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Oh greetings and welcome to the dividing line. We are completely discombobulated here. The screens aren't aren't on You know, it's it's hard to find good help these days

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It really is but I was sitting here the whole time now now we're just gonna try to sneak in here without being seen by The camera it's it's right.

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It's right there. Yeah, there you go and turn them turn the thing on there We don't have time for this because I'm trying to cover a bunch of stuff.

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It is Reformation week, I guess you might say Reformation Sunday coming up.

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I Don't remember honestly Any time when

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I have seen more Triumphalistic Roman Catholic Eastern Orthodox Stuff about Reformation I mentioned and Elon Musk said they did do something the the algorithms on X have changed completely

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And my feet is just filled with stuff and honestly, it's probably good Doing what

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I do It's it's probably best to see all this stuff though. You know every single day.

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It's a little tiring I mean to say to see the same errors made over and over the same

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Really super simplistic stuff and it's it goes every direction everybody Everybody does it unfortunately, by the way probably

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Maybe by Thursday or at least next week. We will have a

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Announcement of a major major major debate for 2026

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Really important Honestly, it's gonna take up most of my time over the next year

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Probably a book in there as well. Finally, it's been way too long I'm gonna have to really some of you remember back in the olden days and I would write books the dividing line spectrum of topics would narrow down of necessity

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So, we'll see we we will see Yeah, yeah rich says

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I might have to use my office I've been doing most everything from home and what the simple reason for that so much of everything that's available now is electronic

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You know, I don't need that library the way that I once did and I'm trying to get most of Most of the resources that I'm gonna be using for this project

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Electronically as much as possible though. I I did ask Grok last night for some stuff and Man, what he originally came up with if it was actually available would have been perfecto

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Exactly what I was looking for. I've gone back and forth with Grok six times now Every link he gives me 404s

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Every single one and I keep going but the links you sent me don't work. I'm so sorry Okay, I just verified this

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I click on it or opposed. I'm boy. I'll tell you up it's like He's sure you want to put

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AI in charge of like surgeries Oh Man I was reading the wrong web page for this one.

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Sorry. Yeah, so wait a second You're telling me that the AI is making excuses for itself.

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Yes. Yeah, I'm sorry. I know Grok Literally was saying well on this particular subject in this particular area a lot of these websites they change their links over time and and But I I got it this time

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Click on it right back. Nope that 404. Oh, man, you know

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It's just like Wow, okay. Yeah AI has not quite gotten there yet Really really hasn't so anyway, um

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So, uh We'll let you well we'll obviously let you know about that and I'll have to have our graphics folks be putting something together

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ASAP But it'll uh Well, okay.

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Let's put this way for a large portion of people they're gonna go oh

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Really? That's exciting and they're gonna I thought you're gonna say you're gonna debate, you know

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Joe Rogan or something. I don't know some something really flashy. It's not flashy and But I think

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Especially as I'm getting into the my mid -60s, I Think it may be one of the more important subjects.

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We've addressed in light of you know, we're called to minister at this time The issues that are coming up at this time.

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All right, so it's Reformation Week and You know every year

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I remind folks that Martin Luther did not Stand at the door of the castle church in Wittenberg and nail 95 theses up to the door

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You know during a church service he wasn't protesting anything I've told you before that That was where everybody posted notices

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They may not have even used nails. It may have been, you know, some other means of attaching it there

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And in all probability When he did it a farmer probably walked by with his cow said good morning father

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Martin. He said hello brother and Walked off and that was it.

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Sorry Him standing there with a hammer and pointing. It's just all mythology.

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It never happened That was the community bulletin board

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He was a new professor at the University of Wittenberg, which was a small university they're trying to compete against the big universities and There were no there was no

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NCAA There were no basketball games soccer games anything else when universities competing as one another they did so in debate and And so the 95 theses were theses for debate that Luther was saying

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I would be willing to debate these assertions and He was not saying anything that other people hadn't already said

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He was saying this as a son of the church and Was he walking a dangerous line, yeah sure

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There was rising national feeling in Germany There was resentment of the fact that German gold

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Was being collected for indulgences and just shipped straight to Rome to build st.

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Peter's Basilica Some of that gold still up there in the ceiling and a couple of with the

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Matthew and promise of Matthew 16 and gold up there in in the ceiling and so But he this was not

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Some radically new idea. There are people who who found indulgences to be horrific

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Most people recognize they certainly weren't apostolic by any stretch the imagination. I mean You you have to completely redefine the term apostolic to say that the

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Apostles taught indulgences and I don't even know this is one of the differences between Eastern Orthodox and Roman Catholic with the sainthood and Establishment as a doctor of the

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Church of John Henry Cardinal Newman Rome now has really an official

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Commitment to Newman's development hypothesis Which as George Salmon demonstrated 150 years ago

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Is a complete abandonment of the historical field of battle It's an admission. Yeah.

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No, the Apostles didn't teach these things. They had acorns and that acorn has grown and developed and and You know you've got a stream comes from here and a stream comes from there and they come together and that changes this and it changes that And yeah, the

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Apostles wouldn't recognize half of what we're saying But they'd accept it because they had our view of authority.

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No they did but that's what they've had to do Eastern Orthodox, you really can't do that by definition

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So Though I think some of their scholars really want to go that direction That that's that's a problem

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So what you're what you're dealing with the Reformation is, you know Luther post these theses this results in the

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Leipzig disputation Johan Eck forces

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Luther's back against the wall during the debate Luther goes to the the library

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He had been Accused of being a follower of Jan Hus. He didn't know what Jan Hus believed Other than Jan Hus had been burned at the

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Council of Florence, so He reads some of Jan Hus's writings and realizes he's right

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Jan Hus came to the same conclusions that I did long before I did And so the development begins 1518 1519 starts writing writes a lot of strong pamphlets

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They're still available obviously and You know that eventually leads to diet of verms appearing before Charles here.

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I stand I can do no other and all the other things go along there and So there there's a lot of mythology

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Amongst non Roman Catholics non Eastern Orthodox about Luther and you know

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Luther had a fully developed Protestant theology in on October 31st 1517 no he didn't

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But he had been deeply influenced by that point in time Thanks to Erasmus's Greek New Testament first came out in 1516

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It's a diaglot Latin and Greek but in comparing The Latin to the the

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Greek he had come to understand the difference between repentance and doing penance, they're not the same thing and In teaching through the

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Psalms and then Romans Galatians He began to understand what our true standing before God was now

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Did he have even the position he would have later on in life or certainly Where Lutheranism would end up say a hundred years later?

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No, I mean you've got a thousand You've got fourteen hundred years of tradition to be

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Digging through and That's one of the reasons that I again just like with the early church fathers

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I you don't need to make the Reformers something other than they were They weren't they didn't all believe the exact same thing.

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That's why you had the Heidelberg meeting That's why you have

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Luther and Zwingli arguing And Luther Pointing to what he wrote on the table

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This is my body. This is is is as thin. This is my body and Zwingli trying to reason with him and Most of the people there

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Agreed that Zwingli had the compelling argument not Luther. They found Luther to be a

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Bullheaded and not overly compelling in his argumentation but Again, we don't have to create some kind of mythology

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Though I've seen people online trying to defend a mythology about the

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Reformers. No reason to do that So sadly most

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Reformed evangelicals if you want to use that term, I think I'd be somewhat descriptive of most of our audience Supportive audience.

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I know we have an audience of people who listen just to know what to expect from us next but Reformed evangelicals if they are self committedly reformed

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Know a lot about this stuff But most evangelicals do not church history is not something they're overly interested in and That there are real problems there

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Westhoff Posted a it was a two -sentence tweet It was a two -sentence tweet basically saying the

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Reformation was not starting new religion. It was retrieving original Christianity, it's just two sentences

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I They're over a thousand responses and so it wasn't it wasn't even slightly controversial as far as you come up with something no one's ever said before no, it's straightforward, but I think because a

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Lot of people recognized. Hey, you know goes on Rogan and and he's Saying all this good stuff and look let's just be honest.

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I you guys Roman Catholics and Eastern Orthodox You know when we were doing debates on Long Island There was a little group of Roman Catholic ladies that followed me around and attended all my debates because they loved them the

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Catholics weren't doing what I was doing the Catholics weren't debating the one to spend a castle so the Muslims are defending the deity of Christ or the

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Trinity and stuff like that And so They're on my side for that stuff and And while there are a couple of Roman Catholic apologists that You know try to address some of this stuff

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This just isn't their thing they're sort of handicapped by the belief system and the hierarchy that they have to defend and so I just think that You know

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Wes blew on the scene with that Rogan thing and so a bunch of people were following and listening and Then when he says something reformed

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They just go nuts and so I've got far more stuff here Than I can possibly get to And I normally you know provide lots of quotes and stuff like that I'm gonna try to get through as much of this as I can

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I Want to respond to a bunch of this material? that I've got screenshots, and I've got bookmarked stuffs and Because if this stuff's hitting me and my feed it's probably hitting you and yours

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I can't be the only one respond to this stuff time The engine lights on my truck.

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I've got to take it in Thursday, and and hope it keeps running till then I got things to do in life, and so I need everybody else to be on deck and So let's talk about some of this stuff because one thing that's very very clear

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Those who oppose the Reformation Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox Repeat far more mythology

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Than we repeat when we're promoting it Because we don't repeat a whole lot of it. We know maybe the pounding on Wittenberg's door or something

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But the the amount of just Horrifically bad information this just repeated over and over and over again

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You can just tell these people they've just heard it a dozen times before and they just believe it do they do they?

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Check it out. No no and Almost always not not all not every single time, but almost always when

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I push back when I provide quotes. I've quoted You know okay, this

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Bishop Jackson guy at Bishop Jackson j -a -x -i This guy

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Posts all sorts of really bad stuff and When I push back and provide quotations, so I I've forgotten how many times recently

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I've quoted from Cardinal Cayetan and his comments about the apocryphal books and How they're not to be considered canonical, and this is contemporaneous with Luther This was an accepted

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Understanding there were there were two lines that went down through church history Augustine and Jerome represented them in the early church

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Augustine was ignorant because he thought That the Hebrew canon included the apocryphal books, but they didn't he didn't read

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Hebrew so he didn't know Jerome knew did read he was we knew and so you have these two different perspectives and basically the more someone knew about the

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Jews and about the Old Testament and Hadn't bought into origins allegorical stuff

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Like well almost everybody did but at least they had some knowledge of the historical reality of what the

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Tanakh was Torah and the Nevi 'im and the Ketuvim What the Old Testament canon was for the Jews The more they knew about that stuff

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The more likely they are to reject the apocryphal books the less they knew the more likely they were to accept it Because those books were in the

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Christian Manuscripts of the Greek Septuagint, which was the Bible of the early church So there had been these two perspectives and it's not until April of 1546 in response to Luther's rejection of the use of Maccabees to defend purgatory, which is a super shallow horrific use of Maccabees anyways,

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I Mean just the very fact you'd have to try to use it. It's like wow, that's really bad Um The council

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Trent responds by now Closing down the two viewpoints and now it's just it's just one

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Even though at that point they still call him deuterocanonical only secondarily canonical Well, are you

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Theanistos or you deuterotheanistos? What is that wasn't even mean well, it's good for reading ratification, but not for the establishment of dogma that's normally how it's used but Who came up with that you call that apostolic?

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It's not apostolic and you know, don't have that there so anyways, here's this Bishop Jackson guy and He says and I have this up Um, it never ceases to amaze me that the man who invented the doctrine of Scripture alone.

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Okay lie number one That's not the case We can you know athanasius scripture is efficient for the

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Sabbath preaching of the truth We've got all sorts of quotes we can we can give from people who may have been more or less consistent with their statement in their own practice

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I Mean there are people who would say Scripture is the only revelation we have from God Who would then because of their practice except traditions are not found anywhere in Scripture or they'd read them into Scripture.

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That's happened a lot but the Modern Roman Catholic doctrine of tradition is just that it's modern

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Have you read each Kongar? That no most these folks have not they even know what it is.

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They have no idea That's why so many of these guys do not recognize how important it is that Leo the 14th has really followed in the footsteps

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Leo the 13th and Established Newman as a doctor of the church.

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I mean that is that's the biggest stamp of approval papal imprimatur

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Neil Abstadt on Newman's Development hypothesis, which made

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Vatican to possible The trads In Roman Catholicism have to be pulling their hair out.

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They have to know what this is I mean, they are more likely to be aware of these things and I think a lot of the other

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Roman Catholics Uh, but no, he did not invent the doctrine of Scripture alone Also gave himself the authority to decide which books were not inspired.

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No, he didn't Well, he said James to the right straw epistle. Yeah, but he also translated

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James It's in Luther's Bible and he quoted from it as well. There's a years ago, I Can't remember where I put the paper actually, you know what

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I bet I could find it. Okay, I think I know that's weird I think I know which drawer it's in. Um It's a master's thesis from a guy at a

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Lutheran seminary that went through and Dealt with Luther's use of James later in his life after calling it a right stripe

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But he's probably also talking about the apocryphal books here. And again ignores history ignores

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Jerome ignores Melito ignores origin and Rufinus and and Pope Gregory the

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Great for crying out loud They don't know and they don't care they're just repeating Catholic answers talking points

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Remove them for the Bible never claimed he had the ability to do so it did not do so and Then had the audacity to add words like alone to it

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Well again, I've lost track of how many times over the past couple of weeks. I have quoted the pre -luther

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Roman Catholic translations in Italian and other languages That said sola fide at Romans 3 where they accuse him of quote -unquote adding it

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What do you do with that? Well, they don't do anything they just speak they go silent You're that or they just become abusive or you know, say you're just a professional anti -catholic

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Stuff like that, but they won't respond to it Um So all scripture has been functioning the same way ever since causing endless division.

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Oh, yeah Happy Reformation Month, and then there's the screen for us on the Bible proceeds to remove book from Bible. It's just it's fiction

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It's just fiction. It's it doesn't Why do you think that this is its right to promote fiction in support of your religious beliefs?

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Doesn't that tell you something about your religious beliefs? I Would think that it would all right pulling that one down and I should close them.

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So I have enough of them Have enough space. Like I said, I've got and you can tell

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I'm talking fast and it's already 24 minutes in Todd Ertzin reposted this one and we don't expect

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Todd Ertzin The producer for Steve Dease to engage in any response, you know

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He can post every once make whatever claims he wants, but he evidently does not feel any need whatsoever to back up what he says so That we'll just let that speak for itself

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He responded to Westhoff and there's Westhoff's tweet by the way two sentences

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Reformation is not an attempt at new Christianity. Reformation is retrieval of true Christianity. It's all was and of course any

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Semi unbiased scholar on any side of the divide will tell you that is the claim that Luther and Zwingli and then

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Calvin is a second -generation reformer. I Mean he's he's converted

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What 13 years 14 years after? The Reformation begins so boy

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We still have the same postman He just walks really slowly now. I mean man, give that guy a raise or or Retirement or something, but we've he's 20 years.

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I think 20 years down here Walk in the same route man. He must know this neighborhood like the back of his hand

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Anyway, sorry about that. I just happen to look over we I have a screen here showing My truck and Rich's truck, which we have to keep an eye on in Phoenix And I just saw him walking by White hair hunched over a little bit doesn't that's that's a lot of males of 20 years worth of carrying mail, but Give that give that guy a

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Twinkie. All right So Todd Ayrton The guy who makes any claims he wants but he won't back anything up He repost project mystic who says this doesn't make any sense

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Westhoff statement Here's what none of these people will answer three basic questions about being intellectually dishonest

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Is that a fair way of saying anything? If you post your questions and say and the only answers you can give will be intellectually dishonest should someone really invest themselves

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Because we know what you're gonna say if we respond to it but I might also explain why you don't seem to understand what the answers to your questions actually are and Have been and have been published

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For hundreds of years, but you don't recognize it who is doing solo scriptura correctly

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Those who recognize the scripture is the honest

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Oz and seek to subjugate their traditions and even their desires to scripture

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Now you're gonna go well that means they should all agree. No, it doesn't mean that we live in a fallen world But I will tell you this

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You take someone who is seeking to do souls return and very few quote -unquote Protestants Believe in soul scripture or practice.

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That's one of the things you all just don't seem to understand Take the ones who seriously do so Their theology will be light years more unified

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Then when you compare apples with apples or oranges with oranges We will have more unity than you have within Roman Catholicism because your church will not excommunicate people almost ever

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I Mean you can have some poor Bishop in the

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United States trying to stand for what Rome used to teach and Francis is over there in Rome giving the

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Eucharist to Nancy Pelosi Okay You look at what's taught in the most conservative?

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Catholic countries and you go to Boston College The spectrum is massive.

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And if you don't know that you're just ignorant. You just don't know what you're talking about You're ignoring the reality

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If you really want to compare apples and apples what you do is you would compare the groups that believe that the

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Bible is The only inspired Word of God and seek to practice solo scriptura saying the scripture is the sole infallible rule of faith of the church with all groups that accept the

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Bible plus an external infallible source Which would put

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Rome together with Eastern Orthodoxy Mormonism Jehovah's Witnesses Christian science and everybody else that claims to have inspired external sources

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Those groups can't even figure out if there's one God or many So there's your massively wide spectrum, but all you know, no, no, no, we never do it yeah, you never you don't want to do it fairly and Even you go.

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Nope. I'm only gonna accept my particular group. Well, okay, but your particular group has wide expressions of belief and why do that is it because Your sources aren't clear enough so Number two, which is the true church that is united and governed governance worship and dogma again notice the the assumption is that United and governance worship and dogma well those of us who believe in solo scriptura as A group believe that Jesus Christ is the head of the church

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We will have differences my Presbyterian brothers about whether you have Plurality of elders or whether you those elders can get together in an external body a presbytery

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That's not the same as a College of Cardinals that's not the same thing as Cardinals archbishops and the plethora of unbiblical non -apostolic offices that exist in Roman Catholicism Which is just as complicated and convoluted as the

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United States government Okay, it's not that but worship

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I've seen all these all these people comparing this mass with some nutball

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SPC or charismatic Thing where they've got people dancing around and somebody's getting lifted off the stage like they're going to heaven and all this idiocy

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That represents Protestantism again. I can't take anyone seriously

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That think that's thinks that's a fair comparison. I really really can't Those people don't believe in soul scripture yet.

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They probably never even heard of it Let alone are they seeking to practice it, but you're gonna use them as an example that tells me you're not a serious person to talk to I Mean I'm gonna try to correct you

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But you're not a serious person to talk to because you've not thought this through And dogma again

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When you look at the groups of practice solos which are all Trinitarian The groups of practice scripture plus infallible authority are not even necessarily monotheists but again, you all will try to hang the

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Mormons on us and it's like you attack us for practicing solo scriptura and then you add in the people that have the

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Book of Mormon doctrine comes for a price and specifically deny solo scriptural Um Okay, all right and Number three, why did

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God let his apostolic church fall? Well again notice the term apostolic church in caps one of the major differences between a person who lives and thinks within the

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Roman Catholic milieu and Someone who lives and thinks within the Eastern Orthodox milieu is that apostolic church takes on a meaning that you and I outside of that milieu

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Can't imagine or can't understand where it came from Because you see apostolic church to me is one

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That is founded upon the teachings of the

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Apostles themselves, which we only find in one place and That's really the big issue because in In These liturgical churches with external sources of authority

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It actually comes to mean the opposite in the sense that there is an apostolic authority

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Disconnected from Scripture that is passed on externally in a mysterious

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Undocumentable you can basically

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When you look at church history if you find something in church history a practice a statement a mural someplace if it supports your position that's evidence of the passing on of the apostolic body of belief and doctrine and dogma if It doesn't it isn't but those

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Your your theology as it's been defined today becomes what you look at everything else with and it filters out all the stuff contrary and only lets through the stuff that's going to fit and So the apostolic church doesn't have an objective historical meaning to it it may have nothing to do with the

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Apostles at all and And that's why Roman Catholics and this is a difference for these in Orthodox Roman Catholics Well on the one hand quote 2nd

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Thessalonians 2 15 Word of mouth or by letter word of mouth. That's the oral that's that's we and then when you press them

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Oh, you're telling me that your dogmas were delivered by the Apostles to the Thessalonians. They know that's not true

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John Henry Cardinal Newman knew that was not true. That's why I came up with this development hypothesis and so They really shouldn't be quoting 2nd

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Thessalonians chapter 2 because that's not what they're actually saying But they'll quote as long as I can get away with it.

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Then you press them on it. They'll abandon it back off and do the development thing and There's no way of disproving it because they don't need historical evidence

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What's your historical evidence this happened well, they either go well, that's that's just an argument from silence, right?

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You know, so so if I say the Apostle John was a Dodgers fan Okay, they did

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I hear I I think the reason I said that was I had just seen before he went on the air 18 innings last night

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Wow Okay 19 pitchers They had the

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Bat Boy out there throwing They are they're pretty tired day

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I have a feeling But if I claim Apostolic tradition

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That John the Apostle was a huge Dodgers fan If I did it the way modern

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Roman Catholic apologists do is I'd say if someone said what evidence you have that I don't need To have evidence you're arguing from that's an argument from silence.

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That's a bad argument It's like no, it's not a bad argument You're making a positive claim you have to come up with positive evidence, no,

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I don't it's the Apostolic Church is So you just spin in circles and that's how it goes.

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Um, so God did not let his Apostolic Church fall. I Don't even know what he means by fall

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The church has always existed. It has been in states of disrepair and Persecution and often it's been state religion that has persecuted the church

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Just as it did the first 300 years that Continued on even once the state allegedly became

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Christian still did the same thing So it didn't fall. Okay So only gotten through two of these so far.

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Oh, it's Probably indicative that I'm not gonna make it all the way through Um Okay, this one's in my bookmarks so I can't pull it up right now, sorry about that so many of these repeats a lot of the same things though, so we'll get to it, but Kevin Fernandez In responding to Wes again said if the

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Reformation was retrieval It was certainly not a retrieval of st. Augustine's theology as he affirmed and then you have this list of Of Assertions and You know,

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I don't know if you know Chris might want to Take a shot at this one down the down the road or something like that.

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I don't know but Here's all these things Tradition is a rule of faith and infallible whose tradition

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Where it is what no citations are given I can give you two dozen citations of Augustine treating scripture differently than any tradition at all so What's what's this about?

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What is there a particular topic? We're not told. Oh Then I loved the honesty with this one.

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There is divine revelation that comes to us only through tradition Wow So much for formal and material sufficiency which

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Roman Catholics are constantly saying Oh, we can we can affirm material sufficiency. Just not formal sufficiency. This is denial of all this is denial

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This is an assertion. There is divine revelation that comes to us only through tradition

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So, there you go that that that really is Rome's modern position it has to be she couldn't believe in The bodily assumption

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Mary if that was not something that That was functionally, but I don't think this is officially but it is functionally

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Purgatory is they feed a purgatory had not even finished developing Augustine has some elements of a post -life pregation but not purgatory as a whole.

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That's just ridiculous The mass is a perpetuatory sacrifice is day feed a well again

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Augustine says that Christ's body is in heaven and will remain there until the second coming

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So again, you're gonna confuse real presence Transplantation all the rest this kind of stuff. Whatever.

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I love this one. The Bishop of Rome has divinely instituted authority over the whole church

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Again at least twice so far I've posted the link. No one's responded to it.

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One said word about it to the Catholic Catholic myths and how they get started

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I think is the name of the of the article That I wrote years and years ago on sermon 132 is article

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Rome has spoken the case is closed You actually examine that you discovered that in That situation the

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North African bishops told the Bishop of Rome to stick his head in the sand and forced him to change his position

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So Bishop Rome has divinely instituted authority of the whole church except they didn't accept that I were just in rebellion against their own beliefs and baloney

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So just When you see lists of stuff, you you know, especially if you're talking about Augusta When in his life are you talking about You talking about ways dealing with the

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Donatus you're talking about when he's dealing with ages There are differences between the two. Yes, sir So you sermon 131 is what you're referencing and it's a it's actually on the website.

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So yeah, it is pops up real easy You just put sermon 131 or I think the title The title was

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Catholic myths and how they get started or something like that Catholic legends and how they get started an example sermon 131

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Catholic legends. Okay, I wrote that thing in the 90s somewhere. So Well, that says that but this was in the 90s

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The dates the dates the dates on that old stuff are not accurate then we're kind of going, you know

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I think he did it, right? That decade. Yeah.

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No, it was it was before then because I Think Patrick Madrid responded to it at some point too.

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So yeah, I know I'll tell you what

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Here's this project mystic guy again What's really interesting I'm gonna keep going with more of these don't worry

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I'm gonna there's a lot more things from Catholics to deal with here. But you know what one of the weird things is

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All of a sudden don't know what happened the algorithm But all of a sudden I've got all sorts of Mormons Interacting, you know, they've got pictures of Joseph Smith.

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Oh you need a reformation. Well, here we go. Here's a restitution blah blah blah blah blah and They're if it's possible they're even more ignorant of the

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Reformation Catholics are which is certainly understandable if you believe Book of Mormon, but anyway

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Um this project mystic guy He I'm assuming it's a he posted this

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Let me see if I can move move stuff around screen because this there is a video here and I don't know

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If it has audio, but I just put the audio on anyway, so it should work Let me see if I can

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Okay, yeah, so here it is and so here's this okay

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Ultra creepy processional. I think we may have shown this before Protestia post this but Now you got your smells and bells and chants and monks and acolytes and And So, okay so they post that and Then they make the comment

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It's a Mormon Who makes the comment and we're the ones in the cult?

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Because this one said Catholicism is the coolest and then the Mormons said remember we're the cult

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Okay, well we'll have to we'll have to give that one to the Mormons Sort of sort of hit that one

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Fairly fairly well, but I will forget this and I want

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I said I was going to dress it I will forget it unless I I do this Slight detour then we'll come back and get as many more of these as we as we can

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Um Like I said seeing a lot more stuff from Mormons Recently and so here's a

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Mormon gal and I was just so struck by the irony

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But I realized you know, a lot of folks would not know the background of this. So maybe it's be useful to somebody so here is

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I'll I'll Get it full screen here as quick as I can But the this is

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Jasmine Wrap something It doesn't say the Church Jesus Christ Latter -day

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Saints is vastly superior to the field of biblical studies in this one way And it still kind of blows my mind.

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Okay, so here it's the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day Saints is Vastly superior to the entire field of biblical studies in this one way and it still kind of blows my mind

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I don't know about other historical niches, but at least in biblical studies to my knowledge there is no Single online database fully digitized fully transcribed

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That is free where I can find all the primary source documents and earliest manuscripts of biblical texts

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It just doesn't exist But do you know where it does exist the history of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter -day

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Saints? The Joseph Smith papers is a single database. We're completely digitized fully transcribed document sources historical

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Introductions and it is completely free I don't need access to a university or pay exorbitant subscription prices to access it where I can find every single document related to the life of Joseph Smith and so for those willing to put in the effort to actually read the

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Documentary history of the early church is some of the most transparent you are ever going to see you are sleeping on this invaluable resource

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Joseph Smith papers org If you're talking about the church online and not engaging with the primary source Documents and if you love learning more about the church follow this account

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Okay First of all, she is exactly right The guys in our chat channel will tell you that late last week

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I made a comment in the chat channel I said Joseph Smith papers org is a gold mine and We then had a discussion about it

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How to make sure it remains a gold mine. Um But yeah, I said that but here's did you want to make a comment or just I'm curious right up front

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Do uh, do the land tax records exist there? I mean she says everything is there

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Right. That's a good question. I I haven't looked I If I remember

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I will look So, we'll see I I don't know that that would necessarily be included

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But his 1832 diary accounts there. So that is there. This is what and she's young She may not know this

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But what you've got to understand first of all comparing a

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Short period of time What 18 let's say 1820 to If it's

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Joseph Smith papers middle of 1840 25 years In a modern period

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Where so much this documentation still exists? Comparing that to biblical studies where you're talking about thousands of years on The other side of the world with documents that are destroyed by war famine disease fire flood bugs everything

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There is no comparison You you do not you cannot make that comparison in in any logical or rational way

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Okay, that's first part So you got a tiny amount of information in comparison to a massive amount of information

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Relatively recently in comparison to antiquity and you're comparing the two of them But here's the problem the church had all this stuff all along and denied having so I Had to go the church historical department in Nineteen Eighty -four ish somewhere around 84 85

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Mike Balboa, and I I think that was a trip where we drove up in my 1964 Dodge Dart and Mike had to stop at page to put extra socks on because the air was coming through the the rusted -out floorboard and freezing his feet

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While he's driving No, I'm absolutely serious about that. He will confirm that story Um We went to the church historical department and we're young guys we were a little nervous we really were

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I mean, we're in Utah Would anybody ever even miss us? but we got the photocopy of The 1832 diary the church had not published

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The only place that was published was by Gerald and Sandra Tanner and the vast majority of this stuff that Touches on the truth claims of the

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Mormon Church The tanners put it out before the church The only reason the church eventually put up the church when the tanners talked about the seer stone

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The church denied its existence. They had it It was locked in a box and they knew they had it they lied

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They've now published pictures of it. They had it the whole time So, please don't talk to me about transparency when the church historians office sat on this stuff denied this stuff for decades and decades and decades and Then once so much of it had already snuck out from other people

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Then it's like, you know what we're gonna be transparent to put all that. Yeah They've done a great job doing it, but they were forced to do it

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Okay, so there is no comparison with biblical studies. There's no comparison with manuscripts and all the rest that kind of stuff

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Those manuscripts are spread across Hundreds of museums all around the world.

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How do you get them all to work together Mormon stuff? Isn't it's all in Salt Lake City or Provo They've owned all of it all along.

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So yeah, I'd be easy to do that. Yes, sir so the next question I would have would be so have they documented the

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Changes over time in the Book of Mormon. Yes, 3 ,900 words added deleted or changed over that short period of time

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Yes. Yes, actually there are there are now entire Printings of the

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Book of Mormon not done by the church. I think I was at Yale or Harvard Somebody was talking about there.

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I need to track this down There is actually one that that has That marks all not not the way the

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Tanners did it the Tanners, you know circled stuff, you know using a pen and stuff like that Photocopier in the

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Hawaiian Yards. Yeah, that's that's all I could do. God bless him But no, there are yes that that's all out there now

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Not necessarily published by the church. But yeah, it's it's all out there. So anyway

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There you go. That's That's that's that okay.

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Oh goodness, I've still got half a dozen of these things in here Okay, here's one

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Again in response to Westhoff it says

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Ct. Dano says West West you're probably one of the most insightful hard -working and just plain brilliant biblical scholars out here today

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But why would you negate Matthew 16 18 like this? I Love your biblical work and how you bring folks to a historical understanding of Christ and early church fathers

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But for you to stand by this theology is kind of baffling. Well, at least it's not filled with You know all the hoo -ha that so much that stuff we've looked at why would you didn't negate

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Matthew 16 18 like this I I think what's useful there is for you to under I think the reason

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I chose this is to Get an insight into the mind of the

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Roman Catholic Who is not looking objectively at the claims of his church?

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But starting with them as the beginning point and it's like well Matthew 16 18 at Peter Foundation it's in the cupola in the

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Vatican, you know There's the Petrine promise and so you just accept all that and so you're negating

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Matthew 16 18 because from their perspective if Rome at the time of Luther Had to be reformed then the church had ceased to exist.

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That wasn't Luther's claim. That wasn't the Reformers claim Reformers did not remember remember when

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Candace Owens, I guess evidently just first started this sadly now long public

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Downgrade into insanity Which is getting worse and worse every passing day But when she first started talking about converting to Roman Catholicism and I responded to her

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I would remember I've recorded that 90 minute thing It was in the Jaco. I remember that one of the first things recorded in the in the in the

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Jaco And One of the things she said was well, you know, my husband's asking me

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Do I really think there weren't any Christians until Martin Luther? And yeah, I really got to throw that I'm like That's not he didn't say that We aren't saying that That is a canard that that no, that's not what we were saying at all

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And it's it but there's so many people that just automatically assume that That if the pornography took place, which it did

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If the papacy was bought and sold if the Babylonian captivity the church took place Which it did if there were three

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Popes anathematizing each other, which they did Well, that means Matthew 16 18 has been invalidated.

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No, what it means is your understanding of Matthew 16 18 has been invalidated and That that's not what it's talking about at all

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In any way shape or form and you may need to rethink what you think Matthew 16 18 is actually talking about But yeah, it's that's that's just not how that how that works.

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Um Okay real quickly again.

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This is just I'll just read this Then why did no early Christian believe in faith alone?

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Well again, you know, I keep doing this I keep quoting Just yesterday.

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I did this Someone I'm not sure if it was one of these Yeah, yeah this guy this guy.

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Hold on This guy I actually responded to him and I as far as I know he did not respond back to me but who knows

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Henry Vaughn something that fraud West's post was easier to sustain when few people had read the

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Apostolic Fathers and And before the major rediscovery is the 19th century of works that have been thought lost such as the

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Didache and the epistles of Clement And I'm like well, you say epistles as Maybe you're as confused as light and flowers as to which

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Clement we're talking about But I quoted I took the time out of my day yesterday was not a good day.

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I Took the time out of my day. I Went over I grabbed Clement's statement about justification

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By faith And I quoted it and I said did you mean this

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Clement crickets Because this is just stuff you throw it out there.

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You just you just They they've seen Their favorite apologists doing this and they've never seen they don't take time to listen to the other side

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And so they don't realize That there's another argument and look people on our side do the same thing.

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I get that People on our side do the same thing. Remember the guy did the Isaiah scroll thing in the debate with Ehrman?

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I'm sitting going. I know it's gonna happen here and Ehrman does the Jeremiah thing and he had never heard of it and and that's why

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I keep warning people you need to be aware of you know Fields a little more in -depth that uses type of nation

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But that's what they're doing and they don't take the time to understand or hear what's being said no side

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So it's TLM Ryan guy. Then why did no early Christian believe in faith alone again? I quote these the quote stuff to these guys and they're just Why did no early

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Christian believe in the Bible alone a physically impossible thing to do is the Bible wasn't compiled until 382 ad well again

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This kind of reasoning it's just These folks don't do history They don't read the early church and there was a convert guy.

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I don't think I have a quote here But there was a guy I responded to a couple days ago who's just converted

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Roman Catholicism and I just basically said your your argument is full of hot air

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He said that the church thrived just fine without the Bible longer than the United States has existed like How can you make a statement like that Cuz these are the same people say

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I don't know I read the early church fathers you did and you didn't notice how many times they were quoting the

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Bible Because for them the Tanakh isn't the Bible if it's not in the

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Gospels, it's not the Bible I guess I don't know I said how the church has always been a

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Faith based upon the book thus saith the Lord and You find that throughout the early church

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Now the earlier document is it may have less and less of the New Testament available to it

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But they but Clement one of our earliest writings Replete with Old Testament citations

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From the Greek Septuagint that was the Bible of the early church. We know this Why don't you know this?

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Well, you must not believe in Sola Scriptura then. No, I don't believe in your twisted Fantasy version of Sola Scriptura.

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I know what Sola Scriptura is. I've defended it many many many times And then of course, why did no early

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Bible contain 66 books but 73 again Takes us back to Deuteronomicals, Gregory, Jerome These guys don't seem to know anything about that and they don't seem to care either and The final conclusion is

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Protestantism is a 16th century novelty. Well Again, you you want to be convinced of that you want to convince yourself of that But you're you're not really helping your case any when your argumentation is really this bad

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So hey, we've got one more day one more Program so I can get some more of these

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I suppose there'll be lots more. I have a feeling the last night when I looked at his

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Post There had been 1 .2

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K, I think 1 ,200 responses to it. Yeah, let me let me look here 1 .3

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K now. Yeah, so 1 ,300 plus responses to that Two -sentence statement something tells me there may be some more that might be worthwhile looking at as we celebrate

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Reformation week Former's weren't perfect They didn't get rid of all the unbiblical tradition.

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They needed to That is why That is why we must continue to hold to Semper Reformanda Don't sit here and tell me

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Karl Barth made that up. It's not true. It's been documented and Semper Reformanda is the only way to consistently respond to the accretion of tradition over time without exalting tradition to the place of ultimate authority over scripture

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Which is what we're dealing with when we deal with these various groups Very important stuff. All right.

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Thanks to listen to program today. I talked really fast today You probably did not want to put this on 1 .5 times to listen to it and probably had to slow it down fairly quickly