(Come Up Higher) Seeing Things From God's Viewpoint — Zac Poonen

Seeing the Heavenly Viewpoint in Revelation

We don't have this exact scripture come up higher in exactly that way anywhere in the Bible. We do see something very similar to that in Revelation chapter 4. Revelation chapter 4 verse 1 begins like this.

After these things, and that's a very important phrase, after these things, I looked, and behold, a door was standing open in heaven, and the first voice which I heard was like the sound of a trumpet speaking with me that said, come up here, come up higher.

John, you are standing on earth, and as long as you stand there, when you look at things around you, you are being persecuted, you are in the isle of Patmos, things look very bleak, the Roman emperor is still ruling, Christians are being persecuted, and the worst part, John, is that even those churches that you planted, they are in a very backslidden condition.

Think of the church in Ephesus that Paul planted, they have left their first love, the elders left their first love, they are a big church, but they don't love me like they did before, they are taken up now with programs and activities.

Think of the church in Pergamos where they've got the prosperity gospel, the teaching of Belal, how to preach and make money. Think of the church in Fiatira where the elder's wife, Jezebel, is running the show.

There's a strong woman in that church and nobody can quiet her. She runs the church. Think of the church in Sardis, there's no sign of life in that elder, he's just got a name. And then think of the church in Laodicea.

Churches that the apostles planted, pathetic. They think they are spiritual, but Jesus is outside the door of the church in Laodicea, saying, if anyone will open the door, I will come in. Imagine a church where Jesus is standing at the door and knocking.

That's the church in Laodicea, Revelation 3 .20. They think they are rich because they've got a lot of money, they're not like the old days when they were poor, they're rich and they've got plenty of goods.

They think they have need of nothing, they've got so much knowledge, but they are pathetic. And John says, Oh Lord, I tell you, it's pretty discouraging for anyone who's planted churches to see those churches in a pathetic condition.

It's like if you have children and you find those children not studying properly, wayward, with bad friends. That's exactly how John felt when he looked at these churches. And there was persecution. We would have thought that persecution should purify the church.

But it wasn't bad enough to purify the church in Laodicea or in Thyatira or Pergamos or Ephesus. They were worldly. And John looked at all this and you can imagine that he was discouraged. Lord, what's the use?

I've labored for you 65 years. Is this going to be the end result of it all? But the Lord said, Come up here. You've got to look at these things from heaven's standpoint. And I think what the Lord showed him there was, when he went up to heaven, looked at it from heavenly standpoint, he saw that even though these churches were in a bad condition and the elders were all, some were lording it over others and they were bossy and just more interested in preaching and in their position than in being servants and shepherds, just like a lot of churches and elders today, that the Lord said to John, but John, there are some overcomers in these churches.

You know that? To each church, the Lord said, there are some overcomers who are overcoming the spirit that they see in the church. They are not the elders. Some of them are younger brothers. And the elders will not let them speak or let them have, but they've got a spirit, John, that loves people.

And that's what John saw. And there was hope for the future because there were overcomers in the younger generation. And that's what the Lord is looking for today. Many of those who started working from the sixth hour in the morning are satisfied, but God is looking for those in the younger generation, men and women, who will really be overcomers in their life, who will overcome sin, who will overcome the spirit of the world, who will be satisfied with Jesus alone and Himself.

God’s Mercy Toward Broken Lives

And I want to tell you this, my brother, sister, even if you have bungled up your whole life, you've made a mess of your life, even if you're like the woman of Samaria, divorced five times and now sleeping around with a man who is not even your husband.

It's amazing that Jesus could use even a woman like that to bring a revival in Samaria. Who would have ever thought of using a five times divorced woman who was sleeping with a sixth man now to bring a revival in Samaria?

I tell you, God's ways are not our ways. And some of these people who look so wretched and miserable in their heart, I can imagine that woman in Samaria must have divorced because she was looking for something.

She didn't find it in her first husband. So she chucked him. She said, I'll find happiness in the second one. She didn't find it there. Chucked him. Third, fourth, fifth. She said, okay, better not to get married.

I'll just stay around with a man. Still not satisfied. What she really needed was Jesus. You know, there are a lot of people, you look at them, why are they in broken homes? They're looking for something which they'll never find in a man or a woman.

They have to find it in Jesus. Those of you who are looking for satisfaction in your husband or your wife, I can tell you right now, you'll be disappointed. Some of you, I don't need to tell that, you already know it.

You'll find your satisfaction in Jesus. And when you find your satisfaction in Jesus, you'll really have a very happy time, even in your home. That's the secret. So John, for that you have to come up to that heavenly viewpoint and see everything from there.

God looks at things so different from the way we look at it. Come up here, the Lord says. Are you in a messed up situation? You know the word of the Lord to you? Come up here. Come up higher. But you say, Lord, I messed up my life so badly.

You come up here and I'll show you how even the mess you made of your life was part of my education that I was giving you so that when you meet other women like that in the world, who are divorced five times, you will not despise them like the other holy believers do.

You'll be able to help them. Do you know there are a lot of broken lives in the world? A lot of broken, unhappy marriages. A lot of children who have been abused when they were small. Parents who don't bring up their children properly.

There are many people like that, who suffered a lot in their homes and their backgrounds. And God maybe has trained you through the mess you made in your life to be able to help such people. God's ways are not our ways.

I'm not saying you should go and make a mess of your life. I'm saying if you've already made a mess of your life, then God can use that for His purpose. Because He can give you a heart of compassion for people which someone who was brought up in a very holy, pure way will never have.

He can have it if he gets close to Jesus. But I found, generally speaking, sometimes I look at some people who are brought up in very good homes. They never bungled up their life. They never did anything wrong.

And it's good. That's the best way to grow up. Provided they become like Jesus. But unfortunately, many of them become Pharisees. And they look down on others whose lives have been messed up. God has to do a work in us.

And the way He does is by lifting us higher. To come up higher means you look at people the way God looks at them. What that means is, if it's a Mary Magdalene, who was probably an immoral woman, had seven demons inside her, when she's delivered from the demons, and cleansed in the blood of Christ, God sees her as a saint, and says, that's the one who must be the first human being to see the resurrected Jesus.

And if God asked you and me to select the person, the first person to see Jesus, I'm sure none of us would have selected Mary Magdalene. I know who I would have selected. I would have selected Mary, His mother.

She suffered so much in her life. She should be the first person to see the resurrected Jesus among all human beings. But I realize that God's ways are superior even to my ways. I think Mary should be the one.

But it's not. I've seen sometimes in different churches, where you think, yeah, that's the person who's really going to be spiritual. And I discover over the period of years, he's not. She's not. It's somebody else.

We have so many human prejudices. They all disappear when we come up higher, and look at things from God's viewpoint. Even our circumstances. So many things that cause problems in your home. Just imagine if for a moment, you went up to heaven and say, how is God looking at this particular problem in my home?

Maybe somebody is sick. Maybe there's a financial difficulty. Or whatever thing there is. I say, Lord, how are you looking at this right now? This is the secret. Come up higher. You know, in Colossians chapter 3, the same thing is said in other words.

Colossians chapter 3 and verse 1 onwards. It says, If you have been raised up with Christ, keep seeking the things that are above. Where Christ is seated, at the right hand of God. Set your mind on the things, and not on the things that are on the earth.

The Mind and Tongue as Instruments for God

See that verse. Let your mind come up higher. Do you know, that one of the most important parts of our personality, that God uses in this day, is our mind. And one of the most important parts of our body, which God uses in this day, is our tongue.

Please remember this. The most important part of your body, that God wants to use today, is your tongue. That's why there were tongues of fire, on the day of Pentecost, on their heads. God is saying, this is the instrument I'm going to use, in these days.

Preaching of God's word. That doesn't mean only from the pulpit. How many of you sisters, may never stand in a pulpit? But you use your tongue? People say, you use your tongue more than men. Well, why not use it in a good way then?

Your tongue, to bless people. A soothing tongue, Proverbs says, is a tree of life. It's very interesting. There's a tree of life mentioned in Genesis, chapter 2. Then you read about the tree of life in Proverbs, and it's a tongue.

It's from this tongue, that people can come to the tree of life. And that's inside your mouth. And James 3 says, that the same tongue can be set on fire, with the fire of hell. And we have heard a lot of that.

Words, that people speak, that have come straight from the pit of hell. Angry words, evil words, gossiping words, backbiting words, straight from the pit of hell. We are surrounded by that. Murmuring words, complaining words, critical words, accusations, murmurings, all types of things.

Now, I've sometimes thought, you know, if I actually were to physically go up higher, and stand with God, and look at this world, and I could hear all the sounds going on in the world, you know what I would hear?

Murmuring, grumbling, complaining, accusation, even accusation of God, why did you allow this in my life? Accusation against one another. If I could see the world, I would see husbands and wives fighting with each other, even in Christian homes.

Children rebelling against their parents, parents being unmerciful to their children. What a rotten world. The Lord says, come up here, and see the condition of this world, the way I see it. And I have placed you, in the midst of that world, to be a light for me.

So that's why you need to be careful with your tongue, and your mind. Like it says here, set your mind on the things above. You know, in our human personality, there's mind and emotions. Mind is what we think and understand.

Emotions are what we feel. You know, you can hear a message and feel excited, or feel angry. But Jesus, He never tried to stir people's emotions. He always spoke to the mind. If you read the messages of Jesus, in the Gospels, you never find Him saying, trying to wake people up saying, Hallelujah, Hallelujah.

He was not trying to reach people's emotions. He was trying to reach their mind. He was saying things like, if you earthly fathers, know how to give good gifts to your children, don't you think your heavenly father, will give good gifts to his children?

That's a message that goes to my mind, not my emotions. Jesus never tried to whip up people's feelings with emotion and shouting and yelling. There are preachers who can do that, usually politicians. Politicians do that, because they get people all excited to get a vote.

And preachers do that to get money. Politicians also do it to get money. But Jesus never did it. Because He knew that emotion is like, you know, you put a little bit of powdered soap into a bucket of water and stir it up, and there's a lot of froth and soap bubbles and all that.

You come back a half an hour later, you see it's all just soapy water. All the bubbles and froth have gone. That's emotion. We have churches today that have majored on emotion. And some people, many Christians, cannot distinguish between the fullness of the Holy Spirit and fullness of emotion.

Emotion is a part of the soul. It doesn't make anybody spiritual. That's why, you know, I was puzzled when I saw, now I've looked around almost all the denominations and leaders in India. I've traveled the length and breadth of this country.

And I've seen Indians in other countries too. And I have seen something, or you see it on television. The biggest lovers of money among Christian preachers are those who speak in tongues. That's what my observation.

You can disagree with me if you like. But I've seen that. And who whip up emotions in their preaching. They are the biggest lovers of money. They are the people who take maximum money from the poor people and live in a rich standard themselves.

That itself shows me this whole thing is wrong. How can a man be filled with the Spirit of Christ and become a bigger lover of money than he was before? He should love money less. And I say, that's not the fullness of the Spirit.

It's not the fullness of the Holy Spirit. Maybe some other Spirit, and I don't want that Spirit. That's what cured me, or warned me, about the danger of a lot of what's called charismatic Christianity and Pentecostalism today.

I'm not saying there's nothing good in it. There are some very fine people. But a lot of them don't have discernment between what is soulish and what is spiritual. Emotions are not Holy Spirit. Jesus never tried to whip up people's emotions, but he did speak to the mind.

And if you've heard my preaching and the preaching in our church, we are always seeking to reach your mind. We're not trying to get you all excited and leave you with soap bubbles that disappear half an hour later.

But to reach your mind. It says you set your mind on the things above. How do you find the will of God? It says in Romans chapter 12. Romans chapter 12. How do we become like Christ? The will of God is that we become like Christ.

And the more we become like Christ, the more we'll be able to find the will of God. Many people ask me, Brother Zach, how can I find God's will? I'll tell you. The more you become like Christ, the more easier it'll be to find God's will.

Becoming Like Christ to Know God’s Will

Okay. Second question. How do I become like Christ? Here it is. Romans 12, 1 and 2. First of all, give your body to God as a living sacrifice. That means every part of your body. Not as a dead sacrifice.

You see, that's the difference between Old Covenant and New Covenant. In the Old Covenant, every sacrifice was a dead one. You could not offer a live bullock to God. You could not offer a live lamb to God.

It had to be killed. Every sacrifice in the Old Testament was a dead one. But now, we are in the New Covenant. And so we have to offer a living sacrifice. A living sacrifice means while I'm alive, I give my body to God.

To kill this body and say, okay, now I'll never commit sin with my tongue, doesn't mean anything. It's when I'm alive and I have choices that I give my body to God. It's like, I like that little prayer that I read somewhere.

Maybe you heard it. It's a little humorous prayer. Well, Lord, for the last six hours, I've never gossiped. I've never spoken evil. I've never hurt anybody with my tongue. I've never done anything wrong with my tongue.

But now I'm getting out of bed. And now I need a lot of help. You got it? See, when we are fast asleep, we don't hurt anybody. We're not speaking anything evil. It's when we are alive that I have to be a sacrifice.

Every moment. A living sacrifice. I have to die there. When somebody speaks to me in some way, that's the moment for me to die and be a living sacrifice. In my body. When I'm tempted with my eyes, that's the time for me to die and be a living sacrifice.

That's the first step. And then I have to give my mind. What's our goal? To become like Christ. I give my mind, verse 2, in my mind, I don't allow my mind to think like this world. Down here, I need to come up higher in my mind and in God thinks.

That's the meaning of being renewed in your mind. To look at things from God's viewpoint. That's the meaning of renewing our mind. To come up higher. See, our mind is so down to earth, lower. Why? Because we've grown up like that.

Maybe your parents put all types of worldly values into your head. I'll tell you, that's why children who have been given worldly values by their parents from childhood. Oh, what a battle it is when they grow up.

To break free from that. Some of you who are praying that your children will become spiritual, you ask yourself, who gave them those worldly values in the beginning? Wasn't it you? You drilled a whole lot of worldly values into their mind and now you say, hey Lord, take it all away.

It's like feeding poison, poison, poison, poison, poison into somebody and then you go to the hospital and say, can you please give my son a stomach wash? No, God can do it. And the hospital will do it.

But first of all, acknowledge your sin. Lord, I don't blame my children. I was the one who put those worldly values into their head. And I need to repent first of all. I'm sorry. I want to put some heavenly values into them now.

And those of you who are so lucky that you're newly married and you hear these messages in the church, running, or your children are small, you are so lucky that you can put heavenly values into the minds of your children, make it easier for them when they grow up.

If anybody here has a child that is unconverted, ask yourself what is the reason? If anybody here is a child who is not a wholehearted disciple of Jesus, ask yourself what is the reason? What values did you put into their head when they were young?

Did you discipline them like a heavenly father disciplines his children? Or did you allow them to go their own way? Did you instruct them? Did you fight with your wife at home and show them that those things are not serious?

We need to repent first. I believe God can do miracles for our children, but the parents must repent first. And say, Lord, we put all types of wrong values into their mind. They saw all types of wrong things in our home.

So we want to repent first. And then perhaps something will happen with our children. Maybe they heard you criticizing the brothers in the church in your home. Oh, I'll tell you, that is one of the greatest sources of evil.

I tell you there are a number of people I know in CFC who have spoken evil of the elders and others in their homes. Well, there is one law of God that you cannot change and I cannot change. To sow, you will reap.

Brother Zach, pray for me. I sowed potatoes, but I want tomatoes at harvest time. I'm sorry, I don't have that faith. You can repent and start sowing tomatoes now. Then there's some hope. I don't have the faith that God will change the laws of nature.

No. We can repent now, but we got to acknowledge our fault. We should not pretend that we did not sow anything. I believe God is against dishonest people. And lot of us can be so thoroughly dishonest that we blame our children, where we should be blaming ourselves.

Don't let your mind be conformed to the values of this world. Change your value stem. That doesn't mean don't use the things of this world. Jesus taught us to pray for material things. After we have prayed, Hallowed be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done.

Once we got our priorities right, we can pray, give me this day my daily bread. And not only me, Lord, give my fellow believers, give us this day our daily bread. And not only me and my fellow believers, give us our children our daily bread.

In other words, what am I saying? Lord, help me to get a job so that I can earn my daily bread. I don't want to be dependent on others. I don't want to be dependent on good people in the church to help me in my time of need.

I want to work with my hands and support myself. And I want to educate my children. Why? Because I want them to earn their daily bread. I don't want them to grow up and become parasites on society. Depend on, depend on, for handouts from other people who are nice people around them.

No, I don't even want my children to grow up like that. I want them to earn their daily bread. Because we are taught to give us this daily bread. It comes from heaven. So that's why we believe in educating our children so that they can get their daily bread when they grow up.

Instead of wandering around, struggling and waiting, borrowing from here and borrowing from there and borrowing. Do you know the number of people in CFC who borrow money as if they haven't heard against this?

You know why? Because their mind has been affected by the world. The world says, you can't live without this, you can't live without that, you can't live without the other thing. And they go for those things and they suffer.

And they say, oh brother, please pray for me. What shall I pray for you? That you should get tomatoes when you sort potatoes? Humble yourself and say, Lord, I deserve to reap what I have sown. But, please forgive me and help me to do it right in the days to come.

But if you are unwilling to take the blame, I don't believe you'll ever finish with reaping. It is a wonderful promise. I want to come back to Romans 12 in the book of Amos. In the book of Amos. Where Amos is?

Psalms, Proverbs, Amos. Got it? Hosea, Joel, Amos. Okay. Amos, it says here about a time when the plowman will overtake the reaper. Where is that verse? It's a very lovely verse. I'm just looking for that.

Yeah, it's towards the end, that's right. 9 .13. Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord. When the plowman will overtake the reaper. Do you understand the meaning of that for your life? That means you will stop reaping what you have sown.

And the plowman, the man who's coming, plowing the new seed, he'll overtake the reaper. Your reaping is finished. Hallelujah. Praise the Lord. And the mountains will drip sweet wine. You claim it. And say, Lord, I'm looking for the day when the plowman will overtake the reaper.

There will be no more reaping. It's over. Those of you who haven't yet gone down that bad road of sowing all types of things in yourself and your family, please take this to heart. Don't be conformed to the world.

What do worldly people think about? Don't think like them. If someone were to open up your mind, and someone were to open up the mind of a thoroughly worldly person, would you find both of you thinking about the same things?

The same values? The same way you want to take revenge on others? The same way you get anxious and worried when somebody threatens you or your boss tries to do some harm to you, and you react in your mind exactly like the atheist reacts in his mind.

I'll tell you honestly, what I've seen in the lives of many people, Christians, is that even though they believe in God in the church meetings, in a difficult situation in life, their reaction is exactly like that of an atheist.

It's as though God is not there, I have to do everything on my own. Is that what you sing and talk about in the church? Be gone, unbelief, my savior is near, and for my relief will surely appear. His love in time past bids me to think that he will leave me at last in trouble to sink.

Each sweet Ebenezer that I have in review confirms his good pleasure to carry me through. He will not take me half way through the river and dump me there and say, I've had enough of you. I have a father who's not going to dump me.

Faith in God’s Providence and Christ’s Choice

Because supposing, you know, I've asked this question to people. Supposing you knew, suppose some of you who are married fifteen, twenty years, or even ten years, or even five years, or even one. If you knew every stupid thing that your wife would do before you got married, would you still choose the same wife?

Don't raise your hands and don't give the answer. You don't want any fights at home today. But ask yourself, I think there are many people in the world who would say, oh boy, if I knew all that she is going to do, I would have thought twice and married somebody who may turn out to be worse than her.

But the point is this, I'm really using it as an illustration. Jesus, when he married me, he knew every stupid thing I would do for all of my life. Everything! Even the things I'm going to do tomorrow, next week, next year.

I hope I won't do too many foolish things. And I'm not perfect yet. I may say something foolish or stupid. But he knows it! And knowing it all, he says, I want you. That's why I'm sure he's not going to throw me away.

Because if I say to him, Lord, did that surprise you? That stupid thing I said or did? Oh, not at all. I knew that long ago. I still love you. I'm going to change you. Isn't that a comfort? Yeah, it is to me.

So, the Lord wants to change our mind and lift us up higher and see how God looks at me. He looks at me as one who, he knew everything about me and he still chose me. Don't ask me why. It's like going and asking an ugly, illiterate, stupid, lame girl, why did this handsome king marry you?

I don't know. Was he blind? No, he wasn't blind. He knew everything, but he still chose me. It's something like that. The wonder of it. Sometimes we lose the wonder. I never want to lose the wonder of the fact that the Lord chose me.

The Lord says, come up here, come up higher and see from here. Don't be conformed to this world and its way of thinking. We have a Father who cares for us, who loves us, who knew everything about us. He knows everything that's going to happen in the future.

He's made provision for it. Come up here and see things from here. It makes a world of difference when you come up higher and look at things from God's viewpoint. You know, I believe this is a matter in which we have to allow the Holy Spirit to change our way of thinking.

This come up higher is essentially in the mind. One day, my body will also go up to be with Jesus. It will physically go up higher, but that day has not yet come. But till that day comes, my mind can go.

I can have a rapture in my mind where I'm taken up like John was. He was physically on earth. Like they say, even if your head is in the heaven, but your feet must be on the earth so that everything we get affects our life on the earth.

Don't think like the world thinks, but let your mind be renewed and then you can understand the perfect will of God. And that is how you'll be transformed, it says. Transformation cannot into the likeness of Christ cannot take place if we don't allow the Holy Spirit to lift our mind higher.

It's a choice that we make. It's a choice that you have to make every day. When I face a situation, I say, okay, looks pretty bad. Let me see how God looks at it. Oh, immediately your view of that difficult situation changes.

Anything. That guy, I can't trust him. He's scheming to harm me. I don't have a plan against me next. He's pretty powerful and I'm pretty weak. That's from the human level. Okay, let's look at it from God's viewpoint.

That evil guy is like a speck of dust. You think God can't handle him? You think God can't deal with him? You think God doesn't know the plans he's making in his mind against you? Or whatever he's planning to do?

You don't need to have any fear. Everything changes when you have your mind lifted up to view things from heaven's standpoint. I believe as we approach the end of time, if there is one thing that we need more than anything else, it is to have our mind lifted up to view everything and everyone from heaven's standpoint.

The way God looks at it. The devil, recently the Lord told me, in my heart, as there was a time when you were afraid of the devil, from now on the devil is going to be afraid of you. It is fantastic the devil afraid of me.

Have you met believers like that? Who are sure the devil is scared of them? And the reason is, not because I'm much smarter or know the Bible more than you, but I'll tell you what, I believe some things in the Bible which you don't believe.

That's the reason. It's faith that makes the difference. Not maturity or many years of walking with God. No. It's faith. And I'll tell you what I have faith for. 1 John chapter 4. It says, there is no fear in love.

Verse 18. 1 John 4 .18. There is no fear in love. What does that mean? You see that little children, little babies, who will only go to their mothers, fathers, they will not, they'll scream if you put them in the hands of a stranger.

They have found, they know that in the hands of their mother and father, there's perfect love. They have no fear. Even little children know that. Now we need to find ourselves in that. You know that verse?

In John 14 .1 where Jesus says, you believe in God, don't fear. Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God, believe also in me. I never forget seeing a picture in the living Bible. Children's Bible.

Of Jesus holding a little child and saying, don't be afraid. I love you. That's a picture I saw years ago. And I always want to be like that little child leaning on Jesus shoulders and saying to me, don't be afraid.

Just trust me. You may need that word in some situation that you face in the days to come. Don't be afraid. Just trust me. Be like that little child leaning on Jesus. See that's how, why heaven is so free from fear.

There is no fear in love. Because that perfect love of God casts out fear. But fear is, fear involves punishment means I'm always afraid that God will punish me for something wrong I did. I absolutely or there are a number of people sitting here who have that type of fear.

I've done something wrong so God will punish me. There are people who say, oh maybe I've committed the unpardonable sin and maybe God will send me to hell. Fear always is linked with punishment. You don't trust God.

He's not dependable. He's not at all trustworthy. You are of course so trustworthy, but not God. No wonder your life is so miserable, unhappy, grumpy. You make life miserable for people around you in your home.

You know how much sweeter your home can be, a taste of heaven on earth. If you rejoice in the perfect love of God, Him holding you like a little baby saying, don't be afraid, just trust me. Perfect love casts out fear.

Fear of anything, fear of the future, fear of the devil, fear of your boss, fear of circumstances, fear of sickness, fear of cancer, fear of road accidents, fear of anything. It says in the previous verse, because as Jesus is, so also are we in this world.

That's how I know the devil's afraid of me, because I believe.

That. If I.

Were to ask you, was the devil afraid of Jesus? Every one of you will say, of course he was. Why isn't he afraid of you? Do you believe this.

Verse? As Jesus is, so also am I.

Not in heaven. If that last phrase, in this world, were not there, I would think, yeah, maybe one day in the future. No, right now in this world. I believe that. And the Bible says, according to your faith, be it unto you.

It's not according to your desire. It's not according to your prayers. It's not according to the number of meetings you attended. It's not according to how much you understand in your head. It's according to your faith.