A Call to Arise and Shine — Tim Conway

The Power of God and the Call to Act in Faith

So what do we need? Max says we need power. That's a good place to start. Power. A demonstration of the Spirit and power. But you know, we don't want to ask God for power and wait around until we think we feel it before we do what the Lord has called us to do.

You remember the priests of old when they approached the River Jordan? They had to put their foot in the river and then the waters were held back and resided. We want to go forth in faith and trust that that power will be there when we need it.

That's what we need. We need the power of God. Let's pray. Lord, Your powerful anointings on Your people of days past. The outpouring of the Spirit there at Pentecost. The grace, the great grace that fell upon them in that early church.

Lord, we can't live on that. And You never meant. You showed us. Those things that You gave us in the Old Testament were meant for our instruction. And You taught us. You showed us. We can't live on the old manna.

The manna has to be new every day. And we need it fresh in our day. We pray for the power of God. Lord, we know that we don't always feel it the way that we think we should feel it. It's not always a wonderful feeling.

The power of God is often manifested in ways that we feel weak. Oftentimes, feel convicted. The Spirit of God comes and convicts us of sin, righteousness, judgment. The power of God. We need it. Lord, we need You to show up.

We need You to be active with Your people. We need the God who acts. That's what we find that the early church was all about. It was about the God who acts. The God who did things. We need the God who acts in our day.

Please, Father, we ask in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Amen. Okay, I'd like to have you turn in your Bibles to Ephesians 5. We sang the song earlier, O Church, Arise. As is the case with so many hymns, so many songs, the words come to us from Scripture.

I'm going to take us to a text where I believe this reality comes. I recognize that there are some places in Isaiah where we might draw from to find that idea of the church arising. But here in Ephesians 5, I'll get right to it.

I'll get right to my point. Verse 14, you'll see these words, Therefore, it says... If you have the New King James or the King James Bible, it says, He says. But whether the original is God says or it, Scripture says, listen to what it says.

Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you. Now notice those words. I recognize right off. We're going to be challenged at first sight. Is this the church that's being addressed?

Or is this lost people? Which one is being addressed here? My first agenda here is to try to sort out the context. Look, I'll tell you right where I'm going with this. I absolutely believe that this is speaking to us.

It's speaking to the church. It's speaking to people that are already alive. You say, wait, wait, wait. It says something about being dead there. Don't you know that we're not spiritually dead? Yes, I think I learned that somewhere along the lines.

The Context of Ephesians 5: Christians as Children of Light

But what I want us to recognize is the context. The context here. And let's just build the context. If we jump in it at 7, therefore do not become partakers with them. We might ask the question right off, who is the them?

Well, if you go back to verse 6, it is those who Paul is saying don't be deceived. He is saying that the sexually immoral and the covetous, they don't inherit the kingdom. And he says the wrath of God is coming upon these people.

These are the people that are being spoken about right here in the word them. Therefore, do not become partakers with them. Christians, this is to you. Don't be partakers with these covetous, sexually immoral people.

In fact, at one time, you were that. You were like them. See, we come from that stock of these people that are under the wrath of God. Formerly, that's exactly where we were. We were these sons of disobedience just like them.

At one time, you were darkness. Now, you are light in the Lord. Walk as children of light. For the fruit of... E-S-V-N-A-S. The fruit of light. That does seem to be consistent with the context. If you've got the New King James, it says the fruit of the Spirit.

But the fruit of the Spirit and the fruit of light, I don't think we're going to argue. I don't think anybody's going to stand up and say, hey, there's a radical difference between those two concepts.

No, there's not. But walk as children of light. For the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true. And try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Now, let's just stop right there.

Try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. We might go to that passage right there and look at all of life and all of Scripture and think about a life that is full of all aspects of pleasing the Lord.

And that would not be wrong to do. But that's kind of missing the context if we do that with this passage. This passage is found in this context. What is the immediate issue? The immediate pleasing to the Lord issue that's on the table?

It's not partaking with them. It's rather being light. And notice, try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. And He's going to tell us right away what's pleasing to the Lord. What He has in mind. This isn't just an off-handed statement meant to sweep us away in something else.

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness. Christian, instead, expose them. Expose the darkness. Now, this is key. This is what the church is called to do. To arise to do. To shine. You remember what Jesus said?

Jesus said in John 7, 7, He said, the world doesn't hate you. He's talking to His brothers. He said, but it hates me. Because He exposed their deeds. And you remember what it says there in John 3. He says, people don't come to the light.

They hate the light. Because their deeds are evil. They won't come to the light. But do you recognize this? What Jesus did that got Him so hated was He exposed people's sin. But do you recognize what He is?

He's a Savior from sin. Do you recognize that Jesus Himself spoke to us in this fashion? Those who are well, they don't need a physician. In other words, if we're going to turn this world upside down, we have to go forth and you have to shine light on people so that they see, I'm ugly, I'm diseased, I need a physician.

That's when people go. That's when they cry out. That's when they call. This is a call to the church really to be evangelistic. And I think we'll see that as we develop this. This is a call to the church to shine light on the wickedness of the world.

To expose that. Because it's only as that is exposed that people come to recognize, I need that blood of Christ to wash me. Brethren, is that the way it was with us? I mean, I remember those days prior to my being converted.

I was telling some of the brethren last night, about two months before the Lord saved me, I came under such conviction. You know, it's like all of us. We're all there. We were all in that camp. We thought we were pretty good people.

Until what? Until something happened. We were exposed to some truth of God. We were exposed to some Christians. Some light that God shined into our consciences and suddenly we recognized, Lord, help me.

Save me. You see, that's what we're being called to here. We're being called to shine. Verse 11, Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret.

Now, verse 13, When anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible. And see, we're light. You are light. That's what he's saying. And anything that is exposed by the light, it becomes visible or it becomes manifest.

Right? That's what happens. You turn on a light. If this place was entirely dark and we came here at night and somebody flips on these lights, suddenly we see, because these lights up here will shed light on all these things, all of us.

And suddenly it makes visible. It makes manifest. That's what we are. We're light because we know the truth. See, darkness and ignorance, they go together in Scripture. Light and truth. And what happens is just like the lights come out in a dark room, we are the lights of the world.

In other words, see, we look out there and we say, is it so dark? It looks beautiful out there. I grew up in the north. Breathing that air. Like we don't get that in Texas. Rarely. That clean air. And you look out there and the sun's shining.

I mean, look at it. It's coming through the doors back there. You can see it outside these windows. Is it dark? You see, the darkness in this world is ignorance. They don't know what you know. They don't know that they're lepers.

They don't recognize that. When anything's exposed by the light, it becomes visible. For anything... Now, I really believe that the ESV misses it here. ESV says this, anything that becomes visible is light.

I just think that's bad. And it's not true. The King James and the New King James say this, they say that whatsoever doth make manifest is light. There's a difference between that. You see what the ESV is saying?

It says anything that becomes visible is light. If I turn that light on, it makes that pew visible. That pew is not light. Light makes manifest. That's not a textual issue. That's a translation issue.

And I think the translators of the ESV and I think the NAS as well, I think they're just wrong there. The New King James has it right. Light makes manifest. Whatsoever makes manifest is light. Not the thing made manifest is light.

I get made manifest by that light when it's on, but that doesn't mean I'm the light. That's the light. Anyway, we keep going here. Therefore, it says... Okay, if you just stop right there. When you get a therefore shot right in at that point, who's he talking to?

Is he talking to the lost here? He's not talking to the lost at all. He's talking to Christians. And he's telling us to be light. And he's telling us to shine in the darkness. And he's telling us to expose their deeds.

And he's telling us that we are light, they are dark, and we are to shine on them and we are to make manifest. Therefore, it says. Or he says. You see, what he's doing is he's backing this up by a quote from somewhere and nobody really knows exactly where because it's not a direct quote.

I think, I think, as I've just scoured Scripture, I've looked at the commentaries, I've looked at what all the authorities have to say, my personal thought here is that this is probably a paraphrase of Isaiah 60.

Arise and Shine in Isaiah 60

I think that's what this is. And put your finger right there. Don't lose that place in Ephesians. But look at Isaiah 60. Let's go over there and look at that. Therefore, as you're looking there, I'm just going to read what Ephesians says.

Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. That's what it says in Ephesians. That's how Paul says it. Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you.

Now, when you get to Isaiah 60, look at the first three verses. Arise. I think nobody's going to argue that that is parallel here. We find that in both places. The idea of arise. The other thing that you'll find here is if you look at the end of verse 2, you find this.

Thick darkness, these peoples, but the Lord will arise upon you. Paul says Christ will shine on you. See, I think it's the same thought. The Lord will arise upon you. He says Christ will shine on you.

Arise. Even this. This is being spoken to the church. Now you say, yeah, but that concept of death isn't here. Well, maybe it is. Maybe it is. Isaiah 60, Behold, darkness shall cover the earth. Thick darkness, the peoples.

I think that's the darkness. That's the place of death. And we are to arise. And we're to come away from that. I think that's the reality here. But let's go back to Ephesians. Let's continue to just move through there.

Therefore it says, Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you. Again, he starts this with a therefore. He's talking to Christians. Therefore, basically reiterating from a quote from somewhere, perhaps Isaiah 60, to affirm the point that he's making.

And when you get to verse 15, he really transitions just exactly the same way. He's still building his case. Look carefully, then or therefore. In other words, he's talking to the same people. He's building the same argument.

And what is it? Then or therefore? Look then. Look therefore to how you walk. Not as unwise, but as wise. Making the best use of the time because the days are evil. And then there's another therefore.

He's just building the same argument. Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. Did you realize he said already, try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. You caught that back just a few verses earlier.

Try to discern what's pleasing to the Lord. And then he comes along here and he says, don't be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. Sometimes we can go here and we can talk about pleasing to the Lord and the will of the Lord and we can talk about all these things.

But you have to recognize in context right here, one of the primary things that Paul is concerned about as pleasing the Lord and being according to the will of the Lord is that we're taking every opportunity to shine.

Redeeming the Time Through Gospel Witness

You want to shine on this world. Brethren, I want to encourage you. The way you're going to turn this world upside down is by the truth. The truth of God's Word. By propagating the Gospel. We talk about power.

You want power? The Gospel is the power of God unto salvation. So take that Gospel out. Brethren, I recognize, we come away. What do we need? What are we going to do? What can you do? I'll tell you one thing you can do.

If you simply determined, you pastors, you churches, if you simply encouraged your people, look brethren, I want to encourage you. We're going to make these tracts available over here. All we're asking each of you to do is take one of those tracts a day.

I mean, just for a month maybe. You say to everybody in the church, here's these tracts. Brethren, encourage one another. Stir up one another to love and good works. And just, all we want you to do is hand out one of these tracts each day for a month.

It's not like at the end of the month, then you're done. Then you start to strategize. You think about maybe other ways you could do it. Maybe there's times when the church can say, you know what, it's summer, it's spring.

Oh, it's beautiful out. Our church meets together, and now we're all together. And we're just going to do this. Part of the service is going to be that when we're done, we're simply going to go out the door and all the kids can get in strollers, and we can go down the streets, and we can just spread out from the church, and we can knock on doors, and we can tell the people, yeah, we meet over here, and we just got done.

We want to tell you about the Lord Jesus Christ. You're going to die someday, and we're here to tell you about it. And you're not as good as you think you are, and you're just shining the light on them.

And they're thinking, what? We hate this. Well, they hated Christ too. And there's obviously skillful ways to do it. We need to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves, but we need to shine. And if you do that kind of thing, you become more relaxed, more acquainted, more comfortable with approaching people, having conversations with people.

And even if you're one of the people that are tongue-tied and you have a real difficulty, you can hand them a good track. I mean, you search them out. Find the best tracks. Oh, we've taken that shocking youth message from Paul Washer on DVD, and we have blanketed the world with that thing.

Do you know how many people have been saved from that sermon? It's phenomenal. You give them a business card that maybe has an I'll Be Honest website on it. And take them to the truth. We can do these kinds of things.

Brethren, let's just think about this text. What I really want us to think about is these words being what pleases the Lord. That we awake. These are strong words. Awake, O sleeper. You see, I believe that this is being addressed to people that are in the church and they're asleep.

Spiritual Sleep and the Church's Indifference

And sleeping in the church is a problem. You can sing songs and you can be asleep. And you can have your Bible in your hand and you can be asleep. And you see, the sleep here is the kind of sleep that takes you away from shining in the dark.

That's precisely what this is. The Young's literal translation reads this way, Arouse thyself, thou who art sleeping, and arise out of the dead. You see, it's a preposition there that means out of, away from the dead, and Christ will shine upon thee.

I mean, it's a preposition. It literally means separation from the dead. That's the emphasis. Arise. Stand up. Get up. Come away from the dead. Come out from among them. That's the issue. If you notice here, Paul does not call these Ephesian Christians dead.

He doesn't call them dead. He calls them sleepers. They have fallen asleep among the dead. And they need to arise and come out of there because they're not dead and they're not dark. And he goes right on to say, look carefully then how you walk.

We need to be careful about our walk. Listen, wisdom. Don't be unwise. Be wise. Be wise. What does wisdom have to do? Wisdom has to do with you doing the things to accomplish your greatest good for the greatest amount of time, obviously.

Yes, wisdom begins in the fear of the Lord, but that's to your greatest interest. The Proverbs say, he who is wise is wise for himself. The reality is wisdom profits you. And you know what he goes on to say?

Be wise. You need to redeem the time. You need to redeem the opportunities. That means you buy it up. That means time can be very valuable for you. And he's saying don't be wise. Don't waste it. You know, Christians can fall asleep and they can be unwise and they don't recognize what the will of the Lord is.

The will of the Lord is that you shine in the darkness. That's what we have here. Perfectly fits the context. I mean, go back to 7. Therefore, do not become partners. Don't stay asleep among the dead.

Don't be partners with them. Don't do the things they do and be among them in the way that you're fellowshipping with them and you're trying to be unequally yoked with them. Don't. Don't be partners. Don't be partakers with them.

Don't go in with them. For at one time you were darkness, but now you're light in the Lord. Walk as children of the light. And in verse 11, he says, take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness. And he says, therefore, awake.

We need to wake up. And it seems very consistent with Isaiah 60. Arise from where? Well, Paul tells us where. Shine, for your light has come. The glory of the Lord Christ has risen upon you. Behold, darkness shall cover the earth and thick darkness the peoples.

I mean, this is where we must arise from. All this thick darkness. This is the darkness of death, but the Lord Christ will arise upon you and His glory will be seen upon you. And you know, Paul talks this way to other Christians in other places.

He uses this kind of language. You remember to the Romans, you know the time. The hour has come for you to wake from sleep. The night is far gone. The day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

To the Corinthians, he says, these are strong words. Wake up from your drunken stupor. Would you like the Apostle Paul to come in here and tell us this? But Christians need that. Now, listen, we're not always in the same place where the Corinthians are at.

We don't always need to be talked to with that kind of language, but that is how he speaks to God's people. Wake up from your drunken stupor. As is right. Do not go on sinning. 1 Thessalonians, you're all children of light, children of the day.

We're not of the night or of the darkness, so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us keep awake. Be sober. In 2 Corinthians, don't be unequally yoked with unbelievers. What fellowship has light with darkness?

We know these texts. Therefore, go out from their midst. Be separate from them, says the Lord. That's it. It's wrong to call Christians dead. Yes, that's precisely the point. You're not dead. So come out from among them.

Friendship with Sinners and Evangelistic Compassion

Don't be partakers with them. Don't stay where they are. That doesn't mean we don't associate with them. This isn't a command to vacate. You remember what was said in 1 Corinthians 5 when it had to do with church discipline?

We're not to avoid all the fornicators and adulterers and the covetous and the thieves and all this in the world, because then we'd have to come out of the world. We avoid the people that profess to be brothers and sisters who do those things.

But no, we do want to eat with those people. We want to bring them in, not to have fellowship with them. Jesus ate. There was such an approachableness to Christ. Jesus ate with sinners. You remember the Pharisees, they'd go to His disciples.

He's eating with tax collectors. What's this guy doing? He's a friend of sinners. They thought a derogatory statement. That's who we should be. He's bidding us to follow Him. We need to be friends to these sinners.

You're being no friends to these people out here if you have the truth and you're in the light and you know and you don't take that remedy to heal their disease. You're no friend of them. Indifference.

You know, sometimes we think about love, what's the opposite? I mean, you immediately say hate. You know, we've got this idea of fighting against somebody and a real hatred. A lot of times the opposite of love is just indifference.

I just don't care. I don't notice them. Brethren, listen to this. You were darkness. Therefore, do not become partners with them. Remember these sons of disobedience from verse six. For at one time you were darkness.

You know, it's one thing if you can't identify with these people out here. The thing is we can. We used to be just like them. We were there. We were in the dark. And these are absolute terms because we're not dark anymore.

Now we're light. This is the difference between Christians and all others. It's a radical difference. It's absolute. There's no in-betweens. There's no half Christians here. You're either light or you're dark.

At one time, but now. That's how He talks. You were, you are. A great change has come upon us. And notice, Paul doesn't say we were in the dark. It's worse than that. Once we were darkness itself, we were darkness.

Whatever light was in Adam, when God created him, it went out. When you see Adam and Eve put out of that garden, we just, all the light is gone. Sin put man's light out. Man has darkness within and man is full of darkness and man himself is dark.

All is dark. And they love dark. And that's what Jesus said. Do you remember how Paul put it? We heard about 2 Corinthians 3, and I would add four to that. Just glorious, glorious. What does God do? Now, now we are light.

What did God do? God who said, let light shine out of darkness has shown in our hearts to give us light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. You see, the thing is, we haven't just been enlightened or brought into the light.

Now you are light. You're radically different. You are light. The light's entered you. The light's filled you. The rays of light are just not simply shed upon you. I mean, Christian, you are the lights of the world.

You're possessed by the light. That's the picture here. The light's entered you. It's filled you. It's lighted you up. The light shines within. Christian is just filled with light. And so what? Don't fall asleep among the dead.

Don't fall asleep among the dark. That's the thing, you're children of light. Arise. Arise and Christ's glory will be seen upon you. Get out of the cemetery. That's what's being, I mean, you think about cemeteries.

Demoniacs live in cemeteries. Get out of there. Not children of light. You're the light of the world. I mean, a city set on a hill. It can't be hidden. And it shouldn't be hidden. We shouldn't try to hide it.

But that's what happens when we fall asleep. Pleasing the Lord, the will of the Lord. You see, this is what he's talking about. We have to live our Christian life in this world. Christian, what is God's will for you?

Here it is. This is what it's saying. Don't fall into the same dark deeds and ways as the children of darkness. Arise from there. Show yourself to be the people of the living God. He's your Father. You've been saved by Christ.

Wake Up to the Reality of Spiritual Warfare

Wake up. This is a message. Wake up, church of God. Wake up. We get lulled to sleep. This enemy, this enemy that we have. I talked last night about the fact that a flood comes out of His mouth. He seeks to attack the woman with this flood.

What comes out of His mouth are lies. And you know what he says? He just, Christians, things are okay. You're a Christian now. Everything is good. What really matters is you have a good church. Your trials aren't too great.

You have enough money in your pocket. The job's going okay. The children are healthy right now. Just, it's good. Go have a picnic. Go enjoy yourself. Concern yourself with the curriculum for the children.

Concern yourself for the drapes in the bedroom. You got to go shopping. You need blueberries today. Just, everything is okay. Just go to sleep. There's no war. There's no, your neighbors are okay. Look at them.

Their grass is green. The birds are singing in their yard. Look, they smile. You smiled at each other. Everything is good. See them go out to get the mail. They're over there healthy. See them jogging up and down the street.

They're riding their bike. Everything is good. Country's good. Got somebody conservative in the White House. It's all good. Just go to sleep. And he's just, yeah. We think, you know how it was. Pilgrim's progress.

They came to the enchanted ground. I think it was hopeful. He said, let's just lay down and go to sleep. Christian said, no, no, no. You don't want to go to sleep here. Remember the shepherds warned us.

You go to sleep here. You may never wake up. He just, he's a liar. And we need to wake up. It's like we were talking about being alert. We need to wake up. Because the truth is, it's not okay. It is the blackness of darkness.

In their minds and in their souls, they are the darkness. And you are the light. Well, there may be some in here that are still in their darkness. There's a number of you. You're in the light. Wake up.

Wake up. The world is in the dark. The world hates me because I testify about it that its works are evil. And you know what, that's hard. Because if you're gonna shine the light, you've gotta go to them and you've gotta say to them, it is not well with your soul.

Death is coming and you're not ready. And God provided a means and it's on that cross. He paid for sin. They know Christ died on the cross. They know that happened. But they don't appreciate what He did.

They have no love for that. They don't know what that's about. They feel like, well, you know, we know He did something. We're not exactly certain. I know there's a lot of Jews in the area. They despise Him altogether.

Don't bring His name up. The reality is, people basically think, you know it, you know they are in the dark and they don't recognize God's demands and they don't know about God's holiness. And the fear of God has not touched these people.

They are heading through life and they're just thinking it's okay. You know what would happen if everybody out there right now suddenly saw themselves in a hundred years where they are and what they're enduring, what they're going through?

Do you recognize if all these people out here suddenly had their eyes open to hell and eternal destruction and could taste it for a few seconds? What do you think this place would look like? What do you think Long Island would look like if the people saw for five seconds the hell, the lake of fire that they are to be immersed in shortly and they saw that and suddenly it was taken away and they were back here?

Do you know what would happen? We would not go out there the way things are. It would be totally different. You see, they go on. People can live their lives and you know what Scripture says, peace and safety, peace and safety.

That's how people talk. That's how it says it there in 2 Thessalonians. Peace and safety. And then, I guess that's 1 Thessalonians, then sudden destruction, sudden destruction. That's how they're living, peace and safety.

They think it's okay, peace. I mean, yeah, I'm good with the man upstairs. You know, he and I are on right terms. You know how they talk. Ah, you know, I'm not perfect, but I never killed anybody and I never raped anybody.

And even if they have, they still think they're pretty good people. I remember Ray Comfort went into prison one time, talking to felons. These are murderers and rapists. And he went through and he interviewed them.

And one after another, after another, I'm basically a pretty good person at heart. That's what they said. That's darkness. That's people that are in this dark. They're deceived. And Jesus, He shined the light on people and they didn't like it.

Sin, Self-Righteousness, and the Need for Salvation

And they won't like it when you do it either. But brethren, it's the most loving thing that you can do. One of the things about loving sinners, loving those in the dark, is it's hard because we have to overcome that reality that they're not gonna like it.

It's uncomfortable. They will hate us. They will despise us. People do not like to be told that they're sinners. Why? Because man's basic problem is pride. And he is self-righteous and he thinks that he is good.

Man is trusting in his own accomplishment, in his own righteousness, in his own goodness. You know it full well. We see it everywhere. And when you shine that light on them and you say, no, no, liars.

Liars, they find their place in the lake of fire. We're all born liars. And you don't have to go very far in convincing people that they're liars. And Scripture says, lake of fire. The wages of sin is death.

And we can't get away from it. And you see, people don't know that. I didn't know that. I just thought, I thought what you thought. I mean, I remember when I was a kid, mom, one time I got concerned about my soul.

I don't remember why. My mom was in my bedroom, ironing. And I went in there, mom, what do I have to do to get to heaven? She said, oh, keep the 10 commandments. I mean, she was dead serious. My mom, born and raised Catholic.

So I went. Big family Bible. I got in the front and it told where the 10 commandments were. I went, I read through them. Like, oh, I've never done that. Never done that. Well, I got to do better at that one.

Had to do. Yeah, I was just, I was probably 12 years old. But you know what the thought was? Nothing jumped out at me that, I knew that I had not kept all those perfect, but nothing jumped out at me like, okay, everybody's cursed.

Who does not keep everything in the book of the law. I mean, that didn't jump out at me. It jumped out at me as, oh, I have to try harder. And we all have that mindset. I mean, I just have to try harder.

And because if I do some good, that good is going to cover up. We all have that scale mindset. You know, if we were open, the good's going to outweigh the bad in the end. Brethren, this is the world that we live in.

And Christ said this, the light has come into the world and everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his work should be exposed. You see, that's what happens when you come to the light.

That's what happens when the light goes to them. Their deeds get exposed. That's what you have to do. Brethren, that's what we have to do. We have to expose the disease. And you know, people don't like it.

You know, if you're sitting on a bus with somebody, you're sitting on an airplane with somebody. Now there's ways to do this. And you can definitely, you know, this doesn't say we have to blast people.