End Times and Interpretations: A Deep Dive into Dispensationalism with Andrew Rapaport

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Welcome to another edition of the rap report. I'm your host Andrew rap report The executive director of striving for eternity and the
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Christian podcast community of which this podcast is a proud member Now today's episode is one where I was a guest on someone else's program
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The program is the charismatic cheetah to which many of you in this audience are going. Oh So you were debating the gifts whether charismatic gifts continue or not?
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Well, no No, we didn't though. Hopefully that he'll come on the program and we can have that discussion at some point but what we did discuss was dispensationalism and this podcast is to provide biblical interpretations and applications for the
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Christian life and that is what Dispensationalism actually is it's an interpretation
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Style it is rules of certain of interpretation of the
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Bible. How are we going to approach that? That is what it is. You say well, I don't hold to dispensationalism.
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So should I tune this episode out? Well, actually no You should listen to this
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To know thy enemy. Well, no, okay. You're not an enemy we shouldn't be enemies over this but the point being is many people misrepresent the position that they do not hold to and So it's always good to hear from people that actually hold to the views
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Explaining what they believe so may you do that? May you listen to this to hear what it is dispensationalism?
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Actually is or at least what I believe it is and my view of it and the
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Topic he wanted was to talk about dispensationalism and end times and kind of everything in between So I think it was a good discussion.
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And so I hope that you'll enjoy this discussion on Dispensationalism on the charismatic cheetah coming up on the rap report right now
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One two three Welcome to the rap report with your host andrew rapaport where we provide biblical interpretation and application
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This is a ministry of striving for eternity and the christian podcast community for more content or to request a speaker for your church
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Go to striving foreternity .org What is the dispensational view of eschatology
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What's the biblical support for this view? What are some common misunderstandings of dispensationalism Today i'll be dialoguing with my guest andrew rapaport on dispensationalism and fielding some of your questions from facebook
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This is a kind of an extended part. I've had multiple people on about different views of eschatology all mill post mill
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Still waiting on a pre -meal. Maybe we'll get there soon, but I finally got a dispensationalist on really excited about that You're watching the charismatic cheetah podcast exploring all things supernatural
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Biblically, that's a new uh slogan i'm trying on let me know what you think of it in the comments uh
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My guest today is andrew rapaport Andrew rapaport is the executive director of striving for eternity ministries
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And the christian podcast community which my friend adam parker at bold apologia just joined.
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So that's awesome He is the host of several podcasts andrew rapaport's rap report andrew rapaport's daily rap report
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Apologetics live and so you want to be a podcaster? I probably need to listen to that one myself Okay, andrew is the author of the books.
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What do they believe? Which is a systematic theology of the major western religions And what do we believe which is a systematic theology of the christian faith?
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He has also contributed to other books like on the origins of kinds and sharing the good news with mormons.
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They definitely need it Andrew has established equip conferences formerly spread the fire evangelism training and outreach events
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You can find more of him on striving for eternity .org Andrew Thanks for coming on brother.
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Um Is there anything I missed in your intro there? Well, let me first say thank you for having me on your name
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Your podcast has come up to my attention for several times by several people When I would talk about different different topics and people would say you need to go talk to the charismatic cheetah so i'm glad that uh, you know, you reached out and just saying hey anyone want to talk to sensationalism and I was like Yeah, and when you told me the podcast name
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I was like, oh, yeah Because so i've been looking forward to this So, yeah, no, there's there's a bunch of things you forgot.
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I mean when I was I was first born no Well, no,
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I appreciate you coming on i've been uh, I emailed several Dispensationalists try to get on they were busy or they just ghosted me one of the two.
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I understand why uh, it's just I'm, actually i'm actually really flattered that that uh that you're happy to be on my show
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I think that's that's cool man. My reputation precedes me which might not be a good thing, but yeah,
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I understand the ghosting thing because The running joke I do so I do one of the shows is you mentioned apologetics life, right thursday nights 8 to 10 eastern anyone can come in and talk anything like we usually will have a guest but I get people that come in and they're prepared to debate me and I don't know i'm having a debate that night
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I've had black people israelites uh church of christ Pastor want to argue baptism saves.
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I mean I all kinds of things catholics who don't think the current pope is catholic and you know it
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It's fun. I know i'm weird But the number of people who because I have that i'm always like when people want or want to debate me online
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I'm, like well, hey join me on apologetics live. Let's discuss it. There's just recently a woman who You know wants to say how wrong
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I am for my position on women pastors and she's like blasting me
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Like daily And i'm like, why don't you come on and discuss it? And so yeah, they they don't usually come on I did do it once with a black hebrew israelite and um, they they pulled out of the debate
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So what I did was I told the moderator so listen Do the debate anyway introduce me i'll do my opening and let the guests introduce themselves
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He was like, but who are we gonna have I said don't worry about it. We'll have somebody He's like, okay
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And so all of a sudden it's time to put the other person on and I put up a picture of an empty chair it worked because there was a black hebrew israelite that got so Upset that after a year and a half no one would debate me that he came on and debated me
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Now michael, you know how you know, you want to debate Here's here's how you know When everybody from that side tells you that that guy was not good at debating they could do better And after the debate with the black commercial
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I had dozens and dozens of emails messages telling me that guy wasn't good He's not a good reputation
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You need someone Then why don't you come on? Yeah, kind of like the the uh, carson, uh, what's his name billy carson with the west huff?
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He you know, he totally backtracked and was like, oh I was sick, you know I have to oh man
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It's I heard it was really good. It's pretty good. I've seen parts and bits and parts of it. Yeah, it's it's really good
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He got smoked Well andrew, thanks for coming on, um
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So so far i've had a few guests on it's been extended It's been over the last several months since I started the podcast actually just a couple days ago was a year that i've been
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Officially podcasting and posting videos on youtube and stuff like that But so i've had some i've had some some really cool guests on i've actually had a lot of fun with it
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But i've had sam storms on we discussed all millennialism and also the spiritual gifts too, obviously um
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My pastor trinity bounds came on to talk about he he made the conversion from pre -mill historic pre -mill
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Over to the base correct all millennial position And then
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I had reformed recon on to discuss post -millennial um And so i've been looking for I was just recently on his program.
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Oh, he's I like him man. He's cool. Yeah. Yeah He's a real good guy. Uh, he actually so After After i'm glad he did it while we weren't recording anymore, but we're you know, i'm a i'm an all millennial
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But i'm also a partial preterist But i'm also, uh, i'm also kind of a pessimistic when it comes to the end times things are gonna get worse and worse
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And uh off air he goes wait a minute I didn't say anything while we were recording but uh you're partial preterist and you're you're pessimistic and I was like Oh Good point.
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I had no thought I couldn't even respond. I was like that's actually a really good point. I need to rethink this Well, no, what you gotta do is talk talk to a friend of mine.
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Matt slick, you know, he calls it depressed cryptology Because he's he's gonna be it's going to be depressing in the end, but he's a nominal so, you know, go figure yeah
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Well, so again i'm really thankful that you're that you're on today so we're going to be discussing Dispensationalism what it is what it isn't that sort of thing.
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This is isn't a debate by any means I made that clear when I messaged you know, i'm not a debate type of person
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Anyway, uh, I just wanted someone to come on and be able to explain the position without you know I might offer a little pushback if I feel it necessary Uh, if I have some questions that come up but so kind of what
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I want to do is the first part is just let you just explain dispensationalism like To someone who has no idea or you know, maybe address some misunderstandings maybe address
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Uh what form of dispensational you are? I know there's different, you know Different forms of it.
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So maybe which one you are and why and then time permitting, uh the second half I have a few questions
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From some people on facebook who which by the way, I really appreciated you, uh interacting with uh, my viewers in the facebook page that was that was pretty cool some of those some of your responses
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I took note of i'm like i'm gonna do that now like The the galatians like oh, you obviously don't read galatians.
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You're like I don't so i'm gonna start using that one i'm put that one in my repertoire, but Uh, so time permitting we'll address those questions.
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So so andrew what is dispensationalism? Yeah, and and first off. I I obviously don't mind a debate if you want to go that way
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You want to get more debate of i'm jewish, right? We were raised So and we are it's it's what people go.
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Why are so many jewish people? Why are they becoming lawyers? It is the only career path where you get paid to debate and we're we're just trying to debate because it sharpens the skills so People think debate is a bad thing.
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They they think an argument's a bad thing It shouldn't be it should be to strengthen our our arguments strengthen our thinking sharpen us.
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And so um, and yeah, so I had I did have a lot of fun you got to see a little bit of my personality of You know when people tell me what
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I believe i'm like, oh I do. Okay So dispensationalism, um is kind of nowadays seems to be the the the whipping boy of theology, right when people
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People like everyone seems to have come out of dispensationalism And they're they're now covenantal and i'm going to explain those terms both those in a few minutes
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But they come out of that and they go. Well, I understood it what the reality is is
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People growing up. I I didn't understand judaism growing up. I came out of that But I went to hebrew school and we were taught it but I didn't really understand judaism until I started studying the tamud
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As an adult actually as a christian So, you know just because someone grows up someone doesn't mean they really believe it and and so it's that's one of the things most people have a wrong definition of what
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Dispensationalism is maybe they read the left behind series or they think it is the left behind series I've never read the left behind series and just for those
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I since I got to see some of the questions being asked I never read schofield either so Um, you know didn't read darby
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So any of those questions that are going to come up? Oh, well, uh, i'm not interested So let's first define terms
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So you have two major? Views of how we interpret the bible and it's very carefully what
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I said there They're theological systems that at their heart Of the issue is how?
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What rules you're going to follow for interpretation? So you have dispensationalism you have covenant theology and there are several branches within both
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There's actually when you study it. There's there's movement, uh within Dispensationalism, which is kind of coming a little bit closer to where covenant theology would be
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Called progressive dispensationalism and then you have some covenant theology. It's moving closer or dispensationalism.
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It used to be called new covenant theology Uh now I think it's called progressive covenantalism
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But people that are I really think what it comes down to is people that are Looking at the text of scripture are starting to see more agreement
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I personally will just say up front that I wish that we would We would do a lot more of that so that we could like actually fight the world system that wants to throw us in prison um
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Fighting each other. Um, I just literally yesterday just got back from a conference
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With a guy who so i'm i'm a baptist Uh, i'm a dispensationalist and we're going to explain what it is in a moment
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This guy that i'm sharing a room with is from doug wilson's church, right? So he's presbyterian he's ccr uh ccrc and You know the opposite Kind of on the other ends of expect of spectrums, right?
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He and I are sitting in heaven. I mean, I wish we recorded the conversation because we we weren't using labels We weren't we're just asking each other.
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What do you believe about this? What do you believe about this and actually listening to one another? And dialoguing with what each other's saying and we really realized like we had a lot more agreement than we would have thought walking into the conversation
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There's very little we actually really disagreed on in areas and it's just how we define things and But this is not a so much dispensationalism is not and this is the big biggest misconception
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It's not an end time system it's not Trying to say how things will happen in the end
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You know book of revelation things like that It is how you interpret the bible now doing that Consistently leads to an end times view of premillennialism
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Okay, so that now another term i'm going to have to define premillennialism, but dispensationalism.
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Let me start with covenant theology Um, and i'm just gonna say i'm gonna say this up front
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Don't get upset any of you who believe in covenant theology. Give me a chance to finish this sentence
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But no get the sound Well, that's what we'll do historically. What do we have?
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We we had a church early on early church fathers you know And they they were working through theology and and it takes centuries of working through theology
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Theology is usually developed when error occurs, okay and so You know, you can look at a guy like augustine
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I wrote a paper on augustine and showed how he Believed very much what we would hold to in premillennialism that there would be a literal thousand -year kingdom
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But all millennialists can look at The right of his writings because he believed he was in that thousand -year kingdom.
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Yeah And so you can have both so people say like oh this is a dispensationalism is new well, yes, and no and there was a question in your facebook group that asked that and it's like well, yes and no because The early church fathers were not as clear as we have become today because we've been more and more and more precise
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Yeah in our language because more error popped up so covenant theology
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Was something that was Born out of the roman catholic church. Don't shoot me yet.
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Let me finish Speaking to the audience. I know someone's banging their phone like oh not give me a rock.
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Come on. Yeah the but it was something where the the roman catholic church was trying to make themselves like they were israel and that gave them the
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That that that their priesthood and all of that stuff they to give themselves
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I I think it's the same thing you see with mormons and others where it's like they give themselves like they're they're
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Somehow more special they've replaced israel or things like that And I think that that symbol on symbolic interpretation influenced the catholic church now what believers today
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Who don't who would hold to what they call covenant theology? It is what is properly referred to as reformed theology
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Because what happened was the reformers took that catholic Style of interpretation and they stripped out from that the hierarchy of the church the hierarchy of tradition and left the word
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But but that style of interpretation Was still there. So there's dispensationalism was
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Was totally different in looking at how how do we interpret language? So a key part we're going to see a difference
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Will be uh as a dispensationalist I will use the same
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Rules of interpretation as I would for any other book pretty much Where a covenant theologian slash reformed theologian i'm using those terms both those terms based on what
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I had just said historically um They're going someone in that camp is going to look at it and say well the the bible is a spiritual book
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It's a different book. We use a different hermeneutic than we would any other book and so As in the conversation
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I had with this guy from doug wilson's church. He's one of the deacons there um, and you know
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We're sitting and talking and I'm hearing what he's saying say, okay, he's being consistent within his hermeneutic
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He's he's being consistent with what he's saying and that's more what i'm looking for. So As a dispensationalist we're gonna have
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A couple differences that we'd look at from a reformed theology perspective
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Dispensationalism is going to have what I would refer to As a literary hermeneutic now people have different terminology they use for that a normal hermeneutic is just the the science art and science of interpretation, so Uh, they would some people would say it's a literary
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Sorry a literal or some reiry would refer to it as a normal The idea of it that I like literary because it deals with the different genres of the texts, right?
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I'm going to follow the the rules for that genre Okay, so I don't spiritualize much and this will be a question.
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I think one of your your audience had asked about like So when do you? Know that it's literal and when not and I'll I will say the text will tell me
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Um, but then that becomes the question for the reformed or covenant theologian is when do you do it? And and we'll look at some of those with some of the questions that you have
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Now the so the first primary thing that defines dispensationalism is this literary normal Hermeneutic, however, you want to define it the second distinctive
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Is seeing a distinction between israel and the church now because of that hermeneutic that style of interpretation
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That's what leads to seeing israel as separate From the the church
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Um, it is something that confuses a lot of people We don't have time to dig into it and expand this but let me just give really quick So your audience can understand where I come from with this many of us within christianity would talk about the visible invisible church
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And when we talk about the visible invisible church, we understand that to be the invisible church is believers everywhere around the world
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Every believer is part of that The visible church is that local body that meets that can have believers in it could have unbelievers in it
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We don't know which one who's the church who isn't I use that same type of language for israel
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That there's a visible and invisible israel and I use it the same way. So there's a nation of israel
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That's made. It's a that's the local church kind of thinking it's
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It's believers and unbelievers, but there's an invisible israel If you want to use that or a spiritual israel, and they're the ones that are only believers
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And when I do it that way, I I think it becomes a lot easier to understand the continuity discontinuity because the believers the invisible parts of both are
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The same body of believers right and so that's how
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I make that distinction Um, and there could be a lot more we could get into with that if needed
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And the third is that a dispensationalist Dispensationalist so so where the first one is this literary style
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A reformed theologian is going to do more of a figurative style more of a spiritual style um where i'm going to see a distinction between israel and the church someone that's in a reform camp is going to take less of It they're going to they're going to be seeing that israel is a just a different Administration as some will say same body israel and the church is the same but different administrations some will say that the
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Israel is the old testament church and the church is new testament israel And so there's different ways that they'll explain that the third distinction
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Is I would say dispensationalism looks at the scripture From a doxological approach.
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In other words, everything about the bible is for god's glory Where reformed perspective will say well every every passage of the bible has to reflect back to christ
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So they're cross cross christological so they're looking for christ in everything So let me give the example song of solomon
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I can look at that and say that god is describing what the way the the love within a a godly marriage should be
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And I see it just as a wedding ceremony And and honeymoon and a reformed theologian has to find christ.
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So that's about christ and the church Yeah, that's how it's taught correct and um
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Actually one of my professors that song of solomon was his phd uh dissertation uh, and looking at what was actually going on and how the wedding festivals and all that and So it's something where I give that book because it becomes really clear how you
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How you're going to approach song of solomon is going to be very different based on which camp you're in Okay so when it comes to the end times right that's where People think whenever I say i'm dispensational the response
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I usually get is well i'm not pre -millennial Or i'm all millennial And I go that's nice.
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It has nothing to do with it, right? Because that's the byproduct of the interpretation
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Right. It's not it's not the the what dispensationalism actually is
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It's that if you follow that hermeneutic that's interpretation style Consistently you be you'll become pre -millennial so dispensationalism just to kind of maybe tell me if my metaphor is right or not, so Dispensationalism would be like the whole train essentially and the caboose is the caboose um, whereas maybe like i'm all millennial i'm reformed in a lot of ways, but i'm also not reformed in a lot of ways
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Uh all millennialism would be more uh, the caboose only that's the end. That's the end of it
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But it's not the whole thing like reformed theology I would say is also the whole train as well. Is that a good metaphor?
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I'm, not i'm not sure but I mean it is You the difference
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I think with postmill and omil is you can hold to reformed hermeneutic and Believe either one of them
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Because it's not tied to it. In fact, you can hold to progressive covenantalism or new covenant theology
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If you they have the same hermeneutic pretty much up until end times
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So where they would you know that? Camp would end up agreeing with me on most things, but then their end times
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They they use a different hermeneutic for that. And so that's that's the difference. So The those camps can lead you to any of the three positions
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But dispensationalism the reason it's so closely I think assigned with premillennialism is because the hermeneutic will always lead to if it's consistent to that premillennial view and And for for the listeners,
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I mean that may That I mean you said it's been a while since you've done some of the shows, right? So premillennial omillennial postmillennial they deal with the idea of this revelation 20 the first six verses
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Six times in there. It talks about a thousand years. That's the millennium now. The question is Is it a literal millennium?
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If you say no That would be an omillennial camp Okay if you say yes now the question follow -up question is
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Does christ return? at the beginning of that period or the end of that period
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And That's now going to determine which whether you're pre -millennial or post -millennial
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With where christ is going to return pre -millennial christ is going to return before the millennium and he's going to reign during that millennium and post -millennial he's he's reigning now, which would be similar to omillennial and And that that thousand years is more of a figurative thing like omillennial
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But the post -millennial would say that christ will end up coming back. So You I I kind of there's there's a lot of similarity between omillennial and post -millennial
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Yeah cousins Yeah, they're they're kissing cousins you know Dispensationalism is just a dispensationalism is a totally a different way of looking at How to interpret the bible
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Different from the way the catholic church started doing it the roman catholic church. Um and so I think that's why it comes to that different that different now within Dispensationalism you have differences you have when is that there's a seven -year period called a tribulation
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That we read about and the question is Does christ return a rapture the church?
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That that means a period where he just takes the church out and returns to dealing with israel again Does christ
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Do that in the beginning of that seven -year period the middle of that seven -year period or the end of that seven -year period?
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And there's different views there so Those are the different uh views of end times
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And so I would end up being what's called pre -mill pre -trib. So I think that christ will
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The next event christ will rapture the church He'll bring israel back into focus he will
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Uh, there'll be a seven -year period of Of tribulation in the world as the church is gone at the end of that seven -year period.
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Um, there will be a great war there will be um Basically, uh christ will return he will physically reign on earth as king for a thousand years
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That would be the second coming and then we end up having the the end of the age So just give a nice overview for for the listeners and some of the listeners like oh you bored me
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I already know all that well good Yeah, good
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What What do you think are I don't know maybe we got a few questions here
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Um, but before I guess before we get into that maybe we'll address some of these With the questions, but what do you think?
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What do you think's the biggest? Misconception like I would say, you know on on the covenantal side of things
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I would I would say the biggest misconception is calling calling it replacement theology
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Because we don't actually think that the church replaced israel Which we believe it's it's you know, christ fulfilled it and that we were grafted into one tree
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You know romans. I was at 9 through 11 Uh, so that's a big misconception. It's kind of like, you know, that's how we like to uh
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Yeah, just let's we attack we attack each other with oh you're replacement theology or this or that, you know So i'll but on your end
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What do you think is like maybe the biggest misconception that you hear a lot and you're always having to kind of correct or?
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or whatever yeah, and you're right and I always point that out that Covenantalism does not teach replacement theology.
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There are some who do But that's not the norm Uh, I the two areas
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I think if the the biggest misconception is that dispensationalism is premillennialism and Premillennialism is in the is in it is a study of theology of end times called eschatology, which is on mill post mill premill
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Covenant theology is part of as with dispensationalism is more of the harmoneutics
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Uh, but it has a broader aspect because that harmoneutic affects All the the whole systematic theology
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Because the systematic theology is taking all the passages of the bible interpreting them and putting them together by category
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So how you interpret all those individual passages will affect your overall systematic theology
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And so I would say that's probably the biggest one. Um You know, you're saying the replacement theology
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Well, the the flip side to that one Is that people will say well as a dispensationalist, oh you believe that the church is plan b
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You know that god didn't have a god was dealing with israel and then he just he didn't see you know the church age or you know, like Israel rejected and it was just oh, this is a plan b.
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I'll do this now that that's I that's actually in the same exact camp as replacement theology
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You know, there may be a couple of extremists that hold to it, but it's not it's not normative How how would you
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I don't know, uh, so, you know going with with that misconception, how would you how would you respond like Uh, how is it?
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How is it not I guess? um God's plan b if you will Well because god knows everything so there was no plan b for god,
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I mean right I mean that's it's it's really that simple. Um This was always part of god's plan and i'll argue
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That we can see that in scripture we we see prophecies in the old testament that talk about christ and yet What you end up seeing is you'll see it where he's reigning as a king
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At the same time where he's coming as a suffering servant And they can be right next to each other and you go.
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How how are these? Like it's been partially fulfilled and this is what some would say
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Is what's called now not yet That there's some fulfillment of those prophecies now that we get to Enjoy, but there's others that have not yet been fulfilled so I would argue that when we look at um the new covenant jeremiah
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Uh, and then in ezekiel it talks about the new covenant. It is being fulfilled right now
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In in the part of the promise was that we would no longer need a priesthood the holy spirit himself
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God himself would indwell us Well, that is what's happening in the church age, but then there's other aspects of it that are tied directly to to the nation of israel
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So there's going to be a time that they have that experience right and so We got to be careful and you know another a more personal go back to misconceptions.
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I'll give you a personal misconception And you even saw it in some of the the I think you might have saw it in some of the questions in your group
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Um people assume that because i'm jewish that's why i'm dispensational Um, because there was a question asking why you know, why i'm a zionist
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Oh, yeah, I saw that and i'm like well i'm a zionist because i'm an israelite I'm, not a zionist because i'm a dispensationalist and and there that that brings up I think
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I and I think that person is I I would love to dialogue with that person because I think we have a different Definition of what zionism is
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But zionism is just the idea of wanting Jewish people returning to the nation of israel, that's zionism
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Uh that has nothing to do with dispensationalism. Well, I mean some think it does because they think Because there is this idea that god's going to deal back with the jewish people
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It back in the land of israel that that becomes important and dispensationalism
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Has been around Before 1948 when people started when there was another a nation of israel again so You know, it's it didn't start with the nation of israel being reformed so Right that yeah, it only makes sense if it was post 1948 when uh, yeah when israel was given their land back or at least some of it
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Yeah For some fun, you know tidbits of information. Do you know what?
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We we used to call jewish people that lived in that land
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Known as israel before 1948 No palestinians
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Yeah That was what they were called that area was called palestine. There was never a nation of palestine. It was an area
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Yeah by the romans, right the romans started calling that as is it? As an insult to the jewish people because the philistines were like the thorn under their side
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And so the romans called it palestine And as like an insult to them and so the jewish people that lived there prior to 1948 were called palestinians
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That's that I know that just blew some people's mind going wait a minute. No, that can't be So I have a personal question, um, and this is
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Again, I could be completely The more the more guests I have on With different views than me and the more
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I actually study myself and learn about the different I know where I land on on certain things. There's some areas where i'm a little weaker in but So this might be completely mischaracterization
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Of dispensationalism and forgive me if it is please correct me live on camera. I don't care. It's fine
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Um, but something i've you know reading so the first peter the letter of first peter he's writing to Um, this goes into There's a church quote unquote replace israel or you know, is the church now israel, whatever however you want to label that so um
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Peter and I love I love first peter. It's one of my favorite letters Uh in the whole new testament
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Um, but he's talking to people scattered about cappadocia galatia I think bithynia several several areas gentile areas.
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No, he's not like he's not writing to jerusalem he's not he might be writing to jews, but But over and over in that in that letter
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There is there's basically talk of like you're a holy nation be holy because I am he keeps over and over again referencing the old testament and basically
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Uh, you would think reading it. Maybe he's talking to to only strictly jews here kind of like the writer of hebrews seems to be doing
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But if if one if he's not writing to jews Does that not?
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Does that not disprove? Uh dispensationalism does that not uh show that the church has
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I guess fulfilled israel or been grafted in and the church is now israel You know what?
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I'm trying to you know, i'm trying to ask here. Yep. Yep, and so Peter who was the he's the apostle known apostle to the jewish people along with james the pastor of the church in jerusalem
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Both wrote very similarly similarly and for the same reason to their
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Their audience who was in jerusalem and spread throughout the world under persecution and so These people have fled and he's writing to encourage them and so Where peter is encouraging them to how to live under persecution?
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James is writing to them encouraging them what genuine faith is And under persecution you question faith.
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So it makes sense that they would both need those I think that what you have is you have the mixing now of so he's writing
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I think to a mostly jewish audience, but not not only And but it's a jewish audience that understands the idea and he's using the same language
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That we see used for israel language, they would understand
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So it's not saying okay, this is a you know, we this is now grafted in The idea of it is that there is a nation of israel
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And there there's a there was a different What we would say dispensation and that dispensation is defined by a covenant.
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So there was a covenant of moses That had certain commands that was for a nation
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That is different than the new covenant that we have for the church Okay, so the way progressive covenantalism would say it is or new covenant theology would say it is it's it's
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The law of to israel and the law the law of christ And so there are laws to the nation of israel.
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You don't keep i'm sure I'm sure you don't keep kosher. I had pork today for lunch actually
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There you go. You need to repent of that Uh, the there's
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But you know, you don't keep the passover which Is is a command to keep forever? and so What we end up seeing is there there are things that the church has different rules shall we say or instructions
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That differ different from the nation of israel And that's why I said the difference of the visible invisible
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Because when we're talking about the laws, which is where most of the people discuss this on It's dealing with that visible church and visible israel right
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Because you can't see who's the unbelievers, but when we talk about the invisible church and invisible israel
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Now that I would say, okay now we're dealing with basically one body Okay, and so the that's the redeemed people
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Now did they have different instructions when they were alive? Yes I mean, that's no different than you know
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The instructions given to noah were different than the ones given to abraham given the different than the ones given to moses and and so every covenant this is why
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I I Have a friend of my met's like he would he would always say that covenant Theology is more biblical because we see covenants in the bible and i'd be like, yeah, that that's that's that's a fallacy because covenant theology
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Is not a covenant. It's they're totally different but see dispensationalism is actually based on covenant
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Every what we'd call dispensation that that what some would call like a administration. There's two administrations one body of christ um
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We would see that with each covenant And so you you ask the question of where what type of dispensationalism am
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I there's classical uh I think the terms that people use is classical traditional and progressive
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I don't know. I know i'm not classical. Um, I don't care because i'm not It sounds bad, but because everyone knows me as the poster boy,
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I guess for dispensationalism online Um, but I don't really care because i'm more about how you interpret the bible um,
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I think i'd probably be more in the in what's the progressive camp and I and And I don't fully understand the differences between the traditional and progressive
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Other than the view of david's the covenant with david what you do with that and i'm going like, okay um
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But i'm in the church age so like some of that doesn't matter practically and and as a shepherd i'm more concerned with shepherding the flock so I I have less concern with all of the theological debates and nuance that we sometimes want to just debate when we're scholars
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It's the advantage of being a pastor versus a scholar, right? so I can get along better with people
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So, yeah, so I mean that's I I When people actually ask me what
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I am michael I say i'm a reportian Because my last name is rapaport.
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I thought you answered. Yeah. Yeah somebody that You got to ask me what
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I believe right because because it doesn't fit, you know Like, you know, you're describing how you're that's why I think you'd get along well with matt slick, you know, he's he's a presbyterian
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Who goes to calvary chapel churches? Who's reformed believes the gifts continue?
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Uh Is amil believes there's a future for israel and that things will get depressing
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Yeah, that's besides the presbyterian part. But yeah, that's that's probably He doesn't fit into anything there, right?
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You know, it's yeah, you know because he's he's trying to take the text of scripture and This is where the difference is like so so matt and I come to different conclusions because we have a different hermeneutic but We're both doing the same thing.
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We're not letting the same theological system determine how we interpret the bible We're trying to interpret the bible and then develop this the systematic theology from it and so You know, but like when
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I wrote my book, what do we believe? You're not going to see a lot of dispensationalism in there because i'm trying to say what all of christian believes except for one area
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Um, if you if you read the chapter, uh in my book, what do we believe on the church? What I do in there is is to define what church is
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I actually go through historically to say The word ecclesia changed over time the meaning of it.
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I mean it was first it was first used in ephesus To for to vote where everyone was required to vote.
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Every male was required to vote and so what you ended up having was you had it as a a you know a call for people to come out and vote and then later it becomes something where It's used for the worship of god
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Then later it becomes more precise in the visible invisible church that we're talking about And then later in the puritans they because of error.
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They're clarifying it and they're saying oh it it's the three elements of church that they talk about the you know that it's got to be the preach the preaching of god's word the uh practicing of the of the um ordinances
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And practicing of church discipline, right? So each time it got more and more precise So I do give
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I will admit I give a little bit of a tweak In that chapter because I do say that like if you're reformed and you keep reforming, you know that the the this
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The definition of church has been more precise Uh that it's not israel So up until there everyone agree what could agree
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It's just that that's probably the only place where I did have a little fun because it's because that is the major Difference between israel, uh, the difference with israel and the church is the difference between the two theological systems
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Okay, okay Well, we're already at 40 some odd minutes here So I want to get at least a few of our the viewer they had some really good questions
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I had a hard time selecting, you know, uh selecting some and some of you already answered in the comment section.
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It was pretty funny actually so um What he's trying to tell you folks is you want to go and look at the post that he put up In the group where he said
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I was coming on so that you could see some of my humor in in the answer for sure absolutely
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Answered one with the one fellow that I did answer online because he was like, you know I don't know if you had that one where he was like,
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I don't know if this is out of line to say, you know But but he he was taught he was like, isn't there, you know
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Doesn't everyone think that you know chris is going to come in there in their time period and I was like, yeah That totally mischaracterized the point
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Ha ha In a fun way polite way, yeah, i'm glad I tagged you because you know, like uh
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When you don't when you have someone that you don't know you haven't you know You haven't really interacted with coming on your show and you're like, I don't know if they're gonna be like You know brass or what?
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You know, you just don't know who they are. So i'm really glad I tagged you I'm, really glad that you were you were you know
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Interacting with people in the comments because I was like, okay, this is gonna be fun. This is gonna be Uh fun for sure
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Well, I can I come on someone's podcast i'm doing it for your audience not mine I'm, not looking to gain an audience from it.
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I'm not looking to promote, you know Hey, this is unless unless a host asks me to promote things.
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I you know, I a lot of times forget to Because i'm here for your audience and so you give me a chance to engage with your audience about what we're talking about I i'm doing that because i'm hoping that i'm hoping your audience will get more out of the engagement
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Even though they they'll disagree with me. Okay I could take it. I could take I'm just gonna say
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I personally believe that men like r .c. Sproul Believe what I believe today. I I think we are in agreement today
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And for folks who don't realize r .c. Sproul was a presbyterian that passed away. So my the joke is i'm saying he's baptist today
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That's the yeah I'm saying he's a continuationist today. Yeah I will one way or another
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I will we will so like even on that topic we will agree in heaven Yeah, one of them both can't be right we both could be wrong
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Yeah, both can't be right I think we're all gonna be Right, I think when it comes to end times
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We're all going to be a little bit like we all had it wrong at least a little bit And for your audience, I am hoping that you will you know, come on to my apologetics live so we can talk about the
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Continuationist association. I think it'd be fun I'm down. I'm down. You're calling me out in front of everybody. I got
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I gotta come on All right, well let's
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I guess we really only have time to answer one or two of these but um, I'll start with uh, jamie newton
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Jamie, i'm sorry. I've actually went on his podcast not the sermon. I think it's coming out march 17th or something like that So really funny guy jamie noonally,
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I think um, i'll put it up on the screen in post -production here so you can see this name and the question says How do you choose which parts of revelation to consider literal and which parts are symbolic?
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For example, you've already kind of answered this question But for example, the image of jesus in revelation 1 12 through 16 is usually not considered literal with symbolic
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With bronze feet eyes of fire, etc that carry metaphorical meaning Yet many dispensationalists believe in a literal mark of the beast
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Actual millennial reign and a flesh and blood false prophet What besides the reader's opinion?
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That's a nice little jab Determines determines what is literal and what isn't you've already kind of answered this but maybe
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Yeah, it is good because this is an important one and uh, you know jamie you know i'll give you the the little jab back and I think
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I did on on the group but The the question is how do you do it? I I will say that the way I do it is based on the genre
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So let me let me take a stab at you know, you you start with it. What does it say looking at it?
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Does it make sense? Michael if I said i'm so hungry I can eat a cow
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Do you believe that I in one sitting can eat an entire cow depends on who's asking?
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Well, that's this preacher pastor probably no i'm joking. I'm totally joking. Don't don't throw rocks most people say
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No to that and to which my respondents say you didn't you didn't know me in my younger years
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So But no, I mean we we understand there's idioms In fact, let me give you let me give you an idiom that Maybe many of your audience don't even know about uh, jesus said
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That no one knows the day or the hour not the angels But only the father knows
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Now People sit there and get into a whole debate on whether jesus doesn't know things in his humanity that he knows in his deity
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And when you separate that that's heresy All right But that's a jewish idiom now we drop out the angels part but no way no man knows that they are the hour
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Not the son only the father Is a is a idiom referring to a jewish wedding
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To say you have to live life as if any moment could be The moment which when you see both in the context, that's the exact context of both of those
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And so a lot of people misunderstand and some even fall into heresy unknowingly And and teach heresy because they don't realize it's an idiom
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Okay And so one of the principles is if we read it and it it can't possibly be literal
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You know, then we take it figurative now In this one, he's referencing this this symbolic image
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Um, well, there's an image what is it? Well, we don't know but To john's vision.
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Remember this is john describing What he sees I mean You know if if you take someone from 1500 years ago
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And you show them a helicopter What would they describe it as? They wouldn't have a category for it
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And they'd be trying to figure out how to explain to people what what they're seeing So there is going to be some of that So but to flip it on jamie when we look at something like jeremiah, uh, sorry, uh revelation 20
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You have six times in six verses a thousand years being used in chronological language
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So the the issue is if if you take this as something that's not literal
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Then All the language around it seems to be very specifically
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This happens then this happens a thousand years then this happens a thousand years So there's chronological language to it, that's what would lead me to believe that it's literal because of that now
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He lades hold of a dragon the serpent of old And they go. Well, that's you know, that's a dragon that that's not the actual but the dragon
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Is specified as the serpent of old who is referred to as satan in? genesis
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So that's who it's referring to. It's not referring to a literal dragon People will say well the angels my friend matt's like he'll say well the angels coming from heaven
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Having a key to abyss and great chains in his hand and they'll say we'll see an angel can't be chained up physically
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Because they're spiritual But then see matt also agrees that in first peter. It's referring to angels
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That go back to genesis chapter six with the sons of god mating with the daughters of men and he'll say that those are
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Well, the offspring are the nephilim or the giants he'll say that they're that those are angels which is
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I think the right interpretation and and historically the view that That would be the jewish view. Uh So with that I go well, then how are they chained up and he goes?
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Oh, yeah The problem right but he his argument is because the angels being chained
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Has to be figurative than the thousand years has to be figurative And I flip it around and say well the the thousand years doesn't have to be figurative because the language
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The direct language is chronological. So i'm going to take that as normative As as literal now, what i'm going to do is say, okay
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The dragon is literal that's satan and he's literally bound for a thousand years
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The angels are in the abyss with a great chain And they could be chained up We can't you know, we don't understand how that chain is, but i'm sure it's not a same chain as what we'd see
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But when john sees this he would look at it and see a chain and know what a chain is And that's what how he'd describe it so That i'm gonna let the direct
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Context tell me whether it's literal or not. I'm gonna default to a literal interpretation
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Unless a literal interpretation wouldn't make sense So that that's how
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I would do that and the question that I would ask, you know Someone that it would be more covenantal in their theology
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Would be when do you? Determine when it's literal or not Um, because you know, we'll take example ding dong jove as witnesses ding dong
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What do we believe book .com? A good example. I know this is one of your questions will be daniel.
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Daniel chapter nine. So You know, maybe you wanted to we could jump to that question because that would be a good
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A good segue for me to finish answering that for sure Yeah, I was actually looking for I was going to pick one more question to ask you before we had to wrap up So that's actually perfect.
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So you pick it for me. We we don't have to wrap up early your wife's not looking To see you.
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Don't worry about it. She's probably like yeah. Yeah. Yeah I I want to go hang out with my friends read a book, you know
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She's not in rush to see you. Yeah, sure my wife, uh, oh
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All right, so this one, uh word it's from word of faith reema reptile which he's a funny guy disagreed the word of faith thing, but Something's gonna tell me that that person's gonna hold to a charismatic for you.
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I don't know what in his type It's kind of like a charismatic cheetah. I don't know what makes me think that you guys are continuationists
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I Well me and him disagree Fundamentally on word of faith and kath copeland, but that's but still hilarious meme page.
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He really is hilarious Uh, and ask some really good questions, too So he says is ezekiel 40 through 43 about the millennial kingdom
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And if so, how do we reconcile sacrifices being present? Oh, no, that's not the right question.
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I'm, sorry That is not the right question um The one that you had was the you'd have these
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The one you gave me in the show notes has the ezekiel 40 43, that's the first one
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Yes, third question Yes, three gotcha, yeah all three
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I could try to cover all three of the his yeah, okay, um Well, what he said good segue into daniel.
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So his question about danis, uh, daniel nine says what does Dispensational hermeneutics bring to the table as far as bible interpretation
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Can you give us a rundown of the dispensational understanding of daniel's 70 weeks from daniel chapter nine?
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Yeah, which is I never hear anyone that is opposes dispensationalism that wants to talk to the 70 weeks of daniel nine um, so let me he this is a really good question the first one about uh,
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Ezekiel because people because when you look at ezekiel 40 43, there's talk about sacrificing in the millennium
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So what is that? And you know, are we re -offering a sacrifice when christ already did, you know, he finished the sacrifice
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I I personally believe what that's probably going to be is very much like what our baptism and lord supper is it's a memorial
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It's not actual. It's not an actual Um sacrifice, but it is a reminding of what christ did
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So it'll probably go back to it more of a mindset that jewish people would understand with the jewish sacramental system
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Uh as a as a memorial that is more direct to something they would understand So I don't think it'll
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I don't think it'll have any I I would I wouldn't think that it has any sacramental value
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Like the way the catholics think that the lord supper gives them grace and I think it'll be just a memorial Okay, so the the the daniel 9 the reason
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I said this that this one is a good segue is This is one when we look at this.
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Um It it's like four verses It starts off. There's 70 weeks now the the weeks in hebrews.
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It's 77 So we understand this is a seven Each week is a seven -year period
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Okay, that would be very Understanding to jewish thinking because you have the jubilee years you have these
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Everything was based on a seven -day week a seven -year Cycle a seven times seven -year cycle.
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So this is very common thinking for a jewish thinking so You have seven seven -year periods and he has he gives six things that are going to happen at the end of this uh
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Um, it's Seven seven weeks 70 weeks have been decreed
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For your people and for your holy city. Okay to finish transgression One two to make an end of sin three to make atonement for iniquity four
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To bring an everlasting righteousness five to seal up vision and prophecy And six to anoint the most holy place
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Okay now For word of faith reema and charismatic cheetah
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I would argue this becomes a real problem for you guys Because if this is if this is referring to what already happened at the cross
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Then all then all of the vision and prophecy is over it is ceased. It's sealed up Yeah That becomes a problem.
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Um, yeah Yeah, but You So, I mean, it's you know, but when we're looking at it,
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I what you have is he's seven seven -year periods That is literal
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We how do we know it's literal? Well, he says so that you know To discern from the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild jerusalem until the messiah there will be seven seven -year periods and 62
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Seven -year periods it will be built again with a plaza and a moat And even in times of distress.
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Well, the decree is literal The rebuilding of the of jerusalem is literal.
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The coming of messiah is literal He gives the time frame. It is interesting that it's a seven seven -year period and a 62 seven -year period
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Because from the decree from cyrus it was seven seven -year periods
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Right 40 49 years of to build it And then there was the 62 seven -year periods from the time.
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It was finished building until christ is on the scene So all of that is literal and and this is something i've only had one person ever say disagree that it's not literal
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And the only reason is because when I came to my conclusion he had to backtrack And say no this has to be figurative because he wants the last week to be figurative okay and so I'm seeing that literal because everything here is literal.
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What do you have in verse 26? It says then after 62 weeks or 62 seven -year periods
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That's chronological again, right? So you see all this is chronological It's one than the other
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It's the seven weeks and the 62 weeks then after the 62 weeks The messiah will be cut off.
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So 62 weeks the messiah comes After that he's cut off and uh and have nothing
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The messiah is cut off and have nothing And the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary
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So who do who destroy the city in the sanctuary with the romans? So they are the prince who are to come so there's got to be this prince and we would see that In other books to say that's the antichrist the prince who has come will come from rome
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Some people say well, that's that's the pope. Well, it could be um But and then it says And its end will come with a flood, uh, even to the end there there will be war and desolations
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And then here's the thing it says and Verse 27 it's and it's not then you see verse 26 was then after this is and He will make a firm covenant
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Uh with many for one week, so it's one seven -year period but in the middle of the week
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He will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offerings And the wing of abomination will come will come one who makes desolation until A complete destruction one is decreed is poured out on the one who makes desolation desolate
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So this is saying there's going to be a seven -year period sometime after messiah comes It doesn't have to immediately follow
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So Because it's it's not saying it's not using chronological language here But what's going to happen?
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You're going to have a seven -year period halfway through the sacrificial system is going to end Now what many will do is say well this is this verse 27 is fulfilled in 70 ad
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And the full preterist, you know do this big time and this is the question I always have for the full preterist is
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Help me with the math Seven years Right.
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We got a seven -year period So christ dies in 30 some You know say you want to say 33
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You know 36 whichever So 33 plus 7 equals 70 now
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Right 33 plus the seven -year period equals 70 ad It it doesn't work and so what
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A lot of people have done is say that that last week is figurative You see, but there's nothing with the other weeks that were figurative
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So why would the last one be figurative the language of the text says it's all literal.
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It's a literal seven -year period So now how do we rectum rectify that because we know messiah came?
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but we haven't had this seven -year period where the The sacrificial system is ended in the middle of a seven -year period
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But you notice the language also allows for a gap in time For us to say well, this is chronological this happens then this happens and then after that happens somewhere
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This other thing is going to happen But there wasn't the chronological connection there And so I could see that god and this is also why i'd be pre -millennial
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I think that god's going to take the church out of the world bring israel back into uh into focus
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And then that seven -year period will start and in the middle of it He's going to the antichrist would put an end to the sacrificial system
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So so that that's a and i'm glad That word of faith rima asked that because of the fact that what that what it does is allow it
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Really allowed me to show kind of everything you've been wanting and bring it all together What is dispensationalism how do we interpret what is the pre -millennial view that this one passage has it all
01:05:39
Now i'm almost upset. You did kind of ask the next question your show notes About the biggest misconception.
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The only thing I liked about the the question was the the person who asked the name You know the the calvary chapel coconut crab.
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Yeah I would ask that one by because of because of the name
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It's a mouthful Uh, well andrew, um, we're out of time here uh, and by the way that did also answer
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Hugo's question as well that you had, you know as far as the literal and Grammatical how that plays out.
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So Hugo helm is my favorite cessationist post mill like we we disagree on the gifts, but we almost agree on eschatology
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Uh, he's he's one of those that he uh heckles me but in a friendly way none like a you know
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So I I really like hugo. He's cool. He's funny if you want to believe the the gifts continue for You know what like 70 years go for it because for eternity you'll you'll you won't be so I mean some people
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People won't wait to heaven to be right You know speaking of that though, um, you know,
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I was thinking I don't I don't know how anybody can be Dispensational and a continuation so I actually catch more flat for my followers for being uh for not being a dispensational than I do for You know being you know, not being a cessationist
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I actually catch a lot more flat from my fellow charismatics who are dispensational than I do from my uh, you know
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The cessationist followers so I like to me. It doesn't make sense. Like you can't really be a charismatic
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I don't think so. At least like you talked about with the the daniel the 70 weeks thing I don't think
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I don't see how you can be a dispensational and a charismatic with because of that just because of the daniel daniel portion, but I I I tend to agree with you.
01:07:36
Um, I mean i've never used that daniel portion um in in discussing the continuation of gifts
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Um, but I do you know being that you know, and I don't know how you would interpret You know daniel, but like if you're saying hey completed at 70 ad, right?
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Well, then those prophecy prophecies done, right? That could become a problem for your position.
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Um, Being that you are a continuationist if you hold that this is 70 ad
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I I think that the really comes down to how we're interpreting first corinthians 12 13 and 14 and The hermeneutic there.
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I don't think is Is playing it I would I would argue that i'm following a more consistent hermeneutic when it comes to to chapter 13
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And what the teleos is? They would uh disagree um, and and you know
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This wouldn't be you know, if you ever wanted to do another show on first corinthians You know 13 and the teleos that that could be a lot of fun
01:08:40
It could be fun. Yeah. Yeah I don't bite people's heads off. I mean look the reality is you and I are both wrong.
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This is something you know I was doing a debate metzlick and I were the keynotes on an apologetics cruise and a question was asked
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Why it is that we're debating dispensationalism versus covenant theology and I was addressing the strawman arguments
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Dispensationalists make against covenant theology. He was making Uh addressing the strawman arguments covenant theologians make against dispensational theology and someone asked why we do that now
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He matt had a much better answer than me. So even though he went first i'm gonna go explain mine first His was better.
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I I basically said because you know someone that's dispensational Is going to take it better me pointing out that when you talk about replacement theology that that's not a fair Representation of the position they're gonna they're gonna receive it better from me
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Yeah Matt had a much better answer one that i've used all the time because he's so right Matt said andrew and I are both wrong in our theology.
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We don't know where because if we did we would change But when we know that when we sit at the feet of christ, he will correct both of us and we'll be happy A freaking man, man.
01:09:54
Yeah, I think that is a thing that many people especially the keyboard theologians online need to learn
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Matt is a very smart guy um And you know, we debate a whole lot of things
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We're very good friends And we disagree and we could disagree vehemently and still be really good friends.
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Why because of what matt said We we believe we're right because of how we interpret the scriptures
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And yet we come to different conclusions and we know when we sit before christ we'll be corrected Amen, if more people did that we wouldn't have a lot less arguing online
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And maybe we can make a difference in this world, especially against the marxists You know, oh wait now i'm sounding post mill.
01:10:43
Oh That's a perfect place to that's a perfect place to wrap up um andrew, we're
01:10:51
Uh, I I kind of plugged your website here. Let me put your uh, let me put your website up here Is there anywhere else people can find you besides uh website and books?
01:11:00
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Another popular one ever, you know in last five years is the one we have on social justice But we have those we come into the church
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We look I I go all over the world, you know, I get asked to go places. I don't tell them
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Amen, or did I sound charismatic or something? Oh Well, thanks for coming on andrew, um yeah, we should definitely we should definitely look at doing a first corinthians 13 episode sometime and Uh, I guess
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I guess since you you know called me out in front of my my viewers, I guess i'll come on your show soon Yeah, we'll see that the advantage of coming on apologetics live
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Is your viewers will be able to watch and they'll be able to help you in the chat or even come on in and support
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You by jumping in because anyone can come in So, you know, I don't know you may end up having you and word of faith rima and calvary chapel coconut crab and you know
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Who who knows who else you're all teaming up against me? But i'm okay. I can handle because I got the word of god.
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