Jeff Durbin argues with two Jehovah's Witnesses: Part two

That's right. He sacrificed his body.

Jesus’ Claim to Raise His Own Body

Right, except, you do have a problem. You have two major problems. And if I just tell you two.

Okay.

Okay, and you're going to have to find some way to reconcile this. And the fact, let's just go to two statements here, just by the Lord Jesus.

Okay.

Okay, number one, Jesus says to the Jews, you destroy this body, or this temple, referring to the temple of his body, you agree? And I will. What? Raise it up.

Okay, so why did Jesus come there in the first place?

Well, you've got to answer that question, because now you're asking another question. You can't answer a question with a question. Did Jesus tell the truth when he said to the Jews, referring to the temple of his body, that you destroy it and in three days I will raise it up?

Jesus can't raise himself.

Well, again, once again, you're saying that. That's your claim. Jesus' claim is that he...

The scripture says that God raised him up.

And Jesus.

No, it didn't say God and Jesus.

Well, let's broaden it.

Okay.

Did Jesus say, you destroy this body, referring to this body as a temple, and I will raise it up? Did he say that?

Yes, he said.

Thank you. Then that answers right there.

But see, you're not...

Did Jesus say, I will raise it up? Yes or no?

Yes, he did.

Then did he do it or not?

No, he did not.

Okay, so he lied. Once again, two times you have to say Jesus lied.

Jesus was raised up by his Father.

But then, once again, I showed you that it says that Jesus said he raised himself up as well.

That's the same logic you're using with the Holy Spirit.

The difficulty is here is that you keep using the word logic. And you're using your logic.

I'm using anybody's logic.

Can a dead man raise himself?

If he's God, he certainly can.

But Jesus isn't God.

Thomas, John 8:58, and the Deity of Christ

Well, I'll show you.

Then how do you reconcile Thomas falling down before Jesus and saying, halkerios mu, haltheos mu, and worships Jesus? What does Jesus say to Satan in the temptation? You shall worship the Lord your God, and him only shall you serve.

And here you have Thomas falling down before Jesus, calling him, my Lord and my God, and worships him. And what does Jesus say to him? Blessed are you.

So that made Jesus God.

I'm just giving you one example. I'll give you John 8 .58. John 8 .58. Jesus says, before Abraham was, ego eimi, I am. He calls himself Jehovah God.

Before Abraham was, where was Jesus? When Abraham was a man on the earth.

Fully God.

Eternally God. Right there.

Yeah.

No, where was Jesus at when Abraham was a man on the earth?

Jesus is the eternal God, so I'd say he's everywhere at all times. And just real fast, how do you reconcile that?

Well, when the Scripture, when you talk about when it says, Abraham, before you was.

Before Abraham was, I am.

He was in heaven.

No, no, I'm talking about where he was. Jesus took the name of Jehovah God and applied it to himself.

No, he did not.

Well, why do you think the Jews tried to kill him?

The Jews tried to kill him because he said he was the Son of God.

No, it says, John 8 .58. If you know the passage, John 8 .58. It says, before Abraham was, ego eimi, I am. And it says they picked up stones to kill him. And just a little bit later, Jesus says, I'll quote Jesus again.

Jesus says to the Jews who were going to kill him again, he says,.

Many good works have I shown you from the Father.

For which of these do you stone me? And they said, For thy good works we stone thee not, but for blasphemy. And that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. He called himself Yahweh. The Septuagint's translation of Jehovah saying, I am, was ego eimi.

Jesus says to the Jews, before Abraham was, ego eimi, I am. And they pick up stones to kill him.

So, you know what? This is pointless.

Why is it pointless?

Because all you're doing is going around in circles.

I'm giving you verses.

Call Michael and tell him to come get us. Because we ain't getting no place yet.

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