Matt Slick Live: August 22, 2024

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The following program is recorded content created by The Truth Network. It's Matt Slick Live.

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Matt is the founder and president of the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry, found online at karm .org.

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When you have questions about Bible doctrines, turn to Matt Slick Live for answers. Taking your calls and responding to your questions at 877 -207 -2276.

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Here's Matt Slick. Everybody, welcome to the show. It's me, Matt Slick. You're listening to Matt Slick Live.

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If you want to give me a call, as usual, all you have to do is dial 877 -207 -2276.

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And I messed up on the... I'll fix it on the rumble.

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All right, so there we go. God, there's so many things going on. Darn. At any rate, if you want to hear me,

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I mean, if you want to hear me, if you want to give me a call, 877 -207 -2276.

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I want to hear from you. Give me a call and we can talk. We can blab. I want to hear from you. Also, if you're interested, what you can do is, if you want, you can give me an email.

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And the email address is easy, info at karm .org. Info at karm .org.

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And just put in the subject line, radio comment, radio question.

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And we can get to that kind of stuff. All right, today's date is August 22, 2022.

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And hopefully, everything will work better now. Let's see, we got a call coming in. And...

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That's right. Yeah, I messed up on some stuff. People go, hey, you messed up on the thing. So hopefully, everything's working out fine now.

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All right, so there we go. And... All right, let me know if it's working.

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Okay, we got, like I said, a call coming in in a little bit. All right, so we've been modifying the website.

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And I just want to let you know that we stay on the air by your donations and your support. So if you are so inclined, if you're so inclined to help us out, we ask $5 or maybe $10 a month, and that does help us a great deal.

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All you have to do is go to karm .org forward slash donate. And that's it. Okay, so that's it.

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That's all you got to do. And we can do that. All right, so let's see. Looking and checking, and that's not happening, and that's not doing that.

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And I'm not sure what's going on. It should be working. It should be. Let's see.

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Okay, here we go. I'm checking. I forgot to do one preparatory thing when

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I was doing this and getting the live stream going. So I messed up on it, and that's not working.

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We'll figure it out. Let's get to Anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina. Anonymous, welcome. You're on the air.

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Oh, good evening, brother. I pray you're doing well in your life. I am, by God's grace.

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Oh, same here. If you would, something odd, and I'm shoddy even to ask, but what the heck.

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I saw online on the web about people saying visions. Talking about angels and different visions they're seeing over Israel.

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I haven't heard anything. I've not heard anything. They had Hannity, Tucker Carlson on there even.

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You said it? Yeah. They were showing... I thought everyone would have known by now more than that,

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I would think. I'm just, you know... No, I've not heard anything like that.

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I'm curious. I do know that they're having... Muslims are having visions and dreams of Jesus, and they're being converted by the thousands.

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Oh, my gosh. Yes, that's been going on for quite a while. Okay, okay.

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Yeah, but I mean, I'm just sitting there. It's hard to... Well, it's not so easy to shock me, but I'm sitting there with my mouth open like an emoji.

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You know, like... Yeah. So anyway, with that, I want to thank you all.

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I enjoy listening to you every single night. Well, good. I need your body. I had your protection around you and yours.

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I'm sorry, sir? No, I do appreciate that. And, you know, if you have any documentation or anything like that, let me know.

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I would like to check it out, because if they're having visions and dreams, I want to know what's going on. Well, it's on YouTube.

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If you just Google it or whatever they... Go or... Yeah, I mean...

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So, like I said, I would think there'd be a lot more news about it than that, but thank you.

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It exploded my heart with joy to hear about the Muslims turning to Christ.

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Yes, it's a big deal. It's a big deal over there in the

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Muslim areas. And Al Jazeera has mentioned it. Al Jazeera has complained about it, because they can't stop it.

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And there's definitely reports of people having visions and dreams. They're coming to Christ over in the

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Middle East. It's just happening all over the place. And the biggest underground church in the whole area over there is in Iran.

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Oh, my gosh. It's growing. And then here in America, people are turning their backs on Christ.

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I know. And I know that because I've seen Him myself since I was born on Resurrection Day or Easter.

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I mean, I didn't have any choice. I've been in many motorcycle wrecks, head injuries, overdoses.

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Don't whisper that, right? Nobody will know. I mean, things that I'm not held accountable. There's no way.

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There's no way that I'm still alive. And there's a lot of stuff that I have forgotten about.

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And lately, since I started thinking more and more, He's saying, okay, well, what about this? I'm going, huh?

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He said, did you forget about this? I'm like, huh? I just feel His Spirit so strong in so many different ways.

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And I do feel we're very, very close to something. But we know that He's got us.

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So that's faith over fear. That's right. That's right. I know you're alive, and I know.

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He leaves me breathless, and I just. He's real. He's real. He's real. God bless you, brother.

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And all the very best to you and whoever's listening. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you.

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God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. God bless you. Let's see, here's a comment. We spoke about two years ago when we had arranged a

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Mariology debate that never materialized. Would you be interested in revisiting this and setting this up on a neutral platform?

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Consequently, if you don't want to debate the Mariam dogmas anymore, I'm willing to let you pick whatever topic you want.

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Here, I'm going to do this right now. Oh man, what happened? There we go. My program crashed.

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Did it crash? Yeah, no, there it is. So this this is a I get these challenges every now and then and I you know, yeah,

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I'd like to debate Mary And stuff so yeah, so yes

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There we go. See I could just do right there I'm gonna be debating in November I think it's

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November. I'll be having a debate. I'm gonna go down to your Belinda in And three weeks to speak at a conference on Islam and I've been told

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That I'm supposed to preach at Calvary Chapel in Norco. So if you guys know where that is

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You know be there. Anyway, so I'll be preaching there. That's what I've been told. I don't know Confirmed it yet.

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I have to I have to check it out All right now

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What I'm gonna do is get over to The radio comments real questions, let's see

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Let's see. Here we go. Then a regular visitor to your site for 15 years and oh

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Yeah, that's another thing I'd haven't looked at that. Yeah, it's a website he wants me to check it out This guy says

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I'm a former born -again evangelical Christian. I'm now an advocate for science and non -supernatural worldview I've developed what

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I believe to be the best. Yeah, I went through that looked at that It's an old stuff and he made lots of problems or left lots of mistakes.

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Let's see What happens immediately after God grants us belief and faith in Jesus? We're born again

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That's easy Causes to be born again first Peter 1 3 we're born again.

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Not of our own will John 1 12 13 There's so as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed x 1348.

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That's what it says So that's what happens. All right, let's get on the air with Jermaine Jeremiah Jeremiah.

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Welcome. You're on the air another dream Okay. Thanks. Sorry about that, man.

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What do you got buddy? No problem. Just for today. I want to ask, you know

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I see some of these ministries and some of them are very good. Some are suspect but is it ever?

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Okay? For the purposes of preaching for these ministers to name their ministries after themselves

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Now I'm not talking about for business as far as selling books But I just kind of it just feels weird when

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I see a ministry and it's the person's name up there So I just wanted to hear what you had to say

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Yeah, and having you know, my radio show called Matt slick live I Didn't want that title for the reason that you're saying don't anything named after me

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But they said it was a good name for the radio and a name we were using before faith and reason was taken by somebody

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Else so we had to change and the radio guy said look just go with Matt slick live and I finally succumbed to that aside from that different people have different reasons for for Naming a ministry after themselves and it just sounds pompous.

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It really does I wouldn't have you know, Matt slick ministries come to the evangelism of Matt slick.

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It just doesn't No, thanks, so Besides the last name not fitting. It just doesn't you know, it's just not right.

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I just don't get a good vibe out of it so You know, I think a ministry my opinion just my opinion

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Should be just named something generic so that when that person leaves Another person can come in and full and fill and they can keep going

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Because it's named after an individual and then that person dies moves on then what happens but I'm with you

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I don't really like the idea of naming a ministry after a person's own self unless there's a logistical

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Necessary reason for it. You know, I don't know all situations. Okay Okay, I did see some people who

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You know, I guess to make a little joke. They they may have been relatives They were they were kind of slick last night at the

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DNC and see a lot of slick talk. So Yes I'll wait till I'm done with tonight and finish up and then

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I'll have some more questions for you But yes, there's a lot of stuff going on for what I saw Lot of slick politicians out there and you know

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I thought with my last name which a lot of people think is a radio name that slick live think it's a radio name

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No, it's my real name. It's my birth name Etc slick and so I'd be perfect for politics as far as that goes

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But I would never make it because I could not lie ever Could not lie.

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And so I wouldn't be a good politician would I? Nope not at all.

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No rainbow tie or a collar or anything Rainbow tie. Uh -huh.

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No, no, and if they wanted to protest it say yeah protest all you want and Homosexuality and the lgbt woke coop stuff is all crap close the borders get them out of here

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Who came in illegally get rid of them? You want to come in do it with according to the law according to the system?

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We already have set up get rid of government as much as possible. Yeah, I'd be me Yeah, but the powers that be in a deep state wouldn't want that to happen

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So anyway, they have too much power money Okay, all right

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Thank you All right, man. God bless buddy. All right. All right now, let's get over to Dave from California Dave Welcome, you're on the air

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Oops, there's a break. Hey No We got a break

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The breaks coming up racist now coming up. Can you hold on? We'll get right back to you after the break Sorry about that.

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Hey folks. We right back after these messages. Please. Give me a call eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six be right back

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It's Matt Slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

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Here's Matt Slick All right I've been welcome back to the show to Dave here back in a minute when he's activated by the producer and if you want to Give me a call in the meantime.

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All you have to do is dial eight seven seven two zero seven two two

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Seven six it is easy. Let's get back on here with Dave. What's up, Dave? All right, Dave welcome you're back on here.

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Okay. Yeah, so found your things on the political party or platform of the

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Antichrist to be interesting however, also I've seen where comparing

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Christian and Islamic eschatology Basically their hero the maki or maki.

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I think I'm pronouncing that right Basically has all the characteristics of the Antichrist Correct So comparing that and one of the things specifically mentioned about being

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Him being homosexual Didn't seem to line up to me and possibly given how

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Islamic treatment of women that might be how it's interpreted. I just kind of was wondering your thoughts on that or if that was any

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Yeah, there's lots of issues about You know the Islamic issue what they are looking for they are looking for, you know, the

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Mahdi is Is ultimately the Antichrist and that's what certainly seems to be your observation is very good now it does appear that the

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Antichrist will be homosexual because he says it will he does not have any desire for women and that is

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Daniel 1137 so It could be the case that if just if the

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Muslim Person is the Antichrist, then he could hide his homosexuality or he

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You know and then active on in private or something happens and it's allowed who knows

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The Christian Church is becoming weaker and weaker Because it's keeping inside it's taking the size more and more off of Christ and putting it on to other things

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And so the the fallenness and the apostasy of Roman Catholicism Eastern Orthodoxy are right in line

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With the idea of following the Antichrist and a lot of Protestants probably will too. So who knows where he's going to come from?

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but Yeah, it's that you're right. This is it's an issue. Okay Okay, and another question somewhat unrelated

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I was just wondering if you could review an argument Sure, I haven't had it on anybody but if I if you got a minute,

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I'd curious your thoughts Okay has to do with the design arguments and their design arguments for the existence of God and my argument goes along the lines of assuming a complete understanding of Chemistry metallurgy

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Mechanical engineering and knowing exactly how rubber is made metal is made

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How to do upholstery all the aspects of how say a Model T is created down to the molecule

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So say we know all of that which science explains how things work Using that as the starting base

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Would it be logical to say since we know all that it means Henry Ford didn't make the Model T Because we know how it was made and how it works.

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So therefore this guy doesn't exist He couldn't have made it because we know how it works I was wondering if that's a good argument

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No, it's not. Sorry just because you know how something works doesn't mean that the one who made it it didn't make it

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So Nikola Tesla invented radio, but not Marconi. And so just because we know that he did that Okay, it doesn't mean we don't know how radio operates that seems to be the argument that atheists make is that we understand how it works and Because we know how it works we can see that it wasn't made

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No, that's not a logical necessity to say we know how it works so therefore we know it wasn't made by God With the you have to get to or the underlying principles the presuppositions

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So think about it this way every event and every object Exists within a causal chain that precedes backwards in time

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Everything does no single event. No single object exists

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Independent of a context in that causal chain What is the?

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initiator of the causal chain It's either the case that the causal chain goes back infinitely or it's not the case that it goes back infinitely

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If it goes back infinitely there are problems with that I could get into those And we could show why that's not possible

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Therefore the other up the only other option is that it was not the causal chain does not go back infinitely

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That means there's a beginning to the causal chain Then the causal chain is either personal or it's impersonal if it's impersonal

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There's certain problems that have to have the necessary sufficient conditions and I get into that and show what that doesn't work and then you're left with the personal thing and then from there

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I can show why a Unitarian idea of God is self -refuting and doesn't work

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I'm binary and doesn't work and why the Trinitarian is the the least and most

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Efficient a number of persons by which the completeness of the nature of God can be understood within itself and expressed within itself

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And then from there I would go into the issue of the one in the many Which is a philosophical conundrum for a lot of people but it's solved in the

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Trinitarian essence And then we get into primary secondary substances abstract entities and some other stuff that's highfalutin talk, but So there's these are the kinds of concepts people

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Christians need to know when they debate atheists at that level But you have to make sure that when you make a statement

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That they don't have a way to argue out of the statement So you want to get them to the point where they can't argue as we want to do

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They're gonna practice that. Okay, it's hard sometimes though. All right Okay, well that more or less covers what

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I was calling that Okay Yeah, I've talked to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of atheists and debated them and Atheism is very weak.

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It cannot account for our existence It cannot account for any objective moral standard

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And it cannot account for Rationality the universality of the laws of logic and things like that.

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So in the three major areas of Thought and categories of thought and understanding knowledge, etc

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Atheism cannot provide the necessary preconditions so that's something to point out and There's other areas we can talk about but I've written a book called apologetics and atheism and you can go to go to Amazon and you can find it.

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Okay. So anyway, all right, okay All right, well good keep thinking man keep thinking keep working it out so you gotta do

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All right, brother. You have a good one. You too. God bless All right, hey we have a few open lines eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six

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Brittany from Arizona welcome here on the air Hi Matt, I have some questions about the

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Presbyterian Church We just started going to one and it's new to us So I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on infant baptism and child communion

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Okay Do you have the denomination of that particular church it is

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PCA it's reformed nothing weird come up Yeah, I was a PCA pastor

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Presbyterian Church in America pastor for a while So Presbyterians are oh, there's the music.

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So Hold on we'll get back after the break. We'll talk about it. Okay. All right.

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Hey folks. We're right back after these messages, please Stay tuned It's Matt's like live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six.

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Here's Matt slick All right, buddy. Welcome back to the show. Let's get back on with Brittany from Arizona.

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Okay, Brittany is still there Yes, all right, all right, so Some of the characteristics and I'll address your question about infant baptism.

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So they're reformed five -point Calvinist they're usually a millennial and Cessationist so they did they don't they do not generally hold to the continuation of the charismatic gifts

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And Presbyterian means elder rule because that's where the Greek word presbyter us elder is

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Presbyter us elder Presbyterian, okay. All right so They could be traditional or non -traditional in their worship and stuff now do they so by definition

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Presbyterians affirm infant baptism now, I do I affirm it however

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It's never explicitly taught in Scripture and So because of that,

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I don't ever disfellowship with anyone. He doesn't hold my position and I'll explain why I hold it but and and they shouldn't do the same with me and So there are lots of churches that don't see it's a baptism in the

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New Testament because generally speaking baptism is for the believers and So therefore to baptize an infant is to mistakenly say they're believers.

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That's the implication there. However, a Counter -argument, this is the one

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I hold to and whether you agree or not, that's okay. We don't agree. That's fine It doesn't bother me. This is just why

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I hold to it. Is that the Abrahamic Covenant? Which is you know, very old where God promised to Abraham to To give him a blessing of the land and the

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Messiah to come through his lineage the sign of that covenant was circumcision and The circumcision was for the children at the eighth day the males only for obvious reasons

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But not just for the biological obvious reason but because also what's called

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Male headship and I won't get into that right now, but that's just part of the covenant aspect well in Genesis 12 3

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God said to Abraham in you all the nations shall be blessed and that's a prophecy of the coming

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Messiah and So that is a promise within the Abrahamic Covenant that God made to Abraham Well Paul the

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Apostle quotes that verse in Galatians 12 3 he quotes it in Galatians 3 8

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And says the gospel was preached before him to Abraham Saying in you all the nations shall be blessed because of that I Then see the

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Abrahamic Covenant as still being in effect. This is my opinion and therefore if I'm going to see the

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Why infant baptism which replaces circumcision, you know that but If the children are

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Excluded from the Covenant the Abrahamic Covenant that's still valid and I need to see something in the New Testament that excludes them and So that's why

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I hold to that position because I don't see anything like that whole households are baptized And I'm going to conclude that within that All households all over Israel were being baptized.

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You can't say there weren't any infants, but then again, this is a Circumstantial argument not proof and this is why

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I say well, you don't affirm that's okay now as far as As infant communion goes there's a problem with with that and the problem is that Let's see.

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Where is it exactly said? Yes This is 1st

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Corinthians 11 27 and 28 Whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the

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Lord in an unworthy manner shall be guilty of the body the blood of the Lord but a man must examine himself

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But in so doing he is to eat the bread and drink the cup. So can an infant do that?

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Examine him or herself in relationship to partake partaking to that and the answer as far as I know is no he cannot

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Therefore is not eligible for communion. Okay Okay Do you have time for another question sure do yes,

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I do hope that help Yes, I'm gonna let my husband listen to this

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What do you think about we heard them some of the members talking about communion and they were speaking about it in a way we

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Have never heard before Can you tell me how they view communion and is that is that okay?

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Is that biblical? Well when I was I went to Presbyterian seminary and And I remember in it being a little confused

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I hate to say that but a little bit confused on exactly what the position is and the reason

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I got a little confused is because I'm pretty uppity when it comes to Specifics, I need to know specifics.

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I want to know that's one of them so generally speaking And I'll compare it with Catholicism and Catholicism It's a heretical view that they have that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ.

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That's false the Lutheran view is One step this side of that and says that God is there somehow somewhere in the presence

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Inside the elements you're partaking of and you're blessed if you do that and I went to a Lutheran College And so that's what

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I was taught there and I didn't like that so I went to Presbyterian seminary and You got to understand that the

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Presbyterian Church a good one The PCA is good, but I've heard it's starting to go south a little bit

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But I did go to Presbyterian seminary PCA seminary. It was really good at the time, you know, and back and I graduated 91 so There's an incredibly rich heritage among the

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Presbyterians and a lot of people just don't know that In fact, our country was founded by Presbyterians the pilgrims were

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Presbyterian Calvinist who came over to create a nation here a godly nation They risked life and limb and travel to get here and starvation and things like that Some were fleeing persecution, but not all a lot of them came here voluntarily

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So the Presbyterian theological perspective Rarely is it's just communion.

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Just take it Usually it gets into means of grace aspects of the procedures and Understanding they get very detailed so it's a sign and a seal of The covenant in Presbyterian ism the covenant of God that is provided in the body and blood of Christ just as in Romans 4 11 baptism is seen as a sign and a seal and So in Colossians 2 11 and 12

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Paul says you've been baptized for the baptism Maybe the hands having been circumcised of the heart, you know be circumcised it relates baptism to it

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So Paul relates certain things with a sign and a seal I don't see that attributed biblically to communion, but I can certainly understand why theologians would say that because it is very much a sign and a seal the covenant of Redemptive confidence that God has made through Christ.

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You know, I don't have any problem with that. But what I have a problem with is When different groups say what happens to the soul when you take this and so If I were suddenly going to a

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Presbyterian Church again the validity of the communion supper is not dependent on the theological precision of the minister who

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Gives it or of the man at home who gives it or the mom at home who gives it It's dependent upon the reality of what

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God has done So I could go to a church and take communion that I'm not a

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Catholic when that's just heresy that is within Orthodoxy and and not worry about it

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So I could take it in a Presbyterian Church or a Baptist Church or a Calvary Chapel. No problem

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So now we're getting narrowing this down Presbyterianism tends to say that in the communion supper.

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There's an action of grace upon the soul that's Accompanied with the participation of it

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It is memorial in that you remember but it also is effective to the soul to accomplish various things that God wants

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That's the kind of language that makes me nervous but you gotta understand that that's just me and I'm not an expert in this in the

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Presbyterian context and I graduated from seminary back in 91 So, you know, it's been quite a while So if you were to talk to someone very knowledgeable about it

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And they were to give you the reasons and better ones that I'm giving you Then so be it then you had need to make your judgments and your you and your husband based upon that But as far as I understand they they teach

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Presbyterians teach that something happens to you when you take the communion and That that's what makes me nervous.

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And the reason it does I know I'm talking a lot here but the reason it makes me nervous is because I don't like the idea of Performing a ceremony on earth that results in a spiritual effect because to me that's sorcery and My cult examination background of studying cults since 1980 and Warring against them it triggers that That that muscle, you know that the cult there it is

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But that they don't mean it that way So I have a bit of a hurdle to overcome and then when

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I ask questions Well, what do you mean it happens to the soul exactly? What's the causation of it? Is God obligating himself?

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the communion supper to do something in the soul and if so What and if he is obligating where's he obligating himself show it to me in Scripture?

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And these are the questions that I don't get too many answers from people on and There's a break and I'll stop talking and we get back you can you can continue.

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I apologize There's just so much associated with this folks. We'd right back after these messages, please stay tuned

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It's Matt slick live taking your calls at eight seven seven two zero seven two two seven six, here's

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Matt slick Wow, it's already the last segment of the hour

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Wow Brittany, are you still there? Yes, okay,

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I know I gave you a lot of stuff there but one last quick My husband is gonna listen to this and we'll talk about it.

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Um, thank you Do you have more time? Do you have time for more questions or should I call back? Well, you have to call back because we've got more people waiting

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But I'd want to say when they teach that that infants are baptized they don't say that they're saved

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They just say they're participants in the Covenant and okay. All right Okay.

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Okay. Thank you. Sure. Well, you're welcome and call back. Okay. God bless. Yes Hope sorry about that.

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All right. Now, let's get to James from North Carolina James. Welcome. You're on here Thank you.

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I had a great day Yeah It I don't know if you remember or not, but maybe a couple weeks ago

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I called on asked if you had to have Asked God to come into your heart to be saved

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That's not what's Yeah, there's yeah, there's no phrase in the Bible. It says ask

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Jesus into your heart. That's a false teaching It's taught all over America, but it's not it we trust in Christ and his sacrifice on the cross we yield

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Our lives to him and we ask and seek the Lordship of Jesus Christ in that we trust in that blood sacrifice to cleanse us

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Of our sins. That's what we're supposed to do. Okay? so okay, so when it

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When they say that they always put their hand on their heart And it's not talking about the vital or organs you just talking about our brain is it not

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Well, the the Bible speaks of the heart as that man This descent the central part of our soul that the part of what makes us what we are.

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That's all it's doing Okay Okay, so we just believe and have faith in Christ Jesus and we are we are saved okay, that's

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Remember the answer that you gave me and I put it on our family page and I Challenged him and nobody can

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I think the kind of some of them got kind of mad at me because it's one of my sister

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Said well, it don't matter how it's worded. I said if it's not in the Bible, then it's not in the

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Bible and so I had some to go to Romans 10 and 9 immediately, but it doesn't play that So as many as trust in him to them think he's right to go be called the children of God and that's

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Roman That's John 1 12. So we trust in Christ. We believe in Christ.

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We receive Christ. These are all biblical terms It's that's what we do. He died in the cross. He's God in flesh

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He rose from the dead and we receive that's that that we receive Christ You receive him and so he lives in us and But to ask him into our heart is

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I would never say that in a evangelistic ask Jesus into your heart What does that mean?

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what it should be is confess your sins before the Lord Jesus Christ and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins and Put trust in him and him alone not in your baptism and Jesus not in your

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Sacraments in Jesus not in your works and Jesus By faith alone in God in flesh who died in the cross rose from the dead that is what we need to be born again, okay

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Okay, that's a next question I'd like to ask you being born again,

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I talked to one of my sisters and Was telling her those scriptures that you just told me and you know about John 3 6 10 and all this and I should

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I said you but you know, we must be born again. She said now that's something

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I've never understand How can you be born again? Well, it goes right on down and says what

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Nicodemus say what he told Nicodemus where she says now

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I Think happy. She said how can you do that? How can you be born twice? That she says that we are already in heaven and we are not home

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Until we are, you know born from a womb and come on the earth.

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She says how can you be born again? Well, yes, we got you

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So did you tell her that didn't means that you it means to trust in Christ and to receive Christ as Savior?

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That's what it means. Okay Yeah, exactly and She said

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I just don't understand that and she said Which and down here and and she

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I kept on reading anyway she stopped I stopped at verse 12 in John chapter 3 and she said and She said now tell me what

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John 13 says 3 to 13 And no man has the

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Senate up to heaven but he came down from heaven even even the

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Son of Man which is in heaven and She said Nobody that's the reason she said, okay

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Yeah, you have a question because you ask the question and you know, we got to it and now you're seeing with this that she's arguing but Do you have a specific question?

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No Well, I Won't know if you had a quick that that was a question

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How do I respond to that? I mean just what when we are born again we are

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I think it's second Corinthians 5 17 says we are a creature in Christ people

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So that's right Okay, so You're fine.

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Yeah, it's fine. Sure Yeah, I just want I've been in going to church for a long time and I've learned so much in the past I say six or seven years and I've you know people

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I will preach and not Not preach it like the Bible says That's true

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I Want to call and talk just a minute and but the question was how to be born again

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And you answered it and she I think we get her to understand to keep reading it

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Okay, that's right. You can go to karm and you can read up read the article What does it mean for a Christian to be born again, and it goes in there and talks about it?

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Okay All right Okay. All right. Thank you You welcome.

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Well, God bless. Okay All right, let's see next longest waiting person is

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Jay from Ohio Jay welcome you're on the air Hey Matt, we're taking my call sure.

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How you doing today doing? All right hanging in there more hanging than in there But I'm hanging in there

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Good buddy here. Hey, um, so I was just curious on your thoughts of The issue between the abolition of abortion and pro -life are you aware of like the distinctions between the two?

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I Don't know Okay, so Yeah for sure.

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Um, so basically I I would hold to an abolitionist position on abortion, which essentially says

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Babies are human from the moment of fertilization The premeditated

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Unjustified taking of a human life is murder Therefore we should impose equal protection

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And treat abortion as murder to anyone who performs an abortion, basically now the pro -life

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And this I I know personally pro -life people who would agree wholeheartedly with that But essentially the big like pro -life

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Organizations from the top down would say it's referred to as the second victim narrative and they would treat a woman

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Who would let's say take an abortion pill to abort her own baby She also is a victim along with the baby

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So typically what will happen in those instances when we would push forward a

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They're commonly referred to as bills of equal protection so we you know a

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Human is a human in the womb. Therefore. It should have the same protections that we do outside of the womb

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And those are almost every single time shot down not by Would you have a question people

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Yeah, no, I I was that was that was it I was just wondering if you where you stood on that on that issue

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Yeah Life doesn't begin at conception It continues at conception and the fertilization for like egg is a human being and it should not be killed for the convenience of of anybody the only possibility

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Justification of an abortion would be if you know or it's basically a fact that the mother and the child will die

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That's the only way I could see any justification and even then I'm hesitant but for rape for Inconvenience for whatever that doesn't justify it

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Nor is it a birth defect? That doesn't justify it either and there should be criminal

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Charges brought against those who would just go out and just kill the human life in the womb.

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Absolutely Yeah. Yeah, I agree with that So that's

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I'm just curious because this is like a common Response to that.

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Are you aware of like? if a woman is about to give birth to a child and a doctor is

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Foreseeing that she may have some life -threatening You know issue in the delivery of the baby

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Are you aware of a situation off the top of your head where that is the case? No, I'm not.

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I'm not a doctor. Okay Yeah Yeah, yeah and this even my condition there's a it's a very

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It's it's very very very very uncommon. I've heard Doctors say there are conditions in which it can occur, but it's exceedingly rare That's just it, right

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So that's the only way I could see that if you know, both will die if that's the case but that's all

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I can find and my wife and I we discussed the issue if someone and I'm careful because might be children

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I Should have said the word our word, but if she was Attacked and became pregnant

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That child would be our child We've already discussed that that's just how it is It's not the child's fault and I'd raise that child as my child without any distinguishing

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Just between my biological children and that child. I've already decided that plus Plus we discussed the issue of what happens if a child that we have has a birth defect and lo and behold, that's exactly what did happen and Jacob our son had holoprosencephaly and he

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Died in our arms after being born and they said you're bored. I'm sorry to hear that Yeah, it was horrible.

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And one of the best things I've ever heard my wife ever say Still remember it where she was sitting to my right and we're in the room when she's pregnant and that lady the nurse said

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Told us what it was. We're just sitting there sober minded sober, but just like what? Hearing all this stuff and you know that her child is this and that in the womb and I mean, you know, it's just it's just it's horrible and Yeah, then the lady said and if you want you can opt for abortion and my wife immediately

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Said don't ever bring that up. That's never gonna happen. It's not an option. I Was so proud

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Yeah, that's amazing good woman She's great Well, I think she's got pretty good taste if I know we're

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I know we got like I know we got like a minute left. I just wanted to if I could just Come at you a little bit here.

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Sure so when if there is a Foreseeable situation which again this entirely relies on The doctor's opinion at this point if the mother is going to have a risk to her life and the baby will have a risk to her life

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Either way that baby must come out of the womb. Okay, so she still has to deliver the child either way

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So the risk doesn't justify it is we got to go. There's the music. Sorry. We're just out of time call back tomorrow

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Let's finish this. Okay, good. We're out of time. Yeah, buddy Thank you there. Yep. All right.

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God bless. Sorry about that Just the timing and the Lord bless you by his grace back on here tomorrow. Have a good evening