K-537 Defining the Prophetic Call (2 of 2) — Art Katz

The difference between you sitting there and me is, I'm going to be required to speak on one basis or another on either what my natural eye sees as being impressively spiritual, or what my inner man is groaning about that is wrong.

And when you speak on that basis, you're challenging everything to which men have given their endorsement, and it's put up or shut up. Either that's God and the word of the Lord, or you're some wild freak who's doing damage to the body of Christ.

The Prophetic Burden and Dependence on God

And you've got to act, because the moment has come, the bell has rung, you've got to come out of your corner. It's on, it's time, you're on the spot, now what will you do? And that tension is with you always.

And maybe the Lord will allow an occasion here and there where it will not be Him, and you have acted in a way in which you thought it was the Lord, but it was in fact yourself, merely to keep you honest, that you must not presume that on every occasion, impeccably, you can be confident that it's God, because that will remove the tension and the dependency.

So God will allow a falling, He'll allow a humiliation, He'll allow a failure, all the more to charge your heart anew with the enormous gravity of what you are about, and the requirement to be cleaving to Him and dependent upon Him for your every word, not only for your word, but even the mood of your speaking.

Communicating the Mood of God's Word

I gave a message in Zurich, at one of the hotels there some years ago, on the very night for the first time in the history of Switzerland that there was rioting in the streets. Kids were freaking out, younger adults and so on.

And I was speaking on the kingdom of God, and I was making an indictment. I said, what's going on outside the streets and the noise that was coming up through the building is the statement of a failed Christianity, of a Christianity that has not taken the kingdom of God seriously, and another kingdom of a darker kind is being exhibited below.

And I could not understand it, but the people were not being impacted by that word. And they began to chuckle and even laugh and smile, you know, and it was funny and humorous. I realized that the man who was interpreting me, that the word for him was too severe, and he was blunting the word by bringing it out with a kind of a humor and an intonation that was not my mood.

He was technically translating, but he was not communicating the mood of the speaking. And God puts a great premium on the voice of the prophets, not just their words but their voice, because their voice carries the urgency of God, the divine seriousness, and if you change that and yet retain the technical word, you've lost the message.

And when I sensed what was happening, every warning was going off in me, and the young man who was with me, without a word between us, here's why God sent him out by tools, he got up from his seat, he sensed what was going wrong, and he came up on the platform and he stood right by me.

And from that point onward, the entire night changed. When the interpreter faithfully began to translate, interpret the mood of my speaking, you know what the end of that night was? Down they went. Boom.

There wasn't the soul in their seats. They were prostrate. It had never been seen. And German-Swiss propriety stretched out, groaning before God like dead men, receiving the indictment that what was going on in the streets was the statement of their failure to have taken seriously the kingdom of God.

So, why do we say all that? That you're responsible not only for the word, but for the mood of God's speaking, and often your mood will be in violent opposition to the mood that's been already established in the congregation, especially by the, quote, worship team.

I've had more conflict with worship teams and worship leaders than I can tell you, because I don't know what it is with these guys. They have an independent purpose for their own being. Like, they're going to do their thing no matter what.

And whatever time is left over, whatever mood they've established, however contrary to God, you do the best you can. Instead of working in conjunction with the word that is to come or sensing the mood and heart of God, they've already got their choruses numbered and what they're going to sing and do, and their musical virtuoso and talent and amplifiers.

They're going to do their thing, and then you make the best of it as well as you can. I've had a whole message ruined, and many messages dulled, and the power of it lost because of that unspoken opposition and tension where a ministry is celebrated as a thing in itself.

This whole worship team mentality. As if I could, I would pull the plug out of every overhead projector and let us just choke and splutter along and miss a word here and there and come into the spirit of God's worship, then we should be led, led, led with choruses and choruses and repeated choruses.

What they're really trying to do is to affect an atmosphere for a service rather than touch the heart of God, let alone prepare for the receiving of a holy word. So there's a struggle going on right within the church, and no man feels it more acutely than that freak who is bearing a strange word with a strange mood that is contrary to and other than that which prevails where everybody wants to go home feeling good.

And nobody wants to go home in tension. Another complaint that I received was, well, you let the people, you know, you didn't answer every question, and the people went home jarred and not happy, and I said, and so?

What, are we under obligation? What is this, the age of merchandise that everything is going to be wrapped up in one package with a ribbon on in one service and send them home happy? What if they go home jarred and pained and excruciating even and agonizing and questions that have been raised that have not been answered and they themselves have got to wrestle and fight their way through to a place in God?

There are very few pastors, few, my God, one in a million, that will be willing to allow his congregation to suffer that kind of stress and tension. Send them home happy is the unspoken premise of contemporary religion to which we as prophetic men and women do not subscribe.

We're not in the mood of sending people home happy. We're of a kind to send them home agitated if there are questions that they're compelled to consider that cannot be answered in one service. You can raise it, but you can't always answer it.

Now, if you give me three days, we might be brought all the way through, but how many churches are willing to submit to such a man for that length of time? One service at best and get them away. You know what happened in the church there in Basel?

They got something that they didn't expect, and I'm sure that they couldn't get me out of there fast enough. But now they're stuck. I mean, a word has been sounded. And what an agony, as Bert will remember, when I had to labor through an interpreter who was so removed from my spirit and view that it was just agony getting that word through to the people through his interpretation.

But even in that, God sufficiently succeeded to strike a note that was never heard in that Lutheran church. So it's painful, and we're summing up some of what it means to walk in this office. Can I ask you a question?

Prophetic Offense Without Presumption

All the people you have stirred up and agitated, like they're angry, ready to tear you apart. I heard a man say one time, he's an evangelist type person, and he says that when he shares the word with people out in the streets, he would rather witness to somebody who would rather tear him apart than somebody who would just come by and explode.

That's nice, you know, take whatever literature and go on their way. Because his statement was that that person, once he comes to the Lord, will be as much as on fire for the Lord as he was against you.

Have you found that?

Yeah, I mean, that's true. But here's what your remark is stirring in me. And I think I need to end this before a little break with this admonition. Don't think that because there is an intrinsic offense to prophetic obedience and faithfulness, that you're under obligation to be offensive.

Now, there are a lot of amateurs around who are acting like prophets, that is to say, creating offense and being loud mouths and insensitive and bulls in the china shop. That's, what would you call it, that's a parody, that's a burlesque of the true thing.

Don't think that you have to create offense and that authenticates your prophetic credential. The offense will come in and of itself without even your consciousness. But if you think that this is a form, I'm a prophetic person and I'm going to shake these people up, you're an amateur.

You do well to keep your mouth shut and to be silent and come under the disciplines of God before there will ever be a release. And probably you may well have a legitimate calling, but you're going out into it prematurely.

You've not been in the wilderness of God. You've not been dealt with in the deepest entrails of your heart and life. And you're just prematurely ejaculating a lot of nonsense and a lot of unnecessary controversy and not serving the redemptive purposes of God.

So just this one note. The one thing that God has spoken to me many times prophetically by other people, someone asked, did the Lord set you in by someone speaking prophetically? No. But this word many times comes to me by people.

The Lord has spoken to me that you're called to be a threshing machine with very fine teeth and you shall thresh the hills and the mountains and turn them to chaff. And I say, yes, I know. The Lord has had me to do this many times.

And then I think to myself, but what you don't know is how much I have had to be threshed before I can thresh others. All the more being Jewish, what is latent in my soul that I've taken up with my mother's milk and in the Jewish air that I have breathed that is antagonistic to Gentiles?

And how much opportunity do I have to ventilate that when I'm standing before God's Gentile people and not only give God's point but a little extra dig, a little zess, you know, you've got it coming without even being conscious of it.

And I'm sure that that must have been true of my earlier prophetic service. And that's why there's a remarkable threshing of God. If you want to meet my threshing machine, she's in the kitchen right now.

God has that and many things to employ. But don't go out before you're threshed and welcome the threshing and expect it because there are subtleties of soul in all of us, little insinuations of ambition, little presumptions of pride, little romantic notions of what we think prophetic service is that God has got ruthlessly to deal with, that when His Word comes forth, it is His Word, not only in its content but also in the mood of its delivery.

So if we're going to thresh others, we will be threshed. And what we see so often that so discredits the prophetic office is a bunch of amateurs going before the time, doing their thing, thinking that of necessity they've got to rattle the cage.

And they see this one and that one and boom, they're like tigers going right for the jugular vein. And they say, oh, didn't you see that? Sure I saw it. But I'm not at liberty to touch it. Am I at liberty to address everything I see?

No. I can only address what God would have me to see because who's more blind and more deaf than my servant Israel? He does not proceed by his own seeing, neither by his own hearing, his own subjectivity, his own impressions.

He's the Lord's. And maybe that's why God is more jealous over the prophetic man than any other because more than any other, his life is not his own. A teacher is a teacher, but he's still himself teaching.

The prophet is the communicator of God's own word. It's not his word, it's not even his mode. He's dead. He has no life until God gives it, and God gives it for his purpose and glory only. And I'll tell you this, even when you see them falling like flies and going down on their faces under the power and the impact of that word, do you know what you're experiencing in that moment?

Nothing. You're absolutely impervious and totally unaffected by what has brought others down on their faces. You're looking like, well, what's happening? Why am I not feeling the impact of this, of the weight of God's word and the glory?

You're out of it because it's not yours. You can't exalt in it. It's not your work. It's the strangest feeling. It is so terribly uncomfortable to be somehow detached from the power and the effect of your own word, and you're not allowed in any way even to touch it or to draw forth any satisfaction for yourself.

Jeremiah's Counsel and the Source of Prophetic Speech

Strange life, this, but praise God for the privilege and the high calling of it. Okay, we're in Jeremiah 23, and I'm acknowledging that this brother mentions a central thing. What is the source of prophetic speaking?

Where does the prophet get his word? And if it's not out of the counsel of God, the secret place, how is it God's word? And so we just started to look at verse 10. The land is full of adulterers, for because of swearing the land mourns, the pleasant places of the wilderness are dried up.

Notice how nature itself reflects the spiritual condition of the nation and how nature groans and travails, as we've said, waiting for the coming of the sons of God. And their course is evil, their force is not right, for both prophet and priest are profane.

Yea, in my house have I found their wickedness, saith the Lord. Wherefore, their ways shall be unto them as slippery ways in the darkness. They shall be driven on and fall therein, for I will bring evil upon them, even the year of their visitation, saith the Lord.

I've seen folly in the prophets of Samaria. They prophesied in Baal and caused my people Israel to err. So there's a consequence for false prophecy as it affects the entire nation and also the entire church by the same principle.

I have also seen in the prophets of Jerusalem a horrible thing. They commit adultery and walk in lies. They strengthen also the hands of evildoers, that none doth return from his wickedness. They are all of them unto me as Sodom, and the inhabitants thereof as Gomorrah.

That verse deserves a lot of attention. Committing adultery and walking in lies echoes what we said before about the scoffers who walk according to their own lusts, that their view of the truth and of the word of God and of doctrine is corrupted by their sensual and ungodly living.

Here also, the walking in lies and the committing adultery goes hand in hand. You have to. If you're going to commit adultery, there's a way in which you have to inwardly justify yourself, and you can only do that at the expense of the truth of God.

And what's the consequence for others? They strengthen also the hands of evildoers. It's something like judges today who cannot bring sentence upon transgressors. The modern court system is a calamity because of judges who will not and cannot judge.

They cannot bring the severity of the law against the lawbreaker. Why? Because their own life, personally, is itself a transgression. You cannot bring the severity of the law when you yourself deserve it.

So none returns from his wickedness. They are all of them to near Sodom and Gomorrah. There's an unhappy progression downward. That's how the city of righteousness has become the city of whoredoms and of murders.

Verse 15, the last part of it, For from the prophets of Jerusalem is profaneness, and gone forth into all the land. Thus saith the Lord of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets, that prophesy unto you.

Notice that God still calls them prophets. It's because the gift and callings of God are irrevocable. They still retain their official title, but what they're performing under that title is, in God's sight, abomination.

They make you vain. They speak a vision of their own heart and not out of the mouth of the Lord. They say still unto them that despise me, The Lord hath said, You shall have peace. And they say unto everyone that walks after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

This must be the very quintessence of what a false prophet is, giving a false comfort, a false assurance of peace that does not regard the truth of the conditions that need to be faced. It's a making nice.

No evil shall come upon you, and unhappily. It's that kind of prophetic statement that is coming forth even today, especially in Israel. For who hath stood in the counsel of the Lord, here's the key verse, and hath perceived and heard his word?

Who hath mocked his word and heard it? You almost want to put that verse in a box, as if the Lord is saying, Of all those who not only profess to be prophets, but even those who have been called to be prophets, how many are speaking the word that can only be obtained in the counsel of the Lord?

Ministry Must Flow From Relationship With God

Isn't it remarkable how everything in God, in the last analysis, comes down to the issue of relationship? He'll never give anything independent of relationship. And when he called Moses up to the mount to receive the tablets of the law that thou mayest teach them, it was first, Come up unto me and be there.

And then I will give you the tablets of the law. And what characterizes modern-day ministries worldwide is the separation of ministry from relationship. We have made ministry a thing in itself. It's not that we don't talk about worship and the law and so on, but somehow we're able to perform it out of a virtue also of ability or maybe even out of the gift, but not out of the depth of relationship.

Relationship is not only the key to the bestowing of the gift or the tablets of the law, but the ongoing ability to rightly teach them. Once you sever relationship from ministry, you are on exceedingly dangerous ground.

And we had an episode in our first Ben Israel where the Lord separated the Katz family from the community. I was going through an extraordinary time of struggle with anger, and it was just a consensus that we needed to be separated from the demands of community and the ministry and go to Kansas City where a fellowship had invited us for restoration and healing.

And over the course of weeks that we were there, I began to get some strange knockings at my door and Jewish lawyers that were being saved were coming to me at 6 in the morning, and they couldn't go to churches and places like that publicly, but they needed counsel.

And so before I knew it, I was counseling and ministering to half a dozen substantial Kansas City Jews of a professional business class that were getting saved. I hadn't looked for ministry, and it was taking on such value that when it was time to come back to Minnesota, I thought that that was the most inane thing.

And I tried to communicate to the community, what are you guys talking about? We're going to come up to the woods and twiddle my thumbs? Can't you see what God is doing in Kansas City? I wasn't looking for this.

This is God-given. And He's touching the heart of the most significant leaders of the Jewish community, and Kansas City is the heart of America. And I went on to develop all the significance, and we were just at odds with each other.

And there was an exchange of phone calls and letters. When will they grow up? Can't they see what God is doing and the importance of what He has given in this ministry? Finally they couldn't see it, and I had to fly up here, and I took two of the leading Jewish believers in Kansas City to strengthen my hand here and to persuade these foolish Ben Israelites that what was going on down there far eclipsed any value that could be shared by my coming back here.

What do they want me, just to be present? They just didn't understand, and all my voluminous experience being led by the Spirit of God, and I was utterly assured this was the calling of God and it was something He had given.

So I'll never forget the meeting that we had in my house, and they presented their case, and then I presented my case, and I said, this will shut every mouth. How God had done this, utterly sovereign, I was not looking for it, touching the Jewish community and the heart of America, and the significance of this can't even be measured.

What would my coming back mean but something much less? Don't you see? Don't you understand? It's the Lord, it's sovereign. And they weren't impressed, and we went on just like this. Finally, at the end of the night, one of the young Jewish brothers, his voice was like a pipsqueak, and it was just a picture of all awkwardness and immaturity.

He said, oh Arch, you know, he said, don't you remember that we have an understanding here, that the ministry flows out of the life, and the life out of the relationships, and if you break that connection and have a ministry independent of that, he said, it's not going to be a ministry.

And my head went, oh, it's the voice of the Lord. And within two weeks we had come back from Kansas City. He reminded me of a central principle, ministry flows out of the life, and the life out of the relationships.

You cannot break that connection. And I would say from deception, I don't say it's my last deception, but I needed to know that I could be deceived, and not deceived over something carnal, but something spiritual.

And a man who had a track record of such exquisite leadings of God by the Spirit over the face of the earth in different nations and such uncanny requirements and dealings, and yet I could miss that. And I had to be corrected and brought back to the truth by the youngest and weakest, least mature voice in the entire community was God's voice.

If you'll not hear His voice in the mode that He's pleased to present it, how shall they hear your voice? So relationship is critical, and that's, I think, who has stood in the counsel of the Lord. What does that phrase mean?

How is it then that these prophets, who were speaking prolifically and influencing the nation toward evil, were not in this place? Why didn't they get the word of the Lord out of His counsel and out of His presence?

That there should even be a moment's hesitation about answering this is a real statement about us. They were adulterers and walking in lies. How can such men be in the counsel of God? This God is holy, and you cannot come into that presence in that condition.

You don't even desire to come into that place in that condition. That's why you get your words from others or out of your own skull, because this requires a sanctification. This requires something about your own condition that permits that kind of relationship, particularly if it's an abiding.

You don't just go there to get the word. Let me put it that way. See how utilitarian we are in our minds? Well, if that's what the Lord says, I guess I have to find my way into His counsel, into His presence, in order to get the word.

That's not the way it works. It's being in the counsel of God and being in the presence of God that the word may come. But if you make the word and the attainment of it the condition for entering the presence, you're already off of holy ground.

You're coming in the spirit of utility and not in the spirit of devotion to God for His own sake. Come up unto me and be there. Not the benefit that's going to accrue to you for coming, even the ministerial benefit.

That's simply because I am God and you are man. I am the creator, you are the creation. Be there. And if no word comes, no word comes. But if you come looking for a word in that expedient utilitarian sense that we have, it's no longer the holy ground.

And I just, I can't say enough about this. We are ruled by the spirit of utility. That is the Western mentality. We do this in order to obtain that. We're paying for this if we can get that. But we don't know what it means to do or be for its own sake.

Because we have never come to that place first with God, how shall we come to it with men? So therefore there's a warp in all that we do and say that does not have its true place out of the presence of God that cannot be entered in the spirit of utility.

Humility is what God is in Himself. And the only one who will display and exhibit it is that one who has been consistently in the presence of God's humility. It's humbling to be there. And that's why Moses could state it, not as a credit to himself, but to God, out of whose presence that humility was established.

So is the God of Moses God still? It sounds like an asinine question. But, you know, we'll say yes, but in our deepest heart we don't think that way. And has He ever changed? Same yesterday, today, and forever.

Does He yet require His prophetic men to be in His presence? And I want to say, if I don't know about your experience, nothing is more difficult for me. Everything contends against it. The dinner bell, the faucet is dripping, the light bulb needs to be changed, did you feed the dogs?

There are 10 ,000 things continually nipping at you that require attention, and even if they're not, we're not so. This is something about the pulse of the flesh itself is inimical to seeking the Lord.

Everything, a fly is buzzing around your nose, a mosquito has rested on your leg. Seeking the Lord is an extraordinarily difficult thing, and few have the incentive. It's a suffering. In fact, just to be more ruthlessly honest, I would say it's a dying.

Living on the earth, in the flesh, and in the world and in time, to confine and to commune with God is an extraordinary and ultimate attainment. If you attain it, maintain it, because you don't want to have to do it all over again.

And can you maintain it and still go to last night's birthday party and dancing and hooting and singing and stomping and not lose it or be jarred from your sensitive spiritual place by what seems to be just fun time, celebration?

So we're talking about something very critical. I would not expect in the earth today many men who are in this place. So what shall I say for the whole rash of prophets that have come? I won't say they are a dime, a dozen, but many men professing to be prophets, but are we hearing the counsel of God?

And God's judgment about the failure to obtain his word in that place is severe. Verse 19, The whirlwind of the Lord has gone forth in fury, even a grievous whirlwind, it shall fall grievously upon the head of the wicked.

The word wicked is almost exclusively used for those who should know better. I think that the way I sense it is not so much those that are out of relationship with God, worldlings, but those who profess or should have every reason to know of God and are yet, by intent, acting wrongly.

That's wickedness. The Lord shall not return till he has executed, till he has performed the thoughts of his heart. In the latter days you shall consider it perfectly. Notice that the judgment is deferred.

It's not immediate, but it will come in the latter days for something now that is a rife offense to God, namely, the whole compromise of his prophets and the way it has affected the nations. I have not sent these prophets, yet they ran.

I have not spoken to them, yet they prophesied. But if they had stood in my counsel and caused my people to hear my words, then they should have turned away from their evil way and from the evil of their doings.

How can we know that the word is out of the counsel of God? It has this salutary effect. It will affect the nation in turning it toward God rather than away from him and from their evil ways, their practices.

False Prophecy, False Comfort, and the Word of God

I can remember a full gospel breakfast, I think it was, in Germany. The speaker was from Sweden, a leading evangelical personality, but it could have been anywhere. He was wearing a... They print that shirt and they make pocketbooks.

It begins with a G. That company. Very exclusive. Gucci. He was wearing a Gucci shirt and tie and a silk-type suit and iris-oil ears. And he began by saying, And the Lord has spoken to me this morning and given me a word for you.

I said, Wow! And I leaned forward to get every syllable that had come from the heart of God and then I went, as I heard it, Nothing from God at all. Cliché. Just evangelical phrases and full gospel hogwash.

And the thing that astonished me is... I mean, I can expect that. But don't preface that with the statement that God spoke to me this morning and gave me this word for you. Let that sink in, saints. What that means.

What that produces. What that allows to come into the body of Christ. The men who were hearing that that morning and nodding their heads and amening and applauding and affirming. What are we doing? And what erosion, what is set?

What takes place? What is the consequence of allowing that kind of monumental lie to be expressed and not to be contradicted? Turn the wine into water at the least and deaden and dull your sensitivity that the next time you'll be even a bigger sap for anything that comes down the pike and you'll accept it and applaud it.

So where was someone in that audience that morning who got up and say, I'm sorry for whatever pain and dislocation I'm going to cause, but I cannot allow that phrase and that statement to be made in our hearing without being contested?

That was not the word of God. And we dare not allow that kind of terminology to be employed merely to sanctify or to give a kind of credibility to what is otherwise just an ordinary statement. And what is the condition of the body which is the church because of it today?

What have we paid for cheap, casual references to God as if we could invoke Him at pleasure or say God gave when He didn't give? Or like one of the last conferences that I attended in Minneapolis where the theme was how to invoke the presence of God by our worship and that if our song liturgy is good enough we can actually make manifest His presence.

I did speak up that time, you can be assured, and have not been invited back since. I touched the holy cow, you know, and I said you would be doing far better to teach people how to continue in faithfulness with God without the sensing of His presence which is more likely to be our end-time reality, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me, than to think that we can calculate or engineer and invoke God's presence at our will.

My God, what have we come to? And not a single soul whimpered or called a halt or blew a whistle but applauded that as somehow being the last word. This is what the Church is speaking, this is the most recent word, this is rhema, this manipulation of God as if He's going to give Himself to the devices of men.

When men will invoke the phrase, thus saith the Lord, it's almost a testimony to the fact that He's not saying. If He is saying, you don't have to embellish the statement by authorizing it. The statement itself will ring with the truth of God and the sense of God.

Is that a rhema statement of God, of an original kind that we need to hear in the crisis place that we are? Or is it just some kind of an embellishment to give a charismatic order to our proceeding? And again, it cheapens the whole integrity of the prophetic thing and makes it a light kind of thing that anyone almost at will can offer.

I would much prefer fewer such statements but when they come, you know that God has spoken. As for example, the word that I heard in London, I forgot at what, the 32nd Pentecostal World Conference, it was a drag, painful.

Men were such performers. The prayers were so studied. They were so calculated, not for the hearing of God but of men. And at one point in one of the meetings, there was a cry that came up out of the congregation.

Someone burst out in tongues and you got goose pimples. Your spirit was immediately alerted. Then there was a holy hush. We knew God had broken in at last from something that was humanly contrived. And somewhere up in the balcony, a woman in German began to give the interpretation in German.

And I could only understand it in part but sufficiently to know that the Lord was speaking. And I was so naive, I thought the next thing would be the man at the platform saying, now can someone please render that word in German and English for our hearing?

Instead he went to the piano player. And the piano player began, He is Lord, He is Lord, He is Lord. And everybody got started and had them on their feet. And we lost one moment in God when he sought to enter.

So I think it's the other side of the same coin. The same ones who will dismiss God rudely are the same ones that will invoke him lightly. And we're called to come into that mishmash mess and bring the sword of the Lord and bring the fear of the Lord and the truth of the Lord to a people who have been long spoiled by such cheapy things as I'm now describing.

And every one of us at one time or another, more than we'd like, have experienced. This is why we have anguished. And God is calling a halt. In fact, someone whispered to me later, if the Apostle Paul himself had come, he would have been shown the back door.

There would have been no place for him. It was a religious, institutional convention. And men spoke the conventional things. The things that please the hearing of those who are attenuated to religion as culture.

And in no segment of Christendom is that more conspicuous than in the Pentecostal realm. You want to talk about the greatest irony and travesty, but that movement that ostensibly celebrates the Holy Spirit is the one I believe most guilty of violating it.