They called me up and asked whether I'd come, and I said I'll try and be on the plane tomorrow morning and it didn't quite work out, I had a few, we had a brother's meeting and so I put it off a day, and then I needed to go to Wisconsin for the weekend for a baptism so I said, if we can, let's wait till Friday, I'll be out there Friday and then I need to go to Wisconsin Saturday I got out there we had an appointment for three o 'clock in the afternoon we sat down and listened to her story and she told the whole story of what it was she the doctor was ready to put her on continual medicine for her nerves he said, you cannot go on like this, he said, we're going to have to put you on medicine, and she saw herself, it scared her terribly because she saw herself living as a zombie for maybe the rest of her life, and she was in her twenties, she couldn't bear that she knew what medicine does to people like that and of course, that really grieved her, and finally in desperation like that, she was ready to have help here's her story about, she's married eight years, and not, I think something like that not having children, not being able to have children, went to the black box practitioner, the radio onyx man which we had called the witch doctor in the area, to try to get fertility treatments for her and he put that thing on her later on, she got medical help, and had two children although there was trouble with the children too there was activities in the children that she could never figure out, they were wild, or difficult to control and there was just a lot of problems there, but anyway, there's where she got into trouble, that's what we traced to it, when she went to that, she said when that black box came into this area I wanted nothing to do with it, but little by little, I broke down, and the next thing, my husband wanted me to go try it and so I went, and we tried it and he put that thing on me, and treated me and put my picture into it, and all that and that's when the trouble started she got down on her knees, repentant of the entire thing and I'll tell you we had a revival in that room, that was worthy for anyone to witness her and her husband were fully restored, it was just like a honeymoon after that for them they had a love for each other that they had not known for quite a long time, and all at once the spiritual life came back assurance of salvation came back and incidentally, whenever this kind of involvement takes place, assurance of salvation is foggy and dim and most of the time, I ask them the question, if you died today, do you know for sure you'd go to heaven, they can't tell me yes they usually tell me, I don't know I don't think so, or I'm not sure, and I'm confused, or something like that, anyway tonight, she is instrumental in helping other people, and she is free, and her children are free and there's a difference that the neighborhood, who doesn't even believe in what took place can see with a naked eye and we praise God for it now, praise God last, where am I at here Friday night, the man who did the practicing, 63 year old man he gave his heart to the Lord repented of the whole thing, and he's free, as far as I know, he's everything's fine there, now we begin to see why the dark cloud now we begin to see the reality of what we faced in August, yet there they all are general conference, conservative conference, beachy non -conference men tonight new order Amish, old order Amish they got them all now thank God, that for most of the churches, they had sensed this thing, and didn't want anything to do with the black box, but still they didn't come through clear enough to deal with the issue the way they ought to deal with it, and offer the people deliverance by the power of God, and have a great revival, where they turn the people back to God, you don't just throw that stuff away some of them were putting it into their closets, and not practicing it anymore according to the book Ephesus there, the church of Ephesus you don't put the curious arts in your closets, you make a bonfire, and you get rid of it, and you sing songs of victory that's the way to get rid of witchcraft, you don't put it under the table or in your closet, or in your attic I don't want it in my attic out in Indiana now we discover the same thing, in almost the worst proportion in central Indiana north central, and we haven't been there yet, but a lady comes to us and she's attending our church presently, and she had some questions about some things in her life and finally spilled her beans and she has the same story a similar story, her mother got it from a German Baptist, plain lady and showed her how to do it, and she began practicing it, and you oh this is weird, but you put codes on you, code 14 then you don't give off your cold or your disease to anyone else, and it can be practiced from a thousand, two thousand miles away, on the telephone you go and touch your children, while I talk to you and I can tell you what's wrong with them from two thousand miles away that stuff is going on people believe in it, and the churches aren't prospering, there's been no revival for a long time, nothing is happening, the churches are falling apart some of them, there is trouble on every hand, mental depression sexual immorality, unharnessed appetites and I'll tell you without even going there, that I believe I know what the problem is, it's because they have dabbled in witchcraft for the last couple of generations maybe four or five, and the whole gamut is affected by it or most of them, again I might say eighty percent or so people are vexed, depressed no victory and no assurance.