Four Anchors — Leonard Ravenhill

The Shipwreck in Acts 27 and the Need for Anchors

In the Acts of the Apostles chapter 27, and again I'm reading from the Living Bible, King James Version. All the others are dead. Acts 27, you know, I guess you know this story, it's where Paul is on a journey and they get caught in a terrible storm, something like they had I guess in Hawaii this week.

It has a big name, it's called Euroclidon. And it was seasonable, it didn't come anytime, it came in a certain season. And people usually avoided the sea. And you remember that Paul told these smart alecks here not to go and they went.

And it's very interesting that Paul started off as a passenger and he finished as the pilot. And they lost everything, lost all their goods, threw their baggage overboard, and finally all they did was land on the shore with a ship that was smashed up.

But notice this, Paul says, there stood by me this night an angel of God, whose I am and whom I serve. Therefore you better take notice of him if you don't take notice of me. And as I say, the disaster came, and the prophecy, the word of God says if a man prophesies it doesn't come true, then he's not a prophet.

But he prophesied the truth. I think spirituality is at an all-time low across the world almost, but there are some people still telling the truth, but nobody heeds. They didn't heed nor he built an ark for a hundred and twenty years, and then he sat inside of it for seven days.

I think that must have been the toughest of all. I think all his neighbors cursed him and laughed at him and said this thing is never going to move anyhow. Remember they'd never seen rain, to keep that out of the picture.

Well he said, Ray, water's going to come down, water's going to come up. They said, now he's nuts. You see, God had watered the earth with dew, and they'd never seen a rainstorm. And he sat in that place, and I guess they laughed at him, scorned him, and said you old fool.

You know, sometimes we think when we've obeyed God he ought to set all the machinery of heaven going just for me, you know, to prove I'm right. Why doesn't he answer my prayer today? Can't wait till tomorrow.

He could have done it yesterday. Would have been far better off. Here I am, I'm hung up. What's happening? And it's the same with Moses, climbing the mountain again in the, what, twenty-fourth of Exodus.

He didn't go up on a ski lift. I think when he got to the top his ankles were bruised and his clothes were torn. And he was wrapped in darkness. God wrapped him in a cloud of darkness so they couldn't see him from the valley.

And it says on the sixth, or on the seventh day, God spoke to him. Again we would think that because we'd left, you see, he left two million people in Israel, then he left the seventeen, then he left the two, and he's here by himself.

And that's how God works. Maybe God will speak to you tonight, sure enough. But we've got to work out our own salvation. It's not something just to be worked in, it has to be worked out. And so God keeps him waiting on the top of the mountain, day after day after day after day.

We'd have got up and gone away, wouldn't we? I mean, in an instant day like this, instant coffee, instant potatoes, instant what have you got. Well Lord, I thought you'd be waiting here with Gabriel and a band from heaven to welcome me.

And when I came, the Lord said, sit down and cool down for a while. It's very difficult to be patient. You know what they say, the man said, Lord I want patience, and I want it now. Well that's about the way we want our prayers answering too, isn't it?

The Storm of Judgment and the Word of God

But they took no heed of Paul. His counsel was thrown on one side, it was totally rejected. What did they do? They landed shipwrecked. Lost, everybody lost their possessions, they lost the boat, they lost the cargo.

They lost everything, and arrived there just destitute. You know, I'm convinced this is a picture of the end time in which we're living. We're going to lose everything. I went to take a class in Waco this week, on Tuesday night.

Very fine class, a lot of wonderful people there. And one lady said, you know, I was just down the store, one of the largest stores in town, and one of the assistants said, you know we're closing? No, no.

I said, oh, it's a big flourishing business. No, no. All the staff were called together this morning, and the manager said, I'm sorry, but you all finish, you terminate your employment Sunday, this week.

Not much notice. Well Montgomery Ward's in the same town, of a tremendous spread, and they've put the notice out, we're finishing by the end of December. I had a man came to talk with me today from Canada, and he said, it's incredible.

A few weeks ago we were picking up newspapers, some little corner shop went out of business, but now it's the big conglomerates. One day after the other, you can't pick the newspaper up, but they're all collapsing, all these great industries.

The nations, whether we believe it or not, we're in a storm period. And it isn't going to get any nicer. I've been in storms in the middle of the Atlantic more than once, and a friend of mine said, the ship was tossing, he said, I was scared to death that it would go down.

He said, when we've been there another half hour, scared to death it wouldn't. See at one moment he thought to go, to die would be terrible, next moment he thought, oh no, let it go, oh, oh no, you know, I've given up everything, in more ways than one.

In other words, you've been sick. But anyhow, it gets like that. We're in a rough passage, it is not going to get any easier. Don't let anybody fool you that the new man that's taken over from Breisnau is a nice man, he's the most wicked, diabolical man they've ever had, apart from Stalin himself.

There's nothing good coming out of Russia, they're trying to trick us, and if you're not careful they'll do so. This is the storm, okay, let's read it, from verse 14, Acts 27 verse 14. Not long after there arose against it a tempestuous wind called Eurotliden, verse 17.

When they had taken up, they used helps, undergirding the ship, and fearing lest they should fall in the quicksand, strake sail, and so were driven. And we being exceedingly tossed with the tempest, the next day they lightened the ship.

The third day we cast out with our own hands the tackling of the ship, verse 20. And when neither sun nor stars in many days appeared, no small tempest ray on us, hoping that we would be, that we should be saved.

But after long abstinence Paul stood forth in the midst of them and said, Sirs, ye should have hearkened unto me, and not loosed from Crete, to have gained this harm. And now I exhort you, be of good cheer, for there should be no loss of any man's life among you, but of the ship.

For there stood by me this night an angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, saying, Fear not, Paul, thou must be brought before Caesar, and, lo, God hath given thee all them that say with thee. Wherefore, be of good cheer, for I believe God, for it shall be even as it was told me.

Now there's a lot of, well I'll use the word anyhow, there's a lot of humor in that, you see. I don't see why Paul should have worried. I think I'd rather get drowned at sea than have my head chopped off.

And he's going to have his head chopped off, and he says, I've got a date up there in Rome with the big shot, and I'm going to make it, and you're going to come along with me. I say, in my view, it will be much easier to be drowned at sea than in the midst of a jeering, scorning, mocking crowd, and have your head chopped off.

But he wasn't afraid of man, you see, you can't intimidate this man in any way at all. He's heard from God. Remember, he didn't have a New Testament in his pocket. Again I say, when I read Hebrews, Hebrews 11, where people subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions.

Mercy on us, not one of them ever had a Bible. Do you see how much they did without it, and how little we do with it? For many of us, our Bible is a pep talk in the morning. Maybe you've got one of those abominable promise boxes, little bits of cardboard, and you stick a hat pin in it or something, and get it out, and it says, underneath the everlasting arm.

I don't know, just in promise boxes, there are no curses, they're all blessings. There's nothing that would stimulate your faith, it's all, you know, sugar and spice and all that's nice. And we've got a generation of people like that.

It's all right for Jesus to take his cross, but don't lay any cross on me. Be of good cheer. Well, I think Paul needed somebody to cheer him up, he says, no, I don't need to be good cheer. Doesn't he write later, from a prison cell, and he says, rejoice in the Lord.

And in case he didn't hear, he says, and again I say, rejoice. That's a fellow in a stinking rotten prison, you can put a dog in it these days. And yet he is here, he's got that joy, which is, as he himself said, it's unspeakable and full of glory.

And when the 14th night was come, there you are, two weeks, 14 days, 14 nights, no sun, no moon, no stars. Do you think they wondered if the end of the world had come? 14 days and nights without daylight, can't see the stars, no sun appears, woo, what are we doing?

We're going sailing into hell? But you see, God had a timetable for all this, as he always has. Let's jump down to verse 31. Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, except these abide in the ship, you cannot be saved.

If they tried to escape, they'd all have been drowned. The soldiers cut off the ropes and boats and let her fall. And while the day was coming on, Paul besought them all to take meat, saying, this day is the 14th day that ye have tarried and continued fasting and having nothing.

Now don't you think that ship was loaded with screaming, crying children and terrified women and scared men? No food, no stars, no hope. Didn't have any radio, you know, to see what's happening somewhere else.

Just totally shut up there. Not shut up with God, as far as they were concerned. Paul is riding it easily, he doesn't care at all. He knows he has an appointment, God made the appointment, he's going to get to that appointment.

Whatever there is in the way, he's going to make it. Okay, there's the background. Now, let's go to Paul's second letter to the Corinthians. And the fifth chapter, I should have continued a little in that other chapter, because I want to emphasize it.

Anchor One: The Eternal Home and the Word of God

He says later, we cast out four anchors and wished for the day. So there are four anchors I want you to remember in this reading tonight, okay. Second Corinthians chapter five, for we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God and house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

Now let me inject a thought of my own here. Remember Paul, this amazing man who was lifted up into the third heaven? You think he's talking, giving us a little peep through the door of the keyhole, when he says, we have a home eternal in the heavens, he's got a preview of it.

He's caught up into the third heaven, he sees the glory of God, and he says, listen, this is no guessing game. We're not leaves blown by the wind that way, then this way. We're not footballs for everybody to kick around.

We know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a home eternal in the heavens. He has finished the previous chapter talking about the temporal things, notice. We look not at the things that are seen.

Now come on, how often are you judging what's going to happen by what you see round about, what you read on the news, CBS, or read in a magazine, read in a paper somewhere. He's very clear about it, we look not at things which are seen, but the things which are not seen.

Well how in the world can you see things that are not seen? Well surely we see them by the eye of faith. What is invisible to somebody else is a solid, we grasp it. Faith is the substance. It's not like grasping the air, we've got the assurance of God.

How firm a foundation, didn't we sing that tonight? Ye Saints of the Lord. The things which are not seen, for the things which are seen are temporal, but the things which are not seen are eternal. And then, you see, there's no division there, this is an artificial division.

That gap shouldn't be there between that last 13th verse and the first verse of the next chapter, that should be the 14th, he's on the same thing. We're not thinking about the visible, the corruptible, but the incorruptible.

Not about the things which are temporal, but the things which are eternal. If the earthly house of our tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

You know, that always reminds me of a hymn, I don't know the man that wrote it, he wrote it in the 11th century. His name was Bernard of Cluny, if I can remember it, I can remember some of it. Okay, it begins like this, and he's talking about this very city that Paul says he's visualized.

He's singing, saying, Jerusalem the golden with milk and honey blessed, beneath thy contemplation sing heart and voice oppressed. I know not, O I know not, what joys await us there, what radiancy of glory, what bliss beyond compare.

They stand, those halls of Zion, all beautiful with song, and bright with men in angel, and all the martyrs' song. The prince is ever with them, the daylight is serene, the pastures of the blessed are decked in robes of green.

Now, he says, there is the throne of David. Well, wasn't Jerusalem the home of David and the kings? He says, there is the throne of David, and there from care released, the shout of them that triumph, the song of them that feast.

And they who with their leader have conquered in the fight, forever and forever, are dressed in robes of white. I once gave out a hymn on a sheet here, on a little thing like a track, on Samuel Rutherford.

Samuel Rutherford, well he didn't write the hymn, but the lady extracted all these different pieces and put the hymn together. And it's a very wonderful hymn, Rutherford. And he says in that hymn, I can't get the first line, but he says this, going to heaven, going to eternity with Jesus, it would a well-spent journey, though seven deaths lay between.

Now he knew what it meant, because he'd been fastened, there's an old pillar stands off the coast of Scotland. It looks like solid, it isn't solid, it's a prison house, you could almost touch the walls with your hands.

They put him in there, fed him about once a day. It was the most severe penalty they had, and yet it was there where he said, when I get in the king's cellar, I look for the king's wine. Do you get his point?

In these big houses, they have a wine cellar. One of our neighbors went in England, he had one. I remember I went with his son exploring, and you know we found nothing, but anyhow. We were sure we'd find something in that old wine cellar.

Empty bottles, yes. Full ones, no. Good thing, because I'm sure we'd have drunk it and gone crazy. But he says, when I'm in the king's cellar, I look out for the king's wine. A visitor said to him, oh this place, look at the slime on the wall, oh there's a rat, oh look at these things.

How do you stay in here? Well he said, friend, when you're not here, those walls shine like rubies and diamonds and amethysts and sapphires. The radiant with his presence. Again, the world and all the systems that are operating, they can come right in on us, you know, and they can take the very claws off our back, but that's where they quit.

From my skin inwards, I am the master of my fate and the captain of my soul, as Meyer said. You see, this man is a puzzle to everybody. I made a guess of this, and I'm usually right, but I made a guess of this, and I guess that the devil gave every demon in hell a day off duty when Paul died.

I think he said, we'll never see an idiot like this anymore. Never see a man with such colossal intellect, a man with such pedigree, a man who could have been, to put it in different words, the Pope, though he would never have been the Pope.

But he could have been the boss of the universe, as it were, and yet he's going to lay his life down. And there he is, rotting in a jail, and you can't faze him, you can't move him, he has a joy unspeakable, a faith unshakable, a power that's indestructible, what are you going to do with him?

Because he says, we know that if the earthly house of our tabernacle be destroyed, we have a home, listen, eternal in the heavens. Well I don't know about you, but I'm not going to heaven for the weekend, are you?

And those poor sinners outside, they're not going to hell for the weekend either. You see, I've repeated it, I'll continue to repeat it, because if you don't need it, I do. We're so easily get off kilter, we're not eternity conscious as we should be.

We're position conscious, possession conscious, power conscious, personality conscious. If you tried it for a week, every morning you'd get out of bed and say, I'm going to live for eternity today, you'd have a different thing to say at night before you went to bed before God.

There's a scripture that talks about those things which the Gentiles seek, well of course they were over the wall as regard the Jews. But isn't it amazing how much people grab and do all kinds of things for temporal things in this day in which we're living.

Or you say, but Paul, you said, had a preview, I think he had, I'm sure John did, didn't he? Fourth chapter of Revelation, he says, I saw a door open in heaven, as I've said to you before. If I could open a door, which we're used to as children in England, mother would say, don't go into the front room now.

Well, she thought that was a command, I thought it was a challenge. And so when she'd gone, I'd sneak around the passageway and open the door and call her, Annie, Annie, to my sister, come and see what's in the house here, there's going to be a party or something, look at all these things.

Well I'd say it again, I'd say it to myself often, if I could push the door of eternity open half an inch, you'd never backslide again, you'd never grumble again, you wouldn't say Lord don't put this load on me, you'd say Lord give me ten times the load, because you see eternity is going to be the payday.

The checkout counter is there, but the judgment seat of Christ. And I'm quite sure this is one of the things that kept the Apostle Paul from being moved and pushed around and tossed around with every wind of doctrine.

Supposing I said to somebody here, where's my good friend Dale, he's over there, Dale Brown. Dale, I've just, I'm back from Australia and while I was in the north, just a little east of Port Moresby, a man asked me, do you know anybody called Dale Brown, he lives in Texas.

I say yes, there's only one Dale Brown in Texas, as far as I know, but anyhow, oh well he lives down in a, near a village called Van or something, yeah I know the man. Well listen, I want to show you something, and he takes me around this mansion, and it's loaded with a million dollars worth of antiques, and it's just the most gorgeous thing, and it has servants, and the garden's beautiful, and everything's gorgeous.

And he said, you tell him to come and get it. Well, I've mentioned before, I think that my wife went to Australia, the year I went to college, she left Ireland and went to Australia, and it took thirty days.

No aircraft in those days, so they went down the English Channel, through the Bay of Biscay, down by the Mediterranean, through the Suez Canal, round to Ceylon, round to India, then across. Thirty days at sea.

I'd like to do that, you'd get no telephones and no mail, and no visitors, but anyhow, it would be nice. Now supposing we were still in that day, and I say to Dale and his wife, well Dale, Betty, I've seen the thing, it is an awesome, amazing, spectacular, they've got some of the great old pictures, not modern junk, you know, like Picasso and all those idiots, some real stuff, you know, like Rembrandt and some of the old seascapes, oh Chinese vases this height, and all the places, it beggars description, and there's lots of servants there.

And all you have to do is go in and take a reference, and you'll immediately fall into that whole thing. But before you go, remember this, if you've got to cross, if to do, I don't know, must be about fifteen, sixteen thousand miles that way by sea, and you may be seasick a few days, you may be knocked out.

And then when you get into Australia, if you land at Port, where, Sydney, and you've to go up through the land, oh my, that's rough territory, I drove up in it, comfort, I drove in the Rolls-Bentley, it wasn't mine, but I enjoyed it.

And it was gorgeous, gorgeous to see the kangaroos, all the wildlife, and then you come to a place where there's aborigines, and you come to a place where there's no water for six hundred miles, you better have something.

No McDonald's, no place to get an ice cream, just barren wilderness. Just terrible. And I say, now you've got to go all that way, you've to go by water, then if you go right up through the country, and oh, if the wind isn't blowing, sand in your eyes, the heat is unbearable.

The conditions are about the worst you could have, but you're going to have to do it if you're going to get that house. Well, that's a very mild picture of the same thing here. Jerusalem is there, the city of God is there, and to use Rutherford's word again, it were a well-spent journey, though seven deaths lay between.

If I have to be tortured and put to death, and rise up again and tortured and put to death, so what? We've got a home, eternal in the heavens. Well if I can use the word, I don't like to use the word excited, it ought to stir us.

What did Adonai Hem say, Cluny, Vernon of Cluny says, there is the throne of David. Well that should send us into a, what do you say, a tizzy or a spin for about ten thousand years. See, the throne of David, and there from Keralese, the songs of them that triumph, and the shout of them that feast.

Now you may be very staid, and maybe you go to a church where it's illegal to raise your hands, or you get a five dollar fine if you shout hallelujah. But you know, when we get up there, it's going to be, it's going to be wonderful.

I've already reserved the first five thousand years with Paul to explain Roman 7 to me. So if you see me talking to him, you keep your nose out of it, and you can have him after I've heard that. And I want to see some of the other great saints, in the scriptures, out of the scriptures.

This keeps a man on course. But what's worth bartering eternity for? What will a man give in exchange for his faith, his peace, his joy in God? Do you gripe that somebody else in business is making more money than us, and we're not half as honest as we are?

So what? What's that got to do with it? I don't think God's interested in my business, I'm not sure that he is. He made you able, you have enough brains to run it, so run it. I remember Litono, I had dinner with him a few times, and old Litono used to say, well I gave ninety percent of my income last year to God.

You know, gave away ten million at a time, five million, seven million, so what? You know, I thought of this, and I may be wrong, I'm sure I'm right, that when you make a gift to anybody in the things of God, I don't think God looks at that gift.

He looks at what you have left. Some of you students couldn't give ten dollars away, somebody else could give it and not miss it at all. It wouldn't make a bit of a difference. Here's my angel coming, thank you, I hope it's tea, no it's water, oh dear, thank you.

Very good. That's Adam's ale. There's nothing, there's nothing worth bathroom. And now suddenly some people lose all that they've gained maybe for ten years or twenty years, they can lose it in ten seconds.

I've only climbed mountains once and it was in Scotland, they're not very high for sure. But I noticed this, the higher we got it got lonelier. You got a place where you couldn't stay at the side of somebody, you went all by yourself.

But the higher you got it was more lonely, but looking back the view was so good. Now you could slip off that mountain, or say you're in the Alps or somewhere, you could climb for a whole week and not get to the top.

And then the next day suddenly you're a bit careless and the rope breaks and you're going down 15 ,000 feet, it won't take you long, it may take you seven days to get up the mountain, you can get down in as many seconds nearly.

And how often men, we talked, I talked today with a man from Canada, told me about a disaster in their city, a man who had been preaching for so long and suddenly they had a marvelous ministry in a big church, suddenly got infatuated with somebody in the church, some young woman or what, and then bang, lost his ministry, is scorned by saints and sinners alike.

How easily we can forfeit, lose our reward, lose our joy, whether he loses his soul or not isn't my point right here. But I'll tell you what, there'll be lots of men who get there at the judgment seat and they'll have 40 years and God won't give them a dime for it.

Because a lot they did in the energy of the flesh. A lot they did, as in the case where Jesus says, depart from me I never knew you, he doesn't say I never knew your works, he says I never knew you, you and I never had a living relationship.

I don't remember the day I got married to you, you're part of the bride, or you said you were and you got married to Jesus. And then you follow the whole thing up and you can do miracles and signs and wonders afterwards.

I think David Wilkerson, he wasn't sitting, he was standing here the other week when we had a kind of a private meeting with the last day's ministry, I think he said almost the very same thing. There's so many disasters around, that look when Satan comes and he will come.

People say faith can do anything, all right bring him here, if you know a guy like that bring him to the meeting next Friday night, and I'll ask him by faith to strangle the devil. Clear a lot of mess up wouldn't it?

Faith can't kill the devil, faith can't cancel all history, a lot of things that faith can't do. And yet it's a necessary ingredient if we're going to be built up in our most holy faith. Why didn't they enter into the land?

Because of unbelief. Why didn't some others? Because what they had was not mixed with faith in them that heard it. You see reading the Bible won't make you a saint, but if you get the word of God in you and let it work out, it will.

We've never had more Bible knowledge than we have now, heavens, heavens, heavens. I keep getting catalogs, get this set of tapes, only $65, get these, only something, only something. Well you could pave this floor with cassettes and then line the walls with them, it doesn't necessarily.

Knowledge, knowledge in itself is not experiencing God, and you know what? Again one of our greatest dangers in the Christian life is to let our achievements become the ground of our confidence. Oh I know, I've been doing this for 50 years, I've preached in so many countries, I've done this, I've done that, and their confidence is in their works, what they've done.

You know if such people were cast onto the Isle of Patmos or put into prison like the Apostle Paul, they'd die, they'd die within a week. Because they've no publicity, because they're not projecting themselves, because there's no halo around their head.

Now if you don't get fascinated with those things you won't lose them. But he says we have a home eternal in the heavens, that's number one. Let's see how my watch is going, it's still going unfortunately.

Anchor Two: The Judgment Seat of Christ

The second thing is in verse 10, we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ that everyone may receive the things done in his body according to that he hath done whether it be good or bad. Now that gives you confidence.

They kicked him around like a football, okay? They tie him to a tree and whip his back 195 times. Three times he suffered shipwreck, once he was stoned. I'm sure he limped, I'm sure one of his eyes was down here, I'm sure his face was all torn.

Because you can't get baptized with stones, you know, and keep your pretty complexion. And he'd been beaten up and roughed it and everything. But he says listen, I don't have to retaliate. The Lord's going to do the retaliating at the end of the line.

All he asked me to do is be obedient. Not to look around and say, well they're not carrying as much load, forget it, forget it. You know what? And they won't get the same reward when they get to eternity anyhow.

I used to wonder how in the world is that scripture, this jiggery pokery, you know, the first should be last and the last should be first. I got no problems with it now. No problems. I've told a class here, let me tell you again, many times about a man that Dave Wilkerson brought into my office and we talked, with a man who does, has a minimum of five hours a day.

I nearly said a week. A minimum of five hours a day in prayer, a maximum of ten hours. He had been praying a minimum of seven and a maximum of eighteen hours a day. He prays at the back of a church in a little room, he prays, he told me, till the sweat he can't get his shirt off.

He prays until he's lost his voice, he likes to pray audibly because if you don't you may fall asleep, but you don't fall asleep if you're really talking and doing that. Now nobody writes that man up.

You see this country isn't held together by the army, nor England or anywhere else. We're not held together by the army, we're not held together, being held together. It's not the army that's holding us together, it's not the Air Force holding us together, it's the saints of God.

If there were no saints, God would breathe fire from heaven and roast us right now. The people that scorn us don't realize we are their insurance policy. We're the salt of the earth. Well if the saints are the salt of the earth, surely praying people must be the salt of the church.

Now what keeps Paul, what makes him tick, well this is what makes him tick, number one he says, it's a bit rough now, but you know what, I've got a mansion on Main Street in eternity. I'm going to be there forever and ever, I'm going to see the king in his beauty, I'm going to a place where there's no discord, there's no rivalry, there's no bloodshed, nothing unmerciful, everything is, it's every utopia you ever dream of all put together, and then it surpasses all of them.

You can take all the utopias you like, from Moore to everybody else. God will never be second best in anything. All he does is par excellence. I've got a home in the heavens, I don't understand the ups and downs, I don't understand the tricks of politics.

He says, but I'll tell you what, there's only one road. I remember saying that in my office one day to Keith Green, and I said, Keith, they used to say that all roads lead to Rome. He said, well then it's changed, I said, what is it, he said, all roads lead to the judgment seat of Christ.

They do. Whether you go out to the Waldorf Astoria, or you go from some old bum flea house on Second Avenue, Third Avenue in New York, all roads lead. See, if somebody tells you they don't believe in God, say, all right, how old are you?

Oh, I'm 60 years of age, I'm smart and wise. Say, hey, come and tell me when you're 120 years of age. What? I said, you call me when you're 120 years of age. Well nobody makes up, why don't they? When men say, I want to obey God's laws, I say, well look, there's a funeral going down the street, he obeyed it, and you'll obey before long.

I read an article where, in Russia, they're angry always because they can't find life in perpetuity. A man got a plastic heart yesterday, wasn't he, it was in the newspaper. The whole world of science is amazed at it.

So what? I know thousands of people who have hearts of stone. What is it about a plastic heart? And the suggestion that it will wear out, but before it wears out you can put a new one in. No, no, no, no.

We don't live by this old ticker in here, we've got a spirit within us, a spirit eternal. God is a spirit. I'm a spirit. And he speaks spirit to spirit. All right. He says, you know, I can see him there just saying, well I don't care about this, it doesn't worry me at all.

Have you heard the news that Caesar's going to do? No, I don't care about Caesar. You know what Agrippa's going to do? I don't care about Agrippa. Are you not the chief rabbi? I don't care about it. Do you know how many men have taken a vow to kill you?