November 2, 2023 Show with Andrew Rappaport on “A Dispensationalist Calvinist’s Assessment of the Current Crisis in Israel”

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I'm thrilled to have back on the program an old friend and a returning guest. His name should not be unfamiliar to most of my listeners. His name is Andrew Rappaport, and he is the founder of Striving for Eternity Ministries.

He is obviously also a very highly sought-after conference speaker, since I see him in social media being invited to speak at many conferences all over the United States, and it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Andrew Rappaport.

I could be mistaken. I think you just called me old.

Just very observant. It is important to be back on your program again, Chris. And we are going to be addressing the current crisis in Israel. Many of you may have heard my interview yesterday that had to be conducted in a pre-recorded fashion, because I was interviewing Baruch Maoz, and Baruch Maoz was live in Israel when I was recording that interview.

Well, not live to our audience, but he was in Israel when we did the pre-recorded show, because the time difference is so great. And I also want to extend my apologies to our listeners, because we did have technical difficulties during that interview, where the sound was very choppy, and I do not know why that occurred.

It could have been due to the fact that Baruch is very close to a war zone in Israel, and there were actually rockets and jets flying over his roof while we were doing the interview, and there were actually explosions that you could hear.

They were somewhat muffled. They weren't very close, but they were close enough to be heard from the windows of where Baruch was conducting the interview. But Baruch Maoz, for anybody who is not familiar with him, he is a world-renowned Reformed Baptist scholar, theologian, historian, and conference speaker, and author, and translator.

He translates not only classic Christian works from their original languages into modern, readable Hebrew, but he also has written new books that he has also translated into modern, readable Hebrew, and has translated the very first Old Testament into modern, readable Hebrew.

But fascinating, brother. I hope that you listen to that and put up with the sound problems. But today, I have someone on the program. I don't know how much different his approach is or his reflections will be to the current crisis in Israel, since, unlike Baruch, my guest today, Andrew Rappaport, is a dispensationalist, although a believer in the doctrines of sovereign grace, like some dispensationalists are, like my beloved hero of our modern day, Dr. John MacArthur and others.

But so, tell us, first of all, why don't you tell our listeners about striving for eternity.

Ministries? Sure, and I think the thing I like most about yesterday's interview is when he said that you pronounced his name correctly and that his pastor didn't. That's right. That was great. Striving for Eternity Ministries is a discipleship-based ministry, so unlike most parachurch ministries, where they're singly focused on whether it be evangelism or apologetics or family or whatever, homeschooling, we are looking to come alongside churches and help them.

And so one of the ways we do that is to come to their churches, and the difference with Striving for Eternity is we go to any church, any size, we target the smaller churches because those are the ones that have the greatest need, and those are the ones that the parachurch ministries usually won't go to because there's no money.

We don't have a speaking fee. And so we'll go do a weekend seminar, whether it be in evangelism, apologetics, how to interpret the Bible, social justice, the family, but we train people up. What it is is giving churches that conference-like experience.

I know, Chris, you go to many conferences that, you know, feeling when everyone's around believers that are just being encouraged in the Word, it just spurs people on, but smaller churches don't get to have that feeling.

And so that's one of the things we do for smaller churches. We also have an online academy, we have some books, and we have podcasts. I have a couple podcasts, the Wrap Report, Andrew Rapport's Wrap Report, that's the play on my last name, and then Apologetics Live, which is a live show every Thursday night.

You just go to ApologeticsLive .com, you can check that out. These are many of the ways that we try to disciple folks and to hopefully encourage people in their faith. So all available at.

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Well, Andrew, first of all, tell me what was going through your head as a Jewish believer in Jesus who perhaps has a more intense feeling of kinship with the citizens of Israel during this time where we hear daily reports of satanic, barbaric, unspeakable terrorist war crimes being conducted against men, women, and children and infants in Israel.

And tell us about, I mean, obviously there's been hostilities going on farther, longer ago than we can even remember, but there were recent hostilities that seemed to reach new depths of depravity in the part of Hamas and, of course, we always have to remember to distinguish between Hamas and those average men, women, and children who are Palestinian.

But tell us about the initial thoughts that were going through your head during this latest episode when it began to appear on the news all day long. Yeah, I happened to be at that time down taking care of.

My father. I was with him and woke up that morning to get to see the news. He and I and my bride basically spent the entire day. He's being liberal now after what, 30 years of watching CNN. He's now thoroughly liberal.

But he was not when you were growing up? Oh no, no, absolutely not. Really? Yeah, yeah. That's what watching liberal media every night will do to you. You stop thinking and.

You start believing the nonsense. You wonder why people would start and continue to believe the nonsense when they are habitually and dramatically wrong on so many things that they claimed were true that would be happening and so on.

They're wrong over and over and over again and rarely do they obviously admit it and apologize and what have you. But it's amazing why anybody would believe them over and over and over again. Just like even in evangelicalism, the false prophets that are prolific and all around us in the media.

Why people still follow them when their prophecies turn out to be false over and over and over again. Well, it's the same reason. They want to.

Believe these people are not lying to them. They want to believe it. And because of that, what ends up happening is they listen to the excuses made and they go, oh, okay, that sounds reasonable. But it was interesting to watch CNN with him.

You know, he suddenly, and this is the thing that I believe many of the left don't quite understand, is even though you might be a practicing atheist now, as my father, he wouldn't believe God even exists anymore.

He would be liberal. But when this attack happened, he totally is flipping because he's realizing there was peace under Trump. Things were changing. Oh, so he is flipping, okay. Well, at least on this issue.

And this is, I mean, a lot of the universities realize all of a sudden some of their funding that came from Jewish people are drying up. Because Israel is a very important thing to the Jewish people. And to have the State of Israel and to know what folks there have been fighting for, many Jewish people have, even though they may not practice Judaism, believe in Judaism anymore, there's still something special they hold to with Israel.

And unfortunately, there's a lot of myths that have been propagated, even within Christianity. I've been so surprised by the number of people who have lashed out at me for my support of Israel. I have been told that I'm not saved.

I've been told that I'm supporting.

Terrorists. I've been told that I'm evil. You've been told that you're not saved in the Christian community? Correct. By who? A guy on Facebook, when I posted my,.

I changed my profile picture to be the Israeli flag. And he told me supporting a terrorist group like Israel means I'm not saved. And you're sure this person was an evangelical? Well, I can't be sure.

I don't know him personally.

I guess if he or she used the term saved, I guess they would likely be.

You'd think they'd use the language. But, you know, even when I was on Matt Slick's radio show, he had a guy that called in and just very angry that I would talk about the fact that Hamas put out pictures of, you know, babies that they beheaded.

It's like, oh, that's been debunked. Actually, no, it hasn't been debunked. It was provided from, you know, Hamas. They were proud of it at the time. But then when it didn't work out for the media wise, we'll change it.

But, you know, there's a lot of myths that people have. For example, you know, before 1948, who owned the land that we call Israel today? It wasn't some country known as Palestine, right? It was the United Kingdom.

The United Kingdom had owned that. And they started talking about creating a state for Israel in like 1914, 1950, around there. And the discussion was there were many Jews that lived in the land that we call Israel.

The land actually, it had been referred to as Palestine. And by the way, any Jewish person that lived in that area prior to 1948 was called a Palestinian. Yes. Yes. And so when they say all the Palestinians, yet there's Arab Palestinians, there was Jewish Palestinians, there was Christian Palestinians.

And the current concept.

And identification of Palestinian is really a modern invention. It's the ethnicity known as Palestinian is always now referring to an Arab living in Palestine. But the concept of this being a Palestinian ethnicity is a modern concept.

Yeah, there is no Palestinian culture, right?

Language, state, country, they were. So what you have is you have Arabs that lived in the region that we now call Jordan, that in the early 1914, 15s, as the UK started talking about the creation of a state of Israel, all of a sudden many Arabs started to move into that area and to basically balance out so there'd be more Arabs than Jewish people.

And this is what was going on for decades. And then, you know, things softened. They eventually, Jordan that we'll refer previously was referred to as Transjordan became the country of Jordan. The UK set that up.

Then you have after that, there still wasn't a state of Israel. Israel is founded in 1948. Now, when we talk about a lot of the rhetoric we hear today, so much of it that Israel's oppressors, they are, you know, occupiers.

Apartheid nation. Correct. All the language to get the left riled up. But the facts are there was no state of Palestine before 1948. All Jewish people that lived there were Palestinian. So they weren't some separate group of Arab Muslims, as people think.

The other thing is that the land was given from the UK, not that Israel, the Jewish people took it over. There was a war, a six day war. Israel won. Israel's the only country in the world that wins a war and then gives back land.

Right. So as we look at this, people want to say like Israel is somehow doing something wrong. Well, Israel in the different peace treaties, what they ended up doing was to give part of the West Bank and then part of Gaza.

So they have control. Hamas has control of Gaza in 19, sorry, in 2007. Israel left Gaza. They had their own elections. They elected whether you want to say it was fair or not, you know, whatever. But Hamas was elected to run Gaza.

Israel does not have any control over what happens in Gaza. And the leaders, the Hamas leaders don't live in Gaza. They live in Qatar. So they don't have to live under the situation they create. Israel provides water and electric to Gaza.

And Gaza is supposed to be paying them back, but has never done that. So here you have a country and people are upset because Israel is cutting off the water supply and the electric. And there's a war.

What country says, oh, we're going to provide the people we're at war with. We're going to provide them with electric and make sure they have water, food, things like that. That doesn't happen in war.

So Hamas brought this upon themselves. And we do want to get into why this, what brought this about, because a lot of people don't understand what really brought this about in an indirect way that we can say the liberals are right.

It is Trump's fault. So we'll hold on to that till after a different break, because that'll be. But some of the myths that people don't understand when we look at this is the fact that. The arguments made are based on the fact that somehow Israel has control over the area known as Gaza, and they don't.

There's millions and millions of dollars gets funneled into Gaza, to Hamas, for under aid. And it doesn't go to the people. So the people we need to blame for any oppression. For the Palestinians living in Gaza would be the leaders of Gaza who are causing it.

And that is Hamas. Yes. And that's why Israel saying that Hamas has to be removed. You cannot. You cannot negotiate or work with people.

Who have their intended mission to wipe you out. And also they have little to no regard for the safety, well-being and lives of the Palestinian people. They hide beneath hospitals and they use their own people as shields and so on.

This is absolutely cowardice at its height and it's deplorable, nauseating and satanic. Well, Israel has weapons of war. They have missiles,.

They have tanks, things like this. Gaza doesn't have that. The Hamas doesn't have that. So what do they have? What is the weapon of Hamas? It is the world media, right? It is to put their military bases in places where there's people.

And every time Israel defends itself and returns fire and tries to take out the soldiers that are hiding in hospitals, what do they do? Oh, look at these civilians. I mean, they take a missile, a rocket.

It doesn't take off the way it was supposed to. Lands in the parking lot of a hospital and they run and say Israel bombed a hospital and killed 500 people. Right. And then you look at the video and go, yeah, no, the hospital is still standing.

It was about 25 people in a parking lot and it was the Hamas soldiers that set it off. But our media has been willing to take that and run with it. In fact, what you had was you had a representative speaking about that and declaring that Israel was terrorist by bombing this hospital, calling it a war crime.

And what did we see? We saw a bunch of people supporting Palestine in the Capitol building and refusing to leave. I always thought that was called an insurrection when when you do that to upset set proceedings.

I don't know. I guess.

It only works one way. Well, why don't we pick up on more and more depth on the media when we return from our first break? And once again, if you have a question, you'd like to ask Andrew Rappaport. Our email address is Chris Arnzen at Gmail dot com.

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And you were talking about the media—I'm assuming you don't just mean United States media, but globally—how it has not only a leftist bent, but an anti-Israel bent. And it is quite interesting that leftists would be cheering on a group of people that hate Jews with a passion, and even many of these people who are involved in public protests, even here in the United States, on college campuses and other places, holding up Nazi slogans and swastikas.

And the love affair that the left has with this Nazi identity is quite amazing, because it goes against their rhetoric. But that's because people don't realize that the Nazis always were a left-wing organization.

They were the National Socialist Party, remember that? And by the way, I highly recommend, for anybody who has never read it, get your hands on Scott Lively's book, The Pink Swastika, Homosexuality in the Nazi Party.

It will blow your mind. It's heavily documented, heavily footnoted, using as references many Jewish scholars and historians that were contemporaries of the Nazis, and using even those that identified themselves as homosexuals who were contemporaries of the Nazis, who made it clear that it was common knowledge that many, if not most, of the early Nazis, when the party first launched, were openly homosexual.

But anyway, that's another story for another time. So tell us about your reaction to the nearly universal opposition to Israel from the leftist media.

Well, it was interesting, because when you first saw this happen, I was watching CNN, and the CNN hosts were, like, baiting all of the people. They had people on that were nobody that wasn't supportive of Netanyahu.

But they were baiting them, trying to get these opposition folks in Israel to say that it's somehow Netanyahu's fault. And they didn't realize, like, everyone is together. Like, Israel prior to this was so fractioned to the point where the reserve army was refusing to go when called up.

And after this attack on October 7th, there's unity. They've joined together. And the media is upset. I mean, look, Biden came out and sounded very strong. He's going to, we're going to support Israel.

He's backing away from that. Congress just passed a budget where they're, after we have spent, what, $110, $120 billion for Ukraine. And, you know, in the Senate, they said, we're not going to have anything to do with that budget because it supports Israel.

And now Biden's backing away. So the thing is that this is something that I said, this is Trump's fault. How is this Trump's fault? Here's what brought this about. What you have six Middle East peace treaties that have occurred since 1948, four of them under Donald Trump.

So let that sink in. All the people that said you couldn't do what Donald Trump did, he did. He got four peace treaties. Here's the difference of what he did. Everybody prior to this had been trying to get Israel to work with their enemies.

And every time that a deal was made with Hamas, they rejected it out of hand. There was never a time that they would sit there and say, yeah, let's look at that. They were given so much before Netanyahu.

Barack Obama worked really hard to try to get something and it was rejected. But what did Trump do? Trump ended up working with those that were friendlier toward Israel. And so what happened is very simple.

There was one more nation that was about to sign a peace treaty with Israel, and that's Saudi Arabia. Now, Donald Trump's plan was to get a bunch of back to back to back to back peace treaties so that more of the Arab countries there would start to see this as that possibility of peace.

And as the larger states start doing it, there might be something that could occur. Now, what keeps all of the Arab nations together is one unifying thing, a hatred for Israel. And so there's an interesting political dynamic that's going on there.

You have these countries that say they hate Israel, want to remove Israel, but they actually don't, because especially Iran, because even though Iran is funding Hamas to go in and do things to Israel, you don't see Iran sending people in.

You don't see Iran or even Egypt saying to the Palestinians, hey, you can come to us. They're not allowing. I mean, remember Gaza borders on not just Israel, but Egypt. Egypt was refusing to let any Palestinians come into Egypt.

So as they say that it's somehow a war crime for Israel not to let the Palestinians, but no one blames Egypt for doing far worse because Israel, they used to allow them to come in and work. So here's the thing though.

What keeps all these countries together is their unified hatred for Israel. Who was the enemy prior? It was for many, many years, it was Iran. Iran is the one country that has a different branch of Islam than the others.

Many of your listeners may even be old enough to remember the many decades of the Iran-Iraq war. This is what was going on. And so Iran saw that if Saudi Arabia was to do a peace deal, that then would be the domino.

Many people were expecting that, that this would be the domino to cause the other nations to come and have peace. So you have many countries outside of the Middle East who are very anti-Israel and yet support Israel.

That sounds strange. We do it here. You have our country, you have Joe Biden, Barack Obama doing many things to support, Barack Obama did more to support the Israeli hating Arabs than any other president.

And then pretended like he was supporting Israel. And the reason why you have so many countries that do that is a very simple reason, Chris, it's a thing called oil. You think about what happened when Barack Obama was president, there was an issue with Syria and all of a sudden all the countries, France and Russia and the US, they all were starting to make divisions on their support or lack of support for Syria based on Syria was supporting them with oil.

And this is the things that the rest of the world, unfortunately, would rather have war between Israel and their neighbors so that they don't have to have war over the oil they want from the Middle East.

This is the political dynamic that's going on there. They're so afraid of having peace with Syria that Iran funded and keep in mind, folks, let's not just blame Iran. Where did Iran get the money from?

The United States of America had released $6 billion that we were holding of Iran money and Joe Biden released that. And then just after that, these attacks happened. And what's their argument? Oh, but none of that money was used for that.

It was only used for aid. Well, I mean, Chris, if your car broke down and I just happened to come to you and say, hey, you know, I got some money laying around. I got, you know, $10 ,000 and, you know, I'm just going to give you $10 ,000 as a gift.

And you had money that you were saving maybe for, you know, this car you need to replace, but you also had to pay your rent. And I say, but you can't use that money for your car. You could take the money you had for your car that you were saving, pay your rent, you know, and then take the money and, you know, use it as I used, as I said.

Well, that's exactly what they did here. They're going to go, okay, we'll take it, only use it for aid. But then that releases $6 billion that they could take from elsewhere. And so this is the dynamics.

When we talk about, you see here so many people, Chris, asking about negotiating, working together, trying to cease fire. How do you have a cease fire with people who came in to a music festival, killing thousands, kidnapping hundreds to thousands?

Including women and children. Yeah. Grandmothers. Killing them. And the leftist media was like, oh, look how they took care of them. They had shampoo for them and they had water and food and aid. Aid, by the way, funded by the Western world.

But think about that. The left media wants to praise the fact that, yeah, they kidnapped them, but they're treating them well. Well, that should tell you that they planned this kidnapping. Why did they kidnap?

Well, they said why they kidnapped. So that if Israel was to respond, they would use these people they kidnapped because they knew Israel would not kill, would try everything they can not to kill innocent people, especially their own.

And so they wanted to use them. And that's why Israel is having the response that they have that's so harsh, that where they're not even considering this time. I think this is going to be the one time that this situation may be resolved because what's happened every other time is, you know, Hamas, Hezbollah, they shoot some missiles in.

They do a skirmish. Israel responds. The world tells them to quiet down, to stop. They back off. And it just continues on in this forever cycle. But the Hamas leader yesterday said that they want to do, they're ready to do and want to do another October 7th, and they'll do it again and again and again until there is no Israel.

You're not dealing with people that are trying to say we would like to get some land. You're dealing with people who want to wipe people out. They want a genocide. And they are attacking innocent people, people that are just at a music fair.

And they targeted that. They were going Let me just explain one situation what they did. They took a young boy. They held his family hostage as they made this boy and they told the boy that they were going to kill his family if he didn't do what they wanted.

And they used this boy to knock on all of his neighbor's houses so that the neighbors would open up. They'd come out of there because a lot of them have secure areas within their homes. They'd come out and they would, you know, look to see, OK, we recognize this voice.

We'll open the door. And as they one by one open the door, these soldiers would go in and slaughter the families. And then they come back and take this boy to his home where he gets to watch them kill his family.

This is what you're dealing with. And these these folks were on a drug that they took that just knocks out all the conscience. They have no morals at that point. And they were doing vile things. And for people to want to support this, especially in America, where you have you, you were mentioning with with Germany and the Nazis, with the homosexuality, you have the transgenders and the homosexuals for Palestine.

Are you kidding? Right. You they are the first ones that these Arabs would kill.

Yes. And that would go for even a broader spectrum of leftists. If they were in living in a nation under Sharia law, just because of many of their feminist views, pro homosexual views, you know, on and on and on, we could go.

They would be the first under the chopping block. And this love affair that the left has with and even, you know, those that claim to be LGBTQ activists, this love affair they have with defending Islam in the public eye is really strange.