Poor in Spirit — Leonard Ravenhill

I've got to tell the children a story, so if you're going to sleep, sleep while I tell the children a story while they do that. It's about a boy that came to a church I pastored in England, and his daddy makes, they live in Sheffield, which is a city where they, it's noted for two things, they make a lot of beautiful silver there, silverware, and they make razor blades and razors and swords and all kinds of things.

This boy's daddy owned a factory there. I had gone to preach after being away for a few years, and I stayed in this lovely home. It had a big driveway and it was a gorgeous house. I remember looking out and the gardeners, they had two or three gardeners, they were planting a lot of bulbs and things for springtime, and the mother came in with a letter.

She was quite excited about it. I want to read you my letter from my boy. And this boy had got to a place where up across people in England send their children to what we call boarding schools. They send them to a school at Christmas.

They don't come home till about June and stay home four to five weeks and go back again and come back at Christmas and so forth. And it came time for this boy to go, and so they did the usual thing. They took him in town and took him to a tailor's shop and got him some of those little Eton jackets, you know, cutaway jackets and striped trousers and deep collars and really got him fixed up.

Got him an outfit for cricket and soccer and rugby and all the other things he needed. And they drove up to this magnificent old school. I think it's about six or seven hundred years old. And when the boy got there, of course, he looked at the great big buildings.

It was in a huge park, a great big tower in which they had a clock that chimed like this one. And everything was lovely. Saw the soccer pitch and the rugby pitch, as we say, a soccer field, you'd say, I guess, and rugby field and tennis, swimming pool and various other things.

This was all right. And then, of course, like boys, he was interested in eating. And finally, the tour guide took them into the place where they were to eat. And everybody has a number, you sit at that same place, that same table all the years you're at school.

And so that was interesting. He found where he was going to sit. Then they took him upstairs to a bedroom and showed him where he was going to sleep. Well, I'd been in the house of that boy and he had the most, he was the only boy and his daddy spoiled him, I'm sure.

He had a room about as big as this, filled with just about every imaginable toy. Aeroplane suspended from the ceiling. And he had a track right round the room, you know, the place where you swung a tabletop over.

And so the track could go around. He had trains. He had a huge fish tank. He got about everything and he had to leave them all, of course, and go to school. Well, when he got to school, he discovered he was going to sleep in a room with 19 other boys, that's something.

So your mothers would like to have 20 boys in one room. They'd really cut up. And he thought, my, this is great, 19 boys. And it came to saying goodbye. Well, he'd driven up, I don't know whether they had a Rolls Royce, two or three big cars anyhow.

And of course, all the boys were around. Now, there are no girls in those schools in England. Most of our best schools still do not have girls in them. But anyhow, it came to the parting of the ways, you know, and when you're about, I think he's about 12, you know, and there's all the kids looking on and looking at his nice car and they loaded up all his stuff to go into his bedroom.

And then, you know, if mother said, well, see you at Easter, it'll be all right. You know, when she says, oh, no, she's not going to kiss me in front of this gang. They will think, I mean, that's all she could have done.

And she'd kiss me before I left home. She's not going to kiss me in front of this mob. But mothers being mothers, scooped him up and all the kids. Oh, how well mother went. And then they were shown various other parts of the school and they were shown the place over the hills where there was another famous school.

And they played this school at soccer and the other games. Well, then he sauntered around and they came to bedtime and he hadn't thought too much about it. He was told that, you know, you're not at home now and you don't throw your trousers on the floor and your shirt over there and something here and your socks under the bed, even if your father does, I mean, if other people do.

So when you're going to bed, you hang your trousers up here and you hang your shirt there and you put your shoes in here and the bedroom must look spick and span. Oh, so all the kids came in, 19 other boys jumping on the bed, having a whale of a time.

And suddenly this little fellow got his pajamas on it. Oh, boy. Now, say my prayers in front of this gang. I know what that guy do there with the red hair. He'll throw a book at me and that guy will throw that apple core in my ear.

And this other guy over here, he'll stick some gum on my head or something. I can't kneel and pray here. It just wouldn't happen. But I'll say my prayers. I'll say them when I get in bed. And he's just getting into bed.

And I remember to him, they used to sing a lot. We sang it as kids in England, you know, dare to be a Daniel, dare to stand alone, dare to have a purpose firm and dare to make it known. Well, of course, that's all right when you're standing up in church and everybody's sweet.

But I mean, with a gang of, you know, little Al Capone's around, what do you do? Well, he got one leg in bed and nearly got the other. He thought, boy, wouldn't I do? Hmm. Supposing my mummy asked me, supposing the Sunday school teacher says, what do you do?

So the other kids are really having a time on one of the beds. They were cutting up and having a whale of a time. He thought, you know, they won't see me if I slip down here. So I slip down the side of bed.

You know, time like you may have had if you're in a barrack room or somewhere. His mother came in with a letter that morning to read me what he said. He said, Mummy, I knelt down and I don't know a thing.

I said, I was so scared. I was waiting for a book to hit me here and a boot to hit me here and an apple core in my ear. Somebody tickled my feet or something. But he said suddenly it went dead still. And I thought they're all coming at once.

So then remember the scripture, you know, that says watch and pray. So he decided to watch as well as pray. And he looked up and all the kids on the bed were going. And he said, nobody said a thing. He said, Mummy, I can't remember what I said when I knelt down, but I just felt I was going to explode.

But he said, you know, when I got in bed, I had such a good feeling right down in here. I felt, boy, I don't know, I felt as though I fought them all one at a time and licked them all. You know, I felt, boy, I beat the whole gang of you tonight.

She said, but wait, wait, wait, wait a minute. So the letter went on and he said, Mummy, first day, not much doing. But the second day I got to know one or two of the guys. Some of them were real rough.

And he came to the second night and I thought, well, anyhow, they know I say my prayers. I'm a Christian and I don't need to bother anymore. They even see my Bible there, so I guess it's OK. And then he said, no, I did it the first night.

If I did it once, I can do it again. And I'm going to have to do it for the next four or five months. So he said, once again, I got my pyjamas on and I noticed one guy was reading a book like this, you know, another guy was reading one this way and they were all watching to see what was going to happen.

And he said, I knelt down and said my prayers. And suddenly, just like that, everything went dead calm. And he said, I waited and I waited, it seemed as though I waited an hour. And nothing happened. And I thought, well, they're all coming on my hands and knees, they're all going to hit me at once.

Now, she said, listen to this. I said, I opened my eyes and when I looked, every boy in the dorm was on his knees saying his prayers. Oh, he said, I felt so good. I felt, you know, if I hadn't done it right the first night, I'd never have done it the second night.

And he said, you know what now, every night when I kneel, well, one or two of them, you know, the kind of backslidden, out of fellowship as well. Well, anyhow, they weren't doing it. And he said, you know, some of the boys said, I promised my mummy I'd do it, but I didn't have the guts really to do it.

And I felt really bad, but I'm glad you did it. And he said, you know, I found some real nice boys. And, you know, mummy, it really is good that that song says each victory will help you some other time.

You know, it's got easier every night since since I did it. I used to do chaplains out in one of the largest air force camps in England. Didn't get paid for it, unfortunately, but I did it for kicks. I remember one night some guys had taken some planes from England over to North Africa and one of them was a young Christian.

And when he got to the camp, they said, well, you take, you know, a room, a one block and room seven. And when he got in, he was disgusted. They were all girly pictures, mostly nude pictures around. And he thought, oh, boy, there must be a rough gang.

And he hadn't another Christian buddy with him that separated him because there was only one spare bed in this room. Oh, well, they're not coming in too late. There's a dance. They won't be until twelve, one o 'clock.

And he said, well, I can't wait till they come up. When in the world can I do it? And I certainly I think I'll rip all these pictures. No, they're not my property. What shall I do? And he remembered in his in his billfold.

So he had a calendar with a picture of Jesus on the other side. And so he said, I, I found a little space, I found a thumbtack and I stuck the picture of Jesus right back in the middle of them all. And about one o 'clock, the boys came in and they were cutting up where they'd been and what they'd done.

And one of them said, well, I say goodnight to my sweetie. What's that? Well, it looks like a picture of Jesus, doesn't it? In the middle of all those nude women, what are you going to do about it? One guy said, rip it down.

The other guy says, you'll rip it down if you dare. Well, he said, they don't match. What are you going to do? Pull one down to the other. Right over, he says, the other. This fellow said he was sleeping with one eye open and they were going around snatching all the pictures down and folded them up and put them around outside.

And you see, sometimes, as I said, I used to say to those guys, I've got courage. I've watched them fighting up in the sky with Spitfires, fighting Messerschmitts and Heinkels and all the rest. But I said, when it comes to moral courage, it's a different situation.

Physical courage is one thing. Moral courage is an entirely different thing. Spiritual courage, even something else. So remember, it's always good to be a good witness, even how small we are, we can always make a real witness for Jesus Christ in one way or another.

You don't always have to shout from the housetops. Sometimes it can be done so quietly and without, you know, an inoffensive way. And but in any case, the Lord expects us to be his witnesses. Here endeth the first lesson.

Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount and the Human Problem

So now the second lesson, back into the gospel as recorded by Matthew again. Glad to see these new friends. Very welcome. Hope you can come again. Anybody else back? Daryl hasn't been for a week or two.

Ed's been holding the country together. And Kay got home. And quite a few of the friends were away, as you know, down the country. Matthew 5, what we often say is the greatest sermon ever preached by the greatest man who ever lived.

If somebody asked you to answer in a sentence, what's wrong basically in the world, what would you say? Well, I guess most Christians would say, you sum it up in one word, sin. OK, that's right, there's no doubt about that at all, but what manifestation of it?

And I would say, this is my answer to it, that the greatest problem in the world is the problem of human relationships. Whether it's in the home or in the community or in the nation, there are still a few nations, we forget about them, but there are still some nations at war.

But, you know, actually, ever since Adam sinned in the garden, really the world has been in a state of emergency. We reminded ourselves last week of the contrast between the first book in the Old Testament, the first book in the New Testament, in the first book in the Old Testament.

You have a story, of course, of the first Adam, and in the first book of the New Testament, you have the story of the last Adam. As we said, the first Adam was made without a father, the second Adam, Jesus Christ, was made without a mother.

The first Adam had no choice in coming into the world, he was created. No more choice than you and I have. And he came into a perfect environment. Again, he had no opposition, he had no option to come in for sure, he just had to come.

But the very opposite is true in the case of the Lord Jesus, he did not have to come in one sense. It was voluntary. He did not come into an ideal situation. Again, in the case of Adam, there was no thorn to go in his feet, there were no creatures to bite him, there was no opposition, it was the old children's hymn says, always come and bide.

He was a perfect man, with a perfect mind, perfect emotionally, perfect in every other way, in a perfect environment. And in that perfect environment, he sinned. The Lord Jesus did not come into a perfect environment, he came into a hostile world, and we forget this very often.

People sometimes suggest that men like John the Baptist came to folk who were savages, they certainly were not. Remember, they built some of the greatest buildings in the world, the Greeks had built and the, nobody knows when the, some of the temples in Egypt, or the pyramids of Sheops, or some of those things were built.

But this we do know, that when Jesus began to teach, which he did here in the Sermon on the Mount, when he was set, when he was sat down, which was a custom of the, of the rabbis, that immediately he sat down, he was in an antagonistic world.

Everything was going for Adam, everything was going against Jesus Christ. I do not like pictures of Jesus. I don't think we should have them, because you're not to make the likeness of any graven image, and I don't think we should make them.

And nobody has a clue what Jesus was like anyhow. But at least in England and in Europe, if you go into the great cathedrals, Jesus is usually pictured as a very pathetic character. He looks effeminate, he has a lamb in his arms.

He looks as much as to say, please don't frown on me, I'll melt away. I don't believe Jesus was that at all. I believe the first Adam was the most, obviously, the most perfect specimen of manhood ever in the world.

I think maybe he was about six feet, six or six feet, or seven feet high. Marvelously proportioned, brilliant mind, everything about him was perfect. I feel that Jesus Christ was the same. I don't think he was handsome in the sense that we think of a man being handsome, because there was no beauty that we should desire him.

But Jesus was a strong man. And again, I say that I do not like pictures of Jesus because they're so effeminate. After all, it would take a strong man to do what Jesus did. He sits down and over here you've got the soldiers are listening because there's been a story told ever since he was born that this man was born to be a king, and one day he's going to manifest his kingdom.

And he's been under suspicion all this time, and now they say he's gathered a number of people, not only that, multitudes of people, right, previous to this chapter, the multitude followed him. He fed 5 ,000 one day, he fed 4 ,000 another day, besides women and children.

There were maybe 20 ,000 in those crowds. And again, I remind you, they had no blacktop roads and they had no bus service. They went there on foot, they went there because they were hungry and thirsting.

There was a form of godliness. There was a temple, there were ceremonies. I think one of the most ironic and almost diabolical things was, that the very day they crucified Jesus, they were celebrating the Passover in the temple.

And he was the fulfillment of the Passover, and those blind dumb priests hadn't a clue about him at all. And if you think they're crazy, well what do you think about politicians today? Actually, isn't the persistent arrogance of men manifested in the fact that they will not have Christ to reign over them?

We do not need a League of Nations or United Nations. After all, Christianity has not been weighed in the balances and found wanting, it's been tried, found difficult, and rejected. Whether it's human relationships on this level, that level, or internationally, here is the answer, the Prince of Peace.

We say we want peace, the Prince of Peace has already come. One of the great slogans in the life of Jesus, after all, he died as a king. And he shared his belongings before he died. I've often thought how poor Jesus was.

This first beatitude is, blessed are the poor in spirit. Some people have suggested you can reverse that. Blessed in spirit are the poor, that's not what it says. But Jesus was poor. After all, kings are not usually born in a stable.

After all, usually a preacher, particularly these days, doesn't say to somebody in the congregation, lend me a penny here, I want to use an illustration. That famous quotation of Jesus, rendered to Caesar, the things of the Caesars, was proving he hadn't got a dime.

He said to somebody in the congregation, you've got a penny, lend me it a minute. Whose is a superscription? Poverty when he was born, poverty while he lived, poverty when he died. There's no blessedness in poverty in itself.

I've seen very arrogant people who are poor, but let's stay with this a minute. And he died poor. Jesus spent all his life borrowing things. Now, some people do that because they're too lazy to work, and some people do it for other reasons.

It's the cheapest way to live, if you can live on your neighbours. But Jesus was always borrowing. He wanted to cross the Sea of Galilee, what did he borrow? He borrowed a boat. He wanted to go down the road on an ass, what did he do?

He said, you'll find one at the corner, borrow it for me. He wanted to celebrate the Passover, he borrowed an upper room. He wanted a drink of water, what did he do? He borrowed it from a woman at the well.

And Jesus borrowed all his life, and in case you haven't gone far enough in your thinking, do you know what he did? He even borrowed somebody else's sin, because he's none of his own. Isn't that the most sublime thing of all?

Not only borrowed money, not only borrowed an ass, not only borrowed a cap. Well, actually, he borrowed a woman's body to come in in the world. A body is thou prepared for. And yet, just before he died, he gives away what he has.

He's a king. He's not a king, he's the king. The king of kings and the lord of lords. What did he give away? He hadn't a thing. He had no castle, he had no horses. What did he give away? Well, he gave his mother to John.

He says, here's my mother, take care of her, will you do that for me? Must have been very nice. And he gave his benediction to the man on the cross that was dying. What did he give his disciples? He gave them the very thing that the world's wanting.

He gave them the same thing he gave them in the upper room. They were terrified, looking out of the window for fear of the Jews. And Jesus came in and raised his hand and he said, peace. And then he says, my peace I leave with you, my peace.

He didn't give them peace, my peace. The same peace that when they wanted to push him over the edge of the cliff, Jesus didn't get hot and bothered and his temperature didn't go up. When they cast his name out as an evil thing, it didn't worry Jesus at all.

And he said, that same peace which has governed and characterized my life is the peace which I'm going to give, the peace which I'm passing on to you. After all, that's what the world wants. I think since 1850, the nations have made about 8 ,500 peace pacts and we haven't kept any of them.

Well, what makes you think we're going to keep the next one? As I said last week, we have a United Nations, before that we have the League of Nations, before that we have a Conference of Nations in The Hague in Holland.

And one of the most dangerous people in the world, he's not a man with a bomb in his pocket, the most dangerous man in the world is the man who thinks. This again is why we have radio 24 hours a day, and now TV in many cities we go to.

There's a TV program 24 hours a day, do you know why? Because if you sat down and thought, you might rebel against some things. But they saturate us, satiate us. As Dr. Tozer used to say, to me sometimes he used to say, Len, we're laughing our way to hell.

It's always interesting to me when I think again of the courage of Jesus. Do you think it took courage to go into a festival where the temple was crowded and make a little whip which was on an imitation whip and whip the money changers out?

Don't you think on the last day, the great day of the feast, it was the greatest day of the greatest feast, it was the last feast which was the greatest, it was the last day which was the greatest, and Jesus went right in the middle of the temple.

For six days, the temple orchestra and the priests at a given hour, they went out of the temple and they went down to the pool of Siloam, and the priest had on his shoulder a golden vessel, not too large but it was pure gold.

And he dipped it in the pool of Siloam and he carried it on his shoulder and they clapped their hands and they sang marching to Zion. And he went right in the middle of the temple and he poured that water out for six days.

One after the other, after the other, after the other, he poured out the water on the seventh day. The last great day of the feast, he didn't pour any water out. And there the temple, there is a record, a historic record, that when Janitus was the high priest, there was a disturbance because one of the priests that was taking that water tripped and he spilled it and there was a panic.

And if I remember right, more than 2 ,000 people were killed in that building. There were over 6 ,000 people in it. It was no little backstreet mission hall, you know. And with five or six thousand people looking on, Jesus stood in the very place where they poured out water and he said, listen, I am the water of life.

Why did they celebrate that water? Because one day God split a rock and out of that rock, water followed them and that rock was Christ. Why did Jesus say, I'm the light of the world? At that feast, they had what looked like a cross with two big baskets of fire lit at night because they know the illumination in the city.

And they said, look how this illuminates the city. But Jesus says, I am the light of the world. They said, you know what God did for our parents? He gave us manna in the wilderness and we lived. And Jesus says, I'll tell you something.

You see, here he's knocking their theology sky high. He bursts it like sticking a pin in a balloon. Why? Because he says, whosoever cometh unto me. Now they believe the Jews had a monopoly on God. God split the rock for us, that's why we pour the water.

Now Jesus says, your fathers ate manna and they drank that water but they perished. But he that drinketh of me shall have everlasting life. And more than that, afterwards the spirit will come. That's what he's talking about.

The spirit will come and indwell you and out of his inmost being. And people say, now you get the Holy Spirit and out of your inmost being there'll be a river of water. That's not what it says. It says when the spirit comes and dwells in you, out of his inmost being, not your inmost being.

He is the source of life. And as long as you walk in the spirit, that's true, they'll proceed out of you. But it's coming out of him who is the indweller. Because if he moves out of you, brother, you'll dry up like that.

You can put all the emphasis you like on gifts and fruits of the spirit, but the essence is the abiding presence of the spirit of God himself. Not the gift, but the giver. Wasn't it A .B. Simpson wrote, I don't know too much of his poetry, let me think, he goes something like this, what now?

Once it was the blessing, now it is the Lord. Once it was the feeling, now it is his word. Once his gifts I wanted, now the giver own. You see, he's changed the whole accent. Now again, I say Jesus here is demonstrating his courage.

Standing in the midst, who is this man anyhow? I doubt if Isaiah dare have done this. What would Moses have done if he was? This is the fellow that goes around healing the sick and straightening withered arms and unplugging deaf ears and touching blind eyes.

Who is he that stands here and says, I am the water of life? Would you like to do that in the midst of a synagogue with 6 ,000 people in? Do you think you have the guts to do it or I have? If he wasn't a son of God, he was crazy, but he was a son of God.

He's the God of very God. And I say again, I see his courage in doing that. I see his courage here again, sitting in the midst of hostility. There are the Romans listening, what he's going to say about the kingdom.

Over here are some Pharisees and Sadducees. You see, the Pharisees believed in the resurrection. The Sadducees did not believe in the resurrection. That's why they were sad, you see. All right, think of that tomorrow.

But anyhow, he had all these different people around him, you see, ready to pounce on him and tear away his doctrine. Here is Jesus surrounded with a multitude. And many of them go up in the hill and many of them are listening to his words.

And again, as I say, he comes out with the greatest thing that was ever said. I said a few minutes ago and still say that we would say sin is the first problem. And if it's the first problem in the world, people say you're too theological.

All right, the problem of human relationships. Otherwise, why do you have wars and strikes and all the divisions you have? But when you get right down to the center of the whole thing, what is the cause?

Well, as this good book says, the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked. And the heart of the problem is the heart. Isn't that it? The heart of our problem today is the human heart.

If you put it right, you put the rest right. They used to tell us in Sunday school when we were kids about the man who had little boys that weren't quiet. I don't know who they were, but some little fellows couldn't be quiet.

And one day, Daddy came home with a jigsaw puzzle, you know, and he thought, boy, he'll keep the little fellow quiet and send him in a room. And five minutes he comes in, Daddy, come. Oh, I want to be quiet for another hour.

You haven't put it together again. Yes, I have. You couldn't. Daddy went in and saw he got the thing right. Perfect map of the world. Didn't know the kid knew any geography anyhow. Well, every piece is in place.

It's beautiful. Have you done geography? No. Well, how did you do it? Well, Daddy, it must have been made on a old piece of wood. On the other side, there's a picture of a man. And I put the man together.

And when I got the man together, I got the world right. That simple. Again, it's tragic. When you think of it, it costs billions and billions and billions a year to try and keep this world clean. And do you ever try to scrub a mud floor?

You think you've got problems. You try doing that tomorrow. Go in the backyard on the garden with a bucket and water and you can take Amway stuff. Don't mention that, but it won't work. Even Amway won't scrub a mud floor.

Or if you could take some great big refrigerators with blocks of ice, prefabricated, and go right down where our pool is right now, there on the equator practically, and put an igloo up. And just walk away.

How long do you think it would last? An igloo on the equator? Melt away pretty quickly. I think I remind you last week that Troyne B., the greatest modern historian, says there have been 19 attempts to build a permanent civilization.

And 19 times the house has fallen down. Now we're making another big struggle at it. Do you think it's going to stand up? Of course it won't. Why? Because there's something chronically wrong with the human heart.

It's deceitful. It's diseased. And there is no answer to the problem. You see, this turns all our thinking around really. Whatever psychologists and others say about your brain and your memory and the repressed complex of your subconscious or what.

The problem is the heart. The Bible says that out of the heart proceedeth. And as a man thinketh in his heart, even so he is. And if you get the man right, the little guy says, I turned it over, I got the world right.

Well, if you get the heart right, you get your personality right. I'm sure you wise people who went to university and college, at least maybe you've read some Greek mythology. Remember Ulysses in Greek mythology?

How he captured Troy and then he put his men on board a boat and they were somewhere off the coast of Italy or Sicily, somewhere there was an island with the sirens on. You know, when the siren wails on top of your automobile or the police thing, it comes from the sirens.

These very beautiful women with very beautiful voices. And every time they were coming down this channel, the boat would drift nearer and nearer and men would jump overboard because of the singing of these women, their beautiful looks and their singing and they'd jump overboard.

So Ulysses says, my crew isn't going to be destroyed like that. So as they got nearer, he brought each man down into the cabin and he filled his ears with wax. Send him upstairs, he couldn't hear a thing.

And then as they got near the islands, he took a rope and he tied himself to the mast of the ship and they got by. Pretty painful, I guess. I don't like anybody sticking wax in my ears. Mother used to dig to get it out, but getting it in, that must be awful.

But he got by. He didn't lose one member of the crew. Everybody got by. And then, you remember, there's a fellow called Jason and the quest for the, what was he? He went for the Golden Fleece. I was going to say the Holy Fleece, it was the Holy Grail.

The Golden Fleece. And he had to go that way too. And he thought, well, I don't know. I don't know if I could make it. Oh, yes, yes, yes, I could. And just before they left the dock, he took Orpheus on board.

Greek mythology says, the greatest singer that ever was, the man that played the lyre. Not the lyre, it's there in Washington. But the lyre, L-Y-R-E, the lyre. You pluck the strings and you play the harp.

And he took Orpheus on board. And when they got to the mouth of the channel, they were going, oh, they could see all these siren, gorgeous women lining up on the rocks there, waving and they had their garlands on and they began to sing.

And he said, gave him the signal. And they struck upon his harp and he sang and he sang and he sang as though his lungs would burst. And he just out sang the whole mob of them. And the ship went past and according to mythology, the women were so mad, they jumped in the sea and they were metamorphosed into the rocks.

That's why the rocks are so jagged there. As you know, women are jagged. But anyhow, they became the jagged rocks on the side of the sea. But the point is, you see, they were beaten at their own game.

He didn't have to fill their ears. He put a greater enchantment on board than the enchantment that was out there. Now, as long as we're in the flesh, there's going to be a tug of war. I don't believe it has to be on the inside in the sense of an old nature and a new and I don't go for that.