Dead Men Walking Podcast Christmas Livestream!

I'm assuming that's bad religion. Yeah you're welcome for that Greg. What's up.

Guys welcome to the live stream here with Parker Brown from watch well.

Podcast came in studio. What's up brother. How's it going man. Pretty good. Got a.

Shout out Cody Fields for the opening song there he turned me on to some bad religion Christmas album and I've just been playing it non-stop for the last.

Two weeks. What's going on. Fellas. How you doing out there. It is ironically so good. Yes sir yes sir you're welcome to that song man. Yeah. No problem. Listen. We're.

Doing a Christmas special live stream from 7 p .m. to 9 p .m. We've got people coming and going all two hours stopping in and we're talking about what might put you on the island of misfit toys an opinion that might have gotten you kicked out of Christmas dinner might have gotten you a lump of coal in your stocking.

It can be theological it can be political it can be cultural but we're just gonna chop it up and talk about it. And right now on the live stream obviously here with Parker Brown from watch. Well I have Andrew Rappaport from striving for eternity ministries.

Cody Fields from Westminster. Is it Westminster. Doxology effects. No one's missed. What's the podcast. Money.

Westminster effects and the Westminster effects doxology podcast. There we go.

Love it. We have Davis Young's he's constitutional attorney worked on some big cases. You've seen him on Fox News other places and then Cory from civically-minded down there in the corner and like I said we'll have people popping in all evening but so what's up what's up guys are you guys ready for.

Christmas here here man. I'm in your neck of the woods. I'm in Michigan so we travel up to see my wife's family every year for about ten days so everybody else heads south to warmer places but we head to beautiful Michigan.

For man we.

Should have had Davis in here. We got another chair. Come on down. We got the mugs full the heats going we're ready to go. But yeah thanks for being here guys. Andrew where are you at right now. Looks like you're in a hotel or your house or.

What is that. I tried to get a do a little getaway. I am in New York City so I'm like one block from Rockefeller Center so we've been walking by the tree taking photos and watching tons of tourists annoy me even though I'm technically a tourist here but I'm too much of a New Yorker to know.

I've left.

Right how about you Cory coming in from just outside Charlotte. I'm at home. We are. We are traveling over to Greensboro. My wife has a sister in Greensboro so we'll go Christmas morning over to Greensboro but tomorrow we'll go down to my family's house which is about 40 minutes from here just on the other side of Charlotte.

We're on the north side my mom lives on the east side and so yeah. Well it is. It is temperate it. I'm from Indiana originally so this isn't cold. What is it down there. What's the what's the temperature.

It was in the low 40s.

Today but I mean I was used to yeah it's it's 19 right now here. Yeah. And I did post the picture and Parker responded to it. I went to I went to Bryan Park and they had a fountain that was freezing over.

It was actually a cool picture huh. It's a cool picture. It was a cool picture. Yeah my wife wanted and I just. I asked the question of since I'm traveling and I can't get into my cold plunge I was. I was taking a poll to see who who thought I should just strip off some layers and dive in and just watch everyone's face and I just sit and enjoy.

Like Andrew Rappaport at it again. Yeah all right so we know what you're gonna.

Get canceled for this year running around half-naked in a cold plunge in.

Front of the public. Oh that's true that's the Andrew Rappaport version of.

Florida man. Yeah yeah the Florida man. We just google a date and then Florida man and right. And then something comes up and something crazy they're doing. I think Davis has represented a half of Florida.

Maybe. I think I don't know. All right. So let's get started here. Who's got something that you know. Andrew. I know you're your trouble. Well here's the reason why I asked you guys all on here too. Because you're kind of troublemakers in your own sense.

Meaning you speak your mind you speak the truth no matter what others are gonna think about you or say. So I just wanted to wanted you guys to look back on the year and maybe we talk about some things that need either need to be discussed or things that need to be said that most people either don't want to talk about or ignore or get really upset for no reason.

Just because the truth sometimes upset. So I have any takers on who's got a subject for me first. I'll go first. Greg. All right. Let's.

Go Davis all right. So I to kind of to the fit together. I was asked if I was if I was nominated for Attorney General as an attorney. If I was nominated for Attorney General of the United States what would be my priority.

What would be the first thing I would do as head of Department of Justice. And my answer is pretty simple. I would just abolish the Department of Justice. That would be what I would want to do is end it.

So that's a. That's a controversial opinion to some in some circles and normally I get isn't it in the Constitution and haven't we always had it. So those are the two questions that I get. So that's a minute.

Okay so so explain that a little bit. So if you were to abolish the Department of Justice what would we lose there. What does the Department of Justice even do.

For those who might not know yeah so well one part of the Department of Justice is the FBI the Federal Bureau of Investigation which is actually a relatively new invention. It's completely not necessary.

It is duplicative of law enforcement in every state and with modern technology and everything else in interstate compacts there's absolutely no reason to have a separate independent federal law enforcement agency.

So that's the big thing the Department of Justice does is run the FBI and then runs the prosecutions that happen from the FBI. So if you eliminate the FBI there's no need to have the Department of Justice to prosecute federal crimes.

Not necessary. And then you flip to what else does the Department of Justice do. Typically when you look at it it acts in some respects although not totally as like a law firm for the federal government.

So they get involved in litigation on behalf of the federal government and much of it is unnecessary. It's duplicative of other agencies or it's counter to the Constitution to the interests of the American people or to the interests of states.

So if you have you know states suing the federal government or disputes between the states and the federal government the Department of Justice is intervening. So that's a very simple way to look at it but absolutely not necessary.

Nor does it fit with the original concepts that our founders had as far as a federal system. Well in Davis you know how do a lot of folks don't even know that. You know unfortunately thanks to George W Bush the FBI actually changed its mission.

It used to be law enforcement which means as law enforcement they can investigate things but there's a time limit. Once investigation is done they have to close files under. You know basically what happened after 9 -11 is George W Bush made a change with the FBI and they're now an investigation agency and therefore they do not have to close files.

They can. They can. You know decide. Greg Moore we want to check you out and they can leave a file open forever and just keep adding to it and adding to it. That makes a radical difference in the FBI and its function.

So it's one thing that I'm hoping I agree with you Davis I at a minimum we need to restructure it and make it back it at a minimum to a.

Law enforcement agency. Yeah I would just say I'm a white straight male who believes in the Second Amendment Constitution and I'm a Christian so I'm on some pair of watch lists already guys so I know because I put you on that list.

When that was. That was me though. Cody with the D. Even though I've been called Cory I don't know how many times in my life. Davis. I'm intrigued by this. How thin would the federal government prosecute federal crimes then.

Well most.

Better go away as well. It goes away and and mostly it's unnecessary and repetitive. So so the a lot of the criminal a lot of the criminal justification for the FBI is think like Bonnie and Clyde right.

And again this is a way an oversimplification. But it was this idea that bank robbers they would rob a bank and then they would cross state lines and they would just avoid prosecution because they would get out of the jurisdiction.

Today we have interstate compact so states can make agreements with each other and say hey if somebody commits a crime in Indiana and and they're found in Michigan Michigan can extradite them back to Indiana.

So especially with modern technology and everything else the FBI is not there. The only other thing the FBI when you think about it when you talk about United States soil is okay. Who's gonna prosecute crimes on federal land.

So a crime occurs on federal land. Well guess what unless we're talking about a US territory that's also within a state so if the federal land is you know Yellowstone and it's within the state of Wyoming guess what you can have and many a lot of federal land a lot of military installations have concurrent jurisdiction with the state so the state could prosecute crimes that occur and so again the FBI the federal criminal investigation for the most part there's a few limits to this that get complicated but generally speaking it's duplicative and not necessary because.

The states could do it interesting so let's see. It's kind of similar to what's the guy's name who just shot the United Healthcare CEO. Luigi is it Mangione. Yeah. Where where you. You have a little bit of a turf war going on between New York and the feds.

Right of who wants to try. But it's not just there. It's not just there.

Cody right now there's a turf war going on in Florida where Florida is trying to investigate the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life and right right blocking things because they're the federal government and so they're you know they're not allowing for an investigation.

I'll tell you a fun.

Relationship that just happened recently with me at the county level with both state and federal agencies. We were a bellwether County for a lawsuit against a major pharmaceutical company and essentially sued them.

We had national attorneys represent our county and about 15 other counties jumped in between three states in the Midwest about halfway through. When they saw that was going very well for us. In the ninth hour about a month before rendering judgment the state attorney in Michigan jumped in and said hey we want to be part of this.

And the federal justice system jumped in and said yeah we should be part of this too. And by the way we get 50 of your winnings and the state said well we get 50 of that 50 and essentially we won a 72 million dollar lawsuit that would have went to 16 counties but instead that was reduced to about 18 million dollars because a month before we won the case as a bellwether County the feds came in and the state came in and said yeah we want a little case we want to wet our beak so no help in in the court systems no help with the laws.

Just at the very last hour said yeah we'll take 50 60 million and divvy it up between ourselves. So that's the duplicity of levels of government for you and that and that's a struggle anyway. I know I'm into revenue sharing there but that's a struggle anyway between local state and federal.

But I think I understand what Davis is saying too. Is that that like dual you know what I mean they're both doing the same thing states can do. That's how the country was supposedly found. Every state is its own little country right.

And there's very limited things that the federal government should be doing outside of protecting borders and things like that. Anything interstate now can be done with compacts like Davis is saying that's a good one but you'll get a lot of people that will look at you crazy.

Davis if you say I want to eliminate the Department of.

Justice like oh you're an anarchist so Davis I want to go further and say you know because Department of Justice all these things are put under the homeland security which doesn't actually protect our homeland because a lot of folks don't know what they're actually doing is investigating American citizens.

That's not an issue right. And they're actually 14th Amendment they're not supposed to be able to do things like that but so I think you're not going far.

Enough. Davis let's go. Andrew you mentioned the Bush years. I mean that the Patriot Act had such wide sweeping you know such broad powers that were given to it you know all in the name of well we're doing this to keep you safe.

And for the average you know sheeple out there it's well. If you say it's to keep me safe then you know by golly I'll just kick all of my rights to the curb. We saw that again in kovat. Of course but I'm talking about getting canceled.

Let's get us let's get the whole thing kicked off tonight. Talk about COVID and vaccines and all that garbage. They'll just deplatform the whole thing. That's okay.

I'm not making any money off this one. John what's going on John. Route just joined us. How are you sir. Pretty good. Take that mic up just about. I don't know. 10 15 If you can if not talk close to the mic so we can hear you.

So yeah. So we're just talking about things that own. Dale. Partridge is back on Dale. How are you sir. Maybe you can't hear me. I don't know but if you can't hear me Dale we.

Are talking about Dale is trying to speak. Dale your mics we're not hearing.

You okay. Yeah we're not hearing Dale but John and Dale just jumped on. Guys I'll bring you up to speed. We are talking about things opinions whether theologically culturally politically that have put you on the island of misfit toys with your friends family loved ones co-workers.

Davis just went first. He brought up if he were the Attorney General he would abolish the Justice Department Department of Justice and we were just talking about that for the last 10 or 15 minutes. Any newcomers or anyone else got something.

They want to throw out there to discuss all. As I'm gonna say is I have an extended family member who works for the Department of Justice and I can't wait to run this by her tomorrow with Christmas happenings.

Oh you're that guy.

We know who's getting canceled for Christmas right. You guys hear me now oh.

Yeah. Oh yeah. There we go. Sweet cool. Not. I've got one familial Lee and I've got one ecumenically so I'll give you both familial Lee. I am the only Presbyterian in a staunchly Baptist family you know.

Like data. What's holding you back Dale. No no. This is Cory and you know this. So I'm the only Presbyterian so my my parents my dad before he passed my mom have not seen any of their grandkids baptized.

They would not come just on principle. And and and. Yeah. And I'm the only post mill guy so so that that kind of keeps me at odds with most of my family ecumenically. I'm seeking ordination in the PCA and I've got a lot of friends in Moscow so you know as a guy with with friends in Moscow that that keeps me somewhat the doghouse ecumenically now.

You got people throwing darts at you from all all sides. Yeah. Well I'm a big I'm a pretty good sized target so some of them at some point will hit me. No. I love you Cory. No wonder.

The beer mugs so big. Yeah I was gonna say if you stop drinking all that beer.

You might not be as big of a target just saying no yeah that'll get you. Uh you know I come from a non-denominational charismatic leaning outer family. So for them I tell people for eight or nine years I was a closeted Calvinist meaning I understood the doctrines of grace.

I believed it. But I was still I was brought up like those guys are weird. They're not even really believers so I didn't even really talk about it or tell anyone about it. And it was really weird when you're trying to explain things to your parents who brought you up in the faith and going.

Yeah. But I think we disagree on some some core theological and doctrinal things. So I definitely get the Presbyterian and in Baptist thing which honestly I didn't even know. You know I was Davis is back.

I was in my late 20s before I really truly understood the differences in denominations. I just kind of thought everyone was non-denominational Baptist. Like you know Dale what do you got for us now. You got something I have to say about once a week with Dale Partridge.

He did it. He did an episode with us about head coverings. I don't know it has to be now a year and a half ago when his book came out maybe two years ago. Even in once a week I get a comment or a text.

Because you can text us on our show where people have gone back listen to that and they're asking me questions and I go hey man you gotta go you gotta go talk to Dale. It's his book but it's still that popular both on YouTube and on our audio probably one of our best-performing ones.

So I know right. That's one of the reasons I wanted Dale to come on because he you know he's not afraid to talk about things people don't want to talk about. But Dale you got anything that's put you on the island of misfit toys.

Hey Claude's on. Let's go.

Oh my gosh. Claude brought a gun already brandishing weapons I would for Dale.

Partridge he's like one guy's drinking beer the other guy has guns. What kind of.

Live stream did I get myself. I would have shown my guns except I'm in New.

York City and you're wearing short sleeves. Your guns are already showing.

Brother yeah so I guess going back on your question there I mean yeah you know for us we've done probably 200 episodes of real Christianity over the last several years maybe more and the head coverings episode is still number one.

It was from like year one five six years ago or something crazy and so it becomes this I think there's a massive resurgence around head coverings and you know I think that it's probably coming from just a desire to have more traditionalism.

Not necessarily that they have an exegetical understanding of that particular passage but you know my book a cover for glory has been selling without marketing you know a hundred copies a month just going right and so it's been really cool.

You know I never really intended it to be that popular of a book. It was really just a biblical defense for it. But certainly it's kind of come up more and more. You know I think right now my thing you guys probably seen this is that you know everybody's trying to fight for some sort of traditionalism and I think the missing gap right now is high church Protestantism or at least higher church Protestantism because you know I grew up like you guys you know some of you guys you know like Calvary Chapel kind of churchy entity mid-zone kind of Southern California Baptist life non-denom and you know we've shifted over you know we're applying we're a year into the application process of the CREC and so we have you know we're kneeling we're liturgical we're family or family integrated we're commuting every week we're hymns we're singing psalms work you know and I think we're you know we're wearing suits.

I actually just made the decision after you know maybe a year of debate of starting to wear a collar a cleric collar. I'm not wearing one now but it's one of those things that we're I think there's a group of reform them that is continuing to push a little bit more traditional and I think it's good because we're losing people.

We're bleeding people into Rome or into EO and I think that more people are looking for kind of a more historic classical reformed world that that actually has you know the doctrines of grace it actually has you know the historic confessions and doesn't have to go into kind of the the errors of Rome or EO so that's what I'm seeing right now that's been kind of my my discussion with most of our church family and and you know and then yeah I'm constantly fighting feminism.

That's my that's my main enemy.

Right now and for folks who may not pick up EO stands for Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yeah yeah yeah. So even on Linedale too. I and for these guys that are on here you go back on your feed and it's like crazy feminists just coming after you. When the funny thing is is I probably know more women that support coverings than men that are believers in in.

In my sphere yeah even a lot of women leading in that which really interested me a couple years ago when you were on the podcast because I went what's going on to where. If this is a biblical issue the men should be looking into it.

Yet the women within churches godly submissive wives that are also wise and want to honor God are kind of leading the way on this. And I was wondering if that was backwards. But yeah you get a lot of push.

I mean now that'll put you on the island of mr. toys for sure. You get all kinds of push.

Back on that online. Yeah you know. And people always accuse me of it being you know this crazy misogyny I have. I've never even taught about head coverings at my church. Art we've been planted for over a year.

I've never talked about it once. So it's not. I'm not like this guy. That's like you gotta cover your head. You know what the women walk in. There's the box of HUD coverings. That's not. That's not us at all but.

But yeah that's my main enemy right now is is I am focused heavily. You know the the reformed kind of X. You know battles have been going on. I kind of purposefully checked out of that and just wanted to say hey let's let's try to get back to business and fighting the you know the gays and and you know all the other things that the trans.

Because before you.

Jump before you guys jumped on. Claude I'll get to you in a minute. Davis there said he's gonna eliminate the Department of Justice so that'd be perfect we wouldn't have the FBI to worry about if we fight the case.

Oh my goodness. Hey it's the happy Calvinist Claude Ramsey. Haven't talked to you in a while brother but I'm looking forward to seeing you in February. Same with Andrew.

As well too. What's going on down there. Just moving along. Yeah no church. Andrew.

Plug your ears. Claude is my favorite Baptist. Yeah for those of you who haven't ever tuned in to Claude's podcast if you're watching on the livestream right now here I stand. Theology. Claude is probably one of my favorite preachers as well too.

Man when he preaches you feel God's Word moving because I've been fortunate enough to be in a couple of the pews of his sermons. But Claude what opinion have you had in the last year that might have thrown you on the island of misfit toys.

What's something that you stand. And here I stand is the name of your podcast. So where do you stand firm on. That gets you in trouble. Maybe with friends family. The feminists the secularists the leftist.

And you go. I'm not moving away from this point. You got anything for us. It's easy. I can sum it up in two words. Okay I think. Aren't my boys gonna be seeing you.

In a bowl here pretty soon. Yeah you might have to do a live stream on that. That would be fun. That would be fun. And probably I would say something else. It maybe puts me on a kind of a set apart a little bit.

Stand up stand up stand office just a little bit. Is that I that I do strive to be happy in the Lord which you don't you know it seems like amongst reform folks anymore particularly the last year there's so much in fighting.

You know I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. We just need to smile and pretend like stuff ain't happening. But I mean there's times just to be silent like the Lord you know when he stood before Pilate.

Sometimes there's no need to give an answer. So so are you.

Trying to say that you're trying to you know claim that you're not only the happy Calvinist but the nice one and not Keith Foskey. Is that what you're saying.

I'm saying Keith by virtue of Hans Feeney is Calvinist. Yeah there's.

Something to be said about that. Claude I've been noticing you know one of my favorite parables is the parable of the debtor and it's really when I wake up every morning I think I've literally thought about that probably not at probably 99 of the time.

Almost every morning I think about that and I go wow how can I not be grateful to God from what he saved me from. And then I have to pass that type of grace on to other people when I interact with them and there's just been not a whole lot of grace going around even between.

Believers and brothers you know that's correct that's correct. And and to be honest I mean I know this is a live stream I know it's on eggs I know it's on YouTube and yes we all you know see we all have platforms there and all that but I think it's I think it would be wise for Christian men and let me just be blunt here just to shut up put their nose in the Bible get God in prayer and get away from worrying about trying to be a famous public figure and just be.

Believer for a little while. Claude I don't like what you say. I'm canceling.

You just yesterday I put on I put on Twitter. I was actually shocked. I'm sure that somebody else has posted this passage of scripture but for some reason I just had not seen it. It's first Peter 3 8 through 9.

It says to sum up all of you be harmonious sympathetic brotherly kind-hearted and humble in spirit not returning evil for evil or insult for insult but giving a blessing instead. I'm actually teaching on this yesterday.

I preached on Romans 12 13 which is you know bless and do not curse and I had to preach on that particular passage as well. That was kind of my cross-reference verse but it made me really think about everything that was going on and I thought wow like this is the passage I was preaching about was about our persecutors that are outside of the church.

We're not even doing this that. Well in the church. Yeah with one another. And so it was. It was just one of those verses that I thought we need to throw this verse out every day for the next couple months.

To kind of cool things off.

A bit and in Ephesians 432 again everything ever see everything we're seeing in the New Testament is aimed at the church it's aimed at believers. So in Ephesians 432 when Paul reminds them be kind your hearted forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you.

I mean we've got to have.

That in our mind. Yeah people understand the teachings of Paul. And you look at Paul. And in Philippians. What does he say. He's he says there's people who are bad mouthing him slandering him saying falsehoods about him.

What does he say. He's gonna rejoice. Because the gospel going forth. In fact what he says later in the book is. He talks about the fact that these false teachers that he's been warning them about. Let's see if some of the people on social media are doing this.

In the discernment ministries he says he was warning about them with tears. Yes you don't see that in much of the sermon ministries. I'm dealing with someone right now who is just looking for the next person to go after they're.

They're like lethal when they find someone. Oh we can like expose this person. That's all he had to call out. Also he had a really good idea of what.

It meant to represent and reflect the body of Christ. And what that meant publicly you know I think we would all do well to to remember that. And just a reminder to everyone. This is going on from 7 to 9.

If you guys need to jump off or go do something or can't stay on the whole time we totally understand. We got people coming and going the whole time but I just saw John Root male model extraordinaire freshly married I think engaged or married now.

The naughty list.

There. And a new baby. Boys. Did I see that the announcement. A baby boy. Yeah baby.

Boy coming. Sorry that my stream and audio is awful. I guess my computer decided to pretty much stop working. I might have gotten a little frustrated so hopefully I didn't say anything I shouldn't say.

If I did I apologize. No.

You're all good and one of the reasons why I wanted you to jump on and talk about this is because when I watch your Twitter X stream it is a perfect miss mix of like standing for righteousness. But then also there's always something sports related going on since you were connected to ESPN and you're in that world and all that stuff.

And you will literally just say the most hard-lined truthful this is biblical and somehow it gets related to sports. I go I would have never made that connection but you make it so perfectly. Has there been anything this year where you've just gotten grief from where you just went said hey this is where it is here I stand this is it and people went oh you're this you're that.

You're a horrible person. Anything that comes to mind. Um honestly there's.

So much of that stuff that happens that I don't know I just I forget it. But something I would love people to understand is for me I worked in sports because I mean originally I worked in sports because it was an outlet away from politics.

It was probably the only outlet that could bring people together better than anything else that our country could provide. And obviously we saw what happened in 2020. I love talking about sports and I love seeing athletes that proudly proclaim Christ.

So there's people's like CJ Stroud yeah Brock Hurdy a couple quarterbacks in the NFL. There's even a running back for Ohio State that scored a touchdown in the first game of the college football playoff and he did Jesus loves you in sign language like these are the kind of things that need to be promoted.

Shout out to my boy Spencer Danielson he's the head coach of Boise State. I think they're gonna get the upset win in the Fiesta Bowl over Penn State. That's my hot take. But Spencer and I play Pacific together and I mean he was talking to Mike Krzyzewski the other day and he's got you know you know Jesus displayed on the background of his video.

I mean there's a lot of really great stuff happening in sports. There's a lot of nonsense that happens in sports but hopefully people can realize it's an outlet where Christ is really being proclaimed and there's a reason that stuff is going viral online.

People love it they desire it. And I mean I hate I don't want to use the term revival lightly. I feel like that's thrown out especially in charismatic circles started throw them under the bus like way too much.

I think we need to care about you know what Jonathan Edwards had to say about revival and that definition of it. But there seems to be if I use that term lack of a better term revival that we see in sports.

There's a lot of really great Christian leaders and I think people love to see it. Yeah it's so.

Crazy that you're seeing this resurgence. My son's 10 he's into football plays football so now I have to be really into football and having stats memorized or look him up on the phone. He's always asking me right.

He knows every player. Just like when I was a kid in the 80s growing up I knew every player in baseball but he was. He said something that really threw me. He goes wow dad it's so cool that you know is like most of the NFL Christian because in his his world he's a CJ Stroud Ohio State fan.

Breaks my heart. I'm a Michigan fan live in Michigan but either way I did something wrong there. But in his in his ten-year-old mind he's thinking you've got to a you know leading prayer groups and CJ Stroud and all these guys doing these things and it's so visible.

And there's such a resurgence. Like have any of you guys notice that too in sports like what do you think that is. I mean is that a move of God within sports to where now it's so public people are latching on to there's even things of them you know some players I can't remember who was but there's players within the teams that are like witnessing to the other players like hey maybe not.

Go out to that club tonight or when we're on the road like they're changing the culture of their locker room because of how they're reflecting Christ which I think is awesome. Haven't you got. Have any of you guys experience.

That or saw that as sports lovers. Yeah I have I've just seen this even in the UFC even in skateboarding. I mean it is it is certainly some sort of you know as John said some sort of revival at some degree you know my biggest fear is like is it is it just empty you know churchy entity like what is their substance behind it.

Right. Do they actually know like a bad news good news gospel. Are those conversations happening behind closed doors. Certainly they are at some degree you know but a lot of these people will say something and you go.