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Well, you know, I was in this room on Thursday evening

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Left a lot later than I normally do That's for sure and I just simply have to say

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I want to start the program off today by saying we all owe Cory Mahler a true debt of thanks and I certainly do because Believe it or not.

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I really was thinking about getting a pet platypus and Until the cross -examination in that debate

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I Had no idea that the male platypus is venomous and so I I Would have been in big trouble

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And I wondered why that the pet stores did not advertise Plata those things

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Platypi, yeah They didn't they didn't offer them for sale and and now we know why that's um, that's that's a good thing to know

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Yeah, probably would have eaten the cats Especially the little kittens right now. Yeah, definitely so anyway

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I've been saved from a horrible death No, I have no earthy idea

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What asking about the venomous status of a platypus means in any debate?

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But oh, I forgot Oh rat. Let me see Yeah, here it is

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Let me see if I can did you all see this

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Um This is my my son -in -law

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Actually created this I never saw the office Episode where this was but I've seen it over and over again where the ladies asked corporate needs you to find the differences between this picture in this picture and She answers they're the same picture and so you can put all sorts of funny stuff in here so Eric but Presto and Andy freeze together with the platypus.

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Um, they're the same picture And when

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I when I posted that online I When I posted that online

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I Said I followed it up with And then there was this

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And I posted a picture from the Joe Ventilacion debate While I was looking for that The the debate the former debate teacher guy,

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I'm sorry the name spacing me at the moment I forgive me please Had done a video review and I loved how it started off basically

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Basically saying that if you're ever sent to purgatory and he says purgatory doesn't exist. But if you're sent to purgatory

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They're gonna have Joe Ventilacion on repeat Asking the same question over and over if you haven't seen the

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Joe Ventilacion debate Look Watch the

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Andy freeze debate Watch the Joe Ventilacion debate and watch the Cory Mahler debate and vote for me for Job That's Yeah, yeah, there's been there were a couple there was a fellow he's actually passed on now a

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Muslim apologist down in South Africa that was Similar the Joe the the the

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Tassie debate Similar yeah, there've been some Not their

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Ahmed. Oh, definitely other Ahmed in Yeah There there been some

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You get done at the end of the night and you just staying there and all you can do is shake your head go Okay What what can we say so Massive amounts of Feedback from the debate on Thursday, I'd like to say the vast majority the vast majority

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This is interesting the vast majority from people who are real

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On social media in other words non a non count anonymous account have all said the same thing and That it was

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Very clear what the outcome of the debate was and of course Doug Wilson Told us on Saturday, I think that He was gonna have some fun reviewing the debate on blog and may blog which

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That dropped yesterday and he recorded His video reading it.

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I haven't gotten a chance to finish listening to that But I noticed he was breaking up and cracking up He was cracking himself up a couple times even reading his own stuff

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Which started hard to do because you know, you know the jokes coming because you wrote it but still and so People that we know who they are.

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We know You know where they're coming from what church they go to things like that and pretty straightforward as to the conclusion of that particular debate

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But I also I also don't see a lot I'll sometimes see somebody making a comment to somebody and then

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I'll click into that thread and Three quarters the people it says blocked blocked blocked and it's people

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I have blocked So I can still click on it and see what they say. And when I do so I go

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Oh, that's why I blocked it. Okay, so I'm sure there's some super hyper nastiness out there that I just simply haven't seen

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But That there is some incredible stuff out there

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I'm not gonna I'm not gonna show it But I made a comment

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I Reposted Doug's article With this horrible comment

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I said some long lines of I can just see the little grin that Doug had as he was typing away at certain parts of this article or something along those lines and And it's true

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Doug will get this grin going when he's Getting ready, it was sort of like what he did during our debate in 2004

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When he brought up infant baptism and said but James you have to admit it is cute you know that type of thing and So there's this there's this account out there.

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And again, it's an anonymous account But it's it's one of the worst and It's a guy named

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Defiant Baptist and You know,

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I can make a really good case biblically that if anybody knows who this man is that they should reveal that so that if he is in a church that the church would be made aware of it because this is the stuff this guy posts is

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Very much in line with 2nd Peter and Jude, you know clouds without water and hidden reefs in the love feast all that kind of thing and I mean, it's really bad.

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It should be reprobate Baptist not Defiant Baptist and He Reposted what

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I said about when I reposted Doug's article and Of course then decided to add sexual innuendo now a couple weeks ago

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It's barely been two weeks. I think Hitler hated

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Christ posted a bunch of stuff from Dumperth the number two guy at Stone choir f -bombs filthy language sexual innuendo blatant sexual sinful conversations from a quote -unquote private

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Server And of course people immediately He's repentant of all that really where we're name, but where do you say that?

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Never saw any of that this is just the way these people are and Then as I looked at the comments to Defiant Baptist Thing it was the same level of vile

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Thoroughly reprobate unregenerate these people are not Christians And of course nine out of ten of them are anons as well, so they may be the same guy who knows

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There's there's no way of knowing but it is astonishing to see the kind of behavior

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That has come from this I've probably blocked a hundred people since the Since the thing

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I I don't need a white supremacist in my feed at all

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I have no time for them. I have no interest in them You can't make a coherent case

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For anything you just don't even begin to understand what the gospel is So I just you know block block block blockity blockity blockity and You know, they they may still be out there screaming into the void, but I don't hear it

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So the fact that I saw as much as I did Given how many you know well over a thousand people on my block list

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I Twitter won't tell you how long it is But and I'm not gonna sit there and count them either but there there are a lot and Just just the behavior of people.

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It's just absolutely shocking Uttering capacity to engage with the biblical text.

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That's you know, if you're in a non Reason for that, you know, you don't want it You don't want someone to actually come up to you and hold you accountable open a

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Bible and go Okay, and I tell you what this this says Any more than Mahler did? So But my concern is oh you want to talk some yeah,

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I I do Because Paul did and John did the the

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Apostles warned the next generation To keep an eye out for these wolves in sheep's clothing.

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These people are coming in amongst the flock and so yeah, I Since they lack the integrity the guts the maturity

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To stand up and be known Then Churches need to be aware that these people are out there most likely

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They're showing up on Sunday and not saying a word That's the scary part, you know, then they develop friendships with people and then it's you know on the sly

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Hey, have you ever thought that that doesn't here comes the cancer here comes the infection virus?

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That's the real issue it really is and So to all of the people who were saying beforehand you just shouldn't even be doing this again

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You know, maybe you don't have a lot of experience. Maybe you're in an area where for some strange reason

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This stuff hasn't really Come in real big But there are deep pastoral concerns

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And people keep talking about you don't care about the young men. I do That's why I've so often said to the young men if you want wisdom

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That the word gives you plenty of it at Apologia for the past Year, I think now

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Jeff has been preaching through Proverbs and You know wisdom from on high

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God's Book of Wisdom and I mean incredibly practical stuff and to young men

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I as a Christian minister, I cannot offer you a Mechanism for expressing

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The sinful desires of your heart while you pretend to be a victim and that's what that's what these groups offer you

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You're better than everybody else Your your genetics is better than anybody else and We need to get rid of every out because because if if you know as Mahler has said if we live in United States, we should never have to see a black person

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Never have to live near a black person Our kids should never have to be exposed to this etc, etc

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So, you know your lily white white supremacist nation first of all never existed

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Okay, that's that's first thing but but secondly if you really are a

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Christian The victim mentality it doesn't matter whether you're white black yellow doesn't matter

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If you've died and your life is hidden with Christ and God and Christ was the ultimate sacrificial victim

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Then there's there's the victim hood You died with him. That's all past and now you live for him and it doesn't matter what happened

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It doesn't matter what happens around you. You've been called to follow

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Christ and To be obedient to his command and that's that's why Christians can be the last light in so many nations and kingdoms of the past that God was doing away with and they may have

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Wanted their nation to continue, but it didn't History is filled with former empires and former nations and those

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Christians that lived in those nations even as they were falling they were called to be faithful where they were and Not to be sitting going.

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Oh, oh is me my my Blood and soil is being taken over.

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Well you poor thing It's just astonishing

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The How people can sit there with a

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Bible in their hands and then buy into this stuff it's It's amazing what we have to offer young men is

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The same biblical truths that have made Christians the resilient World changing people they've always been

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Say yeah, we're talking patience. We're talking service to others We're talking visiting orphans and widows

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We're talking being a family man We're talking service in the church we're talking putting others before yourself and Yes, we're talking about being ready willing and desirous

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To be used by Christ present the gospel to men from every tribe tongue people in nation.

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Yeah, that's we're talking about and You'll never find greater fulfillment You know,

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I I think about All the years who have Salt Lake City and Yeah Salt Lake City back then was pretty lily -white

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Vast majority of people in fact whenever I saw an African American going in there. I'm like, do you you know?

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What the history of this church is all about and what they used to teach about Priesthood and what happened in 1978 and all the rest that kind of stuff

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No, they didn't know but It never it never ever ever ever ever crossed my mind in all those years to be thinking

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You know whether it's out in Mesa at the Easter Patrick is that you get a much broader spectrum people out there

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But Salt Lake City Never crossed my mind

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Even think about the ethnicity the genotype of the human being standing in front of me and I I'll be honest with you.

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I I don't even understand what it would be like to have that mindset. I really really don't and You know, we can honestly talk about I I saw a statistic today.

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I Think it was this morning That according to the crime statistics in Washington DC now, that's a violent place.

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Isn't that amazing? The capital this great nation is one of the most violent places you could possibly ever live

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Should tell you something That The black -on -black shooting the number of number of times when a

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Black -person shot a black person in comparison to white person to a white person 58 to 1 58 times more black -on -black violence shootings than white on white and See Cory Mahler jumps in to say

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It's genetic fathers Family fathers because see

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I know black families That are godly and solid and history will tell you that up until the government and the

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Great Society decided to use the black population

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For political purposes Black families were more stable than white families back in the you know turn of the century last century century,

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I was born it they were more stable and it was the government that changed that and Created fatherlessness and and everything else took place and so We can look at that we go see the

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Bible says this about the family the Bible says this about males headship of the family and in the church and Yeah, I've openly criticized.

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I saw something I should have saved it. There was some big black woman

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Who calls herself a pastor pastoress, I don't know whatever it is and Here's I think protest you had this.

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I'm not sure that's kind of thing they find She's literally coming up Through the stage, you know on a rising thing

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Like they'll do in concerts and stuff like that and they've got music going and lights and she's dressed in this

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Goddy Golden gown and waving is up. This was her 20 year anniversary of pastoring this church

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And I'm just watching this going oh Wow and You know some people say well, you know this is just different in the black church.

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There's a standard It doesn't matter what color your church There's a standard of what a pastor is supposed to be.

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She doesn't fit that There's a standard as to how God's supposed to be honored worshipped.

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The word is supposed to be honored and I'm not saying everything has to be the same I've told the story before Been a long time

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When Jeff Neal who co -authored the same -sex controversy with me back 25 years ago

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When He went to Uganda. He came back

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And I went to his house along with a bunch of other people and he sort of gave him a Report on what he had experienced there

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It was so compelling he was he was so clear and Compelling in his presentation.

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I almost felt like I went It's really amazing. I've been a few times in my life when something was so real

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That happened to somebody else but What I remember so clearly from it was you know

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He talked talked about how they worshipped and how it was very different than what he was used to back then he was I've been a

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Baptist most of his life. I don't think he had not sure if he had Presbyterian yet at that point in time, but might have been right before that.

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I don't remember but he had been raised Baptist like me and so you know, they're getting together in the jungle basically and Someone pulls out a

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Tape recorder type thing or was it a keyboard? Can't remember now and they started playing the music and they're moving and they're dancing and he's very

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Uncomfortable just like I would be In that situation because just so different than what he's accustomed to He said but then when it came time for me to speak

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I had I had asked them how long I should go and They had said if I recall he said

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Minimally one hour with an hour for questions This is in the jungle okay, and he said

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The people sat down on the ground and they got out teeny tiny little stubs of pencils with little scraps of paper

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And they would write notes that were so small. He said you couldn't even read them, but that's all they had and None of them had whole

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Bibles if they got a Bible in their language They would tear it up and share the various books and pass them around That was how you had access to scripture.

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And so he preached on The Atonement as I recall from Hebrews.

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All right, and Then The questions would come and of course they had to be translated

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To him and like the very first question

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Was how do you understand? the sin of apostasy in Hebrews chapter 10 in light of what you said and This wasn't one of the leaders where everybody else is tuning out like oh great.

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We're going into deep theology No, this was this this was the level of question coming from The lay people in the audience

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They asked a much higher level of question than you and get in almost any evangelical church in that state partly because they knew this was an opportunity that they didn't generally get to have and so I Always think back to that and the reality that we

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We think because we have so much that we're so far beyond everybody else in the world, but in reality the muchness that we have frequently results in a real shallowness a

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Very short attention span I Couldn't help but remember that Pope Francis not very

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I think it was only last year had Recommended to all priests that no one listens to a sermon.

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It's more than eight minutes long and Those Ugandans sir did and I know others that do the same thing so anyway,

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I Have just been so thankful across my life That I I Knew from a child

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That what the society believed about race and racism and things like that was foolish

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But that also meant that I could also recognize when You know during the debate

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Mahler said, what do you say? 70 to 65 to 70 or was it 70 85 something talk to talk about people in the

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Congo Claim to be Christian and Yet the rape numbers are through the ceiling and he goes that's not the behavior of Christian people and I'm like Yeah There you go.

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Maybe that would sort of possibly lead you to going Yeah, they're not actually

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Christians. And yeah, when you look at the you look at the false prophets in Africa Not just Nigeria, but there's plenty of them there

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South Africa I remember when I would go to when I visited South Africa many times and I'd I think it was on our way out to Pachis room if I recall correctly from Brandberg we drive by this church and My host would always point it out as Just one of the worst examples

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Of a an abusive cultic false prophet type guy

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There's no gospel being preached there. They'd all claim to be Christians, but they wouldn't have a clue what the gospel actually is it's all about you know, maybe

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I'll hit the the Jesus lottery and he'll Dump a bunch of money on me and get me out of the township.

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I'm living in type of pie -in -the -sky stuff Thankfully I've told the story a number of times that twice.

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I preached in townships and You go what's a township if you've ever seen the the film the movie district 9

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If you've heard of Soweto Tempe Z These are massive as far as the eye can see

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Massive we'd call them not even ghettos

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The the huts are made of corrugated metal the the roofs are held on with tires

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Nothing's paved Now the weirdness is you can you can literally drive through something like that See a hut

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That's been put together from a bunch of other huts And there's a Land Rover Park does that You can see people showing up in Nike shirts and Nike sneakers and they live in a hut because where they live doesn't matter

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It's it's what they look like and what they drive. So you got that going on, too but I did speak in Two different townships and both times they asked me to address the same topic

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And it wasn't how to get rich and it wasn't word -faith theology or anything like that It was how to witness to Jehovah's Witnesses Because the witnesses were in the townships too and So these were sound churches.

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They're trying to go out. They're trying to present the gospel in a very difficult place They're in a small minority.

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They're not 75 80 percent of true believers and They're running into the witnesses and the witnesses, you know

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Have lots more literature than they do and they get more training on how to deal with Using the

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New World Translation and all that kind of stuff. And so both places asked me to help us

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How do we how do we respond to Jehovah's Witnesses? And I was more than happy to do so Honored to do so truly.

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So yeah, I have I have criticized And identified serious problems in the black church female leadership compromised male leadership

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Compromise on sexual ethics lack of fathers taking responsibility for their families

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It's obvious it's right there in front of us it can't be denied it's it's right there

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That's not racism in any way shape or form because what I'm saying is, you know

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It's same thing. It came up in the debate the Cretans thing you know member I He didn't have much a response that one.

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Remember that I He brought it up he brought the text up from what Paul said to Titus and What's the next verse say

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I just asked him to read the next verse and The next verse says therefore rebuke them sharply so they may sat bait maybe sound in the faith

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So Paul Paul recognized it's gonna take a strong rebuke, but they can be sound in the faith

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He's not saying they can't be He's not doing what Mahler was saying is they're always liars and lazy gluttons

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And so the Holy Spirit just can't do anything with them all the rest that kind of stuff baloney You you may have to be more bold with them

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Uh, then you would someone from a different background, but that changes nothing so anyway, uh,

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Let me comment briefly a lot of people do not understand how debate is supposed to work technically and Since we don't have a debate judge panel this doesn't always you know work, but technically

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Cross -examination is supposed to be limited to what has already been introduced into evidence in the debate.

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So that's why in Collegiate debate if you ever listen to collegiate debate

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They just they go all they sit there and they talk as fast they possibly can because you've only got your presentation time and after that you cannot introduce anything else and And so you just talk like making the

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FedEx man sound like he's speaking in slow motion Some of you don't know what the FedEx man is, but anyway and so Technically You're not supposed to bring new stuff up in cross -examination.

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You're supposed to be staying on a topic What has been said you're supposed to be using that time to poke holes in your opponent's argument by specifically referring to the

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Argumentation he has made so Mahler's an attorney that doesn't mean anything

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I've debated two or three attorneys that were really good at debate and every other attorney I've debated

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Did this think they're horrible? a lot of attorneys never end up in a courtroom they're just doing stuff and submitting motions and researching stuff and Honestly once the law libraries are digitized and fed into Grok's database

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We'll have a whole lot less attorneys to be It's it's true Yeah, yeah

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AI courts and everything else But those cross -ex questions there was so many people sitting there going

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What is he talking about? And he did say well Saying that God does not change.

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Well, that wasn't part of the dispute If you're going to argue that point then what you have to argue is that God has decreed that black people

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Will not experience Christ likeness to the level that white people will well He's not gonna even try to make that kind of argument.

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He can't prove it So Everybody's sitting over. What is this guy doing?

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He's not an interesting speaker. Like I said, he sounds like an insurance salesman Just just sort of just almost robotic at times in the way they speak and So a lot of people are just like what are we dealing with here?

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I have no idea and and I understand that Now let me tell you briefly what

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I you know, I didn't know which direction to be going I Do know what he believes

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I've listened to enough of the episodes and understand and I knew how central in both the previous discussions he had with Chris Rosebaum and with Samuel same

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Genesis 9 was central. I'm not even sure he brought it up.

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I Don't think he did Which is really weird to me because if you've listened to him the whole idea is

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That the curse on Canaan was actually a curse on him that Ham was the father of the

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African blacks Maybe we got close to it when he brought up the issue of the

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Ethiopian woman Moses and stuff Genesis or Exodus I Don't know.

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Maybe he realized That there's just no way in 15 minutes to Even get close to being able to explain what it is.

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He's trying to assert I Had been sitting there going how is he gonna do this because fundamentally what the argument is is the black

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Africans are the descendants of Ham he interprets he has directly stated

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That's two most important prophecies in the Bible that affect world history our

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Genesis 3 the proteo Evangelium passage and Genesis 9 25 to 27 the three sons of of Noah and You remember

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Samuel say and he argued about this because when you read

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Genesis 9 Ham is not cursed. Ham is not cursed

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Canaan is cursed for the sin of him Now we can have lots of discussions why that is

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There's a lot of different standings But that's what takes place and So I'm sitting here going all right somehow

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He's gonna throw out that God Inalterably cursed

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Ham and said that Ham's descendants will be the servants of Shem and Japheth and That is why they cannot be

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Sanctified to the same level is because God's not going to go against his own promise found in that prophecy in Scripture and so One of the things that I did in preparation for the debate was

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Because this is not stuff that you're normally doing in seminary and things like that or teaching seminary is

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I? Wondered when did because The idea that the black

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Africans are Hamites or the descendants of him Was pretty much universally accepted in the 19th century in England and the

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United States Pretty much everybody including black Christian pastor all bought that narrative and You can see how that functioned if you look at same time period

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Joseph Smith and his acceptance of some weird stuff prevalent in his day about the

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Ancient inhabitants of the hemisphere and things like that. And so I was going when did that start because That's not what

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Genesis says. Genesis says Canaan Is the one that's cursed and when you look at the early church, it's not like there's a huge amount of discussion about it but origin and Ambrose both in commentary on Genesis 9

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Indicated that This was fulfilled in the destruction of the Canaanite cities and peoples when

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Israel went into the land and they were to subjugate the

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Canaanites in Fulfillment of Genesis 9 that was that was the early church's view

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And so I wanted to know when did when did people start thinking that the curse?

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Wasn't on Canaan, but was on him and that Ham's descendants are all black and therefore

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Since it refers to servanthood that blacks should be enslaved. Where does that come from?

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and What's really interesting? I had this sitting here the whole time and If you want to read like I said,

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I made reference this want to read more about all this stuff Curse of Ham race and slavery and early

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Judaism Christian Islam by David M. Goldenberg Not exactly scintillating reading

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But again books like this. It's the bibliography and the footnotes and stuff like that where you can grab hold of a lot of Really really useful stuff

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But one of the primary theories, you know, because it's hard to prove I already had the source material in my library

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This is the history of Altaveri volume 2 prophets and patriarchs is the

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English translation I have it in Arabic and Evidently About the earliest

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Interpretation of Genesis 9 and I was ready for this if it came up it didn't The earliest reputation of Genesis 9 that connects ham to the curse and Then connects ham to black skinned people is recorded by Altaveri.

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So it's it's a Muslim source and He says he's repeating Ibn Ishaq Ibn Ishaq is one of the earliest

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Sources we have for the life of Muhammad now, we know that the

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Arab Muslims would enslave black Africans And one of the foundations for doing that was found in that interpretation of Genesis 9

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Seemingly that was then picked up by Jewish writers and then by the 12th century

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Picked up by Christian writers, so wouldn't it be awesomely ironic if Corey Mahler's understanding of Genesis 9

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Actually came from the Muslims via the Jews that would be almost as hilarious as Doug Wilson's comment that Corey Mahler looks like a

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Ukrainian rabbi Because Once once you see that you can't unsee it every time you then look at him you go

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Yeah, he does look like a Ukrainian rabbi. Yeah, okay. Well There you go

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So yeah, I I was gonna ask him. So do you have a source? Before Altaveri That understands

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Genesis 9 the way you do because honestly It seems to me that in Mahler's twisted cultic theology

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That understanding of Genesis 9 is the key lens through which to look at everything else and That's Yeah, that's that's scary

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Okay enough about that because I'm actually planning on joining

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Luke on Apology a radio we're gonna try to do a mashup show on Thursday and talk more about the debate and stuff and talk about Luke's interaction with it and stuff like that, so Covered enough of that and there we go okay,

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I Have a Tweet a couple tweets here.

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You've probably never heard of Roman Catholic integralism before Maybe you have if you're really up on stuff

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Integralism is the idea Integralism is the Christian nationalists who follow the

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Pope Obviously Roman Catholicism in Europe was a sacral system as much as Stephen Wolfe who by the way

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Stephen Wolfe, I think over the weekend Might have been on Friday Said that he will debate he will

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Debate me by defending the reformed tradition. Yeah, that's that's it.

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That's a great Thesis statement for a debate. I'm gonna defend the reformed tradition on what?

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Which reformed tradition as if there's only one? On almost any topic that there is to discuss so I'm like, uh

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On what topic? What what do you and so I responded? My response was a grand total of 221 words.

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I counted I put it in the word process 220 words it was Three or four paragraphs of just a couple sentences each my response

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Was just over half as long as the first paragraph in book one

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Chapter one of the Institute's first paragraph. Okay, so it was not a book But I responded

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I said on what topic of the reformed tradition and then

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I suggested To him Since he has criticized

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Presuppositional ism and says it's not consistent with a reformed understanding I'm like, okay.

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I'll I'll happily defend presuppositional ism and I think I even gave a title that it is the consistent continuation of reformed theology in regards to The nature of man and the knowledge of God especially in light of living in a secular world something like that So let's make it really

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Puritan And I said and my fellow elder

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Jeff Durbin would love to debate you on theonomy So, why don't we do a double a double header?

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Let's let's arrange this. Let's let's do it His response was

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TLDR TLDR I had never heard that before Just a couple months ago.

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I had to ask Grock what it meant TLDR too long didn't read 221 words

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Just a couple sentences Um again, like I said barely over half the length of the opening paragraph of Calvin's Institute Too long didn't read are you gonna debate or not and so I'm like Okay, I guess

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I'll take that as an acceptance of of our debate topics and So let's get together and and talk about when haven't heard a word since I haven't heard a word since Someone who responds to you

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TLDR you can't take them seriously TLDR is is stuff that you hear from ADHD 12 year olds.

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Okay, not someone who's to be taken seriously And so for for all you guys out there that are constantly

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Blathering at me and jumping into comment threads debate wolf debate wolf He's the one who won't debate

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We've said here's topics you've addressed all these things now, I know why he won't he's not an apologist

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He probably has read almost nothing of Antel or Bonson for that matter

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He's not gonna take on Jeff on Theotomy that's he can he'll criticize it but he's not gonna do it and so it's it's just like Just just realize you've been lied to it's just this thing that keeps getting repeated over and over again

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The guy's just not serious. It's just not serious Anyways back to this

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This thing I've got on the screen here Here's some young Roman Catholic guy

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Adrian and So you've got the picture of the vice president meeting with Pope Leo the 14th

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The first Pope who's actually named Bob It's Pope Bob.

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His first name is Robert. So Pope Bob from Chicago and so on the left is

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Vance meeting with the Pope and then it's a picture of the Pope on the on the right and It says the future of America and the world is

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Catholic whether you like it or not whether you like it or not and Then down below you've got yes, we are entering

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Christendom. Oh, I've heard that somewhere It will not be a pretty picture at first However, when people realize that they will love it and then

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Adrian says this is why they are scared the area the era of Talmudism is over So you have

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Amongst Roman Catholics the same Mindset that you have amongst reform

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Protestants today There is an anti -jewish Assertion of the

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Talmud and the Jews are in control this that the other thing blah blah blah blah blah blah But they're just wide open about it

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Rome's gonna take over and we're gonna be in charge and The reality is we know what that looks like Then they're done that got the martyrs then they're done that got

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Fox's Book of Martyrs, okay We we've already seen this for hundreds of years so we and it was called sacralism

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And one of us anyways has been consistent from the start going yeah, you know

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There's this there's a sphere of authority of family and there's fear authority the church and the sphere of authority of the state and Sounds like you're wanting to get rid of all that and That could be really really really dangerous and yeah, we've tried to be straight up front about that How how real is this?

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well Uh, let me see here if I if I've got it Where'd that go?

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Well, I saved it to Yeah, it's not there

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I must have I must have saved it to downloads and didn't move it over to This let me look real quick here

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Um Let me see if I've got this here, hold on just a moment

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Come on. Oh over here put on the wrong screen Didi didi didi

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No, it's not gonna show it Okay, there it is.

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Let me see if this will Pull it up on one of my Things Facebook great

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That's doing absolutely positively nothing for me anyway,

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I tried to save it it was a oh Now it opens up correctly. That's great

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Okay Yeah, let me see if this is gonna work it might

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Okay, you got it. All right here. Here we go this now. This is

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Secretary of State University in 2018 that was built on an encyclical by a

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Pope Leo So as a Roman Catholic, I believe that the Pope the Bishop of Rome is

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The inheritor of the power that was left to Peter By Jesus himself and has been passed down through the generations

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No other human institution would have been able to survive the ups and downs the church has faced What's kept it is that he's the rock and upon that rock he built the church

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See that what's this I Got it little what's that That's the seal the

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United States that's Secretary of State. I'm sorry. Did I say something else earlier? I think I said Secretary State anyway

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Yeah That video was put out By the United States government

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That wasn't privately done That that that's the yeah

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United States government and You're like, but that was purely

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Roman propaganda. I What what what what are we talking about here and it's like well, yeah

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There you go That's Roman Catholic integralism right there and You've got someone in very high position of authority

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United States Promoting it, but what's interesting? I Might have to go a few minutes over here, but what's interesting is

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The first sort of presentation that he makes

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His inaugural sermon Here's an article and It says

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Pope Leo the 14th Drops papal supremacy urging full communion with all

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Christians Pontiff's inaugural sermon highlights the ecumenical interpretation of the rock as Christ What's this is

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Jules Gomes? published yesterday in his trail braise trail blazing inaugural sermon

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Pope Leo the 14th pointed to Christ rather than Peter as The foundational rock of Christianity using the term sister

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Christian churches to mark his desire for ecumenical unity Love and unity. These are the two dimensions the mission entrusted to Peter by Jesus.

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He told the 150 ,000 Catholics as well as representatives from Protestant Orthodox churches who gathered at st.

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Peter's Square for his inaugural mass on Sunday morning Leo the 14th noted that the

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Apostle Peter himself tells us that Jesus is a stone that was rejected by you the builders has become the cornerstone is

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Expressly designated Jesus as the founding rock of the church Now that video just said differently, didn't it?

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Yeah Moreover, if the rock is Christ Peter must be shepherd must shepherd the flock without ever yielding to the temptation to be an autocrat

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Lording it over those entrusted to him. Well, there's a history of the of the Pope's in Miniature right there the pontiff emphasized in a significant departure from conventional

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Catholic interpretation Which identifies Peter as the rock on which Jesus built the church? Leo the 14th described the papal office as a calling to Quote serve the faith of his brothers and sisters and to walk alongside them and quote underscoring the role of all baptized believers as living stones

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Called to build God's house and fraternal communion in the harmony of the Spirit in the coexistence of diversity

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The new Pope's interpretation of Christ as the rock draws on patristic exegesis Which was brought to the attention of Pope Pius the 9th in 1870 by Archbishop Peter Kenrick of st.

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Louis, Missouri Kenrick alarmed by the promulgation the dogma of papal infallibility at Vatican one

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Demonstrated that most the church fathers did not believe that the rock of Matthew 16 18 was Peter Instead 44 fathers understood the rock as Peter's confession 16 interpreted as Jesus 8

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Interpreted as all the Apostles and a few believed the rock to be the faithful only 17 fathers thought the rock was

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Peter From this it follows either that no argument at all or one of the slender's

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Probability is to derive from the words on this rock while I build my church in support of the primacy Kenrick concluded

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According to an ecumenical study document the Bishop of Rome published last November By the

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Dicastery for promoting Christian unity during the reign of Pope Francis Quote it is never forgotten that the first stone on which the church is built is

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Christ himself end quote the document warns Catholics against using an anachronistic projection of all doctrinal and institutional developments concerning papal ministry into the

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Petrine text Particularly Matthew 16 18 you are Peter and on this rock.

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I'll build my church. Did you hear that? Did you hear that I need to read that again first of all realize

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Yes, I visited Rome once I've stood in st. Peter's I've looked up at that couple up there and the this very text the

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Petrine promise is in gold Up there. We're not talking painted gold.

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It's gold. It's the real stuff They may have to chip it all down and sell it to keep the

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Vatican running but it's up there the document warns Catholics against using an anachronistic projection of all doctrinal and Institutional developments concerning papal ministry in the

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Petrine text particularly Matthew 16 18 Folks there is no papacy without doing historically the papacy developed

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Over time due to historical realities to follow the Western Empire and The use of forged documents the nation of Constantine, which is part of the pseudo is a

01:00:02

Dorian decretals Everyone recognizes that these were forgeries today

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But it was the claim That these Petrine texts whether it's from John Luke Matthew It's all they it's almost all they've got and we saw all of these just over the past few weeks

01:00:25

Once Francis died in that interregnum that period before the conclave got going

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It was all over Twitter. Didn't you see it all over X all over Facebook? You know, they're quoting these texts.

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I've prayed for your faith not fail when you turn, you know Strengthen your brothers that Matthew 6 it was everywhere

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Because that's all they've got Without that they've got nothing but think let's let's change this.

01:00:56

Let's let's change it what if it said the document warns Catholics against an anachronistic projection of all doctrinal and institutional developments concerning Eucharistic theology and transubstantiation

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Into the New Testament text particularly John chapter 6 that's just as valid This statement is correct

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That what Rome does is they? Anachronist and is that not a term that I I didn't know about this document

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You have to track it down now But that has been my claim for decades

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That Rome must engage in anachronistic interpretation of The early church fathers to come up with her mature

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Doctrinal position that's not what the people back then believed. It's not what they practice.

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It's not it didn't work. This is fascinating It continues on from the moment they appear in patristic literature at the beginning of the third century

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The interpretations of Matthew 16 17 through 19 are multiple. That's true the document states in exploring how theological dialogues have challenged confessional readings of the

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New Testament confessional reason a testament means Roman Catholics reading the New Testament in the light of the development of the papacy and the claims that The papacy has final authority to interpret the

01:02:32

New Testament The authors agree with the Eastern Orthodox Churches that the

01:02:38

Pope did not enjoy universal jurisdiction in the first thousand years of Christianity and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger That's Benedict the 16th

01:02:50

Quote as far as the doctrine of the primacy is concerned Rome must not require more of the

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East and was formulated and lived during the first millennium end quote on Sunday Leo relied on this interpretation as he preached quote

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I I was chosen without any merit of my own and now with fear and trembling I come to you as a brother

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Who desires to be the servant of your faith and your joy? Walking with you on the path of God's love where he wants us all to be united in one family and quote now

01:03:25

That sounds all fine and good But first of all, this is not an official statement.

01:03:33

It is not a Apostolic encyclical papal encyclical

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It would not be considered to have binding authority blah blah blah blah blah nothing has changed as far as that's concerned and My assumption would be that within the first year you're going to see

01:03:57

You know reaffirmations of Standard Roman Catholic authority claims

01:04:08

Including those claims for the papacy that's what I expect to see happening and That might happen sooner than later in light of stuff like this

01:04:21

But it is amazing To hear that study document saying the same things we've been saying for a very very long time

01:04:30

You got to realize Roman Catholic apologists don't have the luxury of Going That doesn't work in a thesis in a statement in a debate role well

01:04:42

You've you've got to defend the strongest statement. Yeah That's why liberal

01:04:48

Catholics don't debate, you know Not gonna do that Catholic apologists are always amongst the most conservative that you're going to be able to find for the obvious reason

01:04:59

That you don't find liberal Protestants Defending the faith either because they don't really believe anything but still

01:05:10

It will be interesting to see how this is spun But again, it's not an official thing

01:05:17

Well, we'll see where it goes. Well, we'll see where it goes, but it is Quite interesting to See some of this stuff

01:05:28

But um, especially calling for communion with churches. What does that mean? what is What would that communion even look like is?

01:05:37

Is the question hard to know? So anyway, all right, so I don't know how it's all gonna work out on Thursday But we're gonna try to electronically hook up with brother

01:05:53

Luke and apology radio over in Tempe and Do some do a mash -up type show type thing

01:06:01

Talk about what's going on including the the debate and things like that. And so I see a

01:06:09

Microphone coming up. Let me just you know, they used to call this a simulcast And now it's a mash -up.

01:06:14

What's the difference? Simulcast demonstrates that you are a worthless boomer.

01:06:24

Yeah, they did they did call it simulcast But mashup is how you talk to young people

01:06:32

Simulcast is just for us old boomer people Yep, he's might as well accept our fate

01:06:40

We're the old boomer people We put we put the boom in boomer.

01:06:47

Okay, I had not really wanted to say that but Okay, well, we'll go with that.

01:06:54

Um just a reminder I Um We're still a couple things to pray pray about and support issues things like that We have some repairs to do on the

01:07:10

RV a brother out of nowhere Texted me last night hadn't heard from him in a year and only heard from once that point in time and And he has indicated that he's gonna be helping a lot with the fact that On the last trip

01:07:33

I felt a Ridge bump in the floor and The entryway into the front bathroom the main bathroom when the shower is and stuff like that that I'd never felt before it hadn't been there before and you know

01:07:53

The back of your mind you're going is it about to fall apart and then gonna come off, you know Going down the road all sudden.

01:07:59

Oh Things cross your mind They dug into it and it's the

01:08:07

I brought seems to be like a long -term water leak over time and They're gonna have to rip up that floor in there and replace a bunch of stuff

01:08:16

Talking about minimally 5 ,000 bucks. I would say because they said 4 ,000 just in the labor and at least a thousand bucks of materials and So, you know,

01:08:30

I was sort of a bummer rich told me about that Thursday night after he waited till after the debate So let's do not distract me and So, you know, we got to get done

01:08:42

We've got about Six weeks maybe before I pull out next and my next trip.

01:08:49

I'm gonna be going back to Conway to teach apologetics The Apologetics class and intensive if you've been thinking about that, by the way

01:08:57

You want to take a class at Grace Bible Theological Seminary? Take apologetics with me the intensive will be

01:09:04

Thursday Friday and Saturday morning the second weekend of July and then

01:09:10

I'll be heading straight from Conway back to Colorado and I'll be speaking in Dolores in South Western Colorado at first and then going up to Denver We're please pray that we're trying to arrange a debate up there

01:09:27

We've got a bunch of people working on it. So I appreciate everybody who's contacted us But we've got a bunch of people who are already involved in fighting 1312 and stuff like that We're trying to find someone for that we've got a few possibilities, but Well, we'll see what comes of it, but pray that that can come through and That's the next big month -long

01:09:53

Trip to the high country in the Colorado over the summer and then and I some people may have gotten upset about this.

01:10:02

I'm sorry that I know you had the music all queued up there in September as I mentioned before in regards to g3 situation

01:10:13

I had already made the commitment to being in Basically Nashville sort of north of Franklin For the worldview conference with Eli I Eli Ayala Eli that's not an easy name.

01:10:30

Have you thought about Eli Smith or something something along? It would flow a little bit easier Eli Ayala And of course

01:10:38

Jason Lyle the world's smartest man Talking about presuppositional apologetics defending the faith and that's the weekend before That's the

01:10:49

Friday Saturday before g3 was supposed to be happening and I Haven't gotten all this stuff scheduled yet.

01:10:58

I know that one of Chris Arnzen's Advertisers on iron sharpens iron is in Franklin one of the churches is in Franklin And so that's we'll see if that's where I end up maybe on that Sunday preaching or something like that Maybe do one one place in the morning one place.

01:11:13

I don't know how to school but then I was gonna be heading for Atlanta after that.

01:11:20

Well, that's not gonna happen because the weekend after that I'm gonna be up in Carlisle, Pennsylvania with Chris Arnzen for his pastor's luncheon preaching at his church and Then heading home and if you've ever looked at a map, it's a long way from Carlisle, Pennsylvania to Phoenix, Arizona, believe me

01:11:38

Long long trip back that that one's over a month as well Anyway that in between time

01:11:46

We just threw it out to Jeffrey Rice You know, they just got in their new building and he's out doing street ministry and gets hit by a truck and There's been all sorts of costs and I'm sure the lawyers have had to get involved and all the rest of the stuff surgeries and blah blah blah and so we just wanted to invest in Jeffrey and the church there and the ministry there and So we're gonna be heading to Tullahoma.

01:12:15

Well once I told him that He got hold of Keith Foskey Harbor Freight Doug Wilson and We're now doing

01:12:23

Harbor Freight g3 Which could own I know who came up with that one.

01:12:29

That was that's got Keith Foskey written all over it You know Superior theology the whole nine yards.

01:12:36

It's very obviously a Keith Foskey idea But there's already like six or seven guys

01:12:44

You know, you remember Was it early last year? We did the thing in Tullahoma where I did the debate with the guy on the

01:12:50

Weird stuff about Paul the two views and all the rest of that stuff. That was the same group of folks

01:12:56

So it's not they don't do things like this. It's just You know, these are local church conferences instead of something where you've you're renting out the entirety of the

01:13:09

Conference Center in downtown Atlanta or something like that. So you're talking To 300 people not six seven thousand people.

01:13:17

It's a very different context But we're also trying to arrange We're looking at trying to find a debate for that to Jeremiah Nortier is going to be there and he's looking he's good at finding debate partners and stuff like that.

01:13:31

So We're trying to look at that. So that there's there's reason to get the

01:13:38

RV fixed Get her get her back on the road as quick as possible And I want the repairs to get done real fast for one simple reason that most people will not understand

01:13:50

And that is it's sitting at the repair facility it's not undercover right now and We're the summer's summer is going to arrive tomorrow, basically

01:14:02

We're gonna get into the triple digits. We might get a triple digits today But you know, there's some saying 104 107 whatever but it's gonna start getting really hot and we rent a covered space to store the thing and If it's sitting at the repair facility, it's out in the open and you know, that just ages the roof that much faster because The Sun in Arizona, I'm gonna tell you something

01:14:27

You leave any painted thing out in the Sun in Arizona over the summer

01:14:33

You won't recognize it by the end of the summer. It is just am I Rich is going you better believe it.

01:14:40

It's true. The the UV radiation here is Astonishing and So, I hope they get it done fairly quickly do it

01:14:49

Well, but I hope to get it done fairly quickly so I can get her undercover at least for most of June because the

01:14:57

Our all -time record high we haven't beaten it in 30 years 30 years next year

01:15:07

But I was here June 26 1990 June 26 1990.

01:15:13

Well, wait a minute. That is over 30 years. That's 35 years Wow, 35 years since we broke our all -time record.

01:15:22

I was here. I remember walking across a parking lot Feeling like my lungs were going to burst into flames

01:15:29

It was that because I had a black parking lot you're talking 160 degrees easily

01:15:34

It was 122 degrees in the shade Snow the next

01:15:42

December that I don't remember. All I remember is it went 115 118 120 122 120 118 150

01:15:52

Right, right They closed the airport because Boeing had never assumed that any of their jets would be flying above 120 degrees

01:16:00

They didn't know how to set the flaps for the runways. Yeah. Yeah That was that was a warm.

01:16:06

It was a warm spell. So I'd rather not have it sitting out in the Sun I'd like to get it undercover if that is to happen again, because hey, we will eventually break that record and In fact, if all the co2

01:16:21

Climate garbage is true would have broken it long long ago, but it's not

01:16:27

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