Thousands Saved. Let's Save More Together.

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December 30, 2019

Brothers and sisters, since we started, thousands of lives have been saved. Thousands. Nearly 500 local churches have been raised up to do this work, together. Churches have begun the process of demanding immediate justice. You did this with us. Please consider joining us again in 2020 to end it, once and for all. We received a generous promise to match donations up to 450k by two generous families. Help us to make this goal and match this promise. Be a part of lives being saved, churches being raised up to minister in this area, and the full and final end. Please share with your friends!

00:00: Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago,
00:05: God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
00:14: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the
00:24: Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
00:30: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
00:39: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
00:51: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
00:59: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
01:08: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
01:23: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
01:32: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
01:43: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
01:50: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission.
01:56: And what God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
02:18: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
02:24: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
02:38: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
02:55: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
03:18: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
03:29: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
03:38: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
03:47: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
03:54: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
04:11: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
04:23: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year.
04:29: We want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019. We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning.
04:38: In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us. Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
05:20: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
05:27: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team of all of those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
05:46: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
05:54: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
06:04: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
06:21: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
06:27: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
06:59: Good afternoon, honorable representatives. My name is Desiree Mays. I'm a follower of Jesus Christ, a local resident, a wife, a mother, and a member of Apologia Church.
07:09: I come here today with the blessing of my pastors and the support of my husband and family. This week, our country celebrated
07:15: Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., and as you know, Dr. King had a dream, a dream that our nation would recognize that all people were created equal.
07:24: Well, that dream is dead for nearly 60 million people. Since Roe v. Wade, nearly 60 million babies have been murdered.
07:32: So that means every day for the past 46 years, children have been executed in our country, in our neighborhoods, all in broad daylight.
07:40: This type of oppression is difficult to even wrap our minds around. You may have bought into the pro -choice mantra, her body, her choice.
07:50: Well, that ignorant, unscientific argument has been debunked for decades. So I'm here today not to talk about her body, but I'm here to talk about the body inside of her body.
08:01: The body that has his or her own separate and unique DNA, fingerprints, mind, and soul.
08:07: Through modern ultrasound technologies and through medical advancement, everybody knows the baby in the womb is an actual living person at conception.
08:17: Science tells us this, and more importantly, God tells us this through his word. God also tells us that every single child is a gift to his or her parents.
08:26: Regardless of the circumstances surrounding your conception, whether you were planned or unplanned by your parents, whether you were wanted or unwanted, whether you were born into poverty or wealth, whether you were born healthy or with special needs, whatever the circumstances were, each of you were a gift to your parents, as is every single child in the womb of their mother.
08:51: Every single one of these lives, like yours, is precious and deserves the same protection as any other person made in the image of God.
08:59: As a mother, I began to think that sometime in the not -so -distant future, while looking back at this grim era in history, our children and grandchildren might ask us,
09:09: What were you doing? Where was everybody? So I come here today to plead with you to use your power to do something.
09:18: God has sovereignly placed each of you in the positions that you're in, and now is the time to do your duty and stand up for what is right.
09:26: Arizona already has a current law in the books that criminalizes abortion. Why are we not enforcing this?
09:34: Ignore Roe and uphold A .Z. Statute 13 -3603.
09:40: Don't be ruthless tyrants like New York. Be courageous and help Arizona to be the first in this country to be on the right side of history by protecting the most defenseless among us.
09:52: I know I speak for a whole army of other Christians when I say this needs to end now. We will not stop fighting and bothering you all until this monstrous, barbaric practice of legalized abortion ends, and we are teaching our children to do the same.
10:24: I was born in Las Vegas, and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when
10:40: I was a little boy, and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas, and I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.
10:56: And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment was when we were coming into Las Vegas, and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.
11:11: And I remember as a little boy just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing, and I was in awe of this city that I was born in.
11:22: And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.
11:32: And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry, and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.
11:47: And it's amazing, too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense, idolatry, rebellion, and opposition.
12:13: You see here is a city that is called what? Sin City.
12:20: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.
12:26: I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,
12:32: Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here, and people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.
12:47: It's underneath all of this. All of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.
12:53: It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.
12:59: There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.
13:11: Underneath all of this sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual morality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.
13:24: And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest, and you have the consequence, which is really glorious consequence, and that's life, the beauty of life.
13:43: And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.
13:55: And you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.
14:04: And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed
14:10: End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.
14:31: It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.
14:45: It's really, actually how Jesus describes the church is that that's our mission.
14:52: Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.
14:59: It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.
15:05: And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.
15:12: And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?
15:21: I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?
15:26: Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.
15:33: He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay. And he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.
15:39: We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world and all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.
15:52: We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.
16:00: We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.
16:10: That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.
16:20: And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion. And you can save lives.
16:28: Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.
16:35: You can be a part of being that light and that salt. Just go to endabortionnow .com
16:42: and you can get your church signed up for free. Get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoiling decay, and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
16:58: You can sign up right now for free. Free training, free resources. Everything is given away to your local church.
17:05: Go to endabortionnow .com. And yet, it is the supporters of the murder of children who are hiding, who are hiding, who refuse to engage in conversation.
17:29: What's that? I encourage you to turn from your sin, ma 'am. Turn to Christ.
17:37: This is amazing. Look what just was on the back of that car. Did you see the back of her car? That's amazing.
17:44: You know what it said on the back of that car? It said, Black Lives Matter. That's hogwash.
17:51: You lie. You lie. She is a liar. Black Lives Matter?
17:58: Really? Is that why you guys are supporting an institution and a practice that kills more black lives than anything?
18:07: You are a hypocrite. All of you are hypocrites. You pretend to care about social justice.
18:14: You say that you're woke. You're dead. You're not awake. You're dead.
18:20: You're liars. Black lives don't matter to you. You hate black people.
18:27: You are standing outside of an institution that kills more black people than anyone.
18:35: And you pretend to be woke. You pretend to love black people. You hate black men and women.
18:42: You hate them. You hate their children. You support an industry that is wiping out the black population.
18:52: Do you know that black people now are in a tougher position to propagate as black people because of your institution?
19:01: You lie. You are hypocrites. Amazing. The hypocrisy is astonishing.
19:10: It truly is. It's an incredible thing.
19:20: In these moments, we've been out here telling you about the bankruptcy of your system. And one of your own drives out with a full display of the hypocrisy and bankruptcy we were all pointing to all along.
19:37: Black lives matter. Unbelievable. That level of hypocrisy is astonishing.
19:44: The one thing I would never do as a
19:49: Planned Parenthood supporter is put a Black Lives Matter sticker on my car.
19:56: I wouldn't want to leave with that kind of self -refutation. I wouldn't want to leave with that kind of self -refutation hanging on the back of me everywhere
20:18: I went. Can you guys think through that? I really mean that humbly.
20:25: It needs to be refuted vigorously, but I mean it humbly. Can you guys consider the hypocrisy of carrying
20:32: Black Lives stickers on your car while you support an institution that is slaughtering black people?
20:43: Isn't it interesting that so many abortion mills just happen to be set up within the black communities in our cities?
20:55: Isn't it interesting that your death camps just happen to be in the areas where there's a lot of single, unwed black mothers?
21:08: Isn't it interesting that you are very, very profitable in the areas where there's the most black people pregnant?
21:22: If I'm lying, I'm dying, ladies. All you need to do is look it up. Check out the demographics of your industry.
21:31: Check out where they set up. They set up outside of college campuses with young women who get pregnant in college.
21:41: They set up outside of lower -income areas, unfortunately, with many black women.
21:51: And that's where your profit comes from. Your industry is paid through Black Lives Don't Matter.
22:01: And it's truly incredible to me. It's incredible that white people would be pretending
22:08: Black Lives Matter all while you guide the black lives in to be slaughtered.
22:17: This kind of foolishness can only come from a foundation that is so corrupt.
22:26: The only answer is this is just sin. You are made in the image of God, and that's what you need to hear from us today, is you are as important to us, as valuable, as worthy of dignity, even with your corrupt industry as the babies you are guiding into there right now.
22:49: We care for you like we care for the children that you are leading to the slaughter.
22:58: You are loved by us. My confrontation of your disgraceful perspective is not a hatred for you.
23:11: It is the love for God and love for you that motivates us to come out here today to reach you with the truth.
23:21: We want you to know God and be forgiven and have the grace of God above you, below you, around you.
23:29: We want you to know the forgiveness and freedom and love that you can have in Jesus Christ as a gift by God's grace through faith in Jesus.
23:41: The call is to turn from your sin to trust in Jesus Christ for forgiveness and salvation.
23:47: That's the call. That's why we're here today. We're not just here for the children that we pray
23:54: God has mercy on and they are saved and delivered from this place. We're not just here for the mothers and fathers.
24:01: We are also here to reach out in love for you. And we pray that you know
24:10: Jesus, that you would know him as Savior and Lord, that you'd experience the joy of salvation and life.
24:18: Nobody out here on this sidewalk deserves the grace of God that we have or his love.
24:25: This is a gift of God's grace that he's brought us to himself. But we are here today as his children pleading with you to know
24:36: God to save those children. What's up, guys?
24:44: Welcome, welcome, welcome. Very important announcement. Quick announcement for everybody today. Thank you all for joining us. We have been very, very excited to have this accomplished.
24:53: And very excited to be able to announce it to everybody. And the day is finally here. So this is Luke the
24:59: Bear. What up? I'm Jeff, the Covenant Ninja. That is Zach right there. Hey, Zach is the
25:04: Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. And we have very big news for everybody. So stay with us. This is big, big stuff.
25:10: We've been working on this now for months. And it is finally here. We wanted to be able to have a place, a landing spot for people across the
25:20: United States of America, and really everywhere, to be able to communicate with each other together over the issue of engaging the issue of abortion with the gospel and once and for all ending it.
25:31: And so we wanted to create a platform to do that. It's finally all done. And so Zach, could you tell everybody what that looks like?
25:37: This is a way for everybody who's watching right now to get connected to the ministry here and to be able to communicate with each other and to work together.
25:44: And it's a quick way. If something happens, we can immediately talk to each other and get at it together, right?
25:50: So help us with that. What does it look like? I think that's the most important thing when we're talking about how do we mobilize the church together?
25:56: So all the churches that are underneath the banner of End Abortion Now, up until now, we haven't really had an environment where all of these different people that are involved can come in, link up with one another, connect with each other, encourage each other, support each other.
26:09: And we can get mobilized together to be going towards the same objective or the same goal together with each other.
26:15: Up until now, we just haven't had the ability to do that in this way, this quickly. So with the coalition, when you join, you go to the website, you join, you're brought into a platform with local church members and even people that aren't a part of a local church but are still brought into this environment.
26:36: Let's say it's someone who has experience working on legislation for abortion and they're working on a bill in a certain state and they need other people on board or you want to ask questions about, okay, what would that look like in my state?
26:48: How do we do that? How do we get behind something like that? Can you give us tips about how to duplicate that process here? Those kinds of questions, those kinds of scenarios, it all, this environment, what it's designed to do is give us a place where we can come together and really mobilize effectively and fight, really, and I guess maybe throw a heavier punch together because now we can talk to each other.
27:10: Right. And now we have a way to get on board with each other quickly and move in the same direction. That's right. Endabortionnow .com is where you guys can all go to get your church linked up with us and under the banner of End Abortion Now where you can get free training, you can get free resources, you can get equipped from us on how to actually engage this issue to go out to the abortion models to save children and to go to your local legislature to demand immediate justice for the pre -born.
27:34: Right now we have about 400 local churches across the United States of America and around who are actually engaging this issue consistently, biblically, and saving lives.
27:44: Thousands of children have been saved through this ministry. You can be a part of it too with your local church. But now this is the next stage.
27:51: One of the things that we're dropping, actually, by the way, in the next week or so, probably a couple of days, we're dropping a special video that I created for everybody who's a part of End Abortion Now to train you on how to start your own media ministry.
28:04: We knew that this ministry has to be much bigger than Apology at Church. We're grateful to God that he's given us such an amazing platform and ability to reach and to equip and to train so many churches.
28:13: We're grateful to God for that. But we knew that it had to actually include other churches as well. You guys need to start your own media ministries to spread the word like Apology at Church.
28:23: And so I created for everybody who is already a part of End Abortion Now .com, special video training.
28:28: More is coming after that on how you can start your own media ministry. I teach you how to do it. And that's free training for everybody who's part of Apologia's ministry,
28:38: End Abortion Now. So everything's given away to all these churches. And for those of you guys that gave towards the ministry of End Abortion Now the last couple of years,
28:46: I want to say grateful to God for you, and this is the fruit of your labor. So please know that. It's the fruit of your labor.
28:51: What's happening right now, you are a part of, and we mean that. So we promised these things to everybody, and now they're all coming out piece by piece, and God's doing big things.
29:00: But it's free training, free resources for all the churches, free media training now, how to start your own media ministry.
29:07: And now we have the coalition ability where everybody can talk. Give an example. Okay, just a quick example of what that looks like for everybody so you can kind of know what we're aiming at here.
29:16: So let's say at the beginning of the year we had something to happen in New York with Governor Cuomo, where he actually put something in and works together to get something working in New York where you can kill babies up to birth.
29:27: Now what John Speed did, Pastor John Speed, he owns a bookstore in New York, and he just put a simple piece of paper on his door, and he said he was closing down for the day in protest and not pay taxes to the state of New York because they're killing babies.
29:40: And so what happened was that went crazy, went all over the country like wildfire. He was all over all the news, all the major media platforms,
29:48: Fox I think had him on and just a bunch of other things. So it was a very big deal, but it was also a lot of churches going, okay, guys, where do we go from here?
29:58: So what we were doing is we were actually saying, okay, guys, follow us. It'll look like this. We were in communication with John.
30:03: We were trying to let people know as much as we could. We were going to the legislature. We were putting videos up. Here's what we say.
30:09: Here's how you preach the gospel to them. And we were trying to encourage people like really through our platforms like, guys, here's what's happening.
30:16: Here's what we're doing. And churches followed us into that and started going to the legislature, and they started preaching the gospel to legislatures literally across the
30:23: United States of America. And it's been amazing. I mean, like now people are talking about abortion is murder. They're talking about criminalizing abortion, banning abortion across the country.
30:32: Now you have the pro -aborts across the country up in arms, actually now talking about the fact that now we're looking at bans of abortion.
30:40: Yeah, we weren't having that conversation seven years ago, eight years ago, like we are now.
30:47: So it's the fruit of your labor, brothers and sisters. It's all happening. It's all coming together. And the coalition app now is the ability to talk to each other.
30:56: So if something happens like with John Speed and like the next big push, we're able to get on there together and all talk to each other.
31:03: So if you want to be a part of this, you want to talk to Apologia Church, you want to talk to our people, you want to talk to everybody who's doing this ministry, get on the
31:11: Appy app. Yeah, get on it, man. Get on it. Because how do they do it? It's amazing. So what you need to do, what's basically happened already is if you're a church partner with an abortion now, you should have got an email to invite you into it.
31:24: And we need everybody, all hands on deck to agree to that and get inside and start interacting with each other.
31:30: I think one of the questions I get the most is, is there a church in my area who is working on this already?
31:36: Can you get me connected to that? Yeah, we've got a ton. The dashboard eliminates that because now you get in there and you're like, okay, there's someone in Dallas -Fort
31:42: Worth that's working on this already, or they're going to the I'm going to go with them because they're in my area. So those kinds of things are great.
31:50: Sorry, can you look up areas on that? You can look up, yeah, by member and actually search by location and things to find people in your area.
32:00: So dashboard .endabortionnow .com is where you go to request to be added.
32:07: You got to write a little description of why you want to be joined to the coalition. We'll approve you. You'd be able to get in there, start interacting.
32:15: So everyone has access to the mainframe of the coalition and can communicate with one another, church or not.
32:22: But there's a special place. Meaning whether you're a part of a church that's officially linked up with us or not.
32:29: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a Christian, you're not in a church. Right. Get in a church. Yeah. Okay, go ahead.
32:35: For sure. And then there's a private place where that's for church partners. You get added to that, you click on it, we'll get you in there.
32:43: And then you have access to the training resources, all of those things. You see that in the coalition.
32:49: Okay. So the front page, the main page is for everybody. And then we have the exclusive page for the church partners that you get into.
32:56: And we can have conversations in there about things specifically related to the gospel and church activity and coordinating one another as little churches.
33:04: But when you get in, make a profile, say a little bit about yourself, say hello to everyone. It's really like Facebook.
33:10: You can reply to each other. You can comment. And it really is just speedy. One of the things that's really cool about the app is you can get notified with push notifications.
33:19: So if something is posted in there, you get the notification on your phone. You go, oh, what's going on in Alabama right now?
33:26: Oh, great. We need to jump on this. Let me write this person back. So that's the thing about this. What makes it so neat is it's instant.
33:31: It really removes a lot of the wait time with social media. A post goes up and then it takes maybe hours or a few days to mobilize people here.
33:41: I feel like we can do it much quicker because we have the ability to communicate in a way that's really fast. That's awesome.
33:47: That is amazing. So what's up, Baby Lover? Yeah, right. Why don't you tell me or tell our audience what's up with that shirt?
33:55: Yeah. So Baby Lover, new t -shirts and different colors, red, white, and black. The story.
34:01: Yeah, story behind it. The story behind the shirt is actually just something that caught on at Apologia Church because we were at the mill one day here in Tempe ministering and there was a couple that walked behind me as I was preaching and calling out and they referred to me in a derogatory sense, right?
34:17: It was, you know, not a compliment. They yelled and shouted back at me, you
34:23: Baby Lover. Yeah. And I just remember at the time being so shocked by that. Like, this is kind of what we've come to in our nation.
34:29: It's a pejorative. A pejorative. People are mocking you or insulting you for loving children and laying your life down.
34:35: Because you were trying to save babies from death and they were like, you Baby Lover. Right. So I just remember at that time,
34:40: I'll never forget that moment. I just looked back at him and I said, well, what does that make you, sir? And there was no response for that because what's the opposite of a
34:48: Baby Lover? I mean, someone, they hate children is what it comes down to. It's an issue of the heart. But anyways, that caught on at church and we just started affectionately calling each other
34:57: Baby Lover, you know, as kind of a playful thing. What's up, Baby Lovers? Yeah.
35:03: And because we do at Apology Church, we love children. We love babies. You come to our church, you see everyone's got kids running around everywhere.
35:09: You trip over kids. Yeah. No matter where you go. I think my wife was estimating we have like 20 some odd babies being born on the way.
35:17: So by the time 2020 rolls around, we're going to have like 22 new babies, newborns.
35:25: Yeah. Wow. We take seriously what God says. As people say, you know, in the way churches work, if your church isn't crying, it's dying.
35:33: That's right. Yeah. So we take that seriously. You know, the Lord, you ever heard that?
35:38: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So children are a blessing. Fruit of the womb is a heritage.
35:44: The Lord requires a godly seed. Baby Lover. Bam. There it is. We're going to actually have those shirts up at our shop soon.
35:54: They're coming soon. So it'll be shop .apologyastudios .com. So here's what I'm going to do. I just decided this.
36:00: I didn't ask you. If you're on the app, this is incentive to get the app. We will send you a special coupon code that you get only for the app when the shirts come up.
36:11: So yeah, that's fire. Yeah. And these shirts are really nice. Really comfy. Yeah. Just as a bonus.
36:18: Get the app. All right, guys. So if you guys are just getting on here, what we're talking about is end abortion. Now, God doing big things, saving thousands of children.
36:27: Now Christians going across the country. Now speaking to the local legislature that all started because of your work together with us within abortion.
36:33: Now it's amazing. It's humbling. It's powerful. God's doing amazing things. Conversations across the country now is talking about abortion in terms of murder and in terms of bans and criminalization.
36:44: That is a work of the Christian church across the United States of America. That's what God is doing with a faithful proclamation of the gospel.
36:50: We have new media training coming up for everybody who's a part of endabortionnow .com. You get free training, free resources.
36:56: Everything's given away to local churches to get involved in this work. But now I've actually just completed video series stuff for you guys to actually learn how to create your own media platforms to start communicating as churches in the same way that we are.
37:09: And so that's all that's all there for endabortionnow .com. It's all coming and becoming next couple of weeks. Even Carmen, our director and as the head of everything in the back, he is putting something together for all of you guys to learn how to use the camera equipment and the editing software, how to edit things, how to upload things, all that stuff.
37:27: We're going to train you guys in everything you need. But now we have this next phase. We need to be able to all talk to each other.
37:33: And so that's what this app is for. The coalition is for that. So you guys can get to know each other. You can talk to each other.
37:38: And Zach is exactly right. The big part of this is that when something big happens that we all need to be a part of together, we need to work together on.
37:47: Communication happens on that app and the coalition gets started. You all work together. That's what it's for. So praise
37:52: God for everybody who's a part of endabortionnow right now. This is a big deal. It really truly is.
37:58: If you're a part of endabortionnow .com and you know other churches that also are, please share this video with them.
38:05: Please get the word out to them. We're sending our emails. We're doing everything we can. But some people maybe aren't media savvy.
38:11: They don't spend a lot of time on these platforms. Maybe make sure they get the word to make sure they know they can get a part. Be a part of the coalition.
38:18: They can start communicating and talking to each other. This is also an easy way for us to talk to you guys all at once.
38:24: And so if you are not part of the churches that are already linked up with endabortionnow .com, you are still invited to be part of the coalition and start talking.
38:32: But if you are in particular a part of the churches that are already a part of endabortionnow, what's that look like for them?
38:39: It's just, it's the same location. It just in the coalition. There's another tab that you go to and it just says church partners.
38:46: Boom, you jump in there and you can talk to each other. You can make posts in there. It's just like Facebook. I mean, what's on your mind or what's going on?
38:52: Post, title. You can attach pictures in there, links, video, maybe a footage at the mill or footage before city council.
39:01: We're always needing things like that to show people. So share that stuff, man. I mean, put it in there and we'll get it and put it up for the world to see.
39:09: Because that's the amazing thing about this too is God's using this kind of activity from churches in the platform to bring other local churches into this.
39:17: Yeah. That's I think a key thing is that when this all started, churches started getting involved and actually doing what we were doing because they were hearing us tell our story.
39:26: So we were on Apology Air Radio. We would just say, hey, God saved a baby this Saturday. And then next thing you know, churches are like, well, how do we do it?
39:33: And so that's how it all began. It really started because one church was a testimony to other churches and then they started going.
39:38: And then same thing happened for the legislature. We went. Next thing you know, other people went and then more people went and then more people went.
39:46: And then it was like little kids going up and speaking to their magistrates. What kind of courage is that? Starting riots?
39:53: Yeah, little kids preaching the gospel and like, you know, riot breaking out. I mean, that's awesome. That's first century acts kind of stuff, y 'all.
39:59: And I like it. Yeah. We couldn't even get that. Yeah, yeah. That kind of reaction.
40:05: Yeah, that kind of reaction. That's powerful stuff. All right, guys. So address one more time, wherever we can go. dashboard .endabortionnow
40:12: .com Okay, simple enough. And if you're not a part of endabortionnow .com right now, if you haven't gotten your free training and free resources, go talk to your pastors, get them connected.
40:25: endabortionnow .com, get signed up with your local church. We're going to give you free training, free resources. We don't want anything from your church.
40:31: We just want to bless your church. We want to help your church do this work. That's what it's all about. And so if you would get connected, endabortionnow .com.
40:39: Thank you guys for watching. You guys spread this message as far and as wide as you can.
40:45: Shares do make a difference. They do. This isn't about us. It's not about us in any way.
40:51: The message here is what's important. And these shares make a big deal. They change things.
40:57: And so when you share this information, get the word out, it mobilizes the church and it gets us on our feet.
41:03: So share this content. Make sure you guys get it out as soon as you can. All right. That's Luke DeBear. Peace out. I'm Jeff. And that's
41:09: Zach. See ya. We'll catch you guys next time. Once and for all, end abortion.
41:41: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
41:50: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
42:03: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
42:10: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
42:20: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
42:43: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
42:54: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
43:02: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
43:08: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
43:29: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
43:36: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
43:49: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
44:07: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
44:29: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
44:40: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
44:49: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
44:58: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
45:05: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
45:21: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
45:35: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.
45:44: We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.
45:54: Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year we pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
46:32: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
46:38: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
46:57: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all of this possible.
47:05: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
47:15: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
47:33: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
47:39: Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
48:08: Honorable Council Members, my name is Lauren Walker. I'm 11 years old and a member of Apologia Church. I want to sincerely thank you for the time you have given me to speak today.
48:17: I would like to begin by reminding you that there once was a time in American history when it was legal to own slaves and racism was commonplace.
48:24: Today we look back on that point in history and think, how could those people have treated other human beings who simply had a different color of skin with such abuse?
48:34: There was also a time in American history when parents slaughtered their own children and government did nothing about it.
48:41: That time is now. People are slaughtering their own precious babies and this council is doing absolutely nothing to stop it.
48:47: There will be a time in human history when people are going to look at this moment with disgust and shame, just as we look back in repulsion on slavery and racism today.
48:58: In fact, John Piper reveals that between 1882 and 1968, 3 ,446
49:05: Black people were lynched in America. Today, more Black babies are killed by abortionists every three days than all who were lynched in those years.
49:15: And government is letting it happen. You should be concerned about the legacy you are leaving, but you should be even more concerned about how
49:22: God is going to judge you on Judgment Day. He will judge you by his holy law, the Ten Commandments, the sixth one, which clearly states you shall not murder.
49:32: Pastor and author David Platt warned us to quote, remember God's character. He is the holy and righteous judge of all and he hates injustice.
49:40: He detests the taking of innocent life and he is the judge of all who participate in it. God is the judge of mothers who have aborted babies, fathers who have encouraged abortion, grandparents who have supported abortion, and friends who have advised abortion.
49:54: God is the judge of doctors who have performed abortions, leaders who have permitted abortions, pastors who have counseled people to have abortions, and legislators who have worked to make abortion possible.
50:07: That includes each and every one of you. You will be judged for your inaction on that day because doing nothing is actually doing something.
50:16: So I urge you to stand against abortion. Fight against it. Do whatever is needed to ensure that Arizona State Law 13 -3603 is enforced.
50:27: Make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn in order to follow the will of God. Consider the words of missionary
50:33: C .T. Testa. Too long have we been waiting for one hour to begin. The time for waiting is past.
50:39: The hour of God has struck. War is declared. In God's holy name, let us rise and build.
50:44: The God of heaven, he will fight for us as we for him. And gates and manias of hell shall not prevail against us.
50:52: So such men as we fear? I would like to ask you, council members, with this question.
50:59: Who do you fear? Man or God? God's word tells us in Luke 12 verse 5, but I will show you whom you should fear.
51:07: Fear him, who after your body has been killed has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
51:15: Thank you. My name is
51:26: Jennifer Mingus, and I am a sinner saved by grace. I'm a mother of 12, including five very real babies who died before they were born.
51:35: I come before you to talk about one of the most important issues in our country right now. The issue today isn't that there are unwanted pregnancies enslaving women.
51:44: The real tragedy is that children are seen as a burden and not a blessing. Teens and young adults are being taught that having a child will destroy their lives.
51:53: Yet God, the giver of all life, always calls children a blessing. They are his image bearers.
52:00: We, as older men and women, should be coming alongside young parents and sharing our wisdom and experience and even our resources with them, encouraging them and equipping them to step into the role that God has appointed them to so they can flourish, not paving the way for them to murder their own flesh and blood because their lives are about to change.
52:19: As our God -appointed magistrates, you are to stand for justice and protect the innocent, but you do not.
52:26: Every day, thousands of babies are murdered across our country, and Phoenix is no different. In reference to minimum wage, you said you wanted
52:33: Phoenix to be an example, and that is a good thing, but upholding Arizona Statute 13 -3603, defying
52:42: Roe v. Wade, and declaring Phoenix to be a sanctuary city for the pre -born would be an even greater example.
52:49: Maybe you are afraid of the consequences of making the right decision today. Maybe it will cost you everything.
52:55: I implore you, do it anyway. It's always best to follow and obey the
53:00: Lord. Matthew 10 -28 admonishes us, Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul, but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
53:12: I fear for you on that day that God judges your souls. When Cain killed Abel, God said in Genesis 4 -10,
53:19: What have you done? The blood of your brother cries out to me from the ground.
53:25: Can you imagine the din from the voices of the blood of 42 million aborted babies crying out against you?
53:33: I'm sure that you've heard the roar of a football stadium. Now imagine that 600 times louder.
53:40: It will be deafening, and without the blood of Christ atoning for your sinful complicity in the abortion of these babies, you will be defenseless.
53:50: This is the tale of two bloodshed. One will save you on the last day, and one will condemn you.
53:57: No good works you do will offset the weight of the sin you bear. But as powerful as the cries of these murdered babies are against you,
54:04: Jesus is infinitely more able to wash you clean of the children's blood you have bathed in and declare you forgiven before God.
54:12: Repent and believe this day that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again for the forgiveness of sins.
54:18: Thank you. Hello again, honorable representatives of Arizona.
54:31: I come back today to remind you of your duty to uphold justice for the unborn citizens of our state. I appear before you not as a neutral party to this issue, but as a
54:39: Christian standing on the principles of scripture, which I admit may seem foreign to you. We've all been told that to engage in such behavior is to violate a supposed separation of church and state, a phrase that has been twisted and weaponized by the enemies of my
54:52: Lord to get Christians like me to check their ultimate commitments at the door and enter the public square stripped of their foundation to condemn a moral atrocity like abortion.
55:01: But I will not relinquish my religious foundation in fighting for the lives of these children anymore than pro -choice advocates will relinquish their religious commitment to the position that human beings in the womb aren't worthy of our protection because they haven't earned their personhood yet.
55:14: I am more concerned with being faithful to my Lord than looking respectable or reasonable in your sight. What's unreasonable is for mothers in our state to think so little of their children is to treat them like disposable waste for their own sakes.
55:27: It is not respectable to pay someone to assassinate your own offspring by having their little bodies sucked out of your body and then discarded under the label of unwanted parasite.
55:37: It is unconscionable to carve up a child and call this act choice, healthcare, or reproductive freedom which is a euphemism for child murdering rights due to the fact that if a woman is pregnant she has already exercised her right to reproduce.
55:51: This term becomes the thin veneer of pseudo -justice that exclaims it's a righteous thing for them to desire the death of their own children for their sake and the obligation of others like us to ensure that they have the provision to carry it out.
56:04: Such thinking is the basis of violent injustice with the primary victim being the unborn child in the womb who is made in the image of God.
56:12: Respectfully and lovingly to you, leaders of our city, you are required to act and ensure true justice for the true victims of this crime that is the fatherless children being abandoned by their parents in our state.
56:23: Even if you're sitting here today and you agree with what I'm saying, merely acknowledging the truth that this is murder is not enough.
56:31: You must act to end it completely, not play a political football with the lives of the pre -born neighbors you are commanded to love and defend.
56:39: This council is to be governed by Arizona revised statutes and setting city policy and passing rules and regulations.
56:45: Therefore, I am pleading with you to pass no new law but to recognize and enforce existing
56:51: Arizona state law, revised statute 13 -3603. If you do not, the only ones that suffer as a result will be babies in our state that are systematically and brutally murdered under your watch.
57:05: Thank you so much again for your time. Go to unabortionnow .com for more details. Across the country, women and men speaking out for and against abortion bans.
57:19: Even here in Arizona where there is already a law on the books, so where does our state stand on the issue?
57:26: Your unaborted baby. My unaborted baby. Wants to. No, my child that I didn't kill. How does it feel to have something in common with the
57:37: Taliban? They agree with you, they agree with you. They have adopted or if they fostered because a lot of people can't and I can respect that, okay.
57:45: It's a very long and it's a very screwed up process and that is part of also part of what's wrong with America. Yes. Okay, do you ever give money or volunteer your time to any of those organizations to help the thousands upon thousands upon thousands of children that are unwanted?
58:01: Can I answer that? Yeah, we work with Christian Family Care Agency. We've given lots of money. We've actually helped to support women who have these children, families.
58:10: We have multiple families in our church that we've helped through the adoption process. We've actually taken those classes.
58:16: We've encouraged and put people into those classes. We've actually held classes and seminars at our church for adoption and we have adopted children running around our church.
58:26: Okay, any that are not denominational because, and I say this with all due respect.
58:31: So now the standard is denomination? Okay. But my question, I do say this with all due respect, a lot of times these children who are waiting on foster care, who are waiting on adoptive care, are not coming through any kind of Christian or faith -based organization.
58:49: True. Okay? Okay. So, but I'm failing to see here when I answered the objection and there's no response,
58:56: I'm getting to it. If you could allow a long enough answer, I'm going to get to it. So when
59:02: I give you the foundation that yes, we have in fact adopted children, we do classes on adopting children, we feed adoption children, all those things.
59:12: When I answer that and you don't respond to that, you say yes, but not just Christian. What I want to say is that where does this get us to in the abortion discussion?
59:21: Because it seems like what's being argued here is there are a lot of kids who are struggling and in poverty and therefore we should kill them.
59:29: I'm talking to her. I'm talking to her, ma 'am. I'll get to you next. Go ahead. Please don't interrupt her. We can get to your question.
59:35: Okay. So I totally understand that. And my position actually, with all due respect to everyone around in the circle, is not that it has that abortion rights or women's rights have nothing to do with just killing babies.
59:52: Okay? And everything to do... I mean this with all respect. Can you explain what you mean? I don't really think I know what you mean. Actually.
59:58: Okay. And it has everything to do with control.
01:00:06: Okay. Can you explain what that has to do with what I just said to you? Sure. I can. Okay.
01:00:12: It's about control. I said we should kill the poor kids. No. They're in orphanages.
01:00:17: That's not what I said. They should die early on. Wow. You're totally putting words in my mouth. No. Your arguments here were that because there's an orphanage system and a foster care problem, because kids struggle as they're growing up, they should just be able to be killed when they're in the womb.
01:00:31: No. Wow. So what I said, or what I asked actually, was are there answers from your perspective that are not
01:00:42: Christian or faith -based, okay, in helping unwanted children?
01:00:49: Well, we're... Okay. I'm going to answer that question. And that's from this perspective, is that it's impossible to be neutral.
01:00:56: You're not neutral, and I'm not neutral. We all have a worldview. And what I would argue is that without the word of God and a biblical word...
01:01:03: I'm answering the question. I am. I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer, ma 'am.
01:01:10: If you could let me show her enough respect. So I want to respect what you asked me.
01:01:16: I apologize for her behavior. So everybody has a worldview. Everybody has a worldview.
01:01:23: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I apologize again. So everybody has a worldview, right?
01:01:30: So you have a worldview, and I have a worldview. And I would argue that apart from the biblical worldview, there is no human...
01:01:37: I'm sorry. There is no human value and dignity. So you said without using the
01:01:42: Bible. But if I don't use the Bible... Right. So if I don't use the word of God as a foundation, then you and I are just purposeless protoplasm bobbing around in a cosmos that didn't have us in mind.
01:01:56: If we... If our ancestors were fish, which I'm not sure what you... Do you accept that worldview? Are you an atheist, agnostic?
01:02:04: Okay. So if... I'll show you how it does matter. I'll show you how it matters. Okay. So it matters because we have to ask the question, what is this lovely person right here?
01:02:17: What is she? She's lovely. She's wonderful. She's beautiful. I'd say we all have a perspective that says that she's worthy of value, dignity, and respect.
01:02:27: But we have to have a basis to say that. Because watch this. We have to be able to say this.
01:02:33: This is a random result of evolutionary processes according to our dominant secular worldview, right?
01:02:40: The universe didn't have us in mind or her in mind. According to the predominant worldview today, she's a cosmic accident and so is this.
01:02:49: My worldview says, no, she's unique and in the image of God and deserves value, dignity, love, and respect.
01:02:56: My question is, if you abandon the biblical worldview, what basis do you have to call anything lovely or worthy of respect?
01:03:05: All right. So in that same vein, if you believe that we are all worthy of dignity and respect, do you believe that a child of rape is an act of God?
01:03:20: So you didn't answer the challenge I gave to you, but I'm happy to answer all that you asked me.
01:03:27: So you didn't answer how we can see other humans as valuable, but I'll answer the question about rape. Can you give me a yes or no answer?
01:03:33: Sure. I'd love to give you the answer to the issue of rape. I believe that the human being in the womb is always worthy of our value, love, and respect and protection.
01:03:43: And I do believe that the rapist deserves the death penalty, but not the child.
01:03:50: So that's... I didn't suggest murder. No, I didn't suggest murder.
01:03:57: There's a difference between... Here's the difference. A human being that goes so far as to do such a wicked and evil thing to a woman has determined to commit a crime that is worthy of death.
01:04:11: I'm not suggesting that we do vigilante justice and go kill that person.
01:04:16: I'm saying there should be a trial, criminal proceedings, and any man who would actually do such a wicked thing to a woman deserves to die.
01:04:23: Your position, your position is that the child deserves the death penalty. So do you believe in absolute good and absolute evil?
01:04:32: I believe that God's character is the absolute standard of good, yes. And can there be good without evil?
01:04:41: And evil without good? I believe that God's character is the standard of good.
01:04:47: And I believe that anything that is against the character of God is evil. And I don't mean this to make you feel bad or to try to win debate points, but I mean, genuinely,
01:04:59: I want to ask you this question. When I said that the man who rapes a woman deserves the death penalty, everybody went up in arms.
01:05:05: How could you believe such a thing? But you all believe the child deserves it. Okay, but you are also inflicting your opinion on the person being raped.
01:05:17: Do you understand that? Can you explain what you mean? I'm saying that the man deserves the death penalty. So I want to tell you a story.
01:05:23: I worked in a domestic violence shelter for years. I held the hand of a 12 -year -old little girl raped by her stepfather, who looked me in the eyes with tears and said to me,
01:05:40: I don't want this thing in my body. What do you say to that girl?
01:05:48: I would want to come alongside that girl, love her, care for her, support her, and work towards justice.
01:05:57: Well, I'm answering. I would want the man who did that to receive the death penalty, but I don't believe that we should give the death penalty to the child.
01:06:05: You still haven't answered that. You believe that the man should not get the death penalty, but the child should.
01:06:12: Okay, but I don't believe you're... What you're doing is cutting out and totally neglecting the girl in the middle.
01:06:18: No, I'm not. I actually just denied that. I said we should come alongside her, come alongside her, support her, love her.
01:06:25: You don't have a choice about what happened to her. Well, what we shouldn't say is that we should kill the children of criminals.
01:06:34: The child... What has the child done in the womb? Okay, but the child is the 12 -year -old child first.
01:06:40: This is a fallen world. Evil and wicked things happen in this fallen world, which is why you hate it so much, this evil thing that happened.
01:06:48: But we don't solve the problem of evil and injustice by perpetrating more injustice upon other children. And yet, it's okay to perpetrate, to kill her rapists.
01:07:00: There's a baby here. There's a baby here. Respect the bubble. Leave your baby at home.
01:07:07: If you're so concerned about your child, leave your baby at home. No, I have the right to be out here. She has nothing to do with it.
01:07:12: She has nothing to do with it. So you care about babies? She wasn't talking to you. You care about babies? Oh, sorry if I said something about it.
01:07:18: Black babies are aborted. Do you understand how many African - Do you know how many white babies are aborted? Do you know how many Asian babies are aborted? Who cares?
01:07:24: Well, it matters. Do you know that... Let me ask you a question. Who knows about Margaret Sanger? Who knows about Margaret Sanger?
01:07:31: Do you know about Margaret Sanger? Do you know that she was a very vocal racist and hated black people?
01:07:37: Do you know - Do you know that she believed that it would be good to actually wipe out the black population through abortion?
01:07:44: I don't want to hear her say that. I don't want to hear her say that. You're the one bringing up wiping out black people. Where are most
01:07:50: Planned Parenthood set up, predominantly? Where are they set up? You're going to make this a race issue now. That's the issue, is that this is a race issue.
01:07:56: This is a class issue. It is. This is a woman's right. This is a woman's right. The issue of abortion is certainly a race issue as well.
01:08:01: It's not a human - It is a human rights issue. It's also a choice issue. But it's also - It's a human rights issue. But I want to say for someone -
01:08:08: For someone that is a beautiful black woman like yourself, I have concern.
01:08:14: I have concern for you as an image bearer of God. I want to show you respect and love.
01:08:19: I want to show you love and respect and concern. And I want to say that someone who is a sister in humanity, your lack of concern for where this comes from, and there's the typical apologetic of Planned Parenthood supporters.
01:08:39: No argument. Just talking about their pussies. Okay. Can you explain how
01:08:48: I'm going in circles? I'm not talking into your - Get that out of my face.
01:08:53: So you can't engage in a rational dialogue. You can't answer my question. Okay, so what about the fertility clinics?
01:09:00: And it's all okay for embryos in fertility clinics to be destroyed.
01:09:07: Evil. Absolutely evil. Absolutely evil. And we're going to fight against that as well.
01:09:13: But why aren't you doing that now? Well, here's what we're doing. Why aren't you standing out in front of fertility clinics?
01:09:18: May I - Saying, well, wait, let me speak. You've been talking a long time. I'm saying, why don't you go out into fertility clinics and be protesting their destruction of embryos right there?
01:09:32: May I answer? My second point - Two questions. Yep. Is what are they going to do with all those embryos in fertility clinics?
01:09:42: If they are not destroyed, what's going to happen to them? Can I answer number one? Our fight here against this is fighting for protecting all humans from conception.
01:09:52: And you are human from conception. You're recognizing that right now by talking about the fertility clinics and the embryos.
01:09:59: So let me finish. I let you finish. Okay, let's be fair to each other. So can we be fair to each other?
01:10:06: I let you do two. Okay. Okay. So may I please? May I please? You gave me two.
01:10:13: Ma 'am, if you're not going to let me finish the conversation. Ma 'am, you didn't let me finish.
01:10:20: You didn't let me finish. Ma 'am, can I finish a thought? You had two points.
01:10:26: May I finish without interruption? Okay. So number one, when you bring up the moral problem of the fertility clinic by saying those are embryos that are fertilized, you're demonstrating that you recognize that they are human and it's a problem.
01:10:42: The next thing is, again, I'm addressing your argument. Feel free to respond after.
01:10:48: Feel free to respond after. Next, snowflake babies. There you go.
01:10:55: So this is what happened, boys. When you get into conversations with women like this and you engage their arguments, you'll see that they don't have a way to respond.
01:11:03: They always walk away. That's the critical thing to see. No. What's that?
01:11:11: Who's calling a name? They're called snowflake. No, no, no, no, no, ma 'am.
01:11:17: Hey. And there you go. You should, before you try to use something as an argument, you feel free to ask me.
01:11:26: Feel free to ask me. No, I say feel free to ask. Thank you. So it's actually a very amazing thing where these fertilized eggs are then implanted into the uterus and women give birth to these babies.
01:11:39: There's actually a really incredible story, an incredible story that there's one human being who is actually 15 or 16 years on ice and is now running around because it's a snowflake baby put into the womb, given a chance to grow and to develop.
01:11:57: And so that's what we do with them. And Christians are doing it across the country. Well, I have people.
01:12:09: Yeah, I have people actually in our. I'm trying to answer. I'm trying to answer.
01:12:14: We have people, we have people who are within our church that were ectopic pregnancies. But that's not your, that's anecdotal evidence.
01:12:23: People at your church. You asked me what to do about it. I'm asking you, why is that not okay?
01:12:30: If a child is going to kill the mother and itself, you cannot terminate the pregnancy, an ectopic pregnancy.
01:12:38: People are talking about taking it out of the body and then re -implanting it in the womb.
01:12:44: May I answer? May I answer? Okay, just give me a few seconds to answer. Are you aware of the statistics on abortion that less than 2 % are for life incest?
01:12:55: Or rape? Less than 2%. Less than 2%.
01:13:02: They're records. You can, you can see this. And there you go. And that's typically what happens.
01:13:08: Yeah. Abortion is still legal in all 50 states. Actually, it's illegal in Arizona.
01:13:13: AZ statute 13 -3603. Roe v. Wade federal law trumps all of that. No, ma 'am, that's not how it works.
01:13:20: Supreme Court does not create law. What's our constitution say about creation of law? If you want to, um, um, um, um, if you, if you like, can
01:13:27: I get back? You seem really friendly. I'm so sorry. It's okay. It's okay.
01:13:32: Um, yeah, no, no, like you can challenge it. You can challenge it. Can I ask you a question? Our constitution, what does it say about law?
01:13:39: Who creates law? Can you just please answer? You can't. You can't answer. The Supreme Court does not create law according to our constitution.
01:13:48: Congress makes law. Okay. So the Supreme Court was an opinion, not a law. No, the Supreme Court, that's federal statute.
01:13:56: There's been no federal statute. There's been no federal statute. Ma 'am, you need to educate yourself on the law.
01:14:03: God bless you. All right. Thank you, officers. Appreciate your protection. How do you describe abortion?
01:14:11: Well, in the United States right now, since Roe versus Wade, we've had about 60 million children die via abortion, the abortion industry.
01:14:24: One of the organizations, Planned Parenthood, kills about 1 ,000 children every single day in our country.
01:14:30: There's about 3 ,000 children who die every single day in our communities across the
01:14:38: United States. And they're killed through abortion. There's a number of different ways that you can take the life of your child in our country through abortion.
01:14:49: You can kill your child via a pill. They have medical means of abortion through a pill that you take into your body, and it ultimately kills your child through a medication.
01:15:04: There's also means of abortion that are most common in terms of the surgical abortion, where the doctor goes into the woman and essentially pulls the little boy or little girl apart limb from limb.
01:15:21: So sharp instruments and tools are forced into the woman to tear the child into pieces, literally into pieces.
01:15:51: I'm mad at the world, but I'm feeling like a hypocrite. In my past, I was militant.
01:15:57: Apart from God, I'd kill my kid. But living in this world, a righteous God rightly judging us.
01:16:02: Suppressed and rejected in a self -inflicted genocide. I search inside the scriptures for the answers to the reason why.
01:16:09: The wickedness within our heart, the root of where the sin lies. Die to self, lose your life, follow
01:16:14: Christ as sacrifice. Short -term pain, eternal gain, count the cost, He paid the price. He did it all.
01:16:21: What can a dead man do to hear the call? Abort his mission, keep on wishing. Fisherman, a man is
01:16:26: God. Our nation is killing children every single day.
01:16:33: Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change.
01:16:40: Oh Lord, we need you now. Please hear us crying out.
01:16:47: So many babies being murdered that we're losing count.
01:16:53: Sixty million murdered in our country, that's a scary count. Wombs become a death camp, trash can a burial.
01:17:00: American Holocaust, more than all the soldiers lost in every single war. It's an era marked in gore.
01:17:07: The innocent defenseless, babies being torn limb from limb. And you're angry by the gospel call.
01:17:14: We aren't loving, well you never even went at all. What is love? The God above gave his life to rescue us.
01:17:21: Now we must surrender trust, speak in truth, and act in love. Silence is a sign that we fear a man instead of God.
01:17:28: Oddly enough, we keep adding on commandments. Thou shalt be kind, tolerant, and not offensive.
01:17:35: In other words, defenseless. Just smile wide and wish them well, say God bless them. So they'll think as well as they head to hell.
01:17:42: Fell into deception early on in my Christian walk. Perception of evangelism was live it out and never talk.
01:17:49: Our nation is killing children every single day.
01:17:56: Our hearts are wicked, deceiving, and need to change.
01:18:03: Oh Lord we need you now, please hear us crying out.
01:18:10: So many babies being murdered that we're losing count.
01:18:16: I have one church, friends went to their church. We'd like to start going to the mill and the pastor said, well we're really excited about that, but we have one question.
01:18:23: Is it safe? And they came back and said, what do we tell them? I said, tell them no. Tell them it's not safe.
01:18:30: Tell them they may get spit at. Tell them they may get hit. Tell them they may get soaked with the sprinkler system.
01:18:37: Tell them they may get arrested even though they didn't break any laws. And tell them if they don't go, babies will die and souls will end up in hell.
01:18:47: That's far more dangerous. We need to stop being middle -class
01:18:52: American sissies. And we need to be willing to fight faithfully with the gospel to save souls and unborn babies.
01:19:03: We need to be willing to take risks. We need to be willing to look like not respectable members of society.
01:22:27: All right, guys. Welcome back to Next Week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin. They call me the Ninja. That's Luke the
01:22:32: Bear right there. What's up? What's up? Joy the Girl. Hello. And that is Zach Conover. He is the
01:22:37: Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. And he has, of course, the biggest cup of all of us. Yes, sir.
01:22:43: This is a pride issue for you. You came on the show. You decided you had to have a bigger cup. Is that where you store my hamburgers? My fries?
01:22:49: No, actually, this just does a good job of keeping me hydrated. That's all. Oh, right on. Nothing special. Okay. All right.
01:22:55: So, uh... It looks normal in my hands. A lot of stuff been happening lately. You recently got back from the island of Kauai doing a mission in Kauai.
01:23:02: How was that? Man, I mean, where do you even begin? Kauai is such a unique place.
01:23:10: Honestly, people just don't realize what it's like to try and engage people there, what the culture is like, how different it is, how difficult it is.
01:23:18: So, to be a part of the church plant there, to go there to preach, to offer support to the team, and then just to come into conflict with a high concentration of a lot of spiritual stuff going on in that region.
01:23:31: A lot of occultism. Occultism. You know, all the cults are just in a highly concentrated area, so it makes for interesting outreaches, a lot of conflict.
01:23:42: You feel like the scriptures really come to life in a lot of ways that you haven't experienced before.
01:23:47: So, that was encouraging after the initial shock of coming into contact with that, you know, dark things going on there.
01:23:55: But after you realize what's happening, go back to the word of God, find out that without conflict,
01:24:01: I mean, there's no growth, but there's a level of confirmation within your calling as a
01:24:08: Christian when you come up against that, and you meet that, and you're there with the word of God, and God supplies the power by His Spirit to work through you.
01:24:16: So, that's what I feel like He did in a big, big way for us. So, we're very excited about what God's doing. So, we lost you for about three weeks to send you on that mission to do work, and it's very, very hard to do that mission out there.
01:24:26: Very, very hard. It's exhausting, and so you're back now, but a lot's been happening since you've been away across the country with what we're doing with End Abortion Now.
01:24:34: The whole focus of next week with Jeff Durbin, this show is obviously to engage cultural issues, but the bottom line and foundation of this show and the purpose of it is to really engage the issue of abortion in a meaningful way and to bring all of you with us.
01:24:49: Right now, we have about over 300 churches. We have approximately 328 local churches.
01:24:54: 328 local churches. How many have we added since January? A lot, yes. We've had a ginormous push this year alone, and obviously, there's some things surrounding that.
01:25:05: Events, End Abortion Now, Babies Are Murdered Here, kind of getting into the mainstream conversation with things from friends that have just taken bold stands in getting it out there.
01:25:14: Now, we're seeing a lot, and it's from all over. It's not from any one area. I mean, all over the
01:25:19: United States, more churches from Australia. Awesome Praise God moment. While we're on Kauai, I got a word that End Abortion Now and the message made it to South Africa.
01:25:30: And so, South Africa, I mean, all these different places outside of just our sphere. Was there a save in South Africa?
01:25:35: Yes, there was two children saved as a result of that, and I have the same people emailing me today saying, hey, what kind of equipment do you use out there?
01:25:44: Can you help us with materials? What kind of microphone do you use? Do you guys use cameras? Send us that. We want to know.
01:25:50: Other people emailing us stuff about, hey, we want to begin the process of capturing the footage out there.
01:25:55: What material, what equipment do you use? And by the way, now that you're on that subject, I want everyone to know right now a very important thing.
01:26:01: We know that it has to be more than Apology of Church engaged in this cultural conversation with the gospel. It has to be the Church of Jesus Christ encompassing local churches across the world.
01:26:10: And so, what we felt led to do was to equip churches and get them ready for this fight to do what we're doing, both,
01:26:17: I'd say, at the abortion mill, in the cultural conversation at large, in the public square, online with media ministry developed by these churches themselves, and to engage at the legislature itself.
01:26:28: So one of the things that we promise for this year that is underway right now is that we are developing a curriculum that is going to be made available to all of our churches that are connected to us to actually help you to develop and create your own media ministry, just like Apology of Church.
01:26:43: This isn't about us. We are one spoke in the wheel, and we are trying to get more spokes involved and turn that wheel.
01:26:51: But it's interesting. So we're going to do that and make sure that's available to all the churches. So you go to endabortionnow .com, get connected with your church.
01:26:57: I wanted to say this quickly. We're not talking about 328 Christians across the country. We're talking about 328 local churches who are committed now to go and save lives and to follow under the banner of the gospel in conflict with abortion, the gospel, not pro -life narrative, not neutrality, but the
01:27:16: Christian message in conflict with abortion. That's what this is all about. But what is awesome too is it wasn't just South Africa.
01:27:22: We also got a message from Northern Ireland that people who are connected to end abortion now had to save in Northern Ireland.
01:27:29: No, Southern Ireland, Southern Ireland. And then I just got a message before the show started from a Christian in Australia who now his church is engaged in this.
01:27:37: And he messaged me and said, hey, can you do a quick video to talk to my church? I'm going to present it to my whole church on Sunday. So this is literally becoming a worldwide movement of the gospel in conflict with abortion.
01:27:46: So you can do that right now. That's what we're here to talk about today and some more stuff. Well, let's go ahead and do some other things, some current events stuff.
01:27:53: What's up? Well, this is directly related to abortion. So this is a story I just saw today.
01:28:00: So the Democratic -led states are going to sue
01:28:05: Donald Trump for blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. I don't know if you guys saw that. Washington, Oregon, Connecticut, New York, and California.
01:28:17: So, you know, whatever, they're ridiculous. You're going after their sacred right.
01:28:23: Yeah, exactly. But there was specifically one quote I wanted to share that was crazy to me.
01:28:30: So this was from Amanda Skinner, who's the president of Planned Parenthood of Southern New England.
01:28:37: It's quite the title. So she said, we have seen repeated efforts on the part of this administration to dismantle programs or put into place programs that harm people who are already the most marginalized in our society.
01:28:54: So, of course, after answering that question, she then returned to work dismantling and harming the most marginalized people in our society.
01:29:01: Yeah, right, right, right. So that's, I mean, that's what we're up against. I just, when I just saw that today, I was like, that's crazy.
01:29:07: So it's interesting. We're in the middle of a very, it's a hot moment, hotter than normal in terms of abortion in our country and like the conflict that is going on to save the pre -born.
01:29:21: With what happened in New York and Governor Cuomo saying, no, you can kill them all the way up to birth. Now, of course, we would say to those pro -lifers that are saying, oh my goodness, how dare you?
01:29:32: What are you thinking? We would say, well, what's the difference, friends, between the 40 and the 25 and the 20 and everything? We're talking about human beings here.
01:29:38: So why are you so up in arms? This is just consistency. We should already be horrified. We should already be horrified and be just as upset.
01:29:45: We should have been the whole time. But I'm grateful. But I'm grateful. That your eyes are now shocked. Yes. My hope is that God's using this next level of judgment to light a fire under the church and our culture to actually be outraged.
01:30:03: Because like you said, we as a whole haven't been that outraged. Well, it's really interesting too. People can say how horrible
01:30:12: New York is. And it is. It's evil. It's awful. How dare they do such a thing? And it exposes that this is what they were going for all along.
01:30:19: They were never neutral. This is what they wanted the whole time. But in terms of God and his providence, even in the midst of evil,
01:30:26: God causes all things to work together for good. And just in us and what's happening with us, when that all happened with Governor Cuomo and everything happening with John Speed closing his store in New York City and all the hubbub around that, going around the country and all the major talk shows talking about that, we saw a massive push at end abortion now of local churches signing up.
01:30:48: Over 50 probably signed up since New York or about 50? Yeah, I think within,
01:30:55: I mean, there was a time when I was just checking emails in Kauai, going through that. And I realized,
01:31:00: I said, I asked myself the question, well, how many churches have we had in the last week? And I just checked to see how many. It was about 15 within the span of one week.
01:31:07: And so just an unbelievable gravitational shift. And these are excited people.
01:31:13: These are local churches, pastors, if not pastors, those under the care of their shepherds, really desiring to have a gospel -centered answer to this great evil of our day.
01:31:24: So for us to be able to supply that to them is just humbling in so many ways that we have been used by God and his grace as a conduit now to plug in people to resources, training, gospel -centered mindset to do this.
01:31:40: You mentioned New York. You mentioned the horror of what the Democratic Party has done. And really, it reveals that this was their plan all along.
01:31:48: This was their mindset all along. But on the other side of the coin, it becomes incumbent upon us as Christians to maintain the level of consistency towards the other side of the aisle, the party that needs to be defined by the very values that they proclaim to have, which is the
01:32:04: Christian Conservative Party, the Republican Party, right? So while their proclamation may be
01:32:10: Christian Conservative with what they're saying, being consistent in pro -life action is another thing altogether.
01:32:20: And so that only happens if you have the biblical world at your feet informing your mindset of this because life beginning at conception, image of God, all that exists because of the
01:32:32: Christian worldview. And so it's up to us to be outraged completely at that astounding evil decree that you can kill a baby up to term, right?
01:32:42: That's astoundingly evil. But we have to be as hard, if not more hard, on the party that has been silent in the face of this injustice and has not acted consistently to bring it to an end.
01:32:57: So with that, talk about the issue of Oklahoma. I just got back from Oklahoma. There's a bill SB 13 in Oklahoma put in by Senator Joseph Silk.
01:33:06: It's an abolition bill. It's a bill to abolish, to end, to criminalize, once and for all, consistency, no abortion, period.
01:33:14: You cannot do it. That's the human being. That's the image of God. You cannot murder a human being. You cannot take the life unjustly of another human being.
01:33:21: So it's a consistent bill, SB 13. And the interesting thing is, is that in Oklahoma, it's a big time pro -life legislature and state, and the greatest enemy, the greatest enemy to SB 13 in Oklahoma right now is not the pro -choicers.
01:33:39: The greatest enemy to SB 13 in Oklahoma is Senator Smalley and men like him,
01:33:47: Tony Lounger, the vice president of National Right to Life, who are working against this bill that would criminalize abortion.
01:33:55: They're saying, no, you don't pass that. And they want to work towards more incremental legislation. And they want to say, let's try to get
01:34:01: Roe v. Wade to fall, which is a perverse way of looking at the law in the first place, not how our country works.
01:34:06: Our founding documents say that it's Congress that creates law, not the Supreme Court. And so what we've done is we've yielded to this really perverse view of law, perspective of law that isn't consistent with the constitution.
01:34:20: And that's what they're saying, is that we can't have SB 13 because the Supreme Court, we're fearful of these
01:34:25: Supreme Court judges. Yeah. And I hope people hear that and they're genuinely shocked that it's the pro -life party that's inhibiting this from going through.
01:34:35: I hope when people hear that, it genuinely shocks you because then we begin to wake up and see where the true compromise has been in this and what has kept abortion legal for the last 46 years.
01:34:49: Obviously, we know that those who hate God, love death are going to push their agenda.
01:34:55: We understand that. But to the side that is left with defending the pre -born and that ought to be doing something about it, to hear that they're actually standing against the very thing that would stop it in that state, that should jar us to the core and indicate in our minds that something's wrong.
01:35:11: Something's wrong about how we've approached this issue, how we fought it consistently as Christians, and what are we doing?
01:35:17: And we need to do something different fast. I was going to say that really, if you consider, so consider that the reason we're so horrified that a baby can be killed full term now is that in our minds always, we've had things like 16 weeks, heartbeat bill, this and this, blah, blah, blah.
01:35:42: So the point is, is babies have been dying the whole time. But the reason why it's shocking us now is because pro -lifers have been putting legislation in that actually protects the killing of babies up until a certain point.
01:36:00: It's just that now that legislation didn't work in New York. And so the only reason any part of you would think, well, maybe it's okay to kill a baby after they're this many weeks, is because someone came in and said, well, let's fight for this many weeks at least.
01:36:16: But the whole time, babies have been dying. So in a weird way, we're shocked because of the pro -life party.
01:36:27: And those kinds of things affirm the legitimacy of Roe when you define it like that, which is the problem altogether.
01:36:35: Because as you said, it's an immoral court opinion. It's not a law.
01:36:41: And so when you define this debate on the terms of the enemy, you're giving credence to the idea that a group of men or women, five men or women to be specific, can dictate what morality is and can redefine the very nature and fabric of what it means to be human.
01:37:01: And so - Yeah, we're not being ruled as communities or states or republic or even a constitution or being actually the ultimate voice of the
01:37:10: God of our system today is five men or women in the Supreme Court. That's now the ultimate voice of God.
01:37:16: It's an endless hamster wheel because who can get the most votes to get the most butts in the seats in order to dictate the consensus of the people?
01:37:25: That's an endless fight. I don't want to fight anymore. I don't want to be a part of it. Because it's not just the issue of abortion.
01:37:31: Right, it's everything. What did we just deal with a couple of years ago and now we're feeling all the effects of now?
01:37:38: We dealt with the Obergefell decision. Right, marriage, family. What happened there is another defining moment is that our country has now gone into the position where we say that the ultimate voice of the
01:37:50: God of our system is this Supreme Court, these black robes, these five judges, male or female.
01:37:57: That's the voice of the God of our system. It's not the people. It's not a republic. It's not a constitution anymore.
01:38:03: It's not even democracy. It's the voice of the God is the black robes at the
01:38:08: Supreme Court. And if we can finally come to terms with that and face that as a reality, that that's what we are now, is the voice of the
01:38:15: God of the system is the five black robes in Washington, D .C., then we can actually start to resist in a very consistent way.
01:38:23: And that starts with the kind of thing we're talking about when we talk about interposition. So like what we argue in terms of how we have to fight this is we have to fight as A, Christians.
01:38:32: Christians, Christians, Christians. Not neutral Christians from a Christian worldview saying things like sin, murder, repentance, telling the truth, right?
01:38:40: And then we say there has to be something called interposition, which is, by the way, what our country was supposed to be about.
01:38:46: Like we used to be called a republic. We were a republic and it wasn't a democracy.
01:38:54: It was a republic. There is a difference. And the reason we were a republic is it was the states that created the federal government.
01:39:01: It wasn't the federal government that made the states. They didn't by decree say, I now give you existence.
01:39:07: You are the state of Virginia. Like the states and the colonies, states, let's, this is our thing.
01:39:14: That's what they were saying. Like, let's all, this will be our thing. And we'll have this way that we can all manage this thing with this federal government.
01:39:20: But they never were saying, and now we bow to you. They were always, always in a place where they would say, we will interpose between you, if you get beastly and our people, we will always interpose whether it was like, say, for example, the
01:39:37: Fugitive Slave Act, when you had fugitive slaves, fantastic talk with Marcus Pittman and before the city council.
01:39:45: And that's one of the most important elements to bring up in this is when you talk about things like that. And there's more than just that, but something like the
01:39:51: Fugitive Slave Act is a fantastic example that our culture has to resonate, has to resonate with us.
01:39:56: When you talk about slaves escaping and a federal court saying, no, you have to give them back.
01:40:04: And then a state saying, how about hashtag hell no. Right, like that, like that kind of interposition is there's no way that's going to happen.
01:40:15: Why? Because what you just told me to do was unjust, wicked, and sinful.
01:40:21: And so no, and we all look at that today and we go, look at that state being so just and so amazing.
01:40:28: Put you right on. You had somebody that was in the right state of mind. And then today, the only way that states are willing to do that kind of thing is when you have states going, well, they should be able to smoke up, right?
01:40:40: I mean, we should let them smoke up. And so we go, well, we'll definitely let you guys smoke up and we won't listen to what they say about smoking up.
01:40:48: Or like New York where they said, well, we're going to kill babies up to full term. Right, right. Same thing.
01:40:53: But I was going to say, in regards to that talk Marcus gave, I don't know if he told you this. Someone else that was with him was,
01:41:01: I think you were there, he was talking to one of the councilmen or whatever. And I think the guy said that his job is to protect or to represent everyone equally.
01:41:14: Yeah. And the guy was like, no, no, no, that's not it at all. Your job is to represent the majority.
01:41:20: But that's where it gets into this whole discussion of social justice and everything we've been talking about.
01:41:27: You're not representing equally. You're representing the majority. And even anymore, it's more like they're representing the minority who's got the loudest voice.
01:41:39: Right. Right. And I love what they were demanding in that meeting. That Batavia become a sanctuary city for the pre -born, just like the
01:41:47: Fugitive Slave Act. This is a safe place where you can come, have refuge, and we're not going to follow the federal court into their rebellion against God.
01:41:57: We're not going to follow them into disobedience to our rule of law. So why can't we adopt that same principle for the pre -born?
01:42:03: I thought it was a brilliant point to make. And this has really become part and parcel to the message of End Abortion Now this year is engaging the legislature, which is why we're going.
01:42:13: Why? Because here's the thing. You might have a lot of people saying, man, across the country now, End Abortion Now, Apology of Church started going to the legislature and we were filming it and then putting the word out and it started to inspire other
01:42:27: Christians to go. And you're starting to see people now going to their legislature and saying things like, repent, uphold justice, image of God, sin,
01:42:35: Jesus died for sinners and rose again for the dead, believe in Jesus, turn away from this wicked sin. You have people walk up to the legislature, preach the gospel and say, and stop murdering babies, do your duty as magistrates and uphold it and uphold it because they're the image of God.
01:42:50: And you're having Christians across the country now all over, I'm seeing videos like on a daily basis now, some new
01:42:56: Christian that went before the legislature to do that. So I would ask you, Zach, why are we doing that? Why are we taking the message of the
01:43:02: Christian gospel and the biblical worldview to the legislature? Isn't that supposed to be stuff that's for heaven one day?
01:43:09: Like, why are we doing that here? What's going on? And I said that in one of my city council talks, when I said, I realize honorable representatives that it might seem strange to you to see a
01:43:17: Christian standing on his principles in this kind of format. I admit it might seem foreign to you because we've all been told that there's a supposed separation of church and state that we all have to abide by.
01:43:28: And what I have to say makes no nevermind if I come here quoting scripture to you. That was one of the things I brought up in my talk.
01:43:34: But the reason we do what we do, first and foremost, is government, every realm of authority for that matter, must obey
01:43:43: Christ, must submit to his sovereign lordship. Says who? The word of God itself.
01:43:50: Where? Psalm 2 is a great example. I mean, if we could just camp out on that one verse right there.
01:43:55: Yes. But I mean, revelation, Jesus is the ruler of the kings on earth. So he has all authority over them.
01:44:01: They must obey him. But Psalm chapter 2 is obviously the premier text that we would go to to say, you know, why do the nations rage in the people's plot and vain?
01:44:08: The kings of the earth and the rulers set themselves against the Lord and against his anointed, saying, let us burst their bonds and cast away their cords from us.
01:44:16: That's what's happening right now in our nation. We have a squad of leaders who think that they are above the very word and law of God to determine in their own eyes what is right and what is wrong.
01:44:28: And the message of Psalm chapter 2 is God has installed his king on Zion, on his holy hill.
01:44:34: And he has given that son the obedience of the nations. All the nations have to obey Jesus.
01:44:40: And then there's a warning at the end of that that says, now kings be wise, kiss the son, pay allegiance to him, pay homage to him.
01:44:47: Well, why would they do that? He's their boss. He gets to tell them what to do with their authority because the authority that they have is derivative of him.
01:44:55: It is not exercised independently of his rulership, his lordship. He gives it to them.
01:45:02: And they are ruling in the place of him, which means if they rule in a contradictory fashion to the way that he is prescribed, they're in sin.
01:45:10: And if they're in sin, it's our job as the prophetic voice and witness to call them to repent and to obey and to establish justice for these image bearers of God.
01:45:19: But Romans 13 says, submit to your authority. Right. Romans 13 says to submit to your authorities.
01:45:25: And we do. And you can see that, obviously, in the talks that we give. We come very humbly. We come very respectfully of their authority.
01:45:31: We say, honorable representatives, we honor your position. We believe it's ordained by God. But again, it's not my responsibility if you are enacting decrees that are in opposition or at variance with the law of God to follow you into that rebellion.
01:45:43: And so it calls them deacons. That's right. So the magistrates are to exercise the authority of God.
01:45:51: That's what the office of king and governance in the nation of Israel, for example, was about.
01:45:56: Those people that were put in positions of authority by God were exercising the authority and office of God.
01:46:03: They were representing him. And in any way, when they acted in a way that was contrary to that, they were called by the prophets to come back to the rule of law, which was the law word of God.
01:46:14: And so in Romans 13, same example, they are God's deacon. They are his servants.
01:46:20: They're his deacon. Not any other God's servant. They're not the servants of Demas.
01:46:29: They're the servants of Jesus Christ. He is kurios.
01:46:34: He is Lord. And so they must obey him. And so that's why we go and we tell them. And so it's really at bottom an issue of Christ's authority.
01:46:42: Does he have all authority even over the legislature? And if our nation believes that it's appropriate to kill your children, if our nation believes that it's appropriate to look at a man and say she, or to look at a woman and say he, if our nation gets to the point where we say mommy and mommy is a couple, and that's fine, and that's a marriage, or daddy and daddy is a couple, and that's fine, or mommy and daddy and mommy and mommy and mommy, that's fine.
01:47:11: That's just as valid. And what is at issue here is not just a conflict between democratic ideals and republican ideals and liberalism versus conservatism.
01:47:23: What we're talking about is a problem of sin and fallenness that has infected the culture and there's darkness around.
01:47:30: And Jesus only gives that duty in terms of actual preservation and dispelling darkness to one institution in the entire
01:47:39: Bible. And he doesn't give it to the magistrate. He gives it to the church to be the salt, which is the preservative agent to stop things from decay.
01:47:49: And he gives the church the duty to be the light to the culture. It's like you don't have to go far into your
01:47:58: Bible to figure this stuff out. You don't have to be like a biblical scholar. Like if you just want to read the New Testament, you get five chapters into the book of Matthew and you're going to see
01:48:08: Jesus in the most famous sermon in the history of the world saying what I just said, that we're the salt and we're the light.
01:48:15: And he talks to his people about God's law and he says, if you teach people to minimize even the least of these commandments, you're going to be called least in the kingdom of heaven.
01:48:24: But whoever does them and teaches them is going to be called great. So that's what we're supposed to be about in our culture.
01:48:31: What do you think it is? Honestly, I know we say sin. It's sin, it's sin, it's sin. What do you think it is that's keeping the evangelical church at large from actually engaging this issue in a meaningful way?
01:48:44: What do you think it is? We can't just say generally it's sin. We're all just sinners. What is it? Is it cowardice?
01:48:50: Is it fear? Is it just idolatry? Is it selfishness? Is it pride?
01:48:57: What do you think is the great resistor right now that we have to confront in ourselves as the church?
01:49:02: I think it's bad eschatology. Okay, what do you mean by that? We talk about this a lot. Instead of thinking long -term and being hopeful and optimistic about the future and about Christ's kingdom here on earth, the church, since the early 1900s, maybe even back in the mid -1800s, has been preoccupied with the rapture.
01:49:25: And so instead of engaging the culture, we've retreated within the four walls of the church and taken the gospel with us.
01:49:35: We've sat around and waited for the rapture and let the culture go to hell because we haven't cared.
01:49:42: No, that doesn't mean that the Christians in the church haven't been concerned about people coming to Christ. But it's still a different perspective when you're thinking long -term and you're being proactive instead of retreating and being overly pietistic and hiding in our little bunkers.
01:49:59: You're really onto something there. I think, amen to that, bad eschatology, bad view of the future. But that stems from a bad view of the kingdom first.
01:50:07: I think it's an aspect of a truncation of the gospel, seeing it reduced to merely a message that gets people into heaven one day.
01:50:16: And it's about being justified by faith, which is at the core of the gospel. But if you don't have the reign of Christ, if you don't have what it means to be an image -bearer of God at the bottom of all that, what does
01:50:27: Christ save us from? He saves us from our sin, but what does he restore us to? We're redeemed to something.
01:50:33: We're redeemed to hold a particular office, and that office is being his image -bearer in the world, which means to obey him and to promote what he promotes, to be his echo in the world, to be his ambassador in the world.
01:50:46: And Jesus, you see this in his ministry, he was absolutely consumed for doing the will of the Father. Why? Because he's the perfect image of God.
01:50:53: And so that is the office that he maintains, and that's the example that he leaves on the earth to give us.
01:51:01: And so you take an issue like abortion, right? God is the only one in the scriptures with the prerogative to put his image in the world.
01:51:11: That's why he condemns the construction of false images as idolatry. And God has already spoken on this matter and put his image in the world.
01:51:21: It's you and me. And so we are him, his way, and we're to be faithful and to obedient as his ambassadors in this world.
01:51:32: And any construction of a false God, a false image is idolatry because we're the image of God, and he jealously guards over his image.
01:51:40: He jealously guards over his image, and that's why we jealously guard these pre -born children. So we need to guard these babies because they're the image of God, because God jealously guards over his image.
01:51:53: Because people might say, why are you so hung up on this issue? Why are you so all about ending abortion and criminalizing this?
01:52:00: Well, I would say because it's a fundamental attack, not just on the familial character and nature of God in the triune community, but it's also an attack on his very plan of salvation because Jesus Christ restores us to the true image of God and to our true office, and sinful fallen man that hates
01:52:18: God cannot have that. They want to image an idol, and they want to worship themselves and be a false
01:52:25: God or worship a false God, but there's only one God. And so what Jesus does is he gives us back our humanity by saving us and by calling us to be on mission for him and to go about doing the kinds of things that we do.
01:52:39: So the answer to the question, why does the church struggle with this so much? Cowardice, apathy, all those things are true, but they stem from a lack of understanding, a lack of being gripped by this reality of the kingdom of God and what it means to be on mission as his ambassador, as his image bearer, because as we're told in scripture, for those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son, right?
01:53:05: Jesus is the image of the invisible God. As we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly man, right?
01:53:14: And so many passages just in the New Testament alone about us being restored to the true image bearers of God and what that means.
01:53:22: And so truncation of the gospel, lack of the understanding of the gospel of the kingdom, and our office, because if it just becomes about chilling out, waiting for heaven, then we would never do anything like this.
01:53:34: Most people consider, like if they were to consider what the kingdom of God is, they would think of themselves sitting in a room with God, or like with Jesus in their pocket.
01:53:44: Like this is an independent, individual relationship that we have, and they wouldn't think of it as a kingdom at all.
01:53:51: I mean, at least not in what that actually means. I mean, what a lot of people, it's very regrettable, and I'm sure some people would say
01:53:59: I'm not giving enough benefit of the doubt, and some would say that I'm giving too much, but a lot of it is really, really poor discipleship.
01:54:07: Most people aren't taught that their relationship or the transforming power that happens there is anything more than something that just happens between you, and then what you should do is you should invite people who haven't had that experience into your life, and be nice to them until they have it.
01:54:25: And that's not anything we see anywhere, and it certainly, when there's actually something that comes up, when lives are at stake, it's not biblical.
01:54:37: So when you go to that, when that is your theology, you don't have anywhere to go.
01:54:44: Like, if you're trying to save someone or a life, or if you're trying to empower someone or encourage someone to kill their sin, it's like, if it's just me and you, and I've given up the
01:54:59: Bible, where can I go? And so a lot of people, I feel like a lot of Christians are left very, it's like they're disarmed.
01:55:07: Like they were told that they were brought up, and they were equipped with some ability to, you know, like with this identity, and then ultimately, they're just sitting in a room with this pocket
01:55:22: Jesus that is very helpful and pragmatic and encouraging, but doesn't really give them anything to apply anywhere.
01:55:32: And then they just think that's what it is. That's what the message has been all along. Just, you know. And there's no,
01:55:38: Jesus gives his followers the authority to plunder Satan's kingdom. That's what he's given them, and by extension, us.
01:55:45: And this world is no longer in the grasp of a defeated, vanquished foe. That's the point of the gospel, is that Jesus made a public, open spectacle of Satan on the cross.
01:55:55: He's defeated now. And so the Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil.
01:56:01: That's what John tells us. So we need to be about destroying the works of the devil, our defeated and vanquished foe, because he's defeated.
01:56:09: And so now we come, and we plunder his spoils, and we take everything that he has stolen from us back, and we do it to the glory of God.
01:56:17: That's right. Have you been listening to Joe Booth, by chance? He's always in my ears. All right, so let's wrap it up here for next week.
01:56:25: This is a huge, huge blessing. Hey, click all the buttons, and like all this stuff, and make the comments, and send this out across the world.
01:56:31: And just with that, I want to encourage you to really think through this. What God has done through a single ministry like ours has been transformative all the way to South Africa, and Ireland, and Australia, and Canada, across the
01:56:43: United States. Saved literally thousands and thousands and thousands of lives that is happening on a regular basis through this little old ministry of Apologia Church.
01:56:52: We're not a large church, and God has done significant things through this church. But you should know that the platforms that you're watching this on right now are making it more and more difficult.
01:57:03: It's becoming increasingly difficult for people to even see this content because the platforms are working against conservative and Christian voices.
01:57:11: So all the more, we need you to partner with us to hit the share button so that somebody else sees this, and it impacts them and blesses them.
01:57:20: We need you to participate with us. You might say, well, I'm not there in a chair with you. I haven't given financial aid to the ministry.
01:57:26: I love your ministry. Well, you can be a part of this ministry. Legitimately, side by side with us.
01:57:31: This isn't about us. It's about the message of Christ that we're talking about. And you can be a part of that by sending it out across the world.
01:57:37: And again, it's not for our fame. It is for the fame of Jesus. Absolutely. So tell everybody how they can get connected with End Abortion Now.
01:57:45: If you go to endabortionnow .com, you can sign up your church. That's where you'll get in touch with me.
01:57:50: We'll get you the free resources, training, any support that you guys need to get started with that. But that's how you get linked up with us ultimately.
01:57:58: And so you'd be partnered up with us. Obviously, we're going to do the media training so that you can get that going with your own local church.
01:58:05: But also, if you need to reach me, Zach at endabortionnow .com. That's how you get in touch with me. Perfect.
01:58:11: All right. Zach Conover, Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. Joy the
01:58:16: Girl. I almost said Joy Tembe. I stopped myself. Joy Hunter. That's Joy the Girl. Luke the Bear. And I'm Jeff.
01:58:22: We'll catch you next time on Next Week with Jeff Durbin. Thank you guys for watching. Thank you guys so much. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin.
01:59:00: With Apologia Church and End Abortion Now. Just a few short years ago, God called us to start
01:59:05: End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now, at the very beginning, was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
01:59:13: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon Scripture, the
01:59:23: Word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
01:59:29: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
01:59:38: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views, with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
01:59:51: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
01:59:57: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
02:00:07: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
02:00:23: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
02:00:31: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
02:00:42: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
02:00:49: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
02:00:56: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
02:01:17: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
02:01:23: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
02:01:37: This film is being seen globally and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
02:01:54: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
02:02:17: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
02:02:28: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
02:02:37: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
02:02:46: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
02:02:53: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
02:03:10: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
02:03:22: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.
02:03:32: We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.
02:03:41: Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with a message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year.
02:04:12: We pray that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
02:04:19: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
02:04:26: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
02:04:45: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.
02:04:53: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
02:05:03: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you whether you've participated with us before or not to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020, to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
02:05:20: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
02:05:26: Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
02:05:58: Hello again, honorable representatives. I told you we'd be back. My name is Desiree Mays.
02:06:03: I'm a Christian and a member of Apologia Church, and I first off just want to thank you for your time and the opportunity to speak to you today.
02:06:10: As you know, HB 2696 was presented today, and this is the allotted citizen comment time.
02:06:17: And as a citizen, I would just like to say that I'm utterly disgusted and angry. I honestly can't even believe that anyone would have the audacity to present a bill like this and that there would be others openly supporting it.
02:06:30: Thank God it got killed today. Here's the thing. We should all be equally outraged at abortion at any stage because it's murder.
02:06:37: Whether it's a baby at five weeks gestation, 20 weeks, or 40 weeks, people don't become more or less valuable because of their age.
02:06:45: It's just that one of the whole arguments of the pro -choice movement is that the baby in the womb is an unviable clump of cells.
02:06:52: Again, an unscientific argument that's outdated by decades. But here's the hard truth that we saw in Vivid Colored today.
02:06:59: Those who support abortion when presented with this scenario of a baby actually surviving a botched abortion and is laying on the operating table breathing, want the abortionist to have the right to legally look that baby in the face and watch her die a slow and painful death when they have the power to help her.
02:07:17: Can you think of anything more barbaric? Make no mistake, this is the agenda of the pro -choice movement.
02:07:23: Abortion on demand at any stage, no restrictions for any reason.
02:07:29: And now they're pushing for the rights to kill outside of the womb. What's next? Two -year -olds?
02:07:34: Eight -year -olds? Murder is murder at any age. So how do we stop this? More abortion regulations?
02:07:41: Pro -life bill after bill has been passed regulating abortion. Just two years ago, Senate Bill 1367 was passed here that strengthens
02:07:50: Arizona's law to ensure babies born alive after an abortion would receive life -saving care. You see, we don't need more legislation to regulate abortion.
02:07:58: We need to end it. You all know we already have a current law in the books that criminalizes abortion. We need
02:08:04: AZ Statute 13 -3603 to be upheld. You are all neglecting to do what you've been sworn in office to do, which is uphold the law.
02:08:13: It is your duty to establish justice for every person regardless of their age. And I will remind you again that 60 million babies have been murdered since Roe v.
02:08:23: Wade. More will die gruesome and barbaric deaths today in this city and in this state.
02:08:30: How many more have to die until you'll do something? Please let this be the day that you get the courage to stand up for what is right.
02:08:37: If you do, we pledge to stand behind you. We don't need cowards in office. We need bold men and women who will take a stand for what is right regardless of what our culture and society says.
02:08:48: Never forget that slavery was once legal in our country and it took Americans like you and like me to say no more.
02:08:56: Please go to endabortionnow .com to join us in this fight. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Hello, my name is
02:09:15: Elaine Stanton. I'm thankful to stand here in front of you exercising my rights as a living human being created uniquely by God.
02:09:24: There are so many variances on when it is legal and illegal to take a baby's life.
02:09:29: But according to God's law, it's simple. You do not murder. I want to ask you two things. First, uphold
02:09:35: Arizona 13 -3603. And in so doing, you are saving lives and loving your neighbors.
02:09:41: And second, declare Phoenix the first Arizona sanctuary city for the pre -born. Now, I'd like to share with you the one and only
02:09:49: God, the author, the creator of life says that the greatest commandment is to love the Lord your
02:09:54: God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself. The pre -born being murdered every day are your neighbors, ladies and gentlemen of the council.
02:10:04: I'd like to convince the pro -choice mother who has the right to choose and abort her baby using the reason that it's not viable, that the baby inside her is indeed viable, wholly human, separate, with the same right as I have today to choose here before you, pleading with you to uphold the law that would allow this child to live and not be murdered.
02:10:24: Listen to this true story just published on the Huffington Post. Bethany Smith's unborn daughter had spina bifida.
02:10:31: She was advised to have an abortion. Instead, she pursued a procedure where her daughter was removed from her womb and corrective surgery was performed before replacing her back in the womb to grow to a full term.
02:10:42: It was a success and the baby lived. Let me ask you how crazy this sounds. When the baby was in rather than out, it was okay to kill her.
02:10:50: Then when the baby was out rather than in, it was not okay to kill her. But then when she was put back in and was no longer out, it was back to being okay to kill her.
02:11:01: It makes no difference to vaguely assume that human life is more human post -born than pre -born.
02:11:07: Is the baby a human life? Science says yes. The complete single cell fertilized ovum has a genetic code completely separate and unique from the mother.
02:11:16: It needs nothing but nutrition from the mother till birth. The U .S. Supreme Court used viability as a measure of humanness, that if the baby can live independently outside the mother's womb, it is human.
02:11:27: Would our founding fathers be okay with this? No. James Wilson and George Tucker, both signers of the
02:11:32: Declaration of Independence, made it clear in their teachings that it is a great misdemeanor to kill a child in the mother's room.
02:11:39: Remember that phrase, we hold these truths to be self -evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and among these are life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
02:11:50: So I ask you, don't these truths apply to all human beings, whatever their stage of life?
02:11:56: Shouldn't equal protection be given to everyone? Or should we discriminate under the law? Abortion is discrimination against age, handicap, and place of residence.
02:12:06: Thank you. Good afternoon.
02:12:15: My name is Emma, and I am here to speak to you about God's wonderful creations. I have been studying zoology for two years, and I have learned many amazing things.
02:12:24: Last month, when investigating our oceans, I learned about coral reefs. They are beautiful animals that God made on the fifth day of creation.
02:12:32: They are protected by several laws enforced by the United States Environmental Protection Agency. We have laws, regulations, and even official task forces in place to keep baby coral safe.
02:12:46: While I love sea life, in all life, to be honest, it was surprising for me to discover that these boneless, brainless, bloodless, and nerveless animals are so fiercely protected by our government and have many special advocates.
02:12:59: I read about how the state of Hawaii passed a bill to ban the sale of sunscreen that contained the chemical oxybenzone.
02:13:09: Most sunscreens on the market have this chemical. Hawaii is asking for a radical change in order to save baby coral.
02:13:18: Coral do not have fingers or toes equipped with nails or hearts and eyes that function like a human fetus does, yet they are protected by our government.
02:13:30: Hawaii is willing to change the law to save babies. Baby coral, that is. As I studied,
02:13:38: I wondered why coral, manatees, sea turtles, and even puppies and kittens have protection under our law, but a human being inside their mother's womb does not.
02:13:48: I asked my dad how this could be true. He told me to look up Arizona Revised Statute 13 -3603.
02:13:55: To my surprise, I found out that abortions have been illegal in Arizona since 1901.
02:14:02: I ask you today, why do you not put an end to abortions knowing that this is the law? Why don't you tell the police in Phoenix, Arizona to put an end to abortions?
02:14:15: Why do you not take away those pills that are used to kill innocent babies? How can you tell people that they can't raise laws that you want upheld but murdering a baby is acceptable?
02:14:27: This is inconsistent with an Arizona's constitution that you swore to uphold and with God's law.
02:14:34: I am only in fifth grade and I can easily see the compromise you are making. I do not understand how you can do this with no shame.
02:14:44: Please take the necessary steps to make Phoenix a sanctuary city for the unborn. If the state of Georgia can pass the heartbeat bill, certainly you guys can work together to stop this evil marketing within your city.
02:14:56: Abortion is murder. Please defend your citizens' right to life. End abortion now. Thank you. Thou shall not murder.
02:15:16: This commandment is binding upon all men at all times and in every nation.
02:15:23: God did not say thou shall not murder unless the Supreme Court rules otherwise.
02:15:31: The Supreme Court is not the supreme being. Divine law trumps human law.
02:15:39: And every human law that violates God's law is no law at all. So says 1 ,800 years of recorded history in Western civilization.
02:15:53: Next quote. We hold these truths to be self -evident.
02:15:59: That all men are created equal. That they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
02:16:17: Our nation sinned when we denied the right of liberty to our black brethren. Our Lord warned this nation for 75 years, let them go.
02:16:29: We hardened our heart and we stiffened our neck and it took a bloody civil war to end the scourge of slavery in the
02:16:37: United States of America. Abraham Lincoln pinpointed the cause. Pay attention to his words.
02:16:44: Until every drop of blood drawn from the lash shall be paid by every drop of blood drawn from the sword.
02:16:53: As it was said 3 ,000 years ago and still remains today, the judgments of the
02:16:59: Lord are true and righteous all together. Well, that was then and this is now.
02:17:07: At least most of the slaves were still allowed to live. But now our nation has crushed over 60 million children made in the image of God.
02:17:21: We have torn their limbs from their torsos. We have decapitated their heads.
02:17:29: We have poisoned them. And we have shed volumes and volumes of innocent blood.
02:17:37: Can we possibly conceive the wrath that is pent up against this nation?
02:17:43: And know this for a certainty, all the blood that has been shed, this nation will be held to account for every single drop.
02:17:55: Next quote. No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.
02:18:02: Let me ask a rhetorical question. What has the pre -born done? What capital crime have they committed that they deserve capital punishment?
02:18:14: Whatever happened, is my time up here? Can I finish my statement, please? Whatever happened to equal justice under the law?
02:18:25: Each of us here, we're welcome into life and we're protected by law.
02:18:32: How can you and I partake of these gifts and deny it to our own sons and daughters?
02:18:39: Jeff Sturbin? Is that it? That is. Let me just say one last thing.
02:18:45: I would just call upon you to fear God. Stop carrying the sword of justice in vain.
02:18:52: Do your duty. Ignore Roe. Establish justice and end abortion now in the city of Phoenix.
02:18:59: In Jesus name. Thank you. Hello again, honorable representatives of Arizona.
02:19:11: I come back today to remind you of your duty to uphold justice for the unborn citizens of our state. I appear before you not as a neutral party to this issue, but as a
02:19:19: Christian standing on the principles of scripture, which I admit may seem foreign to you. We've all been told that to engage in such behavior is to violate a supposed separation of church and state.
02:19:29: A phrase that has been twisted and weaponized by the enemies of my Lord to get Christians like me to check their ultimate commitments at the door and enter the public square stripped of their foundation to condemn a moral atrocity like abortion.
02:19:41: But I will not relinquish my religious foundation in fighting for the lives of these children any more than pro -choice advocates will relinquish their religious commitment to the position that human beings in the womb aren't worthy of our protection because they haven't earned their personhood yet.
02:19:54: I am more concerned with being faithful to my Lord than looking respectable or reasonable in your sight.
02:20:00: What's unreasonable is for mothers in our state to think so little of their children is to treat them like disposable waste for their own sakes.
02:20:07: It is not respectable to pay someone to assassinate your own offspring by having their little bodies sucked out of your body and then discarded under the label of unwanted parasite.
02:20:17: It is unconscionable to carve up a child and call this act choice, healthcare, or reproductive freedom which is a euphemism for child murdering rights due to the fact that if a woman is pregnant she has already exercised her right to reproduce.
02:20:31: This term becomes the thin veneer of pseudo justice that exclaims it's a righteous thing for them to desire the death of their own children for their sake and the obligation of others like us to ensure that they have the provision to carry it out.
02:20:44: Such thinking is the basis of violent injustice with the primary victim being the unborn child in the womb who is made in the image of God.
02:20:52: Respectfully and lovingly to you leaders of our city, you are required to act and ensure true justice for the true victims of this crime that is the fatherless children being abandoned by their parents in our state.
02:21:04: Even if you're sitting here today and you agree with what I'm saying, merely acknowledging the truth that this is murder is not enough.
02:21:11: You must act to end it completely, not play a political football with the lives of the preborn neighbors you are commanded to love and defend.
02:21:19: This council is to be governed by Arizona revised statutes and setting city policy and passing rules and regulations.
02:21:25: Therefore, I am pleading with you to pass no new law but to recognize and enforce existing
02:21:31: Arizona state law, revised statute 13 -3603. If you do not, the only ones that suffer as a result will be babies in our state that are systematically and brutally murdered under your watch.
02:21:45: Thank you so much again for your time. Go to and abortion now .com for more details. Back to another episode of next week.
02:22:35: I'm Jeff Durbin. That is Luke the bear right there. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas. You'll notice the set right now.
02:22:41: That's right. Very exciting time of year. Lucas. Yeah, Luke's here. And we also have Marcus King Ginger Pittman right now.
02:22:50: Wade likes him. All right. So this is this is
02:22:55: Marcus Pittman. He is the director of the filmmaker of babies are still murdered here. And he's a member of apology at church.
02:23:02: And you guys all know who Marcus is. All right. So. All right. Let's let's update, man. Let's talk.
02:23:08: So big news. It's what? Go ahead. I want more. Oh, yeah. So the movie is now on Amazon Prime.
02:23:14: All right. So that's pretty important,
02:23:19: I think, because it's going to get the movie out there to a lot of people who would have never found it.
02:23:25: Certainly not found it on YouTube because you can't find anything on YouTube anymore. Because YouTube's algorithm and everything suppresses anything based on words that are spoken in the in the film.
02:23:40: So yeah. So but so but now it's on Amazon Prime. And so it's got over I think we're at maybe like 200 reviews already.
02:23:50: Are you serious? Our reviews. Yeah. What is that in two days? Yeah. In two days. So like I think like that means like it's going to be suggested and put out there in front of people.
02:24:01: Just I mean, just imagine people just like looking through the Roku and saying, oh, what's this movie about?
02:24:07: Like, that's a that's a platform that. Especially if you're looking for some horror movies. Oh, yeah. Because it's under horror.
02:24:12: That's why I said that. That was a. Wait, wait, what? It's categorized under horror movie.
02:24:18: Why? And because Darren Doan told me not to put it under Christian stuff because no one will watch it.
02:24:24: But if you put it under different categories that's relevant to the film, then it'll get more. Well, it is. It is horrifying.
02:24:30: Yeah, for sure. So that works. Well, let's. It's under documentary horror.
02:24:35: Yeah, like nonfiction. OK. All right. Well, for people who are new, most of you who are watching next week will probably know what we're talking about in the film
02:24:43: Babies Are Still Murdered Here. But just give everyone sort of a picture of what is Babies Are Still Murdered Here. What is the film?
02:24:49: So the film is about essentially how the pro -life lobbies and organization have allowed abortion to continue for the past 46 years just by essentially not wanting to see abortion totally ended and not having the guts to really follow through and pass any sort of legislation with teeth.
02:25:17: It's a bold claim to say that the pro -life organizations don't want abortion ended. No. It appears methodologically.
02:25:24: Right. So what do you mean by that? Because people right now are watching this. They're saying, well, I thought you guys are pro -life. And we would say, yes.
02:25:30: Yeah. We're pro -life, but we're not with the pro -life industrial. System. System. Yeah, yeah. But it's a bold claim to say that they're not trying to end it.
02:25:39: So what do you mean? Well, what does the film just teach us and demonstrate to us that they're not trying ultimately to end it now?
02:25:47: Well, the film shows how they only support legislation that's politically expedient or popular.
02:25:55: OK. So for example, with the heartbeat bills in Ohio, the citizens wanted a heartbeat bill to be passed for years.
02:26:06: And the pro -Ohio Right to Life refused and said, no, we're going to do this other bill.
02:26:13: Here's maybe like a 20 -week ban or an Infant Born Alive Act or some other form of legislation, but not the heartbeat bill.
02:26:23: But eventually, the citizens of Ohio demanded a heartbeat bill. And they got it passed.
02:26:29: They got it through the legislature. And they got the governor to sign it and agree to it.
02:26:35: And then when the governor signed it, there was Ohio Right to Life clapping when the governor signed it.
02:26:43: Like they were a part of it. Like they were behind it. But they've been opposing it. Past few years, they've been opposing that legislation.
02:26:50: But because the citizens rose up and wanted it, suddenly they felt a need to get behind it.
02:26:57: And then a few days after that, it was signed. It was struck down in the
02:27:05: Ohio Supreme Court as unconstitutional or whatever. And then three days after that, at the
02:27:13: National Right to Life Convention, they did a whole lecture on essentially how not to get behind and support heartbeat bills or these dramatic legislations to end abortion.
02:27:28: So they're mocking it. And it's interesting to me that I even found that video because it was the only video
02:27:35: National Right to Life uploaded in the past two years. But they uploaded that within one week of that lecture at the
02:27:43: National Right. And it was the only thing from the convention they uploaded was that talk on their channel.
02:27:48: Definitely providential. We needed that to show the problem. Well, it wasn't.
02:27:54: I mean, they knew exactly why they did it. They were doing it. So the thing is, even though they're in there and they're cheering and stuff, they're not going to put up the money and the funds to fight the courts to make that law go through.
02:28:07: They're just going to say, see, told you. Now go back to our legislation. So what's the difference, though?
02:28:14: What are you saying? For the people who are saying, OK, wait, I'm confused. I thought that we were all pro -life.
02:28:19: We're Christians. And now you're saying that they're not ultimately helping. So what's the difference between their message and our message?
02:28:26: What are the two different perspectives? Well, our message is that we're not using pro -life legislation as a means to get
02:28:34: Republicans elected. So that's what the pro -life lobby's main focus is, is in Republican elections.
02:28:43: And they'll tell you this. Jim Bopp, who's the chief legal mind at National Right to Life.
02:28:53: He's the one that gave that talk. He's the one that said, don't vote for it. Don't put these laws.
02:28:59: He'll tell you the reason why is because if, let's say, a heartbeat bill would move moderate
02:29:08: Republicans to vote Democrat. And then they'll lose, through chain reaction,
02:29:14: Supreme Court justices. So they have to go with laws that will get pro -life legislators elected.
02:29:29: Or, sorry, not even pro -life legislators, Republicans elected. So it doesn't matter if you're pro -life or not. And so that's their main focus.
02:29:37: And that's why they're one of the only political lobbies that I know of where the
02:29:44: GOP, the Republicans, actually fund them. Because that's how strong the pro -life vote is, is that if the pro -life organizations like National Right to Life says, we endorse this guy as being pro -life, you have 50 % of the voting bloc that'll vote for him right away.
02:30:03: Which says a lot about our ability to end abortion. Right. Actually. To really end it, is that this voting bloc is in such a large support.
02:30:12: It's such a strong voting bloc. Yeah. That's why they can only do legislation that the
02:30:18: Republicans approve of. Right. So it's not about ending abortion.
02:30:24: It becomes this political strategy of how far can we push the Republicans that we've endorsed to vote on legislation?
02:30:33: And do they feel comfortable? Will they lose votes? It's just this massive system.
02:30:39: Well, that's a good point. So talk about this. There's two examples in the last couple of years of abolitionist or criminalization bills.
02:30:47: And that's in Oklahoma and Texas. And in both cases of bills that were working to outright end, ban, criminalize, abolish abortion in those states.
02:30:57: Done. In both cases, it was struck down and ultimately done away with by Republican pro -life.
02:31:04: Exactly. Jeff Leach. In Texas. Yeah. Jeff Leach in Texas, most notably, who just announced his re -election campaign.
02:31:14: Right. So Jeff Leach, you look at, let's say,
02:31:21: Jeremiah Thomas, who was on his deathbed. And he got a call from the governor. And he told the governor, my dying wish is to end abortion in Texas.
02:31:31: And the governor says, OK, we're going to do it. We're going to put it on the platform. And then so the
02:31:37: Texas bill, HB 896, I think. I think it's HB 896. I forgot the number.
02:31:43: So the Texas bill comes into play. They have it before committee.
02:31:49: There are Christians come all over the country to show support. And I think they were there for eight hours until 3 a .m.
02:31:57: in the morning. They were talking about how they want this bill passed or whatever. And then there comes this point where Rusty Thomas is explaining why this bill needs to be passed.
02:32:08: And then Jeff Leach, who has already said before this meeting started, he's going to vote against it, talks about how much of a hero
02:32:15: Jeremiah Thomas is. That he would do this. And this is for him.
02:32:21: And he's a hero and all this stuff. But then he goes and just goes, yeah, well, but I'm not going to vote for it.
02:32:28: A bill to end abortion. A bill to end abortion. He's not going to vote for it. What was the bill they passed instead?
02:32:35: It was the Infant Born Alive Act. Yep. Yeah, so it wasn't even an abortion bill, really.
02:32:40: It was just... And that was their big win. Protect them if they're born alive. Yeah, Infant Born Alive Act. So that was the one
02:32:45: Jeff Leach got behind. The pro -life movement backed that one. Rejected, obviously, the one that would end it.
02:32:53: And then... Doesn't do anything about abortion. No. Born alive. Protect them once alive. I thought we were already doing it. Yeah, right.
02:32:59: Well, even in Arizona this last year... Do you guys remember what the big pro -life win was in Arizona?
02:33:05: The bill they passed? Or maybe it was two sessions ago. Remind me, I forget. It was... They passed a law saying that if you were having an abortion, you had to essentially give the reason why.
02:33:15: Yeah. And that was what they were celebrating. Yeah, it was something. And it was like, what does that even mean?
02:33:21: Yeah. You know, and it was like, they act like they won this big thing. And it was like, what does it even accomplish?
02:33:27: Right. They act like their victories are actual victories, but they're not.
02:33:33: So if you follow, for instance, National Right to Life on Twitter, they'll share conflicting things.
02:33:42: Like one, this week, I retweeted something they said, because they said, abortion is never health care.
02:33:50: That's what they said. And so I retweeted, I was like, well, if abortion is never health care, why do you regulate it like health care?
02:33:56: Yeah. Because all the regulations on like the size of the clinic, whether it meets medical standards, whether like is all based on the assumption that abortion is health care.
02:34:08: Yeah. So they're conceding Planned Parenthood's position just by, you know, Planned Parenthood doesn't care about regulation.
02:34:14: They'll fight regulations all day. But I mean, that's, I mean, every business has to fight regulations.
02:34:20: So that's just not, that's just part of the thing for them. Planned Parenthood is afraid of criminalization. Right, yeah.
02:34:26: They don't want to do that. And so, but see, so then when you regulate health care, just on that standard, if you say, well, it is health care, so we're going to regulate it like health care.
02:34:39: Now you're giving authority for the government to regulate health care in general. Right.
02:34:44: So you've given up ground on being against government health care and death panels, which they say they're against death panels.
02:34:52: But they're not, they're not, they've lost their position to even argue against death panels.
02:34:58: Yeah. When they've already said, well, you can regulate some kinds of health care. Right. But you can't.
02:35:04: Right. So it just, they just, they just, it's just not an organization that has the logical ability to be able to actually end something like abortion.
02:35:18: Well, do you remember what Jim Bopp said in that talk? Specifically, the one thing that stood out to me is he said that he literally said it's a popularity contest.
02:35:29: Yeah. That was the exact words. And it's because they're all about, their whole push is getting a willing court, they call it.
02:35:37: Right. Well, like the only, in their mind, the only way, and I know you have a lot to say about that, but in their mind, the only way that you can end abortions through a willing court is he's, he was all about, this is a popularity contest, we've got to get
02:35:49: Trump reelected. Right. But that's literally, his whole speech is about that. You have to get Republicans voted in the state legislature, you have to get
02:35:56: Republicans voted in Congress and the Senate, Republican president, and then a
02:36:01: Republican majority Supreme Court, which doesn't matter, because in 1992 in Casey, Casey versus Planned Parenthood, they, it was, it was, they, they had the perfect case that would challenge
02:36:20: Roe v. Wade in 1992. And they had eight Republican appointed
02:36:27: Supreme Court justices and one Democrat Supreme Court justice.
02:36:33: And I believe the Democrat actually voted in favor of overturning
02:36:41: Roe v. Wade, the Democrat appointed Supreme Court justice did, and it was the other eight. I mean, not all eight of them, but like, it was everyone that voted against overturning
02:36:50: Roe v. Wade were all the Republican. So it was like five to six or whatever, or something.
02:36:57: Also, we look back at Roe v. Wade itself. Yeah, exactly. Republican. All, yep, Republicans too. All Republicans. Yeah. So it's not going to help us.
02:37:04: And you, you, I think what's best about these films is your first film, to my mind, instructs the church on the duty of the church to do something.
02:37:12: Yeah. And to go out and start saving lives. Yeah. That's the challenging part of part one. Part two, you do an excellent job of teaching very seamlessly,
02:37:21: I think, teaching what are the major problems and then also responding to some of the objections, because I think people hearing this right now are probably gonna hear what you're saying in terms of pro -life lobbies, pro -life organizations, pro -life legislation, problem, problem, problem.
02:37:34: But they're going to probably go, but Roe v. Wade, and we need the Supreme Court, which is what the pro -life establishment says.
02:37:41: We need the Supreme Court to go pro -life so we can overturn Roe. But you address that problem too in the film, in terms of that's a wrong way to think about how we actually establish justice.
02:37:54: Right. Supreme Court's not supposed to have legislative power like that. They're not the ones, according to the Constitution, that actually creates law.
02:38:00: Congress creates law. Yeah. So you are really arguing in the film that this needs to be something done at the local level, where local magistrates, local communities actually resist the tyranny of the higher magistrate, the higher court.
02:38:15: Can you talk about that a little bit? Yeah. So obviously, if you've taken a basic civics class in school, you learn there's three branches of government, executive, legislative, and judicial.
02:38:28: Supreme Court is judicial. So the
02:38:37: Congress is the legislative branch. So the Congress is the one that makes laws.
02:38:42: The judicial branch does not make laws. The executive branch does not make laws.
02:38:48: They're not supposed to. They're not supposed to. Right. Right. There's executive orders and stuff, but that's another conversation.
02:38:55: But I think that's essentially how status our nation has become, is we look and say, well, all three branches can make laws.
02:39:02: Right. But that's not how it's supposed to be. It's supposed to be only the Congress could make laws after they both voted on it, and then the
02:39:10: President had to approve it. And then now the Supreme Court can look at a law the
02:39:17: Congress makes and say, well, that's an unconstitutional law. But then what needs to happen is another law needs to be made.
02:39:25: But with Roe v. Wade, they said, well, Roe v. Wade is unconstitutional, whatever. But there wasn't ever any law put into effect.
02:39:33: It was never made into effect. So the Supreme Court only does opinions on individual, they don't do blanket changes or transformations like that.
02:39:44: They're only ruling on that one individual case in Roe v. Wade. So when it comes to ignoring the
02:39:55: Supreme Court, we see that it happens all the time. The governor of New York ignored the
02:40:02: Supreme Court by making sanctuary cities. And he actually said, the governor of New York said to the local governments that you have responsibility to essentially defy the federal government when it comes to allowing immigrants to enter into your state and illegal immigrants to enter into your state.
02:40:19: And then they went and passed a bill for full term abortion. Yeah, and then they went and passed the bill for full term abortion. But then you have
02:40:24: Colorado or Washington where they defy the federal government when it comes to marijuana laws.
02:40:31: Nevada. Yeah, Nevada. So there's always states who in some way defy the federal government.
02:40:37: And there's states that defy the federal government when it comes to like gun laws, and all sorts of other things.
02:40:44: So states defy the federal government all the time. And there's never even any consequences. When you had in Wisconsin, you had the
02:40:53: Fugitive Slave Act, where the Supreme Court said that slaves are property.
02:40:59: And if they are caught, a free slave is caught, they're to be returned back to their owner. Wisconsin said no, and told the
02:41:07: Supreme Court to pound sand and any slave that made it to Wisconsin was free. No matter what the
02:41:12: Supreme Court said, they didn't go to war over that, nothing happened. And so that's why, you know, a lot of the founding fathers talk about the right for the states to nullify
02:41:24: Supreme Court rulings, because that would be a legitimate check and balance on that.
02:41:33: It's a very Christian system in terms of accountability, division of powers.
02:41:41: It's a form of resistance to tyranny, or the potential of tyranny. But the amazing thing with the sinful heart of man is that even with all of these checks and balances and a desire to resist tyrannical, oppressive regimes, we're facing that today.
02:41:58: Not because the regime actually has the power. It's because we're so ignorant. Like we're a nation that has been indoctrinated in such a way as we don't understand our history.
02:42:09: We don't understand how our laws work. None of those things. I mean, you've got people now it's crazy. You have like these videos where they go do interviews on the street.
02:42:16: I saw one yesterday where they were going on the street and they were like, just asking basic questions about life.
02:42:22: Everyone's supposed to know this stuff. They walked with the random people on the boulevard and they were like, how many days does it take for the earth to go around the sun?
02:42:34: And people were like, this girl was like, 24. Like it was, it was just like, wow, like they're voting.
02:42:44: She's voting probably if she can make her way to the place where she votes. So like, that's the problem is like, we don't know the strength that we have legally.
02:42:55: So like, for example, like we've said, we've all gone, the three of us have gone to the
02:43:01: Phoenix legislature to go into demand justice. And we've told them it's illegal right now in Arizona to have an abortion.
02:43:10: Like AZ statute 13 -3603 is the law in our books. Amazing thing. It's never been, it's never been taken away.
02:43:17: It's never been changed. The amazing thing is that only stuff has only been added to it to strengthen it from the pro -life organizations.
02:43:24: But the amazing thing is the pro -life organizations are adding stuff to a law that says it's already illegal.
02:43:31: And it's like, it just point to the law. It says it's already illegal. No additions necessary. It's just illegal.
02:43:37: I think you could add an addition in terms of criminalization and penalty to it. That would help a little better, strengthen it, boost it.
02:43:45: But right now, it is illegal in Arizona to have an abortion. It's illegal in Texas to have an abortion.
02:43:51: According to Texas state law and Arizona state law, it's illegal in Idaho right now to have an abortion, according to Idaho state law.
02:43:57: So you have three states right there that it's technically right now currently illegal. You could seriously just point to it tomorrow in the legislature and say, we're going to uphold that.
02:44:07: But the problem is, is we've got people who have been indoctrinated to think that the Supreme Court makes laws and that all these things are ultimately in control.
02:44:15: Yeah. Yeah. Why are you smiling? No. Do you think it's something funny? Well, I was just going to.
02:44:22: No, I'm good. I was just going to say, like, I think that we talked about this the last show we did, but it's just cowardice.
02:44:28: People are literally afraid of the federal abuse. And I don't know what's so funny, but let's just be honest.
02:44:35: It's all about money. Right. Because the real fear with these states, when say
02:44:41: Texas, where you have this, he's still laughing. What is he doing? I don't know. You have these. What is it,
02:44:47: Marcus? We just got to cut for a minute. We'll have to cut and come back. I don't know why, but that Eric Swalwell fart gate, just like while we're on camera.
02:44:57: Oh, I see.
02:45:04: I thought you were yawning. I was like, that's like a 20 second yawn.
02:45:10: No, y 'all didn't see it. Fart gate. Is that what y 'all see it? Yeah. Okay. By the way, we're keeping all of this.
02:45:18: There's no cut. He's on. He's being interviewed. Wait, why'd you want to cut? This is good show.
02:45:24: Okay. This is good. No, no. Go ahead. Go. I want to hear about it now. He's a presidential candidate.
02:45:31: He's being interviewed on MSNBC and he farts right in the middle of it. For real? Yeah, for real. For real.
02:45:37: I did not see that. Wait, is this a real video? Is the video available? Oh yeah. Okay.
02:45:42: We're going to cut to that right now. It's going to be in this. Ready? Chris, so far, the evidence is uncontradicted that the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the
02:45:51: Ukrainians to help him cheat an election. And the complaint that I've heard from Republicans all last week was that you don't have anyone who heard the call.
02:45:59: Oh my God. Oh, that's hilarious. I don't know why you would ever ask us to cut from that.
02:46:04: This is, have you been gone that long? Okay. What did we say when we were talking about this that made you think of that?
02:46:12: Because all I see is Marcus all of a sudden go. No, it was just that I was being interviewed at the time and I was thinking of him being interviewed at the time.
02:46:20: Were you afraid you were going to fart? Is that why? I think I shouted to Carmen before.
02:46:27: Okay. All right. All right. Luke, you were asking. So we were talking about how they're afraid of the money.
02:46:33: And so ultimately the problem in Texas, their concern is if we were to actually pass and uphold this righteous law, which they know is a right.
02:46:57: I wish it was Jeff Leach. I'm sorry.
02:47:03: No, it's fine. The problem is they're like, well, the federal government is going to take our funding.
02:47:10: Our funding. Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. This is good. Okay. Take a breath.
02:47:17: Okay. Come back. Okay. I'm going to just focus. I think we were wanting to raise money for EAN for 2020 in this episode.
02:47:24: No, so yeah, it's funding. It's about the funding, not the farting.
02:47:31: So they don't want to lose the money. And they're like, well, if we do this, then the government's going to take their money from us.
02:47:37: And that's what it boils down to. Yeah. So a lot of money involved. I wanted to talk about that because that's a huge factor for us is when we first started
02:47:46: End Abortion Now, we didn't have any money. Zero. Zero. We knew we had this grand project ahead of us, a huge need.
02:47:56: This was serious. The churches all need to get involved in this, but we didn't have any ability to do it. So what we do, we came up with like the most basic nuts and bolts budget.
02:48:06: Luke and I didn't get paid. It was because that's not what it was about. It was about the need to get churches now equipped to go do the work.
02:48:16: We didn't have any money. So we raised a small budget. What was the first year's budget? $250? No, it wasn't that for the first year, was it?
02:48:23: Was it? Yeah. Okay. So the first year budget, local church gets involved and starts equipping other churches, $250 ,000.
02:48:31: And I don't even know how many hundreds, was it 200 first year? 200 churches? I think so. Somewhere around there.
02:48:38: Those churches now have saved thousands and thousands of lives. And so each year we've gone up incrementally just because of the need.
02:48:46: More churches, more need, more media. But the effect of it all is the amount of budget that was needed to do the damage, the righteous damage that was caused through End Abortion Now was so tiny.
02:49:02: You know what you haven't seen the pro -life movement actually developing? Developing a community of people that actually go to the legislature and start actually demanding justice and to end it now.
02:49:12: No, because they want to control that. Right. That's where the power is. So for them, the power's up at the top.
02:49:21: So the people like Carol Tobias and all the leaders that they give awards to, that's where their power is.
02:49:31: Whereas what we're saying is the power isn't in our top lobbyists.
02:49:37: Our organization. Our organization. The power is in your local church. Your local church and the people going out and sharing the gospel either at the abortion clinic or to the city legislator.
02:49:51: Yeah. So that's like actually, I would say that End Abortion Now is cancer to what they're doing because it's decentralizing what they're doing.
02:50:01: Yeah. Because they're saying, the pro -life lobbies are saying, we need to form a big army.
02:50:11: We need to come together and then all of you guys need to do what we tell you. We'll lead it. Yeah, we'll lead it.
02:50:17: We'll be the face. We have the ear of the president. We have the ear of all these people.
02:50:23: And what we're saying is, don't worry about the people at the top.
02:50:29: You guys just pay attention and do what's in your local city. Yeah. And then anytime
02:50:36: Christianity has decentralized something, it's changed the world.
02:50:43: So printing press, medicine, Christianity has always decentralized things.
02:50:52: So that's one of the principles of economics that Christianity is so good at. And so when you can sit there and take the decentralization of lobbying and say, no, no, no, just have the church do it, have the church go to their city councils, have the church get involved in state legislator, state laws.
02:51:13: And as Vati Bakam says, and babies are still murdered here, he says, the reason we always look to what the president of the
02:51:22: Supreme Court says is because we're statists and we've just embraced statism and think that all the power is there.
02:51:30: And then, you know, and he says, what we need is a sheriff that can look at something the federal government does and says, not in my county.
02:51:39: Yes. So like, that's like that, I think sums up exactly what we want to do.
02:51:45: And I think if I mean, there's 400 churches already, right?
02:51:51: More than that, close to 450. That's a lot. That can do a lot of damage to a centralized power.
02:52:02: And so once you know, I mean, and the more of that we have, the more churches that we have are eventually,
02:52:11: I think you'll see that the pro -life organizations are just drowned out by the work that we're doing.
02:52:19: And no one is going to pay attention. And the thing with us too is all of those little mini movements in their communities are all privately governed, privately funded by those local churches.
02:52:30: Right. And what's interesting too is that what we were able to accomplish by God's grace and through God's people being so sacrificial, is that all these churches that have received training from End Abortion Now and resources and can now communicate to one another literally moment by moment worldwide through the app that was created, all of that came at zero cost to those churches.
02:52:55: We did not ask them for a penny. That's significant. Is that we've trusted the
02:53:02: Lord to give through his people sacrificially to bless these churches and help them. We didn't say, here's a kit, and now can you cough up some money for our organization?
02:53:14: What we're saying is no, we're a local church that's trying to equip and train other local churches. We're just a church.
02:53:20: We're a local church. We're pastors. And this is a mission of the church. And look what happened. I mean, you highlight it in your film,
02:53:26: Marcus. You highlight how you had pastors and just members of churches going to their local legislatures, children demanding justice for the pre -born and an immediate end to abortion in sanctuary cities.
02:53:40: All that happened because local churches started getting involved. Like you said, decentralization, the power away from the pro -life industry.
02:53:47: Yeah. Well, see, that's how you know a movement is gaining speed.
02:53:53: So there's also a bad form of decentralization when, for example, the regulations on the pro -life on abortion clinics are causing the decentralization of abortion pills.
02:54:12: So like you have, you know, like RE -486 and the morning after pills are becoming easier and easier to get. And then the pro -life lobbies are looking and saying, well, look, guys, the abortion numbers at clinics are down, but they're not saying, you know, that the abortion bills are.
02:54:27: It'd be like me saying, look, guys, nobody takes a taxicab anymore. We did it. We ended the taxicab industry.
02:54:33: And you go, no, more people are taking Uber and Lyft now more than ever took a taxicab. I never took a taxicab, but I've taken hundreds of Lyfts in my lifetime.
02:54:43: So it wouldn't be wise for me to say, see the regulations on the taxicab industry, that the need to have a medallion has really, you know, stopped, you know, the amount of traffic on the streets in New York.
02:54:57: No, that's increased it. Yeah. That's interesting. Yeah. So that's with any business.
02:55:05: Any business, when something is regulated, highly regulated, you know, it's like in Jurassic Park when
02:55:12: Jeff Goldblum says, nature will find a way.
02:55:18: Yeah. Like that's how capitalism works through regulation. It'll be like water and it'll find the path of least resistance.
02:55:26: And then before you know it, you got a whole nother waterfall on your hand that's completely unregulated. Happened with smoking industry.
02:55:32: Smoking industry regulated themselves as a means to keep competition out.
02:55:39: And then vaping started and it was completely unregulated. And so it just blew up.
02:55:45: And so that's just how it happens over and over and over again. And so if we can get through a decentralized form of political lobbying through the local church, then you'll see that the pro -life lobbies, the national pro -life lobby will be less and less effective.
02:56:09: I was going to say, this really is a grassroots movement. We were talking about today, I think, someone had messaged us and they were saying they watched a quarter of the film and they were like, it completely turned my whole view on this upside down.
02:56:21: They didn't even finish the film. And I was like, you have to get your pro -life friends and family to watch it. You have to share this.
02:56:27: And that's how this works. It's completely grassroots. Share this with everyone that you know of that's going to be affected.
02:56:33: That's the great thing. It's the great thing about this idea we have of like platforming.
02:56:40: We don't want to talk about someone because we national right to life doesn't want to publicly talk about an abortion now.
02:56:49: We know from experience that they've shut us out of conversations. They said we're not pro -life, we're crazy.
02:56:59: Right. But the great thing about that is that just means there's no competition because they're not addressing the issues that we're bringing up.
02:57:10: They're just ignoring us. This happened with Sega versus Nintendo. Nintendo wanted to pretend that Sega wasn't a threat to them in the 90s and they just completely ignored them.
02:57:21: And then by the time they had to respond to them, Sega had like half the retail space in Toys R Us. So the de -platforming thing doesn't work.
02:57:31: So now they're in a tough situation where they have to decide, well, do we talk about them?
02:57:37: Do we continue to ignore them? If they come at us now, that'd be great.
02:57:45: But that's just the situation they put themselves in, which is great. But also, they can't really address end abortion now because there's so many churches involved.
02:57:57: Who are they talking about? They're talking about the entire Protestant Reformed Church. We're talking about a biblical view of this issue.
02:58:05: So that's what you really have to come after. It's not end abortion now. It's not the personalities. It's just Christians.
02:58:12: Exactly. They're in a tough spot. Let's start the conversation and we can probably end it here.
02:58:20: It's how the film begins with John Speed. Why did they ignore the first film? Because John says we were talking about abortion in terms of it being murder and that people need to come to Christ in the issue.
02:58:33: I think that's one of the first topics of conversation that's going to come up if they finally address this. They're ultimately going to have to at some point because of what
02:58:41: God is doing through his church. The main thing you're going to have to address there is that first point. Is this murder?
02:58:49: Babies are still murdered here. That's the distinction. This is a biblical perspective because murder, according to scripture and law, is the unjustified killing of a human being with malice of forethought.
02:59:01: That's murder. That's what's happening at abortion clinics every single day across this country. The people who are engaging it are the moms and dads with malice of forethought killing a human being.
02:59:12: It's unjustified. That's what's happening. That's the industry itself. The pro -life movement won't ultimately acknowledge it.
02:59:19: That's what we say has to be acknowledged. That has to be legislated against on the basis of it being murder.
02:59:24: Then you have the ERLC who just posted an article. I don't know if you saw it. Did you see it?
02:59:30: It came out yesterday where they try to argue presuppositionally that because women know their sin, they know their sin is, that we shouldn't address abortion as murder because they're already aware and they're creating the image of God, have knowledge of sin.
02:59:52: Therefore, we just need to treat it just like any...
02:59:58: Which, by the way, the ERLC would not do. They would not treat abortion that way.
03:00:05: The way they treat abortion in that way, they wouldn't do with child predators in the church or racism.
03:00:11: They want to be very outspoken and loud about that, but when it comes to women who've had abortions, it's like, well, they already know.
03:00:21: Romans 1. You got to read that article if you haven't. I got to read it. That sounds terrible. I won't make any comments until I read it.
03:00:27: All right, so we need everyone to watch the film, review the film, and give stars and reviews on Amazon Prime.
03:00:36: It's okay to do now? Yeah, just make sure you watch it. Actually watch it because Amazon's commenting review system is incredibly complex.
03:00:46: Somebody was telling me they can tell based on if your Facebook account is connected to Amazon, if you're friends with the person who published it.
03:00:55: Interesting. Really? Yeah. That's why there was all these people saying, well, my review's not coming through.
03:01:02: Yeah, so just make sure you actually watch it and then review it. Just play it all through an interview. Yeah, just play it all through an interview.
03:01:08: Also, watch it on YouTube, which it's already basically stifled on YouTube because of the algorithm. It's somewhere around 40 or 50 ,000.
03:01:15: Facebook is 200 ,000, maybe somewhere around there. I think Amazon's going to blow through that, though. Amazon's the thing where it's going to be seen globally,
03:01:21: I think, effectively. So everyone needs to see it, share it, sit down, do a Bible study, add a Bible study with friends, go over it together, fellowship, have dinner together with Christian friends and your church members and watch it together.
03:01:33: Play it for your churches. Play it for your church. Pastors, play it for your churches. Send it to your local legislators, too. Yes, send a link to your local legislators.
03:01:39: That's very good. Yes. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can go to get more. We actually have a brand new website, which is awesome, which is amazing.
03:01:47: And more is going to be done next year in 2020. So in 2020, we have a whole new year ahead of us where it's now next stage.
03:01:54: Every year it's been building steps, next stage, next stage, next stage. 2020, big year for us, next stage.
03:02:00: And this is where we really have to begin implementing the whole thing. The first year you and I did this, we started talking about a game plan.
03:02:07: We're like putting everything together and we're like, it has to be this stage, this stage, this stage. And we were talking about how that would look. It took some time to build all that.
03:02:14: Well, now all that's in there in terms of the church, getting to the abortion mills, the media, the legislature, that whole thing, that trifecta thing.
03:02:22: It's ready to go. That was all ready. It's all ready to go now. So 2020 now is the first year where now it's like, this is full implementation now.
03:02:29: Let's do this. Let's finally end abortion. And I believe we can do it. I think 2020 could be a year where actually there's going to be a state, there can be a state that will ultimately criminalize and abolish, end abortion in their state.
03:02:41: It's possible to do, but it'll take the church to do it. And we're in it. We're in it to do it and we're in it to help the church.
03:02:47: So go to endabortionnow .com, sign your church up there, get all the free training and resources. But more importantly,
03:02:53: I think in light of all that we've said, go to endabortionnow .com and give.
03:02:59: Give towards 2020. Give towards all of the work that we're doing to pour into churches, to raise churches up, to give them all their training, all their equipping.
03:03:08: Give towards the work of all the media. People don't realize, I think, like, okay, I don't want to extend this conversation, but I was just talking to Matt DeJesus the other day.
03:03:18: He just got back from New York City where he did a project with HBO. They're doing a project on AI and all these different things.
03:03:24: And he was the Christian commentator. And there's some big names. Some big names. Big names. It's a huge project they've been working on for two years, apparently.
03:03:32: But I got worried about what some of the numbers were. It was $30 ,000 a day just to rent the studio.
03:03:41: For two years. $30 ,000 a day to rent. For two years. Well, for Matt DeJesus, the studio stuff, they were doing $30 ,000 a day for the studio rental.
03:03:50: People, I think, don't understand that in order to produce a film like we've done, there's a lot of cost involved.
03:03:59: A tremendous amount of cost involved. But they also need to realize, I think, hopefully they'll realize the impact of that film is completely global transforming.
03:04:12: It is truly globally transforming. And I want everyone to hear this. Peanuts. Peanuts.
03:04:20: Compared to the budgets of these major pro -life organizations, peanuts. We've been able to accomplish as a local church what has been devastating to the industry and what has saved thousands of lives.
03:04:34: And we've done it with peanuts. And it's because Christians have been faithful over the last couple of years to give towards, at the end of every year, we do a fundraising thing for the next year's labor.
03:04:44: And every year Christians have been faithful to give towards this work. I think 2020 is an election year.
03:04:51: I think something that In Abortion Now is doing, a goal of ours should be to have something that we're doing to be a topic of debate in the presidential elections this year.
03:05:03: I think we have 400 churches. I think we can do something pretty significant that will force a presidential debate.
03:05:10: A decision. A decision. Let's do that together. So if you go to inabortionnow .com, you guys can give towards that.
03:05:17: You can do it right now. Give towards the labor, the work, the ministry of 2020. Marcus is with us.
03:05:23: And he's going to be helping build content for us and meet all the work we're doing for In Abortion Now in 2020. We're together.
03:05:29: The team is together. And we're laboring together as Christians in the context of the gospel as a local church.
03:05:35: You can partner with us by giving at inabortionnow .com. And just go there. Check out the site.
03:05:41: And especially go and sign your church up for In Abortion Now to start saving lives. It's the most important ministry
03:05:49: I think that we have as a church. And I think that, well,
03:05:54: I know that it's only possible through you. And so thank you guys. That's Luke DeBere. Happy New Year to you in jail.
03:05:59: That's right. That's King Ginger. Go on home. They're waiting for you. I'm Jeff Durbin. Thank you guys for watching next week. Merry Christmas, everybody.
03:06:05: Merry Christmas. Hi, I'm Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and End Abortion Now.
03:06:14: Just a few short years ago, God called us to start End Abortion Now. End Abortion Now at the very beginning was just Apologia Church trying to equip local churches across the
03:06:24: United States to start abortion mill ministries to save children's lives. We wanted to create a ministry that was a gospel -centered ministry based upon scripture, the word of God, that was coming out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
03:06:40: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
03:06:49: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
03:07:02: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
03:07:09: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
03:07:19: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
03:07:34: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
03:07:42: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
03:07:54: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
03:08:01: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
03:08:07: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
03:08:28: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
03:08:35: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
03:08:49: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
03:09:06: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures, demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
03:09:28: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
03:09:39: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
03:09:48: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
03:09:57: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
03:10:04: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
03:10:22: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
03:10:34: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.
03:10:44: We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.
03:10:53: Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
03:11:31: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
03:11:37: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team of all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
03:11:57: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.
03:12:04: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
03:12:14: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
03:12:32: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
03:12:38: Help us to shut these places down, and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.
03:13:04: Good morning, honorable representatives of Arizona. My name is Elvis Kesto, a registered nurse with the state of Arizona, and a follower of the
03:13:11: Lord Jesus Christ. I'm here this morning to speak about a most egregious evil taking place in our very backyard.
03:13:17: Every day, over 3 ,000 babies are murdered in utero. Let me explain. A first trimester abortion can be done several ways, taking the
03:13:24: RU -486 pill which deprives the baby of life -sustaining progesterone, much like strangling a child until she dies.
03:13:32: In a bizarre twist of irony, the German chemical manufacturer IG Farben that supplied the gas used in the
03:13:39: Nazi Holocaust, get this, is also the company that later provided RU -486 for America's new
03:13:46: Holocaust. Surgical suction DNC, usually from 5 to 13 weeks, is the most common first trimester abortion.
03:13:53: A suction device about 20 times more powerful than a household vacuum is turned on, and the growing baby is rapidly torn apart limb from limb.
03:14:01: Mind you, at just 18 days, a heartbeat is detected. A second trimester abortion performed at 13 to 24 weeks is known as dilatation and evacuation.
03:14:10: Because the child is so large, the mother's cervix must be dilated 24 hours in advance. A sulfur clamp with jagged metal teeth on the end is used to clamp down on a limb, and the abortionist pulls and twists as hard as he can, brutally tearing off a leg, an arm, spinal cord, heart, intestines, one by one, as the baby is writhing in abject pain, desperately trying to move away.
03:14:32: Meanwhile, the baby's blood is profusely poured out through mom's body in the same canal that was meant to receive this body, this child with arms of love and joy.
03:14:41: The most difficult part is the head, because the skull has calcified. The abortionist goes back in, clamps down hard, and he knows he's crushed the head when a white substance comes oozing down his clamp.
03:14:52: This was the baby's brains. He then assembles the baby on a medical tray like a puzzle to make sure there are two legs, two arms, and all the pieces.
03:15:01: What I am describing is murder. Under Arizona Statute 133603, abortion is a crime punishable by no less than two years in prison.
03:15:10: My friends, God's judgment is upon this once -great land. The Bible says
03:15:16: God hates the hands that shed innocent blood. We must all stand before the judgment seat of Christ and give an account of what we did to help the most precious and innocent among us.
03:15:28: God commands you as civil magistrates to uphold justice. By hearing this today, God will hold you accountable to how you respond.
03:15:36: Consider that your life is a vapor. You are here today, and you're gone tomorrow. Jesus said, what shall a prophet a man if he gains a whole world and loses his own soul?
03:15:46: It is not my desire that you drink a sea of his wrath for a fleeting moment of borrowed pleasure.
03:15:52: I truly love you all, and I'm praying for you guys to do the right thing. Please check out endabortionnow .com for more information.
03:15:59: Thank you. What's up, guys?
03:16:07: Welcome, welcome, welcome. Very important announcement. Quick announcement for everybody today. Thank you all for joining us. We have been very, very excited to have this accomplished, and very excited to be able to announce it to everybody.
03:16:19: And the day is finally here. So this is Luke the Bear. What up? I'm Jeff, the Komen Ninja. That is
03:16:24: Zach right there. Hey, Zach is the Director of Communications for End Abortion Now, and we have very big news for everybody.
03:16:31: So stay with us. This is big, big stuff. We've been working on this now for months, and it is finally here.
03:16:37: We wanted to be able to have a place, a landing spot for people across the
03:16:43: United States of America, and really everywhere, to be able to communicate with each other together over the issue of engaging the issue of abortion with the gospel, and once and for all ending it.
03:16:54: And so we wanted to create a platform to do that. It's finally all done. And so Zach, could you tell everybody what that looks like?
03:17:00: This is a way for everybody who's watching right now to get connected to the ministry here, and to be able to communicate with each other, and to work together, and it's a quick way.
03:17:09: If something happens, we can immediately talk to each other and get at it together, right? So help us with that. What does it look like?
03:17:14: I think that's the most important thing when we're talking about how do we mobilize the church together.
03:17:19: So all the churches that are underneath the banner of End Abortion Now, up until now, we haven't really had an environment where all of these different people that are involved can come in, link up with one another, connect with each other, encourage each other, support each other, and we can get mobilized together to be going towards the same objective or the same goal together with each other.
03:17:38: Up until now, that just hasn't, we just haven't had the ability to do that in this way this quickly. So with the coalition, when you join, you go to the website, you join, you're brought into a platform with local church members, and even people that aren't a part of a local church, but are still brought into this environment.
03:17:59: Let's say it's someone who has experience working on legislation for abortion, and they're working on a bill in a certain state, and they need other people on board, or you want to ask questions about, okay, what would that look like in my state?
03:18:11: How do we do that? How do we get behind something like that? Can you give us tips about how to duplicate that process here? Those kinds of questions, those kinds of scenarios, it all, this environment, what it's designed to do is give us a place where we can come together and really mobilize effectively and fight really, and I guess maybe throw a heavier punch together, because now we can talk to each other, and now we have a way to get on board with each other quickly and move in the same direction.
03:18:36: That's right. So endabortionnow .com is where you guys can all go to get your church linked up with us, and under the banner of End Abortion Now, where you can get free training, you can get free resources, you can get equipped from us on how to actually engage this issue, to go out to the abortion models, to save children, and to go to your local legislature to demand immediate justice for the pre -born.
03:18:57: Right now we have about 400 local churches across the United States of America and around who are actually engaging this issue consistently, biblically, and saving lives.
03:19:07: Thousands of children have been saved through this ministry. You can be a part of it too with your local church, but now this is the next stage.
03:19:14: One of the things that we're dropping actually, by the way, in the next week or so, probably a couple of days, we're dropping a special video that I created for everybody who's a part of End Abortion Now to train you on how to start your own media ministry.
03:19:27: We knew that this ministry has to be much bigger than Apology of Church. We're grateful to God that He's given us such an amazing platform and ability to reach and to equip and to train so many churches.
03:19:36: We're grateful to God for that, but we knew that it had to actually include other churches as well. You guys need to start your own media ministries to spread the word like Apology of Church.
03:19:46: And so I created, for everybody who is already a part of EndAbortionNow .com, special video training.
03:19:51: More is coming after that on how you can start your own media ministry. I teach you how to do it. And that's free training for everybody who's part of Apologia's ministry,
03:20:01: End Abortion Now. So everything's given away to all these churches. And for those of you guys that gave towards the ministry of End Abortion Now the last couple of years,
03:20:09: I want to say grateful to God for you, and this is the fruit of your labor. So please know that. It's the fruit of your labor.
03:20:14: What's happening right now, you are a part of, and we mean that. So we promised these things to everybody, and now they're all coming out piece by piece, and God's doing big things.
03:20:23: But it's free training, free resources for all the churches, free media training now, how to start your own media ministry.
03:20:30: And now we have the coalition ability where everybody can talk. Give an example. Okay, just a quick example what that looks like for everybody, so you can kind of know what we're aiming at here.
03:20:38: So let's say at the beginning of the year we had something to happen in New York with Governor Cuomo, where he actually put something in and works together to get something working in New York where you can kill babies up to birth.
03:20:50: Now what John Speed did, Pastor John Speed, he owns a bookstore in New York, and he just put a piece of paper on his door, and he said he was closing down for the day in protest and not pay taxes to the state of New York because they're killing babies.
03:21:03: And so what happened was that went crazy, went all over the country like wildfire. He was all over all the news, all the major media platforms.
03:21:12: Fox, I think, had him on and just a bunch of other things. So it's a very big deal, but it was also a lot of churches going, okay, guys, where do we go from here?
03:21:21: So what we were doing is we were actually saying, okay, guys, follow us. It'll look like this. We were in communication with John.
03:21:26: We were trying to let people know as much as we could. We were going to the legislature. We were putting videos up. Here's what we say.
03:21:32: Here's how you preach the gospel to them. And we were trying to encourage people really through our platforms, like, guys, here's what's happening.
03:21:39: Here's what we're doing. And churches followed us into that and started going to the legislature, and they started preaching the gospel to legislatures literally across the
03:21:46: United States of America. And it's been amazing. I mean, now people are talking about abortion as murder. They're talking about criminalizing abortion, banning abortion across the country.
03:21:55: Now you have the pro -aborts across the country up in arms actually now talking about the fact that now we're looking at bans of abortion.
03:22:03: Yeah, we weren't having that conversation seven years ago, eight years ago, like we are now.
03:22:10: So it's the fruit of your labor, brothers and sisters. It's all happening. It's all coming together. And the coalition app now is the ability to talk to each other.
03:22:19: So if something happens, like with John Speed and like the next big push, we're able to get on there together and all talk to each other.
03:22:26: So if you want to be a part of this, you want to talk to Apologia Church, you want to talk to our people, you want to talk to everybody who's doing this ministry, get on the
03:22:34: Appy app. Yeah, get on it, man. Get on it. How do they do it? It's amazing. So what you need to do, what's basically happened already is if you're a church partner with an abortion now, you should have gotten an email to invite you into it.
03:22:47: And we need everybody, all hands on deck to agree to that and get inside and start interacting with each other.
03:22:53: I think one of the questions I get the most is, is there a church in my area who's working on this already?
03:22:59: Can you get me connected to that? The dashboard eliminates that because now you get in there and you're like, okay, there's someone in Dallas, Fort Worth that's working on this already, or they're going to the mill.
03:23:08: I'm going to go with them because they're in my area. So those kinds of things are great. Can you, sorry, can you look up areas on that?
03:23:16: You can look up by member and actually search by location and things to find people in your area.
03:23:22: So dashboard .endabortionnow .com is where you go to request to be added.
03:23:30: You got to write a little description of why you want to be joined to the coalition. We'll approve you.
03:23:35: You'll be able to get in there, start interacting. So everyone has access to the mainframe of the coalition and can communicate with one another, church or not.
03:23:45: But there's a special place. Meaning whether you're part of a church that's officially linked up with us or not.
03:23:52: Correct. Yeah. Yeah. If you're a Christian and you're not in a church, get in a church. Yeah. Okay.
03:23:57: Go ahead. For sure. And then there's a private place where that's for church partners. You get added to that.
03:24:04: You click on it, we'll get you in there. And then you have access to the training resources, all of those things.
03:24:10: You see that in the coalition. Okay. So the front page, the main page is for everybody. And then we have the exclusive page for the church partners that you get into.
03:24:19: We can have conversations in there about, you know, things specifically related to the gospel and church activity and coordinating one another as little churches.
03:24:27: But when you get in, make a profile, say a little bit about yourself, say hello to everyone. You know, it's really like Facebook.
03:24:33: You can reply to each other, you can comment. And it really is just speedy. One of the things that's really cool about the app is you can get notified with push notifications.
03:24:42: So, you know, if something is posted in there, you get the notification on your phone. You go, Oh, what's going on in Alabama right now?
03:24:49: Oh, great. Well, we need to jump on this. Let me write this person back. So that's the thing about this. What makes it so neat is it's instant.
03:24:54: It really removes a lot of the wait time. It was social media. You know, a post goes up and then it takes maybe hours or a few days to mobilize people here.
03:25:04: I feel like we can do it much quicker because we have the ability to communicate in a way that's really fast. Yeah. That's awesome.
03:25:10: That is amazing. So what's up, baby lover? Yeah. Right. Tell me or tell our audience what's up with that shirt.
03:25:18: Yeah. So baby lover, new T -shirts and different colors, red, white and black. The story behind the story behind the shirt is actually just something that caught on an apology at church because we were at the mill one day here in Tempe ministering and there was a couple that walked behind me as I was preaching and calling out and they referred to me in a derogatory sense.
03:25:40: Right. It was, you know, not a not a compliment. They yelled and shouted back at me. You baby lover.
03:25:47: Yeah. And I just remember at the time being so shocked by that. Like this is kind of what we've come to in our nation. It's a pejorative.
03:25:52: A pejorative. People are mocking you or insulting you for loving children and because you were trying to save babies from death.
03:26:00: And they were like, you baby lover. Right. So I just remember at that time, I'll never forget that moment.
03:26:05: I just look back at him and I said, well, what does that make you, you know, and there was no response for that because what's the opposite of a baby lover?
03:26:12: I mean, someone they hate children is what it comes down to. It's an issue of the heart. But anyways, that caught on at church and we just started affectionately calling each other baby lover, you know, as kind of a playful thing.
03:26:24: Yeah. What's up, baby lovers? Yeah. And because we do, I'd called you a church. We love children. You know, we love we love babies. You come to our church.
03:26:30: You see everyone's got kids running around everywhere. You trip over kids. Yeah. I think my wife was estimating we have like 20 some odd babies being born on the way.
03:26:40: So by the time 2019, 2020 rolls around, we're going to have like 22 new babies, newborns.
03:26:48: Yeah. As people say, and you know, and the way churches work, if your church isn't crying, it's dying.
03:26:56: That's right. Yeah. So we take that seriously. You know, the Lord, you ever heard that?
03:27:01: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. It's been a long day. Yeah. So children are a blessing. Fruit of the womb is a heritage.
03:27:07: The Lord requires a godly seed. Baby lover. Bam. There it is. We're going to actually have those shirts up at our shop soon.
03:27:18: They're coming soon. So it'll be shop .apologiastudios .com. So here's what I'm going to do. I just decided this. I didn't ask you.
03:27:24: If you're on the app, this is incentive to get the app. We will send you a special coupon code that you get only for that when the shirts come out.
03:27:34: So that's fire. Yeah. And these shirts are really nice. Really comfy. Yeah.
03:27:39: Just as a bonus. Get the app. All right, guys. So if you guys are just getting on here, what we're talking about is end abortion.
03:27:45: Now God doing big things, saving thousands of children. Now Christians going across the country.
03:27:51: Now speaking to the local legislature that all started because of your work together with us within abortion. Now it's amazing.
03:27:58: It's humbling. It's powerful. God's doing amazing things. Conversation across the country now is talking about abortion in terms of murder and in terms of bans and criminalization.
03:28:07: That is a work of the Christian church across the United States of America. That's what God is doing with a faithful proclamation of the gospel.
03:28:13: We have new media training coming up for everybody who's a part of endabortionnow .com. You get free training, free resources.
03:28:19: Everything's given away to local churches to get involved in this work. But now I've actually just completed video series stuff for you guys to actually learn how to create your own media platforms to start communicating as churches in the same way that we are.
03:28:32: And so that's all there for endabortionnow .com. It's all coming in the next couple of weeks even.
03:28:37: Carmen, our director and is the head of everything in the back. He is putting something together for all of you guys to learn how to use the camera equipment and the editing software, how to edit things, how to upload things, all that stuff.
03:28:50: We're going to train you guys in everything you need, but now we have this next phase. We need to be able to all talk to each other, and so that's what this app is for.
03:28:58: The coalition is for that, so you guys can get to know each other. You can talk to each other, and Zach is exactly right.
03:29:03: The big part of this is that when something big happens that we all need to be a part of together, we need to work together on.
03:29:10: Communication happens on that app, and the coalition gets started. You all work together. That's what it's for. So praise
03:29:15: God for everybody who's a part of right now. This is a big deal. It really truly is.
03:29:21: If you're a part of endabortionnow .com and you know other churches that also are, please share this video with them.
03:29:28: Please get the word out to them. We're sending our emails. We're doing everything we can, but some people maybe aren't media savvy.
03:29:34: They don't spend a lot of time on these platforms, maybe. Make sure they get the word, too. Make sure they know they can be a part of the coalition.
03:29:41: They can start communicating and talking to each other. This is also an easy way for us to talk to you guys all at once, and so if you are not part of the churches that are already linked up with endabortionnow .com,
03:29:52: you are still invited to be part of the coalition and start talking, but if you are in particular a part of the churches that are already a part of endabortionnow .com,
03:30:00: what's that look like for them? It's just the same location. It's just in the coalition.
03:30:06: There's another tab that you go to, and it just says church partners. Okay. Boom. You jump in there, and you can talk to each other. You can make posts in there.
03:30:12: It's just like Facebook. I mean, what's on your mind or what's going on? Post, title. You can attach pictures in there, links, video, maybe a footage at the mill or footage before city council.
03:30:24: We're always needing things like that to show people, so share that stuff, man. I mean, put it in there, and we'll get it and put it up for the world to see because that's the amazing thing about this, too, is
03:30:35: God's using this kind of activity from churches in the platform to bring other local churches into this.
03:30:40: Yeah. That's, I think, a key thing is that when this all started, churches started getting involved and actually doing what we were doing because they were hearing us tell our story.
03:30:50: So we were on Apology Air Radio. We would just say, hey, God saved a baby this Saturday, and then next thing you know, churches were like, well, how do we do it?
03:30:56: And so that's how it all began. It really started because one church was a testimony to other churches, and then they started going, and then same thing happened for the legislature.
03:31:05: We went. Next thing you know, other people went, and then more people went, and then more people went, and then it was like little kids going up and speaking to their magistrates.
03:31:12: What kind of courage is that? Starting riots. Yeah. Little kids preaching the gospel and like, you know, riot breaking out.
03:31:19: I mean, that's awesome. That's first century acts kind of stuff, y 'all, and I like it. Yeah.
03:31:24: We couldn't even get that. Yeah. That kind of reaction. Yeah, that kind of reaction. That's powerful stuff.
03:31:30: All right, guys. So address one more time dashboard .endabortionnow .com.
03:31:36: Okay. Simple enough. And if you're not a part of endabortionnow .com right now, if you haven't gotten your free training and free resources, go talk to your pastors, get them connected, endabortionnow .com,
03:31:49: get signed up with your local church. We're going to give you free training, free resources. We don't want anything from your church.
03:31:54: We just want to bless your church. We want to help your church do this work. That's what it's all about. And so if you would get connected, endabortionnow .com.
03:32:02: Thank you guys for watching. Make sure you guys spread this message as far and as wide as you can.
03:32:08: Shares do make a difference. They do. This isn't about us. It's not about us in any way.
03:32:14: The message here is what's important. And these shares make a big deal. They change things.
03:32:20: And so when you share this information, get the word out, it mobilizes the church and it gets us on our feet.
03:32:26: So share this content. Make sure you guys get it out as soon as you can. All right. That's Luke the Bear. Peace out. I'm Jeff and that's
03:32:32: Zach. See ya. And we'll catch you guys next time. I was born in Las Vegas and some of my best, favorite, most emotional, intimate memories are from when
03:33:00: I was a little boy and I would go to visit family in Las Vegas.
03:33:06: And I remember distinctly, really distinctly, always flying into Las Vegas at nighttime.
03:33:15: And I remember looking out the window of the airplane always as a little boy. My favorite moment when we were coming into Las Vegas and you could see just darkness, but this city lighting up everything.
03:33:30: And I remember as a little boy, just thinking how glorious it looked and how beautiful and amazing.
03:33:37: And I was in awe of this city that I was born in. And I remember the feeling of just seeing just pure darkness and this light just lighting up the darkness.
03:33:52: And to this day, whenever I'm traveling or doing ministry and we get to come through Vegas, one of my favorite things to do is to come into Las Vegas at nighttime and see the lights lighting everything up.
03:34:07: And it's amazing too, because if you look around this incredible spectacle in the desert, you see just the lights and the veneer, but underneath the surface of all of this is this intense, idolatry, rebellion and opposition.
03:34:32: You see here is a city that is called what? Sin City.
03:34:39: What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas. That's the motto, right? People come here from all over the world.
03:34:46: I mean, you walk down the streets here just tonight, you can hear accents from all over the world,
03:34:51: Ireland, Scotland, England, Africa, everywhere. I mean, it's all represented on the street here.
03:34:58: And people come here from all over the world to party, to engage in the pursuit of pleasure.
03:35:07: It's underneath all of this. All of the lights in darkness here is just a veneer.
03:35:12: It's just on the surface. And underneath it is this intense rebellion and pursuit of pleasure.
03:35:18: There is the pursuit of drugs and alcohol and sex, sex without consequences, only it has a tremendous amount of consequences.
03:35:30: Underneath all of this sex without consequences, the idolatry of sexual morality is the consequence of life, the beauty of life, the forming of a new life.
03:35:44: And in this town, in this city with no consequences and where what happens here stays here, you have the consequence of all of the sexual immorality and all the rest.
03:35:56: And you have the consequence, which is really glorious consequence. And that's life, the beauty of life.
03:36:03: And in this town, you have Planned Parenthood and the abortion facilities that actually address the consequences of what happens here, stays here.
03:36:14: And you have children every single day in the city and in the state that are killed as a result of this kind of a lifestyle.
03:36:24: And it's really an amazing blessing to see that since God formed
03:36:29: End Abortion Now through Apologia Church, we have churches in Nevada and in Las Vegas who are bringing the gospel into this city in the darkness, into the context of the pursuit of pleasure, the gospel to the abortion mill, saving lives.
03:36:50: It's incredible, actually, when you think about that experience I had as a little boy flying into the darkness and then seeing this city in the darkness, lighting up the darkness.
03:37:05: It's really actually how Jesus describes the church, is that that's our mission.
03:37:12: Our mission is to be salt. Salt is a preservative. It actually stops things from spoil and decay.
03:37:18: It's not just to make things taste better. It's to stop things from spoil and decay and rot.
03:37:24: And Jesus says that we're the light of the world. We're the ones that actually set light into darkness and light dispels darkness.
03:37:32: And that really is the mission of the church in the world. People ask the question, should we be involved in bringing the gospel in the area of abortion?
03:37:40: I mean, isn't it enough just to be pro -life within the walls of the church and pro -life between our ears and in our homes?
03:37:46: Is that enough? And the answer is no, not according to Jesus in his most famous sermon.
03:37:52: He calls us to be salt that actually stops things from spoil and decay. And he calls us to be light that dispels the darkness.
03:37:59: We're supposed to be, as the church, the city in darkness. That when people actually look into the world and all the darkness in the world, it's the people of God that are lighting up the darkness.
03:38:11: We're supposed to be that incredible spectacle in the desert, this wasteland of lostness and sin in the world.
03:38:20: We're supposed to be that amazing spectacle of light that is just blazing out of the darkness and dispelling the darkness.
03:38:29: That's the mission of the church. And you can be a part of it. We actually have lights right now in the desert, bringing the gospel into the area of abortion.
03:38:39: And you can actually sign up your church and bring the gospel into conflict with abortion and you can save lives.
03:38:47: Just a couple of days ago, we learned about four lives saved just in one morning. Thousands of lives have been saved.
03:38:54: You can be a part of being that light and that salt. Just go to endabortionnow .com
03:39:01: and you can get your church signed up for free, get free training and get free resources to be a part of the mission of the church, to be that light in the darkness, to be that salt that stops things from spoiling decay and to bring the gospel into conflict with the issue of abortion.
03:39:17: You can sign up right now for free. Free training, free resources, everything is given away to your local church.
03:39:24: Just go to endabortionnow .com. Hey guys,
03:39:33: Jeff Durbin with End Abortion Now, here with Senator Joseph Silk in Oklahoma.
03:39:38: Very excited to be here with you. Yeah, thanks for being here. Yeah, so you may not like me saying this, but I'm going to say something right now.
03:39:44: This is the hero senator that all of us have been waiting for and looking for. He actually put in something, it was, what was it, two years ago?
03:39:53: Two years ago. You did SB 1118.
03:39:58: SB 1118. We put some stuff out in the past to try to notify people about that, but it was essentially shut down dead.
03:40:06: It was. And now you have SB 13. Yes. What's the difference? As far as the end game of both pieces of legislation, they're essentially the same.
03:40:15: Both SB 1118 and SB 13 would end the practice of abortion in Oklahoma. The movement and momentum behind the support for SB 13 is much larger than SB 1118 was, and SB 13 has definitely gotten a lot more attention in the legislative area of the state.
03:40:37: So, you are fighting this from a perspective that sounds very different than is typical in the pro -life movement, pro -life rhetoric, just this whole fight all together.
03:40:46: We were at the rally earlier today in the Capitol building, and we heard things like murder.
03:40:53: We heard things like criminalize. We heard things like abolish. Very, very different than we're used to with the pro -life movement generally.
03:40:59: So, can you explain to everybody who's watching, what's the difference in terms of a pro -life track to sort of mess around the edges of abortion and what you're doing right now?
03:41:11: Right. So essentially, pro -life legislation, which all of the pro -life groups and even the large church institutions and those bills that those people have offered up and supported essentially have kept abortion legal.
03:41:25: So, a good example of a pro -life bill, which some people would automatically think, that's a good idea.
03:41:32: So, in Oklahoma, we have the 72 -hour waiting period. So, if you find out you're pregnant and you want to go have an abortion, you have to wait 72 hours.
03:41:39: Now, once you wait 72 hours, you go ahead and kill that baby, and it's fine. The Down Syndrome Bill. So, you can't kill your baby just because you find out it has
03:41:49: Down Syndrome. If it doesn't have Down Syndrome, you go ahead and kill your baby. The ultrasound bill.
03:41:54: If you find out you're pregnant and you want to have an abortion, you have to go view an ultrasound. Once you see the picture of the baby and you still want to kill it, go ahead.
03:42:03: So, if that makes sense, that pro -life legislation that we have on the books is essentially allowing abortion to legal.
03:42:13: It really wasn't Roe v. Wade. It's pro -life legislation that's doing it. What Senate Bill 13 does is it defines life beginning at the moment of fertilization, and it offers equal protection for that life through all stages.
03:42:25: And so, essentially, a good way to look at it would be if a mother were to kill, or a dad, or a doctor, or anybody were to kill a one -year -old child, they'd be held accountable for it because the government needs to uphold justice.
03:42:41: We're offering the same protections as a one -year -old child does, down to a three -week -old child in the womb.
03:42:47: So, consistency. Yeah, it's absolutely consistent. Basically, it says all life is created equal, and all life deserves protection, and that's what the state of Oklahoma is going to do.
03:42:56: So, that's very different in terms of how pro -life legislators and pro -life activists have gone about fighting this for the last four decades.
03:43:05: They've actually helped in many ways, and you just mentioned it, in terms of keeping abortion legal at the state.
03:43:11: That's not Roe v. Wade. It's actually the pro -life legislation that actually promotes, and helps, and activates the whole problem.
03:43:19: You're actually speaking in terms of consistency. Consistency, under the law itself, and consistency of biological science.
03:43:28: From the moment of conception, all the biological components of a human being are there. From conception, all human life we protect.
03:43:35: Now, that's supposed to be normative, but it's not for the unborn. I think it's an interesting point to be made in terms of, as people are thinking about now, the paradigm shift, the mindset shift, in terms of consistency.
03:43:49: In New York recently, they're celebrating and applauding because we can kill up to birth, and people are shocked by that.
03:43:55: Of course, we should be shocked by it. Of course, it's horrible, and dismembering a little baby is an awful, evil thing, and it's extra bloody, but they were fighting for consistency the whole time.
03:44:06: That's one of the things the pro -life movement, I think, has lost in this, is that while we've been in the pro -life movement, playing around the edges, and trying to make this soft, and don't be too aggressive, this could die, sort of a thing.
03:44:17: The pro -choicers and people who are pro -abortion have been fighting for consistency. They say,
03:44:23: I ought to be able to kill an unborn child. So, what's the difference between 20 weeks or 40 weeks? So, what you're doing here is a consistent bill, consistent with the law itself, consistent with biological science.
03:44:35: That's a human being from conception. It cannot be refuted, and it ought to be protected. Right. No, that's exactly right.
03:44:42: It's essentially taking the Constitution. Our Constitution protects life, and it's saying all life, no matter what stage you are in, deserves the right to be protected by the government, and that's what
03:44:54: Senate Bill 13 does. Right. So, this is a bill that would actually flat -out end abortion in the state of Oklahoma.
03:45:01: That's exactly what it would do. If Senate Bill 13 were to pass the legislature and be signed into law immediately upon signage, all abortions would have to cease in the state of Oklahoma.
03:45:09: Now, I need everyone to stop for a minute and to think of what was just said. This isn't legislation that is going to keep abortion legal in some circumstances.
03:45:18: This is going to criminalize and abolish completely done. Abortion is over in Oklahoma.
03:45:24: That's exactly right. That's the goal. Yeah. And that's what we're all shooting for, supposed to be. Yeah. So, what's your opposition?
03:45:31: So, we have two oppositions right now. Naturally, you have the far left, extremely liberal, you know, the people who are celebrating the
03:45:38: New York legislation, stuff like that, the Planned Parenthood folks. Naturally, they're completely opposed to Senate Bill 13.
03:45:45: But we also have the pro -life organizations that are actively opposing Senate Bill 13.
03:45:51: Pro -life organizations are opposing a bill to end abortion. Yeah. Well, it's important to note, and up until now, up until recently, within the last couple of years, people didn't understand that the pro -life organizations,
03:46:04: National Rights for Life, Oklahomans for Life, and other ones, their goal was never to end abortion.
03:46:10: And it never has been. That's why their legislation has never been aimed at ending abortion. And they are opposing
03:46:16: Senate Bill 13 because it does indeed end abortion. And they are just terrified that we would actually do that and that it could possibly be thrown out in the courts.
03:46:26: And there's a lot of legal stuff we can talk about. But that's why they are, the pro -life organizations, are in absolute opposition to Senate Bill 13 because it would end abortion.
03:46:35: And this is important, too, in terms of reference. If you guys would go back, when you did SB 1118 years ago, we found out that there was some opposition coming from National Rights for Life Vice President Tony Lowinger, sweet man.
03:46:49: But we saw there was opposition, so we were able to get a phone call with him. That's available for you guys if you just go search
03:46:55: Jeff Durbin and Tony Lowinger. You'll see that interview to confirm what Senator is saying right now.
03:47:02: So what's interesting here is that you'll often hear, well, Senator, if SB 13 is actually signed into law, then that does away with all the pro -life legislation.
03:47:13: All these years of hard work, everything that we've worked for is just erased. Yeah, and it has to be because it's that pro -life legislation that's keeping abortion legal.
03:47:22: Can you say that one more time? It's the pro -life legislation that we have put on the books over the past 42 years that is keeping abortion legal.
03:47:29: So a lot of people try to kick it back to Roe v. Wade, and they'll say, well, I wish Roe v. Wade would be overturned, which it never will be.
03:47:35: They will not overturn Roe v. Wade. But let's just suppose that the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade tomorrow.
03:47:41: Oklahoma would still have abortions legal because of the pro -life legislation.
03:47:47: And that's what you've got to understand. It's not Roe v. Wade. It's the pro -life legislation that is protecting the abortion industry.
03:47:53: So the way to end abortion is at the state level. Exactly. Yeah, the states have the legal authority to stand up and say, we are going to uphold the
03:48:01: Constitution, and we as a state will no longer tolerate or legalize or allow the murder of innocent children because the
03:48:09: Supreme Court does not have the authority to authorize that or make that legal. And that's a question that I ask a lot of legislators that campaign on being pro -life.
03:48:18: Be like, do you think that the state of Oklahoma or any other state has to have the permission and the blessing of the
03:48:24: Supreme Court to protect innocent children? And they usually can't answer that question.
03:48:30: Okay, so we need to know how we can help. Right. This is an issue of justice.
03:48:36: It's an issue of mercy. It's an issue that surrounds the fundamental basis of life and truth and human dignity and value.
03:48:44: And it is the mission of my life right now to make sure that we can be a blessing to you and to help you and to serve you.
03:48:50: So where are we at? Help everyone know that's watching this right now. We want you to partner with Senator Sok to get this passed and to bring justice, at least to start with in one state,
03:49:02: Oklahoma. And then we know it'll spread from there. But where are we at right now?
03:49:08: Help us understand where we are right now. How much time do we have? And then what do we need to do to partner with you to help bring justice to Oklahoma?
03:49:14: Okay, so right now, Senate Bill 13 has been the first step is it has been assigned to Health and Human Services Committee.
03:49:21: The chairman, so in Oklahoma, the chairman of that committee has the authority to allow that bill to be heard and debated and voted on.
03:49:30: Or he also has the authority to block it and say, no, we're not even going to discuss this bill. I have had conversations with him.
03:49:36: He hasn't told me we're not going to hear it. But he also hasn't committed that he will hear it. So right now, that's where it sits.
03:49:44: It sits waiting to be heard in the Health and Human Services Committee. So what has to happen is
03:49:50: Senator Jason Smalley, he's the chairman, he needs to hear from everyone.
03:49:55: His email box needs to be flooded. Please give Senate Bill 13 a hearing. Call his office.
03:50:01: He is the one person right now that is solely responsible for the fate of abolishing abortion in Oklahoma.
03:50:06: Let's hang there for one second. Senator Smalley, S -M -A -L -L -E -Y.
03:50:12: Correct. Senator Smalley needs to hear from the entire nation. And it's important, it's not important for you to notify them where you're from.
03:50:20: What's important is that you send emails right now, this very moment. Do not wait till later to do it.
03:50:26: Don't say, I'll plan on getting to it in five minutes. As you're watching this, start developing that email, get the email ready.
03:50:32: And in the subject line, you want to say, hear SB 13 immediately. So that would be the subject line, hear
03:50:40: SB 13 immediately. Make sure you have a body to the email and a signature. Again, you don't need to necessarily tell them where you're from.
03:50:48: You just need to immediately write that email to Smalley. Senator Jason Smalley, yes.
03:50:54: Okay, to Senator Jason Smalley. And the email was? Smalley at OKSenate .gov.
03:51:00: Smalley at OKSenate .gov. Smalley at OKSenate .gov.
03:51:07: Do it right now. And then also they can contact Senator Smalley's office. They can. And call and say, hear the bill.
03:51:13: Yep. So if you go to OKSenate .gov, you can go to legislators, you can pull up his office number and try to talk to him directly over the phone.
03:51:21: And you can also verify you have the correct email and everything else. Okay, excellent. Okay. So then what comes after that?
03:51:27: The world sends Senator Smalley messages and he hears it on the floor. Okay, so say this works.
03:51:33: Senator Smalley says, okay, the people have spoken. We're going to hear this bill. The very next step is we have to lobby the committee members.
03:51:42: So at that time, again, go to OKSenate .gov, look for committees, and it'll have standing committees, the
03:51:49: Health and Human Services Committee. So you can contact, I think there's maybe 10 people on there. Contact all those people.
03:51:55: Vote yes for Senate Bill 13. Vote yes for Senate Bill 13. And so we have to lobby the committee. Once that's done, then we can move on to the next committee.
03:52:03: And we have about two and a half weeks to make all that happen. Okay, excellent. That's probably good for now, right? Yes. Right now, that's good because those are two really big steps.
03:52:10: Important steps. Very good. So I want everyone just to hear this. Very important. This is an issue of partisan politics.
03:52:17: This isn't about, hey, everybody, rally around Senator Joseph Silk and make sure you put a sign in your yard and vote for Senator Silk, even though, you know,
03:52:26: I hope the best for you there. This is an issue of justice and righteousness and truth in the land.
03:52:33: And the way that we can support right now is not merely through prayer. But yes, please pray for Senator Silk.
03:52:40: Please pray for his family. Please pray for the team that's around him, supporting him and helping right now. But the way that we can help right now is actually putting legs to all this.
03:52:48: And that is by sending a message to Senator Smalley at Smalley at OKSenate .gov.
03:52:55: Subject line here, SB13 immediately. Make a body to the email and then just sign it.
03:53:00: We need one million emails to go to Senator Smalley immediately. And of course, again, through the prayer and then the actual legs to this, put it in action.
03:53:10: Actually send the email, make a phone call. And that's what will get us to the next step. That's right.
03:53:16: And the goal here for you is what? And I'll just get real personal. Why are you doing this? Are you crazy?
03:53:23: What's wrong with you? Well, actually, a lot of people ask that. They're like, you know, why are you doing that? And it's one of those things I ran for office on.
03:53:29: I look at abortion as the greatest sin that our country has committed. I mean, it's even worse than slavery.
03:53:36: Killing, slaughtering innocent children, it's unbelievable. And obviously just to stand up for basic human rights and say, let's protect innocent children.
03:53:44: That's the reason I ran for office. I quickly found out that the way that groups are doing it is inadequate and incorrect and causing to the problem.
03:53:52: So that's why. I mean, I would much rather be at home playing with my kids right now, but somebody has to do this.
03:53:59: You know, what's amazing is you're not really radical. This isn't radical. No. It's just what we've been saying all along.
03:54:05: It's just consistent. Yep. And I want to thank you. Thank you. I want to thank you for your faithfulness. I want to thank you for your consistency.
03:54:12: I want to thank you for your standing for justice. We're with you. We're behind you. I appreciate it. Okay. Thank you, brother. Thank you. All right.
03:54:17: Thank you for having me. My name is
03:54:23: Marcus Pittman. I'm a documentary filmmaker and I live in Mesa, Arizona, and that's why
03:54:30: I'm messing with my mic because I'm a filmmaker. I just want to say that the reason
03:54:35: I am here is because I am seeing people all over this nation go to their local city councils and they're telling people in their city councils to stop the madness, to stop.
03:54:51: And here's the thing. I'm here today. I've been to Arizona. I've been to Washington, D .C.
03:54:57: and people are rising up all over the country. I've been to Oklahoma and people are rising up and they're demanding that their council members do what the pro -life organizations haven't done in 46 years and it's just to end it.
03:55:13: So I am against, I'm actually against you guys sending a letter to Andrew Cuomo.
03:55:21: I'm telling you to stop it. If Andrew Cuomo were to have legalized rape, if he were to have legalized child molestation, if he were to have legalized sex trafficking,
03:55:39: I wouldn't ask you guys to send a letter. I would ask you guys to go and demand that all those people come to Batavia.
03:55:48: And the reason that we're talking about a letter is because you guys don't believe that abortion is actually murder.
03:55:56: If you actually believed that abortion was murder, you would be standing up with us begging the children to come to Batavia.
03:56:06: But we're sitting here and we're discussing this like it's something up for debate.
03:56:12: So let me remind you of the Fugitive Slave Act. The Supreme Court issued the Fugitive Slave Act that said if a slave flees and he is captured in the
03:56:23: North, he is to be returned to his owner. And the state of Wisconsin said no.
03:56:30: They will be free and they defied the Supreme Court. They defied the
03:56:35: Supreme Court. They said no. That is an unethical, immoral law. Black people are not property.
03:56:42: Slaves are not property. And we're sitting here debating abortion and I'm sorry,
03:56:47: I know there's people here that said, well here's proof that a baby in the womb is a baby. You guys know that a baby in the womb is a baby.
03:56:54: We don't have to prove that to you guys. Are you serious? Are you kidding me?
03:56:59: We're sitting here looking at signs with babies on it, but a woman doesn't sit there and think they have a clump of cells when they go to pay someone to murder their child.
03:57:10: They don't walk out of tears with, my friend over here says, people don't walk out of abortion, they walk out of abortion clinics in tears, but they don't go to the dermatologist, get a mole removed and walk away with tears.
03:57:23: Why are we discussing this? Why are we having this conversation? It's so silly.
03:57:29: And years from now, Jesus Christ, the king of the universe, he's going to end abortion.
03:57:34: He's either going to do it in Batavia or he's going to do it somewhere else. And history is going to show years from now that we were sitting here discussing this, pretending to be rational, when the truth is that it's ridiculous to even discuss it.
03:57:50: It's ridiculous. And Jesus Christ is Lord and he says in Psalm chapter 2, for the rulers of the earth to kiss the sun, lest they perish.
03:58:00: That means to obey his law. And we know God's law. Thou shall not murder.
03:58:07: And I ask you, I beg you to stop discussing this and end it. And when
03:58:12: Andrew Cuomo takes your letter and he rips it up, I beg you to defy tyranny, just like the great people in scripture did when they defied tyranny and they said, repent.
03:58:28: I beg that you guys do that, too, in the name of our king, Jesus Christ, who's ruling and reigning today.
03:58:33: Thank you. Good afternoon.
03:58:48: My name is James White. I am a minister, a author, and a professor.
03:58:54: In April of 1945, American forces were moving into the heart of Germany and they freed a city called
03:59:03: Weimar. It's a beautiful little city. Right up on the hill outside of Weimar was a very large camp.
03:59:10: We know it today as the Buchenwald concentration camp. What they found there has become the stuff of legend.
03:59:16: It wasn't as large as Auschwitz. It wasn't as large as Dachau. But, for example, the camp superintendent's wife, she was fascinated by human skin.
03:59:28: She had a lampshade made out of human skin. She was fascinated by tattoos, so she would have people killed and have their tattoos preserved.
03:59:37: The kind of horrific things that took place in Buchenwald over years so shocked the
03:59:44: American leadership that when Dwight D. Eisenhower and General Patton toured the camp, General Patton commanded that the mayor and magistrates and leading citizens of Weimar be forced to tour the camp to see what had been done right under their eyes for many years.
04:00:04: Now, most of us would say that that was a moral act on the part of the Americans. The question that I have is history looks very much askance at the citizens of Weimar.
04:00:16: They did nothing. They said, Verhappen ist gewusst. We didn't know. How could they not know what was going on within plain view up there on the hill?
04:00:26: They knew, but they kept their eyes down. They didn't want to see, and so history has treated them very, very poorly.
04:00:34: The question I have for us today is, how will history treat us? Because the reality is within the borders of the city of Phoenix, more innocent children have been killed in equally gruesome ways than were ever killed in the
04:00:51: Buchenwald concentration camp in the entire years that it was in operation. How will history look at us?
04:00:59: Will there be a General Patton that has to rise from the dead and force us to walk through the abortuaries? But I don't think history is the most important thing.
04:01:09: How will the judge of all history look upon us when we stand before him? He knows whether we knew or not, and we live in a day where there's no reason not to know what's going on, not to know the humanity of the pre -born child.
04:01:24: Will he look upon the donations that we received from Planned Parenthood? Will he see those things?
04:01:30: I ask you, please, make the city of Phoenix a sanctuary city for pre -born children.
04:01:39: Save us from the infamy and the cowardice of Weimar. Thank you very much.
04:01:53: Esteemed Phoenix City Council, thank you once again for the opportunity to speak to you today. My name is
04:01:58: Reverend Luke Pearson. I am the Discipleship Pastor at Apologia Church in Mesa and co -founder of End Abortion Now.
04:02:04: You all know by now why we come here to speak to you. It is to protect the lives of our pre -born neighbors, your very own pre -born constituents, to encourage you to uphold
04:02:13: Arizona revised statute 13 -3603 calling abortion murder, to plead with you to make
04:02:20: Phoenix a sanctuary city for these beautiful children, to allow these precious little ones an opportunity to have their inalienable rights that were granted to them by our forefathers and by their creator.
04:02:32: We are extremely grateful that you allow your citizens this time to voice our concerns. My question for you all today, however, is do you seriously care when we come up here to speak?
04:02:44: Do you genuinely care what the citizens under your jurisdiction are concerned with? The same ones that have voted you into power and the same ones that can vote you out.
04:02:53: We, the people, are ultimately the ones that you are accountable to. You can say with your mouth that you care but your actions speak otherwise.
04:03:04: You have moved citizen comments to the end and we know that you're required to not sit here and listen to us. And by the way,
04:03:12: I'm not sure who the gentleman was earlier that came up. As soon as our time came up to speak, he started talking to all you guys and distracting you, which
04:03:20: I will say is frustrating for us. Mayor Gallego, I thank you for your attention this week.
04:03:27: As I noticed last time we were here, you got up and left in the middle of a mentally challenged man speaking, so thank you for your attention today.
04:03:33: I appreciate that. I would like to speak to Councilman DeCiccio. Unfortunately, I see he's not here again today, but I will say this and I hope he's able to hear this.
04:03:43: Sir, I must express my disappointment in you. You sat here and told us how pro -life you are and how you support our endeavors.
04:03:50: That last time we were here, while attending via your phone, you hung up in the middle of a brave young mother pleading for the lives of these children.
04:03:58: Respectfully, sir, your pro -life words are meaningless if your actions do not back them up. And the same goes for you,
04:04:04: Councilman Waring. You are supported by Arizona's largest pro -life groups and yet you continue to sneer and grin and have the time don't pay attention when we are pleading for life.
04:04:14: Respectfully, sir, it is also your time to back up your pro -life label with your actions. Today, I plead with you to do the hard thing.
04:04:22: Please do not ignore us. The easy thing is to pretend like 40 precious babies are not being murdered in their mother's wombs every day in this state.
04:04:31: The painless thing is to not consider how incredible it is that your very own mothers chose life for you.
04:04:38: The cowardly thing is not trying to visualize children being torn limb from limb or imagining the sound of a tiny skull being crushed by a pair of metal forceps held in the hands of a hired assassin or wondering what it must feel like to be chemically burned alive in your mother's womb.
04:04:56: Please be brave. Please be courageous. If you have any questions, please visit EndAbortionNow .com.
04:05:02: To God alone be the glory. Thank you. out of local churches to once and for all end abortion.
04:05:38: We also wanted to actually begin a cultural movement to bring the light of the gospel into the conversation of abortion.
04:05:46: We knew we needed to do that through media. We wanted to actually inundate platforms globally with millions and millions of views with a focus on the gospel itself in conflict with abortion.
04:05:59: We also wanted to begin the process of raising up these local churches to bring the gospel to their local legislatures.
04:06:06: Since we began, since you started this ministry with us years ago, since you gave towards this ministry, since you participated with us in this ministry,
04:06:16: God has raised up almost 500 local churches globally. The amazing thing to us is that these local churches were not only starting this ministry to save lives, to use the gospel, and to work towards an immediate end of abortion in the
04:06:31: United States of America, but at this point we have churches that are doing this in Australia, New Zealand, all over North America, that's the
04:06:39: United States and Canada, and even now in Ireland itself. Through your participation with End Abortion Now, God has saved literally thousands of children from death.
04:06:50: At this point, we have no ability to count how many babies are being saved. I want to give you an update about 2019.
04:06:58: Many of you guys partnered with us, you prayed with us, you gave towards 2019 in our ministry and mission, and what
04:07:04: God has done has been absolutely incredible. Not only have we been able to save thousands of children from death, not only have we raised up just so many local churches globally to bring the gospel to their local abortion mills and to demand an immediate end to abortion, we were able to once again spread the message of the gospel in conflict with abortion through media around the globe.
04:07:25: We did this through regular platforms like Facebook and YouTube, and we were of course able to actually produce the documentary
04:07:32: Babies Are Still Murdered Here with Marcus Pitman. Not only did Babies Are Still Murdered Here break all the records of the last film, but Babies Are Still Murdered Here is available on YouTube and Facebook and Amazon Prime.
04:07:46: This film is being seen globally, and what this film does is it actually communicates the gospel itself in conflict with abortion, and it demonstrates the failures of the pro -life movements to work consistently to once and for all criminalize, end, and abolish abortion.
04:08:03: Through your partnership with End Abortion Now in 2019, you were able to be a part of what God started through this movement, and that is local churches going to their local legislatures demanding an immediate end to abortion, preaching the good news of Jesus Christ to their local legislatures, and demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities, in their towns, in their states.
04:08:25: You were a part of that. You helped to make that happen. This happened across the United States of America, and it was everybody from pastors to little children demanding an immediate end to abortion in their cities.
04:08:36: You helped to start that movement to bring Christians to their legislatures to demand the criminalization, the end, the abolishment of abortion in the
04:08:45: United States of America. Through your partnership in 2019, you helped us to equip and to send out kits to local churches across the
04:08:54: United States of America to train those churches, and you were able to help us so that we were doing this completely for free for those churches.
04:09:01: It was no cost whatsoever to them. You also helped us through your partnership to actually begin a platform where all of these local churches can communicate with one another minute by minute to coordinate, to bring the good news into their cities, into their towns, into their states.
04:09:19: You also helped us to produce content that would equip these churches to begin their own media ministry so that we could begin the transformation of the culture with the light of the gospel across all social media platforms.
04:09:31: In 2019, all of this work began because you were a part of it with us at the beginning of the year, and we want to say thank you for everything you did with us in 2019.
04:09:40: We're grateful to God for all that he's done, and truly, this thing is just beginning. In 2020, we have a very big year ahead of us.
04:09:49: Now that all the pieces are in place, now that we've actually raised up nearly 500 local churches to do this movement with us, now that we've been able to equip these churches completely for free, now that they're out saving thousands of lives, and now that Christians are beginning the process of speaking to their legislatures with the message of the gospel demanding an immediate end to abortion, and now that we are flooding the media with the content of the gospel in conflict with abortion, we're ready to have 2020 be the first year, we pray, that there would be sanctuary cities and an end of abortion in cities, states, and in this nation.
04:10:28: That's what we're working towards in 2020. All of the platforms have been laid down. All of the foundations are there.
04:10:34: 2020 is the year where, God willing, we are hoping to raise up so many more churches to begin this work with us to save thousands more lives, but also to work together as a team with all those churches to once and for all end, criminalize, and abolish abortion in our nation.
04:10:54: Because you joined together with us, because you served alongside of us, and because you partnered with us in ministry, you made all this possible.
04:11:02: All of the thousands of children that are alive today because of Christians going out to preach the gospel in this issue, they're alive today because of your work together with us.
04:11:11: So we're humbled by it, we're grateful for it, and we want to ask you, whether you've participated with us before or not, to prayerfully consider giving towards this work for 2020 to end abortion, to criminalize it once and for all, and to do it as Christians.
04:11:29: Help us in 2020 to once and for all end this.
04:11:35: Help us to shut these places down and help us to do it with the message of the gospel.