Pastor Confronts Clinic Workers at Capital

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So what's wrong with the handmaid's tale? What's that? No, no, I'm from Phoenix. What's wrong with the handmaid's tale?

00:26

I know what's wrong with it. I think it's evil. But what's wrong with... Yeah. So that's how you guys do this?

00:34

I just asked you a question. I didn't offer you. I wasn't offering mine.

00:40

I asked you yours. No, you're trying to impose your opinion. No, no. What's wrong with the handmaid's tale?

00:46

Why don't you tell us what's wrong with it? Why are you lying? I can tell you. Would you like to listen? Ah, yes.

00:52

Offer us your manly opinion, please. I think the handmaid's tale is wicked because taking somebody and doing something with their body that you don't have permission to do is evil.

01:00

Correct? Is it correct? The lack of self -awareness is just...

01:06

Wow. So laughing, but no response. Laughing, but no response. That is a response.

01:12

You're laughing is a response? So that's what I believe is wrong with the handmaid's tale. Why do you think the handmaid's tale is wrong?

01:18

The lack of self -awareness in this discussion is quite telling. That's just a claim. You have no response.

01:23

So what's wrong with the handmaid's tale? No, my laughter is a response. It's not, ma 'am. It's just ignorance.

01:31

So what's wrong with the handmaid's tale? It's a lot of work for my parents. They can't even tell you what's wrong with the handmaid's tale.

01:36

You guys are dressed as the Handmaid's Tale and you can't say what's wrong with it. What's wrong with it?

01:43

What's wrong with the Handmaid's Tale? No, no, you want me to ask

01:50

Google what's wrong with the Handmaid's Tale? So what's wrong with rape? According to your world view

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Is it violating another person's body? You need to ask that question. You are buff.

02:03

No, no, I'm asking you to explain. What's wrong with rape according to your world view? Is it wrong to violate another person's body?

02:13

Thank you for that very pro -life argument. Thank you for the pro -life argument. It is wrong to take away choice from a woman.

02:20

What's that? What about the 500 ,000 little women every year that die?

02:26

Are we talking about the book? No, no, the 500 ,000 little women who die every year in abortion.

02:34

Oh, I am. That's that's like asking, do you believe if sex trafficking is illegal, sex trafficking will end?

02:50

Sure, yeah, yeah, sure, no problem. Thank you gentlemen. So, so you're opposed to violating another person's body against their will?

03:02

Okay, so there's your response. There's a typical pro -choice argument. They have no response.

03:08

You can't respond to the arguments. Well, you know, ma 'am, you can't debate it.

03:13

You can't debate it. Why don't you defend your position? Because you're a grown -ass man who will not fucking

03:20

Google it. So your response to a critical question to your position is Google it?

03:26

Yeah, educate yourself. You're a grown -ass man. So the pro -choice position has as a fundamental basis of truth,

03:33

Google? You are not a fucking child. Google? So let me ask you, what's wrong with violating another person's body in The Handmaid's Tale?

03:42

You're a grown -ass man. You can't do it for yourself. No, I'm asking you. You're here wearing, you're here wearing the costume.

03:49

Ma 'am, you're here wearing the costume. So I'm asking the women in the costumes, what's wrong with The Handmaid's Tale?

03:58

For the women in the costumes, you came dressed up. What's wrong with The Handmaid's Tale? Well, you made the statement that you said that you think violating a person's body and using their body against their will is wrong.

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Is evil. Is evil. You have no problem violating a woman's body and forcing her to intervene when you want to defeat it.

04:14

Sir, sir, sir, every... Sir, that's okay. Sir, thank you. No, thank you. I appreciate the interaction.

04:20

I'm going to show respect to him. I really appreciate the interaction. My response to you is that this is the world we live in.

04:27

Every human being is in the womb of their mother before they're actually born. You were too, sir. Oh, yeah.

04:33

Thanks for the biology. So the question is... Were you a heroin addict or a methamphetamine addict?

04:39

Oh, I was meth, alcohol, marijuana, pills, you name it. And then Jesus saved me from my sins.

04:47

And then Jesus saved me from my sins. What's that? Did your son get a 14 -year -old pregnancy? What's that? Did your son get a 14 -year -old pregnancy?

04:53

No. Oh, no? No. 15? No, that's not true. My son is married and has two grandchildren now.

05:00

So let me ask you a question. He's 20. My question to all of you is, is it immoral to violate a person's body against their will?

05:09

Yes, it is. It is. So thank you for the pro -life argument. Why? Because from the moment of conception, it's a human being.

05:17

It's funny that you think you're for life. What's that? It's funny that you think you're for life. No, I'm for life. You're for death. No, I'm for the life of a woman, an actual human being, to make a choice for her own body.

05:32

So that's the same argument that plantation owners used. They said, this is my plantation, this is my property.

05:40

Same argument they used then. Well, yeah, a piece of land is the same thing as a woman. No, they were saying property.

05:46

They said, it's my property. They said, it's my property. You're making the same argument as the plantation owners.

05:51

They're saying, my plantation, my choice. I'm not saying my anything. I can't get it.

05:56

It's not a false equivalence. Same argument. Same in principle. I'm not saying my anything.

06:02

I can't get pregnant. I can't have it. Well, we're talking about women who can get pregnant. Yes, and women making their own choices for their own bodies.

06:11

So on what basis are you making that argument? From what worldview? Are you an atheist?

06:16

I am. So you're a humanist. Yes. So do you believe in evolution? Yes. Okay. So on what basis do you call anything wrong according to your worldview?

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Anything? If all of us are bags of protoplasm in a purposeless universe, why are you making any moral...

06:32

I believe in human beings and human beings' right to have sanctity over their own bodies. Thank you.

06:37

So thank you for the pro -life argument, because at the moment of conception, it's human. So join our side.

06:42

So come on over. Yeah, right. Come on over. You just made the argument for the pro -life position.

06:47

Yeah. The sanctity of human life. Thank you. It's the same argument you're carrying. Sir, sir, you've refuted yourself.

06:54

As soon as a fetus is conceived, the body... Why are you speaking Latin? As soon as a...

07:00

Why are you speaking Latin? As soon as a fetus is conceived... Fetus means small child or refers to the offspring of a creature in reference to a human.

07:09

So you can say baby. Fertilized embryo. So you can say baby. Okay. So the embryo has a human...

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is a human... Are you talking about... Well, then the body that the embryo is encased in no longer has any rights.

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The body the embryo is encased in? Yes. So are you talking about a human being from conception?

07:31

Yes. That's what we're talking about. So let me ask you a question. Yeah. At what point is it okay to kill a human?

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The body that it happens in has no rights. You said you're a humanist and you believe in the sanctity.

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I'm trying to. I'm trying to. At the moment of conception, it's human.

07:49

You said you're a humanist and believe in the sanctity of human life. So at what point can I kill a human being at will against their will?

07:58

You're asking the wrong person. We've got all kinds of law enforcement here who can tell you when it's okay. So they'll tell you.

08:03

They're law enforcement. If you take the life of another human being unjustly, they'll put cuffs on you.

08:08

That's right. That's right. So taking the life of a human being in the womb unjustly is murder.

08:14

Fetus and embryo, a fertilized egg. Sir, we're English. You can speak English. Fetus means baby. Fertilized egg.

08:19

Okay. Thank you. So human, biologically from conception. You've lost the biological argument, sir.

08:26

From conception, it's human being. Regardless, can you still have an address when I said that? Is it because it's small?

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If it's fertilized, then the egg is within. It has no rights anymore. It no longer needs control.

08:38

Can you say that again? I'm sorry. I didn't understand what you said. You said the woman?

08:44

You mean the little woman? The little woman in the womb? She doesn't have any rights? I'm talking about the woman that has the egg that got fertilized.

08:53

That has the human. That has the egg that got fertilized. It's biologically human.

08:59

As soon as that egg is fertilized, that woman no longer has any rights. No longer has any say over what happens to their body.

09:05

Hold on. The body inside their body is not their body. Rose State, you go!

09:11

Rose State, you go! So that's the biological difference. Rose State, you go! Rose State, you go!

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This is the pro -choice movement. No answers. Only yelling. Rose State, you go!

09:24

Rose State, you go! Is Roe law?

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Rose State, you go! Rose State, you go! Can you guys have a coherent conversation?

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Rose State, you go! Rose State, you go! And there you go. So I hope the kids can see this.

09:44

This is the pro -choice position. You can't converse. We're talking.

09:50

So let me ask you. Is Roe, is Roe law? Is Roe law?

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I don't know what you're talking about, but you're right in saying it. You don't know if Roe is law? No, I'm not talking about that.

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I'm asking. You said Roe stays. So is Roe law? I'm sorry.

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They're disrespecting you right now. It rhymes.

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It rhymes. Which women?

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Which women? The women in the womb? The women in the womb?

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The women in the womb? The little women? No answers.

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Only shouting. What about the little women?

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Little women. What's that? What's that?

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Why are you speaking Latin again? Say baby. Including a baby. So you believe you should be able to murder a baby.

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I'm not murdering anybody. What's the definition of murder? What's the definition of murder?

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I'm asking you. You said it's not murder, so you must know what it is. What's murder? I think regardless, no one has the right to use their blood.

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You can't answer the question. What's murder? You said it's not murder.

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It's taking a human life in an unjust manner. Ask these officers, they'll tell you. If I take a human being and I kill them in an unjustified manner, that's murder.

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What is unjustified? Unjustified would be a mother taking the life of her unborn child. What's in the womb from conception is human.

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You're arguing that a woman should be able to take the life of a human being because it's inconvenient? It's infringing upon her bodily autonomy, yes.

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Okay, so because... The second somebody tries to rape me... Wait, wait, wait. You're not opposed to rape.

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I'm sorry. You're not opposed to rape. You believe that a human being can do what they want to another human being's body.

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We're not having a conversation. I'm sorry. Go ahead. The second someone tries to rape me,

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I have the right to defend myself. Why? Why? Why? The second someone tries to take my bodily autonomy, I have the right to defend myself.

12:33

So thank you for the pro -life argument. You just argued... It's not even pro -life. That's a pro -life argument. You said that...

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You said that a person can't do to your body what they want against your wishes. You said you have...

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Of course they need a carriage. Let me ask you a question. Do all women have bodily autonomy? Yes. Thank you for that pro -life argument for the woman in your body.

12:53

You're opposed to it. What about the rapist's bodily autonomy? Is that your argument? So your argument is full of shit. No, you are full of shit.

12:59

No, no, that's your argument. You can't respond, ma 'am. Ma 'am, you can't respond.

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Ma 'am, listen. What about the rapist's bodily autonomy? Respectfully, respectfully, you're the one here with friends wearing costumes.

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So saying I do this for a living, I mean, it's not a very good argument. You're here with people in costumes. I'm sorry, can you speak up?

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I'd like to hear you. I can't hear you. We get it. You have a YouTube where you ideologically masturbate about how your identity...

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I have a YouTube where I ideologically masturbate? Yes. Do you think that's effective rhetoric and polemics?

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Do you have an actual argument rather than, like, some polemical... What's that?

13:47

You just talked about ideological masturbation. How old are you, young woman? I am 17.

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You're 17? We got it. And so you think this is an effective form of argumentation, talking about ideological masturbation?

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Do you have an actual argument that's coherent? Young lady, that's not an argument.

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Young lady, that's not an argument. Okay, so I just responded to her position where she said that you shouldn't...

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that women should be able to have bodily autonomy, correct? So is your position fundamentally that women should have bodily autonomy?

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Yes. How about the little woman in the womb? It's a fetus. Can I ask you... Fetus is Latin for baby.

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You can speak English. We're all English -speaking here. Can I ask you a question? Yes. Is somebody... Yeah, for human development.

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Is dependent upon the blood in your body... Say that again. Is dependent upon the blood in your body to live.

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And you choose not to get that. Shouldn't that be illegal? Okay, can you repeat that so they...

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I'm sorry, I couldn't hear it. Say that again. If someone is dependent upon the blood in your body to live, and you choose not to give that to them, should that be illegal?

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So what you're arguing is if a human being is dependent upon another human being, we should be able to kill him.

15:07

I have a two -month -old baby right now. I'm responding. I'm responding.

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So your argument is that if a human being is dependent upon another, we should be able to kill them. I have a two -month -old little boy right now that's dependent upon his mother and me to live.

15:22

Can I kill him? That child is not dependent on you by logic. He's completely dependent upon us for his survival.

15:28

For his survival, he's dependent. Your argument is human dependence means you can kill him. No. That's what you argued.

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No. He's fully dependent. You are purposefully misunderstanding. No, I'm telling you in principle what your argument is.

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You just argue that human dependence... I'm not even interested in any kind of... No, you've been refuted. You've been refuted. Absolutely not.

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Yes. All right. How you doing, sir? Do you have an answer yet for the challenge

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I gave to you? Yeah. A fetus in the timeline... Fetus is

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Latin for baby. We're English speakers. You can say baby. Go ahead, sir. I don't give a fuck.

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I don't really have nothing to say to you. It doesn't have sex characteristics. Sorry. Say, what doesn't have sex characteristics?

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A baby. At the moment of conception, the DNA, biologically speaking, the

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DNA at the moment of conception has a determination whether it's male or female. So from the moment of conception, it is either male or female.

16:22

Source? You're not... Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Source? You're not arguing from a...

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Source? I will give you a source. Yeah, what is it? Read any biological textbook. I'm trying to tell you.

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Yeah. Read any biological textbook, and it will tell you, and it will tell you... I think he meant to say textbook.

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Basic biological textbook will tell you that at the... What's the textbook? Would you like me to respond?

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Did you read it? I'm so sorry. Absolutely. Here's what I'd refer you to. Your friends were referring to Google.

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Just Google DNA, the moment of conception, biological sex. Google people that have failed acting careers as karate.

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You'll see. Just Google people that weren't that good at martial arts and try to make a career out of it. Yeah. Just Google that.

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So this is called ad hominem argumentation. Is it not true? In logic, in logic, it's a logical fallacy.

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So her argument against the biological issues related to DNA and sex was that I'm not good at martial arts.

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That's what's called ad hominem. It's called ad hominem. Okay. So I would encourage you to look at DNA, biology, moment of conception, male or female.

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Okay. Okay? Okay. You did what?

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You did what? So your argument is...

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Your argument is to what I said about biology was that I'm a fucking bitch.

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That's the pro -life, that's the pro -choice position. You got me. That's the basic, the pro -choice position.

18:07

Fantastic. Okay. So did you have an argument, sir? To the challenge about rape?

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No, you said... You're the pro -rape guy, right? No, no, no. I think rape as an abomination deserves a death penalty.

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That's what I think about rape. Right, right. Don't you believe that if a young girl is raped that she should be forced to have...

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Yeah, I don't think we should give capital punishment to the children of criminals. No. But you do.

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You believe in capital punishment for children. I believe in killing the rapist. I believe that...

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Let me ask you this. I believe that rapists deserve to die. Do you believe that? Do I believe what?

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That rapists deserve the death penalty? I don't believe in killing. Except children. You do believe in killing the child of the rapist.

18:54

I do not believe in killing. Sir, you just argued... That would be... Are you a Republican or a Democrat? I'm... No, neither.

19:00

So I would argue that my position is actually the consistent position because you believe that you should kill the child of a rapist.

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You don't believe that rapists deserve the death penalty. You believe you should kill the child. No, no. That's what you said.

19:15

We have a different definition of child. Okay. So what's your definition of child?

19:20

How far back do we want to go? Are you familiar with Connie Johnson's Every Sperm is Sacred bill? Sperm are not humans.

19:28

Oh, they're not? No. Well, you don't go back that far. Sir, do you understand how biology works? That when the sperm meets the egg, we have a human, not sperm?

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The sperm itself is what helps create life. Sir, yes, but humans... Do you go back that far?

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Humans are... I would like to stop after you now. Sir, sir, basic biology will show you that sperm and an egg creates human life.

19:49

Sperm is not human life. He admitted that it was human life. What? Sperm...

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Yeah, so you do agree then that when sperm meets the egg, it's human life. Do you believe that?

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No. You don't believe it, so you disagree with biology. You just said it. You disagree with biological science.

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You just said that when a sperm and egg creates life. You just said it. So, but you do believe that you should give capital punishment to the children of rapists.

20:13

That's conception. Conception and a viable child is not the same thing. So when you say viability, you believe that you should make the determination of whether someone is alive or a person?

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Okay, a four -week -old fetus out of the womb... Why are you speaking Latin? ...cannot survive. Sir, my two -month -old can't survive without me.

20:34

Right? Also, if a human being is on life support, they can't survive on their own, correct? So in principle, you believe you should kill them.

20:41

You're one of the organizers of this thing, right? What's that? You're one of the organizers of this thing. An organizer of this? All of these people actually follow what you say because you're a fucking idiot.

20:52

That's all you got? That's all you got? That's all you got? That's all you got? That's all you got? There you go. Notice that we didn't install you like that along with everybody else.