July 30, 2019 Show with Kurt M. Smith on “Piety, Passion, & Paradox: The Life & Legacy of Basil Manly, Sr.”

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I'm thrilled to have back on the program a person who I love to interview a fascinating

person who is not only rich in his knowledge of theology and doctrine and

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But he is also very knowledgeable in church history.

And that is another one of the reasons we have him on today.

Specifically we are discussing his new book on a great historical figure especially

beloved by those in Calvinistic Baptist circles and that is a basil

manly senior.

His book is piety passion paradox the life and legacy of Basil manly senior and

it's on my honor and privilege to welcome you back to iron sharpens iron radio.

Kurt M Smith.

You Chris.

It is great to be

back on.

I didn't even realize it was that long.

Wow.

And I know that your pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Why don't you tell our listeners something more about that church?

Hmm.

Yeah.

Proverbs 4

Methodist Church

three years.

So you mean it has nothing to do with your Christmas cantata or your praise your praise

band?

Or your youth programs.

I Know exactly.

I mean, listen, not even the fog machine work.

It wasn't even that

I Mean, you

know, you

know,

what is.

Well,

if

anybody

wants more information about Providence Reformed Baptist Church.

Which as I said before is located in Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Their website is PR BC one six eight nine dot org.

PR BC one six eight nine dot org even though this is not the Theme

of our show today since you bothered to put it in your website.

One six eight nine.

Why don't you why don't you educate our listeners who may be totally unfamiliar with?

The 1689 London Baptist Confession also known as the Second London Baptist Confession.

There are those Especially perhaps our non confessional fundamentalist

friends who on occasion Slander us By saying

that we don't think that the Bible is sufficient.

So we have these man -written confessions and Ironically the confession itself

and all of the historic Reformed confessions.

Say in the confessions themselves that they're not on the same par as the scripture not near it but if you could let us

let us Let our listeners know who are unfamiliar with that confession and perhaps even

confessionalism.

Itself a little know about the 1689.

Well

the

1689.

Yes,

and

I know

that

Charles

hadn't

Spurgeon

actually

had.

The 1689 confession and Benjamin Keach's catechism.

Encased

in

the

cornerstone

of the

Metropolitan

Tarbonneau.

Yes, he did

great.

Well, let me give our listeners our email address right now in case they want to ask you a question.

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Well.

You know, you normally on iron sharpens iron radio as you may remember when we have a first -time guest.

We have them give a summary of their own salvation testimony of the

Religious atmosphere they were raised in if any and what providential Circumstances were raised up in that person's life

that drew him to God and saved him.

Well since you've already done that for yourself Basil or basil manly senior

is a new Introduction to our listeners even though there are some

probably a great minority Who have heard about him before who know him

and those would?

Likely be largely confined to Calvinistic Baptist listeners and perhaps even pastors or

Voracious readers, so if you could tell our listeners about

the The religious atmosphere of the home of

basil manly senior when he was.

Being raised up as a child and how he came to know

Christ,

but at

home

and what more manly name can you have?

That

is

a

remarkable

story.

Yeah, I don't know if I have ever heard a Story of

God using a slave to bring someone in his master's family to salvation.

That's really incredible.

Yeah,

it

really

is.

And of course, you

know

the biting irony

of

and.

The more remarkable part.

Even if basil manly had remained a reprobate and remained a lost

sinner.

The the heartache and the passioned plea the impassioned

plea that that slave had in his prayer for the salvation of Who would be?

basil manly senior that in and of itself even if God did not answer the prayer the way the slave

intended the fact that the slave was praying that way is I think Even the most remarkable part of the whole story.

I.

Mean, I mean God.

The most glorious aspect is the salvation of basil manly senior.

But the most remarkable part of the story I think is that the slave was praying for and that that way.

Oh, yeah.

Yes, yeah,

that's really what made

you come to

the point

of

all the

historical

figures you

can.

Think of to write a book about.

Especially since there are quite a number of Calvinistic

Baptists of history who still have not had a published biography

written about them.

What was the the key thing or things that said.

I got to write a book.

A biography about basil manly senior.

Brandon

Smith.

No, I

was

in

Birmingham

for

my

very

first

time

ever.

Just a few weeks ago. I Was on my way to Franklin, Tennessee to a Bible

conference out there and I spent two days.

I've spent I'm sorry one night one day and night in your beautiful city or the

beautiful city I should say of Birmingham, Alabama and this area.

Birmingham was just filled me with Envy because it was a very wealthy area and I've

rarely seen a more gorgeous place in my life.

But I was.

I had lunch with a local reformed Anglican pastor Roger Salter and his wife

Maureen and I know that they share a building with a Reform Baptist

Church.

Who is the pastor that you're referring to?

Oh.

He.

Just like the subject of my favorite biography a pastor in New York the life and time of Spencer Cohn

by John Thornberry.

He was a particular.

Oh, yes a particular Baptist in Manhattan, and I have never met anybody who

Has not read the read the book by Thornberry who knew who he was when I mentioned it

and it's tragedy.

Yeah,

I have

that going to our first station

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This is Chris Arnzen.

If you just tuned us in our guest today for the full two hours with about 90 minutes to go is Kurt M

Smith author and pastor of Providence Reformed Baptist Church of Pine Mountain, Alabama.

We are discussing his book piety passion and paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley jr.

And if you have a question, send it in to Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Chris Arnzen at gmail .com.

Pastor Kurt before I continue pronouncing his name two ways.

Is it Basil or basil?

Basil okay.

I hope I remember that for the rest of the show.

Well, you call the book piety passion and paradox.

Why do you start with the term piety in relationship to the life of Basil Manley jr?

Senior?

Did I say jr before?

Boy.

I've heard him quoted more often or heard

about him more often.

Yes, you have.

Because original Seminary faculty of the

so tell us about the connection of piety to Basil Manley seniors life.

I use

that

now,

how

did

he

get

the

reputation

about?

I'm assuming when you say a strict Calvinist you're saying he got a reputation for being a hyper Calvinist.

Is that was that the way I should assess?

Oh, no. No, no. No, no.

No, he never he never had the reputation of being a hyper Calvinist.

Because even even the way that he was eulogized almost sounded like he was slandered for

being that.

Well, the slander was so.

You're saying those

outside of Calvinism

would have had

that

understand,

correct?

In that day would have been the most numerous proponents of hyper

Calvinism and For those of our listeners who don't even know the distinction there are obviously today,

especially Many non -reformed non -Calvinist Christians.

Who call any Calvinist a hyper Calvinist?

They will call and slander those who believe in the five points of Calvinism.

They will slander them and us I should say as being hyper Calvinist just because we believe in those

five points.

Because especially we believe in limited atonement and

Those kinds of things.

Were were these strict Baptists among those?

Most prominent teaching a hyper Calvinism.

And then there is actually still to this day especially in the UK even though there are a tiny denomination now,

but there were and Are the strict Baptist denomination that are known for hyper Calvinism?

They were in conflict with Charles Haddon Spurgeon in England in her.

But who would be the most prominent?

Proclaimers of what would be genuinely labeled hyper Calvinism.

Well

in

basil

manly's is

that

he

could

find.

Yes

for

those

of our

listeners

who

are

very

unfamiliar

with

primitive Baptist

because

they.

Predominantly exist even though they are small.

To begin with they predominantly exist in the South Midrash.

There are there are places even in New Jersey and other places that they do.

Have churches, but they are not only hyper Calvinists.

I have to be careful here because there are biblically Orthodox primitive Baptist today

who perhaps inherited churches from years ago and

maintain the name but have a identical faith with 1689 London Baptist

Confession adherence, but Primitive Baptists are not only

hyper Calvinist in their majority.

They're also simultaneous in the majority hypo Calvinists in some areas they do not believe for

instance or should I say many do not believe that God is

that God decreed all events that ever occur like horrible acts like your child getting run over by a

car or Things like that that they do not believe The smoker who dies of

cancer that God had anything to do with the the decree of that man's death.

So then that way they would be hypo Calvinist.

They would be not right Calvinist at all.

But they would be hyper Calvinist that they do not believe.

The spreading of the gospel evangelism is actually used by God to bring about the miracle of

regeneration.

It only Comforts the sheep or comforts the elect to understand why they

are going to heaven, but it is not a necessary thing.

For somebody to go to heaven people in their minds can go to heaven without ever knowing who Christ was.

Yes,

yes,

even

even our

mutual

friend.

Dr.

James R. White

preached

in a

primitive

Baptist

Church

that.

Denied or rejected the the hyper Calvinistic elements of primitive Baptist and I think they might have even been

confessional.

With the 1689.

Yes. Yeah.

Well the the primitive Baptist that I've known.

Who have rejected who

actually hit?

Interesting and it's interesting also that it shows you that hyper Calvinism comes in

different flavors because The Netherlands Reformed Church is notorious for

hyper Calvinism.

That's the denomination that Joel Beakey left.

Largely largely because of hyper Calvinism, but they had an entirely different

way of viewing things in regard to the breadth

and the width of the spectrum of those who would be in heaven whereas the

primitive Baptists since they remove man's responsibility and the preaching of the

gospel From the equation of salvation and they really equate election with salvation as

identical things.

That's right.

The the Netherlands Reformed have a have the same heresy of

removing man's responsibility.

But they have a an opposite reaction to it.

They will say that doesn't matter if you Come with a faith To

God even if it appears to be genuine.

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It has something to do with an extra biblical supernatural experience.

Very very strange and hard to grasp.

Perhaps a former Netherlands or foreign person perhaps.

Dr. Beeky can better explain that to us one day, but.

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I am looking forward with bated breath to be there again.

I love this conference and the speakers include.

Dr Stephen Jay Lawson one of the most gifted and powerful preachers we have on the planet Earth today and Another

person in that category is Paul Washer and another person in that category is Jeff Thomas and

Another person in that category is the Reverend Armin Tomassian who many of you may not have heard of before but

he is a young man with extraordinary gifts preaching and teaching gifts

far beyond his youth and He is a young pastor, but I think that within

the next decade He's gonna be a household name amongst Reformed Christians because he is

that powerful and that gifted a preacher.

Richard Caldwell jr.

And Andrew Quigley are two men that I have not yet heard preach, but I'm sure of sermon audio calm selected

them.

They must be magnificent.

So if you want to join me Thursday and Friday December 19th and 20th in New York City at the foundations conference.

Go to the foundations conference calm the foundations conference calm.

This conference is only open to men in ministry leadership.

Then I am going to be packing up my bags again and this time heading down south.

Once again to the g3 conference.

I love this conference so much.

G3 stands for gospel grace and glory.

It's being held at the Georgia International Convention Center Which is in College Park, Georgia a

suburb of Atlanta right near the airport.

Very convenient for people flying in from different parts of the world and many do in fact.

They typically have over 5 ,000 people there every year.

I am looking forward to also manning my exhibitors booth for iron sharpens iron radio there again and

The theme is going to be worship matters and the speakers include Kosti Hinn

who is the nephew of renowned heretic or should I say notorious

heretic and false teacher Benny Hinn and Kosti would not be upset by hearing me say that because

he spends a great deal of his ministry outside of his own pulpit traveling and warning people

about the deceptive Dangerous deadly and damning doctrines of the word -of

-faith movement and that includes his own uncle.

He had repented of the word -of -faith heresy.

He was raised in and he is now a reformed Baptist and cessationist pastor in, California.

Gotta really travel to wherever you hear.

Kosti is preaching if you can all make it and he will be on the roster here at the g3 conference along with Darrell Bernard Harrison

a new addition to John MacArthur's team at grace to you Dave milk.

David Miller a really phenomenal old -school preacher.

I just love hearing him preach.

Derek Thomas a man who is definitely very familiar to most reformed Christians because of

his writing preaching and teaching a mutual friend of my guest and mine.

James are white.

Dr. James are white of Alpha Omega Ministries is going to be there.

I've known James since 1995 and and I have been calling him a dear friend for many

years.

I just look forward to always seeing and hearing him speak.

Dr. Joel Beeky who we mentioned before he is the president of Puritan Reformed Theological Seminary in Grand

Rapids, Michigan once again.

We have Stephen Jay Lawson and Paul Washer on the roster together at this conference in addition to the

one that we mentioned before Phil Johnson the executive director of grace to you the ministry of John MacArthur.

Stephen Jay Nichols, who is the president of Reformation Bible College the college founded by RC Sproul and

Ligonier Ministries.

Todd Friel of wretched TV and radio.

Tom Askell who is the executive director of founders ministries the Calvinistic ministry within the

Southern Baptist Convention.

Vody Baucom one of the most phenomenal preachers on the planet Earth today and more and

the new addition of John MacArthur on the roster has me more excited than ever.

I've never Been in the same room when John MacArthur is preaching.

So I am just so excited about this.

He is one of my modern -day heroes and I am so grateful to God that he has given me the opportunity to

Be in the same building with him when he's preaching and I hope to get to meet him.

I've interviewed Dr. MacArthur on Iron Trip and Zion radio a number of years ago, but I've never met him face to face.

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Kurt and Smith on the life of Basil Manley senior and Our email address is Chris

Orrins in a gmail .com.

Chris Orrins in at gmail .com.

Okay, we have a question for you pastor Kurt.

From a very faithful listener to iron trip and Zion radio who is also a very generous contributor to

our show.

His name is Grady from Asheboro, North Carolina.

Hi brothers, Chris and Kurt great show.

Growing up as a Southern Baptist.

I always heard about John brought us George W Truett Bertha

Smith or Lottie moon when Chris shared about Spencer Cohn.

That was the first I had heard about him and his is a life worth telling.

How is it as Baptists we have kept these forefathers of our faith from being recognized

their life stories?

Should have been part of our Baptist heritage that should have been told as examples of faith.

Very interesting Question and a very very good one because it is kind of

puzzling.

Why some of these men are hidden secrets.

Yeah,

it

is

and

I

read

Christian

biography.

And

if

we're

not

careful,

well,

thank

you

Grady.

Make sure we have your full mailing address because you have won a free copy of piety

passion and Paradox the life and legacy of Basil Manley senior by our guest

Kurt M Smith and this is a publication of free grace press and I just thank

God for free grace press and solid

ground Christian books and These smaller publishing houses that

are bringing back into print And publishing even new things

that Would otherwise likely either be

left in the dust heap of history To never be revived

again, or they would never come to fruition.

To begin with like your biography.

Although about a historic figure your biography is a new work.

And it saddens me that this is something that many perhaps even the

majority of pastors today.

They want to be hip they want to they want to be with it.

They want to be cool and just like you were talking about presentism.

Conjuring up the names of great men in the past to them is even perhaps

Very often considered a bad thing.

Oh We look down on them because in our an enlightened day We see more clearly

their warts their flaws their blemishes their sins.

And how dare we even pay attention to somebody that? ever owned a slave

or this or that when these people were raised and Came to be in a time when those things existed.

It's not like you're you're giving tribute to people who started the slave trade for

starting the slave trade.

You know and Hopefully many of these people who are liberal

and are very soft on the sins of abortion.

In fact some of them gleefully celebrate The the wickedness of infanticide.

I would hope that one day Children would be taught that we have to

Dismiss and reject these people from the past who allowed children in the millions to be murdered in their

mother's wombs and I'm speaking about the so -called political heroes of today and the the

the pundits and well -known People in the media who receive the accolades of

many leftists, but anyway, I think I'm going on a tangent here.

But but it is but I going back to what I was saying and I'm sure you do since you're an author.

Don't you thank God for these?

Publishing groups like solid ground Christian books like free grace press like Reformation heritage books.

Who are being used of God To give us gifts these wonderful gifts that are

really like buried treasure.

That are brought to the surface that have been discovered that have been dusted

off and given to us as a present that we are able to be blessed by and of

course Even the the new writing of people like you who are bringing us biographies of such great

heroes of the past.

Yes, well

before we go

on to

any

more

listener

questions.

I want

you to

address

why

passion

is.

A keyword in your mind when it is connected to.

Basil

Manley

senior

so

much

so

that

you

included

it

as

a

keyword

in your

in

your

title

for

his

biography

and we

have.

Let's see here.

We have Ronald in Eastern Suffolk County, Long Island who asks

do you think the deadpan?

Intellectual lectures that we hear from the purveyors of dead orthodoxy are

not being used of God in the way that they should because of the fact that passionate

preaching and homiletical Excellence are What God

uses to drive home the fact that what the man is saying is true.

If it is true, he is going to be passionate about it.

He's going to be excited about it now now.

I'm not trying to say that every pastor always has to be running around and

Screaming at the top of his lungs, but at the same time.

Dry dead lectures are no way to deliver God's eternal truths.

Is

that

something

about what you

were

trying to

say

before.

Yes,

you

know,

and

I think

that

there

also

needs to be

a.

Distinguishing remark made About The those

that are naturally soft -spoken men.

You could still be a soft -spoken preacher and be passionate.

Yes, my former pastor David Campbell who is from Scotland.

He just Returned to the UK and accepted a call there and I guess it was

over a year ago now to North Preston Evangelical Church in the northern part

of England.

He was a soft -spoken man, but he was a passionate preacher.

You can see that he he his heart was welling up with either joy or

Righteous indignation depending upon what he was talking about.

It was clear that he was being moved by what the gospel was You know

telling his heroes what the Word of God what that passage he was he was reading or preaching

from was saying he was being personally moved himself and That was also Being

it was contagious.

Contagiously

moving

to

those

listening

in

the

in

the

congregation

and

of

course.

Lest anybody think that we are contradicting our Calvinism God

will very often use very ungifted Preachers and

teachers to bring salvation to his elect which is the case with Charles Haddon Spurgeon's

own salvation story when he escaped at blizzard by going into a primitive Methodist Church and a

man who was not even Appointed to leadership filled in for the pastor and just was repeating some phrase

Can't remember right now the scripture verse.

Look look to the Lord look to the Lord.

That's what it gets.

We have to go to our final break.

If you want to send in a question do it now.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Chris Arnson at gmail .com.

Are rapidly running out of time.

And by the way Ronald in East Pacific County.

You have also won a free copy of piety.

Passion paradox.

The life and legacy of basil.

Manly senior.

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Welcome back and we have a listener in Kinross Scotland for you.

Kurt.

Pastor Kurt Murray in Kinross Scotland says is the demonstration of power of the

Holy Spirit in Preaching that you have been speaking of.

What is known as unction or is unction something slightly different.

Rule

today

Murray.

Since

this

is a very

small book in weight.

I am going to be personally sending this to you to.

Kinross Scotland by.

Or should I say to say thanks for your question.

I usually or we usually do not ship out books to Overseas listeners because CV

bbs .com who ships out the Bibles and books won by our listeners could not afford us.

To constantly be shipping out things overseas. It would really drive up a huge bill.

But in this case since you are such a faithful listener and since the book is very lightweight I am gonna ship that out to you

myself.

Make sure we have your full mailing address in Kinross Scotland.

And we have time for one more question.

We have.

Mary and Cork Ireland.

And Mary and Cork Ireland says.

How is it that we can?

Bring to light heroes from the past such as Basil Manley senior While at the same

time bringing out their good qualities and their truthful teachings not letting our

Hearers be swayed by their negative beliefs and actions such as those that involve slavery.

That could.

Unintentionally give people a salve conscience

about

racial bigotry

is John Hagee.

Just get

it.

And

it's

of

course

the

bigger

question

or a

question

as big

I

should

say.

Is how we would have responded to it in regard to making sure that we preserve

the safety of those slaves?

Should we end the end slavery as an institution because

Willy nilly Haphazard ways of doing it could have meant and surely would have meant the certain

death of many of these slaves.

What

held

him

back.

What

would

end

up

happening

to?

While while on

the

one

hand

we do and

it

was fun

would

take

right

and

we are

out of

time.

We've actually going over time and want to make sure that our listeners know that if they want to get this book They can go to free

grace press calm.

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And if you want to investigate do more research on Providence Reformed Baptist Church.

Where our guest is the pastor in Pine Mountain, Alabama.

You can go to that website at PR BC 1 6 8 9 org.

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I hope you visit there if you're ever in Pine Mountain, Alabama.

Or if you live there, especially or have family friends and loved ones there.

I want to thank you so much Kurt for being our guest again.

I look forward to your return.

I look for.

I want to thank everybody who listened and especially those who took the time to write.

Want you all to always remember for the rest of your lives that Jesus Christ is a far greater Savior than you are a sinner.