Nov 2, 2026 Show with Ron DiGiacomo on “Attending a So-Called Same-Sex ‘Wedding’: Liberty or Disobedience?”

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As many of you know, listen to this show regularly, a number of months ago, Dr. Moorcraft had a fall in his home, which required that he be hospitalized, and he was in the hospital for months after that fall, recovering from injuries.

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I thank God for Dr. Joseph C. Moorcraft III and his precious wife, Becky, for the encouragement they have been to me for many years, and that faithful little church in Cumming, Georgia, Heritage Presbyterian Church.

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So please join me in praying for the quick and speedy recovery of Dr. Moorcraft and full recovery and that he returns home and to the pulpit soon. But today, I have a guest on the program for the very first time, and I became acquainted with who he is through an article he wrote that was sent to me by my co-host today.

My guest today, for the very first time ever, is Ron DiGiacomo. He is an ordained Orthodox Presbyterian elder with over 23 years of service and the founder of philosophical-theology .com. Today, he is going to be addressing the theme of that article I just mentioned, attending a so-called same-sex wedding, liberty or disobedience.

And it's my honor and privilege to welcome you for the very first time ever to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Ron DiGiacomo.

Thank you, Chris. Delightful to be here.

And why don't you tell our listeners something about philosophical theology, your ministry?

Yeah. Philosophical theology is a blog I began, I think, around six years ago. It's focused on philosophical theology—things such as the metaphysics of the will, of God's sovereignty, and how that relates to moral responsibility.

I interact with a position, a sophisticated Armenian position called Molinism. I do quite a bit of that. I get into the area of apologetics, so that would be epistemology. And I get into, as well, a bit of civil ethics.

So those are the three philosophical areas. And I try to bring those disciplines into discussions, whether it's about divorce and remarriage, or in this case, same-sex marriage, to bring those habits of critical thought and philosophical concepts to basically isolate the issue in order that we can discuss and know where our disagreements are.

Great. Well, if anybody wants to investigate that website further, go to philosophical-theology .com. I also want to bring your attention to the congregation where Ron DiGiacomo is a member. He has, as I said already in my introduction, been in the eldership for decades, including at this fine congregation, Emanuel Presbyterian Church of Wilmington, Delaware.

He is now retired from the eldership, I guess you could say, and a member of Emanuel Presbyterian Church. Why don't you tell our listeners something about that congregation, Ron?

Yeah. Well, it's an OPC church that is in North Wilmington, Delaware. And it's somewhat unique for the area in that we sing the traditional hymns and the psalms. The order of worship basically follows regular principle of worship.

So it's a vibrant congregation. It's got quite a different demographic than it did when I first joined. We've got a lot of children, a lot of covenant children, and we've got our share of senior saints as well.

So it's a great mix. God's blessing it. I was ordained there many years ago as a ruling elder and then moved on for a bit. We planted an OPC church in Maryland, and then one thing led to another, and I was in the PCA for a bit, which I have very fond memories.

So I was at 10th Prep for a bit and served there as an elder. I'm not currently serving as an elder at Emanuel. We've been back about two years now.

Well, if anybody would like to find out more about Emanuel Presbyterian Church in Wilmington, Delaware, the website is eopc .org, E-O-P-C for Emanuel, and they spell it E-M-M-A-N-U-E-L, because I know that there are a number of different ways to spell Emanuel.

Some spell it with an I and some spell it with one M rather than two, but this congregation spells it with an E and two M's, and the website again is eopc .org. And joining me as my co-host today is someone who has been a guest on Iron Sharpens Iron Radio in the past on a number of occasions, my dear friend, Pastor Ed Boyle, pastor of Trinity Christian Church in New Bloomfield, Pennsylvania.

Welcome back to Iron Sharpens Iron Radio, Pastor Ed.

Glad to be back, Chris. It's an honor. Thank you.

Why don't you tell our listeners something about Trinity Christian Church?

Trinity's a small, independent church, Reformed church here in a rural community in central Pennsylvania up here in Perry County. I've been doing a number of changes. I've been there about nine years, and then we've got a small core group of people who love the Lord and are striving faithfully to serve Him.

So we're excited. I'm excited to be a part of this, and also the church is just trying to do what it can to reach out to the community and make a difference, to be salt and light where we are.

Amen. And one of the fascinating things about the history of Trinity Christian Church is that before Ed was given the call to be pastor there, this church had at one time been a member of the United Church of Christ, one of the most left-wing denominations in existence.

Some would call it apostate, and thanks be to God, they pulled out of that denomination, separated themselves from it, and reconstituted as an independent Reformed congregation. So I thank God for His direction in that area.

And if anybody wants to find out more about Trinity Christian Church in New Bloomfield, Pennsylvania, go to tccnb .org. And by the way, Ed, since you have been at quite a number of my biannual Iron Trip and Zion Radio Free Pastors Luncheons, which feature very gifted guest speakers and an event during which every man in attendance receives one and possibly two heavy sacks of free brand-new books personally selected by me and donated by generous Christian publishers all over the United States and the United Kingdom, we have our next Free Pastors Luncheon coming up next year on May 6th, 2027, 11 a .m. to 2 p .m. at Church of the Living Christ in Loisville, Pennsylvania, not far from New Bloomfield, where Pastor Ed is, and we are featuring for the very first time as a keynote speaker Pouyan Mershahi, an Iranian-born a convert from Zoroastrianism to Biblical Christianity who is now a Reformed Baptist pastor at Providence Baptist Chapel in Cheltenham, England.

He will be joining us for the first time, but if you could, Ed, let our listeners know something about your own personal experiences at the biannual Pastors Luncheons. Hey, Chris, I always look forward to the luncheons.

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Make sure I extend the invitation to all the men in our church, whether they're actually in ministry leadership or not, they're welcome to come as long as we can give you a headcount, you can plan accordingly, but the speakers are always first, right?

It's always edifying. I hate when there's something comes up where I'm not able to be there, which has happened two or three times here in the last several years, but I try to make every one I can. The books are absolutely outstanding.

Many of them are from smaller publishers. As you mentioned, not only can we walk off the bag, but after everyone has been able to pick through the book room there for the free books provided by the publishers, often there are extras there, and so you encourage people to take them.

I brought a number of those back to the church and let them out so people can avail themselves of some of this literature because it's always very well written. They're biblically grounded books, and they speak to many of the issues that people face today.

So I think it's a wonderful thing to take up and read. So those are great opportunities. It's also a good time of fellowship with some of my fellow pastors that I often don't get a chance to see very often, but if we can reconnect at these luncheons there, it's always.

A good time. Great. If anybody would like to register for this free event, I would urge you to do it now, even though the event is about six months away, because of the fact that over and over again I hear from men who would say, oh, I wish we could have been there, but something came up.

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And this is absolutely free of charge, as always. Well, some of you may have heard an interview I conducted on January 30th, 2024. It's hard for me to believe that it was that long ago, but I had M .D. Perkins on the program, a staff member of American Family Association and author of Dangerous Affirmation, the Danger of Gay Christianity.

We conducted a program providing a response and loving rebuke to Alistair Begg. Alistair Begg is a globally renowned pastor, teacher, author, conference speaker, and he is a native of Scotland but has been pastoring in Ohio for quite a number of years.

And he created a bit of controversy, to say the least, and got many of his very strongly reformed and biblical colleagues in ministry upset with him because he had recommended to a grandmother who contacted him during a, I believe it was a podcast interview, he recommended to a grandmother who asked if she should attend the wedding of her grandchild, and I keep forgetting if it was a grandson or a granddaughter, but it was a grandchild who was getting married, quote, quote, we know that same-sex unions are not marriages or weddings, but this young person was marrying somebody of the same gender, and Alistair's advice to this person was that the best Christian testimony would be to attend this masquerade of a wedding.

And if that were not bad enough, when his personal friends that he had known for years who had even given him a platform in their churches, opened their pulpit to him, opened their conferences to give him a prominent place to preach and teach, even when they sternly but lovingly rebuked him for doing this, he did not back down, he did not repent of what he had done, he did not say that he was sorry, he did not ask for forgiveness, he dug in his heels, and to this day, to my knowledge, is just as adamant as ever that he did the right thing.

And even though this took place years ago, it even took place prior to my interview because it did not become public knowledge, really, to any great degree until about 2024, even though it had happened prior to that.

But even though some might say, oh, this is old news, well, it's not old news when the children and the grandchildren and the loved ones of Christians who are not believers, at least not true believers in Jesus Christ, are doing the same thing.

They are proposing and getting engaged to people of the same gender and entering into something they call a marriage and something that apostate leftist ministers who don't deserve the title of Christian minister are blessing with their ceremonies.

But since that goes on today, and we may even have listeners who are challenged with being asked or invited to attend one of these abominable events, and they love this person dearly, and they don't want to cause a rift in their family, they don't want this person to abandon them, they don't want this person to perhaps cut off their witness of the gospel of Jesus Christ to them, and who knows what other reasons they may develop in their minds to justify attending these events.

It is needed now, just as much as it was needed in 2024, to warn people that a Christian must never condone this kind of wickedness. But tell us, if you could, Ron, what was the thing that compelled you to write the article that you did that was actually sent out in a bulk email by my friend and co-host, Ed Boyle, to his entire congregation?

And I'm on that email list as well, even though I'm not a member of his church. That's what, really, the Lord used in his providence to bring you here to the program today. But what was the compelling factor or factors that led you to write this article?

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, of course. And just real briefly, before I answer that, I was aware of the Alistair Begg incident. I think it was maybe December of 2023, and then it really started to steamroll in January, and I saw a lot of articles, and I didn't put my oar in the water on that one.

But I do appreciate something that I'll just say that Dr. MacArthur said when asked about this, and of course, he would stand where you stand on this and where I stand on this. But I hope a low point or a point of weakness in this ministry does not mark him for the years to come.

Again, it was a big mistake, and it's done damage, and there's a ripple effect to that damage. But what got me thinking about it was a discussion with some dear, close people to me, and that discussion, I started to formulate thoughts.

We have a group chat, and I thought, okay, let's start to isolate in a deductive format the argument so we can decide where we disagree, and then also anticipate some rejoinders to the argument. So that's also contained in the article.

So it was just something that had just resurfaced. It's not my area. It's not something I focus on. It's an important area, but it's not something I spend time on. But this one providentially came across my desk, as it were, and I thought I would see the opportunity.

Tom, great. And by the way, Pastor Ed, you please feel free to chime in with a question whenever you have one and you sense a break in the conversation. In fact, if you wanted to, you could even raise your hand, even though the audience who is listening live can't see us, I can see you, and you can raise your hand if you want.

But from what you have heard, even from legitimate Bible-believing, regenerate shepherds of God's flock, or just Christians in general who are genuine Christians, because we already know and don't really put weight on the arguments by apostates and leftists and Christ-haters, but as far as people who are respecters and even lovers of the Scripture and yet would somehow condone or agree with Alistair Begg's advice, yes, to show love, you should attend this event that is being held by and participated in by a loved one, just to show them that you don't hate them for their choices of morality and life, and to show some kind of evidence that you haven't cut them off from your life.

But what kind of excuses or defenses have you heard similarly to Alistair.

Whether Attending a Same-Sex Wedding Is a Christian Witness

Begg? Yeah, you know, in my circle of living, I'm a bit insulated, so this would be considered maybe a no-brainer in my circle. And, you know, there was an after-reminder at evening service, but an evening service, we're going through the Sermon on the Mount, and it had to do with the log in, our eye, and the speck in somebody else's.

And David Landau, my pastor, made the point, and it really hit me, that some things that are very, very easy for us will be the things that we can be perhaps most critical about, because they come so easy, how come everyone can't see it?

I think this is very easy, and I think we ought to think critically, but not with a critical spirit, we're just one beggar showing another beggar where to find bread. But having said that, I think the weak arguments I hear have to do with, well, Jesus hung out there.

Another area is basically, I don't want to alienate this person, and because if they do not have the fact to walk faithfully behind, then they're just going to be double-minded and unstable. And so if they're not grounded in a true doctrine of what marriage is, what a wedding actually is, the covenantal union, if they're not grounded in those areas, there's all sorts of things in the armor that they can be self-deceived, I think, or just misled by somebody of stature, like the pastor that we've mentioned from Ohio.

So I think there's a myriad of reasons why people are struggling in this area, which is why I want to be able to identify where do you disagree with the argument of these folks? But I haven't had a lot of engagement with people in the Christian evangelical community who have disagreed with that.

I do know of people that do, but I haven't had a lot of engagement in that area.

05 And I have had conversations with people who play the devil's advocate, as it were, who will say, well, don't you attend weddings of unbelieving people? And isn't that just the same kind of a thing?

And I have said, well, as long as it is not a marriage between a believer and an unbeliever, which is a sin to unevenly yoke yourself to someone who does not share your faith in Christ and actually calls into question the professing believer's faith in Christ by putting his romantic desire and so-called love for a human above his love for God.

But if it's two unbelievers getting married, well, in this instance, they are obeying Christ by either ceasing to fornicate, which is likely going to be the issue if they are two unbelievers, or preventing themselves from fornicating.

They are joining themselves with a pledge to love and honor each other and remain faithful to each other for their entire lives. Now, sadly, of course, that promise and that pledge to God and to men who are observing doesn't always last for the lifetime of the people getting married, and all too frequently doesn't.

But at the same time, it is reason to rejoice when we are joining the celebration of something like that. Am I correct in saying that,.

Ron, in your opinion? I believe, yeah. Genesis 2, it's the creation ordinance. It's not just speaking about believers. Jesus gives us the same principles in Matthew 19, hearkening back to what was true in creation.

And I think there's a natural reason why parents of adult children who are living together, when they get engaged and are going to be married, they're very, very happy about that, because they realize that what was unlawful is going to now become lawful.

And they celebrate that. And I would celebrate that as well. Two unbelievers who are getting married, my wife and I have played matchmaker with some success. We're product of matchmaking, and we've even fixed up two unbelievers.

Yes. And Pastor Ed, perhaps you would like to chime in here about something that really sets the stage for the entire conversation, is that we have been correctly identifying these so-called weddings as not real weddings and not real marriages.

We get our definition as to what a marriage is from the Scriptures, don't we, Pastor Ed?

Absolutely. It begins in Genesis 1. God created the institution of marriage, and he alone gets to define what it is. And he clearly placed it in the context of one man, one woman in the covenantal bonds of marriage.

And our Lord Jesus reiterates that in the New Testament. So, you see it from not only in the old as a creation institution, but also in the New Testament. But I think going back to the point about Alistair Begg, I think it was in 2023 and then 2024, it sped off at the wings of the Internet, and it became a big talking point.

And while I discuss this with a number of different people, this exact issue here, for some who defended Begg, or would say, well, I don't agree with him, but it's at least a reasonable position. I said, but it's not a reasonable position, because God has defined marriage.

It's not a real marriage. It's an anti-marriage, as someone put it several years ago. And so, no Christian with any claim to biblical fidelity can make a cogent, coherent case from the Scriptures that this is illegitimate in any way, shape, or form.

But Alistair Begg made it much worse later on, because when I first heard about this, I didn't believe it. I didn't believe everything that I was hearing I wanted to go. And so, I listened to what the podcast was in its entirety, so I had the context.

But then I listened to his Sunday evening sermon the next week where he addressed some of the fallout. He made it much, much worse, not only by digging in, but by basically calling anyone who disagreed with him a Pharisee.

He was quite open about it. Justin Perdue. That's right. Adamus. And so, he made it much worse with this. And so, when you make a public statement, you can expect maybe some pushback. And some would say that, as a matter of fact, someone who was central at this church told me, he said, well, what you're describing is the Christian version of cancel culture.

I said, this is not cancel culture. This is called accountability. If you are a man of God, a minister of the gospel, and you're making claims, if you're trying to ground this in a scripture in any way, which Begg was, then you are now accountable to others who will go to the same scriptures and say, no, you're using this in a manner in which it is not intended, in which God clearly does not sanction.

So, Begg created that hole for himself. Justin Perdue.

I used to love Alistair Begg's preaching. I used to love to listen to his radio program. I had the opportunity to interview him twice on my program. The most recent interview I conducted with him was in 2018, eight years ago.

I gave away on a number of occasions at the pastor's luncheons books written by Alistair Begg. But I have to say, and I don't know if you two men agree with me, I cannot recommend him anymore because of the fact that he refused to repent of this atrocious counsel, which is….

I think it's a very serious error. It's not as if he was caught off guard in an interview, said something stupid, and then said, you know something? I really goofed up there. I wasn't thinking right when I was being challenged to give a response on a live show quickly.

And no, that wasn't the case. Like you said, he was even sternly rebuking those who dared to rebuke him and called them Pharisees. So anyway, it's interesting, Pastor Ed, that the very text that you cited from the New Testament that defines marriage is also the answer that we can give to those who are advocating the abomination of homosexual activity, by who very often will say, but Jesus never said anything against homosexuality.

Well, he did when he defined what marriage was. Am I right there? Absolutely. Absolutely. And then also,.

There are certain things that were simply accepted and understood, just as they once were in Western civilization, as Christianized as it was, to greater or lesser degrees, and depending on where people were.

But yeah, the Lord absolutely lays that down. And of course, he's the author of the Old Testament as well as the New, because he does not change. His moral standards are timeless as well.

And in this article, Ron, you bring up a key aspect of this whole conversation, that wedding guests are not passive observers, but explicit celebrants whose presence functions as a public endorsement, affirmation, and congratulatory witness of the union.

And this principle, as you point out, is applied as well to civil ceremonies, as well as Christian ones. Do you want to comment further on that, Ron?

Yeah, I think there's the unfortunate view of things that, you know, if I just keep my hand behind my back with my fingers crossed, I'm not participating in it, and I'm not advocating it. They know my disagreement, but I am there just to support that.

And that little area of supporting somebody in the context of a union that God finds repugnant, and I'm not using that word flippantly, he finds it repugnant, and it's invoking his wrath. And actually, the union and what has preceded it, it may have already be a sign that God has already turned people over.

So this is not just any sin. It is a sin that is often given as a punishment, a judicial pardoning. And I'm going to give you over to a reprobate mind, you know, Romans 118 and following. And so to even masquerade as somebody, yeah, I'm going to go there and support this person in life.

I want to keep them in a loving relationship so I can hopefully evangelize them that is a faith that is not following after biblical fact. And it's compromise at the concluding level. It's a compromise, and it could be because they fit the Apostle Paul against their impression of gentle Jesus, and there's just a lot of confusion that surrounds this issue.

But again, it's not difficult, but given the emotion, given the lack of faith, given the lack of grounding in both Old and New Testament precepts, it can be overwhelming. And then you've got the backlash of family or loved ones, and you start to fear God, or excuse me, fear man, when.

You ought to be fearing God. We have to go to our first commercial break right now. If you have a question, please submit it to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com, C-H-R-I-S-A-R-N, Z as in zebra, E-N, at gmail .com.

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City and state and country of residence. Only remain anonymous if your question is personal and private. We have Maxwell in Marcus Hook, Pennsylvania, who has a question. Would you men attend a Roman Catholic wedding?

And if so, why would you condemn those attending the wedding of two people of the same gender, even if you disagreed with it? I think that's comparing apples and oranges myself, because we've already addressed how even if two people that we believe are unbelievers are getting married, and even if it is in the atmosphere of or the setting of a false religion, as long as we are not participating in a religious ceremony, like I have lovingly rebuked Bible-believing Christian friends of mine who will be at a Catholic wedding, same one that I'm at, and they will actually go up and receive the Mass.

And I've said to them, what are you doing? Oh, I just, in my mind, I've got something different I'm thinking about than what the Catholic Church teaches about the Mass. I said, that doesn't matter. I mean, the Mass is an abomination.

You can't be, and in fact, they don't even want you to take it unless you believe in transubstantiation. You're not even supposed to take it. But isn't this, Ron, comparing apples and oranges when you're saying if you would go to a Catholic wedding, why wouldn't you go to a same-sex union?

Yeah, I think it's just a category error. A Catholic wedding, I don't care if it's an atheistic wedding. I don't care if it's an Orthodox-Jews wedding. If it's a man and a woman, Genesis 2 .24 talks about a man will leave his parents and a woman will do the same, and they will become one flesh.