Environment or Genetics — Dr. A.E. Wilder-Smith

Environment, Genetics, and Human Control

Now, ladies and gentlemen, the subject tonight is, is man genetically or environmentally controlled? And I would like to point out to you that, at the start, the communists, the Marxists, believe that we are environmentally controlled.

That's the basis of their theory of concentration camps. You see, if you change the environment and lock up all the pastors, the environment will make everybody atheist. That's their idea. And the idea of a concentration camp is to take away any theistic influence.

And if you put them in an atheistic, brutal environment, then everybody will become a communist. If you can't, well, that's just too bad for the patient. The patient is then wiped out. The second view is that we're genetically controlled, and that's the basis of the fascist movement.

Hitler believed that it was the Aryan race which made his country the destined rulers of this world, the Aryan race. The Jews and all the others were missing links, and God would have wiped them out in the course of time, but God wasn't quick enough for Hitler.

So he just tried to help God, he says so, just helped God by wiping them out genetically, put them in the gas oven. Now, I want to show you that a Christian's got to think, if he's going to go through these awful times at the end, through which we are going.

You live here in a paradise, you know. I know all the other things that aren't like a paradise here, but you need to be instructed on these things. Other countries are going the way that we don't want to go.

Jesus’ Parable of the Sower and the Word of God

Now, I'm going to read to you the Word of God for getting a line on how we must understand how we become, what we become. And the Word I'm going to read to you is in Luke 8, 4 -15. In Luke, the Gospel according to Luke, 4 -15.

Luke 8, 4 -15. When a great crowd came together, and people from town after town came to him, Jesus said in a parable, a sower went out to sow his seed. Now, seed is a packet of genes, okay? And here we have the first clue to why I've chosen this.

The sower went out to sow his genes, sow his seeds, and as he sowed, some seed fell on the path, and was trodden underfoot, and the birds of the air devoured it. Some fell on the rock, and as it grew up, it withered away, because it had no moisture.

And some seed fell among thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it. And some fell into good soil, and grew and yielded a hundredfold. And as he said this, he called out, he who has ears to hear, let him hear.

And his disciples asked him what this parable meant. Jesus said, to you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God. This parable of the packets of genes is a secret of the kingdom of God.

Now, I'm going to teach you, I hope, God's help, a little bit of science. But you'll know by it, the secrets of the kingdom of God. I wouldn't do it otherwise, I've taught pharmacology and genetics long enough, and I've done forty years of it.

Now, if I weren't teaching you something beyond that, I wouldn't do it. So I want you to pay ever such close attention to all the details I give you, because it says, you know, in Romans chapter one, that if we look at science, which is the study of nature, we see the nature and being of the living eternal God.

And anybody who doesn't see it, anybody who doesn't see it, is without excuse, understand? Therefore, if you want to know more about God, you've got two chances. You can read about him in the Bible and become a theologian, OK?

Or the other one is to read about God in nature, in that you study science. And anybody who doesn't see the eternal God and his nature in science, is without excuse, says the Apostle Paul in Romans one.

I wouldn't do it. I believe all science to be creation science myself. There's nothing else. It's only that. To you it's been given to know the secrets of the kingdom of God, but for others they're in parable, so that seeing they may not see.

Many scientists see nature and don't see God. That's what that passage means. Hearing they may not understand. Now the parable is this. The seed, the packet of genes, the seed is the word of God. That puts a different light on it, doesn't it?

The seed is the word of God. The ones along the path are those who have heard it, then the devil comes and takes away the word from their hearts. They may not be saved. And the ones on the rock are those who, when they hear the word, receive it, the seed, with joy.

But these have no roots. They believe for a while, and in time of temptation they fall away. But as for what fell among the thorns, they are those who hear. But as they go on their way, they are choked with the cares of this life, and the riches and pleasures of life.

Riches and pleasures choke the seed. And their fruit does not mature. And as for that in the good soil, they are those who, having heard the word, hold it fast in an honest and good heart, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Lord Jesus, we ask thee to open our minds, open our understanding, as thou didst do to thine own disciples when thou wast amongst us as man. Open the words of my mouth, the meditations of my heart, and our hearts, all of us, that we may always be acceptable to thee, our Lord and our Creator.

Mendel, Heredity, and the Mathematical Order of Genes

Amen. Now, ladies and gentlemen, the first man that started to study genes on a sensible basis was of course Mendel the monk. And he worked with his garden peas, and he showed that the heredity of garden peas, thank you, the heredity of garden peas was according to mathematics, and it wasn't chance.

Now Darwin didn't read his work, although Mendel's work was produced during Darwin's life. If Darwin had read it, you know, he was intelligent enough to know that the whole basis of his theory, in chance, was for the birds, if he'd only read it, but he didn't read it.

You know, lots of things we'd know if we read, and did as Paul said, continue in reading and in prayer, developing the mind. Darwin didn't, and suggested that theory therefore, because he didn't read, that has devastated the intellectual world for over a hundred years, just because he didn't know.

Now, Mendel found out, you see, that it was done according to mathematics, and, you know, I've got my mother's eyes, can't help it, I've got my father's stature, can't help it, I have the fresh complexion when I'm almost dead, you know, I look healthy and well and blooming and all the rest of it, and my father did until he was ninety, and I'm afraid I'm like it, happily.

Mothers give their temperament, usually, to their sons, you know, it's mathematical. My daughter has got my temperament, poor girl, and she's got my hands and arms, poor child, but she's got lots and lots of nice things from her mother too, all mathematically wrapped up in packets, and how glad I am that that's the case.

Now, they forgot Mendel, until after he was dead. I had a professor in Oxford, whose name was E .B. Ford, and he was a tall man, and he had an even higher voice, you could hear his voice from miles away.

He had a huge pate, with no hair on it, and his glory was Drosophila melanogaster. You know all about Drosophila melanogaster, don't you? The fruit fly. And he worked on the fruit fly, and he did some very marvellous work while I was there.

He worked out on the chromosomes, he worked out on those chromosomes, the bulges and the swellings where the properties of the Drosophila melanogaster were located. He made maps of where the length of the wings was decided, and where the colour of the hair was decided, whether the eyes would be red, and the animal an albino, or not.

He got those maps out, done beautifully. The only thing about Ford was that he didn't know what those bulges were. He knew they were there, and he could map them, but he didn't know what was inside. And the next two people who went at that, that particular problem, what was inside the genes, were Francis Crick and Watson in Cambridge in England, and they found out that everything was written down in those bulges in a code.

The code was a language, and they broke the code so that you could read it. They found out what all the other people before them, they didn't know, that it was a book, but a super book, the most micro book, the most miniaturised book that you can imagine.

And they broke the code for it. Now I want to talk to you just for one minute about what a code is, because some people don't know, and if you don't know, you'll be lost before we go very far. I'm going to show you first of all what a code is, and then what's inside those bumps and swellings in the genes, and then we'll go on from there.

Language, Codes, and the Genetic Information System

Now this is what a code is. If I have a concept in my mind, don't think that you speak in a language, but don't think that you think in a language, you speak in a language, but you don't think in a language, you think in a concept.

And then, according whether you're American, German, Japanese, Chinese, you put that concept in which you think, you put it into a code, and that's your language. Now if you have, say, the concept in your mind of peril, p-e-r-i-l, danger, now danger can be, of course, if I have appendicitis, and I've got a lot of pain, and I don't do anything about it, then it may burst, and if a doctor doesn't do something quickly and carve me up and seal it off and wash me out, I shall die.

That's a danger. Now if a person does have a danger, he has the concept of code, that there's something wrong in him, a concept, then he calls out for help. Now the idea of calling out for help is rather a mouthful, you see, so we've called it, this concept, S-O-S.

Now S-O-S doesn't look like appendicitis, S-O-S doesn't look like a car blowout, but S-O-S does certainly convey to anybody that knows the idea that I'm in danger. If you're driving along the road, the freeway, and you're, well, you can't do it here, but you can in Europe, you can drive at 200 miles an hour along the freeway if you want to.

It's rather awkward, though, if a tyre blows out at that speed. I had one blowout once, but not at that speed, but high enough, and the thing to do is to go to a telephone box labelled S-O-S. Now you see, you can use S-O-S for a tyre blowout, you can use it for appendicitis, you can use it for an abscess under your tooth, or for anything else that's peril.

Now what I want you to notice is this, ladies and gentlemen, and please underline it in your thoughts in red ink. The code carries a concept, and the concept is peril, but the code is no natural law. It's entirely arbitrary.

Somebody thought that S-O-S, save our souls, would be a good thing. That's what it was originally, would be a good thing to hang a concept upon, but there's no natural law. This is very important because we're going to talk about natural laws in the GD code.

There's no natural law relating this reduction of entropy, or increase of order, such as S-O-S represents. There's no natural law which couples the two together. That's entirely arbitrary, and it's known as a language convention.

And language conventions aren't built up on natural law. They're built up on arbitrariness of men who need to make codes. Now the genetic code is no exception. The genetic code is a code which is not coupled to natural law.

How you can derive it from natural law is a mystery to me, because every scientist wants everything to be coupled to natural law. He wants it to be naturalist. He wants it to reside in matter, and yet he knows perfectly well that a code does not reside in natural law.

How then can he say it does? Well that's one of the mysteries of the workings of confusion in the human mind, and I point that out to you right at the start. You'll need it two or three times before I've finished on the scientific part.

Communication by Morse Code and Knotting

Now SOS, I can communicate it to you by writing S-O-S. I hold it up on a bit of paper and you say, oh the man's got stomachache. Right? I've communicated to you very easy, but you know it's not very useful sometimes to take the letters of the alphabet to get a code over.

It's sometimes more useful to code it again. And we code it again by writing dot, dot, dot, dash, dash, dash, dot, dot, dot. S-O-S equals dot, dot, dot, dash, dash, dash, dot, dot, dot. Now if you're a ship's officer, you know how to do it.

You get a flag, you get a flash lamp, or you speak it into the radio, you tap it out with a key. Now dot, dot, dot, dash, dash, dash, dot, dot, dot doesn't look like appendicitis, nor does it look like a blowout on a car.

It doesn't look like peril. But you see it's perfectly arbitrary. And language conventions, codes, even the language convention which we knew as a genetic code, is entirely the product of a language convention out of an intellectual apparatus.

It has nothing to do with natural law. Now that's very important to learn, and tomorrow evening I want to go into that further. Now I could, if I wanted to communicate to you that I've got stomachache, no worry, I haven't.

I've eaten very well today, and the Americans are awfully kind to me, and I feel OK. Now I could communicate it to you, listen to this, don't you miss it. If I don't get you to see a little bit of oxyhemoglobin into your minds, into your brains, by making you laugh, you'll never stand this, because this requires thinking about, and most people are lazy in respect of thought, and sometimes in other things as well.

Now if I want to communicate that to you ladies and gentlemen, this is vital, absolutely vital. When a vital thing is coming, I'll usually try and try my hand at getting you to laugh so that I've got just that bit of extra oxygen up there so that it sits.

Now I can do it, I can communicate to you, are you listening? I can communicate to you, I've got so much to do. I can communicate the concept of peril by pulling out one of my shoelaces, there they are you see, the shoelaces, I can pull one out, and I can tie in it, the shoelace, I've lost my screen, that's my trouble you see, I can pull out the shoelace and I can tie in it, one knot, one knot, one knot, knot, knot, knot, K-N-O-T, alright?

And then I can tie in it, towards the bottom, two knots, double knot, double knot. So knot, knot, knot, double knot, double knot, double knot, knot, knot, knot. Now hold it up to you and you see, knot, knot, knot, double knot, double knot, double knot, knot, knot, knot.

And what do you say? Oh, he's got appendicitis, you see, the man's indeed, that is an SOS call, but you see how I've communicated it to you, now you think of the advantages, this is the Inca method of writing you know, this is how the Incas wrote, they didn't have any paper, nor did they have pens, but they did have pampas grass, and they did have ropes, so they took long pieces of string, bootlaces, you see, and they tied into them knots, and they did it, the knotting, just like we write letters on paper, and they could read it with their fingers when it was dark, just run your fingers down it, you see, and you've got knot, knot, knot, double knot, double knot, double knot, knot, knot, knot, aha, okay, fair enough, you see, they didn't use the moss code, but that's how we would do it today.

Now, they could not only do it with their fingers, they could do it with a light, with their eyes, you see, the fingers are feeling, and the eyes are also a feeling, but they're two different organs, two different senses, so they could look at it, and just by looking at it, they knew the contents, just like we read, but you think how nice it is to be able to read your writing, or feel it, just as you like, well, we have to feel it for the blind people with braille, you know, you've got to make a special form of writing, because our writing's not suited to that, but if you have it on a string, with knots, you can do it by both methods, wonderful method of doing it, now, that's what the genetic code looks like, the genetic code runs on this basis, ladies and gentlemen, this is absolutely vital, the genetic code doesn't use one shoelace, it uses two, and between the shoelaces are hung up the genetic letters, and instead of having the two letters of the moss code, you have four, you see, in moss code you have two letters, dot and dash, and then the interval, and with the dot and dash and the interval, you can write everything down, everything that our 26 letters of the alphabet can do, and you see how much advantage that is, you could take a shoelace, and with just two letters in the interval, you could write up the Bible, it'd have to be a long shoelace, but you could do it, you could write up Goethe, Roseland, Roseland, Roseland wrote, Roseland after Heide, you know, which you all learnt in German at school, didn't you?

I hope. Now, you could write it all up that way, you could write up Shakespeare, but the super method of writing books is simply marvellous, because you can pull the two shoelaces apart, and from the one ladder that you put the shoelace up one side, which goes into one cell, and the other ladder which goes into the other cell when you're dividing a cell, each side automatically, by complementarity, reproduces the total ladder of two shoelaces, and reproduces the total letters, so you've only got to pull the thing apart like a zip fastener, and the other side of the zip fastener which is lacking in each cell, forms itself by complementarity.

It's an absolute genius of an idea, how to quickly rewrite the whole book. Now, when you were conceived, there were 23 chapters of the knot method, on strings, which put the total information to make you in the cell.

Now, we can read the chromosomes and the genes in a human zygote today, and we know that there are 46 chapters, and if we were to write these chapters down in English, which we can do, they're chemical instructions, how to make alanine combine, how to make the enzymes which make you work, how your digestion's got to function, how your liver's got to be built, how your kidney's got to be built, how the concept of your eye's got to be built, all these concepts are in code form, we can read them.

Now, in one zygote of a human, which you can't see, or scarcely can see with the naked eye, because it's as transparent as water, but you can see, if you stain it right, the 46 chromosomes, and if you write them down in books, do you know how many volumes you'd need to write them down in English on paper?

You'd need a thousand volumes, each of 500 pages, and the smallest print that any printer knows, and then you'd scarcely get in all the instructions which God has put there in a code form to make you, the shape of your nose, the fact that you're not a crocodile, or a cabbage, the fact that you are a human being, and the remarkable thing is it's all in one language, all in one code, throughout nature, there are only minor variations.

The information written up to make a blue-green alga is about the same, in all essential details, the information required to synthesize an amoeba, and to synthesize a frog, and to synthesize a bee orchid, and to synthesize a crocodile, and to synthesize an ape, and to synthesize you, it's all the same language.

Now, you know, if you believe that this super-language, which is common to all nature, arose by chance, then you're forgetting that the basis of a language is the coupling, by arbitrary means, of a concept with a reduced entropy system, with a language.

You see, it's entirely arbitrary, this method of doing things, to say that danger is equivalent to S-O-S. There's no natural law behind it. And it's entirely arbitrary to say that danger is equivalent to dot-dot-dot, dash-dash-dash, dot-dot-dot, on a string.

There's no natural law behind it. And when you look at the, you know that an intellectual law is behind it, an arbitrary one. Now, when you look at the genetic code, you just can't find that. And it's a super-code that we can read and write down, and use ourselves to make ourselves.

You can go into the lab now, open a notebook in English, and you can write it down in the genetic code. And you put it into an animal or a plant, and lo and behold, the animal or the plant will build itself from the concepts you had first of all written down in English, and which are now written down in the genetic code.

It only takes eight or nine hours, you know, to duplicate the cells of your body. And you think that's a thousand volumes, each of five hundred pages, in the smallest script, the smallest type that you can think of.

You ask a secretary how long it would take to type out again a thousand books, each of five hundred pages. I asked somebody that once in a university meeting, and there was a bright young lady in front, and I noticed she didn't pay any more attention to me after I asked her that, asked the whole congregation that.

There she was working a computer, you see here. She came up with the answer at the end, and she said, two and a half years, sir, if I work 24 hours every day, without stopping at all, you don't count the mistakes I make.

Well now, this is done with no noise, no noise, just put a few potatoes in your mouth, and off it goes, by room temperature, it gears itself. Now look, think what I've said to you. Think what I've said to you.

Genetic Determinism and Human Freedom

I'm glad you're laughing, I don't need to make you then, so that you've got enough oxygen in your brain. Now, if I say that to you, ladies and gentlemen, the natural consequence is, oh, oh, the man is a determinist.

He's a fatalist. You see, I've said to you really, if you think it through very carefully, that the most important thing is to get the right instructions, so that you're the right sort of person, genetically speaking.

So I will say to this, I will say this to you, ladies and gentlemen, that the most important thing for a young man, or a young woman, to take care of, is in the choice of his parents. You see, if he gets the wrong, if he gets the wrong instructions from mum and dad, he's going to suffer for it.

So I would ask you to be very careful about that little problem of who your dad and mum are. Now, and also, when you're thinking of marrying, consider it too, both sides. Very, very important. Because there are certain hereditary diseases which ought not to be passed on, you know.

Degenerative diseases, which are undermining the state of our race. Because medicine allows all sorts of things to happen, which normally wouldn't happen today, and which would wipe out those diseases.

Leave that. Do I believe in fatalism? Am I like the Muslim, our dear friends, who just simply say, Inshallah, God did it that way, and that's it. Am I determined genetically? Well, I am, to a certain extent.

You see, I've told you, my genes come from my father and my mother, and I can't help it. Well, I'm very glad, actually, but that's it. You see, the fact that I have the genes, X, Y, I have, you see, prove it, fear does it, X, Y, that was given me a conception, and I can't do anything about it.

That I'm a man, is just simply determined. God knew all about that, but it's determinism. Okay? The fact that my wife is XX, that was determined when she was conceived. She can't do anything about it, neither can you.

Now, so far, we are determined. So far that I have blue eyes, that's determined. My mother and father didn't have the dominance of brown eyes, and that's it. I can't do anything about it. But I will ask you another question.

Although I can't do anything about X, Y, and my wife can't do anything about XX, and we don't want to do anything about it, actually, but, no, can't argue about it. Do you think, now, let me ask you a question.

Do you think that because I'm X, Y, my wife is sitting there? What do you think? Do you think that my X, Y determined that I married my wife? What do you think? Well, if I were XX, I couldn't, could I?

But if it's X, Y, I can. But then, over and above that, inside those limits of XX and XY, we have freedom. But only inside those limits. You see, you can't do anything about the color of your skin. But the color of your skin does not determine your wife.

It may have a slight influence on it, but it doesn't determine it. So, you see, you have two outside barriers within which you have freedom of choice. There's determinism to a certain extent with your eyes, there's determinism to a certain extent within limits, but inside those limits you're free, and outside you're not.

So, you see, it's complicated to talk about these things, but it's very essential that we do consider them. Now, let me give you three or four experiments to show you just how this works. I'm going to go through them quickly.

Environmental Effects on Gene Expression

If anybody doesn't understand them, just please put up your thumb and finger, I'll see it, and try and get it straight. Experiment number one. I take some purebred fish, little fish, name doesn't matter, but they're purebred.

And the father fish fertilizes the eggs of the mother, and she lays a thousand eggs. Now, all those eggs, each one of them, is a zygote, which is practically an identical twin to the next one. Because you see, they're purebred, there's very little variation in them, and every fish looks like every other fish of this race.

Okay? Now, I take 500 of those eggs, and I put them in seawater, and I let them hatch out. When the 500 hatch out, I have 500 hopping little fish that run around, and they have swim around, and they have two little eyes at the side of their head, like two little side lamps at the side of their head.

Okay? That's what normally happens. Now, if I take the other 500, which are genetically practically identical with the first 500, and I put into the seawater just a little bit too much, just a trace too much of magnesium chloride.

Now, magnesium chloride is a constituent of seawater, so I'm putting in nothing new, I'm putting just a little bit too much. Not much, but just a little bit. And I let them hatch out. And I get out from the seawater with the magnesium chloride in it, I get 500 little fishes swimming out of their eggs, and each of them has one huge cyclops eye in the middle of the forehead.

Now, the genes are there to make two eyes. The chemical instructions are there to make two eyes. But in the presence of an environment which is favourable for one eye, like the giants of old, you know, with one big headlamp looking at you instead of two, in the presence of the magnesium chloride a trace too much, I get one eye.

What's done it? The environment controls the expression of the instructions in your genes. Your environment controls the expression and development of your genes. If your environment's unsuitable, you can have the best genes in the world, it won't help you much.

You've got to bring out what's in them by a suitable environment. Now, that's experiment number one. You can repeat it if you like, you can get the fish and do it. Experiment number two is this. You all know, or let me see if you do know, see if I can see the expression on your face, you all know who Aletheus Obstetricans is.

Sorry, my apparatus is out. Does it work or does it not work? Oh yes, Aletheus Obstetricans. It's on, you just have to look and see which one it is. He's the midwife toad. Now he's a very friendly little fellow, and he lives on dry land, and he's not fussy, like other toads are.

The father's a very good fellow, he's a real good one, because when the mother lays her eggs, he takes the slime of the eggs and wraps them like a string around his body, and he functions as the uterus, he functions as the womb.

He hatches the eggs himself on dry land. Friendly little fellow, and the eggs don't hatch to tadpoles, they hatch inside this slime to toads that can look after themselves. Now listen, Aletheus Obstetricans, the midwife toad, doesn't have like most toads during the breeding season, the little black copulation pads which ordinary toads have on their thumbs.

You see, the ordinary toad that lives in water or near water, the mother, when she's laying her eggs, is very slippery because of the water, and if the male can't hold her, he can't fertilize the eggs.

In the case of the midwife toad, the wife and the husband, they both live on dry land, and the female is therefore dry when she's fertilized, and the male can hold her without these black copulation pads which all other toads have on their thumbs.

Now there was a man called Paul Cameron who lived in Vienna, and he believed that Darwinism was impossible because it was done by chance, and he thought that you could put in the environment into the genes to give them new information after the principles of Lamarck.

Now you know Lamarckism has been disproved, but that's what he thought, that was his idea. And so he said, let's see, let's see, we'll take the midwife toad and we'll breed them through many years on dry land in the lab where we've got no water.

And he did that, and of course no pads or anything developed, but then he took others and he made them breed in water so that the female was always wet and slippery when she was fertilized. And you know after a number of generations the male toads at the time of mating all developed little black pads on their thumbs.

Well, he published that and said I've proved that Lamarck was right. If you put the environment there, the environment will go into the genes and they'll get the genes for making toad pads which we don't usually have.

So they published that, and Bateson, who was a rabid evolutionist, he didn't like Lamarckism at all. He hurried over from London to Vienna and he looked at them. He looked at them as a scientist looks at things with a critical eye.

And he laid these preparations of midwife toads' legs in the mating period into water. And out came the Indian ink. Now some assistants had tried to help poor old camera and made the pads a bit more impressive by injecting very carefully a bit of Indian ink into each.

The pads were there, but she was too enthusiastic, it was a she, nobody found out who did it. But you know the poor man so lost his courage over being exposed like that that he went into the mountains and shot himself with his right hand through his left temple.

Now it wasn't necessary to do that because he was right. You see what had happened was this, the environment of the water had brought out the latent genes in the midwife toad. He had the genes all along, but his environment was not such that he needed them.

And he didn't develop them. Now she's like me, if I go into the garden, I've got lily white hands now, I haven't been into my garden for six weeks. When I go into my garden and dig with the spade and foot method, you know, first of all I get blisters, then I get corns on my hands, horny pads onto my hands here.

Now that is merely the fact that the pressure on my hands activates my genes and I produce those things for self-protection. If I don't work, everything goes back. But if I do work in the garden, they come out and I activate my genes.

So you see, you could have lots of genes in your body and unless you have the environment acting on them, they don't come out, they remain latent instead of becoming patent. That is, the environment triggers the development of the information on your genes which you've got.

Social Environment, Family, and Development

Now I've got a third one which is very, very important indeed. It's this, if you take wistar rats, they're white ones, you know, with red eyes, and you get, they're nice little fellows, if you get those rats purebred, you can breed them together, brother and sister, and you get no abortions and no things like, no monstrosities out.

They're purebred, there's nothing in them to come out which is bad, and so they breed true, even brothers and sisters, like the human race at the start did, you know. There's no difficulty about the wives of Cain and Abel.

They were perfect, you see, so that nothing bad could come out, and even the pharaohs lived that way, you know. They always married their sisters to keep the royal genes within the family. Abraham married his half-sister the same way, and the Jews are certainly not degenerate, they're certainly very intelligent people, half-brother, half-sister marriage.

Now these rats, if you take a mother of a wistar rat and you let her breed, say, with her brother, and she produces a litter of tan. Now they're nice squirmy little things, you know, blind at the start, and all they've got one interest for is, of course, the mother, and to get something out of her, and you take five of them and you put them to the mother, just after birth.

You take the other five and you put them in solitary cages, where they're kept warm, and they're fed from a pipette, and then liquid, and then later they get the solid stuff from an endless belt. You bring them up in solitary confinement.

They never see anything of life at all, neither a human nor a rat. Now if you let them go for a year like that, and then you do a rat IQ, you all know what an IQ is, don't you? I hope yours is 150, and okay, leave it at that.

You do the IQ of these rats by a rat IQ method. When you do that to the ones that have been in the family, they're 25 to 30 percent higher than those who have been brought up alone in solitary confinement.

And if you cut a section through the brain, and you look at the connections in the brain, synapses and so on, you'll find that the rats that are brought up with the mother are 25 to 30 percent better developed than the brains of the rats that have been brought up alone.

Now if you let those rats, after a year that have been brought up alone, go back to the mother, they can't accommodate themselves. They can't fit in. They're sexually impotent often. They can't bring up a family themselves.

If you do it with monkeys, if you take a monkey and bring it up alone, you know it can't copulate. It has no idea of sex and no relationship to other people. You see, what happens is this, that in the family, the mice react with one another with the mother, and the mother brings up the mice, and the mice bring up the mother.