Eye-opening Show On Justice
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Jeff and Zach set some standards for the conversation about Justice today. This is a must listen for anyone concerned with social issues and in particular those interested in the discussion about social justice. This is a Highlight from our full length weekly Apologia Radio broadcast.
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- That nobody's getting away. There's cosmic justice Here's the thing if you're in Christ by the grace of God through the gift of faith, it's all to God's glory
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- He's done all this work That means that God's justice that you deserve and I deserve
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- Seriously deserve I deserve to go to hell for my sins in my life I deserve to die all of that justice due to me and you and these guys right here was actually given to Jesus It wasn't ignored.
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- It wasn't neglected. It was actually penalized in Jesus so watch in our case.
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- No one's getting off scot -free No one is neglected the justice due to you was fully absorbed in Jesus Christ He took it all so watch that that justice.
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- Do you? Gone only because not a neglectful God But a
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- God who actually is just right and the justifier the one who has faith in Jesus But in terms of those who are not in Christ who will face the judgment seat of God one day that cosmic justice will actually be
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- Exacted on that day and they will suffer the consequences of eternal separation from God Because that justice will not be neglected
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- So the point is is that unbelievers today have a hard time with a system of justice
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- Earthly justice because they so want to make sure that justice is upheld that they're even willing to allow
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- Probably maybe possibly innocent people to go away So just to make sure that there is justice for victims
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- God's law is the just system But God's law has a eye on the preservation of the innocent to make sure that they aren't
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- Condemned and I'll talk about that for a second in terms of the the defiling of the land Conversation earlier in terms of Justice the land the innocent that I think that's a really important element and then guys hang on because we're gonna start playing clips from leaving
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- Netherlands and a Neverland and some other clips of Accusers and those sorts of things.
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- Well, I think it starts with right where you landed Which is that God is the just just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus So in Christ is the punishment for our guilt, right?
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- So Christ is the perfect victim He's the only innocent man to ever live and he made no
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- Bones about just going straight to his death and being that innocent victim that was put to death so that the justice of God would
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- Fall on him rather than fall on us who have faith in him, right? So that's that's gospel 101 but in terms of if you look at Scripture the law of God makes such a
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- Protection for the innocent that God sees the shedding of innocent blood as so severe that it actually brings
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- Long -term ramifications on the nation that does it and that's not we're not just talking about abortion Okay I know we talked about that all the time like abortion is an issue of national sin if you shed the blood of the innocent
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- It defiles the land it pollutes the land. That's the testimony of Scripture Old and New Testament But as you see that principle laid down in the
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- Old Testament with the nation of Israel, you know They're shedding innocent blood shedding innocent blood and then when you get to the
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- New Testament what happens the only innocent blood that ever walked the face of the earth comes on the scene and What Scripture says about Jesus is that in Galatians chapter 3?
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- It says that Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming the curse right for it is written curse
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- It is everyone who has hung on a tree. That's a quotation from Deuteronomy Yeah, right So Christ the only innocent one became the sin seed curse of the land
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- That defiled the land of that first century and then he was raised from the dead He was seated and what happened to that first century generation
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- God punished them He judged them in such a way as to answer for the shedding of the ultimate
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- Sacrifice the the true shedding of innocent blood. Yeah, right and that's the same thing that I mean we're looking at our nation
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- What we've done with you know, unborn children Obviously the point is God will answer the shedding of innocent blood and that's a principle
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- We see in the Old Testament and the New Testament Jesus obviously being the prime example of the only innocent one and God will answer it
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- So so that's powerful stuff present or cosmically present or cosmically that's that's amazing
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- But we also want to make sure that if people are truly victims that there is justice and which we have to ask the question from a
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- Christian perspective How do you get to that justice how do you get to it? What does God say is the appropriate way of moving through people's allegations?
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- I'll give you an example in in the Old and New Testament The standard of two to three witnesses is upheld in both
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- Testaments Yeah So I don't care what your theology is in terms of eschatology or whether you're a theonomist or New Covenant theology
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- It doesn't matter all of this works for all of us Okay, all the New Testaments you have the two and three witnesses rule of God Upheld and you know the
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- Apostle Paul says to Timothy He says to not receive an accusation against an elder unless it's on the basis of two to three witnesses
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- Now what does that mean is you take that the general equity of that and you would say you need two to three
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- Independent lines of witness and evidence for an accusation to stick right?
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- So for example today we have the benefit and the blessing of screenshots text messages audio recording devices video recording devices
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- Now you can actually have a video recorder happening and now you've have 1 million witnesses.
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- Do you see the point? Yeah, so we have the benefit now It's almost like the the victory of what
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- God is doing in the world is making it easier to apply God's standards of justice Yes, we would just do it.
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- Yes, and it's like a blessing And in some cases today, we actually have the benefit of DNA evidence that counts as an independent line or witness itself.
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- You have all kinds of Ways today that you can get to the two or three independent lines now
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- Why two or three witnesses why according to God's law because you need to have two to three independent witnesses
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- People who are not colluding together on a story because that can also happen
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- But you need two to three independent witnesses when an allegation is made Now this is really important in particular for the
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- Michael Jackson discussion Yeah Is this is vital is that even though in the documentary you have two people with their own?
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- stories of molestation You can't really count those as two witnesses actually
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- Because on biblical standards the one person say Wade has to make the accusation
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- Well, the other guy wasn't actually there when when his allegations are taking place of that incident exactly
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- So it actually doesn't follow that this meets the biblical standard in the documentary of two to three witnesses
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- Technically just because those two witnesses though. They have their own stories of molestation. They don't have like yeah
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- Wade was with me on September 10th when this thing took place. He saw it He didn't see it now that watch this for those you guys that are listening
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- Please listen with grace and patience because I want you to understand something I think that there is definitely something to the allegations, but we have to say however
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- Can we make an accusation and can we bring charges against somebody and how do we do that?
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- We have to connect these things. You can't just say hey, there's a documentary with two guys that are saying that they were molested
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- Okay, well that doesn't necessarily Necessarily it could mean something But it doesn't necessarily mean the accusation should stick and charges are brought
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- Because those two guys have different stories and they're separated from one another they don't count as two witnesses to the same event
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- Do you get the point when a charge is being made according to God's law? You've got to have two to three witnesses about that charge right that the person is bringing and so that's very very important And so when we talk about this situation with Michael Jackson I'll just go on record here and I will say that I have a personal belief that the witnesses in Leaving Neverland are telling the truth
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- That's my personal belief, right? But watch this I can't make accusations and bring charges against a person unless it's corroborated
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- Right based upon these other things so I can have a suspicion But we can't operate based on suspicion in terms of bringing accusations.
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- That's what's very very important here So follow with us now because we're gonna start moving through some of these things to say well, how do we do this?
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- Biblically biblically because God's law lays down how you're supposed to wade through these sorts of things and we're gonna do that Actually as we start working through here
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- We're gonna talk about rape in God's law. We're gonna talk about how God tells people to actually receive those accusations of rape
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- We're gonna talk about how God actually preserves the dignity of the woman Yes, and in God's system of justice, the woman has no shame.
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- No shame. No shame God tells her from on high that she is the victim and she needs to come out immediately