The National March for Some Life

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I want to get into this here quickly. I don't have anything funny to talk about today. All business.

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All business. We have back with us for the second week in a row our dear friend,

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Mr. Jon Speed. Hey, brother. Thank you for having me back.

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My pleasure. I'm glad to have you. Before we get into the topic that's listed in the title of the show,

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Jon just got off the Skype with one

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Sean Hannity. Whoa. Big time. That's the big time.

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I want to hear all about that. It was nerve wracking, right? Yeah. I said it was like skydiving.

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Fox and Friends was like skydiving. This wasn't much different. It was really fast -paced.

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I managed to squeak in a Babies Are Murdered Here reference an End Abortion Now reference into the website.

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It just seemed like his big beef is with the third trimester. I thought it was revealing about Republican thinking.

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The third trimester is bad. Well, it's all bad. Back to conception.

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I tried to make that point and he just kept moving things on. He tries to intimidate you a little bit with the interruptions and stuff.

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You'll hear that. It airs at 4 .30 Eastern. I just got an email from the producer a second ago.

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It'll be 4 .30 Eastern. He bought a couple of books. Awesome.

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He's like, he wants your Taylor Caldwell books. I'm like, okay. Who's Taylor Caldwell?

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What's that? A southern fiction writer he really liked. I think probably a

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Roman Catholic. I'm not sure. That would make sense. Naturally.

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Well, hey man. That brings us into the focus of what you guys were examining in the

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March for Life. Catholic Woodstock. Catholic Mecca.

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Gotta make the journey. Why does he have the views that he does about the seriousness of the third trimester and where does that come from?

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I think the pro -life organizations have absolutely made certain kinds of abortions worse than any other abortion or later abortions are somehow deemed worse than earlier abortions.

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Why though? Why have they done that? I think they've done that as a way to win favor with the world.

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I think that's a huge part of it. I think they feel like if they're outright against abortion at all that they won't win as many points with politicians or just major news organizations in general.

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If you go to National Right to Life you're going to see nuns in full garb you'll see priests people marching with crucifixes 5 -10 feet high.

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It is a Catholic Woodstock. There's tons of Catholic high schools that come and visit and it's all rah rah rah pep rally with no plan to win the game.

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It's just people saying, I love babies yes I do, I love babies how about you?

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It's just all day. That's what I was talking about with John before the show. There's no strategy for victory only a game that you continually fight but there's no end in sight ultimately.

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There's nothing that we're getting to. They may say, yeah we want to end abortion but there's no strategy.

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This is what they will tell you. They say the first thing is we have to create a culture a culture of life how do you do that?

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How do you create a culture of life? You educate people. They'll say conversion. To what?

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They'll use biblical language like the truth will set you free biblical language anytime it's talking about the truth and being set free and conversion it's all about going from pro -choice to pro -life so there's absolutely zero and it's all neutrality it's all neutrality there's zero regeneration that needs to happen there's zero gospel proclamation in fact the theme of this year's

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National Right to Life was science is pro -life so yeah it was all about science

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I'm working on Babies are Murdered here too so I gathered clips Ben Shapiro saying this is not a

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Christian argument this is a scientific argument or this is not a religious position this is a science position and so they're really trying to move the needle farther away from this fight being centered in a

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Christian worldview when all of scripture speaks of such fights as being a judgment on the

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Christian people so all the ecumenicalism there was a guy at the family research council bragging about how he was making the

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Abby Johnson movie and they had atheists praying with him and Catholics and Hindus and Buddhists but how's that possible?

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he was like I don't know so they're wearing this as this badge of honor and it's not a badge of honor it's a sign of God is going to judge you for this

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God is not happy about an ecumenical pro -life fight just like that verse that we read at the beginning if you don't have your fight not only your approach to this issue but also your methodology centered on Christ in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge if that isn't how you approach this and instead you're taken captive to philosophy and human wisdom and empty deceit and all of these hollow worldly pragmatisms

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I mean think about it it's not just for apologetics no it's not it's not just for apologetics it's for all of life

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John what would you say stood out to you at the National Right to Life this was the March for Life oh yeah it was the

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March for Life you and I went to that a couple years ago so we're talking about the March for Life in D .C

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the National Right to Life was two years ago was this by the Washington Monument yes so how many people you guys think were there oh a lot

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I heard 100 ,000 how much did the stadium for Mass fill couldn't have been much more 40 -50 ,000

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I don't know they had a whole basketball stadium the Capital One Arena was filled for Catholic Mass before the event so me and John are there and we're like man nobody's here this year and then they let out for Mass and it was just wow sorry go ahead

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I just wanted to make sure everybody knew exactly what we were talking about go ahead John I know Marcus asked you a question

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I forgot what he asked you I asked you what your take away was my take away from it was well the other thing

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I took from it was this thing is largely I would guess 50 -60 % of the

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March is Roman Catholic High Schools it's a field trip and you know obviously that kind of came out in the media with that whole

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Make America Great Again fiasco down the other side you start interviewing those kids asking them okay what are we going to do to end abortion or can we end abortion this year what do we do to end it and there's nothing that was really cool to ask people it was crazy oh it went right out of my head oh yeah there's something going on in the pro -life movement right now on a grassroots level where they are bringing up a whole bunch of other side issues like global warming and what else socialism like if we end capitalism we can end abortion

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I argued with a guy that was talking about you're talking about pro -life people yeah there was a pro -life guy and he had a sign that says end capitalism end abortion so I had a discussion with him

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I'm sure you were all over that one yeah I was the problem was there was just like so many there's looney tunes there right so you have like just really crazy strange people and then you have the big voices that are invited to speak there like Shapiro who's

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Jewish and then you have Abby Johnson who's very passionately obsessively

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Roman Catholic and she she swears by her

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Roman Catholicism although she will throw it away to end abortion in a heartbeat if she had that option yeah no pun intended they're all really we can put religion aside for the sake of ending abortion so you have all these mixed bag religious groups there even

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Reuben Israel was there which was weird oh he was but he wasn't there for the march that's the sort of level of crazy you're going to see when you go there but then

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I think John brought it up but we would ask people is 2019 the year abortion is ended in America and they're like I don't know about that we had this other lady come up to me when

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I had the microphone and she's like oh yeah yeah yeah I'm pro -life but I just want to make it very clear I'm against the death penalty too because I'm consistently pro -life and so I brought up like Deuteronomy 22 with her about like what about someone who murders a child in the womb and she's like you're just taking the

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Bible literally you're just well you mean I'm believing what

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God's standards of justice are so there's no consistent world view when fighting abortion and I think in a lot of ways that's good for us because you know the

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Bible says that a house divided against itself cannot stand so I feel like if there's an opportunity here and especially with the end abortion now and all churches the over 300 churches that we have if they came together under one unified confession or standing on the word of God if they come together and they say we are going to end abortion

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Christ is king and this is what's going to happen I think all the other pro -life organizations are going to have to fall through to come in line with that and we saw that with what happened with John Speed we saw all

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National Right to Life, Family Research Council every pro -life organization live action,

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LifeSite News they haven't touched babies are murdered here in five years and it took five years in one day and suddenly everybody's talking about what

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John Speed's doing and it's because John Speed made the big move there and that's just that should show you how easy it is it's not hard John didn't do anything that crazy he didn't get in a wheelbarrow and go off of Niagara Falls with an end abortion now written on the barrel that would have been entertaining or walk a tightrope across the falls with a banner so it's easy we just have to do something speaking of that John you were just telling us that activist

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Mommy our good friend Elizabeth Johnson has got something up her sleeve that's been inspired by what you did can you fill us in a little bit on what that is yeah she is doing she's putting together a national day of mourning on February 23rd suggesting that basically business owners around the country wear black that day repent for our nation's involvement with abortion shut down their businesses for the day and that kind of thing and so she's doing a rally she's putting together a rally in Albany once they have the details of that together they're going to put it up on a website but you can go to Facebook and if you go day of mourning

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M -O -U -R -N -I -N -G you should be able to find it sweet that's awesome man all we need is a little spark to start another movement

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I just thinking here as you guys are discussing this we just saw the same type of thing in Australia we've seen it in Ireland the major groups in those nations the major pro -life groups are the same ones that are here march for life they're all the same groups they're just repackaged for a different culture if you will we were just in Australia which by the way

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Carmen's been working hard and he's almost done with those messages I can't wait to see those one thing we found when we were preparing for Australia and again

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Ireland both is like if you go to their websites all those major pro -life websites they're all catholic run and none of them even mention the gospel and I know because I ran a search on all these sites right and all the searches came up zero results when you type in gospel except there was one

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I forget which site it was and it took me to some site here in the states that was completely catholic and you ran the gospel search on their site and it was this long speech from the

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Pope John Paul and it was all about Mary and all this nonsense and so it's you're absolutely right they're trying to do it from a point of neutrality where the gospel has nothing to do with this fight and it's look where we're at and I think that the removing

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God from their position embracing an ecumenical position to the degree that they are is essentially like that's worse in God's eyes than abortion right that's we're comparing sins here they're not far apart but God hates idolatry a lot come out from among them and be ye separate you see entire nations that were just leveled just for that alone so it's like well if you guys end abortion

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God's still going to level our nation right it's just the zeitgeist it's the spirit of the age the pluralistic relativistic all that doesn't matter how we do it let's just work together like you said you gave the example of family research council they dropped a video not too long ago they dropped about myths when it comes to abortion and one of the myths was you need religion in order to fight it right and dude if you think about how crazy that sounds like this is a myth you need

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Jesus you need religion in order to end abortion that's the myth is what they're saying right but it's impossible to approach abortion from an irreligious perspective well

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God's going to be like ok give it a shot right so do it see how that fares for you if you ask about abortion as soon as you start talking about it what is it what is a human being that question alone how you answer that question is a religiously motivated question you have to give a religious answer because it assumes exactly it assumes an explanation of origin of morality of what we do when you take a life what the sanctions should be when you take a life do we call it murder those are all religious questions because they all assume that you have to have a world view at the bottom in order to make definitions in the first place so it's not like someone's going to approach it from an irreligiously neutral perspective they're bringing their perspective into it no matter what whether they've considered it whether they've critically examined it it's a religious question and you're going to give a religious answer to it no matter what we were just talking about this last week what's the one sign we see all the time is keep your theology off my biology and I was like we need to make sure it's to say your theology defines your biology that's right and that's exactly what you're saying that's your world view it's going to define how you approach everything in life including your biology just like the women that get abortions they have a world view too they've been told that their existence precedes their essence and they've believed it all of us have bought this lie about how we can exist but not have any value the value is only in what we make for ourselves we're the author of our own story we're the captain of our own seas whatever you want to say and then we get consistent and we apply that to the child in the womb that has no value no dignity is worthy of no protection whatsoever because they haven't exercised their will like the mother has so when we get consistent and we start talking about putting these philosophical principles of the world we've adopted them through osmosis many times haven't examined them and then just apply that in the world in our lives and we get things like third trimester abortion because that child is getting in the way of that woman creating the best version of herself she's not in her mind making a choice between life and death even though that is the choice the pro -choice people the choice that's being made is the choice to define yourself and if the definition of yourself doesn't include children at this time you have a fundamental right and an authority as a woman to kill your baby that's what's going on and so as Christians we need to be aware of the fact that this is a religiously motivated question just like those that champion abortion on demand can't they say well no

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I don't bring a religious perspective to this I just bring science well first of all no you don't because the science demonstrates conclusively that life begins at conception so what you've done now is back off the science into a moral argument for choice and say that it's about this nebulous concept of personhood that somehow you can be a human non -person explain that one it's not possible because in God's worldview the world that he made if you're human you have intrinsic worth value and dignity by nature of who and what you are it's not something you earn at some arbitrary point in time in the future when you have a heartbeat when you can feel pain when you've passed through the magical birth canal right so this is a religious issue and if you don't accept that and embrace it up front this is never going to end and it's never going to change because like you said

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God's not going to honor it first of all and you're going to be inconsistent so you might as well just throw

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God's word at your feet and stand on it boom well I think we're going to end the show right there

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John you've been quiet for a little bit what are you thinking man I don't know

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I'm just tired you've been through a lot I'm tired yeah

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I mean I don't know man it's so simple to me that I have a hard time wrapping my mind around it you know you've got

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I think I told Hannity you know what have you got there in the womb you know at conception at conception you've got a human life this isn't a giraffe and it's not a goldfish you know it's a human life and scientifically ethically morally regarding our conscience we know it everybody knows it that's why it's such a key issue

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I think right now so many women have been affected so many men have been involved in this this whole gospel issue thing that people talk about this is a gospel issue we can proclaim the gospel in this situation and potentially end abortion proclaiming the gospel that's kind of what

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I'm trying to demonstrate through all this Fox and Friends especially when

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I was on there the gospel ties in directly to this and if we understand it from a gospel perspective we'll end it

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Amen well this I think there's an important thing attached with this that we were talking this week that we really want to harp on right now we really want to push and that's state sovereignty we're going to be talking a lot about this the next couple weeks so get ready for that we've got some potential awesome guests coming up to discuss that we talked about it last week with New York they passed that bill and again ultimately

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I'm glad I'm thankful that the passing of that bill is finally getting some

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Christians to stand up and open their mouths I'm thankful for that but ultimately it's no different than any other abortion bills it's the same thing it's just they've moved the line of death further so ultimately there's no difference there but what we're talking about is just the fact that the liberals get this they get the state sovereignty they understand that that's how these laws change at a state level and you see that with New York it's been what another 3, 4, 5 states in the last week yeah dude that's the thing how quickly this avalanche is falling now it is remarkably fast so when we were at the family research council's pro -life con as they call it oh that's hilarious they had this lady she was the president of students for life and she's talking about the tortoise and the hare and her example is that we're the tortoise we will win this fight slowly but we will win this fight and she said that the hare is sleeping right now we got the poles on our side and I looked at John this was before the

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New York legislation I looked at John and I said when do liberals sleep? not on abortion they're dominionists they're taking dominion we're the ones asleep so that's their mentality they're delusional they think that as long as they keep passing laws and bribing politicians with money we're somehow going to win this fight and that's just not the case we're not going to win unless we come out just full out assault on this problem and ban it completely it's more like the liberals are the hare and we're the sleeping tortoise not only are we a turtle but we're a sleeping turtle that's absolutely true this won't happen at a federal level it's not going to happen if another judge dies and Trump promotes another quote unquote right wing judge it doesn't matter it's not going to change anything it has to happen at the state level that's what we've been trying to say and apparently the liberals have been listening to us because they got it and if 46 years of the same thing doesn't convince you of that what will?

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how many more years will it take? how many more babies have to die? it was a pro -life supreme court that got us

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Roe v. Wade they voted in favor of Roe v. Wade and they continue to have republican dominated supreme courts for the next what 20 years?

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yeah I think Bush had a congress and senate on his side and they didn't do anything every time

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Trump had a full house and a full senate and he didn't do anything there's got to come a point where all the people that are supporting these organizations like National Right to Life and Family Research Council just go hey wait a minute are you guys actually doing the best job?

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because it seems to me that the liberals are doing a much better job than you guys are the liberals are libertarian when it comes to abortion they want to get rid of all regulation and then the republicans are democrats when it comes to abortion because they want to regulate everything and so they're fighting like libertarians for abortion with the new law in New York you can be a

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McDonald's employee and perform abortions it's completely deregulated it's completely deregulated and when we've tried to make the case that we should just do an outright ban on abortion people are like oh that's crazy we don't have the votes and that'll never pass and like this and that and then the liberals go hold my beer we'll show you what we can do our system of government too was designed to affect change at the state level when federal powers abuse the power that they've been given by God when they become tyrants and when they start doing these things we not only have the ability, we have the responsibility and the duty in order to ignore them, defy them and establish justice but like we talked about last week, that'll never happen unless Christians are speaking to the political realm and the realm of government and politicians and city councils and everything that we're trying to do to push this back in the other direction because Christians need to be the ones instructing their magistrates on what's righteous and that is going to require something besides natural law right it's going to require something besides some nebulous agreed upon moral code that doesn't even exist anymore, first of all because as the culture continues to progress into destruction and you have things like people not even knowing what gender they identify as how can

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I agree with my neighbor about abortion when he doesn't even know whether he's a man or a woman right, so this whole idea of natural law and how that's sufficient we all have these agreed common principles that we can all share it's a disaster and it's going to take actually an objective unchanging standard that we point to and say no rather than just relying on well who's got the most seats in office

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Republicans or Democrats because it's an endless shuffle when is it going to end when we were at the

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March for Life this guy told me, he's like well you know we just need to get the number of votes on our side and then the

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Democrats are going to come back and get even more so I asked him, I was like well you know you know that the women,

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I was like how many women got the right to vote how many women voted for the right to vote and he was like he just thought about it, he was like oh

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I don't know, how many and I was like zero! Zero! and I was like you don't need the numbers on your side, you just need to be loud you know that's all we need to do and we're not

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I mean you know what's happening in New York and Virginia like it's sad and people are outraged but a week or two from now people won't care you're going to forget people listening to this radio show are outraged right now they're outraged and they're just going to forget about it in a week or two they're just going to forget

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Planned Parenthood, they're still selling baby parts you were outraged over that two years ago for a week and they're still killing over 300 ,000 children they're still killing all those children you guys aren't really mad

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I want to see people really mad yeah like the liberals they're not afraid to hide their anger and I'm just sitting here thinking people forget this the politicians work for us we're paying for them and if they're not doing what they should be doing then why are we allowing them to continue to work for us we need

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Christians and it starts in the pulpit, it starts with pastors, we need Christians to stand up hold their legislators accountable and accountable to what?

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that's always the question it's got to be accountable to God's objective standard, that has to be the rule

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Romans 13, everybody likes to throw it around submit to your authority separation of church and state read the whole chapter the legislators are

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God's deacons his ministers, he has placed them there to do his will and they answer to him and they are accountable to him and his law and so we have to stand up we have to be loud like Marcus said we have to stop being cowards and we have to hold them accountable to God's law and that's where we failed that's where the church has failed and again we talked about this last week yes

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I'm going to say it, it comes back to your eschatology someone complained last week that that's all we talk about it's because it matters oh no you can see people commenting all the time just go look at any major news outlet that wrote an article about the passing of the

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New York bill and you will see that they have said that well it's just going to get worse from here this is exactly what the

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Bible says is going to happen it has ramifications for what you do and how you live

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I know people in my family that have when the whole SCOTUS thing happened with gay marriage

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I had someone literally say my bags are packed and I'm all prayed up and I'm like but that's where we're at because that's how the church has approached the culture it's how it's approached politics and we're just sitting back waiting for the rapture it's an abandonment of the public sphere in favor of neutrality because of a desire to escape are you guys paying attention to what's happening with the early rain church in China?

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I mean so if you go to the Facebook page that has the updates I don't know what it's called but they're playing videos of this pastor and he's talking about if there's a gun to my head and they say you die they say denounce

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Christ or I'm killing you and your entire congregation he's like what would you guys in my congregation have me do?

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and he's laughing as he's telling this but those guys are in a position now where they have to defy the government seriously they have to defy the government and right now we have a little bit of freedom left to where we can go we're arguing over this isn't that big of a deal you know we'll still use the processes that we have and you know

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God's given us a lot of grace but that's going to be gone because God wants a nation filled with churches like early rain it's going to be like I'm with the pastor if they blow off his head, blow off mine too

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Psalm 119, 46 I will also speak of your testimonies before kings and shall not be put to shame for I find my delight in your commandments which

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I love that's not the pro -life organizations at all do you have a love for God's righteous standards do you have a love are they your delight because according to the psalmist those testimonies, those standards those statutes are supposed to be in the ears of those in authority and you can't do that unless you go put it in their ears put it in front of them you know this whole discussion

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I'm just sitting here thinking it's all about fear right like you're talking about early rain I heard someone the other day talking about a woman from that church who she had made a post or something where she basically was like get ready for church,

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I don't know if I should wear my church clothes or my jail clothes and she ended up going to jail that day and she was in, you know at the time of this

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I heard this, she had been in jail for like two weeks I don't know if it still is or not she was not fearful she was brave, she was bold all these politicians

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I'll let you say this, all these politicians they operate out of fear they're afraid of not being elected and they're afraid of the federal beast right and us

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Christians for too long have operated in fear we're afraid to stand up for God's law we're afraid to stand up for truth and so we have not held them accountable so when it comes to legislation when it comes to things like abortion the question is who are the politicians fearing more and right now the answer is that they're fearing the liberals more than they are those who stand for truth, those who stand for life well they've given early rain, the

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Chinese government has given early rain an option and that option is send your elders to our school our government sanctioned seminary and then we'll approve them and then we won't bother you anymore now in America if something like that happened there'd be people saying oh just do that, submit

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Romans 13 get the accreditation and they're saying no, we're not going to submit and teach what the government wants us to teach, we're going to do what the

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Lord will have us do and I mean no one's heard from the pastor, I don't even know if he's still alive so I mean when you look at the subject of abortion in our country, we have the same people that are just like do what the government wants just follow it, this is just Romans 13 and Rome was an evil government too and it's just like we've got to at some point we've got to just be like no more well think about what our forebearers did in the establishing of our nation like how little did they put up with and they were willing to go to war over it and how far have we fallen and how much we're willing to put up with and that should weigh heavy on all of our hearts for the sake of our own children and our own subsequent posterity and the generations that are going to come after us is what are we conditioning them to put up with, how much evil are we conditioning them to tolerate because look at how much evil our forebearers tolerated and now how far we've fallen and what we allow to go on before we actually say something, how much further down the line if we don't break the chains, if we don't stop this in its tracks how much are we preparing our children to put up with in terms of evil in a nation.

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Somebody sent me the 1779 South Carolina state constitution and in it it says that the state of South Carolina acknowledges that Christianity is the religion of the state like it says there is one true

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God and it is the Christian God and that's in the state constitution of South Carolina and now everyone's like we just need to fight abortion without God like are you serious?

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We're so far removed from our history man. You said something a few minutes ago I wanted to touch on you said you know people say well

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Rome was an evil nation too and I hope someone says that to me. We talked about this last week because guess what?

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Yeah they were and guess what? Why were the Christians persecuted? No king but Christ. Right.

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Caesar was not. Guess what? They stood up against Rome. The Christians stood up against Rome and said no we're not going to bow to Caesar and that's why they were persecuted.

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That's a historical fact you know and that's what Christians are not doing. Yeah and now they're like we don't even need to bow at all we could just you know we could just fight without God we'll just go to Caesar without God.

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Part of that's comfort too I think man we're so comfortable with our stuff and we love the things of this world so we're not willing to speak out because those things could be taken away from us.

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We love those things right and the Bible says if anyone loves the things of this world the love of the Father is not in him so ouch right?

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Think about the things that you love. Think about the things that bring you entertainment and happiness and amusement right and then think about for a second are you willing to give them up for righteousness and justice?

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Are you willing to lay them down because those things are nice to have right?

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It's nice to have our stuff our stuff is it's nice I mean it's nice to have nice stuff but are we willing because of our love for the things of this world to lay them down take up our cross and instead love

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God and love neighbor more to actually do something about this if it means sacrificing our possessions our positions you know everything that we have because that could very well be where we're headed it's possible it's very possible yeah

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I heard John catching his breath over there I think you gonna say something brother? yeah

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I think what we really have to do is teach our churches what that church is going through early reign covenant in Sunday school in our church

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I've been reading through I can't remember if it was the 14 resolutions or something that he wrote a document he wrote before he was arrested things that he said look

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I'm not gonna do these things as long as God gives me grace and strength and as long as I'm not tortured to the point where I can't think straight anymore he says

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I'm not gonna deny the gospel you know I'm not gonna I'm gonna ask for a bible you know

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I'm not gonna sign any documents that you know incriminate anybody going over that stuff with our church has been pretty powerful you know at this point no way are we anything like China but I sometimes wonder you know at what point is

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Governor Cuomo gonna sit up and take notice of what we're doing here you know what I mean and decide they're gonna take a look at my records and see if I screwed up somewhere paying taxes sales tax somewhere along the way just to try to strike back he's probably not gonna do it right now but down the road you know if your church decided to actually make a stand would they be ready to stand a lot of pastors think that through count the cost and like we were talking about last week

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John all you did was put a stupid sign in your store window not that the sign was stupid but it's a sign you didn't even do that much it was bold it was brave you were greatest but it wasn't it wasn't difficult you said it last week you're like it's not like I went and threw a bunch of tea into the bay you know it was a sign in my window and like something so little and it's all that's needed to spark like outrage and anger and like a movement but Christians are afraid to do that Christians are afraid to put a simple sign in their store window just tell them the truth that's it just tell the truth you know

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I've been out to abortion clinics I've been spit on by people you know have all kinds of crazy stuff happen street preaching all that stuff and you know those things

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I kind of look back at and say well you know nobody was paying any attention back then you've done much more courageous things than put a sign in your window right oh goodness gracious we need more courage

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Christians that are listening I mean be bold be courageous be a

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Gideon right we talk about this all the time Gideon literally tore down the idols in the

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Asherah polls and guess where he started in his own backyard yeah this fight just as much as it is about taking it to the culture ungodly systems of thought everything that props itself up in opposition to Christ is just as much about killing the sin in your own life and killing the idolatry in your own backyard before you go out to take it on in the world because if you don't you're not going to be freed up to fight and you're not going to be effective and trust me

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I'm saying this because you see it in your own life when you get involved especially with the ministry like we do and you have sin that has not been confessed you have sin that is secret sin sin that you're hiding you're not going to be blessed in your fight as you go to battle so you need to deal with your own idolatry first and you need to cleanse yourself from your idols and your sin so that way you can go be effective because before he went and destroyed the idolatry in his land he started wherever was closest to him his own backyard and wherever false gods and false worship was set up that came down first in his own life so that's what we have to do.

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Yeah and one thing I love about the story of Gideon that's a great point God told him to tear the idols down and he was scared to death and God said don't worry

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I got your back I'm going to take care of you and protect you and he did and Gideon tore those idols down and they immediately wanted to kill him we don't even have that happening right?

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John didn't have someone immediately at his store the next day wanting to kill him but God protected

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Gideon and we're just so fearful we're just so scared that something's going to happen and I was thinking too like even

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David before Goliath and John that's what you did with your sign your sign was who are you uncircumcised

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Cuomo right who are you I'm sure he would love to hear that who are you to come against the army of the living

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God right like I'm not paying your stupid taxes tomorrow and the thing is that Gideon didn't even need the numbers on his side

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God said his army was too big yeah so God cut it down for his glory that's true he'll make sure that no one is able to boast for ending abortion right that's right he'll make sure of that and so church that's what we need to remember is your army too big is it full of pagans is it full of people with no gospel proclamation is it full of people with no ability to change hearts other than to throw signs at people which is silly because everyone knows this is a child anyways we don't need these things anymore everybody knows everybody knows so yeah is your army too big

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Christian stop lapping water up like a dog let's do it the right way and I know we're kind of shifting gears sorry that was a theology nerd joke

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I don't know how many people caught that I know Marcus caught it that was a little grenade just let it sit there for a minute

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I know we're kind of shifting gears here with this but we're talking about the things that we're willing to give up if it means speaking for righteousness and we have so much here living in this land that we're not willing to part with it's really just pleasures it's so much unnecessary pleasure but the key is

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Dr. White said this once in his message that he gave at Apologia it's not the overt massacre of Christians that has been such a hard thing for the church to handle over the centuries it's been the slow and steady erosion by the denial of certain privileges in lives of Christians over a long period of time that just starts to eat away at believers in other words the government says we're just going to give you the bare minimum of what you need to survive and that's going to be your existence just eking out survival for yourself and living on not we're just going to straight up kill you we're going to take away everything that you find enjoyable and then you're going to live your life like that and that's how dictators and tyrants and tyrannical governments have tried to stamp out the faith and they've been effective in that because it's hard it's interesting if you read the book of Ezra you have them trying to build

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Jerusalem within the cities of this pagan Babylonian nation and then

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Babylonians go to the king and they say if these people build this city it'll be sedition against our country and so it's interesting that in scripture every time a

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Christian nation rose up or a godly nation rose up that the response was by the pagan governments this is treason, this is sedition this is rebellion so if your religion isn't causing the kings of the earth to want to figure out how to imprison you you're not doing it right you're not doing it right that's a great point in Rome you had them they had to confess

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Caesar as lord and they refused, that was seen as treason and they got killed the same thing and then

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Ezra tells them well how about you guys go read your history books and find out what happens to pagan nations that rebel against our city and they go and they read the history books and the king comes back and he's like okay go ahead, just build your city oh

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I'm sorry and then execute anyone who doesn't want to follow your god's law like that's what the king said wait, a pagan king?

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okay, so not a Christian king it wasn't a Christian king it was a pagan king said the god's law was a good thing said it's a good thing, follow it put to death anyone that rebels against you and then go bring your men who know the law, bring them to teach others in the nation to do the same so that was an act of treason, but he submitted to it and allowed them to build their kingdom there so that's a long ways away from where we're at Lord help us

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I was just thinking continue to raise your church up this even goes back to the garden, right? did god say that?

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like, god said fear not, did he say that I will be with you always? right?

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questioning his word it all goes back to autonomy and not trusting god yeah, like you said questioning his promise, questioning his his certainty no one's going to counsel god no one's going to tell him how to achieve victory no one's going to question him ultimately, and although we do not yet, as the bible says see all things in subjection to him which is where the bible says that they are right?

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the bible says that all things have been placed under Christ's feet right now like not in the future, like this was in the first century when that was written that all things were being made a footstool for Christ's feet and even though we don't yet see all things in subjection to him, we see him so christian church, our eyes need to constantly be on the king, the messiah king god's savior, god's anointed one who had the victory at the cross and from the grave over sin and death, over satan all of these things that plague our nation right now just remember that jesus is reigning he has the victory we believe, not only at the end of history, but he will have it in the here and now and so that's why we continue to be faithful because we need to walk by faith and not by sight and when it doesn't look like change is happening, when it doesn't look like these things are taking place in our favor, we keep our eyes on jesus, right?

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and we set aside every weight and the sin which so easily entangles and we run with endurance the race that is set out for us looking to jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross the joy that was set before him endured the cross thinking little of the shame that would come for laying his life down for his people, that's what christians need to have in their forefront thinking little of being ashamed if it means laying your life down for god and for neighbor maybe that's why the early rain, they named themselves that cause early rain christ had early rain history i think it's r -a -i -n, right?

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early rain hey we're winding down here but john is your buddy over there, can he come and say hi to us real quick?

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yeah let me check real quick, he's playing with my daughter i think a special guest that happened to pop in john's store when we gave it away surprise surprise yeah they're still on there you go, i'll turn this around hey you guys hear what the governor of virginia just said i was listening, i was driving over here and he said something in support of post birth abortion yeah i just read about that too i'm not surprised yeah that's crazy how's it going brothers?

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how are you man? doing alright thank you it was quite a drive though it was one of the hairiest days out there it's really windy it's not snowing much but the wind is blowing so the visibility is pretty bad but i made it how long did it take you to get there to syracuse?

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normally it should take about four and a half hours but i think it took me about six because of the weather crazy wind chill and everything that stinking global warming though, am i right?

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you know the thing is, global warming causes this though, you know that it doesn't matter what the weather is it's positive my parents are outside of chicago and it's like it's like 45 below right now with the wind chill they're studying record lows and temperatures and snow and all this stuff and i'm just like yep, good job

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Al Gore you nailed that one why did i watch that documentary in college? when it hits minus 40 it's the same celsius and fahrenheit, that's where they cross over oh no kidding when we're at minus 40 we're all the same haha what's up marcus back there too it is me, how's it going man good i hear you're coming this way at the end of february yeah hope to see you there good i'll have to pop up again but i heard that john was swamped so i thought i'd come down and help him wrap some books what a nice guy you are what a nice guy no no i'm just hanging out, that's it chilling literally yeah literally well hey man it's good to hear your voice and to see your face you too brother, i'll put john back on talk to you later hey john yes sir how many orders have you received well i haven't looked recently we're on 650 and that's not 650 books because those glenn beck people man they're crazy hahaha that's hilarious he says jump they say how high that's fantastic 10 -15 books a piece oh man who knows what hannity is going to do they're going to sell you out man get a new business hannity plugged the site 3 times in the short period of time i was on there wow brilliant that's awesome johnspeedbooks .com

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along those lines how many churches have signed up in the last week since john put up a stupid sign dude there's been at least 2 -3 a day that's amazing i say that to every cheat it's like every time i check my phone i see the emails come through one signs up normally they did it correctly every time i look i see another one pop up i'm reaching out to them get them confirmed we need more materials to get it out it's awesome praise god keep it rolling it's going to be a good movie guys babies are still murdered here you do not want to miss this one god is telling the story right before our eyes it's pretty cool just like the first time me and john made a movie that's right hey john thanks for being on again i know you're extra busy these days we appreciate your time glad to do it keep us updated we'll be praying for you you guys that are listening or watching you can check out john on facebook and see what's going on with him it's speed s -p -e -e -d just like the laws that aren't biblical ha ha ha marcus, king ginger it's good to have you back brother thanks man zach, i'm going to miss you he's going to be in kauai for a few weeks i'm not going to have you around i'm going to support our church plant and our friends out there we're excited three weeks and then it's my turn after that as always we are so incredibly grateful to all of our all access subscribers you literally make this possible you literally turn on the lights for us and we're grateful we found the toilet paper apparently which was hard to get this week that's a whole other story but we got it, they came, we found it they sent it to the neighbors so we brought the toilet paper for a couple days we tracked it down and we found it good job

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