F4F | Michael Brown Obfuscates RE Ken Copeland's Heresies

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Welcome to another installment of Fighting for the Faith. My name is Chris Roseboro. I am your servant in Jesus Christ.

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We have an important topic today. We're gonna get right to it, so don't forget to like the video, ring the bell, subscribe, and all that important stuff so that you can get notifications when we update the channel.

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We're gonna be heading over to the YouTube channel of Dr. Michael Brown. Dr. Michael Brown recently did an entire program dedicated to what

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I can only describe as obfuscation, when it comes to Kenneth Copeland.

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Now, over and again I've referred to Dr. Michael Brown as the apostle of obfuscation, and we will continue with that tradition even more so today.

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Case in point, let me pull this up. Here we go. If you recall back at the end of May, Inside Edition released video of an interview that they did with Kenneth Copeland.

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A roving reporter somehow was able to corner Kenneth Copeland and ask him hard -hitting questions regarding why he claimed that riding in coach would be the equivalent of getting in a tube with demons, and she talked about his extravagant wealth and his multiple airplanes.

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We know for sure that Ken Copeland owns at least three private airplanes, two of them of the jet class for sure, and of course this thing made the rounds.

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It went viral, and Dr. Michael Brown, true to Dr. Michael Brown, got on the airwaves and basically engaged in obfuscation, and used the occasion not to warn people about Kenneth Copeland.

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The worst he could say about him is, if Justin Peters' charges against Copeland are true, if they are, well then he's a heretic.

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But he would, he made no effort whatsoever to investigate the evidence for the claims that Justin Peters was making, and I'm not going to play the whole episode and review it here.

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We're just going to note particular tactics that he was engaging in. So Dr. Michael Brown used the occasion of this episode of his firing line,

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Ask Dr. Brown show, to basically warn people about hyper -criticism.

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So apparently it's possible, and I have to kind of put it this way, because Dr. Michael Brown is a master of obfuscation.

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He never really comes right out and says whether or not Kenneth Copeland is a prosperity heretic.

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He may be, he may not be, but that's not my job to tell until Jesus tells me to do that down, down, down, down, down in my heart.

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Yeah, down in my heart. Yeah, down in my heart. And instead, so what he does is he creates these false narratives to give potential opposite explanations as to why we see and hear things from Ken Copeland and Benny Hinn and others, and the obfuscation is just off the chain.

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And along the way we'll do some really real evidence, fact -checking regarding Kenneth Copeland and the message he preaches, to demonstrate that Michael Brown, again, has lived up to his title that we've given him here at Fighting for the

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Faith, the Apostle of Obfuscation. So let's dive in, and we're gonna review select portions of his program, and notice the rhetorical strategies that he's engaging in.

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So let's get to it, we'll comment along the way, here we go. ...tells me to, because I'm busy doing his work.

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When he tells me to stop doing this, to address that one, I'll do it. Right, yeah, he will only address

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Ken Copeland directly when Jesus tells him directly to do that. But I'll give you an example.

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Alright, yeah. Justin posted the other day that I claim, when I went on Benny Hinn Show, I claim to be ignorant of Benny Hinn's teachings.

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That's not correct, that's not accurate, as I wrote to him today. That's not accurate. Here's what happened. Alright, so now

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I'm gonna throw this out here. So he used the occasion, second half of his program, read out a private email that Justin Peters sent to him.

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Justin Peters gave him permission to read out that email, and so Michael Brown here is going on, you know, correcting the record, and if you remember a way back,

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Michael Brown appeared on Benny Hinn's program, and of course Benny Hinn is like the poster child for the

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Prosperity Heresy. He and Kenneth Copeland, they're practically the Wonder Twins when it comes to the

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Prosperity Heresy, and Michael Brown still went on his program, and now he's going to explain why and what he was thinking, and again note, the purpose of this program is really to warn people about hypercritics.

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Mm -hmm, yeah. I had played clips on my show of teachings from Benny Hinn that I found to be dangerous and wrong and erroneous.

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Okay, clips, I played, little gods, your little gods and other stuff like that. I played clips, I critiqued it.

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A grad from my ministry school that has spent many, many months traveling with Benny Hinn said, Dr. Brown, I think you should really get to know him because it's stuff he doesn't teach anymore and other things he no longer holds to.

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So I got online and I saw here he repudiated this message here, he repudiated that message there.

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I thought, all right, I don't know what to make of it. I then got an invitation to come on a show and one of the—

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Now again, this is told in the context of the kerfuffle and the viral video regarding Inside Edition's interview with Kenneth Copeland.

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The reason why he's telling this story is because this somehow potentially, maybe, what's really going on with Ken Copeland, we can't really be sure.

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We continue. The subjects we were going to discuss was hyper -grace and I thought, okay, if I can reach his audience and talk about hyper -grace because he's got a big

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TBN audience in other places, it might be worth it. Let me pray about it, let me think about it.

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Then I talked to others close to him and I said, look, this is important to me, this is important to me, this is important to me, this is important to me.

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I differ with this, with this, with this. And they said, Dr. Brown, you'll find that Benny Hinn agrees with this and this and this and this.

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And you may have heard this about him but it's either in the past and he doesn't hold to it anymore or it's been exaggerated.

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So— All right, so, yeah, so, you know, Benny Hinn, you know, he's held to things in the past and he doesn't hold to them anymore or it's been over -exaggerated.

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Why is he saying this? Well, because he's, at this point, positing in people's minds the idea that maybe what we're really experiencing with Kenneth Copeland is things that he's taught in the past, he doesn't teach them anymore.

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And maybe, maybe, he, you know, he, you know, he's a little different than that. Or maybe he's just the, he's just a victim of hyper -criticism and things like that.

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The reason why he's telling this story is because he's positing it in people's minds as a possible explanation as to what's going on regarding Ken Copeland.

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This is a rhetorical form of obfuscation. He's basically spinning a false narrative by inference.

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It's exactly what the serpent did in the garden, by the way. And we're gonna note here, if Benny Hinn had truly repented, then we would expect from him is something like this.

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Yeah, you'll note that Kosti Hinn, his nephew, is going to, he's, this book is coming out soon,

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God Greed and the Prosperity Gospel, How Truth Overwhelms a Life Built on Lies.

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Kosti Hinn has repented of the prosperity heresy. He's traveled the world with Benny Hinn, driven in cars, and then multiple, multiple cars, vehicles that cost hundreds and thousands of dollars, all because he was helping out

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Uncle Benny. And he's repented of all of that. And his repentance is out there for everybody to see and to hear, and he's making sure to warn everybody that what he was engaged in was heresy, that what he was engaged in was exploitive of the poor and those who were financially and medically in need and things like that.

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And so he, if Benny Hinn had truly repented, then we would expect

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Benny Hinn to be doing the same thing that Kosti is doing.

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But you're gonna note here that, well, you know, people that I know who know him have said these things.

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Who are they? I know, I can't say who they are, but he doesn't believe those things anymore, and he's the victim of exaggeration and stuff and stuff.

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Uh -huh, yeah. Because I get lied about all the time and misrepresented, I thought, here's what

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I'm gonna do. I got this invitation. I'm gonna get to spend time with him one -on -one. I am going to walk through that door to reach his audience and then make a fresh evaluation.

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In other words, I know all the evidence. He's not ignorant. I know all this evidence against him. I played clips from it on the air in the past to critique.

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And now I'm having others that I trust saying that's not accurate, that's not true, et cetera. So what did

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I do? I said, all right, I'm gonna go in with a clean slate. Yeah, where is Benny Hinn's public repentance of the prosperity heresy?

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I'd like to see that video. As if I don't know anything. That's not ignorant. That was my strategy.

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I'm going to go in. I've heard the negative. I've heard people saying that he's repented of the negative or the negative was exaggerated.

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I'll go in. Negative, exaggerated. See, he repented, but not publicly. How do you know he's repented?

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Well, because people I know and trust say he has. Trust me. Face -to -face, all right?

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And ultimately, though, four shows were aired talking about messianic prophecy and other things. The Hyper Grace show never aired.

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If I knew that show was not going to air, I would not have done the interview. Was it a mistake to do the interviews anyway?

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Maybe. Could be. Could well be. My friend Dr. James, this side, that side.

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Let me go in and let the man speak for himself. And then I followed up with a private letter to him raising some serious differences and urging him to call out certain people for carnal fundraising and other things like that.

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Okay? Carnal fundraising. Yes, it's not the prosperity heresy. It's it's carnal fundraising.

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Right. That sounds like a euphemism to me. I did that privately. And that's the only contact. That's where it ended.

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I don't know whatever happened after that. And I've had no contact since. And if I was invited on the air tomorrow with him, I wouldn't do it.

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Okay. Now, the reason he's telling this story is because he's positing via inference that this is this is a potential explanation as to what's going on with brother

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Copeland. You know, he's he's the victim of, you know, hyper criticism. And he's either maybe stuff he's teaching today that he taught in the past that he's not teaching anymore.

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He's repented, but never publicly. But I did it strategically then. Was it a right move or not?

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Maybe a wrong move, but I did it with a pure heart to honor the Lord. All right. And I did it to try to reach other people.

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And I hope you would want me to do the same with you. All right. If if you had a mountain of evidence against you, but but others were saying, no, no, it's not true.

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He's repented of that. Others. No, no, he's repented. How does somebody who publicly teaches heresy privately repent of it?

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You said, Dr. Brown, can we talk face to face? I would hope that you'd say, yeah, well, let's do that and sort things out.

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All right. So. Kenneth Copeland, again, no. So the reason why he said this is because he's trying to posit the possibility that Ken Copeland is a victim of hyper criticism is classic word of faith teacher.

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Yes. So he refers to Oral Roberts as a mentor. He would have come out of teaching from Kenneth Hagan.

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Now, interesting, Kenneth Hagan put out a book later in life about the miser's touch, warning that the message of prosperity had had gone off the rails.

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So, again, the reason he's mentioning Hagan here is because Ken, he's probably repented privately of his public heresies.

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Yeah, that's not how one repents of public heresy, that the message of God providing and blessing his people so that they can be a blessing to others, that that message had gone off the rails and in going off the rails, he was now warning about it and saying there's danger.

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But word of faith teachers would emphasize the power of confession, that we speak the word, that our reality is determined by what the word says, not by what circumstances say, that when

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Jesus died on the cross, he not only paid for our sins, but our sicknesses so that because he already died on the cross by stripes were healed, were already healed.

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And we just have to appropriate it, that words have power, that we can create certain realities with our words, etc.

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Yeah, because the tacit doctrine behind all this, it used to not be tacit, used to be overtly taught, is that we're little gods.

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And some hold to a terribly defective view of atonement, it might, others hold to a view of atonement that is absolutely heretical, and others are believers.

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Yeah, Ken Copeland believes that Jesus suffered in hell for our sins.

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Believers that I've known for decades that are mainstream believers that emphasize certain points. All right, so I want to focus on two parts of this interview with Kenneth Copeland, where the discussion comes up about living a wealthy lifestyle and prospering.

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Here's the blessing of Abraham. Abraham was extremely wealthy.

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Yeah, by the way, read the book of Galatians. The blessing of Abraham is through his seed, who is

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Christ. The blessing of Abraham to the whole world, through whom the whole world would be blessed, is

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Christ. Yeah, Jesus is the blessing of Abraham to the world.

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And he had covenant with God. It's not the Jewish blessing, it's the

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Abrahamic blessing. God, I get excited talking about it because I love it. And I started out deep in debt with nothing.

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Galatians chapter three, if you belong to Christ, then are you

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Abraham's seed and heirs according to his promise.

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And his promise was great wealth. Now, he's not going to critique this theology.

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Maybe it's because it's so patently heretical on its face. All right, so he's explaining his theology, why he believes that God blesses his people with wealth, that it is a covenant blessing.

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And for a fellow who is a Messianic Jew, I find it fascinating that you've offered zero critique of this false understanding of the

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Abrahamic covenant. And then he's asked directly about the way he lives and being a wealthy man personally.

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So let's listen to his response when he's asked directly, well, how about the way you live?

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What about your wealth? Isn't that wrong for a preacher? Here's his response. You are living a life of luxury.

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You've got great homes. You've got great planes. You drive in limos. Notice he just affirmed that he has planes, plural.

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Yeah, I think he's got a citation, Cessna citation 10 for sure, and a Gulfstream 5 for sure, just putting it out there.

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Very wealthy man. You're a very wealthy man. Yes. Yeah. And some people would say that, is it a preacher?

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May I add something to that? My wealth doesn't come from offerings alone.

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You sell things, books and DVDs. Yes, and I have a lot of natural gas on our property.

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Now, one friend of mine... Notice, Michael Brown is offering no biblical critique or warning about any of the things that Kenneth Copeland said in his

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Inside Edition interview. Told me that over the years... Now, I'm going to back this up because I want you to watch where he goes from here.

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I mean, Ken Copeland straight up, straight up said that the promise of the

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Abrahamic covenant, the blessing of the Abrahamic covenant, is wealth. This is a guy who knows

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Hebrew very well. This is a man who debates orthodox rabbis trying to show them from the scriptures that Jesus Christ is the promised

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Messiah. And he does a pretty good job of that, by the way. This is a man who, when it comes to his understanding of biblical

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Hebrew, he's not a slouch at all. He's heard Kenneth Copeland mangle and misappropriate the promise of the

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Abrahamic covenant to wealth, and he's offered nothing. Zero criticism.

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Instead, where is he going to go here? He's going to go to the same place he just went regarding Benny Hinn.

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I'm going to back it up just a smidge. Listen again. And I have a lot of natural gas on our property.

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Now, one friend of mine told me that over the years,

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Kenneth Copeland's ministry has donated more than 50 million dollars to their outreach overseas.

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It's a massive missions organization. Others have told me that he's one of the most generous men on the planet.

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These unnamed other people. I mean, there were people who would argue that Stalin was just a really nice guy.

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He really was. And using the way Michael Brown is, the rhetoric that he's engaging in, again, this is a false narrative inference.

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That Kenneth Copeland is just a misunderstood fellow. Maybe like how

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Stalin was misunderstood. Here we've got a photograph of Stalin, and look, he's hugging a child, and they're holding flowers.

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I mean, we can't prove for sure. Maybe Stalin's a victim of hyper -criticism when it comes to the claims that he engaged in genocide.

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Yeah, because he did. In fact, Stalin murdered more of his people than Hitler murdered of his.

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I'm just saying. So the rhetoric that Michael Brown is engaging in here, again, total obfuscation.

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And others would say, who cares how generous he is? He's fleecing the flock. He's getting wealthy off the offerings of poor widows.

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He's misleading people about God's will to heal, et cetera, et cetera. So here's what we're going to do.

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All right. So he offered no criticism, none whatsoever. So we're going to do a little bit of work here.

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And I'm going to point out a couple of things from the Inside Edition interview, at least maybe one thing.

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I want you to listen to this question, and we'll do a little historical corrective, if you would.

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Listen to how this interview went. You said that you don't like to fly commercial because you don't want to get into a tube with a bunch of demons.

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Do you really believe that human beings are demons? No, I do not. And don't you ever say I did.

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Let's listen to the December 26, 2015 episode of the Believer's Voice of Victory.

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We'll just do a little fact checking here. But first, before I read this scripture, Amos chapter 6,

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Brother Copeland, I was flying home from a meeting and I had come out of a glorious meeting.

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I had just finished me and Creflo Dollar were preaching. Had a glorious meeting. Duplantis and Creflo Dollar hanging out together.

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You know, we call that a wolf pack. So I was, for lack of a better way to say it, I was spiritually high.

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People were saved, touched, and blessed. Got in the plane that God so graciously gave us. We're flying home.

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As I was going home, the Lord real quickly, he said, Jesse, do you like your plane? You know,

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I thought that's an odd statement. He gave, I said, well, certainly, Lord. He said, do you really like it?

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And I thought, well, yes, Lord. He said, then he said this. So that's it? I didn't know how to handle it.

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I went, what? He said, you're going to let your fate stagnate. And when he said that, that shocked me.

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I went, whoa, wait. I literally unbuckled my seatbelt in my plane and I stood up. My pilots looked at me and said, do you need something?

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I said, no, no, I'm talking to God right now. And he went back to flying. I said, Lord, I don't think

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I was letting my fate stagnate. He said, so this is all I could ever do. I said, you want, you're trying to tell me something.

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He said, go to the book of Amos. So if you're at the book of Amos, I want to read the scripture. Yes, sir. You couldn't have done that on an airliner.

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No, sir. No way. Stand up and say, what'd you say, Lord? No. Okay. Apparently you can't do that on an airliner.

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Got to keep your seat belt fastened, you know, in case there's turbulence. So you couldn't, you couldn't stand up and talk to God.

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Oh yeah. And the guy sitting over there saying, what the hell does he think he's doing? You can't do that. You can't do that.

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No, no. This is so important. And those of you that are, apparently you can't hear from God and talk to him while flying coach.

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Just now coming into these things, um, in, in the first place, Jesse and, and, and, and I, and, and others,

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Keith Moore and Creflo and all of us, they, the world is in such a shape.

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We can't get there without this. We've got to have this. We would have the mess that the airlines are in today.

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I would have to stop. I'm being very conservative at least 75 to 80, more like 90 % of what we're doing because you can't get there from here.

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It's impossible. So we, we, and this was such a good illustration. I just, the

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Lord impressed me. That's why we're on that airplane. We can talk to God.

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We can, we, it's, when I was flying for Oral Roberts, the brother of Deweese, my, my boss on the airplane, he said, now,

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Kenneth, this is sanctuary. It protects the anointing on, on, uh, uh, brother

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Roberts. And he said, you keep your mouth shut. Don't talk to him unless he talks. Because when he's on a meeting, he doesn't talk to anybody but God.

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Now, Oral used to fly airlines, but even back there then, man, it got to the place where it was agitating his spirit, people coming up to him.

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He had become famous and they wanted him to pray for him and all that. You, you can't, you can't manage that today.

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This dope filled world and get in an air, get in a long tube with a bunch of demons.

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And it's deadly. Yeah. He did say get into a long tube with a bunch of demons and, and yet he was wagging his finger.

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Don't you dare say I ever said that. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. All right. So, uh, we noted that Michael Brown is engaging in obfuscation obfuscation by basically trying to infer, well, you know,

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Ken Copeland's just the victim of hyper criticism. And he's privately, I've got people who've told me,

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I won't tell you their names, but privately he's, you know, and he's repented and stuff of some of the things he said in the past and stuff, but it's, you know, although he taught these heresies publicly, he never publicly repented of those things.

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So we'll fast forward a little bit and, uh, note the next tactic that Michael Brown engages in as he's reading out the last part of Justin Peters, uh, email to him.

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And I think Justin Peters has a great point, but we'll, we'll let Michael Brown kind of explain.

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Justin writes this. It troubles me greatly that you would call a man who is as manifestly evil as he, a brother.

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Yes, I know you say you do not agree with all of his teachings, but you still affirm a man who is quite likely the most brazen and obvious false prophet in the entire history of the charismatic church, a brother.

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He has uttered the most vile and despicable heresies imaginable, and to make matters worse, exponentially worse, has attributed these same heresies to God himself.

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He claims that God gave him the heresies he spews. He unashamedly teaches prosperity theology. He unashamedly exploits the poor, sick and widows for personal financial gain.

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He unashamedly blames the sick for being sick. If someone is sick, it is his or her own fault. He has been challenged literally for decades now and yet remains unrepentant.

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Okay, so let me just say this. All right, so here, here comes the strongest statement that Michael Brown will say about Kenneth Copeland, and it's the statement, if, if, if everything

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Justin Peters said there is accurate, even if 40 percent of it's accurate, even if 25 percent of it's accurate, even if 70 percent of it's accurate, if Copeland has uttered the most vile and despicable heresies imaginable, he has, and has knowingly and willingly exploited the, exploited the poor and widows, he does, and has blamed the sick for being sick.

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Yes, then the man is a false prophet, a false teacher, a heretic. Yes, see, there's the strongest statement, if, but see, then, you know, no sooner does he say this, but, you know, he has no time.

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Jesus hasn't told him to go out and police these things, and, and he already told us the story of Benny Hinn and how he used to play clips from Benny Hinn, and, and he was contacted privately, and privately he doesn't believe these things anymore.

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He repented and stuff, and, and he's already put it out there that Ken Copeland is the most generous fellow ever, you know, 50 million dollars of generosity, and, and so, you know, he, he's just probably the victim of hyper -criticism.

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Yeah, so what we're going to do next, what we're going to do next is we're going to do a little bit of review.

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We're going to do a little bit review. We've already taken a look at, you know, he and Jesse talking about their private jets.

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We've already noted that things he said, he, he's denied. We've also noted that Michael Brown, in hearing

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Kenneth Copeland mangle up the Abrahamic covenant and the promises of blessing associated with it, and attributing, and, you know, misappropriating it to wealth, didn't offer a single word of criticism, just played it, and then the hardest thing that he can say is, if, if, if what

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Justin Peters has said about Kenneth Copeland is true, if, well, then, then he's a heretic.

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So let's do a little bit of review, shall we? This is a montage of Kenneth Copeland teaching the prosperity heresy and exploiting people, and you'll note that as we're getting started here, that's

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Justin Peters, uh, off. He is the fellow on the left -hand side of the screen, you know, in the, in the chair.

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You can see half of him wearing the red shirt. That's Justin Peters. He was at this particular, at least when this montage starts, that Justin Peters was in there.

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People that get all upset at preachers who preach prosperity never have taken the time to pray and see if God wanted them to prosper financially for some reason or another.

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God needs you saved. He needs you, fellow of the Holy Ghost. He needs you well, and he needs you strong, and he needs you rich.

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I have the power to get wealth. The blessing of the Lord is on the inside of me. I release that power.

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There's financial greatness on the inside. Oh, thank you, Lord God. I am an extremely wealthy person.

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I'm good enough, and I'm smart enough, and gosh darn it, people like me. And you have some fancy clothes.

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I mean, for a pastor, you are living a life of luxury. You've got great homes. You've got great planes.

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You drive in limos. I'm a very wealthy man. You're a very wealthy man. Yes. To those critics that say that a preacher should not be living a life of luxury, what is your response to that?

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They're wrong. Is it God's will to heal?

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If so, is it his will to heal me? The answer is yes and yes.

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Healing belongs to you and me. It is paid for lock, stock, and barrel, and there was an enormous price paid for it, and if you will just relax and receive it, it's belonged to you for 2 ,000 years.

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Hallelujah. We're rich now. You were in an atmosphere listening to Brother Hagin, listening to Brother Roberts, and you were in the

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Word when you made that discovery, so it doesn't just come out of just a service once in a while.

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When he mentioned several series that are available, you find out how serious you are about coming out of debt by finding out what you put in to draw that blessing out.

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Yeah, by put in, she means sending money. I'll show you another video in a minute.

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Let's receive our evening offering this evening and give you a chance to raise your income.

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Yeah, you give to God in order to get from God. Praise God. All of our conversations, it's overwhelming just the fact of not understanding this and just the revelation that I've learned just by reading the blessing book, the law of prosperity.

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I've just been overtaken by the reality of blessing that came through the Abrahamic covenant the whole way through, and then we're a seed of Abraham.

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And you hit the key right there. That's it. Jesus said, lay up for yourself treasure in heaven.

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We took our little magic religious pencil and put right in there, and you can't touch it till you get here.

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You have treasure in heaven? He didn't say you couldn't get it out because the scripture, other scriptures say that lay up in store that you may lay hold of it.

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You have a heavenly account. Do you have enough money in the bank right now to last five years or something?

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What happened? Then you're broke. You got some income.

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You got some income. My brother Copeland, I've got $50 ,000 in the bank.

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Then you don't have any money. That's not enough. You're thinking poor.

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Your soul's not prospering. Start thinking rich.

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I guess it just wasn't God's will to heal me. That is a lie.

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Well, I don't understand why God healed them and he won't heal me. Could it be by some stretch of the imagination?

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Oh, probably not. But could it be that is your fault, not

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God's? Oh yeah. Yeah.

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It's your fault that you're not healed and you're not wealthy. Not God's.

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Say it. Oh yeah. I declare, saith the

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Lord, every person that has made the decision to be debt -free,

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I declare you debt -free today, saith God. And so he put those words in the mouth of God himself.

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Yeah. Justin Peters, what he said, Kenneth Copeland preaches and teaches is exactly what

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Kenneth Copeland preaches and teaches. And isn't it weird that Michael Brown, well, the Lord isn't leading him to actually check the evidence or anything.

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All right. So that was a little bit of a montage.

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Let's take a look at another bit published on the Kenneth Copeland Ministries YouTube channel on August 8th, 2017.

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This is an interesting little bit of heresy here. Financial breakthrough.

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Let's listen to this. Here we go. Tonight's offering will be a named seed.

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Tonight's offering will be a named seed. What? I remember during World War II when nearly everybody, particularly us country folks, we had what they call victory gardens because vegetables were hard to get and all that, a lot of ration stuff.

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Well, of course my mother was a farmer. I mean, she and mama couldn't plant a garden. I mean, it just, it looked like it just, it just, it just looked like it just almost spring up at once.

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And she, she was so blessed. And so we had victory garden and mama would go to the store and buy the seed.

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And, and, and the government in those days, instead of buying you food, they bought you seed.

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Well, that makes better sense to me. Amen. And you could get, you could get good seed.

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I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't bad or mingled or, or spoiled seed is good seed.

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And, uh, came in those little packages and had a little stick in the package.

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And you, you take the, the little stick out, you plant the seed, and then you take that stick and stick it in the slots in that little seed package.

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And you put that up at the end of the row. And there was a picture on the front of it of what you planted in that row.

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That's nice. You know what you planted there. So later on, you're not trying to eat, you know, chrysanthemums or something.

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Anyway, I guess that's the way you say that. Chrysanthemums. Yeah. Amen.

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So this is a scriptural thing. All right.

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So he said tonight's offering is going to be named seed. He's given the example of, well, you know, you, you, you, you plant a row of seeds and then you put the picture up.

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And so what you, which so is what you're going to get. Now, uh, just a few minutes later, he's able to get a couple hundred bucks from his wife,

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Gloria. He's holding them in his hand and he's going to explain a little bit more about this so -called biblical principle.

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And you sow it into a ministry. You sow it into somebody's life.

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You yeah. Money is a seed. You sow it. You sow it in whatever direction the

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Lord tells you to sow it. Then the money is the carrier and you water it with your praise.

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So the money is the carrier. It's the seed and you water it with your praise. No biblical text teaches this and it will harvest the destiny and the harvest or in the case of a bad seed, the judgment that's all judgment is, is harvest of bad seed, the destiny and the harvest is present in the seed itself.

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The harvest is there. It's destiny is there. It will grow exactly what it's supposed to grow when it's put in the good ground.

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Put that good seed in the good ground. You know, that money at 200 bucks, it'll it's a it's a named offering.

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Yeah. So you got to name whatever your seed is so that it'll grow that for you when you give it to Kenneth Copeland.

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Now, the beautiful part of this in obeying God, since this is currency, unless the

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Lord instructs me to specifically give something else, which that's the reason you need to inquire the

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Lord. And I know about this tonight because I inquired of him about it today. And so now

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I know specifically towards what I'm sowing. So now

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I named this such and such I'm sowing towards manifestation of healing.

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Then I named this by his stripes, ye were healed.

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So, yeah, you name whatever your seed is. So get out your checkbook and name it.

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You know, I named this heresy busting and I'm not even sending the money in.

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No way. I named this seed. Arthritis is under the curse of the law.

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I am redeemed from by naming the seed. Apparently, you can buy your healing from the

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Lord. Curse of the law. Therefore, I am redeemed from arthritis and I have my healing.

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That's the name of this seat. You see what

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I'm referring to now? Let me show you why this is so important that you get the idea.

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So just name what your seed is. And this is the last bit from that sermon. Father, we pray over this evening's offering.

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Father, I name my seed tonight. This is my seed for continued revelation from heaven.

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So he's going to give in the offering to Kenneth Copeland Ministries.

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He's giving to himself, but he's naming it continued revelation. So what are you going to name your seed as you send it into Kenneth Copeland's ministries?

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You kind of get the idea here. The best way I can put it is that if Michael Brown is incapable of recognizing that Kenneth Copeland is the kingpin of the prosperity preachers, then he has no credibility as a theologian.

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None whatsoever. I mean, to say that, well, if these things about Kenneth Copeland are true, then maybe he's a heretic.

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Is to say, well, you know, I've heard privately from people that Stalin was a happy guy and that he was really kind to children and stuff.

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And so, you know, I can't say definitively whether or not he was guilty of genocide or murdered all those

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Kulaks and stuff. See, that's the problem here. Michael Brown isn't interested in giving a biblical critique of Kenneth Copeland because he claims

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Jesus hasn't told him to do that. Instead, he's engaging in obfuscation, putting out potential, uh, another narrative.

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Maybe what he's guilty, you know, he's just guilty of being misrepresented. He's guilty of being a victim of, you know, horrible, bad, hyper -criticism and stuff and stuff, you know?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the ticket. Now, the funniest part of Michael Brown's obfuscation was when he started talking about private jets and trying to posit the idea that it's possible that having a private jet is frugal, you know?

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It's a way of being a good steward with your money. Not making that up. Now, we won't get into all of the details regarding Ken Copeland, but let's take a look at this, you know, this small piece of obfuscation on the part of Michael Brown as he continues to go after, well, those wascally hyper -critics and instead give a more sane and sober and measured criticism of, uh, of Kenneth Copeland.

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What about, what about private jets? What about this whole here?

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So here's a clip, Jesse Duplantis, there's a TV show going after him about private jets.

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So just watch this little clip here that I want to comment. Jesse Duplantis zips around in this

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DeSalt Falcon 50 jet paid for by his church. Yeah, that's all part of the inside edition interview that went viral.

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So, you know, it was Kenneth Copeland and Jesse Duplantis both who received some criticism from inside edition.

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Here he is boarding the plane with his wife for a short one hour flight from Fort Worth, Texas to his home outside New Orleans.

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Estimated round trip cost $14 ,000. If he flew commercial, it would be as low as 180 bucks.

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Now the obfuscation is going to just ramp up to like 11. Yeah. If you've seen

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Spinal Tap, you know what I'm talking about. This is obfuscation level 11. I'm just saying.

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All right. So what do we make of that? Yeah. Okay. Here's the deal. All right. What's the deal?

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Here's the deal. Okay. It may be. Oh, it may be.

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Okay. So here's the deal. Maybe. In some cases, very frugal, wise, constructive, excellent stewardship for a ministry to have a private jet.

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Okay. Okay. Just like businesses do. It may be frugal. It may be wise. It may be excellent stewardship.

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I mean, you could be saving money. You know, being frugal, excellent stewardships to own a private jet. You look at it on a business basis makes perfect sense.

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Okay. And for others, it's an abuse. For others, it's fleecing the flock. Which is it for Jesse Duplantis and which is it for Kenneth Copeland?

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Keep in mind, Kenneth Copeland, we know for a fact that he owns at least three private aircraft.

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One is a Cessna Citation 10 and the other is a Gulfstream 5. You know, just want to throw that out there.

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When Creflo Dollar put out a request for $64 ,000, excuse me, $64 million for a new jet,

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I wrote an article why Creflo's not getting any of my dollars. And I understand pressure and I understand their international schedule.

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And I understand that the crowds, everyone wanted to get near you. And he's a far more famous person on TV.

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So I understand that. Okay. Understand all that. But I made it very clear why

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I differed with that and why I felt it brought reproach to the gospel. That being said, I said in the same article, it may be good stewardship for ministry to have a private jet.

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They often share it with others and then they break it down in order to get from here to here to here to here and do these meetings.

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So it may be that, you know, Kenneth Copeland is engaging in good stewardship.

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And reach all these people that we can't get to these places and do this unless we have a private jet. That's between that organization and God and their givers.

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Okay. Because I don't know. I'm not there to sort that out. This much I know. When I travel overseas, when

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I go to India every year, when I just went to Korea, we work out a way, the ministries, large ministries that bring us over, they automatically pay a business class fare.

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Otherwise we work out a way. We use miles to upgrade. We look for a good rate to be good stewards because here's the deal.

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I'm going to be traveling. So my India trip from when I leave my house to when I get there is about 40 hours. All right.

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And when I get there, often I get off the plane. I'm going to be speaking. Well, if I can have a setting where I can lay down and I can rest and I also have writing deadlines when

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I could sit and write and have better focus, et cetera, it's a good investment. I, I just speechless here.

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The fact that he is trying to compare a business class fare on an international flight to, to owning private jets is just absurd, utterly absurd.

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In fact, let's do the math on this. Shall we? Disclaimer, all of the information you're about to hear has been hastily researched with the power of Google and common sense.

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Do not take any of the data at face value and realize that all of our information is relatively incomplete due to the secrecy in which

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Kenneth Copeland operates. All of our numbers are based upon conservative estimates. Thank you.

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All right, everyone, let's do some simple math. According to Dr. Michael Brown, it's sometimes cheaper for ministries to own and operate their own private jet rather than flying on a commercial airliner.

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Today, we're going to find out if that's true or not. Allow me to begin by pulling up some numbers.

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According to the Kansas City Star, Kenneth Copeland purchased his Gulfstream 5 from actor director

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Dyler Perry for an undisclosed sum in cash. According to Google, a brand new

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Gulfstream 5 goes for about $61 .5 million. I can only imagine that Dyler Perry didn't want to lose a lot of money in that transaction, so we'll assume that he sold the plane for a little less than half of its asking price, say about $30 million.

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Then we can add on top of that the additional expenses from Kenneth Copeland who dumped $2 .5 million worth of upgrades into the plane and bought a $17 million hangar to put it in.

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Whoa, these numbers are really starting to add up. So now we're sitting at approximately $50 million in expenses, and we haven't even flown the darn thing.

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Conservative estimates of maintenance, hiring a flight crew, and fueling the plane is approximately 10 % of what you paid for the plane to begin with.

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So we're looking at an additional $3 to $5 million in upkeep annually.

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This isn't sounding very frugal to me, Dr. Michael Brown. You know what? I'm not going to call you

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Dr. Michael Brown anymore. You're Dr. Obfuscation. Or how about Dr.

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Obbs. Ooh, ooh, or even better, Doc Obbs. Now you sound like a cheap dollar store

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Spider -Man villain who goes around telling people that New York City has zero skyscrapers and just expecting people with working eyeballs to believe it.

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Anyway, back to math. So now Kenneth Copeland has spent approximately $50 million to buy the plane and is spending an additional $3 to $5 million every year after that.

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So let's put the price at $53 million. Now let's take a look at the price of a ticket from, say,

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Chicago, Illinois to India. Depending on how and where you fly, it could be anywhere from $500 to about $1 ,600 if you fly cheap.

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If you were to fly business class, it jumps up to about $3 ,000. So let's go with an average of about $1 ,500.

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For that price, a single person would have to take, hold on a second, carry the four, do the thing, plus, minus, quadratic equation, 35 ,333 trips to India before they would match one year of Kenneth Copeland's spending.

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All right, that's not entirely fair. Copeland has an entire team of people he has to take with him.

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Not on his private plane, of course. Can't have those plebeian demons interrupting his nappy time.

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So for scale, let's send the Minnesota Vikings to India instead, which is at a minimum of 61 people.

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At $1 ,500, the Vikings could theoretically travel to India a total of 579 times before matching

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Kenneth Copeland. Wow, that's bad. But wait, it gets worse.

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All these calculations have been for just one private jet. Kenneth Copeland has three.

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Nothing about these planes or Kenneth Copeland's ministries sounds remotely frugal, wise, or of good stewardship.

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Doc Obs, your math is whack. I'd recommend remedial algebra if I thought it would help.

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So I think you get the point. The point is that Michael Brown just can't stomach the idea of offering a biblical rebuke of the most flagrant prosperity heretic on the planet who lives an opulent life, owns multiple jets, and instead he has spent his time going after hypercritics and positing the idea that maybe, just maybe, he's repented privately of some of the things that he's said in the past and that these hypercritics, they don't know the truth or anything like that.

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And you get the idea. So to say that the apostle of obfuscation is writing again is, well,

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I just say it's redundant at this point. Michael Brown is doing what Michael Brown does. Anytime he's challenged to offer a critique of the most flagrant abuses by the most egregious and obvious heretics, he always finds a way to spin it around and come up with some kind of inferred narrative that really what might be going on here is those rascally hypercritics are just being too hypercritical, and that's not the truth at all.

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The reality is that Michael Brown has not offered a substantive warning to the people in the charismatic movement about Kenneth Copeland and the dangers that he poses to their soul, and yet the evidence that this man is a complete threat and a heretic, probably a demoniac, and teaching doctrines of demons at the very least, is patently obvious, as obvious as the idea that Stalin was the head of the

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Soviet Union. I mean, that's how obvious this is, and yet he won't offer any sharp criticism at all.

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And again, that just challenges and calls into question his authority as an unbiased biblical scholar, and one who's capable of engaging in sound biblical scholarship at all.

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If you can't identify Kenneth Copeland as a heretic, and you are a foremost biblical scholar, then my question is, where did you get your degree from?

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Because it's, again, quite obvious that this man is the kingpin of the prosperity heretics.

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