Didaché - A Clarifying Retraction

Well, Steve brother, thank you for coming back on the program.

How you doing today?

I'm good back from California with our new.

United States Marine and.

It's a joy to have him home.

That's great.

This is your son.

This is my son.

Yeah, we went to the graduation and yeah.

Tell you what, that was.

That was it was worth being there.

I bet.

Proud moment.

I'm sure so well many.

Thanks to your son for his service.

Appreciate that.

Absolutely.

Well, Steve, let's uh, let's revisit.

Had you on my program a few days ago talking about Robert Morris and

his Rape, there's no other appropriate word for that of a of a

child a girl who was 12 years old at the time that continued for four years and

As we were talking about that You made the point in the program I

think on a couple of different occasions that James Robison knew of

this when he helped quote -unquote restore Robert mirror Morris

to to ministry.

So since that interview was done though, there's been some new light Come out new information come

out.

And so we want to set the record straight.

So, um, I'll leave it with you.

Yes, man, thank you Justin, thank you for letting me do this and and I do I want the record

straight.

It's important that what we say we're accountable for and so I'm gonna be accountable for a false statement

I made and I want to tell you three things.

I want to tell you what I said I want to tell you why I'm retracting it and apologizing

and The context of why I said what I said, it is important.

I believe it's important and I think Hopefully other people will recognize that as well.

The first thing is what I said I made a quote something to the effect of I know for a fact that

James Robinson was at that meeting That that sounds like I have not even gone back and checked it.

Okay, and that Statement was wrong.

It was that's not true.

James Robinson was not at that meeting between Cindy her father and Robert Morris

now somebody might have been but he wasn't.

He was not there.

That's a fact.

How do I know this?

I know this because Cindy Said he wasn't there

and if Cindy said he wasn't there He wasn't there, right?

And so I put that together based upon Oh 25

years or 30 year around 30 years of history

Interacting With Shady Grove and the restoration of Robert Morris and

knowing him and Finding out that he's that he wasn't there Is incredible shock

to me?

That that detail I Want to apologize for to James James.

I apologize having said that that that you were there and you weren't and

You know what?

I To apologize, it's a joy to be accountable for the words that I speak and if

something is incorrect I want to know in fact, I'd love to be wrong about more Yeah of

what's been said.

I wish this was all wrong I wish I was waking up from a dream and none of this had happened.

That would be my preference.

Sure, and so I don't I don't think a Christian has to overly stress

Really having to repent and apologize and That's that's.

That's something we shouldn't be Slow to do.

Yeah, the blood of Jesus has already outed me.

It took the slaughter of the Son of God to redeem me I don't have anything to hide after that.

That's what it took to save me.

I mean.

And so the context of that I I really want James to hear and James has my cell number James I

think you have my number.

I think Tom B Gave you that and I don't I understand if you don't want to talk.

It's fine.

I would like to personally.

But either way, I want to explain the context.

And so this I'll try not to take up too much time.

I guess Justin.

Thanks for letting me share.

Oh, it's okay.

Go ahead um There's a video going around right now and it is a video of

a shady Grove elder reunion.

It happened it I think it may have been Roberts house.

And I don't know where they were but but Olin Griffin was there Robert and Debbie were there.

And and many elder families you could find it and in one of the things that's on the video Jerry

Benjamin is talking and Jerry says This is not a quote but she says

something to the effect of all my heroes are in this room and She she points

into all the people that are there and I saw that video and I was like I understand completely what she's

saying because all my former heroes are in that room and and

Those were the men and the women that Kelly and I looked up to in a way in a way that that

almost transcended respect it was just These were the people who were

our mentors our teachers they were our elders and the elders wives and and That love is not

wane.

It's never wane.

It's not cheap and it's not gone away.

Yeah, I understand what she meant and the reason why I'm saying that is That when you talk about

the elders that were in that room being heroes.

James Robinson Transcended in my mind.

The heroes that were in that room.

He was bigger than life.

Some of that goes back to my past.

I was given a book called thank God.

I'm free that James wrote.

I think I might have been 20 years old because it was before I went to Shady Grove.

Someone gave it to me when I was still in Waco and I read that book had had tremendous impact on my life

and I had High respect for him.

So when I went to Shady Grove, I learned that James had a similar background as I

had in in my upbringing with Being removed from my home by Child

Protective Services and and I just thought this guy this guy I can relate to

this man and when I heard that he had restored Robert that he had not just kicked

him to the curb, but but loved him and Wanted to see him restored.

That to me was like Not wanting to throw somebody in the trash and I I just

thought this guy Bigger than life.

And so all the stories I ever heard.

I Promise you they were all good.

I never heard one Negative thing about James Robinson's character.

Not one thing.

It was always how he came to Roberts aid.

He ran to meet him there James.

James had let him work for him and and he had preached with James they were kind of a

older and a younger team and then when when Robert fell in ministry,

he brought him to Olin and And handed him off for restoration.

It was always that James was right in the middle of it.

Robert told me stories like this.

Robert told me stories of how James Loved him unconditionally, but spoke really

hard truth to him.

Robert respected him so much that he named his second son after him.

I don't know if you know that James Morris is named after.

He's named after James Robinson.

Yeah, I don't know what higher respect you could give to somebody right?

And so here's the souring figure and in.

And to me that timeline was one -to -one Robert Falls.

James comes running to the rescue.

Like a white knight and brings him to someone who can pastor him through that's Olin gripping at a safe

place at Shady Grove.

So you see it that way and I had that confirmed.

Actually, I had an experience.

I really only had one interaction with James Robinson.

And it was I don't even know if James will remember this James.

We were we ended up not playing golf together, but we were at Cowboy Golf Club.

And I think it's right behind technically and our our group was ahead of his group and we were slow

so his group caught up and the two groups ended up talking together and

I'm standing there next to the cart.

James is sitting in the car and there's a couple of men probably three four men standing around and

Well before that I've gone up to James and I thanked him for his book.

I told him it made an impact on my life or younger you understand we're working where you're.

You're stopping in a golf hole and then you can talk a little bit and then everybody moves on yeah, this particular golf hole

a Topic came up related to John MacArthur and I don't know if James will

remember this.

I was I was literally there and I know this for a fact.

Yeah a topic came up related to John MacArthur and James made some comments that he understood to be

true.

He just did and he understood to be true.

He was mistaken.

And what I said, I said I said right in front of other guys and I wasn't rude to him because I had the highest Respect.

I said actually I said, uh, I don't know what I called him.

I I don't think I just referred to him as James.

I probably said mr. Robinson.

I Said actually this and I and I gave him just some clarity on

What actually was a motive in it and what it transpired.

And I didn't know what to expect.

James is James.

James a big guy and he's bigger in person he has a very immense presence and I'm not saying that

in a bad way and so I said this to him and Literally, this is what happened.

I Gave him what it was in some sense of correction.

He looks at me and he looks me right in the eye and he goes Oh Okay.

Just like that and that was that and Everything I'd ever thought about his character was

dynamically confirmed.

At least in my eyes because what he did was he listened to this way younger man.

Give him a correction and he just went okay, and I thought well there it is.

He wants what's true and I don't know I Humility in it and

I saw a love for the truth and so when all this happened.

Those are the stories that come falling down on you because I could have said I had the same respect for Robert, too.

Mm -hmm yeah, and so When I'm putting James as a matter of fact in my heart

and in my mind when I'm putting him in that moment in that meeting.

It's synonymous it was synonymous to me as if I would have told you that Washington crossed the Delaware.

I Wasn't there.

I don't know I.

But I've been taught by credible people that Washington crossed the Delaware and later on we come up with a

historic document That says Washington was in Dallas when in the Delaware was crossed.

I would say I was I was mistaken.

That was wrong I believed The pictures that were painted for me and there are men who are gonna

see this video and they know who they are and They painted that picture and they know that they did.

Yeah, and they get to deal with their own conscience on that deal.

Yeah, so That that's how that went.

I apologize for that I apologize for that detail.

Yeah for that detail.

Yeah that detail.

Absolutely.

I do and I'm grateful For the way that things are further being investigated I

feel like a burden is on my heart now for women who've been abused like that.

We have we have imported the worst thing you can have from the world and and I'm glad that's being outed.

And so I'm glad there are people on these things that are investigating in totality just to name three.

Number one would be Dee Parsons.

And if you want to follow her it's at wart watch on X.

And thank you D for the work.

You're putting in Amy Smith Tremendous testimony of

her own sexual abuse and The rejection she's faced and taking a stand for it.

I can tell you in just a few days the assault that's come against me.

Okay, I'm like, okay I respect these women because they've been putting up with this far longer than I will and getting worse

Amy Smith is that at watch keep on X and also Wade Burleson

Wade Burleson is at Wade underscore Burleson if you follow them on X

there's good information on there and and I think these are people that are truly looking to know what the facts are and

Hopefully if they report wrong facts, they would have the integrity to say that and the boldness to

take a stand When they are sure that's what I'm hoping to do

and so Justin I appreciate you brother.

I thanks for letting me do that.

And I hope in no way this reflects upon you in a negative light I know.

You trusted me to make factual statements and that one was not yeah, well, it's I.

Appreciate it brother.

I appreciate you coming on and setting the record straight and we both wanted to do that.

So once it was brought to our attention we.

Yeah, and you know, I just to

there are other concerns big -time concerns serious concerns that I have

with James Robison and his theology and even going back to this issue there was a

Statement Steve.

I'm sure you've seen it that life outreach.

Of course, that's James Robison's ministry put out on June 18th Of this year, of course,

and I'm looking at it right here.

It says it's a statement about Robert Morris.

Says in the late 80s Robert Morris joined James Robison Evangelistic Evangelistic Association

as the morning supervisor in the call center his role included overseeing the daily administrative task of the call center.

During his employment at JRE a Robert Morris duties did not include

public speaking.

Nor was James Robison involved in professional counseling or formal restoration to ministry for

Robert Morris.

But that statement is not true Steve.

When they say that Robert Morris's duties did not include public speaking Yes,

they did because I believe it was Amy Smith.

Actually you mentioned her I think it was Amy Smith that put up these new newspaper clippings of

Talking about how Robert Morris while an employee of the James Robison Evangelistic

Association is preaching revivals in Vicksburg, Mississippi my hometown actually when it

gave the address like oh, I know where that is.

In 1988.

So this was.

Yeah, I don't understand that letter and I'll leave it at that that I that I don't understand it

because I Was always told again here I am.

Yeah, I'm not gonna make a statement of fact.

But I can tell you that I can make this statement of fact.

I was always told Robert took a full two years off.

That he did not do any ministry.

He did work at James Robison, I forget what was

called in Today Yeah Evangelistic Association, I think

okay.

Yeah, and that in that he he did something with the phone systems and yeah, so I don't know how to square

that and I'm not gonna research it and try to whittle that down.

I think there's professionals out there doing that and you know what?

I think they're gonna do a good job because I think God's in this yeah, and and

If James has nothing to worry about James has nothing to worry about.

But there won't be more from me.

Yeah, because I feel like I feel like that I Was

too close to it and I was given other people's stories.

Again, I'll say it James.

You have my phone number if you want it from from from Tom, you know I'm well, I would welcome to talk to you.

Absolutely, right, but I don't see how though.

I don't I don't personally see how that letter which I did read and and

the The receipts that Amy's bringing.

Mm -hmm.

I don't understand it.

I'm just gonna understand it.

I don't either I don't.

I don't see how that statement That was put out by life.

Outrage June 18th and these newspaper clippings.

They can't both be true.

They're mutually hard for both of them to be true.

They can't both be true.

Yeah, and Theologically speaking with James Robeson, I mean, I know a little I've listened to him fair

amount and I've watched some of his programs.

I know kind of his general testimony used to be Southern Baptist and was kind of known as a Kind of a

firebrand Southern Baptist preacher calling out sin and and then he claims he had this

Deliverance that he had some demons extricated from himself that delivered him

of anger and lust and all these other kind of things and and then all of a sudden after that he became much more

ecumenical and James Robeson is very ecumenical now.

The point that He affirms Roman

Catholics as Christians brothers in Christ had a meeting with some

other well -known charismatic figures with Pope Francis ten years ago, actually Pope Francis at the time was the new

Pope and Affirms Roman Catholic has had Jonathan Morris as a guest on

his program life today more than once.

I don't know how many times but father George Jonathan Morris Roman Catholic and The Robeson's

James and Betty Robeson are good close personal friends with Kenneth Copeland so.

Once again tonight I Am introducing to you

to this platform my dear Covenant brother James Robeson.

I mean I'll speak for myself here Steve.

I don't think you would disagree, but if if you're close personal friends with someone as

dark and sinister as Kenneth Copeland who is one of the most prolific

false prophets and egregious heretics And is done more to exploit the

poor and the sick than just about anybody else under the guise of Christianity if

if you're some if you're friends with someone like that then I I got issues with you.

So I'll leave it at that.

Yeah, I think I feel I think we've both fulfilled What I think is a

requirement for us to make something right.

And you know, you're gonna post this I'm gonna pin it to my Twitter and If James

wants to call and wants to talk I'm gonna talk to him, but I'm gonna talk to him.

Yeah, yeah, okay.

Because somebody was there.

Yeah, but he wasn't.

And why does it matter?

Why does it matter?

Because they they have.

They contributed to what Cindy's gone through.

Right, and I don't want to lose sight of that.

I don't want us to lose sight of the fact That a child was molested

For four and a half years.

Yes, and it was not just The man who did it who knew

about it right after the fact that was.

Yeah, yep, it wasn't just Robert Morrison knew about it.

No it wasn't and so.

The disappointment and the disappointment that people feel right now is Is a

testimony to the love that they had And to the unity that we felt.

Sure.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Okay, so because it felt like Camelot back then back in the day he felt like we were truly part of something

special and unique relationally and.

And other and and.

Many have never experienced that again.

I Can honestly say I got I get to find that again and it's wonderful.

But yeah.

But to see to see the people that You respected that way.

Yeah, I feel sorry for the Shady Grovers and for the gateways that are grieving the loss of.

NMCO for and what they you know, you know and see we said in our last program

together I guess this would be a good place to end.

We know that there are a lot of hurting disappointed shell -shocked maybe

even People going to Gateway who were very sincere

and and really want to worship the Lord want to Want to have a good church and

we encourage them to find a good church.

Gateway.

Gateway is not it never was you can't have you know.

The the associations the endorsements that they you know, Todd white Kenneth

Copeland.

You know you can't Be in those theological circles and it'd be a good church, it's just not.

So but there are good churches in the DFW area.

You're yours is one of them a little far to drive.

Maybe if you're living in South Lake, but there's yeah, you know Sherman Bible Church, there's countryside

Bible Church.

There's others and I'll put a link down below in the description.

So and wherever Steve Lawson is there in Arlington?

I can't remember the name of it.

Yeah, yeah, that's yeah, there's options there's options in the

DFW area.

There's options.

People need help on that.

I mean shit.

Sure.

And Bob is willing to help.

Yes.

So dear ones will I'll put the links down below in the description and this is not exhaustive.

I'm sure there are other good churches as well.

But here's just a few options for you in the DFW area if that's where you are.

So Steve brother.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you for you know setting the record straight doing the right thing and Yeah,

making making it right.

So we appreciate it brother.

Thank you.

Thank you for letting me.

I appreciate that.

Yep.

Absolutely.

Okay, dear ones until our next time together.

May the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ the love of God and the fellowship of his Holy Spirit be with you all.