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Bro. Otis Fisher
Now you're a child of the father, right?
Does God want his very best for you?
No, he doesn't.
Does he want the best for you David.
Does God want his best for you.
Who is but
you're answering based on Myron's answer?
Russell
Greg.
Who is that behind you David?
Paul, does he want his very best for you?
No, you're too late Russell.
That's exactly right there is no best or Or
Anything else with God.
He doesn't have his good better and best.
That's man's viewpoint.
When God does something it is his very best.
And his best doesn't enter into it.
You all understand.
Anybody not understand.
All right.
Open your Bibles to chapter 9 of Romans.
So the answer to the question is no.
Verse 1 I say the truth in Christ.
I lie not My conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy
Ghost this chapter.
That we have worked our way up to Is the doctrine
of election and it's not for newborns.
There's no newborn person in here.
It was at this time that the events of Acts 23 12 took place.
Myron turned to Acts 23 12 and read for us the things
that Took place.
And 23
No read that again.
Now The last we heard of these men Was that they died of
starvation?
Verse 2 that I have great heaviness and Continuous sorrow
in my heart.
Paul was not mentioning the Jews rejection.
I wonder why.
For I could wish that Myself were accursed from Christ
for my brethren my kinsmen according to the flesh.
The word for accursed is anathema.
And what does anathema mean David?
It means physical destruction.
The Apostle here does not speak of this wish as a possible thing.
It's simply of the imminent expression of Feeling showing how
strong his desire was for the salvation of his people.
Paul is saying that he would give his body as a sacrifice for the welfare of his
people.
Much like Moses when he said of God.
Let now if thou Will forgive their sin and if not.
This is in Exodus 32 32 and if not blot me I pray
out of thy book.
Which thou hast written?
He wanted to be blotted out of the book that God has written of the living
now for Who are Israelites to
whom pertaineth the adoption and the glory and the
covenants and the giving of the law and the service of God
and the promises.
Whose are the father fathers and whom as Concerning the flesh of Christ
came who is overall God blessed forever.
Amen.
And John 4 22 we read Ye worship
ye know not what.
We know what we worship.
For salvation is of the Jew.
Now to whom pertaineth the adoption
meaning who had been selected of God as his people.
And on whom he had disallowed Peculiar
privileges.
The glory the visible emblem of the divine presence.
The covenants those were made with their father the giving of the law
the promises.
Those contained in the Old Testament.
Remember this.
God is our last end as well as our first cause.
Let me say that again God is our last end as
Well as our first cause.
Verse 6 not as though the Word of God hath taken none effect for
They are not all Israel which are of Israel.
Seems like a contradiction.
Israel had the visible presence of the Lord.
What was it Myron?
What was the visible presence of the Lord?
Yes, Israel.
Shekinah glory now Paul we don't have the
Shekinah glory with us today.
Why
we have what?
The Holy Spirit, that's right.
Seven.
Neither because they are The seed of Abraham are they all children, but
in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Now we're narrowing it down.
How is it that two people that are saved?
Can produce a child that is the seed of Satan?
Russell,
all right.
The first proof is taken as an example of Abraham's own family
In which Isaac only was Was considered the son
and that by God's ordinance.
Although Ishmael was born of Abraham and
circumcised before Isaac Isaac was the true and natural son
and therefore heir of the blessing.
This battle that's why they're fighting the battle today in the world.
The fight's still going on.
How long will it go on David?
That's exactly right.
That is eight that is they which are the children of the flesh.
These are not the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted
for the seed.
You're not a child of God just because your parents are and
David turned to John 8 39 and 40 and
44.
That seems to be very plain.
Jesus was plain spoken there In verse 9 for this is the
word of promise.
At this time will I come and will I come and Sarah shall have a
son.
Now Myron
Why was Isaac the chosen one?
Are you born elect or do you become the elect?
You're born the elect.
Because Isaac was born the by the power of a promise.
Therefore he was not chosen.
He was not at all chosen Except by the free will of God.
None of us were chosen for any earthly reason
it is totally Absolutely the free will of God
as far as I know.
That's the answer.
In this world now, it may be in the other world.
We'll find something else but not here.
It is the total free will of God.
By which it follows that the promise is the fountain of predestination.
The promise is the fountain of predestination.
And not the flesh from which promise the particular
election proceeds.
That is that the elect are born elect and That they
are not first born and then afterwards elected.
Is that clear to everyone.
I Think you understand
it is God in his free will That predestinates.
Any questions and you all understand?
Who's on the back row over here?
Okay.
Is Debbie with you good and
not only this?
But when Rebecca also I had conceived by one even our father Isaac.
Now this is another strong persuasive proof
taken from the example of Esau Jacob Who were both born of the
same?
Isaac Who was the son of promise and they were
born of one mother?
Mm -hmm, and were born at the same time
and not at different times as Ishmael and Isaac
and yet Nonetheless as Esau was cast off only Jacob was
chosen and that before their births.
We have a record of that.
That neither any goodness of Jacob
Jacob's might be thought to be the cause of his election.
Neither any wickedness of Esau to be the cause of his being cast away
for he.
For the children being not yet born Neither having done away any good
Neither having done any good or evil.
That the purpose of God according to the election Might stand not
of works.
But of him that calleth.
Now is presented to us as a call on earth.
You can refuse a call.
When God calls through Christ you cannot refuse.
This proves that there are two seeds in the world.
And if you go back to Genesis 3 15, I think it is turn back there.
Check me.
Byron read it.
The first place that the seed of Satan is spoken.
Read the next verse.
I will Read it again.
I
sorrow and multiply thy conception.
They're two separate things.
Thy sorrow and thy conception.
Now Paul why did God the Lord have to multiply the woman's conception.
Speak up a little louder.
What did he say David?
That's right.
So he multiplied her conception meaning she was going to conceive many many
more times Than normal.
And why did he have to multiply her conception.
Russell?
Why must there be?
Many many more children born that.
They were both to come into the world at the very beginning.
Those of Satan and those of God.
His mercy does not stand on man's effort.
Church attendance Wednesday night attendance tithing.
Praying witnessing or any other thing.
All is according to the sovereign will of God.
Yes.
That's to be of childbirth.
Period.
All of this is according to the sovereign will of God which has always been the
same.
Now to prove this Greg turned to Daniel 435 and read it.
There are many places where We could go to
prove
we can't question God.
Twelve it was said unto her the elder shall serve the younger
talking about Esau and Jacob.
He proves the casting away of Esau and that he was made servant to
his brother and proves The choosing of
Jacob and that he was made Lord over his brother.
Although his brother was the first begotten and in order that no man might
take What God has said and offer it to external things?
The Apostle shows out of the out of Malachi,
it's a good interpreter of Moses that the servitude of Esau
Was joined with the hatred of God and the lordship of Jacob
Was the love of God in Malachi 121.
I have loved you saith the Lord yet.
You say wherein hast thou loved us was not Esau Jacob's brother.
Saith the Lord yet.
I loved Jacob 3 -6 for I am the
Lord.
I change not.
Therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
If the Lord changed one dot We'd all be consumed.
I think of the ramifications of that.
This is the Lord speaking.
Mm -hmm 913 as it is written.
Jacob have I loved but Esau have I hated for years.
I Tried to read that that God loved Jacob less,
but don't fall into that trap.
God hated Esau.
To hate.
Myron give me the definition of hate
and God hated Jacob or Esau.
What shall we say then?
Is there unrighteousness with God?
God forbid.
Now David tell me why do you hate something?
I suppose that you do.
They hate somebody someplace.
Myron tell me why do you love something?
It's your character.
We hate or we love because of the person
no Other person they are.
We hate or love someone Because of his person because of what he
does or doesn't do.
How he's acted in other words of physical life.
The first objection.
If the Lord loves or hates without any consideration of worth
worthiness or unworthiness.
Then is the unjust because he may love those Who are unworthy
and hate those who are worthy?
The Apostle detests this blasphemy and
Afterward responds to it in depth point by point
man knows no other cause of love or hatred
but those that are in the persons and
Thereupon this objection arises.
That's why they raise the objection.
See man cannot hate or love because of the invisible
spirit.
Because of the Holy Spirit.
Now I know the we're guided and everything we do and say but set that
aside.
Not that you can but for he saith
to Moses I Will have mercy on whom I will have mercy and I will
have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
God has always done that which he desires.
I say of 4013 who has directed the Spirit of the Lord
or Being his counsel or has taught him.
With whom took he counsel and who instructed him and taught him in
the paths of judgment and taught him knowledge
and showed to him the way of Understanding.
Who is there among you that did this?
Of course, we'd have to say no one I will not have mercy
on those that I hate and I will not have compassion on those That I will not.
So then it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth.
But of God that showeth mercy.
Salvation is not due to the one who is willing
or war or that he wants to.
Or that someone else wants to neither is it due to anyone
working for it?
It is all according To what
the will of God the will of the Father.
Salvation is not ever due.
Salvation is not due to you.
It is not due you
17 for the scripture saith Unto Pharaoh even
for this same purpose.
Have I raised thee up?
That I might show my power in thee and that my name might
be declared throughout the earth.
Now he answers concerning this reprobate are those
Whom God hates Born or
not yet born and as appointed to destruction Without
any respect of their unworthiness.
Then first of all, he proves this to be true By
aligning the trust testimony of God himself
if Concerning Pharaoh whom he stirred up to this purpose.
That he might be glorified in Pharaoh's hardening and
just punishment.
How was God glorified Russell in
Pharaoh hardening his heart and Rejecting to let the people
go.
How is that to bring glory to God?
God says Pharaoh.
I brought you into this world for this one purpose and When you have finished that
purpose, I'll take you out of this world.
He says the same thing to the evil today.
You are here for a specific purpose.
And when you have ended that purpose, you'll be gone.
He has said the same thing to us.
That are his purpose.
Paul brings the goal of God's counsel.
To show that there is no unrighteousness in him.
Well David what is God's main goal?
Is it the destruction of the wicked?
Could we say that his goal is to have us with him
the father?
To
have
us
that's.
Exactly, right.
Yes, we should look on the wicked today
as Working God's will among us.
That's hard to do.
I fight against it emotionally spiritually physically and
Rightly, so in Proverbs 16 for the Lord hath made
all things the Lord Christ
Has made all things for himself.
Yea, even the wicked for the day of evil Will
stop right there begin
with Romans 9.
Is there?
Anything that you'd like to question?
Yes,
Romans 9.
Let me look
Malachi 1 2 and Malachi 3
6.