Matt Slick Live: August 22, 2024

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Let's get to Anonymous from Raleigh, North Carolina.

Anonymous, welcome.

You're on the air.

Oh, good evening, brother.

I pray you're doing well in your life.

Oh, I am, by God's grace.

Oh, same here.

If you would, something odd, and I'm shoddy even to ask, but what the heck.

I saw online on the web about people saying visions, talking about angels

and different visions they're seeing over Israel.

I haven't heard anything.

I've not heard anything.

Some of it's legit, like they had Hannity, not Hannity, Tucker

Carlson on there even.

So, I mean, I know AI can be -.

You said it?

Yeah, and they were showing, and I thought everyone would have known by now more than

that, I would think.

I'm just, you know.

No, I've not heard anything like that.

I'm curious.

Yeah, it's a tip.

I do know that they're having, Muslims are having visions and dreams of Jesus, and they're being converted by the

thousands.

That is happening.

Oh, my gosh.

Yes, that's been going on for quite a while.

So -.

Okay, okay.

Yeah, but I mean, I'm just, I'm sitting there.

It's hard to, well, it's not so easy to shock me, but I'm sitting there with my mouth open

like an emoji.

Yeah, so anyway, with that, but I want to thank you also.

I enjoy listening to you every single night.

So, or Monday through Friday.

So, we'll have your protection around you and yours.

I'm sorry, sir?

No, I do appreciate that, and if, you know, if you have any documentation or anything like that,

let me know.

I would like to check it out, because if they're having visions and dreams, I want to know what's going on.

They have, well, it's on YouTube.

You look, if you just look, Google it or whatever they go or, yeah.

I mean, so, like I said, I would think it'd be a lot more news about it than that, but

thank you.

You've exploded my heart with joy to hear about the Muslims

turning.

Yeah, yes, it's a big deal.

It's a big deal over there in the Muslim areas, and Al Jazeera has

mentioned it.

Al Jazeera has complained about it because they can't stop it, and it's,

there's definitely reports, people having visions and dreams.

They're coming to Christ over in the Middle East.

There's, it's just happening all over the place, and the biggest underground church in the whole area over there is in

Iran.

So, it's growing, and then here in America, people are.

Turning their backs on Christ.

I know, and I know that because I've seen him myself.

I was born on Easter.

I mean, but y 'all didn't have any choice in this.

I've had many motorcycle wrecks, head injuries, overdoses.

Y 'all whisper that, right?

Nobody will know.

I mean, things that I'm not held accountable.

There's no way.

There's no way that I'm still alive, and there's a lot of stuff that I have

forgotten about, and lately, since I started thinking more and more, he said, okay, well, what about this?

I'm going, huh?

He said, did you forget about this?

I'm like, huh?

I just feel his spirit so strong in so many different ways, and I do feel we're very, very close to

something, but we know that he's got us.

So, that's, you know, faith over fear.

That's right.

That's right.

I know you're alive, and I know.

He leaves me breathless, and I just, he's real.

He's real.

He's real.

God bless you, brother, and all the very best to you and whoever's listening out there, Radio Land.

Okay, well, God bless.

I love you, too, my friend.

Bye -bye.

Okay.

Wow.

All right.

Hey, no, I've not heard anything about that.

If you have any documentation about that, you can email me at infoatcarm .org,

C -A -R -M dot O -R -G, and I'd love to hear about it because that would be really interesting to know.

So, yeah, I'm interested.

All right.

We have nobody waiting right now, and today is Thursday, so sometimes when there's nobody waiting right now,

when I do that, what I'll do is go to the emails and to check out what people have

sent in and comments and questions and things like that.

So, I think what I'm going to do is, oh, interesting,

interesting.

We've got someone who might want to do some Indonesian

translations.

Let's see.

Here's a comment.

We spoke about two years ago when we had arranged a Mariology debate that never materialized.

Would you be interested in revisiting this and setting this up on a neutral platform?

Consequently, if you don't want to debate the Mariam dogmas anymore, I'm willing to let you pick whatever topic you want.

Here, I'm going to do this right now.

Oh, man, what happened?

There we go.

My program crashed.

Did it crash?

Yeah, no, there it is.

So, this is a, I get these challenges every now and then, and I, you know, yeah, I'd like to

debate Mari and stuff.

So, yeah.

So, yes.

There we go.

See?

And I could just do right there.

I'm going to be debating in November.

I think it's November.

Having a debate, I'm going to go down to Yorba Linda in three weeks

to speak at a conference on Islam.

And I've been told that I'm supposed to preach at Calvary Chapel in Norco.

So, if you guys know where that is, you know, be there.

At any rate, I'll be preaching there.

That's what I've been told.

I'm not confirmed it yet.

I have to check it out.

All right.

Now, what I'm going to do is get over to the radio comments, radio

questions.

Let's see.

Let's see.

Here we go.

I've been a regular visitor to your site for 15 years.

And, oh, yeah, that's another thing.

I haven't looked at that yet.

It's a website he wants me to check out.

This guy says, I'm a former born again evangelical Christian.

I'm now an advocate for science and non -supernatural worldview.

I've developed what I believe to be the best.

Yeah, I went through that and looked at that.

This is old stuff.

And he made lots of problems or lots of mistakes.

Let's see.

What happens immediately after God grants us belief and faith in Jesus?

We're born again.

That's easy.

He causes us to be born again, 1 Peter 1 .3.

We're born again, not of our own will, John 1 .12 .13.

As many as had been appointed to eternal life, believed.

Acts 13 .48.

That's what it says.

So that's what happens.

All right.

Let's get on the air with Jermaine, Jeremiah.

Jeremiah, welcome.

You're on the air.

I'm Jermaine.

OK, thanks.

Sorry about that, man.

What do you got, buddy?

No problem.

Just for today, I want to ask, you know, I see some of these ministries and some of them are very good.

Some are suspect.

But is it ever OK for the purposes of preaching for these ministers to

name their ministries after themselves?

I'm not talking about for business as far as selling books, but I just kind of it just feels weird when I see a

ministry and it's the person's name up there.

So I just wanted to hear what you.

Had to say.

Yeah.

And having, you know, my radio show called Matt Slick Live, I didn't

want that title for the reason that you're saying.

Don't want anything named after me.

But they said it was a good name for the radio and the name we were using before, Faith and Reason, was taken by somebody

else.

So we had to change.

And the radio guy said, look, just go with Matt Slick Live.

And I finally succumbed to that.

Aside from that, different people have different reasons for

for naming a ministry after themselves.

And it just sounds pompous.

It really does.

I wouldn't have, you know, Matt Slick Ministries come to the evangelism of Matt Slick.

It just no thanks.

So besides the last name, not fitting.

It just doesn't you know, it's just not right.

I just don't get a good vibe out of it.

So, you know, I think a ministry, my opinion, just my opinion should be just

named something generic so that when that person leaves, another person can come in and fill and fill

and they can keep going because it's named after an individual.

And then that person dies, moves on.

Then what happens?

But I'm with you.

I don't really like the idea of naming a ministry after a person's own self, unless there's a logistical

necessary reason for.

It.

You know, I don't know all situations.

Okay.

Okay.

I did see some people who, you know, I guess to make a little joke, they may have been relatives.

They were they were kind of slick last night at the DNC and seeing a lot of slick talk.

So yes, I'll wait till I'm done with tonight

and finish up and then I'll have some more questions for you guys.

There's a lot of.

Stuff going on for what I saw.

A lot of slick politicians out there.

And, you know, I thought with my last name, which a lot of people think is a radio name, Matt Slick Live.

I think it's a radio name.

No, it's my real name.

It's my birth name, etc.

Slick.

And so I'd be perfect for politics as far as that goes.

But I would never make it because I could not lie ever.

Could not lie.

And so I wouldn't be a good politician, would I?

Nope, not at all.

No rainbow tie or a collar or anything.

Nope.

Not a rainbow tie.

Uh -uh.

No, no.

And if they wanted to protest, I'd say, yeah, protest all you want.

And homosexuality and LGBTQ stuff is all crap.

Close the borders.

Get them out of here who came in illegally.

Get rid of them.

You want to come in, do it with according to the law, according to the system we already have set up.

Get rid of government as much as possible.

Yeah, I'd be me.

Yeah.

But the powers that be in a deep state wouldn't want that to happen.

So anyway, they have too much power and money.

OK.

All right.

All right.

Thank you.

All right.

God bless, buddy.

All right.

All right.

Now let's get over to Dave from California.

Dave, welcome.

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All right, Dave.

Welcome.

You're.

On the air.

Okay.

Yeah.

So found your things on the political party or

platform of the Antichrist to be interesting.

However, also I've seen where comparing Christian and Islamic eschatology,

basically their hero, the Mahdi, I think I'm pronouncing that right,

basically has all the characteristics of the Antichrist.

Correct.

So comparing that to one of the things specifically mentioned about

being and being homosexual

didn't seem to line up to me, possibly given how Islamic treatment of women, that might be how it's

interpreted.

I just kind of was wondering your thoughts on that or if that was any.

Yeah, there's lots of issues about, you know, the Islamic issue, what they are looking for.

They are looking for, you know, the Mahdi is is

ultimately the Antichrist.

That's what it certainly seems to be.

Your observation is very good.

Now, it does appear that the Antichrist will be homosexual because he says it will.

He does not have any desire for women.

And that is Daniel 1137.

So it could be the case that if just if the Muslim person

is the Antichrist, then he could hide his homosexuality or he, you know,

and then act out of private or something happens and it's allowed.

Who knows?

The Christian church is becoming weaker and weaker because it's keeping its eye, it's taking

its eyes more and more off of Christ and putting it on to other things.

And so the the fallenness and the apostasy of Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxy are

right in line with the idea of following the Antichrist.

And a lot of Protestants probably will, too.

So who knows where he's going to come from?

But, yeah, that's that.

You're right.

It's an.

Issue.

OK, OK.

And another question somewhat unrelated.

I was just wondering if you could review an argument.

Sure, I haven't had it on anybody, but if I if you got a minute, I'd curious about.

OK, it has to do with the design arguments and their

design arguments for the existence of God.

And my argument goes along the lines of assuming a complete understanding of

chemistry, metallurgy, mechanical engineering and knowing exactly

how rubber is made, metal is made, how to do upholstery, all the

aspects of how, say, a Model T is created down to the molecule.

So say we know all of that, which science explains how things work.

Using that as the starting base, would it be logical to say, since we know all that, it

means Henry Ford didn't make the Model T because we know how it was made and how it works.

So therefore, this guy doesn't exist.

He couldn't have made it because we know how it works.

I was wondering if that's a good argument.

No, it's not.

Sorry.

Just because you know how something works doesn't mean that the one who made it didn't make it.

So Nikola Tesla invented radio, not Marconi.

And so just because we know that he did that, OK, it doesn't mean we don't.

Know how radio operates.

Because that seems to be the argument that atheists make is that we understand how it works.

And because we know how it works, we can see that it wasn't made.

That's how they necessitate.

No, that's not a logical necessity to say we know how it works, so therefore we know it wasn't made by God.

What you have to get to are the underlying principles, the presuppositions.

So think about it this way.

Every event and every object exists within a

causal chain that precedes backwards in time.

Everything does.

No single event, no single object exists independent

of a context in that causal chain.

What is the initiator of the causal chain?

It's either the case that the causal chain goes back infinitely or it's not the case that it goes back infinitely.

If it goes back infinitely, there are problems with that.

I could get into those and we could show why that's not possible.

Therefore, the only other option is that the causal chain does not go back infinitely.

That means there's a beginning to the causal chain.

Then the causal chain is either personal or it's impersonal.

If it's impersonal, there's certain problems that have to have the necessary sufficient conditions, and I can get into that and show why that

doesn't work.

Then you're left with the personal thing.

Then from there, I can show why a Unitarian idea of God is self -refuting

and doesn't work, why Binitarian doesn't work, and why the Trinitarian is the least

and most efficient number of persons by which the completeness of the nature of God can be

understood and expressed within itself.

Then from there, I would go into the issue of the one and the many, which is a

philosophical conundrum for a lot of people, but it's solved in the Trinitarian essence.

Then we get into primary and secondary substances, abstract entities, and some other stuff that's highfalutin talk.

These are the kinds of concepts Christians need to know when they debate atheists at that level.

You have to make sure that when you make a statement that they don't have a way to argue

out of the statement.

You want to get them to the point where they can't argue.

That's what you want to do.

You've got to practice that.

It's hard.

Sometimes, though.

All right?

Okay.

Well, that more or less covers what I was calling to ask.

Yeah, I've talked to hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of atheists and debated them.

Atheism is very weak.

It cannot account for our existence.

It cannot account for any objective moral standard, and it cannot account for

rationality, the universality of the laws of logic, and things like that.

So in the three major areas of thought and

categories of thought, understanding, knowledge, etc., atheism cannot provide the necessary

preconditions.

So that's something to point out.

And there's other areas we can talk about.

But I've written a book called Apologetics and Atheism, and you can go to

Amazon and you can find it.

Okay?

So anyway, all right.

Okay.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

All right.

Well, good.

Keep thinking, man.

Keep thinking.

Keep working it out.

You've got to do.

All right, brother.

Have a good one.

You too.

God bless.

All right.

Hey, we have a few open lines.

877 -207 -2276.

Brittany from Arizona.

Welcome.

Here on the air.

Hi, Matt.

I have some questions about the Presbyterian Church.

We just started going to one, and it's new to us.

So I just wanted to know what your thoughts were on.

Infant baptism and child communion.

Okay.

Do you have the denomination of that particular.

Church?

It is PCA.

It's reformed.

Nothing weird has come up.

Yeah.

I was a PCA pastor,.

Presbyterian Church in America pastor for a while.

So Presbyterians are...

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Welcome back to the show.

Let's get back on with Brittany from Arizona.

Okay, Brittany, you're still there?

Yes.

All right.

All right.

So some of the characteristics, and I'll address your question about infant baptism.

So they're reformed, five -point Calvinist.

They're usually amillennial and cessationist.

So they do not generally hold to the continuation of the charismatic gifts.

And Presbyterian means elder rule, because that's where the Greek word presbyteros, elder, is.

Presbyteros, elder, Presbyterian.

Okay.

All right.

So they could be traditional or non -traditional in their worship and stuff.

So by definition, Presbyterians affirm infant baptism.

Now, I do.

I affirm it.

However, it's never explicitly taught in scripture.

And so because of that, I don't ever disfellowship with anyone who doesn't hold my position.

And I'll explain why I hold it.

And they shouldn't do the same with me.

And so there are lots of churches that don't see infant baptism in the New Testament, because

generally speaking, baptism is for the believers.

And so therefore, to baptize an infant is to mistakenly say they're believers.

That's the implication there.

However, a counter argument, this is the one I hold to.

And whether you agree or not, that's okay.

If you don't agree, that's fine.

It doesn't bother me.

This is just why I hold to it, is that the Abrahamic covenant which is

very old, where God promised to Abraham to give him a

blessing of the land and the Messiah to come through his lineage.

The sign of that covenant was circumcision.

And the circumcision was for the children at the eighth day, the males only for obvious reasons,

but not just for the biological obvious reason, but because also what's called a male

headship.

And I won't get into that right now, but that's just part of the covenant aspect.

Well, in Genesis 12 .3, God said to Abraham, in you, all the nations shall be

blessed.

And that's a prophecy of the coming Messiah.

And so that is a promise within the Abrahamic covenant that God made to Abraham.

Well, Paul, the apostle quotes that verse in Galatians 12 .3.

He quotes it in Galatians 3 .8 and says the gospel was preached before

him to Abraham saying in you, all the nations shall be blessed.

Because of that, I then see the Abrahamic covenant as still being in effect.

This is my opinion.

And therefore, uh, if I'm going to see the, uh, why

infant baptism, which replaces circumcision, I'm getting to that.

But, uh, if the children are excluded from the covenant, the Abrahamic covenant, that's

still valid.

And I need to see something in the new Testament that excludes them.

And so that's why I hold to that position because I don't see anything like that whole households are baptized.

And I'm going to conclude that within that, uh, all households all over Israel were being baptized.

You can't say there weren't any infants, but that again, this is a circumstantial argument,

not proof.

And this is why I say, well, if you don't affirm, that's okay.

Now, as far as, uh, as infant communion goes,

there's a problem with, with that.

And the problem is that, uh, let's see, where is it exactly said?

Um, yes, this is first Corinthians 11, 27 and

28.

Whoever eats the bread and drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner shall be guilty of the body and the

blood of the Lord.

But a man must examine himself.

And in so doing he is to eat the bread and drink the cup.

So can an infant do that examine him or herself in relationship to

partake or taking to that?

And the answer, as far as I know is no, he cannot.

Therefore he's not eligible for communion.

Okay.

Okay.

Do you have time for another question?

Sure do.

Yes, I do hope that helped.

Yes.

I'm going to let my husband listen to this.

Um, uh, what do you think about, we heard them, some of the members talking about

communion and they were speaking about it in a way we have never heard before.

Um, can you tell me how they view communion and is that, is that okay?

Is that biblical?

Well, when I was, I went to Presbyterian seminary and, and I

remember in it being a little confused.

I hate to say that, but a little bit confused on exactly what the position is.

And the reason I got a little confused is because I'm pretty uppity when it comes to

specifics.

I need to know specifics.

I want to know this one of that.

So generally speaking, and I'll compare it with Catholicism and Catholicism, it's a

heretical view that they have that the bread and wine become the actual body and blood of Christ.

That's false.

The Lutheran view is a one step this side of that and says that God is there

somehow, somewhere in the presence inside the elements you're partaking of, and you're blessed if you do that.

And I went to a Lutheran college.

And so that's what I was taught there.

And I, I didn't like that.

So I went to Presbyterian seminary and you've got to understand that the Presbyterian church, a good one,

the PCA is good, but I've heard it's starting to go south a little bit, but I did go to Presbyterian seminary,

PCA seminary.

It was really good at the time, you know, back in, I graduated in 91.

So there's an incredibly rich heritage among the Presbyterians and a

lot of people just don't know that.

In fact, our country was founded by Presbyterians.

The pilgrims were Presbyterian Calvinists who came over to create a nation here, a godly nation.

They risked life and limb and travel to get here and starvation and things like that.

Some were fleeing persecution, but not all.

A lot of them came here voluntarily.

So the Presbyterian theological perspective rarely is it's just

communion.

Just take it.

Usually it gets into means of grace, aspects of

the procedures and understanding.

They get very detailed.

So it's a sign and a seal of the covenant in Presbyterianism,

the covenant of God that is provided in the body and blood of Christ.

Just as in Romans 4, 11, baptism is seen as a sign and a seal.

And so in Colossians 2, 11 and 12, Paul says, you've been baptized for the baptism.

Maybe the hands having been circumcised of the circumcised relates baptism to it.

I get it reversed.

So Paul relates certain things with a sign and a seal.

I don't see that attributed biblically to communion, but I can certainly understand why

theologians would say that, because it is very much a sign and a seal, the covenant

of redemptive confidence that God has made through Christ.

Now, I don't have any problem with that.

But what I have a problem with is when different groups say what

happens to the soul when you take this.

And so if I were suddenly going to a Presbyterian church again, the

validity of the communion supper is not dependent on the theological precision of the

minister who gives it or of the man at home who gives it or the mom at home who gives it.

It's dependent upon the reality of what God has done.

So I could go to a church and take communion that I'm not a Catholic one.

That's just heresy that is within orthodoxy and not worry about it.

So I could take it in a Presbyterian church or a Baptist church or Calvary Chapel.

No problem.

So now we're getting narrowing this down.

Presbyterianism tends to say that in the communion supper, there's an action of grace

upon the soul that's accompanied with the participation of it.

It is memorial in that you remember, but it also is effective to the soul to accomplish various

things that God wants.

That's the kind of language that makes me nervous.

But you got to understand that that's just me.

And I'm not an expert in this in the Presbyterian context.

And I graduated from seminary back in 91.

So it's been quite a while.

So if you were to talk to someone very knowledgeable about it and they were to give you the reasons and better ones that I'm giving you,

then so be it.

Then you need to make your judgments and you and your husband based upon that.

But as far as I understand, they, they teach Presbyterians teach that

something happens to you when you take the communion and that that's what makes me nervous.

And the reason it does, I know I'm talking a lot here, but the reason it makes me nervous is because I don't like the idea

of performing a ceremony on earth that results in a spiritual effect.

Because to me, that's sorcery.

And my cult examination background of studying cults since 1980

and warring against them, it triggers that, uh, that, that muscle, you know,

like the cult, but they don't mean it that way.

So I have a bit of a hurdle to overcome.

And then when I ask questions, well, what do you mean it happens to the soul?

Exactly?

What's the causation of it?

Is God obligating himself to do something in the soul?

And if so, what, and if he is obligating, where's the obligating himself show it to me in scripture.

And these are the questions that I don't get too many answers from people on, and there's a break

and I'll stop talking and we get back.

You can, you can continue.

I apologize.

There's just so much associated with this folks.

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Brittany, are you still there?

Yes.

I know I gave you a lot of stuff there, but one last quick,

my husband is going.

To listen to this and we'll talk about it.

Um, thank you.

Do you have more time?

Do you have.

Time for more questions or should I call back?

Well, you have to call back cause we've got more people waiting.

Uh, but I just want to say when they teach that, that infants are baptized, they don't say that they're saved.

They just say they're participants in the covenant and, uh, okay.

All right.

Okay.

Okay.

Thank you.

Sure.

Well, you're welcome and call back.

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Now let's get to James from North Carolina.

James,.

Welcome.

You're on here.

Thank you.

I hope you had a great day.

Yeah.

Have a good day.

Yes.

I don't know if you remember or not, but maybe a couple of weeks ago I called and asked if you had to

have, ask God to come into your heart to be saved.

That's not what's.

Yeah, there's, yeah, there's no phrase in the Bible that says, ask Jesus into your heart.

That's a false teaching.

It's taught all over America, but it's not it.

We trust in Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.

We yield our lives to him and we ask and seek the Lordship of Jesus

Christ and that we trust in that blood sacrifice to cleanse us of our sins.

That's what we're supposed.

To do.

Okay.

So, okay.

So when it, uh, when they say that they always put their hand on their heart

and it's not talking about the vital organs, you're just talking about our brain, is it not?

Well, the, the Bible speaks of the heart as that, as the central

part of our soul, that, that part of what makes us what we are.

That's all it's doing.

Okay.

Okay.

So we just believe and have faith in Christ Jesus and we're, we are saved.

Okay.

I remember the answer that you gave me and I put it on our family page and I

challenged him and nobody can, I think that kind of, some of them got kind of mad at me because it's one

of my sisters said, well, it don't matter how it's worded.

I said, if it's not in the Bible, then it's not in the Bible.

And so I had some to go to a Romans 10 and nine immediately,.

But it doesn't say that as many as trust in him to them.

He gave the right to go be called the children of God.

And that's Roman, that's John one 12.

So we trust in Christ.

We believe in Christ.

We receive Christ.

These are all biblical terms.

And so that's what we do.

He died in the cross.

He's God in flesh.

He rose from the dead and we receive that, that, uh, that we've received Christ.

We receive him.

And so he lives in us.

And, uh, but to ask him into our heart is, I would never say that in a evangelistic ask

Jesus into your heart.

What does that mean?

What it should be is confess your sins before the Lord, Jesus Christ, and ask him to forgive you of all of your sins and

put trust in him and him alone.

Not in your baptism in Jesus, not in your sacraments in Jesus, not in your works and Jesus, but just

Jesus by faith alone in God in flesh who died in the cross, rose from the dead.

That is what we need to be born again.

Okay.

Okay.

Uh, that's a next question.

I'd like to ask you, uh, being born again, I talked to one of my sisters

and, uh, uh, I was telling her those scriptures that you just told

me, and you know, about John three, six, 10, and all this.

And, uh, I shoot, I said, no, we must be born again.

She said, now that's something I've never understand.

How can you be born again?

Well, it goes right on down and says what Nicodemus said, what he told Nicodemus

where she says now, uh, I think happy.

She said, how can you do that?

How can you be born twice?

I said, she says that we are already in heaven and we are not

until we are, you know, born from womb and come on the earth.

She says, how can you be born again?

Well, yes, we, I gotcha.

So did you tell her that it means that you, it means to trust in Christ and.

Receive Christ as savior.

And that's what it means.

Okay.

Yeah, exactly.

And, uh, uh, she said, I just don't understand that.

And, uh, she said, uh, and down here in, uh, and she, uh, I

kept on reading anyway.

She just thought I stopped at verse 12 in John chapter three.

And she said, and, uh, she said, now tell me what John

13 says through 13.

And no man has ascended up to heaven, but he came down from

heaven.

Even even the son of man, which is in heaven.

And she said, nobody, that's the reason she said, okay, well,

hold on.

Hold on.

Yeah.

Do you have.

A question?

Because you asked the question and, and, you know, we got to it and now you're seeing.

What she's arguing, but do you have a specific question though?

Well, uh, I wouldn't know if you had a quick, that was a

question.

How do I respond to that?

I mean, just when we are born again, we are, uh, I think it's,

uh, second Corinthians five, 17 says that we are a creature in Christ.

So that's right.

So, uh, yeah, it's fine.

Sure.

Yeah.

I just want to, I've been in going to church for a long time and I've learned so much

in the past, I'll say six or seven years that I've, you know, people will preach

and not, not preach it like the Bible says.

That's true.

But I just want to call and talk just a minute.

And the, but the question was how to be born again.

And you answered it.

And she, I think we get her to understand to keep.

Reading it.

Okay.

That's right.

You can go to carm and you can read a, read the article.

What does it mean for a Christian to be born again?

And it goes in there and talks about it.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

All right.

Thank you.

You're welcome.

Well, God bless.

All right, let's see.

Next longest waiting person is Jay from Ohio.

Jay.

Welcome.

You're on the air.

Hey Matt, thanks for taking my call.

Sure.

How you doing today?

Doing all right.

Hanging in there more hanging in there, but I'm hanging in there.

So what do you got?

Good.

Glad to hear it.

Hey, so I was just curious on your thoughts of, uh, the issue

between the abolition of abortion and pro -life.

Are you aware of like the distinctions between the two?

I, no, no, I'm not.

Okay.

So yeah, for sure.

Um, so basically, um, I, I, I would hold to an abolitionist position on

abortion, which essentially says, uh, babies are

human from the moment of fertilization.

Um, the premeditated unjustified taking of a human life is murder.

Therefore we should impose equal protection, um, and treat abortion

as murder to anyone who performs an abortion basically.

Now the pro -life, um, and this, I know personally pro

-life people who would agree wholeheartedly with that.

Um, but essentially the big like pro -life organizations from the top down would say

it's referred to as the second victim narrative.

And they would treat a woman who would, let's say, take an abortion pill to abort her own

baby.

Um, she also is a victim along with the baby.

So typically what will happen in those instances when we would push forward a,

they're commonly referred to as bills of equal protection.

Um, so we, you know, a human is a human in the womb.

Therefore it should have the same protections that we do outside of the womb.

Um, and those are almost every single time shot down, not by

people.

Yeah, no, I, I, that was, that was the, I was just wondering if you, where you stood on that,.

On that issue.

Yeah.

It, it, life doesn't begin at conception.

It continues at conception and the fertilization is a human being and it should not be killed for the

convenience of, of anybody.

The only possibility justification of an abortion would be if you know, or it's

basically a fact that the mother and the child will die.

That's the only way I could see any justification.

And even then I'm hesitant, but, uh, for rape, for, uh, inconvenience for whatever,

uh, that doesn't justify it.

Um, nor is it a birth defect, uh, that doesn't justify it either.

And there should be criminal, uh, charges brought against those who would just go out and just kill the

human life in the womb.

Absolutely.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I agree with that.

Um, so that's, I I'm, I'm just curious, cause this is like a common, uh, response

to that.

Are you aware of like, if a woman is about to give birth to a child

and the doctor is foreseeing that she may have some life threatening, you know,

issue in the delivery of the baby, are you aware of a situation off the top of your head where that is the

case?

No, I'm not.

I'm not a doctor.

Okay.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Cause yeah.

Yeah.

And this, even my condition, there's a, it's a very, uh, it's, it's very, very, very, very uncommon.

I've heard doctors say there are conditions in which it can occur, but it's exceedingly rare.

That's just it.

Right.

So, uh, that's the only way I could see that if you know, both will die,

if that's the case, but that's all I can find.

And my wife and I, we discussed the issue.

If someone, and I'm careful cause it might be children.

I shouldn't have said the word, our word.

But if she was, uh, uh, attacked and became pregnant,

uh, that child would be our child.

We've already discussed that.

That's just how it is.

It's not the child's fault.

And, uh, I'd raise that child as my child without any distinguishing, uh, between my

biological children and, uh, and, uh, that child, I've already decided that.

Plus, um, plus, uh, you know, we discussed the issue of, of, uh, what happens if a child that we have

has a birth defect and lo and behold, that's exactly what did happen.

And, uh, Jacob, our son had holoprosencephaly and he, uh, died in our

arms after being born.

And they said, you can abort.

Yeah, it was horrible.

And one of the best things I've ever heard my wife ever say, uh, uh, still remember it where

she was sitting to my right and we're in the room when she's pregnant.

And that lady, the nurse said, told us what it was.

We're just sitting there sober minded, sober, just like what hearing all this stuff.

And you know, that our child is, is this and that in the womb.

And I mean, you know, it's just, it's just, it's horrible.

And, uh, then the lady said, and if you want, you can opt for abortion.

And my wife immediately said, don't ever bring that up.

That's never going to happen.

It's not an option.

I was so proud of her.

Praise God.

Oh yeah.

That's amazing.

She's a good woman, except for her taste in men.

She's great.

Well, I think she's got pretty good taste.

Um, if I, I know we're, I know we got like, uh, I know we got

like a minute left.

I just wanted to, if I could just come at you a little bit here.

Um, so when, if there is a foreseeable situation, which again,

it entirely relies on, um, the doctor's opinion at this point, if the mother is

going to have a risk to her life and the baby will have a risk to her life, um, either way that

baby must come out of the womb.

Okay.

So she still has to deliver the child.

Either way.

So the risk doesn't justify it.

We got to go.

There's the music.

Sorry.

We're just out of time.

Call back tomorrow.

Let's finish this.

Okay.

Good.

We're out of time.

Yeah.

All right, buddy.

Yep.

All right.

God bless.

Sorry about that.

Just the timing and the Lord bless you by his grace back on air tomorrow.

Have a good evening.

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