Pillar 7, God Centered Worship, Hebrews 12:28-29, Colossians 3:16

Hebrews 12:28-29 and the Meaning of an Unshakable Kingdom

Hebrews chapter 12 verses 28 and 29. Therefore let us be grateful for receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken and Thus let us offer to God acceptable worship with reverence and awe. For our God is a consuming fire.

May the Lord add his blessings to the reading of his Holy Word. Well, I arrived in Pasadena, California from Alabama in mid-september of 1987 to start seminary on the morning of October 1st. So just about two or three weeks after I've arrived there.

I was lying on my bed reading You know studying for classes when I began to notice that. Everything this house I was in Was beginning to vibrate. I immediately thought well. There must be something like big truck driving by.

But the shaking just got worse and worse more than a truck could cause. I couldn't figure out what was causing this. What is this house shaking. Because at all my experience up until that point at the ripe old age of 22.

There's just one thing you can be sure of one thing that has never changed in all my life the ground doesn't move. Then as the shaking continued I realized wait, I forgot where I was. I'm not in Alabama anymore.

This is Southern, California. Where there are earthquakes and I realized I was experiencing something that before. Before this I had only heard of that was only a theory. I Was in an earthquake then I ran outside the house.

I was in at which it later I learned was the wrong thing to do don't do that in an earthquake. You know, I watched I remember watching the electrical cables between the poles. Swaying back and forth like a jump rope between two children.

It was a mind-altering experience for me. The one thing that I had just assumed up until then could not be shaken very ground itself was shaken. Sure, I I knew about earthquakes, you know theoretically, but until then experience had taught me deceptively.

That the ground doesn't move that it's stable. It's dependable. What do you think can't be shaken. People are looking for something something that's stable something of the solid it's unshakable. So they can found their life on that in Modern American culture that has been sold as well.

We now just call it the relationship. You know the word relationship used to mean all kinds of relationships now it when you say the relationship. Everyone knows what you mean that one particular usually the whatever got the love of your life the partner the spouse.

You know romance that's the thing that you seek to found your life on. We're just two days after Valentine's Day. Which in my opinion is an entirely unnecessary holiday since most couples already celebrate their anniversary.

But we feel in this culture that what we now call the relationship. So it's so important that it deserves even another holiday to celebrate it. Even if it makes single people feel even lonelier than ever but who cares about them, right?

Our culture doesn't. There are even there's novels. There's there's whole genres of novels, you know, the romance. There's songs like from the 70s you light up my life there's movies all. Unquestionably holding up the vision that the love of my life is what life is all about.

But like sitting on a on a balsam wood chair if they make such a things maybe a cardboard chair be a better example. We put so much weight on that relationship. That we've crushed it. So now the culture this culture is made so much out of the romantic Marital relationship and probably more than any other culture in the history of the world.

Also probably has the highest rate of divorce in the history of the world. You know, we're so known. This culture so known for being unfaithful to our marital commitment. This the Prime Minister of Singapore once warned Singaporean women to be careful about white men.

Because they will divorce you quickly. Fortunately one Singaporean girl didn't listen to the Prime Minister. But that was the warning. It is as if and I don't I can't say this is a prophet proclaiming God's decree.

But is it is as if God saw the idol that we were making out of romance and decreed. That he would unleash a plague of broken relationships on us. It is after all on all under his control so now the relationship we call it is shaken judgment for making an idol.

Worshipping with our lives as an idol out of something that was supposed to help us worship him. For traditional Chinese culture the idol often often literally is the family. Familyism is though is the real religion of the Chinese much more so than Buddhism or our Taoism or Confucianism.

They'll they'll throw those things overboard easily. Not the family. The family is the the one-lasting Unshakable institution they think the Chinese aren't the only ones who've done this thing making an idol out of the family.

They've they've just been the most consistent at it. They've just taken it to a whole new level. They've developed it, but there are other cultures that have done that in the movie Godfather 2. Michael the Godfather senses a problem in his marriage.

And so he he asked his mother for advice. It's a good Family member and he's asking how to handle his responsibilities as the Godfather without Shaking his his family. Now at first his mother doesn't even understand what he's asking.

She can't conceive that the family could be shaken. And so Michael has to clarify, you know says no I meant how do I not lose my family? His mother is puzzled speaking in Italian insist. But you can never lose your family.

The Chinese would agree with that. Not even death can separate you from your family. We serve our family now. We even still serve our dead ancestors. We're still connected with them. We send them money and food or even paper houses and cars and cell phones.

Because we're still part of that family death can't separate you from it. China. China resisted the gospel because some said Christianity was quote an ancestor denying religion and the judgment for that seems to have been a Communist government that disrupted families during the so-called Cultural Revolution from 1966 to 1976.

The Chinese Communist Party taught a total dedication To it and a rejection of the family. Children were encouraged to inform on their parents and their parents will be executed on the basis of the testimony of their own children.

It taught people to betray the family. One song the the Red Guards taught their children. Thought the children with something like this mother is close and father is close. But they won't be as close as Chairman Mao.

Sorry, I can't sing it in Mandarin. It probably sounds much better in Mandarin, I guess. Family affection was officially considered by the Chinese Communist Party one of the old habits that was to be replaced then soon after the end of the Cultural Revolution then in by 1979 China instituted a one-child policy that limited the family and so encouraged sex selective abortions which resulted in now the entirely foreseeable result was that now as many 30 million young men who Statistically will not be able to have families of their own because there simply are not enough women to start families with the family.

Has been shaken. Now many people think that the thing that can't be shaken is money, you know, if you have if you have enough of that. Your life will never be too troubled. You can buy your way out of any problem.

You have enough cash you could just you know. Pay for Whatever you need you can have the best medical care. So you'll last you'll live as long as physically possible if you have enough money. Some around us right now are working hard to get rich.

Some people we know to get comfortable at least and maybe they think that when they have enough what they think is enough enough to establish their life on so that they won't be shaken. Into bankruptcy if you know some Disease sickness strikes their family if that they're laid off on their job or their business goes bankrupt if they'll have enough to rely on things go really bad that they'll be on the phrase is a Solid financial footing the term used by investment counselors.

It's something solid you have enough money. Then you have something solid to rest on is the assumption for your retirement for your old age and but some think well Okay, I'm gonna get my solid financial footing and then maybe I'll come back to church.

I'll have the free time to work less and serve God more once I Have a solid financial footing then I'll be stable. Of course being rich. Didn't save Kobe Bryant who had a net worth of five hundred million dollars.

But half a billion and died tragically with his daughter at the age of 41 just a couple weeks ago. Or Chris Klein. It was a billionaire who died at age 61 also in a helicopter crash. Or Steve Jobs founder of Apple who died of cancer at 56 or Ivan Sam Wonga a Ugandan socialite worth eight point eight million dollars in Uganda no less in South Africa, which there you know.

It's a lot of money here. It's an enormous amount of money there. Who died when of a heart attack at the age of 39 and when he died at his funeral instead of his friends that people? Assembled at the funeral throwing in you know, like sometimes they do throwing in handfuls of dirt into the grave over the casket.

They threw in handfuls of cash. That in a place as poor as Uganda, but money makes a poor substitute for earth. It's shaky ground. What we think of as unshakable is dependable as solid is what will base our life on and We'll show that by living for it above all.

That is the thing we live for and it shows in the all of our life. And it shows what we give worth to but we give our time our attention to and that is the D definition of worship worship or worth. Ship is giving worth to something with your life.

The the priorities that your life demonstrates. But by the time by the interest the energy the money that you're willing to pour into something here in Hebrews 12 We see worship. We see giving worth here.

We see three principles of worship first. It is to be grateful. Second is to be acceptable and third it is to be reverential. First is to be grateful, which means it is to be joyous is to be Celebratory it's to be glad that we receive something that we realize that we did not earn.

You know the notice the writer here says in verse in verse 28 that we have received something. In verse there in that verse 28. We you achieve accomplishments you receive gifts and that gift here is A kingdom the good the good news of the rule of God that has come in our lives.

We haven't had to work for it we haven't had to fight for it. We didn't have to have a revolution to bring it about it's the cost of our lives. It was granted to us by grace because it is God's kingdom and it was donated to us by God.

It cannot be shaken. It doesn't depend on our will or our or effort. It won't lose us and he won't let us lose him and that fact he says is worth being grateful for. You know in that earthquake in Los Angeles everything around me was Shaking there was no place to go to get away from it.

Not like a tornado. You can go in the basement to get away from it, you know Hurricane you can go to higher ground earthquake. You just better hope the house doesn't collapse on you. If there was a stable place to go a place with no shaking I would have run there as fast as I could but there wasn't.

Everything was quaking and and that's the way this world that this life all the things that we are so sure are are stable are solid are Permanent. Every relationship every nation every government every religion everything that has been made can and will be shaken.

But we have received. There's a gift a kingdom. That cannot be shaken for that. We should be grateful and here the writer says that through that gratitude. Through that got that happy reception of a good Solid unshakable things that we don't deserve that.

We did not earn. We just received it through that we can then offer to God. Worship we could give him worth because gratitude leads to worship then worship is not an act of Self-denial or affliction that we subject ourselves to in order to impress God how much we're willing to sacrifice.

That's the way some people see church attendance. Some don't come to church because worship really is important to them. Sleeping late is more important. They give worth to that watching something on TV is more important.

But God is not because they don't they haven't received a kingdom. Some come because they have exactly the wrong idea of worship. But they do come. But they think it's their weekly duty. It's their chore that they must endure if to sit through that long sermon again that long-winded guy so boring.

If that's how you look at coming together with the church to worship. He's for you adults now children. You got to make him do things. They don't want to do but if you adults You would be better off nuts.

Not coming they're off to stay in at home instead of fooling yourself that you're impressing God by coming to something. You're not really giving worth to God. You're just trying to earn something from him.

If the singing and the sermon and the Lord's Supper is just just so dreary. Then don't come. Of course, you would be much better off if you changed what you think is giving worth to that the rule of God over your life that the singing and Praise to him the hearing the Word of God with his people that that maybe you once regarded is so much drudgery.

That now it is one of the most important things to you the highlight of the week and and when we don't sing your favorite songs and The preacher is a little flat as he sometimes is believe it or not. But just the sheer sheer fact that you assembled with other of God's people and you were reminded That God brought you into his kingdom.

It's it is unshakable. He brought you to it by grace. You didn't have to earn your way in that makes you grateful and With that gratitude you praise God. Some people won't cross the street to go to any church.

Some will cross a dangerous ocean to be able to go to a biblical church. The Puritans coming from England came in to America and founded New England. Many of them came first to to the Netherlands and then came to America for just that.

Almost every Christian will will say they that worship is important to them. But if you have proven it as boldly as did the Puritans who came here to America to plant what they called a city upon A hill this will do a few of them and consider the evidence from their lives.

One pastor named John Allen who was the earliest pastor of the church and dead in Massachusetts insisted that Quote only the hope of enjoying Christ in his ordinances Was enough for them to forsake dearest relations parents brethren sisters Christian friends and acquaintances overlooked the dangers and difficulties of the vast seas.

The thought whereof was a terror to many and Go into a wilderness where we could forecast nothing but care all those worries and temptation. In other words He is saying it was worth coming to America.

Even when the only thing that they could be sure of that they would encounter Were problems or dangers were shortages. It was worth it just so they could worship God Biblically they gave worth to God by forsaking dearest relations you know even their own very their family members facing the terror of the ocean and The UN and the end of the wilderness just so that they could be in a biblical church.

Another leader of the second generation of the Puritans in New England Samuel Wigglesworth said quote a pure and undefiled religion. A pure and undefiled religion Was the great thing our ancestors had in their view when they cast their eye Towards this wilderness for a habitation.

Another leader at the same time increased matter wrote quote it was in respect to some worldly accommodation that other Plantations means colonies were erected. Others other colonies were made for worldly things like colonies like Virginia or North Carolina.

But religion and not the world was that which our fathers came hither for pure worship and ordinances without the mixture of human inventions was that which the first fathers of this colony Designed in their coming hither.

We are the children of the good old nonconformist he says. Their worship was important to them. It was worthy. They proved by braving dangerous oceans on rickety sailboats. Because we now know that we've been given a kingdom that can't be shaken.

We worship we give work to God to his word to his people it's the natural reaction even if we have to cross a dangerous ocean since we've received this kingdom and since it is unmovable. Let us offer to God worship acceptable worship, he says.

The worship must be acceptable and he means acceptable to God. Means that God is the one who approves of what we do in worship. And this is this is the heart of what we mean by God centered Worship when in traditional reform theology we called the regulative principle of worship what determines how we worship.

Well here did it acceptable to God that it's done God's way. There are so many people even church people who when you ask him here, what are we supposed to do in worship? What what determines what songs we sing what scriptures we read out what we do.

Many will answer well today. Well, whatever quote opens a heart to God whatever makes me feel spiritual and what they mean is whatever course gives us a sense of joy and a fulfillment and so the principle they think.

That regulates worship for them that determines what the church does is themselves their feelings their their sense of what makes them Feel religious what works maybe or maybe they're a little more other centered and they think well.

What we need to do is attract other people bring them in so we feel big and successful. What's the principle that determines what we do in worship? They think well the customer. It's like any other business, right?

The customer is always right and they assume even in the church that they are the customer but in the second commandment. You shall have no graven images that you have the Lord insists that worship be done his way it didn't matter if the image Wasn't of another God, you know that if it was an image to bail or something if it was supposed to be it didn't matter if the image was supposed to Be a symbolic representation of the Lord.

It didn't matter that in their culture. You know, everyone use images in worship. Just take it for granted that you if you had some God you had an image of it. It didn't matter if it made them feel religious.

What mattered is what God said it was God who regulated worship. He's the one who makes it acceptable and we see this brilliantly illustrated in Leviticus chapter 10 verses 1 to 3. There the sons of Aaron thought that they could worship God in you any way they wanted what they thought best.

What's maybe what they thought was disconvenient. They didn't abide by the law. They didn't follow the instructions The Lord had given they didn't do things God's way. So it wasn't an acceptable worship.

They were supposed to put Offer incense before the Lord you have incense. You got to have it burning. You got to get a fire To burn the incense and you think well, what's the big deal? I'll get fire from anywhere, but the law specifically said you got to get fire from the altar and they didn't do that.

The principle for them was convenience what they thought was common sense. There's probably you know, get out there lighter and like the thing or whatever they did. They got fire from the closest place.

They took fire from wherever they could get it and they tried to use that in their incense and they immediately learned. That last verse here in Hebrews 12 that our God is a consuming fire fire came out from God and Consumed Aaron's sons and the Lord spoke to Aaron through Moses.

No no words of condolence among those who approach me. You're going to come to God in worship. You're coming to him among those who approach me. I Will show myself as holy in the sight of all the people.

I Will be honored. They thought they could take any fire. They wanted to burn the incense oil that they could worship God their way. They ignored what God's Word said about whether fire was to come from and so they got fired so to speak.

When it comes to worship we often quote the Lord Jesus from John chapter 4 verse 24 where he tells the Samaritan woman that those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth. We often talk about you know, what does spirit mean?

What does truth mean? We sometimes overlook another key word there in that passage must. The Lord Jesus said that the kinds of worshipers the father's is seeking must Worship in spirit and truth not just any way they think is right.

But we must do it God's way we let God Regulate worship. If we don't have that attitude would we come to him? Among those who approach me God says I will show myself. Holy if we don't have that whole attitude our worship isn't acceptable.

Reverence, Awe, and the Fear of God

Third worship is reverential. With reverence and awe he puts it here. I believe these two terms reverence and awe or maybe they're not quite synonyms. But they're two sides of the same coin. Reverence is a holy fear, you know what those sons of Aaron lacked.

They didn't fear God notice the last verse begins with for or because the verse 29 for because. Reverence and holy reverence and awe because our God is a consuming fire the Greek could literally read for indeed.

Emphasizing that this statement is the basis. This is the reason. For worshiping with reverence and awe, why do we worship God with reverence which is a holy fear with fear trembling with awe for indeed.

Because our God is a consuming fire. It's like saying, you know, be careful with that wire because. For indeed it is high voltage. It's a live wire. You could get electrocuted be careful. There is danger in approaching God.

We sometimes become so used to speaking of the things of God reading his word handling his ordinances such as the Lord's Supper. Coming to worship. We think we've done it all our lives. It's just routine.

We know that we go through the motions and so we lose all fear of it. The Corinthians had apparently done that with the Lord's Supper. They took it just any way they pleased each whenever they got around to it with with no thought of anyone else.

The wealthy who could come anytime they wanted they arrived early took as much as they wanted some took so much to the wine. They got drunk off of it and they would wait for the poor slave who had to wait.

You know couldn't couldn't arrive till late because till he got off work. Maybe they wouldn't even leave any for him. They didn't think about the body. And so Paul says that that was the reason that some of them were sick and somebody even died.

This is why we prepare ourselves With with our church covenant and serious prayer before taking the Lord's Supper that we not take it thoughtlessly without Reverence that will recognize there were dealing with a dangerous God.

All the term all I'll be all more positive reverence is holy fear. Oz a more Wow, it's more focused on the feelings Oz in overwhelming feeling of wonder at Facing something or someone who's so much greater Than you so much greater than you become aware that you even you lack the capacity to fully understand.

How much greater and so you're humbled? By what gives you all? Like the sense you get maybe looking into a star-filled sky night sky and you get a Wonder of how big God must be that no matter how many billions of light-years away.

These stars are God created them people will travel hundreds or thousands of miles just a Stare into the Grand Canyon and be like be swallowed up in its enormity to have that feeling of awe. One of the goals we should strive for in our church is a sense of of all About God, so I'd be so in love with our theology.

With what we've learned that we we think we've we've pretty much figured out God by now, right? I mean we know all about predestination and all our theology. We have it fine-tuned. And we we think it we have them down pat.

It's come with an indescribable sense that this God we worship Is beyond our understanding and this is what Hebrews is calling for us here to worship with all. How do you give worth to God worship if you're grateful acceptable and in trembling in reverence and all so those are the three principles of worship now for exactly how.

The Word of Christ, Teaching, Singing, and Thanksgiving in Worship

More practically how we do that if you turn to Colossians chapter 3 verse 16. Have another slide to Colossians chapter 3 verse 16. We don't usually go to different passages, but verse 16 He says let the Word of Christ dwell in you richly.

Teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs with thankfulness in your hearts to God. This verse consists of just one sentence, but with four parts and let's take it part by part four parts dwelling teaching singing and thanking first part one.

We are to he says let. Like it means allow the Word of Christ to dwell in us richly. We let means we open ourselves up to him. We are allowing the word to be active in our life. We're making a decision that God's Word Can have its way in our life.

We will change our thoughts and our feelings According to what it says and it is the Word of Christ. Whether it's about Christ even from the Old Testament or about what Christ has done. It's the gospel let the gospel live in you.

Richly, let it be like a let it be like a spoiled child. It always gets its way let it be like a Plant planted in very fertile ground. It just thrives and produces fruit. Let the gospel consume your attention and interest.

That the word is to dwell means it's to live it's alive. It's not just facts you memorized things. You're making yourself think about it is alive and producing life in you and live in us in a particular way.

Richly is to flourish in our minds in our hearts. That's why we strive here for its scripture. Saturated services, so we so we read a psalm we sing a song we pray that based on the Psalms. The Psalms are inspired by God for the purpose of being reflected back to God in worship.

And so it makes sense that we use them in worship. We hope our other songs are also scripturally based. We read our passage. I set it apart from my words, you know we say here the Word of the Lord made the Lord add his blessings to his to his word because His words are higher than my words.

The sermon should be Expository means taking the main point from the passage and frequently drawing our attention back to the open Bible in front of us. Worship is about getting us to encounter and absorb The Word of God so that it's living richly in us.

Church again, it's not it's not a building. It's whenever God's people gathered around the Word of God. We can gather around the word and so have church we could do that in a home in a park. School in a gym.

That's where we are in a gym. And if the Word of God is central then we've had church or we can gather in a church building. But in reality be gathering around other things the relationship the family money.

Maybe around a concert or a show or personality or whatever. What makes it a Christian Church is if we gather around the Word of Christ if we're giving worth to God. We'll cross the street. Maybe cross the county cross state lines even cross an angry ocean to get to worship.

Then the second part Colossians chapter 3 verse 16 is teaching. We are to teach and admonish one another in all wisdom. Gnosis is not just addressed to the to the preacher what preacher to the pastor to one another all of us address one another.

So it's to you so you two should look for opportunities to teach and admonish one another maybe before and after the service make big contacts and See each other during the week email or call or message or Facebook.

Teach it admonish one another or share something wouldn't new with someone during the week. We worship by giving God worth. In talking about him to others. Then the third part Singing singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs.

In a modern evangelical worship has lost a lot by not singing the Psalms. We sing here we sing through them all but it doesn't say here. The passage doesn't say you only sing psalms hymns and spiritual songs are not just work.

In other words for Psalms, we know from 1st Corinthians chapter 14 where Paul says that some were singing in the spirit. What exactly that is is not the point but that they were singing in the spirit that they weren't only singing Psalms here.

We're also to let the Word of Christ dwell in us richly through through hymns. So songs of human composition like What's called the Carmen Christi the song of Christ in Philippians chapter 2 or? Spiritual songs.

Joyful. Hopeful people sing. Singing has always been a part of Christian worship because worshiping Christians are joyous. People even if we're not always happy. I've seen worship and other religions seen it in Buddhism and Taoism and things like that.

They hardly ever sing. Maybe sometimes the priest don't chant something but they don't sing. Christians sing. Because we're joyful and hopeful. Sometimes happy but sometimes not always happy. Some psalms also teach us how to be maturely.

Unhappy you need to learn sometimes how to be Unhappy. We have laments for that. We have a limit laments because sometimes we need to know how to be unhappy. But whether we're singing happily or lamenting we give worth.

To God we should not have the attitude that singing is just a warm-up act for the preaching. Isn't it's it's what the people do some of that. We should have the attitude that is just what people do. You know fill up a little time.

Get in the right attitude set the mood and the real Substance of a church meeting the real worship is the preaching. No, that's that's really not biblical either. Paul plainly here put singing is not something other than worship.

Not even something separate from letting the Word of Christ dwell on us ritually we do that through singing. It's a way of doing that our our singing is one technique one means that we use to let the Word of Christ dwell live thrive in us ritually.

Hey God said or worship. The main goal of our music, you know, it's not just a walk down memory lane. Oh, that's my favorite song from way back. Or sing the newest most upbeat song. You wouldn't believe what I heard on k-love this week or to entertain ourselves or or Entertain people from outside to draw them in it is to get us to have the Word of Christ dwell in us Ritually so that we worship the Lord member from Hebrews acceptably with reverence and all.

So this whole debate maybe someone still having I hope not but some still have between should we just sing old hymns? It's got to be at least a hundred years old before we sing it or Just sing contemporary music because it's more like our style.

It's more we're more familiar with it. That whole debate is just nonsense to the Christian to whom worship is important, you know when the purpose is When it's seen as letting the Word of Christ dwell in us richly to to worship acceptably with reverence at all then Who cares about the how old the song is?

Then what we go in we may go in search of we go in search of whatever music or songs. Do that for us, whatever music lets the Word of Christ dwell in us ritually whether it's new or old that doesn't matter.

The principle then is what music and what songs help us to remember to sing to dwell on the Word of Christ. Worship should be important enough to us that we will sing through all the Psalms we will learn some 500 year old hymn or Will change to an entirely new contemporary style if it will help us all as the church worship give worth to the Lord.

Then the fourth part is thanking even here in Colossians 316 which takes us back. You remember to Hebrews chapter 12 verse 28 with thankfulness in your hearts to God. Yes, we're dealing with a dangerous God a consuming fire a God who strikes people dead for just offering any kind of sacrifice any fire.

They want on the altar for taking the Lord's Supper in any way they please but we we can be thankful to him. For grace, we can be thankful that we who so easily overlook the truly important things. The God who is a consuming fire.

We can be thankful that even though we become so attached to all the things of the world this life and the things that will be shaken. That we who so easily become attached to all the temporary things and forget about the permanent things yet still He who cannot be shaken.

He who is permanent takes hold of us. We are set on A foundation That will never experience an earthquake. The beginning and the end of worship is The thankful attitude of our hearts that we have not gotten the bad things that we deserve.

But we've been given the good things. We don't deserve. So when we accept the gospel, then we cannot help. But be grateful because we have seen in it that the death which was the wages of our sin was born by Christ and the life That we lost by our sins Has now been given to us by grace.

Why Worship Matters More Than Shallow Religion or Cultural Idols

How much worth? Do you give to worship? I Went about two years ago. I wrote an article about answering Eastern Orthodox Apologists, I learned that the kinds of people who are most drawn to convert to Eastern Orthodox the Eastern Orthodox Church are Often theologically educated evangelicals people with often master's degree in theology people who take their faith very seriously who think it's worth something and they look at the Modern evangelical church and they see how often how shallow how flippant how Unreverential it is how little all that there is how little worth Is put on God?

The worth now in many places is all on how God can. Help our relationship help us raise our kids help our family help us get rich. God is so often used to serve Whatever shakable thing that our culture idolizes and so these people theologically educated often Evangelicals they look to the Eastern Orthodox Church to you know smells and bells and think well because of their ancient rituals.

That they think well this has stood the test of time and so is unshakable and they buy the line that this is The early church. We'll take it from me Church historian it is it and It has been shaken to that Eastern Orthodox Church has been shaken like marriage and has in this country or the family in China.

It's been shaken by Islam and communism. Almost every country that was Eastern Orthodox has fallen to either Islam or the atheism the official atheism of communism. There is no substitute. You won't find it in Having proper fine-tuned theology like many before people think you won't find it in right structures.