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Welcome back to coffee with a Calvinist. My name is Keith Foskey and I am a Calvinist. I'm coming to you again from the truck and today I have with me my very good friend and fellow pastor Tim Stewart of counterculture Baptist Church in.
Jacksonville, Florida, how you doing today Tim? I'm doing good man having a blast. All right.
Well, we just came from doing what every pastor should know how to do in that is shoot a gun. Well, we went out and did some shooting today and Had a good time doing that. And so now we're headed back to grab some lunch and I thought it might be interesting If pastor Tim shared a little bit about his church, so I'm going to do a little impromptu interview.
Introducing you to him and to his ministry. I know several of his church members and they're the sweetest people. Some of them are part of our Academy, we have the Sovereign Grace Academy and the dare to running courts are.
Elaine is a Student at our at our school and I really enjoy him. He's very gifted young man. I'm gonna have to keep fixing this because the magnets not holding as well as it should but. But Tim, I want to ask you a question.
How long have you been the pastor of the church? And is it is it a church that you planted? I know the answer but I want them to know.
Yeah, yeah, it's a church that we planted about 11 years ago. It just came about just from from me growing in my faith and and and. And just wanting to to do things biblically not that other people had it wrong.
I just started to see some things that I felt was inconsistent. And so I just set out on the journey and. Next thing, you know, we ended up.
Planning the church started from a little Bible study. I think a lot of church plants start from Where we have seen a lot of churches that veer and are unwilling to change. Would you agree with that. I mean, I'm not.
I'm not and I'm not trying to talk bad about anybody. I'm just saying I think a lot of plants or I think there's a lot of plants going on right now because there's a lot of older churches that don't have interest in and in and.
Going back to the scripture. They're they're so locked into their traditions. Yeah, I think we've sort of kind of embraced a.
Seeker friendly aspect of church and then you have churches who you have this this mixture of people who Are serious about the things of God and people who are who see the church is just a place to come to be.
Remember sort of like a club or what have you. And when you have that mixture it can cause issues family issues. And things of that nature. So I mean like you said, we're not trying to talk about other people.
It's just you know when you wanted to grow and I wanted to grow in my faith and so I just sought out people who were We're headed in the same direction that I was. You're one of those people God put place in my life as well to I could clean from so I.
That's so I would agree and that that's usually how churches are put and I go.
Yeah, I enjoy Glenn from you too, and we I really enjoy our friendship and We have had some really good conversations over the years about some really deep subjects. Yes, like We talked about marriage and different things.
Maybe different perspectives that we might have on on those things, but it's been good conversation. I'm sharp as iron. Yes. And it challenged me and I was very grateful for for those times that we've had the opportunity to do that.
We we go together. For those of you who don't know how we met we go together to a pastor's forum and Pastor Shane waters of Sovereign Grace Baptist Church hosts a forum for pastors every month. And it's it's a blessing to me.
I don't get to go every month because I'm always Busy, but I am always grateful when I do get to go and get to hear the other guys stories and sometimes we share.
Problems it's a good place to go for healing for instruction. And it's not like you know It's a whack of the finger instruction you you you you become instructed from the Word of God and see how other people Interact with those issues and how God has saw them through it and you're encouraged.
Yeah, so it is a great place for that and Shane has a heart of a teacher. I was just going to say he's like a to me. I will call him a pastor's pastor. Yeah, it's good to have those in your life and in your in your friendship.
Absolutely. Absolutely. He's he's been there for me him and David Burke. Oh, man, Pastor Burke is a jewel. Yeah.
Absolutely, and I remember years ago. I was going through a time of Just spiritual down, yeah. I don't hate to call it depression because I know what depression is. It was right on the cusp where I was feeling that and David just sat with me and prayed with me and talked to me.
Like a father and that's something you don't you don't always get you know. Some guys are so self-absorbed. They don't want to speak into your life or they wag the finger.
Oh, yeah, and they try to take a high position and look down upon you. You know when I was in to do this I was introduced to the pastor's forum through pastor Burke's ministry and and I was dealing with something the the frustration of.
Sort of kind of what we see going on now with all of the social issues. It was it was around that time 2014 -15 and and man, I felt like a fish out of water didn't know how to really deal with Deal with it because I felt a lot of anger.
So going to talk with him and how to flesh that out man. He really ministered to me and really helped me through that and I don't know if he knows this to this day but that was. That was a blessing. Yeah, so.
It's amazing the men who touch our lives and never know it or don't know how much they do right, and they might not know it this side of eternity, but. But praise the Lord, there's a there's a song that and I don't I don't remember much of the theology of the person who sang it.
You know, you're not gonna bust out singing. No. This was back when I first got saved. There was a song on a radio it was a Christian song. It was called. Thank you for giving to the Lord. And it was it was about a guy who went to heaven and as he was going through the celestial city.
People would come to him and say thank you. Because it was your ministry that saved my life or you preach the gospel to me and it saved my life. And it's just a song. It's called. Thank you for giving to the Lord.
But I always think about that. How many people are we? You know how many people are touching us and how many people are we touching that we never know right and praise God for those You know because it's not about us.
It's about him, but it's just a it's a great wonderful thing. So tell me Your church. Is it? And I know I know some of the answers to these questions, but I want to people know is is your church currently meeting?
Or is it kovat scared?
No, well, you know, I try not we talked about early. You don't want to hurt people's feelings. You're one you don't want to do this, but man when you are serving the Lord Jesus Christ, we all have a mission.
We have to be wise as serpents and harmless as does so we're not saying we cast wisdom out of the Out of the window, but man, we're called together as a local body. This isn't the first epidemic and it's not doesn't even compare to the epidemics that we've been through.
Forget since this nation, but since the world. Amen. And and Christ Church has always stood as a beacon of light in the beacon of hope to share the gospel because one thing for sure like brother MacArthur says we're all going to leave this life and.
So the most important thing for us to know and to have is a relationship rooted in Christ. So we see the importance of that. Obviously we want to obey those that God has placed an authority over us. So we have a small community of believers.
So our building is not that that that large so what we did is we Reached out to another church and they were so gracious to let us use their facility. Nice. It's a large facility so now when we spread out I feel like It's so large I can hear my voice echo but uh, but it's been good for us.
We haven't missed a beat. We will still Preach the gospel and fellowship and and commune with each other as people.
Now your church. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you guys are a full 1689 confessional church. Yes.
For me, I truly believe that 1689 like others. I'm sure it's not guardrails. Yeah, it is something that obviously we know we hold to the scripture but men Throughout the ages have sought to work through things and a lot of the issues that we're facing in the church today I believe as a result of us doing away with some of the things that we that we that our forefathers and those.
That's coming for us. We didn't understand why they did what they did. We just thought it was out of style. So we've done away with it. So we we use it as our guardrail and we've embraced those truths as they have outlined the scriptures in the scriptures for us, so we we've embraced that and.
And I think it's good to have somewhere to stand.
What would you say to someone who says? We don't need the confession. We just need the bible. No creed, but christ. Well, that's the creed in and of itself.
And and also I would say and again.
You asked me what I would say that's why that because I know some of our People that are listening may one day have someone say that to them. See our church has a statement of faith. We we have not adopted a confession.
But I would say we are very close to the 1689 maybe a little closer to the 1644. Right confession, but as far as if somebody were to say what kind of church are you right? We would say we are reformed.
We are baptistic. Gotcha. We are evangelical. Mm-hmm. But you guys can say we're 1689 confession. I like that. I like that you have a something that you can point to. Um and say this is this is who we are read this, right?
Um, but what would you say if somebody came up and said, you know, what confessions are unnecessary? We just need the bible.
I think we need to be aware of of this this this cloak that we wear uh to to hide a lot of people don't embrace Uh confessions in my humble opinion, uh, because They don't want to offend the very people we've been sent to to minister to and they don't want to be locked in as it were to uh, What they believe the scriptures have to say not knowing that the world's going to lock us in anyway.
Um and so I I and then also I was I would say that we need to look at the arrogance Of an individual who thinks that um, three or four men with four years of uh, seminary, uh Seminary that is so far removed from what seminary used to be can get together And and come up with something that is greater than men who've wrestled through this and i'm not saying that it is a it is a It is a conscious arrogance.
Um, and then also that's a good, you know, i've never thought about what you just said. But to you know to say that your council of elders, which may be five men or three men.
Sometimes one man, but me I was I was the one who planned. Yep.
Is able to create a statement of faith that would rival something that had like the west minster divines, right? That produced and of course, we know the 1689 Drew heavily from the west minster. And so, um, yeah, we were 1644.
Well, no, no, no. Hey. And that's why. What I mean is there's a lot of there's a lot of thought there's a lot of depth when you when you read the london confession. There is no word in it that is misplaced or not thought through right?
And uh, and so but continue. I'm sorry.
I didn't mean to interrupt but but no and i'm still but on that point i'm still learning that a lot of the truths that I've seen in the 1689 I loved them because. That that was the thinking in my mind, but they pinned it.
You know what i'm saying? And um, and it was so thought out and it's the and it's the voice of many men through many generations. And so i'm still even learning and pastor shane has really been helpful in this.
Why. They did what they did in some of those things and so. And when you get to that and see the motive is to exalt the person of christ and to protect the bride the church. So.
That's great um with that in mind. So you planted a church, but when it when you planted it, it wasn't. You didn't plan it as a confessional church.
You've become a confessional church or explain that how that worked out. Well, I I planted the church with with with with the mind of Uh, and and here's the crazy part. I didn't even know and I now I was a a quote unquote minister licensed to preach.
I uh, I did receive training. We had like a little logos college that you had to go through. Um,.
To to uh. To sit through what you said when you kind of like our academy. It's in church, right?
Right, right and logos college was meeting at the church and um, and so we had that and we had a. A guy who really man I love to this day. Um, my my former pastor. Um, He was big in into men. Um being men of god, so that really that that really blessed me.
But when I started this church, I wanted to be able to preach the bible verse by verse. I come to find out later, you know, that's that's a form of preaching called expositional preaching. Yeah. Yeah, but for me it was uh, The it was the commands that paul that paul gave to timothy is to preach the word.
Yeah, and so I think we've gotten away from preaching the whole counsel of the word. So that was my aim. But you know I had to be told I was reformed but let's put it that way. And so a lot of things that I I that I was doing.
Uh, people were saying well you're reformed man. I didn't know what you know I I was a great way to be. Yeah, I was saying somebody saying you're right and you don't even know how right. Yeah, you know i'm like, oh, okay.
So even with that man, I love the doctrines and I love reading the bottom but man my my greatest love is loving people loving the people of god. And loving the word of god and whatever else you want to call me Glory to god, you know, I tell you what that that that's awesome.
I mean your people have a blessing in you and I know how much. You do love your people, you know, we have. We've talked over the years about the struggles of ministry And loving people in their most difficult times.
And we've both been through times where People have made ministry difficult. Not not necessarily because they tried to but just because of life circumstances and things. And and I I admire your love for your people.
I know you're very invested in their lives and i've seen you Be invested in people and um.
And that really means a lot. Not to interrupt you but that goes back to what we were saying these these creeds and these confessions these things. I think like you say people don't mean to make Ministry difficult, but they don't even know what it means to be members of a local church.
Amen, because we've done away with those things. They don't understand the importance of loving their shepherds uh, making sure that their shepherds are taken care of so that they could. They can be consumed with the work of ministry um, and and so.
The people don't have a clue about that and it is up to us. How how could they know unless someone preaches to them? So That's part of being a pastor and a shepherd is to do that and you have to do it careful because People you know how it is.
It's like it's easy for you to say, you know, but no it's it's i'm saying it because it's in the text absolutely.
Well brother, um, you know, normally we make these about 20 minutes. We're right at the 17 minute mark. What i'd like for you to do if you don't mind I i've loved to learn more about you and have our people learn more about you and we're going to have you back on soon.
Because you and I talked earlier about. Wanting to talk about some more cultural issues in the church and some cultural christianity things and some things that go on. Uh that that you want to address so we're going to set up a time to do that.
But to finish out today's episode, would you please take just a few minutes? And share the gospel with the people that are listening. Imagine that you're talking to somebody who doesn't know jesus because there may be somebody listening who doesn't know jesus.
And would you tell just for a few minutes just tell them how would you tell somebody about jesus if you.
And I don't mean to put you on the spot. Well, I mean even piggybacking on what we were talking about earlier. I think it's important for us to know That we are one race. Yeah, we're all created in the image of god.
And that image was marred by sin. Amen. And god did not give up on his creation. He loved us. So the bible says He so loved the world that he gave and the gift that he gave. Is our lord and savior jesus christ.
And and so we've done many things with christ throughout the centuries but the the greatest thing that we can do is to Embrace the gospel of jesus christ to acknowledge that we are marred. And we're right now we're living in a time to where people they want this utopia.
And they're trying to get it apart from a relationship with with jesus so I would say to anyone that is listening to understand that we are all created in the image of god and we're all marred and We all have prejudice and we all have these things that we have to overcome.
But the only way to overcome them is through the precious blood of jesus christ. And and so I I would say that if you do not know jesus uh first and foremost. You don't have to wait till sunday find your bible.
Read the book of john he introduces uh jesus to you. Uh, read it over and over again find you a church find a faithful christian and have them sit down and go through. Uh those truths with you let the word of god penetrate your heart uh.
And cry out for mercy and we will be praying that that you would do that. And that god will hear your cry for mercy and pray that he will give you grace. To bring about salvation. There's nothing good in us.
So leave everything there. Uh, don't go to the text and and and and and and ask jesus to do something for you. He's already done something for you. So I that would be my my plea To people is to set aside your ethnicity your your sex whether you're gay.
Whether you're straight whether you're black or white and cry out for mercy. And go to the scriptures and let let let the lord lead you into repentance. Amen. Thank you for that.
Well, thank you pastor tim and thank you for listening again. You've been on another truck ride with pastor keith. This is one of the ways we do our podcast and it works out. All right. Uh, but again, thank you for listening today to coffee with a coffee with two calvins and um I want to remind you that if you're on the north side of jacksonville florida.
And you do not have a church home that uh, we would love to have you come and be with us at sovereign grace family church. We're in the oceanway area. Sgfcjacks .org. Also, if you're looking for a daily bible reading we have a daily bible reading available on our website.
And i'm not sure what today's is because i'm recording this without being near my computer. But i'll make sure I put it in the comments below so that you'll know what today's scripture is for reading.
And if you are on the west side of jacksonville florida, and you are interested in visiting pastor tim's church pastor.
Tim, do you have a website so people could find you? Uh, yes, it's ccmjacks .org.
Okay, ccm ccm ccm. Oh, yeah counterculture ministries. Okay. Yes. Yep, ccmjacks .org and if you have any questions for pastor tim or want to visit their church. They'd love to have you and again, we'd love to have you if you're on the north side.
But if you're not in the jacksonville area, you know. You can always listen to us online at sgfcjacks .org. Find yourself a local church where people will love you. Don't use the internet as your only way of learning about god.
You need to be in a church with people who love you and love the word of god. And I appreciate you for listening. Thank you for being with us today for coffee with a calvinist. My name is keith foskey and i've been your calvinist.
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