July 12, 2021 Show with Dr. Jason M. Garwood on “The Warrenton Declaration on Medical Mandates, Biblical Ethics & Authority”

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12th day of July 2021, and I'm thrilled to have back on the program

Dr. Jason M. Garwood, who is teaching pastor at Cross and Crown

Church in Northern Virginia, a writer, activist, professor at Cross and Crown Seminary,

and author of Health for All of Life, a medical manifesto of hope and healing for

the nations.

Today, we are going to be addressing the Warrington Declaration on Medical Mandates,

Biblical Ethics, and Authority.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Dr. Jason M. Garwood.

Thank you so much, Chris.

I'm happy to be with you again.

We're doing well, the ministry's doing well, and I'm honored to come on and talk about this topic, which is

exceedingly important, given the past couple of years.

So I'm hoping we can dive in and hopefully answer some questions later.

Great.

Well, before we go into the main theme at hand, the Warrington Declaration, tell our

listeners about Cross and Crown Church in Northern Virginia.

Sure, yeah.

Cross and Crown Church, we are a Reformed congregation.

We started up in the fall of 2017.

I've been pastoring in Michigan for about seven years at a fairly larger church in the

northeastern part of Michigan in the Thumb area.

And I just felt the Lord impressing upon my heart that we needed to come here and plant.

And so my friend Jordan was already here, and we put a small group, core group together, and we

said we really want to carry out this vision all of Christ's and moved here to

start this work and have been very active.

And you mentioned there in my biography, being an activist, I think Christian, born -again

Christian, Christian activist, sort of redundant, that type of thing.

I think to be a Christian is to be active in His kingdom.

And so that's what our hope has been is to preach and teach the comprehensive gospel

of the kingdom that Jesus Christ came to establish and work that out.

And whether that's seeking to abolish human abortion or reel in the

megalithic Leviathan that is the state, we want to see the gospel go

forward in everywhere.

So that's our mission.

That's our goal.

And crosscrownchurch .com, lots of material there people can find.

That's our hope.

That's our prayer as we go through this.

Great.

And also, why don't you give our listeners a summary of the book

that you have written that we have already interviewed you on

this book.

So for those of our listeners who, after this program is over, want to look up on the irontrumpandzionradio

.com archives, you can see the interviews we've

done on Health for All of Life, a medical manifesto of hope and healing for the nations.

We did actually multiple interviews on that book.

All you have to do is type into the search engine Garwood, G -A -R

-W -O -O -D, the last name of our guest and the author of that book, and you will get all of the interviews

that we have had with Dr. Jason M. Garwood come up.

But tell us about that book to whet the appetites of our voracious

readers in the audience who may be compelled to pick up that book after hearing you describe

it.

Sure.

Yeah, thanks for the opportunity to do that.

I really enjoyed our last time talking.

Our mutual friend Bill Evans was on with us.

Really, the book really wouldn't have happened without Bill in multiple

ways, helping take the website healthforalloflife .com and then pushing it out into

this book form.

And the hope of the book is to simply take the comprehensive nature of God's kingdom and the good news of Christ

and figure out how does the Bible deal with issues like health?

How should we be thinking about health care?

How do we demystify this idea that you have to go the conventional route to get

a particular issue?

And really what we see is that there's a naturopathic model,

and it seems like there's very much presuppositions behind each of those.

And one of them that I argue in the book is that the naturopathic

deal with things using the God -given things we have, like chlorine dioxide and the

mighty 90 nutrients that we need, vitamins and minerals and fatty acids and so on,

these things that are literally the building blocks of God's beautiful world, and we should pursue those things.

The other option is the allopathic model, which stems from a Darwinian naturalistic perspective, where people are just

blobs of pond goo who somehow figured out how to walk and talk, and so the body becomes

something that we have to tame through synthetic drugs and vaccination and all these things that are really

attached to a very pagan worldview.

So that's really the first half of the book, trying to theologically assess the issue, and then

once you get into the second half of the book, it really is based on the triad of health.

Three things are key.

You can get these three things down, and anybody can do it.

You can take back your health and take back control of your health and not rely on it.

Three things are simply neutrify.

Your body needs proper nutrition.

You also need to detoxify your body from heavy metals, which are in the air,

and you also need to be able to energize the body properly, getting proper sleep and so on.

These are all three things that if you can nail those down, then you'll have a better grasp on your health.

And if there's one thing I know, Chris, and you've been in church a fair time and

prayerless, it seems like 99 of them are all health concerns.

And unfortunately, I think a lot of pastors, myself included at one point, really didn't think too much about that

issue.

But we should be thinking about it.

We should be caring for God's people.

We want to see people healthy so that they're in the fight of God's kingdom, that they are equipped to do

evangelism and sent out.

But when you're sick, you're out of that.

Give them the tools they need to be able to do that.

So it's an opportunity to talk about the book because it is kind of tight.

I've also received emails from folks who were listening to those prior interviews and were very encouraged.

I think that's just another exercise.

Well, if anybody wants to purchase that book, go to Amazon and

type into the search engine there, Health for All of Life,

A Medical Manifesto of Hope and Healing for the Nations by Jason

M. as in Michael Garwood.

And we hope that many of you order that book.

All righty.

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Our theme today, as I've already mentioned, is the Warrington Declaration on Medical Mandates, Biblical

Ethics, and Authority.

And that's W -A -R -R -E -N -T -O -N, Warrington Declaration.

And it could not be sooner that we received

this declaration, right in the aftermath of

one of recent history's most disturbing

examples of the flaunting of power by the left,

the flexing of muscles by the left, during

what has become known as the coronavirus pandemic.

And I cannot help but to think, and I know that many

sound -minded, I'm not saying that I'm sound of mind, but many of my sound

-minded friends and even Christian heroes

that are still with us today, I think that they will

echo my words that I think this was basically a test run,

the way that the governments globally have imposed

not only unnecessary mandates upon their citizens or subjects,

but even laughably ridiculous, if it were not so nightmarish.

I know that people whose livelihoods were totally destroyed were not laughing.

People whose livelihoods were not only destroyed, but family businesses

that may have even been launched by hard -working immigrants over a

century ago crumbled to the dust because of these insane

mandates of hungry power, leftists in authority, and even the

cowardly so -called conservatives that just allowed it to happen.

So I think this is just the left sticking its big toe in the water

of tyrannical power.

I know a lot of people who are moderate or liberal laugh at such

claims.

They think this is nothing but crazy conspiracy theory kind of babbling.

But I am thoroughly convinced that this is just the tip of the

iceberg when it comes to this horrifying abuse of

power that we have all witnessed and some have been harmed far more than others.

Well, tell us about the Warrington Declaration, who is involved in

it, and why has it come into existence?

Sure.

I suppose the quick answer to who is involved is really kind of spearheaded by our church here in

Warrington, but we really worked to hone it in, to craft the statement.

It's logically appropriate.

We're making sure we're rhetorically lining up that it makes sense.

It's something that needed to be spelled out probably already two years ago.

And, you know, sometimes that's just the way things are when we're dealing with history unfolding in God's sovereign

predestination.

We don't know the mind of God, so we sort of have to sometimes just deal with the cards that we're dealt.

But the Declaration, of course, was shaped by many different people, some various evangelical

Protestants.

We've had a tremendous response from the Roman Catholics on this statement, interestingly enough.

It was picked up by LifeSite News and some other outlets.

But the statement, let me kind of back up and just explain a little bit, Chris, why, so our listeners kind of get an

understanding of why it's important.

Well, for one, when I was writing Health Follow, that was sort of when things were

starting to happen.

I had already been researching, reading tons of materials, trying to pull things together so I

could feel like it needed to be crafted.

And all of a sudden you started hearing about this COVID thing, and starting in Wuhan and sort of spreading

out into the world.

And last 2020, we saw a lockdown.

And I took a stand and said, look, we care about

people.

And we want to speak to these issues, because we have some friends that have businesses downtown here in our town,

a small town, but it's town.

And they were seeing their businesses crushed.

They said, well, this isn't appropriate.

You know, our particular view, we believe the Bible very clearly teaches us about the Dominion Covenant,

supposed to be productive for the kingdom and not just be consumers but also producers.

And we felt like we needed to take a stand.

And so a gentleman at our church, his name's Chris, he said, we need to rally together.

So locally, some people pretty quickly in our county who said, yes,

we need to push back against this.

Governor Northam is overreaching, and we need to step it up.

And maybe 150 people came, not as many as we were hoping, but more than

we really thought once it set in would come, because we had a lot of pushback from people.

And we sort of decided we would take Florence Nightingale's position.

She, the famous nurse, was always impressed by Christ because he would always move towards sick.

He would always move towards them and want to bring healing to them.

And so we said, well, we're going to do that.

We're going to go towards where the people are in need.

And it just so happens that businesses are being decimated.

We've been, from day one, very involved in this particular issue and trying to come up with sound arguments

of why we reject mandates and why we reject the vaccine and why the government itself, the civil

government, has no authority or jurisdiction over this.

They're honing in on that.

The statement kind of is a product of that, the civil magistrates and

medical choices.

And there's this medical -industrial complex, which is married to these civil

magistrates, even the courts and regulators, the pharmaceutical companies.

They're really all involved.

We said we need to have a coherent stance, and so that's what we're going to do.

We're going to put this together.

And we want the church to be able to say we've got to put our foot down and we need a coherent,

biblical, theological statement, a declaration that spells this out so that we can equip the church so

that we have a better vision for how to handle this so when it comes again, and it'll come again,

because this will be the new precedent, we'll be able to handle it the next time.

So we don't want this medical tyranny to go on.

We want people to be able to govern themselves and the church and the family to be able to govern according to that.

I want to just share with our listeners just a few of the signers that my

listeners may recognize because I've interviewed them on different subjects other than what we are discussing today.

But the world -renowned author Dr. George Grant is among them,

a very well -known and admired advocate for the abolition of

abortion, John Speed, also Dr.

Gordon Runyon, Pastor Gordon Runyon, I'm sorry, who's been on this program,

and Dusty Deavers, who was just on this program very recently, who

was joined by Bill Askell in presenting their

abortion abolition declaration for the Southern

Baptist Convention and many others.

So I'll give this website out to you, and you can always look it up

later, and we will repeat it, God willing, later, but it's warrentondeclaration .com,

warrentondeclaration .com, and that's W -A -R -R -E -N -T -O -N declaration .com.

So what are the main elements of this declaration,

and what is the ultimate goal you seek to accomplish through it?

Sure.

Well, for one, as far as what's contained in the declaration itself,

we really wanted to provide doctrinal clarity that was coherent on the

issue, and so as far as

honing in on those things, that was really our aim.

We really wanted the local church, we wanted to be

able to equip them to provide transparency on this issue, because I'm sure in your experience, Chris,

when you saw this take place, a lot of pastors were caught flat -footed.

Many shut down and stayed shut down for over a year.

Many of our churches here were still shut down even a couple of months ago.

There was an issue with

the CDC, just do whatever they say.

So we really want to assist people in not only knowing what the Bible teaches about authority, because that's

really the first section, is where does authority come from, who has authority, what are the limits

of that authority, and then, of course, for the second half of it,

things like masks and health care and jurisdictional authority when it comes to the family.

What is the family permitted to do?

What is the church permitted to do?

And this is all, as many, I'm sure, listeners are familiar with,

sovereignty and looking at the Bible and saying, no, we have clear lines of demarcation as it

pertains to who has authority and where they have authority.

The other is kind of very, very much

mistreated by churches, unless

he dons a mask, and he had a personal conscience conviction, that A, the mask,

and that B, he's not willing

to do what everybody else was

saying.

He wasn't permitted to, and that's unfortunately happened, I think, more often than people realize.

You guys didn't shut down.

You're not mandating masks.

In fact, you're preaching,

because we're not allowed to even, we won't merit, wear the masks.

The statement itself, this is meant to be a tool for people.

Pastor, you need to sign this.

You've got to sign this now.

Sign it.

We need to get the message out.

And that goal is not just, I have yet to

hear of a pastor who has taken the

initiative to pass it out.

Other than the ones we had that were initial signers.

But I haven't heard anyone make sure these hit the printer and got in the hands of every single person in their church, and it's

discouraging.

I

encourage my

barge in this way, to have a coherent document,

so they can use it as an evangelistic tool.

You know, people, my friend Bill is fond of saying, you

know, people get excited,

they talk about what their man issues are,

they recommend a restaurant than we are to recommend someone have a coherent issue on biblical mandates.

Or excuse me, medical mandates in biblical authority.

The aim of the document is to just sort of,

not the fabricated stuff you see on television, and the fear -mongering that takes place out on

the television and Facebook and all these places.

This is meant to be a unifying in that sense.

And hopefully people will learn from it and share it with others.

I'm utterly amazed that I still see young people especially, college

-age folks, and even little children, obviously by the mandates of their parents,

wearing masks.

Even now.

But, you know, it even goes beyond

not wanting to bear false witness by publicly identifying with the lies

of leftists in government.

It's also injurious to one's own personal health.

I have seen and read and heard very convincing evidence that the

habitual mask -wearing is damaging the health of individuals,

and especially perhaps young people.

Yeah, there was a story about these parents who had taken their masks and sent them in to be tested, and just a whole litany of things,

pneumonia bacteria and viruses and all these things.

Again, why you need a biblical worldview.

Who has God made us to be?

He's made us to be His creatures, people in His image, and He has designed the body to function a certain way.

So when you think about one of the main, a couple of main ways you basically detox your

body, one of them is obviously through your basic digestive processes, but also

through your limb system when you're sweating and so on.

But the other big one is your breath, when you're breathing.

Breathing in oxygen, breathing out the bad stuff, right?

There's this exchange that's happening, and there's a lot of health concerns when you cover that up.

You are basically muting and putting your body's detoxing

system on hold, throwing a kink in the whole thing because now your

body can't get rid of the stuff it needs to get rid of.

Again, basic presuppositions will come into play when it comes to the mask -wearing.

Well, we have to go to our first station break.

And as I said, if you have a question you'd like to ask of Pastor Jason Garwood, our

email address is chrisarnsen at gmail .com.

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Welcome back, this is Chris Arnze, and if you just tuned us in, our guest today

for the entirety of the program is Dr. Jason M. Garwood, pastor at Cross

and Crown Church in Northern Virginia.

We are discussing the Warrington Declaration on Medical Mandates, Biblical Ethics, and Authority.

Our email address is chrisarnzen at gmail .com, chrisarnzen at gmail .com, c -h -r -i

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We have a question from someone who has been interviewed on this program

a number of times.

His name is Ernie Springer, and he, along with my own personal physician,

Joel Yeager, and Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke, co -authored,

Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church, A Sacred Trust Broken.

I strongly urge everybody to get their hands on that book as well.

But Ernie writes, let's see, I have to scroll to the top of his question.

Dr. Garwood, the preamble states, Unfortunately, due to a pervasive lack

of theological and biblical understanding on these issues, coupled with a tendency to

over attribute power and jurisdiction to the state, oftentimes

churches have defaulted to almost reflexively acquiescing to

whatever government health agency statements are made and the policies they put in place.

The legitimacy of the sweeping powers attributed to the state is either simply

presumed or reinforced with scant or faulty biblical support.

What is your opinion then as to the cause of so many pastors and elders for

acting contrary to scripture?

Is it ignorance of the Bible, intentional dishonesty, or simply a lack of courage?

And how has the leadership of the true Christian Church come to such a level of

unfaithfulness?

Yeah, I'm sure you would agree there are a variety of reasons why pastors

and churches and denominations act as they do.

We have to be careful not to slander anybody, but go ahead if you could reply to Ernie.

Yeah, yeah, I guess the answer is yes.

Because I think there are a lot of, as I see it, problems.

We don't want to despair with what Peter

tells us.

We need to clean our own house.

I think soberly, hopefully, offer correction if it's needed.

And I think there is a correction.

And someone, I don't remember where I had heard this, but someone said, well

actually it's not

that, I think we can, you know,

we've been involved for,

well the dark doesn't love light and so we need to be able to, it seems to

be one of apathy.

The shortcomings of the pro -life and

doctrinal is something that I've already been in and tussled with for a

long time.

And then to reveal, not

one to just start poking fingers and

just saying, well you didn't do exactly what I would have

done.

And I think in some cases we did see a lack of courage.

I think in some cases we did see people who were caught flat footed and they didn't really know what to do.

But I admit, yes, this was something that none of us had ever experienced before.

We've only read about it in

the

Church,

yes.

Maybe it's just ignorance of those things.

An issue of courage, it could have been pietism.

It could have been a neoplatonism.

It's only what matters.

And he's only king of

the Church, he's not king of Caesar.

So we have to do whatever Caesar says.

And I think there's some confusion on that.

And I think there's confusion on Romans 13.

Yeah, to give benefit of the doubt to the well -meaning Bible -believing

pastors, congregations, and denominations who really believed that they, in all sincerity,

were following biblical mandates, as you were just mentioning primarily in Romans 13.

And so we can't just say that all pastors and churches and

denominations were doing this cowering in fear over

leftist totalitarianism.

They were truly seeking to honor Christ and his word, and

perhaps even frightened of attaching

themselves to those in the body of Christ who are nutjobs,

who are real wacky conspiracy theorists, who, just

like the old adage goes, like a broken clock, they're right twice a day.

So they perhaps wanted to distance themselves from that.

And we're actually fearing for the safety and health and well -being of their congregants.

But anyway, you can pick up where you left off.

No,

that's

great, Chris,

because

I own a

vaccine

clinic,

but I think there are a lot of varying degrees of concern.

Again, though, there may be a faulty biblical view of jurisdictional authority.

For Romans 13, that's not a place to do whatever they want.

Only Jesus Christ has unending authority, as we say in the very first.

I mean, a huge one, because I don't want to

disparage anyone for sounding the alarm.

And it seems like more and more are waking up, and I praise God for that.

Well, thanks a lot, Ernie.

Excellent questions.

And I will continue to pray and spread the word about

your wonderful book that I continue to encourage people to get

ahold of and read and share and spread,

that tremendous work that you co -authored, along with my own physician, Dr. Joel Yeager, and Dr.

Daniel O 'Rourke,.

Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church is Sacred Trust Broken.

We have a listener who is choosing to remain anonymous,

and this listener says, I find myself getting into a lot of trouble in my own

congregation when I echo things very much akin to what you are

saying today.

The thing that I always hear when I am challenged by those who disagree with me on

all hosts of reasons why we should obey the government on these issues and

wearing masks and getting vaccines is, why on earth would they

intentionally risk our physical harm or actually intend our

physical harm?

I just cannot believe that even those who are our political opponents would dare want to bring

great harm onto the population and the very nation where they serve as

leaders.

It seems to be counterproductive on remaining and preserving their own leadership

and their re -election.

If you could answer, I have also heard that many times, oh come on, how could

people really want you to do something that is really

in reality a harmful thing?

How do you respond to that?

Well sure, I am very hesitant.

One, in advance,

this is

going on.

The policy presupposition continues to go on.

So this idea that they just want to say, I am putting

that on hold and saying no way.

I don't see that.

I don't see how you could say, you know, we want to try to save lives

when you can't even do this.

I am already not interested in hearing what they have to say.

But the flip side of

that too is,

for example, abortion, the number one killer,

then you have,

well admittedly, what

things you can do to prevent

it.

The second couple you have are problems that are created by these very

things and people

have something like a medical mistake.

So the top four killers then, the next four,

and I don't think anyone necessarily at the top

has been coming up with sinister plans.

But when you have a guy like Rand Paul who is grilling Dr. Fauci.

I have never heard that one before, but I am definitely making a mental note of it.

You can feel it.

That may be original.

I might have coined it.

I don't know.

But Rand Paul grilling him about gain -of -function research in

the Wuhan lab and how they were part of funding it.

And that's a huge problem, a huge question of why are we doing gain -of -function research?

Why are we toying with viruses and manipulating them?

And let's see how dangerous we can make this.

All in the name of, well, we'll protect people.

Instead of just squashing it and letting it go.

I'm concerned

about things that Bill Gates is

actually coming up with.

I do believe in predestinating, but men do

conspire against Christ.

I can't.

In fact, we've got to pick up right where you left off because we have to go to our midway break.

Yep.

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or whether or not you completed your thought when we were talking about why pastors and

churches and denominations and individual Christians should not just have a

knee -jerk reaction and obey and trust everything

that a local or federal government is urging

them to do, and it can be a deadly

mistake to automatically trust that they have your well -being

first and foremost in their minds.

I thought it was very humorous, and continue to find it humorous, and again it's a

combination of finding it humorous and finding it horrifying

that you have somebody like Dr. Fauci, or as you more aptly named him, Dr. Fraudchi,

saying things like, why on earth would China want to harm their own

people by experimenting with very deadly viruses and so forth?

Yeah, far be it from a communist nation to ever harm anybody living in their

nations.

There is absolutely no record in history of communist nations harming the people

over whom they have authority.

Am I right?

Isn't this like insane to think that the communist leaders, dictators, would ever harm their own people?

Yeah, that's a pretty good observation.

I think it is

man -centered

and humanist to the core.

I suppose maybe I did finish my thought, other than maybe

emphasizing the fact that we don't need to give all of

our trot in

heavenly places.

His section right now in David's throne is all about the orchestrated

judgment where he brings judgment, Deuteronomy 28, 29, even Leviticus 26.

It really needs to be studied by Christians as we understand what

faith in his covenant really looks like and what happens when we

don't do that.

It's only going to go as well as Christianity goes.

In the

document,

in the declaration itself, we really hone in on those issues

of jurisdictional authority.

I don't think they understand healing, and I certainly know that many of our leaders don't as well.

Again, I don't want to besmirch the Church unnecessarily so, but we really, really,

really need to bring it out there

so that we have a sound theological

distinguishing between the Church's authority and the family's authority,

the authority of Christ.

We have Joseph in south -central Pennsylvania.

Who wants to know, what would be in your declaration that would perhaps

be most surprising to the listeners today?

Boy,

that's

a great

reformed tradition.

Even, you know,

and like Bob, I think

that may be

surprising.

Hey, no government health agency or even a local government.

That may be jarring.

What may be surprising to some people has to

do with government.

That's really not a good response or not

obligatory.

It's a carefully nuanced point that I think may be surprising.

It certainly made me kind of reasonable.

I think, generally speaking, that may be surprising.

We have C .J. in Lindenhurst, Long Island, New York.

And he says, forgive me if I missed this, having just tuned in, but is your main

goal that you wish to achieve to get churches and even

physicians next time something like the coronavirus pandemic

arises, perhaps with a different name, that they refuse to obey

ridiculous and dictatorial mandates by the government?

Yeah, that's something we talked about a little bit earlier.

So, the listeners, this is something I

can get behind.

This is something I think we need to be thinking through and talking about.

So, that's one aspect.

It doesn't even matter what it is.

It could be the next quote -unquote pandemic.

It could be the next, you know, whatever issue may arrive.

I mean, all a governor needs is to declare an emergency.

So, they can shortcut whatever thing they want if they can do that.

And there's a biblical precedent for that, Chris, as you know.

You have the Hebrew midwives who disobeyed Pharaoh's command.

You have Daniel who was told not to pray.

He said, well, I'm going to go home and pray.

He throws open the windows and prays.

And that was just not a commandment that they were allowed to give.

And certainly the apostles themselves were told not to preach, obey God,

or men.

What are we going to do here?

So, I think we do want to see the church step up and be loosened

up here in America, but places like Australia, I mean, even Canada.

Yeah, I think that perhaps a follow -up or sequel to the Warrington mandate may be

necessary to prepare pastors, churches,

denominations, individual Christians, doctors,

medical professionals, and others, to prepare them for perhaps

a new wave of nightmares

concocted and perpetuated by leftists in power that

may mimic or even far surpass the mandates over the coronavirus

pandemic hysteria that involve shutdowns and other things

due to a so -called prevention of the continuance

of climate change or the hazards that they

fictitiously proclaim accompany it.

Isn't it interesting how the phraseology has even changed?

It used to be global warming.

And, oh, you disagree with global warming?

Well, they want to make you sound like you are more of an idiot by disagreeing with them,

so they change it to climate change.

I don't believe in climate change.

Like, obviously, everybody has to believe in climate change because climate does change every day.

So, it's akin to first it being

pro -abortion, then it morphs into pro

-choice, and now it is pro -women's health care.

And so the opponents to the murder of unborn children are labeled as those

who are insanely opposed to women's health care.

You know, that kind of thing.

But am I right about the preparedness that our world,

especially the body of Christ, should be gathering to

ensure, even right now, because of the insanity that comes from the climate change nut

jobs?

Yeah, that's a good point, Chris, because that's something we've talked about earlier.

I can very much foresee yet another

way, and he

has

not revealed

me

as a

judgment,

and I think that that's sort of what we have to sort out.

But I think the climate change discussion is definitely going to be next.

It's going to be something that they're...

And, you know, it's difficult for me when you think about politics.

You have

very much anti -God, very much evolutionary.

The church activated in the public square in being involved with the low

income.

That's what we did.

We said, look, you can't support these businesses.

And we need to be prepared for that next wave, and I do believe the climate change thing

will be that next wave.

We'll see more regulation in the food industry.

But we need to

have these categories in place.

That's why the declaration is what it is, and it can be used to...

Yeah, and here's the most horrifying thought.

I could easily see the United States and other countries

mimicking China on a cutoff point,

a ceiling, as it were, a ceiling of the number of children

a citizen of the United States or subject of any other country globally is

permitted to have because overpopulation is one of the major causes of climate

change.

That's what we're told, yep.

And therefore, I'm sorry, you cannot have a third child.

You must have an abortion.

I know that sounds ridiculous to people, but, hey, whoever thought that

our nation would not only be legalizing a man marrying a man and a woman marrying a woman,

but whoever thought that the livelihoods of people could be

destroyed if you opposed that notion?

And it wasn't that long ago.

Remember, Barack Obama didn't even initially agree with same -sex marriage, and

neither did the Clintons before him.

So we are on a snowball that is rolling down a mountain that is rapidly

getting more and more enormous as the multitudes of us

beneath are in peril of being destroyed by it.

The insanity just continues to grow and multiply and

morph into other things.

Do I have time to interject something there, Chris?

Oh, yeah, go ahead.

I don't know.

Okay, I wanted to say, too, that what you're describing and kind of what we've been just chatting about for a second there

really does pertain to this issue of preemptive state.

You can't be trusted with guns because you might end up.

And it's sort of the same principle with the quarantine and preemptive quarantine.

Even if you're asymptomatic, which is just a fancy word for health,

and this sort of

persisting anywhere on

the planet, how language

changes, the LGBTQ plus

and everything, a

homosexual choir coming out and saying, we're coming after your children.

And so the language is always changing, and we shouldn't, in

biblical law, use preemptive justice.

And that's really where the humanistic paradigm comes in.

You're giving away the principle that you want to stand on.

If you give unqualified, just given, unmitigated and

interminable.

We have another anonymous listener who says, I am in a church that stays neutral

on the medical mandates that have been actually

destroying the lives of many in our nation.

Is it good enough to be neutral on these things and allowing the congregants to

make up their own minds by gravitating toward whatever source of information they

most trust?

Or do you believe that it is the duty of church leaders to be exactly

honest on truth?

And would that require them agreeing with what your mandate has implied?

Sure.

As a result,

for one,

principally, there are certain things that we would say, and we've talked about this.

There are things

we would say on specifically

health care, being able to tease whims of the

pharmaceuticists.

One, there's no neutrality.

But two, I think that the church, but you

might have someone

in the church

who may genuinely believe the masks work.

They're not in favor of the government tyranny.

Well, maybe the mask will work.

Then they can wear the mask.

And who are we?

We may convert.

You may be able to talk about those things.

And the church needs to be able to powerfully proclaim the

word of God, the law, the word of God, to a new standing where the family

stands.

Eventually, a

whole

different

metaphor, but a

stand on the neutral

fence.

Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island, wants to know what is your reaction to your

opponents who believe that being preoccupied with the issues you are discussing

today are nothing more or less than a detraction from

the proclamation of the gospel, which would obviously be first and foremost

in the hearts of all those who are truly regenerate and members of the body of Christ.

There may be even some who have loved Iron Sharpens Iron Radio who think

that giving so much time to these issues is a detraction from the presentation of the

gospel that it has become known for for many years.

How do you respond to that, brother?

Yeah, interesting.

Well, certainly there are people who think, well, it's a distraction on the minors and that's just a

distraction.

And of course, it's not really a distraction.

In fact, teasing out the implications of

the first Corinthians 15.

And then you might think, well, Paul has done his job after being distracted by talking about other issues.

He finally gets to the gospel 15 chapters in.

But then he keeps going.

And he talks about the fact that not only did he appear, he ascended to the heavens and he

acceded.

And he has the second Adam is going to put his enemies under his feet.

And then he goes on to the very last verse.

It means that light and heat.

We get this when we're preaching the gospel.

How many people have you preached the gospel to on the street?

That would be a question I

will make.

Maybe not as many.

But there's not this view

where you just and we're missing the implication in

the name of

Christ

to no more.

And so we

shouldn't like

the problem.

Suddenly, I all of a sudden was.

I think that's part.

Now, isn't it true that the FDA, the Food and Drug

Administration, has not even approved of this vaccine?

Or these vaccines, parole, I should say.

Yeah, they're also an emergency authorization.

Companies are like Pfizer and others are really trying to get that.

Wow.

And that and that number isn't even fully

years ago that when the CDC

came out and

said.

Now, have not the alarm.

Have have not the.

Pharmaceutical companies who manufactured these vaccines protected themselves from lawsuits.

Correct.

So that those who are getting seriously ill or dying.

The families or the people themselves, if they survive but have been harmed, have no

recourse to sue.

Correct.

The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986, which is signed by Reagan.

There is no live

vaccine court.

But that's just sort of things on the up and up.

And a lot

of

people,

not because of the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act.

Now, is there any most prominent age group or

physical pre -existing physical condition?

That would that would describe the majority of

those who have died from this or have been seriously harmed from this, from these vaccines?

Yeah.

Well, I think we've seen that we've seen a variety of people.

We've seen young teenagers get it.

And you can go to

the VAERS reporting VAER.

You don't know their name.

You can see the age.

We're seeing teenagers, essentially just 14, 15, 16 years old,

even college students, the younger people.

It seems I don't have the stats, but it seems like we're seeing a lot of

adversity.

All right.

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Jason Thornwood, what are the best ways that our listeners can

spread word about the Warrington Declaration on Medical Mandates, Biblical Ethics, and Authority?

And who should be signing this?

Sure, yeah, the best way is to go to warringtondeclaration .com.

Warrington is the city where I'm talking to you from.

From the

page, if you click on the Share button, share it on

GAB, Facebook.

And who should be signing it?

Well, people,

I'm hoping

you

signed it.

I thought that I did, but I will check it, and I will sign it with certainty if I didn't.

I thought that I did, though, when I first got word of it.

And we do have a listener who is anonymous who says,

I am seriously considering changing my family's health practitioner

because they fell in lockstep with the insanity of the coronavirus

hysteria.

You had mentioned earlier, Chris, that you have a doctor that was standing firm in opposition

to these insane mandates, and I was wondering if you could give me that physician's

information.

Well, certainly.

Actually, Dr. Joel Yeager and his wife are both the physicians that run Heritage Family

Health in Newmanstown, Pennsylvania.

It's in the Lancaster, Pennsylvania area.

If you want more information, the website is heritagefamilyhealth .org,

heritagefamilyhealth .org.

And if you do not live anywhere near that medical practice, they may be able to

recommend someone who is close to you.

I happened to drive an hour to get there because I think it's well worth the

trip, but an hour is really not that long of a drive when it comes to your health and safety and so on.

Well, I'd really like you to now take the last two minutes of uninterrupted time to summarize what you

most want etched in the hearts and minds of our listeners today about the Warrington Declaration.

Sure.

I think we didn't necessarily, and

that's going to happen

with repentance, and we need to see

and be the first in

line.

Christians are to be the first in line.

There's one thing I will say specifically with the Declaration, and don't be a dead end to truth.

Don't just sign it and then do nothing.

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Come up and say, hey, we have something to say on this particular issue.

It needs to be at the denominational level to continue to be put in front of

people across the world, Christians everywhere.

So take it seriously.

Take the word of God seriously.

Don't be a dead end to truth.

Get the message out.

Great.

Well, I don't want to let another moment go by without repeating all of

your personal contact information.

First of all, the Warrington Declaration that we've been discussing for the entirety

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-N -T -O -N, declaration .com.

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occurring with the Warrington Declaration.

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a far, far greater Savior than you are a sinner.