muslim hordes and the gay and the gay radicals.

And so they courted a lot of the very strong American Christian conservative groups. And our friend Judd Saul has seen this up front. He's been at meetings where the Russian Alexei Komov was coming into these big conservative meetings and telling everybody what a great lion of Christianity Putin was and all this kind of thing.

At the same time, though, the Russian Patriarch of the Russian Patriarchate of the Orthodox Church realigned in 2007 with the Moscow Patriarch. The Russian Orthodox Church in America had broken with the Muscovites because they were controlled by the KGB.

But they still are. But in 2007, they reunited, which is why, partly explains why a lot of people, a lot of American Christians are going into Russian orthodoxy because it's seen as a very traditional faith.

But it's now controlled by the KGB, which is why many of them, these paleocons, are adopting pro-Russian, pro-Putin positions. So that's one strand of it. You had the Ron Paul movement, which has been increasingly aligned with the Russians over the last 20 years.

Ron Paul is very much a protégé, a friend of Denis Kucinich, a former congressman from Ohio, is deeply in bed with the Communist Party in Ohio and is deeply in bed with the Russians, one of Russia's main apologists.

He is the one who took Tulsi Gabbard to meet in Syria in 2016 with Bashar al-Assad, the pro-Russian dictator of Syria. So she's part of the strand as well. And at the same, then you had this going on, you've had QAnon, when that came out, that increasingly adopted pro-Russian, anti-Semitic, pro-Russian memes.

You know, they're always going on about the Khazarian mafia, the Rothschilds, the banking cartels and all this kind of thing. All of this is designed to appeal to different segments of the U .S. right, the anti-Semitic right to amplify that, to turn the conservative movement against Israel, the playing on American isolationism to really stick it to NATO and stick it to Ukraine.

Ukraine should be the natural ally of American conservatives and most American conservatives are still pro-Ukraine, but there's a substantial minority that are not. But the big influence here is Alexander Dugin.

Now, Dugin is a Russian philosopher, the son of a Russian military intelligence officer, an occultist in the 90s, a drug addict who was recruited by the KGB to help formulate philosophies that would appeal to the right.

He was also an advisor to Gennady Zaganov, the head of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, and helped to found what they call a national Bolshevik movement, the These are the sort of amalgamation of fascism and Stalinism that has inspired many of the mass shooters that we see in America.

Brandon Tarrant, the guy who shot up the mosque in my hometown of Christchurch, New Zealand, was a Nat-Bol, he was a pro-Russian Nat-Bol. The guy, the young man who shot up the El Paso Walmart had Nat-Bol symbology all over his room.

Same with the young man who shot up the supermarket in Buffalo. These are Nat-Bols, these are pro-Russian national Bolsheviks. And so you've got all these strands. Then you've got the Margaret Communists from Jackson Hinkle, who Tucker Carlson puts on his show all the time, who's a personal friend of Tulsi Gabbard's, who is now head of the American Communist Party and completely pro-Russia, pro-China, pro-Iran.

So what you've got through a whole bunch of websites, through Greyzone, through RT, through QAnon, through the Ron Paul movement, is an amplification of the divisive points in the American conservative movement, particularly using anti-Semitism to drive a wedge between American conservatives and Israel, and give the Democrats a talking point to talk about the anti-Semitism in the conservative movement.

And there's so much Russian influence coming in, giving the Democrats an excuse for their own 60 years of Russian influence and Russian connections. They've been able to flip the narrative. You know, nobody's more pro-Russian than Hillary Clinton.

Russia, Trump, and the Democratic Party

I want to know about the Democrats' narrative now in the 2016 election. They claimed at least two things, that the Russians were putting Trump over the edge through social media manipulation. And then, of course, there was the Russiagate, which we call a hoax now.

Was there any merit to that first claim?

The Russians actually favored Hillary Clinton, but they also did promote, you know, they promoted some of Trump's talking points as well. Hillary Clinton's always been their girl. You know, she gave them all this uranium.

She helped to set up their so-called Silicon Valley. Bill Clinton was in bed with the Russians his entire life as well. And it was Bill Clinton, by the way, who forced Ukraine to give up all their nuclear weapons, their 1 ,200 nuclear weapons, back to Russia to set the stage for the current invasion by Putin.

And Hillary Clinton, you know, what was the first job she had out of college? She worked for a law firm in San Francisco. Wasn't a progressive law firm or a liberal law firm. It was a Communist Party law firm when the Communists were deeply, openly allied with Russia at the time, with the Soviet Union at the time.

So, but, OK, what do you do if you're a Democrat and you're constantly tarred with being a puppet of the Russians or the enemy? You try and become the patriotic party. You try and pin all that stuff on the Republicans.

And at the same time, the Russians were deeply infiltrating the Republicans. So it's very easy now to see Russian connections into the Republican Party. And Paul Manafort, for instance, I wouldn't support Trump while Paul Manafort was his campaign manager because Paul Manafort basically worked with the Russians in Ukraine to keep the Russians in power there before the Maidan revolution that kicked them out of power.

So, yes, there were deep connections around Trump. There was Russian influence, but there was also deep Russian influence in the Democratic Party and had been for 50 or 60 years. So it's not it's not quite black and white.

But if I have to say, if one party is more controlled by the Russians, it's the Democrats. And if it's the Chinese, you're talking about the Chinese, it's definitely the Chinese, definitely the Democrats.

Ron Paul, Russian Orthodoxy, and Pro-Russian Christian Politics

So one of the things I think real quickly people would be surprised about is Ron Paul, because he's a libertarian. And you mentioned that that movement had Russian connections, communist connections. Ron Paul would seem to be the opposite of a communist.

Well, he is, but he's not a communist. See, this is the thing, because a lot of these people now think Russia is a Christian country now. So a lot of these people who are anti-communists, they love a good conversion story.

They love a redemption story. So now Russia is saying, well, we're pro-Christianity and we're going to protect you from George Soros and the Muslim hordes and the radical gays. So let's go with Russia now.

They're the saviour of Christianity. Well, it's all basically garbage, you know, like, put it this way, you know, in Russia, four to six percent of people go to church. In Russia, you have to belong to the Orthodox Church to have any form of religious freedom.

If you are a Baptist, if you're a Pentecostal, if you're a Seventh-day Adventist, you cannot proselytize outside your church and you cannot bring your children into your church until they're 18. If you're Orthodox, that's OK.

You can participate, but the Orthodox Church is completely controlled by the KGB. It's an instrument of state power. Kirill, the arch-patriarch, is a known KGB officer that's well-documented, as are many of his bishops.

So you get all these American Christians thinking that, you know, I'm going to move to Russia because, you know, my kids can grow up in a school and learn good Christian values. What was the tragic case of a recent man who went over there, took his wife and three little daughters over there, and they went to Russia because he wanted to get away from the wokeism here.

And he said they offered to put him in the Russian army. And then they said, you can be a mechanic or you can write reports for us. And they put him straight on the front line in Ukraine. He's probably dead now.

Who knows? Who knows? But this kind of scam. OK, here's the thing. Vladimir Putin talks about Christianity quite a lot. He held a convention, convened a convention. You can look this up online. It's still there.

You can see all the videos. It was convened by the World Federation of Democratic Youth in Sochi, Russia in October 2017. He got 30 ,000 kids there from all over the world. They greeted him like a rock star.

And he spoke to them at the end of that conference and said, the future is yours. Go for it. Well, these weren't 30 ,000 young Christian kids. These were 30 ,000 communist kids. The World Federation of Democratic Youth is an old Soviet front which still exists.

They were there to celebrate the 100th anniversary of the Bolshevik revolution. He held another such conference in Moscow in 2023 and another one in 2022. So why would a Christian do this? I haven't seen him convene any large Christian conferences.

And, you know, in the Donetsk now, the Donetsk Republic has Soviet iconography in its state coat of arms. It is, they are ripping down churches, they're putting up, killing pastors, they're putting up statues of Lenin and Marx and Stalin in the occupied territories.

And the Soviet army, the Red Army, the Russian army is now openly flying the red flag. And they are talking in Moscow now about the re-Sovietization of Russia. But you still have American Christians who haven't caught up to this yet, who still think somehow, and Ron Paul falls into this category, but he works with actual communists, actual real communists from the Party of Socialism and Liberation and others.

He has pro-Russian people on his board and promotes Russian propaganda like you wouldn't believe because he thinks Russia is a Christian country.

Tucker Carlson, Qatar, and the Pro-Russian Media Ecosystem

We have to move on. I will say this, though. I have been in some very traditional conservative settings. I won't say who, but I've been in places where there's leaders who are saying very, very positive things about Russia, seemingly out of nowhere.

And it has surprised me in the past because I thought we were here because of America. And I understand wanting to partner with a country that is also seemingly Christian. But there is another level of association and I have seen it with my own two eyes.

You know, I guess I'll ask you this last question. You said social media manipulation. You said there's Russian narratives essentially that are being picked up by people in our country. I'm assuming Tucker Carlson is in that camp in your mind.

Are there spies?

Are there...

Well, look, Tucker Carlson says, I'm rooting for Russia. He says this on his show. He went and interviewed Alexander Dugin, who has openly called for civil war in America and the destruction of Europe and the elimination of the Ukrainian people.

But he's openly calls for civil war in America by exacerbating the differences in America. What we're seeing in America now is applied Duginism. That's why we're seeing an increase in racial tensions and cultural tensions, etc.

This is all from the Russian playbook. Tucker Carlson made him look like Grandpa Walton. Now, some total softball questions. By the way, Grandpa Walton's real name was Will Gere, who was the Communist Party member who recruited Harry Hay, who founded the modern American gay movement, by the way.

But he also interviewed Sergei Lavrov and gave him nothing but softball questions. And then he interviewed Putin himself and gave him nothing but softball questions. You know, now he's taken Qatari money and proselytizing for Qatar, as he did, you know, saying we should be friendly with the Muslims and all this.

This shows that that man has no integrity. He will sell himself to the highest bidder.

I'd like to talk about Israel and Qatar with the time we have left. Depending on which country someone is focused on, it might sound like Russia or China or Qatar or Iran or Israel are just running the tables on us.

They control so much. I mean, you mentioned Cuba earlier. Israel, I think, is getting more attention than any other country. Are you concerned at all about Israeli influence? If not, why not? Why is it all of a sudden a very big issue on the right?

Well, why is it a big issue on the right? Because Israel is the number one stumbling block for the Russian-Iranian conquest of the Middle East and the control of the eastern Mediterranean and the Suez Canal and the energy fields of Saudi Arabia.

That is why Israel has now been demonized on the right. That's all it is. And so there's always been this latent, a little bit of anti-Semitism on the U .S. right. It's been marginalized, but it's always been there.

And this comes through the British Israelite ideology that is very common in the Ron Paul movement. It has come through being exaggerated by the Russian, the protocols of the learned elders of Zion, which was originally a Russian Secret Service forgery, then picked up and promoted by the Soviets in the Middle East and in this country.

And also by QAnon and others, they started to really fan the flames of anti-Semitism in this country. So you would say, I would say that the real fanning of anti-Semitism, anti-Israel feeling in this country is probably about five years old.

It wasn't a big feature before that. But it's 100 percent a Russian operation and you can track it down. It's coming through the Nazi movement, which basically, you know, if you look at people like David Duke, Richard Spencer, the alt-right, those ex-Klanners and Nazis, they are all pro-Russia.

Here's an example, you know, the Charlottesville rally of 2017, when there was carnage on the streets of Charlottesville, you had pro-Russian communists from the Party of Socialism, Liberation and the Communist Party USA battling on the streets with pro-Russian white supremacists, you know, backed by Matt Haumbach, David Duke, Richard Spencer.

So you had the pro-Russian right battling the pro-Russian left on the streets of Charlottesville. And who got the blame for it? Republicans, conservatives and Trump. That was a Russian operation to discredit the US right and stoke divisions in the US right.

You know, David Duke went to Russia to meet Dugan, you know, Richard Spencer was pro-Dugan, Tucker Carlson's pro-Dugan, Nick Fuentes is pro-Dugan, and a whole bunch of people around that have tried to infiltrate the Trump administration are also pro-Dugan.

What about AIPAC? Because I keep hearing AIPAC owns all these congressmen. And you've talked about how China will, in the Muslim Brotherhood, own congressmen in some of your books. Are you concerned at all about AIPAC?

Should AIPAC register with FARA? I know they did a number of other foreign agencies like the Armenian National Committee, the Cuban American Foundation, the Order of Hibernians in Ireland, there's a bunch of these.

But AIPAC is the biggest in our country. Is that a threat?

I wouldn't say AIPAC is the biggest lobby group, foreign lobby group in the country. I'd say the Committee of 100, which is Chinese, would be more powerful. I would say Cubans through the Congressional Black Caucus are more powerful, influence more congressmen.

If you look at, you know, I'm concerned about any foreign entity that is not registered and is not transparent. But Israel is our ally. Israel has provided massive amounts of intelligence to this country and saved us from multiple terrorist attacks and is a stabilizing force in the Middle East.

So, yeah, I'm concerned. But you had incidents like Jonathan Pollard, who gave American secrets, an American Jewish guy who gave American military secrets to the Israelis and got 33 years jail for it.

You know, that was wrong, what he did there. But look, of all the foreign influences in this country, AIPAC is bottom of my list for concern. And the influence is massively exaggerated. They have nowhere near the influence the Chinese do.

Well, put it this way. Why does China get most favored trade status? Why does China get pretty much everything it likes? Why can China give us COVID, stir up Black Lives Matter, wreck our cities and steal our elections with no consequences and still get favored trade deals?

And yet Israel is struggling right now to keep its influence in America. Israel has been told by President Trump, don't go after Hamas, don't finish off the Iranian military. You know, who's got more influence?

China, actual real influence, China or AIPAC? I would say AIPAC would be fifth, sixth. I'd say they're behind the Cubans, probably behind the North Koreans, because the North Koreans have several of our congressmen in their pockets too.

Quite a few of them. There's a move right now to make, run by about 15 Democrats to end, formally end the Korean War. Say, well, that makes sense. It was over 60 years ago, whatever. Well, if you formally end the Korean War, then North Korea can start to trade with the West.

And the pressure comes on to withdraw American troops from South Korea, paving the way for an invasion of South Korea by the North. And there's about 15 congressmen in their pocket. So AIPAC, yeah, I'm concerned about all foreign influence, absolutely.

But on the list of priorities, AIPAC is way, way, way down behind all of the evil acts. Look, there's way more senators and congressmen who work with NIAC, the National Iranian Action Committee, which is the mouthpiece for the mullahs.

There's way more of them than there are people that I think are.

Qatar, the Muslim Brotherhood, and Neutralizing the American Right

Really in the pocket of AIPAC. Let me ask you about Qatar or Qatar. Now I'm hearing you have to pronounce it Qatar. I was looking this up the other day just to figure out what was going on. And with a few brief keystrokes, I was able to find out that Pam Bondi and Lindsey Graham had deep Qatar associations, that they've given more money from a foreign government to our educational system than any other country.

They are the top donors to various social media, Hollywood and conservative media efforts, including being the top foreign donor to X, which I don't know if that's extremely significant, but it is interesting.

How much of an influence do they have, especially on the right?

Yeah, look, this is the key difference. See, I talked about anti-Semitism, right? And people were very worried about Qatar, as they should be. The anti-Semitism on both the left and the right is driven by the Russians.

They're openly anti-Semitic, openly anti-Israel. Qatar's role, and Qatar is the center of the Muslim Brotherhood, and the Muslim Brotherhood was set up with the Egyptian Communist Party and has always been a communist operation, right?

Just like CAIR, the Council on American Islamic Relations here in America, works extensively with the communists. The head of CAIR was a communist before he became an Islamist. That's Nihar Awad. But Qatar's role is to neutralize the American right against Islam, to snow job, we've got to work with the Muslims, we've got to accept Islam, they're conservatives like us.

So their job isn't to spread hatred against Israel. Their job is to neutralize the American right against Islam, which is why many of our formerly former conservatives who would have pointed out Islamic connections to things are now much softer on Islam.

And that's why Tucker Carlson, who wants to get a house in Qatar and takes money from Qatar, goes to Turning Point USA and say, no, we should reach out to Muslims. It's bad to be anti-Islamic, you know.

So that's their role. This is a division of labor. Qatar's role is to neutralize the American right and their opposition to Islam, neutralize Robert Spencer's, to neutralize the Pam Geller's, to neutralize Rare Foundation, any organization that very rightly stands against the Islamization of America and the deep penetration of our system by the Muslim Brotherhood and CAIR and ISNA and ICDR and these things.

That's their role. Their role isn't to spread blatant anti-Semitism. That would confuse things. The Russians do the anti-Semitism, anti-Israel stuff. They are doing a snow job for Islam,.

Basically. I don't want to oversimplify this, so you can tell me if I get any of this wrong, but I do want to make it understandable. It seems to me that during the Cold War era, the United States was looking for an ally in the Middle Eastern region.

And a lot of this has to do with the fact that the British were pulling out of all these countries, these oil nations. And the United States did fill the void on much of this. For example, in Iran, you know this, but we became more involved with them as the British pulled out.

Even the largest naval battle after World War II was fought between us and the Iranian Navy and was over oil. And Israel, because of the fact that they are more Western friendly, they are a democracy, they do have liberal values for the most part.

And they do need someone to help them survive against these powerful enemies. It became a connection. And there was a moral, I think, connection there too with feeling sympathy because of the Holocaust, because of a large Christian population that valued the biblical stories and traveled there.

So this forms. And now that we are 50, 60, 70 years into, you know, after this arrangement, some of the same dynamics are still at play. But it sounds to me like what you're saying is the Russians still have their eye on controlling that region.

Israel is still an inhibitor. Qatar has a separate interest, and so do the United Arab Emirates and the Arabians. They don't like Iran, but they also want control. And so this Middle Eastern region, which has so much oil, it sounds to me like a lot of it, maybe the Chinese not being part of this, but these other forces are focused on that.

This is geopolitical, you know,.

But that is a very strategic region. Okay, it's very oil rich, the Suez Canal, the gateway to the Russians want a warm water port in the Mediterranean, all of that plays in. See, when Israel was founded, the Russians were heavily involved.

The Soviets wanted to make Israel the socialist bastion of that area. And the Soviets did a big amount of the work in pushing the British and the French out of the Middle East. They backed all these, they backed these Jewish terrorist groups, they did this.