Dead Men Walking Podcast: Luke Pierson talks Apologia Radio and the latest abortion laws in Arizona

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Well, hello everyone. Welcome back to another episode of dead men walking. I'm your host Greg and to my left is mr.

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Jason Hamlin Hey, what's up? How you doing? Jason? Great. Great. Good to see you again, brother

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You too, man you know this is becoming my favorite part of the week when we get to sit down and just Talk and be a couple knuckleheads

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Absolutely, and you know, we've got a great guy on the Yeah line today.

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He's actually second guest returning guest Yeah, we like to bring the great Adam. Yeah, we like to bring the great ones back.

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That's right It's like you just don't watch one rock. Uh -huh. You don't watch one Star Wars. Nope. You don't watch one

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Well, maybe do well. Yeah, I haven't ever seen one Star Wars We just we're on we're on eight of nine now

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I hadn't seen him until up to two weeks ago, but taking my kids through him right now That's and explaining to him everything ungodly about it.

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So it's a good teaching. It's a good teacher There you go. You know, the force is not the Holy Spirit Christians. Okay.

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All right But we have someone on the line who's returning and he's gonna sit in with us for the full episode

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We're gonna do newsy news and all that but we do want to introduce him first. Mr. Luke Pearson of Apologia Radio.

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How are you? Yeah, yeah, absolutely

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I'm gonna crank your audio just a little bit so we get a little more of you and So, yeah for those of you listening who heard before but for the new listeners

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Luke why don't you tell us a little bit about yourself? I know you're with Apologia. I know you're with red state reform I know you're doing stuff with end abortion now.

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I mean, you're just such a busy guy Tell tell the people about yourself

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Yeah, so I My family and Jeff Durbin's family. We planned

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Apologia Church together. Oh 11 11 years ago this month.

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So a couple weeks would be 11 years and So we originally started Apologia Christian Ministries back in 2008 and there's a whole long story

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I won't bore you with today but plan the church 2010 and Then we started

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Apologia Radio. I guess would be eight years ago,

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I think and Apologia Studios five years ago, and then we're just now entering year four friend abortion now and A year for red state reform.

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So yeah, we we do a lot And we keep ourselves busy, but God is good to us.

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So yeah, absolutely And I know Apologia Radio has ministered to both Jason. Oh, yeah and what you guys do out there and it's crazy because you guys get a lot of national attention even within the

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Christian community of what is going on and sometimes you guys are lack of a better term not trend center center, but Other churches do look to what you're doing and I know you've been holding strong in the pro -life advocacy movement

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We're gonna get into that in a little bit here But first we like to do a segment called Newsy news where we just talk a little bit about maybe current events current events or politics or religion or sometimes just something fun

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We pull a couple news Articles out Luke you feel more than welcome to jump in and comment

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Let's do some newsy news The news the news the news the news

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Yeah, all right, all right, so what's our first thing we're gonna talk about here Jay yeah, yeah, so this past week

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There is a cryptocurrency that's been popping and it's called Dogecoin I know nothing about Cryptocurrency whatsoever.

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I see Bitcoin is all the way up to Forty four thousand a day or something per coin

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Because Tesla just actually bought a billion and a half like a billion. Yeah. Yeah coins, but anyway

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Dogecoin was built off of a meme. Yeah, this is the doge dog

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And this thing started around point zero zero four ish or two ish or something less than a penny

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Don't quote me But right now it is up to eight cents and a lot of investors are jumping on I mean we have everyone from Elon Musk who says that he is the self -appointed

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CEO of Dogecoin Gene Simmons is involved now

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Snoop Dogg's on board Snoop Dogg is on board. There's a lot of people in the hip -hop community But yeah, this is this is just an interesting

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Thing that's going on right now within the investment community. So yeah, so there's all kinds of cryptos out there

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Yeah, and some of them really makes sense because basically Crypto is backed by time.

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So it takes so long to create the crypto just like our money Unfortunately, like our

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American dollar. It's not backed by anything. We went off the gold standard in the 70s We can just print it out of thin air through the

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Federal Reserve. So a lot of people are Gravitating towards crypto. Yeah, because they see it almost as a safer bet than the

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American dollar Which most the American dollars down right now, right? I mean, yeah, I wouldn't be surprised.

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Yeah. Yeah But yeah, I mean the I think Tesla's trying to get it to where you can buy their their products with Bitcoin I mean, that's huge backing.

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Yeah a Bitcoin because it was on the fringes just two or three years ago, Luke So, what do you think? Are we gonna add Luke Pearson to the name of celebrities?

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That's gonna invest in crypto Actually, uh, it's a long story, but my wife's cousin just just did buy some of that Yes, I think we had like 30 bucks we had given them for another thing and they were like, hey

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We're gonna jump dump this money into the dogecoin if you guys nice Family and I was like, all right go for it

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I Actually Yeah, yeah, hey just just ride it out, you know, is it is it biblical to invest guys is is that a

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I think so I think there's some parables about investing. Yeah, definitely Yes, that's another one

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Yeah. Yeah, I put in an order for some silver and missed out by two cents So I didn't get my yeah my order for silver shares

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Yeah, it's it's crazy. I think you use wisdom and discernment and everything we do including investing, right?

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So you mean put put your money in a in a slot machine and pull up. Oh, you know, right? Let's move on to the second story.

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Yeah. Yeah good. What do we have? So I found this one because this was on our radar because we just had

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Doreen virtue on we had the cultish guys on we had Stephen bank cars on all within the last 90 days

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Yeah had this really weird like two months of kind of new agey kind of many Our theme right?

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Yeah, and back in the news Christianity today Just did an article on the Enneagram and they said can we do better than the

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Enneagram? Although it points although the pastors point to the Lord When we look at it, it was very soft article actually and it just says it looks like it could be rooted in Humanistic and in mysterious, you know mysticism you think can we do better than Enneagram?

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So I just went whoa, this is something that even the boys at cultish which obviously has a link with Luke here.

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Yeah They've been talking about that for like a year and a half, right? And now we have mainstream

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Christianity starting to question it and they should be they should be right I just thought it was funny because it felt like such a subculture sub

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Christian culture issue. You'd talk to people they go Yeah, I know about it. There's nothing wrong with it but you're talking to the

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Stephen bank cars and the cultish guys and the Jeremiah, you know, Roberts and the Doreen virtues and they're like no, right, right.

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I mean this is firmly a new age this is the same thing as Christians going to astrology to try to figure out what's gonna go on next week or yeah

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They're how they're months gonna go or whatever, you know, I know I know a lot I won't say a lot, but I know too many

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Christians that take root in like fortune cookies and like horoscopes

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Yeah, I'm like really yeah, I don't know It's unfortunate, but I thought that was a news article to bring up you can check it out the self -help movement

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That is upending American Christianity Forge pick that up. So did Christianity today?

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Yeah, and then what do we got for our last one? Oh, we have some legislation going on in Arizona right now

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This was picked up by PBS NewsHour Which I don't really read PBS, but I did for this one because we have the gentleman that's taking part

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Yeah, I was gonna say do we know anyone that that's a Jesus only we knew someone we could talk to about this Oh, wait a minute.

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Yeah, so it's it's an article basically saying that the legislature state legislatures out in Arizona with the help of Some lobbyists

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I guess you could call them. We'll see what he likes to be referred to as are working some bills through the legislation to Essentially make not only abortion illegal.

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He can speak better to this but also the repercussions. Yeah If you commit homicide if we truly believe abortion is murder

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Then there needs to be repercussion for committing murder, right? And that's actually all over the internet right now I've seen it go viral some

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Luke's videos Obviously if you just type in abortion legislation in Arizona on Google, you've got like a hundred different You know articles coming up So Luke you guys are creating some waves with this and that's why we want to have you on so we'll get right into it right now you're working with Arizona legislature

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Through red state reform if I'm if I'm correct talk a little bit about that. What's that work and tell yeah

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No, I appreciate that. I did see that article from PBS and I'm I was surprised

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PBS picked it up I'm glad for that. I won't say the article was awful

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You know any exposure with this I guess is good exposure so it's funny if you read the article they the only

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Conservative pro -life person that interviewed was Walt Blackman who is our state rep that's sponsoring the bill

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Yeah, everyone else they interviewed was just a bunch of liberal pro -death people and stuff.

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Yeah Yeah, no, I appreciate that so actually so red state reform is the 501c4 we started last year which is a lobbyist group and then we actually

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Started with our action for life Which you can go to it's take action for life org is a website for it but action for life is

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It's our pro -life Project of Red state reform.

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So that's focusing strictly on ending abortion in our nation. So so we

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We're working. I'm I'm in I'm with that and with an abortion now, so I'm coming from both angles on that but So, yeah 5 -1 -3 -4 that's our lobbyist group action for life right the state and then how's the end abortion now is our prophetic gospel driven side that's a ministry of apology at church, so we

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Working with Walt Blackman. Like I said, he's our one of our state reps here in Arizona awesome, awesome, man, very bold courageous and He so we did on January 22nd was the day that we dropped the bill.

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That was the anniversary of Roe v. Wade And so we dropped that bill and right now it's waiting to be put into committee, but it is a complete total abolition bill actually

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Abortion is already illegal in Arizona 13 Arizona State Bill 13 dash 3603

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It's been on it's been illegal since Roe v. Wade really they put this law into place after Roe v.

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Wade in 70s and it's just not being enforced. So essentially what we've done is

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Taking that bill that's on the books and made it better and right now it's illegal You know,

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I just said it I think the doctor gets one to five years in jail or something

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Something silly like that. So it is it is illegal. We like I said, we took the bill we made it better Strengthened it essentially saying we're gonna defy

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Roe and The Rose Roe v. Wade is a court opinion. It's not law and You know, and so essentially what we've done is we've made

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Life back. It's it's called the life at conception act. So essentially we've you know, say that the life begins at conception and so that the the baby in the womb should be treated as human being outside of the womb so You know naturally

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Murder is a homicide right? And so homicide the criminal code for that act and so That's essentially what that bill is doing.

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So that's yeah, that's the bill itself. That's where it's at right now We're kind of waiting for it to go to committee So where did this come from?

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How long have you guys been working on it? And whose kind of idea was it to? Go to the legislature and say hey this needs to be implemented.

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Was this a plan? Yeah that took a long time or in the works. Yeah. Yeah. Great question

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So, I mean essentially when we started in abortion now, like I said, we're going into year four we kind of We had already been doing a local abortion mill ministry and what kind of spurred us on was

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The situation, Oklahoma. I don't know if you guys saw that at all, but there's a group there free the states

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Actually, they're having a conference right now. Pastor Jeff is actually just landed in Oklahoma City So they've been trying to get past similar bills for the last few years and essentially it was not essentially

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It literally was being held up by the pro -life by National rights alike

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Tony Lauer here who was the vice president of that of national rights alike. He was stopping the bill

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He was telling the Republican Legislators not to vote on this bill, you know

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It was the same bill It was criminalizing abortion immediately and ending it once and for all and not trying to put into place all these little incremental

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Bills like, you know, make sure the facility's clean and stuff like that. So we saw that happening and And that was it was actually kind of crazy because Jeff was actually on the phone with Tony Launger at the time

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Doing an interview with him, which you can see on our YouTube channel and While he was doing that myself and Marcus Pittman were in the background

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Like man, we got it. We got to do something like we need to do something more And so we're like, I wonder

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I wonder if in abortion now .com is available He looked it up and it sure enough.

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It wasn't when I was like buy it We bought the website The point is really since then we've been you know, we realized like we need to do more

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As Pro -lifers like, you know, we need to do more than just wait for Roe v.

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Wade to be overturned We need you know, we have more responsibility than that. So really since then we've been taught

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We've gotten to know a lot of people that are doing similar bills and around the state Rusty Thomas if you know him, he's our father in this fight, you know

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So we've been in a lot of input and help from him Bradley Pierce who was a constitutional lawyer in Texas They're doing a similar thing in Texas the last few years.

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And so he's the lawyer that actually Wrote the bill. He's a good friend of ours you know, so we've got a lot of help

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Zach loudenschlager who's been tremendous and so Really?

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Honestly for three years for three years, we've been trying to get something going here in Arizona and We've we've known about walk black while black men for for two years he's going into it third year right now and We've known about him for two years.

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We've been it's a long story. We were trying to get connected with him We made a lot of attempts and it was just like the pieces weren't

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You know fitting together and it was just wasn't happening. And then this last year God provided an opportunity for us to meet meet with him and to sit down and talk to him and Right away he he was like, yeah, let's do this.

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I'm in let's do this and There's a there's a long another it's a cool story, but it's a long story about how that happened

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They came together, but the point is really since last I'm trying to maybe

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August somewhere around there. Maybe I can't remember exactly when what date that was, but since then it's we've just been like pushing forward with that and and we got the bill written this last fall and So, yeah,

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I would say here in Arizona, it's been a it's been a three -year process getting to this point Yeah, you guys you guys were going to City Council Speaking to them.

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Oh, yeah as a church as well a while ago. I remember seeing those videos man so impactful

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I mean, what was the what was the reception to the response like? Just from the local level, you know before you got to the state level

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I mean what what was going on? I mean, it's you know in Arizona at the local level. Yeah So I think it was about two years ago.

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We started doing that pastor Jack Morgan was the first one to do it. Yeah So we were going to Phoenix City Council, which is now the fifth largest city in the

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United States. Hmm, and so they were I think it was every other week they were meeting and so we were going and at first they would put the they always had a time for for Citizens to speak and so you basically had to get there early and still a card and it was like the first five

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That came and signed up they could speak and whatever they wanted So they used to have it at the beginning of the thing of the

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City Council meeting so we would go first we did that a number of times and then they kind of wise up to it and Moved it to the end of their council meeting.

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So they'd make it sit there the whole time and wait, you know So sometimes it might be an hour. So I think one time we waited three hours

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Yeah, and so they push it to the back and we're like, all right, we'll wait, you know So they basically gave you two minutes you get up say whatever you wanted so we waited and we got to the end we started doing that and then

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They found they found some loophole. So like call quorum on us And so literally they would let other people speak and then if any of us got up and started mentioning abortion

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They would just call quorum and end it. So we haven't really gone back because We they kind of found a way to shut it down and then

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COVID hit anyways And so they weren't even meeting so or at least not where we can attend probably

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So it was going really great. I mean It was cool because I mean so what you asked locally

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Yeah, it was it was encouraging just to see a lot of you know Christian kind of get behind that and be supportive and we have you know, we have

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I think the most I ever saw was maybe like 50 people at a City Council meeting Sort of yeah, and so that was really cool

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And and I know we I know we made an impact even if it didn't really show because I Now that I'm getting to know some of our local legislators and stuff saying they know who we are and yeah

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You know, and so there's there's been some impact from that I think the coolest thing about that though was just to see the impact it made nationally.

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Yeah We started putting the videos up and actually we were even live -streaming. I think at first and And then we were seeing people pop up all around the nation doing the same thing

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And I don't know if you guys saw some of those. Yeah, I did totally. Okay, so we had you know We had several little kids go up young as 10 or 11 or 12 something like that and you know, they're standing up there calling our our

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City Council to repent And It was amazing and then you start seeing that pop up and I don't know if you saw the one there was a little black

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Girl, she was probably like eight years old and she gets up in front of the City Council I think they were probably like all all white people and she just laid into them with the gospel calling to repent

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It was it was really awesome. Wow Yeah, so unfortunately, I think a lot of those City Councils have figured out how to how to stop that So we're kind of trying to figure out a different different method

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I'll tell you the method as a locally elected official myself First of all, how audacious of them to try to stop the public that pays their salary

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Yeah to freely speak at an open meetings act under both the state and federal

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Constitution Okay You know how you fix that you primary the heck out of them and you put godly men and women in place of them and you run a campaign and you get them the heck out of there because I have no patience for Any type of elected official that feels that they're up here right and and you know, the voters are down here

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Oh, no, you don't get to speak. Excuse me First of all, I pay your salary second of all I have a right to vote third of all you're going to listen to me because you work for me

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So do your job that's exactly how I talk to elected officials sometimes, you know I don't always but when they act like sometimes they need it.

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Sometimes they need it They need a kick in the butt and I think what you guys did was respectful. I think it was needed

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Yeah, and you did it the exact right way You didn't go in there yelling, you know yelling and flying off the handle and you guys and this net right?

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It was respectful. It was under control And for them to try to use quorum rules or to use

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Robert rules of order to try to get around Quiet, you know basically shutting someone up. That's ridiculous.

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Yeah, that's the kind of local officials. You don't need right? I would say you you call me if you got some people out there that want a primary and I'll even send them some money

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Organize a campaign because that's ridiculous. I have no patience for that, right and it was very impactful over here

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I mean, especially online. I mean you saw more and more churches signing up as well for end abortion now

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Materials you guys are sending out for free To help, you know around the country

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Can you can you expound on that a little bit? I I don't really know everything that you guys really send out is that like is there a pamphlets

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DVDs? Like like what exactly are you guys? Given to churches that want to get involved

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Yeah, no, I appreciate that So basically when a church or ministry signs up with an abortion

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The process is a you go online you can fill out this form and essentially you're so in abortion now

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It's just basically it's a it's a banner, you know, it's it's an umbrella It's not like we're not it's your self -autonomous if you join and we're not we're not standing over everyone, right?

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They signed they agree to a basic, you know gospel message essentially and But what's unique about what we're doing is

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I have to go through the local church, right? So in order to be signed up under you have to have the approval and accountability

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Protection of your local church. So some of our some of our we always say our churches because they have to go through the church

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But some of them are actually, you know pastors they're doing it Other one other groups are separate ministries that they've started that are under the accountability of the church.

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So So once they go through that process They're approved. They get they get in with the a and then essentially the kit we send out is

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Signs, so there's a couple different signs they get One of them is a big graphic sign and they get tracks

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Material to help them in the fight, you know, just practical stuff for Engaging at the abortion mill and you know, so I guess it's a pamphlets tracks

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They get a cone. Yeah, like a cheerleading cone, you know sort of a thing so they can you know

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Project their voices and stuff. So basically it's everything that they would need in a kit to get them started, right?

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It sounds like it sounds like a discipleship pastor was a part of that I know somebody that's a your discipleship pastor out there, right?

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That's awesome man, yeah, so it kind of sounds like a grassroots movement but through the church

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So anyone can kind of start their only little end abortion now or be part of that group as long as it goes through A church and they probably agree to some, you know, you know core rules and doctrines

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But it's not like you have to physically go out and set up a building or have a board there

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It's kind of grassroots II and it's kind of cool so you can just like you say get that material from you and then hey

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In my community, I'm the leader for this little end abortion now deal, right? Yeah, so essentially, yeah, you're right.

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So we actually have We're hit close close to 700 churches now

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Globally global. Yeah Seven seven nations. So not just not just a few.

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I praise God. Amen. Praise God Southern Ireland Scotland Australia and So, so yeah, basically like you said, you're right so You start your own little ministry under, you know, they kind of your local church and in Basically our what we want to do is just help support and help provide resources and training, you know so once you sign up we also have a

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Like a portal essentially you can go to where we have all kinds of training We have an an app for everyone that's in as it's part of an abortion now so you can talk to everyone essentially

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Communicate with everyone and you can go, you know by look by your state or whatever to ask questions and stuff so that's been really cool and Matt I'm actually to the point one thing we want to do this year because it's grown so much and even the last year is

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I'm working on hopefully setting up state reps So people that we know that we trust if we vetted

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Will be you know, we appoint person essentially for each state. So There's other ministries, you know, obviously with 700 churches.

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There's more than one. Yeah ministry per state, right? So they'll be able to communicate more locally

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And then even like, you know guys if ministries run out of their resources like the signs and the tracks and stuff like that We you know, we were able to get them

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We're able to get all the supplies to our teams our churches for cost so they're not, you know, they're not having

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Spend a ridiculous amount of money for these supplies. So I get really good done all that stuff

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So it's really we're able to help that way as well. Okay, Luke. I'm gonna pull a Presidential press secretary here.

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I'm a circle back on. Oh, you just said We got dad jokes and so you you made it you made mention to the fact that there was people in the pro -life movement that was

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Objecting to the stuff you're doing in Arizona to actually deem abortion as homicide and have criminal repercussions

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Why do you think there's Christian pushback on that? I talked to any pro -life advocate I say do you believe abortion is the mass the majority of them will say absolutely

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So then why wouldn't why shouldn't there be criminal repercussions for homicide for murder

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You're getting pushback within the Christian community. I even know of some people Here locally and that have that I'm friends with and that's even been on this podcast that kind of cringe and bristle when you start talking about criminal repercussions for a crime

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But it is if we say abortion is murder, then there should be repercussions Why do you think it is that Christians push back on that and even people in the pro -life movement?

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Yeah, great question, so There's a couple different reasons why

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No, the number one reason is that the pro -life Industry and we call it the pro -life industry

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That name alone should help explain what yeah, there's a lot of much. There's a lot of money going on We'll say that so the number one thing is they don't want to call

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They don't want to call the mother a murderer the same person who is hiring an assassin to They won't call the mother a murderer and So that's the number one reason and so that's something we're constantly fighting against even with this bill

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We've already encountered that which we knew we would you know, and so so essentially

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The way so like even our bill, so this is how these bills are structured it's like People people just assume that I mean people literally say oh you just want to you just want to kill my mother

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No, I don't But you know just like any other crime just like any other homicide

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If this was put into place and abortion truly was illegal and being enforced if a mother was found, you know was

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Aborted and Her baby murdered her child like she would have to go before a court before a jury and have a trial just like any other homicide, right and So I'm bad to say like are there mothers that are possibly forced to have abortions?

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Yeah, absolutely Are there mothers that? Maybe Don't know what they're doing very slim

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Very very ever happen but those are possibilities and they and if they were to go before court and The court found them not guilty when they wouldn't you know, you feel you're promised that they wouldn't receive the tell me for murder and But the majority of the time we see women go in and we have countless videos of women

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Going in to have an abortion. They know exactly what they're doing They know it's a child and they'll say it to us like I have the right to murder my child

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Like they know what they're doing, right and but the pro -life industry doesn't want to call those mothers murderers essentially and so Part of the reason

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I think that is if you look at the major and I've actually I have a couple different talks up on our YouTube channel talk about this extensively but Part of the reason why the mate the majority of the major pro -life

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Groups in our nation are Roman Catholic at the root, right? So they're one they're not gospel centered and so they're they're starting off wrong there, but we've interviewed

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The presidents of these groups the main players in these groups and they all say the same thing They won't call the mother a murderer and part of that.

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I do believe is because of the Roman Catholic influence because If they were to do that Abortion and actually abortion is the first Sin listed on the mortal sin.

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They got beanie on the immortal It's the very first one listed and so if if someone was convicted of abortion

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They'd be a murderer and there they've committed a mortal sin and cannot essentially go to heaven, right?

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You know, and so that's that's I think a lot of where that influence has started or where it's coming from now that You know, that's the root you there's a lot of people in the pro -life

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A lot of Christians the gospel -believing Christians who just want to end abortion. They don't want to see babies murdered

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You know, they're they're obviously not of that perspective, but they don't understand that that's the root behind a lot of this

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But there are a lot of Christians who love Jesus who love love the gospel and they they don't want to call

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Mothers murderers, you know because they know mothers that have had abortions and vote for Joe Biden Groups that like want to like start under in abortion now and their pastor

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Don't want them to or at least at least they'll support them, but say hey like, you know, we're not gonna call

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Abortion murder at least we're not gonna call the mothers murderers, you know Yeah, they don't want people, you know, cuz then then you know, and I'm like what as a pastor

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I'm going well Then you know, they're failing at their job as a pastor because they're not they're not making shepherding

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Making decisions based upon principle and truth But would we do this with any other subject in the church?

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Do you I mean do we do this with it whitewash any other well, you know He was kind, you know, his wife really wasn't living up to his expectations

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She was out all night. She wasn't, you know doing her wifely duties. And so he murdered her

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So it's not really murder though. It's you know, we shouldn't prosecute him. He had good reason

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It's like we don't do that with any other Crime though and and I feel that you know in the further we get into woke and liberalism

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Christianity where I'm even seeing with the pro -life movement a lot of people hopping on this and and do not mistake this

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This is a liberal tactic To include from life to you know from cradle to death pro -life so now you have to have be part of all these government programs for underserved and underprivileged and Welfare state and all these things.

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Is it good to help people? Yes, it is Christ commands us to but he commands us personally He did not say steal a bunch of people's money.

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Give it to a government to then help other people. That is not Christian So we're even seeing in this liberal kind of push within Christianity to force

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The pro -life advocates to come alongside Their kind of agenda. Yeah, you know and say oh well if you're gonna be pro -life

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You also have to be pro -welfare and in pro government programs and in pro public schools and pro all this stuff

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And I'm seeing some pro -life advocates slip into that and going. Okay. Yeah, because it's a softer more acceptable by our society

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Stance when in fact the Christian stance stands in direct opposition of the secular stance

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Like we should not be acquiescing to the secular culture. The secular culture needs to acquiesce to the gospel culture

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That's why I was so excited to have you on Yeah, because you guys are actually going the exact exact opposite direction that I feel the pro -life movement is kind of floundering at right now

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They're softening their stance. Well, we shouldn't have criminal repercussions that we should support everyone through government programs

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And yet you guys are going no look at we need to call it exactly what it is. And we actually want our state

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Representatives to create bills for this What's your timeline on that? It's in committee right now

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But do you I mean you can't really tell honestly with state bills I've worked I worked here in our Capitol and sometimes it can be in and out in two weeks sometimes they can linger there for a year depends on what they want to do, but do you have a

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Projected timeline on seeing the light of day to maybe even getting this to a vote once it comes out of committee It's actually not in committee.

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Yeah, it's it's kind of in limbo. So we're waiting for it to be a time You know, and you know how this works.

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So basically, okay the you know, the house president Is sitting on it right now, so Does it have any co -sponsors?

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Yeah, it has eight eight. I think co -sponsors Yeah, then it needs to get into committee or he could face repercussions as your house speaker, right?

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So here's so here's part of the problem and I think is it to? Kind of go back to we were talking about a minute ago.

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So in Arizona There's the Center for Arizona Policy that they've been like the main conservative lobbyist group for 20 -30 years or something here in Arizona.

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They basically all the conservative legislation come through them. They're lawyers write everything They've done all those pro -life bills that are garbage if you ask me, but they're they're the ones that have done it

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So we we know we know them. We know the president is Kathy Harrod We've we've known her a long time we've met with her we've prayed with her, you know, she's she's a

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Christian and And this is what's crazy so So the 22nd we had the rally

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Dropped the bill that later that day. She starts posting on her Facebook page and tweeting out

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That you know, they're very pro -life and they want to end this and all that but they're they won't She just straight says we won't call we won't support anything that calls mothers murder essentially

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Yeah, I think I saw some of that Yeah, and so we actually talked about last week an apology or radio if you're able to pick all that up So that was the same day no, she's the main voice in the pro -life movement here in Arizona, right and in the pro -life industry and so we were doing this radio show last last week and Literally as we're doing the show

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Jeff's talking and I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna see what pro -life bills they have going on right now So I pull off the one and it actually just got read in the state

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Senate I think it was maybe even approved in the state Senate the other day and you know, it's the same typical like, you know, we're this bill make sure that a

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Board of babies are buried or cremated, you know stuff like that There was a bunch of stuff and then at the very end it kind of threw in this

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They actually were trying to repeal The portion of the existing law that that makes the mother a criminal for having an abortion.

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So here we are you know saying here we are trying to put this bill in that upholding the existing law that the mother is a criminal that has an abortion and they

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On the flips that are playing this for this bill trying to repeal that section of it And I could

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I was like, oh my goodness. I couldn't even believe what I just read She's actually doing us a favor

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Because she's shown her her colors and absolutely, you know, make sure everyone knows what's going on And then she will be held accountable.

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So that's partially why It's being held up right now because you have all these I mean our

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Arizona can legislatures primarily conservative and we have a majority house and and Senate and You know

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Republicans over governor all that And it's being held up because the pro -life industry that's controlled all all of the conservative legislators for so long

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It's saying, you know don't support this bill. But now they they're putting a peculiar position where you know

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They're gonna have to Answer for why they're not supporting this bill. Yeah, and we've also we've also

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Let's see, I don't think actually there's a there's a separate bill we're gonna put in but I don't think it's been dropped in You're working on that also help support some of that.

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But anyways, that's the last what's going on with it right now Yeah, cool. Jason. You got anything else for Luke as we wrap this up put some book

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Yeah, I guess I was just gonna speak to the listeners just real quick Um, you guys really need to check out everything that we've been talking about today and abortion now

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For sure, there's two movies out there called end abortion now and They will impact your life and Yeah, I mean this this is the real deal man.

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These guys are out there on the street But they are putting in the work. They're they're loving these women and and you know sharing the gospel

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First and foremost, this is not you know something that I don't know.

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I didn't even know about it before I started watching a lot of these videos I mean these guys were they got guns pulled on them.

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They've been spit on they've been hit I mean, there's a lot of stuff going on at these abortion mills over life and they are fighting for life and Yeah, I'm just excited about everything that that's going on and it just continues to grow

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I mean you guys started with that mustard seed man, and it is growing and it's awesome to see and yeah

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Thank you guys so much for the work that you're doing Luke Yeah, I really do and just for as a correction that film if there's the films our babies are murdered here.

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Oh, yeah That's right. I'm sorry. No, you're good man. So Marcus Pittman did that and babies are still murder here

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Yeah, babies are murdered here. They're both free on YouTube. But that's the one that's the film that Started off that got us involved in in this fight and then we dropped

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Baby, they're still murdered here. I guess That was yeah to you. Yeah, so Yeah, so they're both free on YouTube and then like I said, you can you can go to end abortion now calm

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Is the website for that and and and forgive me? I'm just taking Liberty and promoting myself here because I know how this goes when you're wrapping up shows

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Please yeah a friend of the show brother do whatever you want. So so yeah So in abortion and I come and then like I mentioned you the five ones before we started in red state reform

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Red state reform calm and then And that's national correct Like if there's people in other states that want to get this going what you're doing you could do it in other states

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So we actually are we are Talking. Well, there's third. I think one dropped out, but there's 12 states right now

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Trying to put in a similar bill. And so we're trying to help them 13 other states that we've had conversations with Wow so yeah, so it's national and then like I said to take action for life is actually the the project the pro -life project and so that's take action, but life org and then of course you can check out our stuff on apology of studios and So we have a youth our

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YouTube channel apology studios and then the website called issues calm and apology at church

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Well, gee, well So I I put the links up for everyone on YouTube and through Apple and Google and Pandora and everything when we release the podcast

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I'm gonna have like you're gonna have a long list team links to Luke here But we do tell our listeners make sure you go support him what he's doing the red state reform

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Luke We'll talk offline to about getting Michigan moved in that direction as well. Our leadership just switched over after the election

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Although we have Gretch the wretch here as governor. We could still get stuff started.

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You know how it works in politics You can get bills they can sit for a little bit, but who knows what will happen here in Michigan governor wise in 2022

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But Luke, thank you so much for coming on brother We do appreciate you and hopefully we can have you back when this sucker gets to You know gets through the the chambers.

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Yeah, and who knows we might be talking to you after it's signed into law But we love you brother.

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