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Non -rockabodas must stop. I don't want to rock the boat. I want to sink it.

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Are you going to bark all day, little doggie? Or are you going to bite? We're being delusional. Delusional?

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Delusional is okay in your world view. I'm an animal. You don't chastise chickens for being delusional. You don't chastise pigs for being delusional.

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So you calling me delusional using your world view is perfectly okay. It doesn't really hurt. She hung up on me.

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What? What? What? What? Desperate times call for faithful men and not for careful men.

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The careful men come later and write the biographies of the faithful men, lauding them for their courage.

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Go into all the world and make disciples. Not go into the world and make buddies. Not to make brosives. Don't go into the world and make homies.

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Disciples. I got a bit of a jiggle neck. That's a joke, pastor.

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When we have the real message of truth, we cannot let somebody say they're speaking truth when they're not.

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You shall not be partial in judgment.

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You shall hear the small and the great alike. You shall not be intimidated by anyone for the judgment is

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God's. And the case that is too hard for you, you shall bring to me and I will hear it.

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What's up, guys? Welcome back to a very important episode of Apologia Radio. We are live in the studio right now.

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Coming at you guys from Phoenix, Arizona. I'm Jeff. They call me the Ninja. This is the gospel heard around the world.

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You guys can get more at ApologiaStudios .com. A -P -O -L -O -G -I -A -Studios .com.

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That over there is Luke the Bear. What up? Luke the Bear, what's up? This is your first time back actually in a while, right?

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Is that what you were saying? Yeah, it's at least a month. I was in Kauai for three weeks.

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It's been a while. Yeah. So it's good to have you back. Back in the saddle. That's right. Yeah. All right.

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We got over here Zach Attack. Hey, what's up, guys? Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. You guys can get more at EndAbortionNow .com.

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Please, please go there. We have over 350 local churches across the country right now that have been trained for free, equipped for free by Apologia Church.

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All thanks to all of you, our supporters. Those of you guys who have prayed for us and you've given towards End Abortion Now.

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You're responsible for that with us. So I want to praise God for you and praise God for his faithfulness.

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But we have over 350 churches now who are saving lives this very day outside of their local abortion mills and not doing it in the typical pro -life way from neutrality, but doing it with the basis of the biblical worldview and the gospel of Jesus Christ.

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They are saving lives. They are helping women, mothers and fathers. Zach, you were going to say something? Just got word the day before yesterday, actually, that one of the churches that just received their materials had their very first save.

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Praise God. In California. That's right. Hey, what is a life worth? You don't put a number on that.

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You can't put a number on that. But if you think about this, God has, through the ministry of End Abortion Now, through Apologia Church and all of our members and all of our people, all of our efforts and all of your giving, for far less than a million dollars over these last couple of years,

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He has saved thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children from death. The pro -life movement will take in millions and millions and millions of dollars a year and affect, at times, nothing.

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Nothing. We'll actually participate in some of the most ridiculous, asinine legislation that affects nothing.

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It's inconsistent. It's devastating to the cause for justice for the pre -born. And if you consider what

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God can do through a small, and I mean that, local church in the desert, affecting with the gospel of Jesus Christ, the community of Christ globally, if you consider what

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God can do, I think it'll really inspire you and dramatically change you for good.

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And so that's what we've seen God do these last couple of years through End Abortion Now. And so, I don't want to cut you off.

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Do you have something else you want to add to that? That's it, man. I wouldn't add anything to that. This is Joy Hunter over here, Joy the girl. Joy the mama.

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That's right. That's right. Who is holding a human being inside her as we speak.

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How appropriate. Sounds funny when you say it like that. How appropriate. She's the fifth person. That's right. The fifth co -host of the show.

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Yeah. Yeah. I like that. Hey, praise God. How appropriate that we're having this discussion with a mother and her child living within her at this very, very moment.

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It's a big deal. Joy does Sheologians with Summer Yeager, and you can get that at sheologians .com

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or you can get it at apologiestudios .com. It's part of our studio's production. It's all there for you guys as well. So make sure you guys go check that out.

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What's happening, Joy? Not a whole lot. There's a lot happening in Texas. Yes. But for me, it's pretty uneventful.

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Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's just do it. We'll talk about the Mormonism stuff afterwards. Is that okay? Yeah. Yeah.

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So we just got back from Salt Lake City. Over 20 hours of driving back and forth to Salt Lake City to bring our team from Apologia Church to go evangelize at Mormon Conference.

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It was really an amazing experience. It was a blessing to be a part of that. You will, God willing, be seeing some of that very, very soon.

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We did get content from out there. I know we also got lots of audio recordings, so what we're probably going to end up doing is because we had so much content, we have some video content, but we're also just going to be putting up the audio on this channel,

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Apologia Studios channel, so there won't be frames or anything like that. You won't be able to see anything, but you'll at least be able to hear the conversations.

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Be like our OG videos. OG, baby. That's what I'm talking about. That's true. It's a little logo. That's right.

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Wave at the banner. The little bouncing banner of Apologia Studios. If you look way back far deep into our videos, you'll see that that's how

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Apologia Christian Ministry started. We had a cheap recorder at Radio Shack.

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We just recorded the conversations. We put them up, and that's what happened. Back when Radio Shack was a thing. Back when

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Radio Shack was a thing, and that tells you how long we've been in this. It's like Blockbuster. That was like pre -HD days.

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Yeah. So you look at some of those videos we did on those camcorders and it looks like it was on a VHS tape. Uh -huh.

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He ain't lying. That's for sure. All right, so here we go. Emergency in Texas. Hey, guys, you want to help?

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You want to be a part of this? You want to be a part of this ministry? This isn't about us. I say that a lot, and that's not just an attempt to be humble.

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I am deadly serious about that. It cannot be Apologia Church and our mission for justice for these children and bring the gospel into the culture, into conflict with abortion.

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It can't. We're asking you to be a part of this with us at the Church of the Living God globally, and that's why we've committed as a church to equipping local churches globally and sending them resources.

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Tens of thousands of dollars given by you, our loyal brothers and sisters and supporters, have allowed us to actually send off kits and materials and signs and give free training to hundreds of churches across the country that are now saving lives.

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But listen, it can't be us. That's why we're actually developing training right now for local churches to develop their own media ministries because this is not about Jeff Durbin.

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It's not about Joy. Luke's not about Zach. It's not about us. We are trying to be faithful as believers alongside of you.

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Please hear me on that. We need you to be a part of this with us. Put your arms in our arms and do this with us. Listen, this isn't a pithy request for you to share our content because it's gonna help us out a bunch.

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If you don't share this content, the word doesn't get out. Like, for example, did you know that there's a bill in Texas right now that would criminalize and end abortion in Texas, period?

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It's done. It's over. Abortion is done. No more slaughtered children by law in Texas.

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Do you know that? Do you even know that was happening right now? Probably not. I'd say probably the vast majority of you didn't even know it.

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And why didn't you know it? Because, ready? Who's talking about it? Where do you see it on national media that right now there's a bill to criminalize abortion and to abolish it in the state of Texas that had a hearing this last week that went till 3 a .m.?

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Yeah, late into the night. 3 a .m .?! I didn't hear that. We're talking Christian after Christian after Christian standing before their legislature not saying with neutrality, hey, we'd really like you to protect life in our state.

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They're saying this is sin against God. This is the gospel of Jesus Christ. We demand justice for these pre -born human beings, these image bearers of God, and we demand it now.

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Not when they're 18 weeks and 20 weeks and 22 weeks, but right now because God knits us together in our mother's womb, and we are human from conception.

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This is sin against the living God. Turn to Christ and live. Where have you seen that? Where? I was saying to Joy when I first came in,

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Joy and I were chatting, and I was like, listen, I can't even imagine in the past 150 years this happening where Christians went and stood before the legislature and preached the gospel and demanded justice for the pre -born children.

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Where did that happen? Where did that happen in the last 150 years? I can imagine it happening early on when we were a

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Christian culture and nation where they were actually referring to the Bible in the law and the

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Supreme Court and those sorts of things. But where has it happened in the last 150 years? And did you hear about it?

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We know about it in our circle, right? But where is it being talked about? Where in the national media? This is the premier thing happening right now in America.

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The end of abortion in a state that would stop the slaughter of the pre -born, and it's like, who's talking about it?

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So when I say share this content, it's because you have got to be a part of this with us.

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This is grassroots. We were talking beforehand. We recognize, and you're going to hear about it, the sadness of the moment with an inconsistent pro -life legislator stopping a bill to criminalize abortion.

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How crazy is that? To his shame. To his absolute shame. We recognize that we are at the beginning of this, and so we're going to have these moments where we hit walls, and it hurts us, and our heart breaks, and everything else.

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But we recognize that as the gospel changed the first century, and eventually spread around the world, it started with like 11 very confused disciples.

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One just hung himself and died. But 11 very confused disciples going, what?

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We have to get the entire world? And there were moments of martyrdom, and being burned at the stake, and having

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Nero come and nibble at your bits, and all that stuff. Like, that really happened. I'm trying to say that in a very classy way.

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Right. So, I recognize that we're going to hit these walls, but it takes the church and the living

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God, and that's where I'll leave it. Before we get into that, there's a comment on the live feed we need to respond to.

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Okay. It showed Zach. Yeah, I think I just screenshotted It made me want to punch a hole in the wall. What's that?

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So, I'm not going to say who it was, because they might be sincere. But the question is,

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't dying kids get a guaranteed one -way pass to heaven. Stopping an abortion means that kid can make life choices that can end up in him going to hell.

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Well, let's see if you really believe that. Would you want to stop the criminalization of murder of Christians because they get to go to heaven one day?

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So, let's say for example, would you support legislation that said it's perfectly okay to murder, say, a mother in her kitchen as long as she professes faith in Jesus.

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Or it's perfectly okay to walk into a Christian school and shoot holes into a bunch of people who are professing

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Christians because, hey, they get to go to heaven. Isn't that the greater thing? No, God's law forbids murder. Period.

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Murder is murder, and it's against God's law. We have to uphold God's just statutes.

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God says, And that's God's command. And he demands justice in his world.

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And Jesus, by the way, part of what God is doing with his kingdom is he's bringing justice around the world.

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So, Christians aren't supposed to just be about proclaiming, like, you get to go to heaven one day. We're supposed to be proclaiming what

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Jesus did and the call to reconcile, be reconciled to God and have faith in Jesus to be saved.

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But also with the message of Christians coming into the world and the kingdom of God is that now God is actually restoring all of creation.

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It's a new creation, which means now the Messiah himself, the son of the living God, is bringing justice to the ends of the earth.

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Isaiah 42. Go check it out. That's what he's doing. And he's not going to grow faint or weary until he does it.

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I'm not sure what you guys want to say to that, but the first thing I would say is that it's inconsistent at bottom. And the assumption at the bottom of it is a false, truncated view of the gospel.

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Right. That's what it is. Well, the ultimate thing is getting to heaven. So why would you want to stand in the way of that when actually the ultimate thing is what

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God's word and what Jesus and the mantle that the apostles took up doing is bringing the kingdom of God onto the earth, into conflict with every area of life.

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That's the good news, is that God owns all of these things and he commands his will to be done in every area, which by extension includes the establishment of justice in his law.

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Yeah, I was just going to say we've been given the ministry of reconciliation, which means reconciliation of all things.

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We're not just to have a ministry of getting souls to heaven. Yeah. Same thing you guys just said. That's right, that's right.

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All right, guys. So let's talk about it. What happened in Texas this last week?

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I'm going to read you just a bit from an article from The Resurgent. Pro -life Texas State Representative Jeff Leach delivers death sentence to 110 ,000 pre -born human beings.

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So this is about Jeff Leach. We're going to make sure you guys by the end of this episode know how to get into contact and be a part of this with us.

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We don't want to leave you guys hanging with what's going on there. So here we go. I'll read this little article from The Resurgent.

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It says, The culture of death was assailed on Monday as 446 abolitionists showed up to the

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Texas State Capitol to support the Abolition of Abortion in Texas Act. It's HB 896.

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HB 896. A bill which would completely end abortion in the state.

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330 of them testified in favor of the bill causing the hearing to last until nearly 3 a .m.

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Wow. Wednesday brought somber news, however, as Texas House Judiciary and Civil Jurisprudence Committee Chair Jeff Leach, Republican from Plano, released a statement declaring that the

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Texas HB 896 will not be voted on. Leach lambasted the bill because it criminalizes abortion and subjects women who undergo abortions to criminal liability.

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That is a quote from Leach. Quote, subjects women who undergo abortions to criminal liability.

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And so let's talk about that. That's what's happening right now. It had that hearing.

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Everyone's talking about this and Jeff Leach comes out and says, yeah, we're not going to put this into force because this is a bill that would criminalize the woman who has an abortion.

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Yeah, which it's interesting. I mean, the law code in Texas already includes unborn children as protected under the law.

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It defines life, that moment that you start protecting life from the moment of conception. Now, Zach, let's talk about that.

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Why is that significant in this whole issue? Just help people who maybe are just getting into this. Why is that significant in terms of like Leach's explanation?

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Like, well, hey, this would make it criminal for a person to do it. They would, you know, suffer some sort of prosecution and we don't want that.

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I mean, but he's also fighting for a bill that says that you protect children who survive botched abortions.

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He thinks that's his victory. He's going to have a bill that has children who survive botched abortions.

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They're going to be saved. And so we're doing a good job there. But Texas already says what? Yeah, Texas law already says that it recognizes human beings from the moment of conception.

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And so when you have contradictory law that legislates in opposition to what

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Texas law says already that you protect human beings from the moment of conception, that's a definite conflict.

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And you have a big, big problem with that. So the bill essentially is just demanding, it's saying, okay, if what you say is true, if what's in Texas law is that these unborn children have equal value as the mother, as other human beings post -born, then they must have equal protection.

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Yeah. Equal value equals equal protection under the law. That's what we're demanding to be consistent.

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Why is this hard to understand from a legislative aspect and principle, right? Right, because if you look at,

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I would imagine, I would venture to guess, just like Arizona, if say, just to give the example, if a pregnant mother gets hit on the freeway and she dies as a result of that accident, what is the perpetrator of that crime who was driving drunk, how many counts of homicide is he charged with?

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Right. Not one. Right. He's charged with two. That's exactly right. So we already recognize it in this case, and we have the consistency of saying unborn children from the moment of conception, that's when we're recognizing this as protecting these people.

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And so we even have a law in this case. So where's the disconnect in this? Why are we not seeing that this has to be the case also?

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Yeah, that's right. That's the problem. And so you all need to hear this, and we want to say this as humbly as possible, but with also as much courage and discipline as possible.

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Jeff Leach is a Republican, professed pro -life legislator in the state of Texas who has stopped the bill that would actually end abortion in the state of Texas.

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So I'll say that again. He's a Republican pro -life legislator who is the one right now who is responsible for attempting to stop.

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Whoa. Sorry about that, everybody. Let me just go ahead and kill that. I don't know who's calling me in the middle of the broadcast, but please stop it.

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Shame on you. Yeah, please stop it. And yeah. Oh, that's my daughter who's getting married.

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Sorry. She should know better. Imogen? Yes. Imogen Durbin. So again, it's a pro -life legislator in the state of Texas who is actually stopping the bill that would actually end abortion in Texas.

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Now, the big boast here for the pro -life movement is they, you need to know this, the pro -life movement is not explicitly

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Christian. Right. And that's a problem. That's not obvious by now. And not being explicitly

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Christian means that they're also not explicitly consistent. Right. And so there's a problem here that everyone needs to embrace, and this is not to create factions and camps and let's just create a war and another faction here.

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It's to really address it in terms of consistency. Here's a chance to criminalize abortion and end it in the state of Texas.

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To actually do what pro -lifers say, I thought, that they want to do, and that's stop abortion.

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And here it is. And who's stopping it? Who's stopping the bill that's going to stop abortion? Who? Oh, it's the pro -choicers, of course, right?

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No. It's as though the pro -choice movement doesn't even need any help in this case because the pro -life movement is actually blocking these things.

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And you might think, well, this is an isolated incident, correct? No. I can give you numerous other examples of the pro -life movement, the vice president of National Right to Life, Tony Lowinger, stopping the bill to criminalize abortion in Oklahoma.

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We talked to him. He said they don't want to do it. They want to take a backdoor approach. They don't want it to be explicitly Christian. And he says, hey, if we end abortion in Oklahoma, it would do away with all of our pro -life legislation.

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And the answer is, yeah, that's kind of the point, my friend, because your pro -life legislation isn't consistent and it's not ultimately helping.

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So we do want your pro -life legislation to ultimately be over because abortion is seen as a criminal act.

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You can't kill other human beings. How about that? Well, we're already not allowed to do that. Well, not in the case of the small human beings that are in the wombs of their mothers.

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You know, those innocent human beings who have done literally nothing to violate another human being. They haven't done anything in terms of malice.

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They haven't done anything to actually judicially require that they're executed. We're killing those human beings, the most vulnerable among us and defenseless among us.

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Those ones, those are free game. But you need to know that the pro -life movement actually is responsible, is responsible for actually helping to maintain the order of abortion across our nation.

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And if you think, Jeff, you're a zealot or Jeff, you're just a conspiracy theorist, please listen to me.

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It has to do here not with conspiracy and zeal. It has to do with position. The position of the pro -life movement is we'll protect babies if they survive a botched abortion and they're human from conception.

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But we're not really going to work to end this at this point because we have to ultimately wait until Roe v.

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Wade is overturned. And the problem with that is an area of consistency. Our country wasn't established saying that the

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Supreme Court can actually give law, that they can actually create and demand that we obey this law.

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The Supreme Court is not Congress. Congress, according to our Constitution, creates law. The states have the right to resist the tyranny of a higher voice or higher government.

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And we do it all the time. You ever heard of sanctuary cities? States resist all the time federal law.

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Or how about marijuana in California, Washington, or Las Vegas, or Colorado, or Arizona?

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How about the fact that our states already have this bold chest -pumping to the federal government in the area of marijuana?

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Yeah, y 'all can smoke up. We'll resist the federal law for that. But not for these babies. Not for these babies.

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So this is a massive problem, and I want to say this, that we need to confront with love, respect, and humility, but with all boldness and consistency inconsistent legislators like this.

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Call them out for what they are, inconsistent. Call out what they're doing as shameful and unjust.

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Don't tell me you're pro -life. Because you put in a bill that, you know what? Here's the thing.

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Can I just, I'll let you guys, please jump in after this. I'll just say this, and I want to say this with as much gentleness as I possibly can.

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But don't try to pretend like you're a man and that you're courageous. Because you put a bill in that says, yeah, if the baby's on the table and it comes out and it's been mutilated, but it's still breathing and surviving, and it survived that abortion, we should protect that baby, right?

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And everyone looks at the pictures of the baby struggling on the table and goes, oh, yeah, at least, oh, that's horrible.

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Like, I mean, yeah, protect the baby that survives the abortion. Man, that's bloody. Oh, man, protect that. Oh, it's breathing?

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Yeah, protect that. Don't tell me that you're a man and you're courageous because you convince a population to follow you along in that.

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Yeah. It's ultimately not consistent, nor is it impressive to me. Like, be a man and be courageous and actually hold firm to your principles and actually say, no, our state law says it's from conception.

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That Bible says it's from conception. And it's a human being there, protected in the womb. That's where I'll have respect for you as a man.

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And I don't know about this man's profession of faith, but I'll respect your profession of faith when you're consistent and actually...

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You're talking about Jeff Leach? Yeah. He says he's a Christian. Okay, well, Mr. Leach, when you actually are consistent and you love these children and you grow a pair,

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I'll respect you. Because didn't Bradley say his pastor used to be the president of the

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SBC, right? That's right. You might be thinking right now real fast. You might be saying, man,

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Jeff's going in today. They're going in hard. Well, here's why. Because there's a context. When Jesus goes into the temple to deliver the covenant lawsuit and confront these people and flip tables over because they're violating the holiness of God and oppressing people and all these different things, he acted a bit differently in Matthew 23 when he was dealing with religious people who were living inconsistently.

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He actually had harsher words like whitewashed tombs, you bunch of fakes.

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Woe to you is saying this, by the way. May God's curse fall on you.

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May God condemn you and judge you for what you're doing. So I'm not saying that you necessarily walk up to the person in the

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Starbucks and you have the same harsh language for them at all times. That's inconsistent. But when you're talking about image bearers of God who are having their heads cut off and their guts spilled in the wombs of their mommies, we need to actually, in moments like this where you have a professing

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Christian acting so inconsistently and it's leading to the devastation of an entire population, you have to actually use a serrated edge.

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And that's what we're doing. And those are people that thought that they were okay, too. They thought they had the right relationship with God. They thought that they had the privilege of having

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God's law given to them. Their heritage was what they had on their side.

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That was what was going to make them okay with God. And just like pro -life politicians, Christian conservatives,

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Republicans, who have been given that extraordinary light of having God's revelation and his standards, they look down their noses at other people when in reality, they're the ones that have received such grace and they're hypocrites and with no spines, no backbones, no courage to actually stand on the principles that they say that they're about because they'll say, life begins at conception.

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This is a human being. But then they won't push to legislate that way. So it demonstrates that they don't actually believe that life begins at conception.

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They don't actually believe that Bible that they say that they stand on. And when a law like this comes along, the bill that would criminalize abortion and remove the exceptions that are in there that say, yeah, it's murder, except in the case of abortion, chemical abortion,

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IVF, morning after, the bill would come in and rip those exceptions out. So that way people would be held accountable for what they do.

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They're evidencing that they don't actually believe abortion is murder when they try to fight against it. It's not really murder.

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If no one's responsible, if no one can be culpable for their actions, you don't really believe that.

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If you're gonna legislate this way, you're lying. Yeah, it's really not complicated because we actually have this thing that's against the law called murder that you can compare abortion to directly and the laws that surround it.

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And the number one point is that abortion is not prosecuted at all.

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But certainly people who are suggesting that it's wrong, they're not even suggesting we prosecute it like a murder.

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So what that means is you don't think it's a murder. So then the response to that is, well, people will continue to get them.

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And then you'll just have a bunch of people being prosecuted for murder. And I'm sorry, but that sort of pragmatism is not what we see in the

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Bible. You don't see, there's nowhere in the Bible that says that God is going to pardon all sin and we should just not worry about it.

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Right. And we don't legislate that and like that in every other crime. In any other aspect. Right. Yeah, there is no, oh, well, like people will keep stealing.

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So we just shouldn't do anything about it. Don't prosecute. Don't criminalize and penalize. The thief is the victim.

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Yeah. The thief doesn't have any money. They lost their job. They were laid off and they're the victim of this oppressive system.

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Yes. And that is the same exact sort of rhetoric that's happening here. It's incredibly damaging and you would not believe how many

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Christians fall for it. That's the hardest part of all this. There are so many people that say that the woman is a victim in this.

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I will grant that there are some situations that are nuanced, but ultimately stupidity is not an excuse for your own sin.

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And what I mean by stupidity is ignorance because when it comes to knowing whether or not a child is a child inside of you, there is no ignorance.

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Right. We have spent the last several decades pretending and coming up with sort of a narrative that protects women so that we can give this excuse like, oh, they don't really know what they're doing.

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But can you name for me any other time in history when a woman didn't know she was pregnant with another human baby?

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There was no other time. Well, there were other times and during those times there were plenty of times where people would say, yes,

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I am sacrificing my baby to Moloch. Yes. And that's what they did. That's what that God, that God at least demanded that everyone know what was happening.

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Like they all were aware of what was going on. That's right. And I'm just,

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I'm tired of, and you know, Zach and I talk about just the patience that it takes to interact with people because there's so many people that believe this lie.

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Yes. And it's so hard because you interact with the people saying the same things over and over and over again.

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And what you really just want to say is like, like you were just talking about, like get a backbone. Yeah. Like man up, you know?

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Yes. And that's obviously not the appropriate thing to say all the time. But every once in a while it comes down to it.

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I'm like, I'm really, I'm, I'm, I, I want to see

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Christians start being more discerning than, oh, well, just because we can't end this sin forever we should do nothing about it.

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And sinners with the law of God written on their heart don't know they're sinning. Yeah. Yes. That's not, that's, that's not what the

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Bible says. That lacks all critical thought. And that's not how we're supposed to be. But that's totally, you're living your life as though you haven't opened your

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Bible. Yes. And that's not how it's supposed to be. Yes. Oh my goodness. I mean, can we just, we don't have the

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Bible. For the record. Right. Can we just focus on that aspect right there? Like, what does the scripture say?

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And as a Christian, do you believe that? Do you believe that the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth?

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Everybody knows God. Everybody knows God. Everybody knows through his divine acts that he has displayed his power in creation and everybody is aware of his invisible attributes.

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That's the Apostle Paul's argument. And so part of those invisible attributes that are displayed in creation is your body.

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God made your body as a part of nature. And so no one, all right, and I would not just pull this out as a

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C gotcha card, but I have logged hundreds of hours outside of abortion mills so I can tell you for certain beyond a shadow of a doubt, nobody walking in there is a victim.

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Yes. Okay, nobody. And I just wouldn't use that to say, here's my experience. So see,

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I have just something that you don't. It's a blessed curse to know that. It's a blessed curse to stand on the sidewalk and hear the types of things that we hear from those women going in there.

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And especially when they come out, you confront them and they have smiles on their faces after what they've done.

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Yeah. Smiles. And you just, you see things like there is no fear of God before their eyes. Zero fear of God.

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And so you can't tell me that if we're going to stand on this book right here that says that they know the

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God that made them. They know what he has designed their bodies to do and try to make a case from scripture that they don't know what they're doing.

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Right. You can't do that. Yeah, they give, they not only do them. Right. They get party approval. Party approval to those who practice them.

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So they applaud. And boy, is that true when you stand outside of an abortion clinic, a Planned Parenthood, in any city across the country and the death squirts are out there supporting the woman as they come in, applauding them and cheering and even standing outside and dancing, literally dancing, literally dancing in front of an abortion clinic just to celebrate this lifestyle.

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That's true. So for this bill then specifically, we're going to post a link for everybody to go to.

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We actually spoke with Bradley Pierce this morning on the way and he's the author of this bill. So he knows everything that's going on.

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His name is Bradley Pierce. Yeah, we've had him on a couple of times. Amazing, amazing man. But just to talk about how terrible the pro -life movement is in Texas, right?

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So Jeff Leach, who we talked about, essentially at this point he's saying it's not going to be, the bill's not going to be voted on.

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So what we're going to post a link for is a petition to sign to try to get this bill voted on within their state.

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Can I just say one thing? I don't want to stop where you're going. May 9th is the official D -Day. It's the deadline.

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So listen, while Jeff Leach is being inconsistent and not acting justly and not walking consistently with his professed

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Christian principles, while he's saying that he's going to end this, we have until May 9th.

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And so Pastor Lucas is saying we're going to put the link here. We need you to help us.

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There's 250 people watching live right now. All of you can partner with us in sharing that and telling everybody in your network, you can tell them all to be a part of this with us.

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You can be a part of it. So May 9th is D -Day. Yeah, and you actually, you have to post the link, I think. Oh, I'll post it, yeah. So here's what's crazy.

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This is how terrible these men are, and I mean that. They're acting terribly. Bradley was telling us he actually,

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Jeff Leach, actually has the ability to pull out the clause about making women guilty of murder.

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He can pull that out and still vote for it, and he's not doing it. Okay, so he can pull that out.

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He doesn't like that part. He can pull that out and still put this through and end abortion, but he's not even doing that.

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And Bradley brought up a good point. If they were to do that, essentially what they would be doing was the only person that would be allowed to legally murder their child would be the women, and so you'd be seeing the hanger abortions, the back alley abortions, whatever.

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That's what you would see if he did that, but the point is that he's not even doing that. He could, and he's not doing that.

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And speaking of cowards, I have to mention Governor Abbott, and I want

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Joy to say what she said earlier, but he told a dying boy, Jeremiah Thomas, he told a dying boy that they were going to end abortion in Texas, and he is in support of Jeff Leach.

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He's not helping this. Yep. He's not helping this bill at all. Well, and I had a very harsh response to that, which was basically we see what his reaction is to a dying child, which is nothing.

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Right. And I don't say that to disparage the testimony of Jeremiah at all, because his testimony is amazing.

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Yes, it is. I'm saying that to rightfully shame Abbott. Yeah. Because he should feel ashamed.

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He should feel ashamed. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, dying boy's wish on his deathbed was that he could talk to the governor.

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Jeremiah was a man. Yes. He was raised by a strong father and a mother, and you know what?

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Abbott, if you weren't going to do anything about it, you could have said that to him. Yeah. You could have.

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He would have taken it. At least been honest. He would have been at peace with God. He wouldn't have been surprised. Yeah. He would have taken it, and he would have responded to you and tried to convince you otherwise, but you didn't need to try to soften the blow for a dying child, because he's with the

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Lord now, and he is a hero in Christian history, and he could have handled your inconsistencies, so you didn't need to handle it in that way.

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And so here's the thing. I can't fit it. For all you guys who are watching live right now, for some reason, I can't fit it into this one.

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Let me put the link. It's too long. So what we'll do, as soon as this video goes up, we're going to put where you can go to have the petition signed, and you can send it out.

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We're going to put it in the description of the video itself, so just come back to it, and you'll see it in the description. We're also going to put it across all of our channels.

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We talked to the guys today. What are we missing? Well, we talked about just the premise of the bill is essentially to establish equal justice.

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That's a good point. Right? I mean, that's equal justice, equal value, equal protection. Now, is that hard to do right now in Texas considering that it's already a law that personhood is at conception?

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I mean, you would think not, right? I mean, like I said, we asked the question, where's the disconnect? You wouldn't think you'd be hearing any of this.

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Not letting this bill be heard. That's right. Right. You wouldn't think that, but you are. You are. We're not making that up. No, we're not making it up.

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It happens over and over again. I just want to say, and I'm glad you brought that up, Joy, and I think we sort of touched on it at the beginning there, but this is hard because I want you to all hear from us.

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We want to be consistent, to not be wild -eyed. You don't want to be conspiracy theorists. You don't want to just like just create factions within a community of professing

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Christians who say they're pro -life, but listen, you've got to call a spade a spade. You've got to actually confront something as it is.

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That's what it is. This situation is what it is. The pro -life movement is not explicitly

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Christian. It's neutral. The pro -life movement is inconsistent. The pro -life movement is stopping the end of abortion in our country.

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If you are new to this and you're like, come on, that's wild -eyed. That's conspiracy. That's it. Brothers and sisters, we've been in this for now years, and I'm going to tell you, some of the greatest opposition we've ever had is from those who are professing pro -life, and that's a fact.

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And they're even going to be getting, supposed to be getting together a bunch of pastors that are going to be in support of Jeff Leach.

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So watch for that. That's supposed to become the next day or two. Pastors that are supportive. And if there's any pastors, any pastors across Texas or across the country,

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I'm going to speak to you now as brothers, with respect to you as a pastor, if you're a shepherd of God's people, if you handle the word of God and you stand on it with your whole life and you say, this is what

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I stand on and I'll die for this, I want to encourage you to flee from Jeff Leach and his attempt to stop the criminalization of abortion in Texas.

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I want to plead with you to be the man of God that God has called you to be. Be courageous.

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Be consistent. Stand on God's revelation. You know that this is an image bearer of God from conception.

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You know that God forms us in our mother's wombs. You know that that's a human being in the womb and you know that God says you shall not murder.

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So don't stand with a man who says, well, I guess you can continue to murder all the babies in the womb because I don't want anyone to have to be penalized for it.

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Brothers, listen, what's the courageous thing to say? God has a law and he's spoken about justice in his word.

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And where do you find God in his word saying something like, this is a crime and it's a sin against me but no penalty is necessary.

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No penalty is necessary to murder another human being. And Joy brought it up. Can you imagine the absurdity, and follow me on this because it's not hard, the absurdity of saying legislators actually get together and say we're a couple months in legislation that says, hey, this is criminal.

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It's a criminal act in our state. And they go, okay, this bill's in force. It's a criminal act to do such and such in the state of Arizona.

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And then everyone goes, oh man, that sounds terrible. So what's the consequences if we do? And everyone goes, eh, nothing.

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Not a thing. So are you just pontificating? You're just giving your opinion that you really just find it icky that people do that certain thing but there's really no punishment for it?

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Everyone would go, that doesn't make any sense. What are you getting paid for? Why are you sitting there in that seat?

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Why are you signing these papers? Because what you're saying is that you just would like people to think like you but there's no penalties necessary.

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Imagine putting legislation that looked like that. Watch this. This man, Jeff Leach, he doesn't do this at any other point as a legislator.

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He wouldn't create legislation that says it's a crime but there's no penalties. No fines.

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No nothing. At all. They don't do that. But here, oddly, we want to create legislation that says it's illegal and we ought not do it but there's absolutely no penalties for it.

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We just personally find it icky. But we kind of like you too as well but no penalties.

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Well, and isn't that like a weird bit of confusion? We followed a Supreme Court decision like Roe v.

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Wade and we've treated it like a law but then we want to make laws that are actually just like moral decisions.

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Right. Or suggestions. For some reason, the Supreme Court and the legislature have actually switched places now and the legislature just sort of gives you their opinion on what they think a good law would be.

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The roles are reversed. Well, sorry. One thing that Bradley wanted to make sure we emphasize is you know, so Jeff Lee just said

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I don't want this bill to go because it'll criminalize women. Right. And so we've heard this enough.

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Like when you say that, the immediate thing that people, the thought that comes to their mind is they picture us standing outside like stoning women to death.

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You just want to execute women. And Bradley brought up amazing points on this. He's like, well one, it would have to go to court and it'd have to be a criminal process just like any other murder.

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Any other criminal process. We don't murder people who, we don't give people like capital punishment who kill people anyway.

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Right. We don't do that now. It's not really happening on a large scale right now. And what's great, I love Bradley because he thought through all this and what's great about this bill is it even allows exceptions for women who say are forced into that or maybe they're it goes to a trial and there's a jury and they say, you know what,

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I don't think this woman actually knew what she was, it allows for those cases. So it's not just instant death the moment you have an abortion.

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It has to go through the criminal process. Or instant punishment or anything. Exactly. And the fathers are also guilty of murder.

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The fathers. Right. Or an assassin. Exactly. An assassin that you hire. All parties involved.

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Right. All parties involved. It is just like, it would be prosecuted just like a murder and we have no problem with murder being prosecuted.

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Yes. We have no problem with it. Yeah. We have no problem with it. Except for in this instance. Like you said, there are already laws on the books that deal with those issues of people being coerced.

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Like if someone has a gun to your head, like obviously you're forced to act in that way and there's a law on the books that takes that into account.

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So all this is saying, once again, is we want that same principle to apply to the child in the womb. That's right.

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As the people outside the womb. Yeah. Just consistency is what we're asking for. Consistency. And let's just all say something.

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Just again, humbly just confess to it. If we continue to fight against abortion in the way the neutral pro -life movement is doing, abortion is never going away.

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It won't. It will not go away. Because what if you give the pro -life movement what they're asking for?

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Overturn Roe v. Wade. Fantastic. Roe v. Wade is now overturned. You know what? It's still legal in the states.

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You know why? Pro -life legislation that actually says you can kill babies after 20 weeks, but not before.

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So the states are going to have to deal with this whole mess of the pro -life movement's legislation that's so inconsistent that it says, yeah, you can kill them after 20, or before 20, sorry, before 20, but not after.

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And so the pro -life legislation that's been put into place actually is going to keep it legal in the states. But let's go farther.

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Let's say that you get to a place where the Supreme Court says, okay, it's overturned, no more abortions.

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And then the states go, okay, no more pro -life legislation that keeps it in place. Here's the question. Okay, let's do this.

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What about all the people that continue to have abortions anyway, guys that are hiding in special places, people are coming in secretly, and they're taking money to kill their babies?

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Well, what you're suggesting, pro -life movement, is that there should be no punishment for those people. None. Like if guys are actually having these special black market abortion facility, surgical facilities in their home, and women are coming in and handing over $1 ,000, hey, please kill my child and my woman.

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They do it. There's no oversight. It's not an industry that's really allowed. And the police find out about it.

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According to the pro -life movement, at this point, legislators, if the police found out about it in that world, no prosecution for the woman.

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And no penalties for her, even though she's the one that found the assassin, even though the man came with her and they paid together and it was her idea to do it.

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No, no, no, because we wouldn't want ever anybody to get punished for this. For murder? It would be prosecuted as if the hallway to his death room was not a certain amount of feet wide.

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Or clean enough. That's I think what we would say, yes. Or if he couldn't do an ultrasound before. That's I think what would be said.

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They would say, oh man, these black market abortion facilities are really dirty. They're really dirty. I mean,

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I found an open cup in the same room. Did you ask them why they're getting the abortion?

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Did you make them check a box? Right, right. They fill out at least 18 pages of paperwork. Get on here,

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Arizona. Obviously, that all sounds very, very silly and inconsistent, but it needs to be pointed out as silly and inconsistent.

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And we need to really come down to the fundamentals of this and say, listen, if your argument is no punishment whatsoever for those who seek abortion, then you will never, ever, ever, ever end abortion.

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Because it would just be suspended up in midair over the culture as just personal preference, really.

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Not based upon fact, objectivity. Ready? Here's the objectivity. That is a human being from conception.

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And you say, okay, what should we do with human beings? And we say, protect their lives, punish those who would do things to hurt them across the board.

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Well, how about just for white people? Ah, now we're getting somewhere where, see, we've gotten to a place in our culture now where we recognize in the 21st century, we recognize that if somebody went around saying things like,

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I personally think that all human beings who are white should be protected, like they should be protected.

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Everybody in our culture goes, what? Are you despicable, disgraceful human being?

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What are you thinking? It's disgusting. It's disgusting. And that's what we say. But you know why? Because of all the work that's done behind us to say, no, all human beings are equal.

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It doesn't matter the color of your skin. It doesn't matter your age, whether you're elderly, whether you're young, black, white, red, yellow, whatever color you are, whatever combination of color, all human beings are the same.

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And we all look down our noses at people and we say how disgusting that you would say white people, white humans should be protected but not black humans.

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Thankfully, that's far behind us. But guess what? Let's not act haughty. We're not in a good place yet because we actually do something that's actually pretty drastic.

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We go, all human beings protected except those really little defenseless ones.

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You can tear their arms and legs off and you can cut their bodies in half. Kill them. It's fine.

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You know what is amazing? I hope to God that 200 years from now, there's a radio program like this looking back at us going, can you imagine this disgusting culture that actually went so far as to say all humans are protected except the little ones.

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May history look back on us and weep and be ashamed of humanity in the 21st century that people actually said all humans are equal except the little ones.

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It's disgraceful. And there isn't actually a responsible culprit in their killing.

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Everybody's a victim. The woman's a victim. The abortion clinic workers are victims. We got to get them out.

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Heck, the abortionist may even be a victim. Just a product of his education. Abortion has gone airborne.

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We have no control over it. There's no actual act or anything really happening. That's what you believe.

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You really do believe that nothing's really happening. If you don't have a problem with it and you don't want to approach it consistently, you believe that there's not a murder.

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I would just say the abortion industry does not exist and keep churning without a clientele, without a demand for the service that's being offered.

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So where's that demand and that desire coming from? If not from the people acquiring the service and paying for it.

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You got to ask yourself that. It's just like any other business. It's an industry that works because there's a demand for the service.

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It didn't fall from the sky. God uses his people. All right, Pastor Luke. What did we do this week? We've got a few minutes left here.

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We're going to let you guys know about our Mormon ministry we did in Salt Lake City. What happened? We went up to Salt Lake City for the general conference which was awesome.

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We've wanted to do that for at least 10 years. At least 10 years, but it's always right during Easter pageant right now.

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We're always usually here in Mesa, but it's shut down for at least two years. We're like, let's go to Salt Lake City. It was awesome.

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We had a great time. We got some great conversations. I don't even know. We have hours of stuff.

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Dozens and dozens and dozens of conversations. I think that the general consensus that came out of this trip from everybody that went was we were amazed at the level of excitement for Latter -day

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Saints. Tell everyone what that means. What did that look like? There literally was a homosexual dude standing there that said, hug a

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Latter -day Saint. There was a transvestite there. I forget what his sign said.

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There was a queer one. There was a girl dressed as a boy. There was just, you name it. They were just standing there with signs.

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We were amazed by the number of Mormons that would walk by and hug them. They were excited. They were there.

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I heard someone actually say, I wish you could come in with us. They're very accepting of that.

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I actually had a conversation with a young man that told me he was bisexual. I started asking him questions and come to find out his bishop that he's accountable to knows it and he said he's quote indifferent towards it.

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The whole revoice thing has creeped into the LDS community now. He was trying to explain to me that a homosexual lust is no different than lusting after a woman and as long as I don't act on it,

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I can be bisexual. Gay celibacy. It's fine. It's okay and they're fine with it. Mormonism has gone through, man -made religion does this.

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It does. Mormonism has gone through this shift in 1830,

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Joseph Smith publishes the Book of Mormon. When the culture was what it was and the

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United States government said to Mormons, you stop your practice of polygamy or we'll drive you out and you'll be exterminated.

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The Mormon God had a change of mind. Polygamy was once an eternal principle and the only men who become gods or even the sons of God are those who practice polygamy.

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That's what Brigham Young taught. Brigham Young said if you continue to deny polygamy, you'll be damned.

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Well, that's from the prophet, from God, right? Well, in that very century, God now changes his mind when the government says you better stop that.

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They change their mind. Now, it's no longer polygamy. It's no longer the eternal principle even though it's in their writings as the eternal principle.

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And then you have, of course, the Civil Rights Movement begins in the United States of America. You have all the content of White and Delightsome in the

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Book of Mormon. That gets taken out. Black people are cursed by God. They can never hold the priesthood. And then

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Civil Rights happens and then olly olly oxen free the Mormon God changes his mind again. And so then you have now blacks are allowed to hold the priesthood and so now that's done.

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And then the American culture begins to shift and change and say, hey, transgenderism, homosexuality, these are good things, gay marriage, all that.

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And the culture shifts, the culture shifts, the government begins adopting this stuff and then what does

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Mormonism, the man -made religion not from God, do? It says, well, maybe it isn't so bad after all.

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Okay, we'll allow these to be baptized and we'll do this. And then you've got Mormons. You can see the

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Mormon culture. Back when I started this in 1996 doing evangelism out there with Dr. James White, I gotta tell you right now, if a

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Mormon would have stood out there with a sign that said hug a latter -day saint, they would have been surrounded by Mormons saying, hey, hey, our scriptures say and this says and you can't be doing this and now you should have seen it.

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You should have seen it. It was just, oh, I love you, I love your lifestyle. I just can't wait till this is all approved by our leadership.

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I can't wait till this is accepted. Why? Because man -made religion doesn't have the objective rock.

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It doesn't have the rock of truth to stand on to say this is God's revelation and disclosure of himself and his holy character.

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You ought not do this in 150 AD or 2019.

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It doesn't change because God doesn't change. Watch this. Last word I'll say in this. Of course this is happening.

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Of course it is. Why? Because the Mormon God fundamentally changes all throughout history. He was created by the

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God before him. He was created by a God before him. He was once a man on earth like this. He became a God one day. He learned a bunch of stuff.

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He's making decisions. When he has to do things, he gives it to a council of people to make decisions. God's learning constantly.

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God's changing constantly. And so why not have God say, no blacks.

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Okay, blacks. And why not have a God that says, no polygamy. And well, maybe polygamy.

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And then a God who just changes, changes, changes and says that's a sin and then goes, well, maybe not so much anymore.

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Transgenderism, eh, you know, male, female, I don't know. I'm not offended by that anymore. Exactly. Not so, watch this, this is crazy.

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In 2015, the presidency of the Mormon church from the top, they had one thing to say about homosexuality in 2015 that's literally flipped now in 2019.

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Four years. Four years the Mormon God changes his mind. Four years because it's a manmade religion built upon man who worships a resurrected

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God, man who had gods before him who became a God one day. That's the truth.

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That's where Mormonism comes from. And that's why you see this. I think if I want, if you can tell the story, I think it makes, it makes me laugh, but it's really not funny.

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But the, the latter gay Saint you were talking to and you were talking to him about becoming a God, reaching exaltation and populating his own planet.

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What did he tell, tell that story, what he said to you? Because it was, I was like, what? Oh, what

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Kate? Mormonism, if you don't know this, Mormonism teaches that the ultimate goal of exaltation is a celestial kingdom where you become a

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God and goddess of your own planet one day. Again, it used to be, you had to be a polygamous for that to happen, but that's changing now.

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But the idea is that's the ultimate thing, exaltation, becoming God and goddess of your own planet one day, like the

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God and goddesses of this planet did to produce us as spiritual offspring and that we had bodies.

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So basically, Joy and I are a spirit, brother and sister of our heavenly father and goddess mothers in the preexistence.

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And Jesus and Satan. Right, and Satan and Jesus are right next to all of us. We came down here after having been together as spiritual offspring and brothers and sisters in the preexistence and now we're here to work through our own stage of exaltation to become a goddess and a

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God of our own planet one day. That's the goal of Mormonism. At least we have a ministry to Mormonism, so we're not doing a good job.

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No, that's right. That's right. Not doing well at all. Yeah, so that's the goal, right?

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Male and female or females in the eternal states, celestial kingdom becoming gods and goddesses, having spiritual offspring on the planet.

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So the question Luke is getting at here is how does that happen with two gay men? How does the

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Mormon plan of salvation work out with two gay dudes over a planet? It's an interesting question to ask, so I asked him.

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I was very loving and respectful to him. Yeah, absolutely. It's just an honest question. I asked him, how does that work in becoming a

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God one day, dude? Don't you have to have a wife and spiritual babies? Like, you know, how does it work?

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And he was like, yeah. Did he say, I gotta figure it out? Yeah, or I'll figure it out. What do you think about that one?

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Had to do something like, yeah, I guess that is how it's going to be. It's going to be like me and another man over our own planet one day.

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It's going to be a barren planet. It'll be a barren planet. It'll be a desert.

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But I guess it'll be two dudes over their own planet one day. And I'm just saying that, of course, I want to highlight how silly it is.

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Even in their own world view, it cannot work, but watch it being accepted now by the presidency. Like, man -made religion can't think far enough ahead to go, there's going to be a massive inconsistency at the end here.

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We're going to have to consider. At some point, our inconsistencies catch up with all of us, and it's caught up with Mormonism decade after decade after decade.

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And I am very interested to see what's going to happen. What I've been saying, and I'm not a prophet here. I don't know if I said it to you,

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Joe, but I definitely said it to these guys. I am waiting for the next young Mormon leader who will be consistent with Mormonism that goes,

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I'm God's prophet. They're apostates. Let's get back to real Mormonism. Now, I know there's all kinds of sects, and things like that out there now that are kind of like that.

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But when this starts to fall apart with Salt Lake proper, I'm curious who the next guy is that's going to be like, let's get back to Joseph's original revelation.

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Let's be real Mormons because that ain't Mormonism. Right. Yeah. No, yeah. That's an interesting thought.

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A restoration of the restoration. Right. Eventually, it'll just look like the world, the rest of the world.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Well, we just saw, again, to emphasize why it's so important for Christians to be reaching our

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LDS neighbors, friends, and family. They just posted the numbers. Actually, it was a day right after we were leaving.

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They had a record loss. 140 ,000 members left the LDS church last year.

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Wow. Which is the most since 1978. Hey, you want some encouragement? Hey, Jared, thank you for that encouragement and blessing.

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All glory to God, brother. It's not us. We're just vessels. Jared Fawcett said,

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I'm an ex -Mormon thanks to y 'all. Praise Jesus for pulling me out of that cult. Praise God. Hey. That's awesome.

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He's one of the 140 ,000. Praise God, Jared. Praise the Lord for calling you to himself and giving you his grace.

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That is what it's all about. If this whole ministry was for you, it was a life well lived.

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