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Guys welcome to the live stream here with Parker Brown from watch well.
Podcast came in studio. What's up brother. How's it going man. Pretty good. Got a.
Shout out Cody Fields for the opening song there he turned me on to some bad religion Christmas album and I've just been playing it non-stop for the last.
Two weeks. What's going on. Fellas. How you doing out there. It is ironically so good. Yes sir yes sir you're welcome to that song man. Yeah. No problem. Listen. We're.
Doing a Christmas special live stream from 7 p .m. to 9 p .m. We've got people coming and going all two hours stopping in and we're talking about what might put you on the island of misfit toys an opinion that might have gotten you kicked out of Christmas dinner might have gotten you a lump of coal in your stocking.
It can be theological it can be political it can be cultural but we're just gonna chop it up and talk about it. And right now on the live stream obviously here with Parker Brown from watch. Well I have Andrew Rappaport from striving for eternity ministries.
Cody Fields from Westminster. Is it Westminster. Doxology effects. No one's missed. What's the podcast. Money.
Westminster effects and the Westminster effects doxology podcast. There we go.
Love it. We have Davis Young's he's constitutional attorney worked on some big cases. You've seen him on Fox News other places and then Cory from civically-minded down there in the corner and like I said we'll have people popping in all evening but so what's up what's up guys are you guys ready for.
Christmas here here man. I'm in your neck of the woods. I'm in Michigan so we travel up to see my wife's family every year for about ten days so everybody else heads south to warmer places but we head to beautiful Michigan.
For man we.
Should have had Davis in here. We got another chair. Come on down. We got the mugs full the heats going we're ready to go. But yeah thanks for being here guys. Andrew where are you at right now. Looks like you're in a hotel or your house or.
What is that. I tried to get a do a little getaway. I am in New York City so I'm like one block from Rockefeller Center so we've been walking by the tree taking photos and watching tons of tourists annoy me even though I'm technically a tourist here but I'm too much of a New Yorker to know.
I've left.
Right how about you Cory coming in from just outside Charlotte. I'm at home. We are. We are traveling over to Greensboro. My wife has a sister in Greensboro so we'll go Christmas morning over to Greensboro but tomorrow we'll go down to my family's house which is about 40 minutes from here just on the other side of Charlotte.
We're on the north side my mom lives on the east side and so yeah. Well it is. It is temperate it. I'm from Indiana originally so this isn't cold. What is it down there. What's the what's the temperature.
It was in the low 40s.
Today but I mean I was used to yeah it's it's 19 right now here. Yeah. And I did post the picture and Parker responded to it. I went to I went to Bryan Park and they had a fountain that was freezing over.
It was actually a cool picture huh. It's a cool picture. It was a cool picture. Yeah my wife wanted and I just. I asked the question of since I'm traveling and I can't get into my cold plunge I was. I was taking a poll to see who who thought I should just strip off some layers and dive in and just watch everyone's face and I just sit and enjoy.
Like Andrew Rappaport at it again. Yeah all right so we know what you're gonna.
Get canceled for this year running around half-naked in a cold plunge in.
Front of the public. Oh that's true that's the Andrew Rappaport version of.
Florida man. Yeah yeah the Florida man. We just google a date and then Florida man and right. And then something comes up and something crazy they're doing. I think Davis has represented a half of Florida.
Maybe. I think I don't know. All right. So let's get started here. Who's got something that you know. Andrew. I know you're your trouble. Well here's the reason why I asked you guys all on here too. Because you're kind of troublemakers in your own sense.
Meaning you speak your mind you speak the truth no matter what others are gonna think about you or say. So I just wanted to wanted you guys to look back on the year and maybe we talk about some things that need either need to be discussed or things that need to be said that most people either don't want to talk about or ignore or get really upset for no reason.
Just because the truth sometimes upset. So I have any takers on who's got a subject for me first. I'll go first. Greg. All right. Let's.
Go Davis all right. So I to kind of to the fit together. I was asked if I was if I was nominated for Attorney General as an attorney. If I was nominated for Attorney General of the United States what would be my priority.
What would be the first thing I would do as head of Department of Justice. And my answer is pretty simple. I would just abolish the Department of Justice. That would be what I would want to do is end it.
So that's a. That's a controversial opinion to some in some circles and normally I get isn't it in the Constitution and haven't we always had it. So those are the two questions that I get. So that's a minute.
Okay so so explain that a little bit. So if you were to abolish the Department of Justice what would we lose there. What does the Department of Justice even do.
For those who might not know yeah so well one part of the Department of Justice is the FBI the Federal Bureau of Investigation which is actually a relatively new invention. It's completely not necessary.
It is duplicative of law enforcement in every state and with modern technology and everything else in interstate compacts there's absolutely no reason to have a separate independent federal law enforcement agency.
So that's the big thing the Department of Justice does is run the FBI and then runs the prosecutions that happen from the FBI. So if you eliminate the FBI there's no need to have the Department of Justice to prosecute federal crimes.
Not necessary. And then you flip to what else does the Department of Justice do. Typically when you look at it it acts in some respects although not totally as like a law firm for the federal government.
So they get involved in litigation on behalf of the federal government and much of it is unnecessary. It's duplicative of other agencies or it's counter to the Constitution to the interests of the American people or to the interests of states.
So if you have you know states suing the federal government or disputes between the states and the federal government the Department of Justice is intervening. So that's a very simple way to look at it but absolutely not necessary.
Nor does it fit with the original concepts that our founders had as far as a federal system. Well in Davis you know how do a lot of folks don't even know that. You know unfortunately thanks to George W Bush the FBI actually changed its mission.
It used to be law enforcement which means as law enforcement they can investigate things but there's a time limit. Once investigation is done they have to close files under. You know basically what happened after 9 -11 is George W Bush made a change with the FBI and they're now an investigation agency and therefore they do not have to close files.
They can. They can. You know decide. Greg Moore we want to check you out and they can leave a file open forever and just keep adding to it and adding to it. That makes a radical difference in the FBI and its function.
So it's one thing that I'm hoping I agree with you Davis I at a minimum we need to restructure it and make it back it at a minimum to a.
Law enforcement agency. Yeah I would just say I'm a white straight male who believes in the Second Amendment Constitution and I'm a Christian so I'm on some pair of watch lists already guys so I know because I put you on that list.
When that was. That was me though. Cody with the D. Even though I've been called Cory I don't know how many times in my life. Davis. I'm intrigued by this. How thin would the federal government prosecute federal crimes then.
Well most.
Better go away as well. It goes away and and mostly it's unnecessary and repetitive. So so the a lot of the criminal a lot of the criminal justification for the FBI is think like Bonnie and Clyde right.
And again this is a way an oversimplification. But it was this idea that bank robbers they would rob a bank and then they would cross state lines and they would just avoid prosecution because they would get out of the jurisdiction.
Today we have interstate compact so states can make agreements with each other and say hey if somebody commits a crime in Indiana and and they're found in Michigan Michigan can extradite them back to Indiana.
So especially with modern technology and everything else the FBI is not there. The only other thing the FBI when you think about it when you talk about United States soil is okay. Who's gonna prosecute crimes on federal land.
So a crime occurs on federal land. Well guess what unless we're talking about a US territory that's also within a state so if the federal land is you know Yellowstone and it's within the state of Wyoming guess what you can have and many a lot of federal land a lot of military installations have concurrent jurisdiction with the state so the state could prosecute crimes that occur and so again the FBI the federal criminal investigation for the most part there's a few limits to this that get complicated but generally speaking it's duplicative and not necessary because.
The states could do it interesting so let's see. It's kind of similar to what's the guy's name who just shot the United Healthcare CEO. Luigi is it Mangione. Yeah. Where where you. You have a little bit of a turf war going on between New York and the feds.
Right of who wants to try. But it's not just there. It's not just there.
Cody right now there's a turf war going on in Florida where Florida is trying to investigate the assassination attempt on Donald Trump's life and right right blocking things because they're the federal government and so they're you know they're not allowing for an investigation.
I'll tell you a fun.
Relationship that just happened recently with me at the county level with both state and federal agencies. We were a bellwether County for a lawsuit against a major pharmaceutical company and essentially sued them.
We had national attorneys represent our county and about 15 other counties jumped in between three states in the Midwest about halfway through. When they saw that was going very well for us. In the ninth hour about a month before rendering judgment the state attorney in Michigan jumped in and said hey we want to be part of this.
And the federal justice system jumped in and said yeah we should be part of this too. And by the way we get 50 of your winnings and the state said well we get 50 of that 50 and essentially we won a 72 million dollar lawsuit that would have went to 16 counties but instead that was reduced to about 18 million dollars because a month before we won the case as a bellwether County the feds came in and the state came in and said yeah we want a little case we want to wet our beak so no help in in the court systems no help with the laws.
Just at the very last hour said yeah we'll take 50 60 million and divvy it up between ourselves. So that's the duplicity of levels of government for you and that and that's a struggle anyway. I know I'm into revenue sharing there but that's a struggle anyway between local state and federal.
But I think I understand what Davis is saying too. Is that that like dual you know what I mean they're both doing the same thing states can do. That's how the country was supposedly found. Every state is its own little country right.
And there's very limited things that the federal government should be doing outside of protecting borders and things like that. Anything interstate now can be done with compacts like Davis is saying that's a good one but you'll get a lot of people that will look at you crazy.
Davis if you say I want to eliminate the Department of.
Justice like oh you're an anarchist so Davis I want to go further and say you know because Department of Justice all these things are put under the homeland security which doesn't actually protect our homeland because a lot of folks don't know what they're actually doing is investigating American citizens.
That's not an issue right. And they're actually 14th Amendment they're not supposed to be able to do things like that but so I think you're not going far.
Enough. Davis let's go. Andrew you mentioned the Bush years. I mean that the Patriot Act had such wide sweeping you know such broad powers that were given to it you know all in the name of well we're doing this to keep you safe.
And for the average you know sheeple out there it's well. If you say it's to keep me safe then you know by golly I'll just kick all of my rights to the curb. We saw that again in kovat. Of course but I'm talking about getting canceled.
Let's get us let's get the whole thing kicked off tonight. Talk about COVID and vaccines and all that garbage. They'll just deplatform the whole thing. That's okay.
I'm not making any money off this one. John what's going on John. Route just joined us. How are you sir. Pretty good. Take that mic up just about. I don't know. 10 15 If you can if not talk close to the mic so we can hear you.
So yeah. So we're just talking about things that own. Dale. Partridge is back on Dale. How are you sir. Maybe you can't hear me. I don't know but if you can't hear me Dale we.
Are talking about Dale is trying to speak. Dale your mics we're not hearing.
You okay. Yeah we're not hearing Dale but John and Dale just jumped on. Guys I'll bring you up to speed. We are talking about things opinions whether theologically culturally politically that have put you on the island of misfit toys with your friends family loved ones co-workers.
Davis just went first. He brought up if he were the Attorney General he would abolish the Justice Department Department of Justice and we were just talking about that for the last 10 or 15 minutes. Any newcomers or anyone else got something.
They want to throw out there to discuss all. As I'm gonna say is I have an extended family member who works for the Department of Justice and I can't wait to run this by her tomorrow with Christmas happenings.
Oh you're that guy.
We know who's getting canceled for Christmas right. You guys hear me now oh.
Yeah. Oh yeah. There we go. Sweet cool. Not. I've got one familial Lee and I've got one ecumenically so I'll give you both familial Lee. I am the only Presbyterian in a staunchly Baptist family you know.
Like data. What's holding you back Dale. No no. This is Cory and you know this. So I'm the only Presbyterian so my my parents my dad before he passed my mom have not seen any of their grandkids baptized.
They would not come just on principle. And and and. Yeah. And I'm the only post mill guy so so that that kind of keeps me at odds with most of my family ecumenically. I'm seeking ordination in the PCA and I've got a lot of friends in Moscow so you know as a guy with with friends in Moscow that that keeps me somewhat the doghouse ecumenically now.
You got people throwing darts at you from all all sides. Yeah. Well I'm a big I'm a pretty good sized target so some of them at some point will hit me. No. I love you Cory. No wonder.
The beer mugs so big. Yeah I was gonna say if you stop drinking all that beer.
You might not be as big of a target just saying no yeah that'll get you. Uh you know I come from a non-denominational charismatic leaning outer family. So for them I tell people for eight or nine years I was a closeted Calvinist meaning I understood the doctrines of grace.
I believed it. But I was still I was brought up like those guys are weird. They're not even really believers so I didn't even really talk about it or tell anyone about it. And it was really weird when you're trying to explain things to your parents who brought you up in the faith and going.
Yeah. But I think we disagree on some some core theological and doctrinal things. So I definitely get the Presbyterian and in Baptist thing which honestly I didn't even know. You know I was Davis is back.
I was in my late 20s before I really truly understood the differences in denominations. I just kind of thought everyone was non-denominational Baptist. Like you know Dale what do you got for us now. You got something I have to say about once a week with Dale Partridge.
He did it. He did an episode with us about head coverings. I don't know it has to be now a year and a half ago when his book came out maybe two years ago. Even in once a week I get a comment or a text.
Because you can text us on our show where people have gone back listen to that and they're asking me questions and I go hey man you gotta go you gotta go talk to Dale. It's his book but it's still that popular both on YouTube and on our audio probably one of our best-performing ones.
So I know right. That's one of the reasons I wanted Dale to come on because he you know he's not afraid to talk about things people don't want to talk about. But Dale you got anything that's put you on the island of misfit toys.
Hey Claude's on. Let's go.
Oh my gosh. Claude brought a gun already brandishing weapons I would for Dale.
Partridge he's like one guy's drinking beer the other guy has guns. What kind of.
Live stream did I get myself. I would have shown my guns except I'm in New.
York City and you're wearing short sleeves. Your guns are already showing.
Brother yeah so I guess going back on your question there I mean yeah you know for us we've done probably 200 episodes of real Christianity over the last several years maybe more and the head coverings episode is still number one.
It was from like year one five six years ago or something crazy and so it becomes this I think there's a massive resurgence around head coverings and you know I think that it's probably coming from just a desire to have more traditionalism.
Not necessarily that they have an exegetical understanding of that particular passage but you know my book a cover for glory has been selling without marketing you know a hundred copies a month just going right and so it's been really cool.
You know I never really intended it to be that popular of a book. It was really just a biblical defense for it. But certainly it's kind of come up more and more. You know I think right now my thing you guys probably seen this is that you know everybody's trying to fight for some sort of traditionalism and I think the missing gap right now is high church Protestantism or at least higher church Protestantism because you know I grew up like you guys you know some of you guys you know like Calvary Chapel kind of churchy entity mid-zone kind of Southern California Baptist life non-denom and you know we've shifted over you know we're applying we're a year into the application process of the CREC and so we have you know we're kneeling we're liturgical we're family or family integrated we're commuting every week we're hymns we're singing psalms work you know and I think we're you know we're wearing suits.
I actually just made the decision after you know maybe a year of debate of starting to wear a collar a cleric collar. I'm not wearing one now but it's one of those things that we're I think there's a group of reform them that is continuing to push a little bit more traditional and I think it's good because we're losing people.
We're bleeding people into Rome or into EO and I think that more people are looking for kind of a more historic classical reformed world that that actually has you know the doctrines of grace it actually has you know the historic confessions and doesn't have to go into kind of the the errors of Rome or EO so that's what I'm seeing right now that's been kind of my my discussion with most of our church family and and you know and then yeah I'm constantly fighting feminism.
That's my that's my main enemy.
Right now and for folks who may not pick up EO stands for Eastern Orthodoxy.
Yeah yeah yeah. So even on Linedale too. I and for these guys that are on here you go back on your feed and it's like crazy feminists just coming after you. When the funny thing is is I probably know more women that support coverings than men that are believers in in.
In my sphere yeah even a lot of women leading in that which really interested me a couple years ago when you were on the podcast because I went what's going on to where. If this is a biblical issue the men should be looking into it.
Yet the women within churches godly submissive wives that are also wise and want to honor God are kind of leading the way on this. And I was wondering if that was backwards. But yeah you get a lot of push.
I mean now that'll put you on the island of mr. toys for sure. You get all kinds of push.
Back on that online. Yeah you know. And people always accuse me of it being you know this crazy misogyny I have. I've never even taught about head coverings at my church. Art we've been planted for over a year.
I've never talked about it once. So it's not. I'm not like this guy. That's like you gotta cover your head. You know what the women walk in. There's the box of HUD coverings. That's not. That's not us at all but.
But yeah that's my main enemy right now is is I am focused heavily. You know the the reformed kind of X. You know battles have been going on. I kind of purposefully checked out of that and just wanted to say hey let's let's try to get back to business and fighting the you know the gays and and you know all the other things that the trans.
Because before you.
Jump before you guys jumped on. Claude I'll get to you in a minute. Davis there said he's gonna eliminate the Department of Justice so that'd be perfect we wouldn't have the FBI to worry about if we fight the case.
Oh my goodness. Hey it's the happy Calvinist Claude Ramsey. Haven't talked to you in a while brother but I'm looking forward to seeing you in February. Same with Andrew.
As well too. What's going on down there. Just moving along. Yeah no church. Andrew.
Plug your ears. Claude is my favorite Baptist. Yeah for those of you who haven't ever tuned in to Claude's podcast if you're watching on the livestream right now here I stand. Theology. Claude is probably one of my favorite preachers as well too.
Man when he preaches you feel God's Word moving because I've been fortunate enough to be in a couple of the pews of his sermons. But Claude what opinion have you had in the last year that might have thrown you on the island of misfit toys.
What's something that you stand. And here I stand is the name of your podcast. So where do you stand firm on. That gets you in trouble. Maybe with friends family. The feminists the secularists the leftist.
And you go. I'm not moving away from this point. You got anything for us. It's easy. I can sum it up in two words. Okay I think. Aren't my boys gonna be seeing you.
In a bowl here pretty soon. Yeah you might have to do a live stream on that. That would be fun. That would be fun. And probably I would say something else. It maybe puts me on a kind of a set apart a little bit.
Stand up stand up stand office just a little bit. Is that I that I do strive to be happy in the Lord which you don't you know it seems like amongst reform folks anymore particularly the last year there's so much in fighting.
You know I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that. We just need to smile and pretend like stuff ain't happening. But I mean there's times just to be silent like the Lord you know when he stood before Pilate.
Sometimes there's no need to give an answer. So so are you.
Trying to say that you're trying to you know claim that you're not only the happy Calvinist but the nice one and not Keith Foskey. Is that what you're saying.
I'm saying Keith by virtue of Hans Feeney is Calvinist. Yeah there's.
Something to be said about that. Claude I've been noticing you know one of my favorite parables is the parable of the debtor and it's really when I wake up every morning I think I've literally thought about that probably not at probably 99 of the time.
Almost every morning I think about that and I go wow how can I not be grateful to God from what he saved me from. And then I have to pass that type of grace on to other people when I interact with them and there's just been not a whole lot of grace going around even between.
Believers and brothers you know that's correct that's correct. And and to be honest I mean I know this is a live stream I know it's on eggs I know it's on YouTube and yes we all you know see we all have platforms there and all that but I think it's I think it would be wise for Christian men and let me just be blunt here just to shut up put their nose in the Bible get God in prayer and get away from worrying about trying to be a famous public figure and just be.
Believer for a little while. Claude I don't like what you say. I'm canceling.
You just yesterday I put on I put on Twitter. I was actually shocked. I'm sure that somebody else has posted this passage of scripture but for some reason I just had not seen it. It's first Peter 3 8 through 9.
It says to sum up all of you be harmonious sympathetic brotherly kind-hearted and humble in spirit not returning evil for evil or insult for insult but giving a blessing instead. I'm actually teaching on this yesterday.
I preached on Romans 12 13 which is you know bless and do not curse and I had to preach on that particular passage as well. That was kind of my cross-reference verse but it made me really think about everything that was going on and I thought wow like this is the passage I was preaching about was about our persecutors that are outside of the church.
We're not even doing this that. Well in the church. Yeah with one another. And so it was. It was just one of those verses that I thought we need to throw this verse out every day for the next couple months.
To kind of cool things off.
A bit and in Ephesians 432 again everything ever see everything we're seeing in the New Testament is aimed at the church it's aimed at believers. So in Ephesians 432 when Paul reminds them be kind your hearted forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you.
I mean we've got to have.
That in our mind. Yeah people understand the teachings of Paul. And you look at Paul. And in Philippians. What does he say. He's he says there's people who are bad mouthing him slandering him saying falsehoods about him.
What does he say. He's gonna rejoice. Because the gospel going forth. In fact what he says later in the book is. He talks about the fact that these false teachers that he's been warning them about. Let's see if some of the people on social media are doing this.
In the discernment ministries he says he was warning about them with tears. Yes you don't see that in much of the sermon ministries. I'm dealing with someone right now who is just looking for the next person to go after they're.
They're like lethal when they find someone. Oh we can like expose this person. That's all he had to call out. Also he had a really good idea of what.
It meant to represent and reflect the body of Christ. And what that meant publicly you know I think we would all do well to to remember that. And just a reminder to everyone. This is going on from 7 to 9.
If you guys need to jump off or go do something or can't stay on the whole time we totally understand. We got people coming and going the whole time but I just saw John Root male model extraordinaire freshly married I think engaged or married now.
The naughty list.
There. And a new baby. Boys. Did I see that the announcement. A baby boy. Yeah baby.
Boy coming. Sorry that my stream and audio is awful. I guess my computer decided to pretty much stop working. I might have gotten a little frustrated so hopefully I didn't say anything I shouldn't say.
If I did I apologize. No.
You're all good and one of the reasons why I wanted you to jump on and talk about this is because when I watch your Twitter X stream it is a perfect miss mix of like standing for righteousness. But then also there's always something sports related going on since you were connected to ESPN and you're in that world and all that stuff.
And you will literally just say the most hard-lined truthful this is biblical and somehow it gets related to sports. I go I would have never made that connection but you make it so perfectly. Has there been anything this year where you've just gotten grief from where you just went said hey this is where it is here I stand this is it and people went oh you're this you're that.
You're a horrible person. Anything that comes to mind. Um honestly there's.
So much of that stuff that happens that I don't know I just I forget it. But something I would love people to understand is for me I worked in sports because I mean originally I worked in sports because it was an outlet away from politics.
It was probably the only outlet that could bring people together better than anything else that our country could provide. And obviously we saw what happened in 2020. I love talking about sports and I love seeing athletes that proudly proclaim Christ.
So there's people's like CJ Stroud yeah Brock Hurdy a couple quarterbacks in the NFL. There's even a running back for Ohio State that scored a touchdown in the first game of the college football playoff and he did Jesus loves you in sign language like these are the kind of things that need to be promoted.
Shout out to my boy Spencer Danielson he's the head coach of Boise State. I think they're gonna get the upset win in the Fiesta Bowl over Penn State. That's my hot take. But Spencer and I play Pacific together and I mean he was talking to Mike Krzyzewski the other day and he's got you know you know Jesus displayed on the background of his video.
I mean there's a lot of really great stuff happening in sports. There's a lot of nonsense that happens in sports but hopefully people can realize it's an outlet where Christ is really being proclaimed and there's a reason that stuff is going viral online.
People love it they desire it. And I mean I hate I don't want to use the term revival lightly. I feel like that's thrown out especially in charismatic circles started throw them under the bus like way too much.
I think we need to care about you know what Jonathan Edwards had to say about revival and that definition of it. But there seems to be if I use that term lack of a better term revival that we see in sports.
There's a lot of really great Christian leaders and I think people love to see it. Yeah it's so.
Crazy that you're seeing this resurgence. My son's 10 he's into football plays football so now I have to be really into football and having stats memorized or look him up on the phone. He's always asking me right.
He knows every player. Just like when I was a kid in the 80s growing up I knew every player in baseball but he was. He said something that really threw me. He goes wow dad it's so cool that you know is like most of the NFL Christian because in his his world he's a CJ Stroud Ohio State fan.
Breaks my heart. I'm a Michigan fan live in Michigan but either way I did something wrong there. But in his in his ten-year-old mind he's thinking you've got to a you know leading prayer groups and CJ Stroud and all these guys doing these things and it's so visible.
And there's such a resurgence. Like have any of you guys notice that too in sports like what do you think that is. I mean is that a move of God within sports to where now it's so public people are latching on to there's even things of them you know some players I can't remember who was but there's players within the teams that are like witnessing to the other players like hey maybe not.
Go out to that club tonight or when we're on the road like they're changing the culture of their locker room because of how they're reflecting Christ which I think is awesome. Haven't you got. Have any of you guys experience.
That or saw that as sports lovers. Yeah I have I've just seen this even in the UFC even in skateboarding. I mean it is it is certainly some sort of you know as John said some sort of revival at some degree you know my biggest fear is like is it is it just empty you know churchy entity like what is their substance behind it.
Right. Do they actually know like a bad news good news gospel. Are those conversations happening behind closed doors. Certainly they are at some degree you know but a lot of these people will say something and you go.
Okay. What do you mean by that. And also you know the tendency in celebrity world is that just because you're a platform now you should become like the leading theologian to teach everybody about Jesus and that's you know that we saw that dumpster fire of a nightmare happened with the the the worship leaders and you know the in Nashville you know they realized they had really great music but their theology wasn't all that good even though they were incredibly influential in teaching people theology across the country through their songs.
And so I think that there's got to be some sort of you know one I want them to see more athletes that are actually having theological and biblical literacy and actually communicating some of that which when you get the one-on-ones I know John you probably watch these like these one-on-ones where they're getting interviews they have more question and time to respond.
You do get a little bit of that and I've been impressed with some folks and so yeah I'm hoping that it just continues and that maybe there's like a chaplain or some sort of pastor or minister. That's like getting in and taking these guys that have huge platforms way deeper.
Yeah. Yeah you're probably like referencing Brock Purdy.
Is the quarterback for the San Francisco 49ers. In case anybody's tuning in they're like who's that guy. He was the last pick in the draft a couple years ago and he was on the sports spectrum podcast and he's talking about how like Jesus is Savior and Lord he is God incarnate.
And he's using language and theology that's like yeah this is this is really solid and there's a clear understanding of. He's not talking about like oh I just thank God. And that's just kind of like a token little phrase.
It's like people are saying or I think my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. People are explaining what that actually means and we can say yes and amen. But I'm totally with you. Yeah it's. It definitely scares me in these conservative circles sports circles anything in general involving celebrities somebody says something that like oh cool they said Jesus like all sudden this should be the first time we like put on the posters we platform them and they're put into these positions that they shouldn't be.
I mean obviously the the word speaks to that they're like new believers and baby believers should not be propped up. It's not fair to them. It's not good in the church and there's wolves out there ready to absolutely twist anything they.
Say and use it against them. John have you noticed anything in terms of like specific sports like more of a tendency in the NFL college football as opposed to like the NBA because I think of guys like Steve Kerr and basically the entirety of the Golden State Warriors.
But then I've baseball is my first love and I haven't seen a whole lot of that in major league baseball. Well baseball.
Is the most Christian because it's mentioned right in Genesis 1 in the beginning. That's right. Yeah right. Yeah. I haven't heard that joke since. Like.
Honestly I think it's happening in football. I think football is the most Christian and most conservative sport out there. I mean the NBA ratings. There's a reason that those have tanked. Almost 50 people are sick and tired of Steve Kerr's Steph Curry LeBron James.
There's a lot of godlessness in the NBA and in basketball in general. Baseball I mean there was a there was a solid little pushback against the LGBTQ pride stuff. They weren't wearing the patches. Right.
Yeah some people weren't wear the jerseys or the hats or the patches. There was there was some pushback against the sisters of perpetual indulgence that whole Dodgers fiasco. But in football it seems like there's a ton of players that are outspoken Christian and you know players of prominence which is you know it's not like a QB is more important than the long snapper when it comes to the kingdom of God but I do see there's a lot more conservative and Christian leaning in in football.
And I I don't know I wouldn't be able to dive in fully right now. But about like the demographics or why that is or or whatever. Right. I think football it's pretty evident and I think that I think.
I think Dale I think it was you that was mentioning you know new new believers or people who come to faith sitting under like good teaching because it's not good for the church it's not good for them and I think Russell Brand is probably the biggest example of that right now.
Wouldn't you say yeah gosh I'd love to.
Get him under some solid theological and doctrinal teaching because you know he's right there. Seeking. Yeah yeah you're right Parker and you just go. Ah well he.
Was reading a day only since yesterday because I just saw all over my feed today and yesterday that it was now Denzel that got. I mean he's a way bigger star of course than Russell Brand so Denzel's now been baptized and on the same day he was baptized he was given a certificate of ordination and I'm like.
Oh yeah she's sharing nudes of herself to her boyfriend and others right. So so the fact is that we just rushed because it's like why is it that so many Christians want to get affirmation from someone that's loved by the world rather.
Than by Christ yeah we have the name that is above every name already you know. And we don't need this guy's name or that guy's name or you know we already have Christ who has the name above every name and at his name every.
Knee will bow. So my thought is that with the internet and social media influence it's really like an unstoppable reality right. So say you get saved and you're a you're you have no platform at all you're gonna at least go tell everybody in your life your co-workers whoever it may be but let's just say that you you get saved and you have you know 10 million followers on social media you're gonna do the same and so it's you know Russell Brand is a content creator you know obviously God's providence saved him in a state that he is and so you know I think that he him talking about it is one thing platforming him like other major institutions is another and and so yeah you know I love that I saw him reading you know what Joe Joe boots mission of God and so he was getting in some of that deeper content there you know I like Pete Hegseth right is another good example you know obviously you know he's in Hames Church with Brooks Potteger and and I love that he's got that base that I know he's getting fed really strong doctrine and his influence is just beginning and so we need some more of that but yeah if we can get guys like and then you know then you again you have you have a lot of these people also running the Rome and again I think it's just religiosity you know the Candace Owens the Jordan Peterson right you know whole you know we who struggle with God or wrestle with God thing you know that was I don't I don't even know if they had one solid reformed Protestant on that panel of people it was like you know Jews and and and Catholics and eos and and and so yeah we're interesting times right now so I think that it's it's really managing again like getting back to at least the gospel the fundamentals of the gospel I just want to hear Russell Brand and he I think he has communicate the fundamentals of the gospel and I think that that once someone gives me that I go okay like if you get that like you get like you know imputed righteousness or you know or imputed sin or second Corinthians 521 type stuff that's a big that's a big.
Positive green flag for me. I'm glad you brought up Rome Dale because unfortunately I think in our social media world people want to legitimize Protestantism with the celebrity because that's what the Roman Catholic Church is doing like hey look at all these celebrities that we got and it's like they're building their Mount Rushmore of celebrities that have converted to to Rome.
And unfortunately I think people get caught up on social media we're like alright well you got that celebrity we got this celebrity as if we're like need to match them up. It's like we know that we're a part we have the true gospel we're part of the true church and we don't need to be fighting for celebrity.
But hopefully we see the Russell Brands out there where there seems to be a radical transformation. Hopefully we're help like there's a healthy skepticism but we see something like Tarot or yoga like early on and we can say like you know I'm still skeptical but I can throw it out there be like hey that doesn't align with the gospel at all and just like you said there's hopefully good people around them that give them the truth of the gospel and not this watered-down gospel or this little like non-denominational or a little bit of Roman Catholicism.
It's like no here's the truth it's in the word but I know for sure I think some people within like the social media circles are fighting for that celebrity Protestant conversion that somehow would legitimize us more which is John.
This is nothing new. We see us through our history where everyone seems to the Christ is not enough for people they want Christ plus something because it gives them legitimacy. True. We we need Christian.
The eyes of man. Yeah. Christ alone he's enough. We need no other name. Yeah. Well you get this this.
Bizarre ecumenical like Red Rover you know. Red Rover. Red Rover said Michael Knowles on over. You know I mean it's such a bizarre thing that happens. And and I remember of course when the Kanye thing first happened.
And thank you. And when Kanye happened in a lot a lot of folks myself included were like yeah give it a minute you know. And then of course he went totally off the rails. Bananas you know. And you kind of go.
This is why we you know I just yesterday preached on first John 4 1 to 6 you know. And test the spirits see if they be from God you know. And and that whole passage is saying look you know make sure that the guy that says Jesus by name actually means the Jesus that you and I mean you know that's just because they say Jesus does not mean anything.
The guy that was witnesses that knocked on my door last week say Jesus you know. But but they don't mean the same Jesus that I'm talking about. I went to church with a.
Guy that that knew Kanye personally from years and years ago and he contacted Kanye when he was going out and doing his Sunday specials and he basically told him stop doing that like you. You're not in a position to be doing that.
I don't. You know it doesn't matter your platform it doesn't matter how you care that you're gonna bring people to Christ. You need to sit under discipled teaching and learn before you go out there in public and be going.
Oh you got you know look what I could do for Christ. He's like you won't be able to do anything for Christ if you don't first learn to be a disciple.
Yeah Kanye felt like a spiritual miscarriage it was just like it was just like you know okay you're like it's the it's the root and it sprouts up and you're like man that looks good it looks like it's gonna go and then it just gets choked out and I think we can say with almost certainty that it's choked out you know just the stuff that that has been going on so who knows what the state of the Kanye soul you know what.
One thing that I'd love to chat about with you guys is is just kind of this like a Catholicity a healthy form of you know we all know this term of reformed Catholicity that I think people are trying the series sees I think trying to pull that off at least between you know maybe reformed Baptist Presbyterians and Anglicans.
And you know I was at AmFest this week down with the Charlie Kirk crowd and you know I have a buddy you know from Australia's names Andrew Sidra. He's a charismatic through and through knows the gospel certainly born again but you know his wife preaches that you know every now and then and he's he's got all the charismatic stuff that I disagree with and then I had him on my right taking a photo and then I had Calvin Robinson on my left and so you got you know I actually we made a joke that it was like a charismatic a Calvinist and a Catholic you know walk into a bar you know and so so you know and then you know Calvin you know I really love and and he's surprising me more and more on his doctrinal positions but then he's got some stuff that's just totally way out in left field we know that we disagree on and so I'm trying to figure out how to balance these relationships where you go.
Hey we can still we can still be friends have have stark disagreements. Where's the line. You know I think it's on the gospel. I think it's on the new birth. I think it's you know faith you know faith alone you know not so anyways I'm just that's the thing that I'm really fighting through right now trying to figure out the bow I think a lot of people are trying to figure out how do you balance that with a kind of the wideness of Christendom right now in America.
Yeah yeah it's it's crazy.
Because you you can allow yourself to be kind of joined in link arms with other people on broader political issues even sometimes right like abortion or some some progressive tax stuff or you know you can come together and go.
Okay we can all agree that this is good or not good and we should agree or disagree with it but then it feels like we really and of course you know we don't be heretical or have wolves or anything like that but but I would say I've even had infighting between brothers who they both believe the the Apostles Creed and I would go man that's a pretty good starting point for orthodoxy isn't it.
So should there be some leeway there within the body of Christ for those who believe in orthodox. When I'm saying orthodox I'm not saying like Eastern or Western thing orthodox.
Christianity those core tenets we need. We need a new term. Yeah we really need a.
I think you're right though. I think you guys are right on the just using the Apostles Creed. I know I think that Doug talked about that Amir Christendom the idea of like a kind of a you know the Apostles Creed being the main creed that to terms of your Trinitarian you know throw the Mormons are out the J dubs are out.
Yeah you know. But. But you got you know some of the Anglo Catholics you got all the way down to kind of the charismatic or even you know just kind of low-hanging you know weird Protestantism milquetoast Protestantism so but yeah I think that is something have any guys been trying to figure that.
Out as well I if if I jumped in here real quick obviously somebody that was involved with turning point for two and a half years definitely won't get into the behind the scenes I don't think that would be healthy but I do see an ecumenical nature in a place like that and obviously you see that with faith and then you see that within conservatism like conservatism is not rooted in a specific place at times and that seems like it gets redefined just like many other terms and then the ecumenical nature of we can look at someone like Calvin Robinson and be like yeah like you have some things that are really strong really bull we can agree with maybe on a political standpoint and then other times it's like you think the Reformation was a mistake.
It's like you know how do we have those conversations without somebody feeling like you know you're platforming them or you're giving them a position that you know we're not equally yoked to this person it seems like and you know how can we have those conversations that are healthy and not feel like we're linking ours with somebody that we shouldn't be linking arms with.
But there definitely is times where we see churches like you know Andrew Andrew's a great dude. I've hung out with him Cedric many times really really great guy with you Dale it's like I'm not questioning his salvation at all but I see other you know weird fringes like Bethel it's like their arms linked away from turning point at times and it's like that's not the gospel and what they're sharing there's like those are by every biblical standpoint false teachers and we can come together and say yeah that that ain't it.
And that's what kind of scares me at times is you know you kind of stick to this surface level of like oh well I believe in Jesus and I believe that like kind of Jesus lived and died and rose again. And if that's kind of like that's obviously a great starting point.
But at times you're kind of misusing scripture here you're adding you know man-made tradition on top of these things that hopefully we can have a healthy skepticism and then at times like really draw a hard line and be like this like I can be friends with you but I don't think you should be platformed at this event or you know throwing on this social media platform or anything like that again guys I know it's very vague but hopefully that like still is.
The healthy skepticism we should have. Yeah I agree with you John. I think you're right. I think it's it's finding that balance. I think there needs to be a place for better debates between those groups and in Christendom that are real that are you know classy statesmen level debates that are willing to have hard discussions around theology and doctrine I think people in the church would be.
Eating that up right now because I mean I don't know how you guys feel about the unbelievable podcast. Like even someone like Justin Brierley there are some differences there but it seemed like he had the platform that had some of those great doctrinal debates even you know within the church and then people on the outside.
Is there anything like that. Is it. Would you want something like that is.
That what you're talking about. Yeah that's what I'm talking about. I'm thinking about. You know a conversational debates or at least some vague structure. I mean just some structure doesn't have to be you know loosey-goosey but doesn't also have to be like a full-blown debate that we're going to get everybody together for it.
But I think that more you know more than James White needs to come out and have some discussions around these matters with other people. And people also that are that are even not you know again like a Calvin Robinson where you're like okay you're not as far off as like full-blown Roman Catholicism but let's debate what we are different so that we can show the lines to people that are following us and go.
Hey you know this is what we have in common this is where we disagree and I think I think a lot of people are trying to figure that out around guys like him and around guys like Andrew Sidra and and how do we how do we be friends without compromise on truth in the midst of it.
And I think friends I think by respect. I think honor you know I think you know honestly disagreeing and clarifying those disagreements. But doing it doing it in a way that's not rude or insulting especially again with when you're talking within kind of Apostles Creed people talking to the Mormons.
I'm gonna insult their doctrine because they're on the outside you know. Well Dale the real.
Issue is you know we we have to have debates without platform building. We have to have debates where people are interested in explaining their point of view without misrepresenting someone else's point of view to communicate the truths that they believe.
Not for the sake of getting a bunch of people to follow them you know. And to John's point you guys probably aren't familiar with Apologetics Live. But that's what we do. I mean it's it's it's a live stream.
I get people that come in. They are prepared for debate against me. I have no idea I'm debating that night. I actually love that. I think it's fun. But you know the thing is treat them with respect. I mean a guy who I've debated more than anybody else is Matt Sleck from Carm .org.
Matt and I are very good friends but disagree on a whole host of things. He's Presbyterian. I'm Baptist. He's continuationist. I'm a cessationist. He believes in infant baptism. I believe in the Bible.
Um oh sorry Greg. Um you know one of the things that people have always commented about when we debate each other is we always take the time to address the strongman arguments that our side makes against the other side because we're not interested in winning the debate.
We're interested in communicating the truths that we believe from God's work. And there's not enough people doing debate.
Doing that. It takes a certain level of maturity too right. And I think. Hold on did Greg just call me mature? I didn't say you do it. I just said in general it takes a certain level of maturity. And then what you have is you have especially within reform circles.
And Matthew has jumped on a few minutes ago and we're gonna introduce him and get him in the conversation. Matthew Everhart. But what happens is you have a whole bunch of people in the reform circle that are always about oh look at those Charismatics and the Pentecostals and they're all you know controlled by their emotions and their excitement.
And then we're controlled by our emotions and our immaturity by our jealousy and by our anger and by our all these things so just a different set of emotions when in fact you know the way you talk to somebody the way you treat somebody does show a certain level of maturity in Christ.
And I know it's taken me a long time to go from cage stage to just trying to want to out argue someone to go. Oh no let's let's let me listen to that person and actually hear what they're saying. Consider their points.
If I disagree with it I can. But also we can get in a rough-and-tumble discussion and ten minutes later we're gonna go get.
Coffee together. There's nothing wrong with that. Yeah and I think that the key is if you're actually friends with a person. I think it really helps to have a good debate. I think if you get to start off with a relationship that you actually like the guy it's it's it's a lot harder to be a jerk and so you get to have a real relationship.
But if you don't know the person it can easily become just like you're my enemy you're my opponent. That's something that I'm.
Just gonna. You don't have to be friends right. I mean I've debated Muslims. I've debated plenty of people on college campuses and elsewhere. I'm talking in Apostles Creed people though. But even then you can still show respect to people.
Yeah even more so to a brother. Yes. Sure you should. Yeah so Matthew Everhard.
What's up brother? What's up you guys. How are you. Good to see you all tonight.
Hi Matthew. Hey what's up buddy. Matthew Everhard has a new book out Worship Tainment. Great book. Read it. Highly recommend it. We're talking about things that maybe well we got off subject a little bit of what the live stream is but it was very good conversation but we're talking about kind of ideas or opinions that we have that may have thrown us on to the island of misfit toys to keep that Christmas theme going.
Things that you stand on in truth and say here I stand I will not waver and has gotten maybe blowback on social media from friends family from the leftists. I know every single person on this live stream I've seen it either in person or on social media them saying something that was truthful godly biblical Christ reflecting and just got eaten alive for it because they stood on his word.
Has there been anything like that for you Matthew or throw something else out there for us and we'll go in.
That direction. Well sure first of all thanks for having me on you know I jumped on the conversation when you guys were talking about godly debating and just a shout out to my homeboy Keith Foskey who I think is doing a very good job at this kind of thing because Keith is first of all a very likable person and I know it's a little bit lame to use the word winsome these days so when it's a it's a day that calls for courage but Keith is winsome and courageous and he's done a number of debates where they're just positive friendly biblical not prone to ad hominem attacks or anything like that.
He's done a number of these matter of fact me and him we did a debate about a two-hour kind of friendly debate very very modest rule sets didn't have to have all the strictures of like a James White debate not that there's anything wrong with that but we talked about the Sabbath being the Lord's Day or how what you know what the abiding pertinences of the fourth commandment is a wonderful conversation and him and I are friends behind the scenes so I thought that was awesome of Keith and he continues to do stuff like that which is very helpful apologetically.
As for my doctrine of misfit toys you know again I'm late to the party here tonight guys but I want to talk a little bit about the regulative principle of worship because that is something that I hold dear and certainly it's featured in my book Worshiptainment the modern church's golden calf where I wrote a polemical work that in some ways attacks probably what's happening in 90 of generically evangelical churches with the kind of reductionistic concert in a TED talk model of worship and in my book I'm calling for a return to the regulative principle of worship and a robust understanding of the elements of worship, preaching, prayer, confession, psalm singing, sacraments, doxologies, benedictions, simple worship, beautiful worship that's biblical in its roots and historical, confessional, all that and so that that's probably my doctrine of misfit toys where I get a lot of kickback.
Even our view of the Second Commandments and our understanding of the images of Christ probably would put us at odds with a lot of evangelicals here today but it's something that's worth standing for because worship is the very center and heart of what it is that we do and are as as believers and so I'm hoping that my book makes some kind of an impact in the broader evangelical world as people again think about how important it is that our worship services would be ordered around what God actually commands us to do in worship not what we feel like we should do for our felt needs in worship.
Now that's that's so good and I would say too what I wanted to. Oh go ahead. What. Oh I thought oh I was just gonna say because I want to bring Parker in on this too. But you said Matthew that you know even the whole images thing which I've really been rolling around in my head to to include not only icons images but also movies and film to where you know I've had so much pushback within my family over the last three or four years and a lot of friends too just talking about shows like The Chosen where I just go well me my family have chosen no pun intended or maybe pun intended to not partake in that because it's really it's really been weighing on my conscious of what are we representing Christ as and it doesn't fall under blasphemy laws and in all these kind of things.
And that was one where I got a lot of pushback on where people go oh just you know it's just a show about Jesus. Nice if there's no cussing there's no nudity it's the family could watch it and it's like that's the standard it seems like for Christians to watch shows now it's you know never mind if it's heretical but I found a lot of my charismatic friends kind of like earlier in the stream like we were talking about.
I had one pastor of a very large church here locally say his put his answer to me about now watching shows he goes but at least the least the word Jesus is getting out at least people are hearing the name Jesus.
And I went oh so that's what it is. We use it like incantations in the evangelical world like Jesus is like a magic spell if we can. And I think Cory was kind of talking about that earlier. Oh if you just say Jesus and it's like well I mean Satan knows the name of Jesus right.
Atheists know the name of Jesus like what Jesus are we talking about. That's the very important thing to me. But I know watch well podcast. Parker you're in the movie kind of realm and in film industry and obviously you own an editing company like if what are your thoughts on.
Not only just chosen but just like how Christ is represented in media. Has that ever been pushed back for.
You um yeah I would say that's a big question Greg. I can throw it over to.
John there. I think he was waving his hand or. Claude. Claude I say that when it.
Comes to the whole Jesus thing. If you apply that same logic as long as the you know name of Christ is getting out you could apply that to a lot of different really like kind of I think it was either Dale or John that mentioned it before.
Maybe maybe it was Cory where you actually have to go and and surgically look at like what what they mean by when they're defined terms. What do you mean by Christ. What do you mean by Jesus. Is he the Lord.
Is he Satan's brother. Is. Like what which Jesus are we talking about. So when it comes to the chosen I guess I guess my opinion I just don't know why it's needed. Just because just because people are you know coming to Christ through the show doesn't mean that the show is also good.
Because our God can use bad things and make good of them. Well it's kind of like it's just a bad metric in my in my mind to say that people are coming to Christ therefore it's good. Yeah he gives grace to the.
Sinner so that we continue sending by no means. Yeah. I'd love to hear them. You know these guys's opinion. Zoolander what do you got for us. Oh that's John.
Rude I mean sorry this would be probably my last comment before. Okay before I got to go before the comment. To really appreciate being on this panel with you guys. It's a blessing. Love the work that you guys do.
But with the chosen I mean I was the guy that ended up reaching out to them online about the pride flag thing in case people didn't know you know I didn't I didn't come blasting them right away. It probably could.
But I did my own research and I looked at their behind-the-scenes video. There's a rainbow pride flag. It's prominent. It's in there behind the scenes footage they know that it's there and there's a major LGBTQ issue within this show like there's a lot of LGBTQ affirming actors.
Dallas Jenkins the director is totally okay with it. He just said it's it's just a three-inch pride flag. It's just a little bit of cancer. It's not that bad and there's there's so many issues because people say well I think I'm seeing a genuine move of God in people's lives and they credit the chosen.
I mean I know a guy that got saved because of the grace of God but it was through turning on the TV. And who was on Joel Osteen. Are we gonna say just because God worked. Yeah that's rude turning on the television and by his Providence this life was saved through this medium.
It's like I just no one's gonna say like all right. Well Joel Osteen's all right. Kenneth Copeland's all right. There's a litany of issues within that show and I think a lot of people just want a circus.
They want to be entertained. They don't. They see Jesus and he's asking Matthew and his mother Mary for help with the Sermon on the Mount. That should have a there should be a red flag that that goes off when Joseph tells Jesus within the chosen that he trespassed.
Like a red flag should go off when Jesus tells people like no don't worship me or he omits repentance when he's quoting scripture to Nicodemus. Like these red flags should go off and people should start to realize where it's like hmm maybe this actually has an agenda behind it and it's trying to give us maybe a he gets us type of Christianity he gets us kind of Jesus and it's not the biblical Jesus and it's not just a bunch of legalistic pharisaical Reformed bros and Theo bros that are just trying to tear down anything good.
It's shot really well. The cinematography is great. The acting is good but we're not looking for entertainment. We're looking for a solid representation of the Bible and probably a lot of guys here would say you know this is a second commandment violation in the first place so like I just can't get behind it but we're asking it to be faithful to the text.
It hasn't been faithful to the text and there's unfortunately a lot of people that are going along with the circus of the chosen and the chosen last thing to long ramble I'll go after this is the chosen is in churches across the country they claim not to be a ministry and they want people to preach through the lens of the chosen.
They want to introduce people with Christianity and then have sermon outlines which they provide to these churches they're connected with and they want it to be a Bible substitute ecumenical in nature and it's there's Roman Catholicism.
There's Mormonism and it's just it's unfortunate to see a lot of people idolize the chosen and stick with the inerrancy of the chosen instead of the inerrancy of Scripture. I will drop that bomb there.
I love you guys. Merry Christmas. Have a beautiful day with your family.
God bless you guys. Grenade and leaves. Hey. Hey Matt. I want to ask you a question about your book. So when you talked about you know the regulative principle did you. Do you mention in your book anything about kneeling during.
Corporate confession of sin. No that's not. It's not meant to be an exhaustive treatise on every possible you know controversial matter but basically the book introduces the regulative principle in chapter one and then I applied that principle to some of the major aspects of worship including a chapter on expository preaching which of course I encourage a section on church music a section on liturgy a section on the sacraments and then finally a section on church leadership.
But I don't take up some of those smaller issues that have been historically debated in the past. Not at that minute level. No it's more just an introduction. I'm hoping that broad evangelicals will read the book and just consider a little bit about what it means to worship biblically in terms of just just forming our worship services based around things that the Bible actually commends rather than trying to invent different kinds of worship.
As for posturing my own particular position is that the scripture commends various different kinds of posture when we worship including standing kneeling lying on one's face lifting one's hands singing remaining silent so all of those could be conceivably appropriate times.
But if I could encourage anybody to do anything I would just I would just want people to return to biblical expository preaching and drop the theatrics from worship. If you watch Protestia on their Twitter or their x-page he does an excellent job of cataloging some of the worst mischief makers in terms of worship attainment today.
And you know the goal of the book is just to push everybody one step closer to a biblical form of worship with a great amount of freedom for the most part in terms of how we would structure our orders of worship.
I've never met you Matt but I own a small guitar effects pedal company called Westminster effects. It's all church history themed. My initial my original target demographic was church musicians basically encouraging them hey y 'all can read better books you know start with the Bible and then you know here's some Edwards here's some Spurgeon etc and you know who I don't really target anymore is church musicians because they don't care they they really just want to entertain goats and it's and it's been pretty sad to witness.
Honestly yeah but you got skillet so you're good right. I mean he's out there.
Repping your pedals. Oh yeah that is a totally different target demographic.
That's true. No I think it's a great book. Matt I think that it's. It's like step one into reformed ecclesiology or reformed worship you know it. Because I I'm sure like many of you guys it's been a spectrum of a journey for me.
I mean I went from again Southern California Calvary Chapel all the way to you know Westminster you know Presbyterian you know. And so this is like it was such a long journey and it took so many years of study.
And I'm a pastor I I'm reading 50 hours a week you know. So like the average person that can you know throw on a podcast or read one book a month or something like that we just I think it's a good effort to move people just a little bit closer so that they can realize the flaws in you know American churchianity.
Well and I know like even.
Teaching you know at a PCA Church I mean I'm under care like said earlier under care heading towards T. I'm an RE already and in the PCA as Matthew's a TE. In the PCA even at a PCA Church in an adult Sunday school class when I taught on the regulative principle it was fairly like I won't say it was something that I got a ton of pushback on.
But there wasn't. It wasn't like we're Presbyterian we already get this. Nope. No no that that was not the case you know and and it's not that our church is really egregious on you know you know having a lot of bad regulative principle stuff going on in the service.
We don't we don't have smoke machines and all that stuff. But it's just not they knew that our services were as most of the adults would have said our services were boring. But they didn't understand you know any principles behind it.
They didn't understand that there was a biblical they're just they didn't have any idea about any of that. So I mean I can say even from a denomination that adheres to the regular principle it is still something that is is really not talked about very much.
And I mean yeah when I had Matt on on my podcast we talked to it and I read the book. I thought and what an incredible idea to do such a you know very accessible primer for what is a difficult to digest doctrine in 2024.
I got a quick comment. I'm gonna jump out Greg. Okay two comments actually so revolving around what everyone has said this has been. First of all thank you again for inviting me to be on. I'm like the Forrest Gump of this group.
I think you're a millionaire. No. But first of all just a general broad statement. I'm thankful that God can draw a straight line with a crooked stick. Right. Like like what has been said here. Right that even on off off circumstances and on off cases that the Gospels proclaimed and folks get saved.
However I would say to what everyone's saying here tonight that there truly does need to be a standard. The regular principle is a standardization right of our worship principles and our worship practices set forth in the church.
But I would say this it's it's got to begin with the church. The church has to move away from the entertainment mentality and the entertainment principle. We are not. It's not a circus where we're trying to feed the goats and entertain the goats.
That the goal of the pastor of the elder of the local church is to feed the sheep so that and to this end that they may grow in the grace and the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Better that we know Christ and we only know Christ from according to the Word.
The better that we know Christ the better that we are able to worship him the better that we are able to love him and the better that we are able to serve him. Because it's from that regenerated heart that is continually molded and that we are sanctified by the Word of God.
That we are made into the image of Christ. And it will cause us that will cause us to be better Christians in the long run. If we just would do that we should we should. I encourage as an elder and a pastor myself I encourage congregants of local churches press your pastors and your elders to feed you the scriptures and nothing else.
Right if if the lights go off and I know this is somewhat cliche. But if the lights go off what does that matter. If the heat or the air goes off what does that matter. The Word should be preached above all else the Word and the communication and the preaching and proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ the evangelate it the evangelization of the Saints and of the lost is necessary within the local church.
So we need to we need. I think we need to return to that. Thank you guys. I appreciate you all all. Right Claude love.
You brother here I stay in theology podcast. Go check him out mentioned I.
Preached in the Philippines. Once in the Sky Dome 1 ,500 people lost the AC not a single person left. Try that in America. I was there during a heatwave we weren't in a building we're just an outside tent where they had fans no one.
Like people were hungry for the Word of God amen. In America it's like oh oh the temperature.
Isn't right. I can't go to church my Starbucks was late. Hey listen I want to switch gears here really quick. Parker read this comment that someone just put up here. I'd like to hear one of you guys comment on this if you wanted to give.
Him some advice. Read that for all. Right. So I'm not even gonna try and say the first part of this person's name but the last part is faction and this person asks what advice would you give for a young Christian who wants to go in law enforcement.
Give. Given the corruption in the system and subjectivity to kill bad guys at some point. Is it what is it. Is it a safe career push. Okay I'm gonna.
Take it just because I got a jump okay so this is my last my last go here and I'm sure you guys have better answers than mine but I often we have guys in our church that have been police officers and have been in law enforcement at various degrees working in prisons one it's you know it really does feel in a sense somewhat like a calling in terms of an equipping at least for sure that you have to have the the the wisdom the discernment the self-control and also a desire really to bring the light into a very dark place.
It's a burden similar to ministry on your family burden upon your your wife and children. Lots of risk lots of responsibility and I have seen police officers do an incredible work with sharing the gospel when you have a captive audience in the backseat of your car and so it becomes a really great ministry there.
Also we want more Christians in law enforcement that I think are upholding a righteous interpretation of the law that are showing grace that are showing mercy mercy that are also you know upholding righteousness.
They're actually putting the sword out on evil and so I think it is a great thing to infiltrate those particular civil spheres and we need we need more godly people in those places and so yeah I would say yes if you're the right guy it shouldn't be like you know I was thinking about being either a you know this or that or this you know I think there really needs to be a little bit more clarity and a desire but if you have a protective instinct if your family wants to support you there if you you're a man of integrity and you can handle hard situations with discernment and I think it's a great career path and a very respectable and honorable career path for Christians to to check out so that'll be my last go but hey it's been really great hanging out with you guys.
Thanks Dale. Where can people find you and follow you? Throw it out there real quick. Yeah just on Instagram and on Twitter just at Dale Partridge and relearn .org that's the main thing that I'm doing so.
All right thanks brother. You have a good Christmas. See you guys. You too.
I used to work for the Department of Corrections in the state of Indiana and so I've done a little bit of that. And and I have. But again let's take it back to the Bible because I agree with what Dale said.
I think there's plenty of fodder there. I have two daughters and a son. My son is named Micah and he's named Micah because my favorite verse in the Bible is Micah 6 8. And so I would encourage any young man that is looking into law enforcement or the military or any kind of martial type job like that.
I think Micah 6 8 is such a great verse for any young man that has that type of bearing of you know the Lord has told you what is good and what does the Lord require of you. But to do justly you know you must seek justice because God is a man a God of justice.
He gave us justice so he expects us to be men of justice. And then love mercy. You know give mercy every possible chance that you have. You know dole out mercy with with as much extreme abundance as you possibly can knowing sadly that there will be times that mercy will reach its limit.
And that and that mercy no longer will be something that can be given. And what do you do at those points. Well you fall back to option a which is do justly you you have to then do justly and while you're doing both of those things you walk humbly with with the Lord your God.
You know I mean I it that sounds like such a simple verse. But I've told my son repeatedly son if you could get even halfway close to doing this this one verse if you could live it as a young man and into your older age as a man that follows this one verse and follows it.
Well you'll be so far beyond your peer set that it'll be insane. Yeah no that's good advice. So as someone who.
Worked for the federal government both under the George W Bush and Obama administrations. You know let me just say if someone's looking to get into law enforcement yes there there's corruption at top.
Guess what no matter what company you work for there's corruption at the top so just give that idea up. I mean at the level of law enforcement you got to decide what you're going in for okay and what level you're gonna rise to.
So you're going into law enforcement for the sake of protecting people in America for serving your country in this way that's your goal. Then you do just that and you you fight the corruption as it comes up now it may come to a point where things are so corrupt as I had to deal with where you know under Obama I had to step out could not continue doing it because what they were doing was so corrupt and I was party of it and I couldn't I couldn't partake.
So so when you get to that point yeah then you make that decision but we need you know kind of as you know was just said you know you know we need more people to be in these roles because if not then yeah the corruption just gets to roll over.
We need people that are gonna stand up and push back because there are times where when you when you have people pushing back and saying yeah but you're saying to do this and the law says this that they go okay we got to back off.
So we need people that are willing to not only do the role and do it well but to do it with integrity because unfortunately you know depending which which area of law enforcement you are that there's a lot of differences whether you're in a you know a you know police officer role versus a you know three-letter you know eight government agency there's differences there and when you're in those different groups it's gonna be a difference of how much that's gonna influence.
But if you're in one of those groups where yeah it's it's impacting you greatly. Well the reality is you may need to stand up. You may be may need to be a whistleblower. You may need to push back where you can and you may need to leave but that shouldn't deter you from saying I'm a young person who wants to make you know to do this in a field where yeah at the top there's corruption yet be be in that role and be the Christian and be the light and salt that we need to be yeah yeah and in a.
Perfect. Romans 13 role. I mean police officers are ministers of peace. They have been appointed by God to administer justice to protect the righteous and to bring justice to evildoers. I mean when I was a young kid growing up I wasn't even allowed to say cop.
I. My dad said cops can call each other. Cops you call them police officers. Show them the right authority that God has placed them in. Whether they're corrupt or not. They will face judgment one day for those actions.
But yeah I agree with all that. Well look at we're going into the final 25 minutes here. We might have one or two more people jump on it in the last minutes. But I wanted to change gears here because we have Parker Brown here in studio with us from the watch well podcast.
For all you guys watching out there right now make sure you go subscribe to watch. Well he takes movies and you guys watch him the guests and you both watch him. And then you guys discuss them and you go.
Okay let's let's talk about how this relates to. What. What's your tagline. Presuppositional movie. It's presuppositional apologetics.
Applied to film but in a way every single movie that has ever been made contains eternal truths that hold the narrative together. Yeah and those eternal truths are from our worldview a Christian worldview.
So we just observe what Hollywood steals is essentially what we say. I love it. So this is what I.
Wanted to do as we go around here and as we're kind of rounding this out I want each of you guys and we'll start with Andrew then we'll go through. I want you to name your favorite Christmas movie. Since this is a Christmas livestream special we're going to be celebrating the birth of our Savior here in two days.
Give me your. Well we don't we don't. Start with Andrew. He's rolling his eyes. Maybe he doesn't have one. But. What is your favorite Christmas movie. Okay if you have one throw it out there. Tell me favorite Christmas movie.
Why. And you want to what. Throw in your favorite Christmas Carol as well too. Because I got raked over the coals a few nights gone. Keith Foskey's. When I said joy to the world they said that's not even about Christmas it's about the second coming which maybe it is but I've got a soft spot for Isaac Watts.
Okay I made it.
My own based off of Keith Foskey's thing. Should I announce that you know. Home Alone or Christmas movies. Oh that's so funny. All I'm saying is if there's a.
Contingent of believers out there that think diehard is a Christmas movie then I can think that joy to the world is a Christmas Carol. That's all I'm saying. I'm using the same logic they are but Cody it looks looks like you're smiling there you got a.
You got to go to Christmas movie and Christmas Carol or.
Him that you that you prefer above all the others. Favorite Christmas song is Emanuel. But understood covenantally and not dispensationally. I will say Matthew.
Just said diehard not in the Bible so prescriptively not allowed to watch that. I think you just said we looked it up in worship tainment you know I was gonna.
Say if we take what Matthew said with the regular principle and apply it to harmonics you all be dispensational. So I'm just saying don't you start. We got.
The one dis be in here that's got a big mouth. Hey I'll throw out my favorite.
Christmas movie and favorite Christmas him. So the Christmas vacation with Chevy Chase. The first 20 minutes of that is pure gold. I laugh at every single scene every single second. But the reason I love that movie so much I actually have a Christmas vacation.
Chevy Chase t-shirt. I'm not wearing it right now. I should have. But because he he wants so badly to have the perfect family Christmas. He is like the last true gentleman that wants to have everybody over once everybody to to truly celebrate.
And I just I relate to him so much. My Christmas him. If I wasn't picking a song and I feel like I should pick a song. But my favorite him for Christmas is is called let all mortal flesh keep silent. And it is an absolutely haunting melody.
Great theological content. It's one of the oldest hymns that there is and they the Trinity PCA hymnal. If you have the Trinity hymnal let all mortal flesh keep silent goes way back hundreds of years in translation.
It is amazing. Yes the green verse you got a green one. Where'd you get that. That's cool. But we were.
Already best friends. Actually yeah. If I ever get a chance to have you on our podcast I want that t-shirt I want you to wear that t-shirt. I will discuss that.
I think that'd be good. Yeah yeah he's got a really cool concept because you watch the movie in 2025. There you go you watch the movie then you just dissect it with. You know I built upon the Word of God and it's just a fun concept.
I.
Think but Corey did you have something. I do it. Mine is a toss-up so so I have a soft spot for it's a wonderful life. I think it's a wonderful life is a great story. I like I like the message. I just think it's I think it's a great story.
But. But my other one would be nightmare before Christmas. And again it's a total watch. Well take I love a nightmare before Christmas because it basically shows the seed that fell on you know rocky soil kind of in plants and then doesn't last.
And he apostasizes back to being the pumpkin king you know. So I mean he sees this beautiful thing that is Christmas and he wants to take it. But when Jack takes Christmas it's grotesque you know I mean he doesn't know how to make it beautiful because he's he's again to use Christian language.
He's lost right. So he he just he makes Christmas this really grotesque spectacle that is Halloween like wrapped in glitter and gold and and so. And then he just finally decides you know what. This isn't who I am.
I was happier as the pumpkin king. And I'm gonna leave this Christianity stuff to to the people that actually do it. So I'm really torn between those two films. Those are kind of my two favorites at this time of year.
And then what child is this is my favorite Christmas song. Yeah good stuff. Andrew you got anything for us. And then we'll go to Parker. Oh wait that doesn't count.
What you. Which one did you say. Fiddler on the Roof. I think that's a great wait. No chase. I don't really do. I mean folks like I didn't grow up with Christmas so I. I don't really have a favorite Christmas movie.
I mean so Parker how.
About you. So I'll be in him or Carol. Favorite one round out the silent night.
It's probably my favorite okay my favorite great one and then I think I've got to agree with Matthew. Christmas vacation Christmas vacation it's.
Probably my very favorite. Okay JJ's Davis just jumped in. We were shifting gears to something a little less serious talking about our favorite Christmas movie that you can throw out to the people there and then favorite Christmas him or Carol.
You got one for us. Chase. Oh sure yeah. I just watched. Uh you know.
I grew up seeing It's a Wonderful Life on television all the time but as a kid I don't think I ever watched the full thing. And then I watched the full thing with my family last year and I was like crying man so good oh good yeah it's great um and then I think Come That Long Expected Jesus I like that him a lot I like Oh Come Come Emmanuel that's like for my whole life that's been my favorite kind of Christmas.
Him so that would be my are we allowed to like Mary.
Did you know. No are we not allowed to hate it. I've said it on many a live stream. I'm not listening on Keith Foskey's show the other day. That's why he made the joke. That's why I made it very anti Mary did you know.
For folks.
Who want to go follow Parker. Watch Wells one word so if you go to look for you know it's watch. Well one word not two so you can find it. So ma 'am all.
Right. So let's run this last 15 minutes. I we've been going strong since seven. As I've always said if anyone needs to jump off you're more than welcome to. But we're down to our final six. At one point I think we had 10 or 11 on here.
But chase anything this year where you have stood on something an opinion to. Where the leftists the crazies the feminists even friends or family where you've had an opinion. And it's put you on the island of misfit toys where they just went.
I cannot get on board with that and you said well it's the truth it's reality. It is what it is. Do you have anything like that. I know. And the reason why I invited each of everyone who's appeared on here tonight.
I've seen either on Twitter or Instagram or Facebook where you have gotten all kinds of pushback just for stating something that was true. So that's what we all have in common here and that's kind of why I wanted to have you guys on.
But I definitely know with you. Chase your your Twitter X feed is a while. Yeah you know.
I like to think it's not. It's fairly moderate. I'm a centrist. Really. I'm very tolerant and inclusive. No I just have a lot of fun on there. I I've said something last week and apparently it was called making the rounds on reddit and that's when you know you really hit a banger and so like I you should walk up.
When you meet a new guy you should be assuming he's married. Happily married to a woman with children. You know that they have children together. Yeah. So you should ask questions like so how long have you and your wife been married.
Like if I were to meet somebody on the show. So how long have you and your wife been married. I don't know if you're married or not but you should be assuming people are married. You should be assuming people have kids and man people did not.
Like that I was just I made it to read it huh. Yeah yeah people were you know.
Jesus would never assume anything about anyone you know because the whole point is you should assume the sinner you should push you should ask questions that promote. Instead of asking questions like are you married have you all chosen to have children you know are they in a Christian school or public school you should assume what you want to cultivate in society.
Obviously I'm being silly it's Twitter. This is not how I typically interact with people every.
Day. But it is now it is now. Yes it's Twitter. But. But it's actually that you're bringing up a good point chase like I do this with homeschool unfortunately. And it really gets up. I go. How long have you been homeschooling.
I just assume you homeschool. Right. Yeah. Even though I know you're sending your kids to a godforsaken Roman public school and I. You know. And we can have that discussion but I think it's good to get in a mindset of assume Christendom.
Yeah yeah that's good. What we're gonna say Andrew. Sorry. Well I was gonna say.
The answer to you know well Jesus wouldn't assume things. Of course not he.
Knows everything. That beard is scary. Matthew what do you think you think we should be walking down the street assuming Christendom for people and saying hey get on board with this. It's the best way.
It's how the God designed.
The universe you know as he was as Chase was talking about that I was thinking about it because I had not I wasn't up with that controversy. I didn't follow that particular tweet or and I'm not on reddit.
But I do like the idea of assuming the good about people. Even though of course we suspect the worst because of the sinful nature. But the good is marriage and the good is family. And so it's actually seems to me just on first blush take here a charitable principle of esteeming the other brother.
Well that she would assume that that person is married rather than to assume that they're fornicating or living together. So I kind of like it. I was nodding yes as he was describing his tweets. And I thought yeah that's kind of an interesting concept to just assume that the person just out of kindness you know Leviticus 1918 love your neighbor as yourself.
I would want people to assume good things about me. And of course it's good. Good to be married. Good to be faithful to one woman who is your wife. Good to be child rearing in a godly way catechizing your children.
So yeah seems.
Like a seems like a fair principle to me. Yeah and I don't know if this applies directly but recently I went to a different gym so I do jiu-jitsu and I went to a different gym and one of my pastors actually does jiu-jitsu and then another buddy from the church community does it as well and I went to their gym.
I trained at a different gym and I got off the mat. We were taking a break and one of the guys and I know who this guy is but I sat down next to him to take a break and we got talking and he was asking me about my family.
He's asking my kids my wife. And and then I returned the favor and I asked him. I said you know. So you know what about your wife and your kids. And then it was this you know no I'm waiting to get married.
And it was like putting everything off and and and so I just went into this whole monologue on how marriage is the greatest thing ever and having kids is the greatest thing ever and and you started to see his opinion of those things shift through the conversation and he was like oh man you're right.
Like I was. You know one of the things that I brought up was like you know any job that you ever do you're replaceable. They will they will fire you or you will get laid off or you'll retire and they will replace that position with somebody new and you're expect you're expendable.
Yeah. But in your family you are not. And so we talked about legacy and building a legacy you know as a father and a husband and all these different things and the effects that you know can radiate from that.
And by the end he was like man you're right. So I pray that. You know I changed his opinion but when Chase was talking you know what was going through my head is also speaking highly of those things is important.
Yeah. No. Absolutely. I hate it when I see.
Like Christian brothers or something in there to all my kids are this or my wife did that or complaining. And it's like what are you talking about. Do you need to get your house in order then. Because because I don't know of a better place than in my home with a loving wife with loving children obedient children that are serving the Lord.
I mean I sometimes I've you sit there and you go oh there's people that don't that not only don't can't experience this or don't experience it but they put it off and they're seeking other things that are just ruining their life putting them into a deep pit of depression and then also believing the lies of the secular world that says don't go after it don't have it.
It's no good it's a it's a time waste it's a money waste. And you go wow boy did God design this reality a very particular way in his common grace through family and in children. I mean I mean gives you this deep joy and believe me I was in the world for a long time I shook my fist at God I don't need you and there was nothing that could compare to that and you try to tell a 19 year old Greg that he would probably argue with you but as a 43 year old Greg you look back and you go wow God is good.
You know you know Greg here's an.
Application to the thoughts maybe a bit of a corollary instead of assuming the other person which again I said is probably fine. One thing that you can do is simply speak well of your own wife all the time.
And of course you know our wives have their their idiosyncrasies and foibles and temptations and mistakes like anybody else would because they're human. But I find it so so so endearing when people talk positively of their wife publicly.
When men speak publicly very well of their wives because so often men are prone to cutting down their wives just as many wives are prone to cutting down their husbands. It's almost second nature to just kind of riff on your spouse and to critique them and maybe say why you're mad or why you can't believe that they did this or that.
But when I hear people speaking very lovingly and kindly of their spouse I think it's such a good testimony for Christian marriage. And I think that that will go just about as far as anything else will just speaking lovingly and.
Positively of your own spouse. Yeah. You're like your in-laws. You know. And you know I mean perfect. But I mean but saying you know. Hey you know I that because I think Matthew's on to something. You know.
You turn on any show from family guy to you know on. You mentioned the list you know. It loves Raymond. It's all of them. Are you know my spouse is an idiot. Her family or his family. Depending on which spouse is.
Is you know their families. Terrible. I can't stand them. And. And yeah I agree I think if you just say. And I got the greatest in-laws in the world. You know. They treat me like I was their son and not their son-in-law.
You know. And. And my wife is I mean she's stopped in a couple times in this two-hour podcast. I said sweetie you need anything. Can I bring you a drink. Can I bring you you know a snack. It I mean I got.
I got an awesome spouse. My kids have popped in and kissed me two or three times on since we've been online. You know I mean it my goodness. I'm the most blessed guy in the world. Not. And I know each of you feel that way.
And that's the coolest thing about it. Yeah.
I heard a old country preacher say once blaming your wife or cutting down or blaming your spouse or cutting down your spouse is like turning to them and saying there's a hole in your side of the boat.
He goes you guys are on the same boat.
Together you said a bit and and say you know you'll never hear me ever make my bride a butt of a joke. Okay you also very rarely hear me refer to as my wife she's my bride because I still want that honeymoon type mindset.
But the reality is what does my marriage to my bride represent. It represents Christ in the church. Would I want Christ taking that relationship and and making the church the butt of a joke making light of that.
Do I want to take my marriage which represents the the imagery of Christ in the church and make light of that just so that I could feel better about myself and make myself look better in the eyes of others.
Absolutely not. I'm never going to belittle my bride ever because it what it represents. And I think far too many Christians have a low view of what marriage represents in the ministry of God and and we have too high view of what we think marriage should be.
But our marriage is a representation or as Paul says a mystery of Christ relationship to the church. And that's not something to.
Be belittled. Yeah. And I think in terms of culture building as well like when I stopped doing that making my wife the butt of the joke you know just a husband. What. What. I guess the outcome of that is a it's like safety you know she feels safe.
So she'll be willing to do you know more things and not feel like oh well on the back end of this I'm gonna get made fun of or this is gonna be a joke later down the road you know for whatever whatever that may be.
So if you're if you're if you're if you're doing that and you're hearing this I would highly highly recommend stop doing that because yeah it was nothing but good things came from it. From our you know from my experience.
Look I've had I.
Mean where I go wherever I'm traveling people will always know. Because when I leave I go preaching somewhere and I'm gonna head at home. I'm almost always posting. I can't wait to see my bride. Yeah.
And it's thing where so many people come up to me and one they want to know why I refer to as my bride and not my wife. Okay. But the second thing is people always are like you know that's so refreshing to see that I am excited to get home and be with my bride.
Yeah I.
Have a view of her and I think that that's. I think that that's um rare. Like how many. Like how many people do you maybe asking. No you're no you're right. It shouldn't be rare. It shouldn't be rare but the genuine affection that you have for your spouse.
Like how many marriages. Yeah in the United States. Maybe or maybe in the world actually. Like. Would prefer. Like how many husbands would prefer to stay in with their wife on a Friday night rather than go hang.
Out with the guys. No you're right. I think it's I mean this is a self selecting group here on this live stream but I think that goes hand in hand with something I got pushed back with this year to have just stating talking about submissive submissiveness of a wife.
Right. We live in a feminist culture where if you say a wife submits you automatically go all your misogynist you rule with an iron fist and look at I've seen that done incorrectly within a marriage but from friends and family.
But my point is is when you have a husband that lays down his life to his wife like Christ laid down his life. Meaning giving up his self doesn't necessarily mean I'll get you know a jump in front of a bullet for which you could and most men think that's what that means.
It means giving up your own desires yourself your time your selfishness right. Your narcissism. And then you have a wife that submits to the godly head of man boy when both of those are clicking that is such a good godly.
It's it's so aligned perfectly. It's marriage is easy. Marriage becomes easy and people go no no you're crazy. And you're like no it's it's man my wife submits. I have to submit to Christ. She knows that I fear God she she then submits to me.
And then it's like this weird dichotomy. I say weird but it's a biblical dichotomy where then everything starts to work out. Weird in relation to the world in the context. Yeah to the secular world. But then like Chase was saying he put something out there about assuming someone's married or you put something out there about a husband loving their wife.
And a wife submitting. It's like dude the the left and the secular and the pagans they go nuts and they go crazy. And even friends and family sometimes too. Not that I wanted to get into submitting with five minutes left in the live stream.
We could probably go for a long time on that. But Chase did you have anything else. I know you're just on for a few minutes. We got a few minutes left here we're gonna give shoutouts to everyone where they can be followed at to all the for all the listeners and viewers.
But did you have anything else for us Chase before we.
Wrap up. Yeah I would just say even riffing off that you know one of the things I try to train people in my church on is you know they're used to going into a workplace secular workplace on campus or whatever it may be.
And just assuming no one else is a Christian. No one else wants to go to church. And it's the same principle evangelistically easy question is so what did you learn at church on Sunday to somebody that you may or may not be interested in church.
Maybe they just went for the first time maybe they've never gone. And then they say oh I didn't go to church. Oh you should. It's the highest good for your soul. You know. That's corny to say. But just say something to the effect of oh yeah you know you're always welcome to come in mind.
We'd love to have you but just assume you're not. I think most people think they use the quip you know you make an ass out of you. And me and my dad used that on me one time. It was pretty clever of him.
But um you know you don't want to do that. But like you can it's it's fair to just like assume the best of people there's people should want to go to church that live in the Christian life is the most normal way.
God's ways are the most normal way to live. Man the way the world is crazy. It's insane. And I think most of us have seen that at this point. But but yeah just inviting people to church use it as an evangelistic tool.
You want the best for your neighbor. You want the best for for those around you. And it's a great way to show the gospel talk about Jesus and that kind of thing. I love it all.
Right guys we're gonna wrap this up here. I want to give a big thank you and a big shout out before we go around and you guys tell everyone where they can follow you and find you and where your podcast is at.
I want to thank Parker for coming in studio tonight. Watch well podcast. Thanks for so cool for you to be down here. We live about 40 minutes apart so it's it's cool when I can come down there. You can come up here and guys make sure you go check out.
Watch well he was the co-host tonight. It's a great concept of a podcast watch a movie and then talk about it but all within a biblical worldview. Man it was just awesome. So thanks for being here. But let's start with Corey and then we'll go around the horn.
Shout out your socials. Tell people where they can find your podcast. Name of.
It all that good stuff. I'm gonna quickly shout out to my good friend Jacob glass. He's a fellow eschatology matters contributor like with myself and I see him in the comments so hey Jacob nice but but.
So I contribute on eschatology matters. I also have a channel of my own called civically minded. It's weird spelled so see it there on screen. You can find me at civically minded. I have civically minded calm.
You can find me on any of the socials at civically minded and I'd love to interact with any of you. So come check me out. Awesome chase.
How about you throw them out there for people. Tell them what you're up to. Yeah.
You can follow me on twitter at J Chase Davis. I host a podcast called foolproof theology that's F U L L proof theology anywhere podcasts are found. It's also on YouTube post weekly. They're having conversations with people I'm interested in talking to you and so so yeah you can find me there and follow me on Instagram.
All that kind of good stuff awesome. Cody my man let him know what's.
Happening. Yes sir. So go buy stuff for your guitar at Westminster effects calm church history themed guitar effects and listen to the Westminster effects doxology podcast also on YouTube. What. Follow Westminster effects on all the socials.
And I'm on X at Cody fields 864 and tell them my favorite pedal the Joel steam on. What is it called. Oh yeah it's called the Osteen distortion and it.
Goes about semi-viral once a month. Here we go hold on hold on here we go. I just.
I'm very careful about saying who and wouldn't wouldn't go to heaven I just.
Think that only God can judge a person's heart. I don't know. Larry. Larry. He was on Larry King saying that. I don't know who. Yeah. Judge his heart. Okay. He knows about it by the way. And you know.
Yeah. Did you get a cease and desist from him. No I'm.
Up to three cease and desist letters from other companies for accidental trademark infringement but no it's he knows about it. Through a couple of his.
Staff members at this point so he's like attorney's office running through legal. I am legal. All right. Andrew. Tell us what you're about man. Where they can find you.
Well first off thanks for hosting this both Greg and Parker. You guys got some great podcast Edmund walking podcast and watch well podcast. Check them out. I am with striving for eternity as a ministry.
If you want to get me or one of our other speakers to come to your church for a weekend do a weekend seminar teach you about how to interpret the Bible evangelism apologetics social justice a whole lot of topics.
Just go to striving for eternity org if you want to check out my podcasts. My two main ones I do. I have five but the two of that I do mainly is Andrew rap reports rap report to search for rap report with two P's so that is a one hour roughly an hour a week basically dealing with biblical interpretations applications for the Christian life.
And then on Thursday nights 8 to 10 Eastern Time I do a stream called apologetics live. Anyone can come in ask any question they have. I tell people I can answer every question you have about God in the Bible.
Just remember I don't know is a perfectly good answer. So. But no it's a great show. We we teach apologetics we show how to do we explain why we're do what we do. And a lot of times we get people that come in debating me where I didn't know.
I had a debate that night and it's a lot.
Of fun awesome and thanks for being here. Andrew Parker. Yeah the watch. Well.
Podcast. Thanks Andrew. It's one word watch well the watch well podcast we're on YouTube X formerly known as Twitter tick-tock now which I hate but we're on the we're on the tick-tock we're on the tick-tock we're on the tick-tock machine and real quick I just want to shout out Andrew again his apologetics live.
I watched it's a fun it is incredible but yeah what you're able to do and you handle your guests with so much grace and kindness and and it's just really really beneficial to watch so I would recommend everybody out there to go.
Watch that. Yeah. There's about a few in there where they come in and they just want to fight me. Andrew's got to settle them down a little bit you know yeah.
Yeah but you know it's just really good. And then yeah I'm thankful for you having me. Let me know it's great meeting a lot of you guys out there some of the guys that have left. I know these you know three knucklehead knuckleheads on the my right hand side of the screen here.
But uh but but yeah Chase Davis is. It's good to meet you buddy. Thanks for coming. And yeah oh yeah you got to get.
On that Chase Davis. Full foolproof theology. That's good stuff. Yeah I'll check it out. All right guys. Well thanks for sticking with us for so long man. Over two hours we had a couple thousand people jump on lots of guests.
I think we had 12 different guests through the two hours. I really appreciate you guys doing. I want to wish you guys all a Merry Christmas. And remember you can find out more about us at DMW podcast .com.
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Are on sale right now. I'm wearing your shirt by the way. I didn't even see it. Which one is it. Which one is it. It's. It's the theologians one. Oh yeah Calvin.
Yeah nice I love it. Get you one of those two. There you go. Cody's my male model for the night. Awesome. But guys yeah. DMW podcast .com. Remember the chief and a man is to glorify God and enjoy him forever.
God bless. Thanks guys appreciate it guys.
