Diving Deep into the Distraction: Unpacking the Minnesota Shooting

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Christian life, and on this episode, we will be providing for you an interview that I was part of on Dead Man Walking Podcast with my friend

Greg Moore and a fellow friend, Corey Wing, as we talked about some of the things going on in Minneapolis, what was really behind it.

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Welcome back to another episode of Dead Man Walking Podcast. I'm your host, Greg Moore. You can find out more about us at dmwpodcast .com.

I was hoping that muscle memory would come back on that intro. We've been off for a full month, the longest we've ever taken off for almost six years.

I don't know why I'm saying we. I don't have a mouse in my pocket. I have taken off for a month. Just got back from a seven -day cruise with my wife.

That was much needed. Spent some time with the family over the holidays, much needed. Got a little bit of a sunburn and a little bit of a cold, if you can hear it in my voice, on the last day.

So I've been battling that for a couple days. So I'm actually recording this on the same day that you will probably get it here in a few hours after we edit down, because there's nothing like waiting to the last minute.

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I don't want to have... If you're watching this, you're seeing two gentlemen, two friends, two scholars, two ragamuffins, two...

What's some other words? That's accurate. Sitting on the video. So I want to introduce them, Corey Wing from Civically Minded and Andrew Rappaport, Striving for Eternity and his 972 podcasts that he has.

You can click on the link below while you're watching or listening to this right now and find out where you can find those guys.

And I highly recommend you pause this, ignore what I'm saying. Go click, subscribe, follow everything that they're doing.

Your life will be better for it. Boys, how you doing? Well, I feel I should go throw a suit on the way Corey's dressed.

Just saying. Look it, Corey is the best dressed podcaster in the business. We all know this. He can wear a beanie, a regular hat.

What are those ones called? The only thing I can't wear is hair. He can't make me laugh,

I'm coughing over here. Yeah, he's the hat wearer because he has no hair. But yeah, he's the best dressed man in podcasting.

We all know that. But yeah, Corey's here. Andrew, how you doing, brother? You doing all right? Yeah, I am traveling, so my background looks a little different.

The mic is not as good as I would like because I forgot to bring a mic with me on travel. You know, you're coming through loud and clear now.

We had a little issue there before we went into recording, but you're sounding good now. That's good because I have to do a project live tomorrow night.

I got Jim Osmond coming on talking about the Demon Hunters. Oh, nice. I don't know if you follow it.

Yeah, that's going to be his next book. I'm going to have to say this. I'm going to have to say this. If Corey's the best dressed, Andrew is definitely the best at shameless self -promotion.

So you heard it here. Go watch that tomorrow. This is live every Thursday. What time does it start?

7, 9, 8? 8 Eastern, but I learned from the best. Greg Moore of Dead Man Walking.

Yeah, that's right. Pot calling the kettle black. And I did see in the background there, Corey, you've got the Captain America shield.

That thing looks real. It doesn't look plastic. Is that made out of like steel or metal or something? What do you got going on?

It's the last remaining vibranium on earth. Wakanda forever.

Yeah, it was a Lego that my wife made a couple of years back and she had it up somewhere else and she was like, this thing's huge.

I need it somewhere else. And it just fit there. And I was kind of like, yeah, it works. I'll put it there. Yeah. Also, I see in the background, we have a civically minded coffee cup there on your right.

Maybe you're my right. And then look at it. I got one here, too. Matching over. You do. You do the right thing.

No, I'm pointing. No other way. Geez. Yep. There we go. Right there. Right there. Go get yourself a coffee cup, guys, too, because it's my wife's favorite coffee cup.

I have one that says world's best dad. So that's I'm a little biased on that coffee cup. But the nice thing I like about those and this isn't.

So who did you steal that from? He graciously gave me one. I didn't have to go lift it from his podcast studio when he wasn't looking.

So thank you. I was talking about your coffee cup. My biggest complaint about coffee cups is when they make the loop too small.

Right. And this is a big loop. You have the big loop. Some people go and they cheap out and they go with the small loop.

All right. I don't I don't drink pinky up. I don't like two fingers. I want to get three, maybe four fingers in that coffee cup.

Yeah. And the civically minded coffee cup does exactly that. But we didn't come here to talk coffee cups.

All right, guys, it's been a month off. It probably seems like I'm talking a little fast. I'm excited to be back with the people, to be back with both of you brothers who just found out about this episode about 12 minutes ago.

So thank you. That's how that's how we do things here at Deadman Walking. You just start texting friends and go, hey, you want to talk about a shooting?

Sure. Which means I'm sitting around the house in a, you know, a sport coat and a dress shirt.

That's I was I was thinking that I was thinking that. Yeah. But he has no pants on. He has no he has no pants on.

So don't worry. You know, you'd almost make a good early 80s. You'd make a good fundamentalist preacher.

I knew a guy, you know, fundamentalist preacher. He, you know, mowed his lawn in his suit.

You know, you got to you got to do that when you're a fundamentalist Baptist. So I think when you're Presbyterian, when the shooting went down,

I was in international waters. I did have access to Wi -Fi, no calling, but texting and Wi -Fi.

So I was checking my phone every once in a while. Tried to stay off it as much as I could. But I was wondering, I respect both of yours opinions.

We agree on a lot of things, you know, outside of me and Corey being the only two covenant theologians here.

But you only get to be that for 70 years or so. But I had to throw it in there.

But you guys give me give me your first first opinions on this. I've seen I've seen multiple videos of it. I don't know if we want to spend so much time on justified or not.

We can talk about that. I think it was justified in a sense, and I'll expand on that. But I want to talk about broader themes, too, of what we're seeing from this particular political party in this kind of movement of progressivism and leftism and where they're getting this.

It seems like absolute craziness to to to I don't want to stand up to, but to incite and disobey law enforcement and things like that.

But I'll throw it out to either one of you guys. You guys have first thoughts on this. Go ahead, Andrew. I was giving it to you.

Oh, well, OK. No one wants to talk about it. Great. I'm not bashful. I'll cut to the quick right from the bat and then kind of backtrack if that's

OK. So and I think both you guys would agree. And certainly, Andrew, from a pastoral standpoint,

I think you'll agree. I think all of these authority figures that are being pushed back against, you know, whether whether that's

ICE, whether that's DHI, Border Patrol, Donald Trump himself as president, you know,

Kristi Noem, on and on and on, doesn't doesn't matter at what level, you know, from from local to state to federal, all of these authority figures that that are just completely being pushed back against all the time are merely standing in as figureheads for God.

And what do I mean by that? The heart of the lost man or woman hates God. We're told that in Scripture very clearly.

They rebel and reject the authority of God. They cannot stand the idea that anyone, regardless of authority position, regardless of in God's case, the fact that they created the universe, including them, they don't like the idea that anyone's going to tell them what to do, how they can live their life, how they can't live their life.

So all of this fundamental rejection of authority, in my humble opinion, all stems back to this is a rejection of the most fundamental authority of all, which would be that of the creator

God. So so anyone is a is a decent stand in when you're just mad at your your ultimate dad.

Yeah. Andrew, what do you think? Yeah, well, I'll take a step further back and say this entire thing is just a distraction.

You could have expected it. In fact, I called it once they started finding the fraud that was in the

Somali community. They they were looking for something to to just to distract. This is yet another distraction for the

Democrats to get away from the fact that they have been robbing taxpayers for votes.

And part of me feels we shouldn't fall for the distraction. But there's an aspect of this that I think you want to hit on,

Greg, which is why the I mean, you know, I think I posted a thing. It was what, 77 or 88 days.

They they went from no kings to we want to, you know, restore the dictator to Venezuela.

Right. You know, it's they got to have whiplash in in flipping their heads back and forth so quickly between what they're protesting.

I mean, these are professional protesters. Many of them. Yeah, there is many of them. And, you know,

I heard one that claimed he makes 80 grand a year protesting. He's been to 100 protests.

I'm going maybe I'm in the wrong line of work. Yeah. So here's kind of my thought on it, too.

And I wanted to get to the broader points because there's a little let me first say this. Politically, there's a little bit of a libertarian streak in me,

OK? And I'm always very and maybe it's also my sense of justice, too, as a believer. But I'm always looking at people in authority and making sure that they are not usurping their authority or using it incorrectly as as aligned in the

Bible. Right. So any police officer that is misusing their authority, whether whether that's beating or mistreating or stepping over constitutional bounds,

I'm always looking at that. And I will call and I will call that person out, man or woman, whoever's doing it, politician, police officer,

FBI agent, ICE agent, whatever it is. So that's the very first thing I look at when I see a video like this.

The second thing that has changed in me over the years is I was very for years and years, very crass on this very black and white.

Look at if you and I'm just being raw and honest here, you know, maybe 10 years ago, you would ask me and you say, look at if you disobey the the commands of an officer and it ends up you dying.

Well, stupid is as stupid does your dead. And it was very crass. But I might be technically right.

But I don't know if it took into the account the the love and grace and mercy of Christ that I am to reflect in my fellow image bearers as Christ has done for me.

As I've gotten a little bit older, there is a part of me that looks at this woman who is a pagan, who was a lesbian, who, you know, adopted a child, who obviously, the way she acted, you know, criminal record and some mental illness.

I also have a have a little bit of of empathy for that. And I go, she she was an image bearer of God.

And she died at the hands of bullets to the face and chest because she is so tricked into believing a certain set of whether it be policies or agendas or, you know, theology, so to speak.

And I disagree totally with her. But also my heart goes, what are we doing as Christians to reach these people who have basically gotten to a height of insanity because of decades and decades of lies being told to them, their own heart, like Corey just said, rejecting

Christ, hating authority, hating God. So there's a balance of that, too, to where I say

I can say as a, you know, a right conservative Christian nationalist who, you know, says, yeah, absolutely.

If you're doing something illegal, the authorities should be arresting you or deporting you or whatever. I can also say, you know,

I have to show there's a little sadness there that it had to go this far and had to result in death.

Right now, look at the far right of the new right. If they hear this, they're going to go, oh, this guy's a wussy, this guy, you know, whatever, because you cannot show any type of mercy towards someone who has died doing something stupid, who we don't agree with, who's a pagan.

And I'm wondering if that is part of the reason why we're having such divisions within the

Christian right and the Christian movement right now as well. But I said all that to say this.

I want to talk a little bit about why these people are acting this way. You know, liberal women have been fed a lie for so long that they don't necessarily need a husband.

They don't, in feminism too, they don't need a husband. You don't need kids. They're a burden, a boredom, murder them, go get a career, go be an activist.

And we all know that, all three of us know, that God has created men and women extremely differently, and women especially, with natural caretaking abilities and tendencies, right, very emotional.

And they've now focused that energy to their cats, to the supposed immigrant that's a victim, to black culture, to anyone that they think that they need to support or help or nurture.

And I think we see not only corporations in the left, but also activism taking full advantage of that and going, yeah, go run wild on the streets.

Everyone is a victim. You go help them by putting on your pink hat, running through the streets, your

BLM sweatshirt, and go fight these ICE officers in the street and possibly run them over.

And it's very, very sad. Do you guys have any type of feeling or thoughts on that?

Well, let me say this. There's one aspect we have to take into account with this issue, just legally.

There's debate on whether she was trying to hit the officer or not.

And I think there is debate you can have. And I think this gets into some of the emotion of it. Not to what you were saying, but there are people who, even in Christian circles, who are being drawn because she was distracted by an officer that was trying to get her, detain her, and was in her car window.

The girlfriend is saying, drive, baby, drive. So she may not, in the split second, we talk about the split second decision the officer had to make.

Her split second decision was she heard her friend say, drive. She starts driving.

She may not have looked up in time. However, legally, none of that matters. Once she blocked the road, she set up an ambush possibility.

And right then and there, whether she knew it or not, she allowed for lethal force to be used against her at that moment.

The fact that she drove into him is what determined him to say, okay, we have to keep in mind he had already been dragged several hundred feet previously.

So he made a quick decision, split second decision. We're looking at it in hindsight and frame by frame and making decisions.

But whether she knew it or not, had put herself in a position where she was breaking the law and put herself where he had every legal right to do what he did.

To the question you asked of how did she get there? People have been gaslit so much to hate

Donald Trump. And that's really what it comes down to is they now have to keep this system where they do not expose the fraud that keeps them employed, keeps their power.

And you have a whole generation of people that have decided they don't want anything to do with God.

They want to remove God from society. Well, when you remove God from society, you remove the accountability that you have to your creator.

Sure. And when that is gone, and the studies show if people don't believe that there's an afterlife where they're accountable to God, they feel that their morally right to do whatever is best for their interests.

And they have been told, and if you listen to the video, the longer video, you hear them chanting

Nazis to the ICE agents. ICE are law enforcement. I know there's people that are saying they're not.

They actually are. But when you actually believe that they are

Nazis, they're taking people off the streets and exterminating them.

When you really believe that as they've been told for years now, then in their mindset, it is the morally right thing to do.

The problem is you can't reason with these people. They're completely emotional.

If you see any of the interviews on the streets, they can't handle conversation. They killed

Charlie Kirk and they felt justified on it. And then they're upset when someone who's breaking the law and attacking a police officer gets shot in the process.

Sure. And it might be, yeah, they hate Trump. But I think, and Corey, I wanna bring you in on this.

I think there's broader themes to that too. I think you can go, yep, we hate the

Republicans, we hate Trump. But you also have people from many different backgrounds, socioeconomic status, ethnicity, the whole thing that are progressives and that will stand on the side of the street and call a nice agent a

Nazi. And to your point, Andrew, you say these people can't be reasoned with.

One of the things that I've found is if I can figure out why people are thinking or acting or believing a certain way on top of preaching the gospel to them, that's first and foremost.

I think sometimes if I can see things from their point of view and understand why they're thinking that way, it helps me communicate with them a lot better.

Corey, what do you think? Are there broader themes here going on just besides, hey, we hate

Trump? Well, yeah, I mean, I think there is a, it's such a multi -layered, multi -faceted issue and it's been going on now for decades.

I mean, none of us on the call are even in our 30s. I am rapidly approaching not being in even my 40s.

So I mean, all of us are old enough to remember when this country looked pretty different than what it's looking like right now.

To the point, and I just want to touch on this briefly, to the point that Andrew made about the legality of this, even

Chicago Police Superintendent Snelling, and I can't remember his first name, he even came on, and again, this is

Chicago. This is not a bastion of like conservatism. Even he came on and said, look, they're officers of the law.

If you box them in, they have every right to think that you are ambushing them, and then to take appropriate steps to defend themselves.

Well, with that, let me just put a caveat to that because a lot of people don't know, that video that's going around is not recent.

That's from two, I think it was two years ago. What video is that? The field thing where he got up and said that if you box in police officers, that ICE is police, and if you box them in, it's a criminal offense.

People are thinking he's saying that in light of this. It was actually a couple of years ago. No, I think it was 2023. Yeah, I think he said that in 2023.

He came into office in 2023. To Andrew's point,

I do think it was then, but it is still true. I mean, and he wasn't conservative, nor was Chicago in 2023, nor is it now.

But I do think that there's a broader tearing down of, again, of structures.

So sure, they hate Donald Trump. They hate America. And Donald Trump and his entire movement is

MAGA, Make America Great Again. They don't believe America was ever great. They have bought hook, line, and sinker because most of them were educated in a system that, the history book that has been used in most of American public schools,

I want to say, for the last 40 or 50 years is A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.

It's a atrocity. That is one of the worst books I've ever read in my life.

It's so full of Marxist ideology and anti -American hatred.

It perpetuates this idea that there are unique American sins. Chief among them would be, of course, slavery, which is, again, not saying slavery wasn't an evil or chattel slavery, especially the way that we did it here in the

United States. It is an evil. The Bible, for anyone watching that has been lied to and says that the

Bible condones that kind of thing or because the Bible says there are slaves and talks about slavery, that the

Bible condones chattel slavery, which is man -stealing. At no point, Old or New Testament, does the

Bible condone that. Man -stealing in all of the Bible is punishable by death. Again, you talk about gaslighting.

That is gaslighting of the highest order. When you've been told from the time you could think all the way up through elementary school and then high school and on into college, and a lot of the problems here in this country are highly educated, mostly women.

There are men that are problematic as well, don't get me wrong. But if you just look at statistics, it is mostly highly educated, white women.

Renee Good is a great example of it. She is a perfect example of what a majority of the sociological problem in this country is.

They have bought that we are an evil, terrible country that doesn't deserve to exist.

Anything would be better, including a guy like a Nicholas Maduro, who is an evil from the word go, whose own people were celebrating in the streets.

Cuba was celebrating in the streets. Columbia was celebrating in the streets. All of Central and South America was celebrating that Nicholas Maduro had been captured and taken.

But the people from Columbia in New York City, and I don't mean Columbia the country, but Columbia University and the folks from NYU, golly, they know better.

It's such a laughable stain on our culture, quite honestly.

They think that we're the rubes. What makes me laugh so hard is these are the least educated, truly educated.

They've been indoctrinated, that's true. But these are the least educated, most hyperbolically biased people

I've ever known. When I've thought about it, and I've said this is a decades old problem.

I thought about it recently in regards to a different problem that all three of us are very familiar with, especially as Christians, which would be the abortion issue, which has been going on for a long time now.

I am of the age, as again, are both of you. I remember back in the 80s and even into the early and mid 90s, when we as Christians were convinced across the board, we were convinced that if the science would catch up, if only we could crack a little bit more scientific knowledge, and we could prove definitively that an unborn child was indeed a human being, was actually a child, it wasn't a zygote, it wasn't all the little catchphrases.

Felt pain, had a heartbeat at this amount of time. That they really from the word go from conception, that's a human being.

It's just a matter of development. That's all we're talking about is stages of development. If we could prove that, then certainly

Roe v. Wade would be overturned. Abortions would crash to single digits.

It'll never go to zero because sin, but single digit numbers across the country. Then we cracked the human genome in the late 90s when

I was in college. The most horrific thing in the world happened. We had to admit they didn't care.

The science did catch up and they didn't care. There's an episode of Bill Maher's show, and I can't think of the name of the show all of a sudden, but Bill Maher was recently about six, eight months ago on his own show.

He has this whole clip. I've put it on my channel when I talked about this a couple months ago. He says,

I admit it's a child and I admit that it's even murder. I just don't care. There's 8 billion people in the world.

No one will miss you. He says it out loud. As long as we continue to think that this is a negotiable problem, meaning that intelligence or some kind of a linguistic tool or something that we could be clever enough to engage in the right kind of argument.

There's no argumentation that will win this war. This is so deeply held. This is religious to them.

We gladly admit that we are religious. We're Christians, so we freely admit it.

They have convinced themselves they are non -religious while holding to these theories that they have with such religious fervor that they have proven they're willing to kill for it.

The same people that are saying, say her name over this instance. Again, we could debate all night on whether it was justified, non -justified.

She was in an area she shouldn't have been in. If she had a husband at home who was half decent, I wouldn't let my wife go and do what she did.

Neither of you would let your wives go and do what she did. So misogynistic, fine. Tweet, call me.

You can find me as civically minded, let me know. You can tell me what a jerk I am. I'll sleep fine tonight.

No man would let their wife go and do what she pulled. She died somewhat, not saying fully, but somewhat because of her own actions.

Charlie Kirk, again, I hated what happened to him. I was an execution in broad daylight for the public to watch.

But, and I don't say but like I'm okay with it. To them, they were like, but he deserved it. He was out just fomenting hatred and all of this stuff.

Again, I disagree with that, but fine. Let's, for argument's sake, let's say that I can put that in a weird category where I go, okay,

I live in Charlotte or just outside Charlotte. Irina Zirutska had done nothing. She was sitting on public transportation.

That's all she'd done. She was guilty of sitting on public transportation. And she was brutally stabbed and murdered, again, in front of a bus full of people.

And very few people talked about it. The left certainly didn't say her name and go all bananas over it.

The people that I did see that went nuts over it were Christians, by and large, and people on the right.

The left didn't care about Irina Zirutska. Well, they can't because the perpetrator was the wrong color, but go on.

Well, but that's the thing. That's what I guess I'm getting at is the narrative. This is such a narratival argument.

This is such a worldview clash that until we understand that this is the old clash, this is the garden replaying itself.

I also tend to believe that we are under a certain element of God's judgment, and it's playing out in front of our eyes.

I think we were, and I agree with men like Doug Wilson and others, that we were and even are a

Christian nation that is apostatized from the Lord. And we are being punished for our apostasy that God will only put up with so much.

And corporately, while individually, he continues to bless Christians all over the place, obviously, corporately as a nation.

And we as Americans don't understand that categorical thinking. We are so ruggedly individualistic to quote

Zohran Mamdani. We are so ruggedly individualistic that we do struggle with the

Bible when it talks about corporate -type belief. It is really hard for us as non -Semitic, modern -day

Americans to read an ancient book from a Semitic culture—thank you, Andrew, as our

Semitic representative—and understand that they wouldn't even, they wouldn't understand.

They would look at a country like ours, and they wouldn't even really be able to understand our societal makeup.

It would be really confusing for most of them. So when we look at, can God judge us corporately as a nation while still blessing us individually?

Well, of course he can. And I believe that's exactly what's happening in many cases. Yeah. You know, to go back to your earlier statement at the beginning of the show about the hatred of God and authority, that's what

I see what's going on here in a broader theme too, because you've had liberal politicians, activists, thought leaders on that progressive side to basically tell their followers, you go settle this in the street.

You defy the authority of the law, whether like I said, that'd be a police officer, an ICE officer, and you get your justice in the street.

And here's the issue I'm seeing. This is mostly being, this is heeded mostly by liberal women who are then getting arrested, getting shot, getting killed, getting ran over.

Because here's the thing. They've grown up in decades and decades of feminist teaching that men and women are the exact same, that they should act like enraged men.

They should be aggressive like men, that they can go up to an officer, put their finger in their face, poke them in the chest, drive by them with a car, not listen to their commands.

And naturally speaking, like just from being a female in the world, that's not the way the world works for females.

Now I will correct you and say it's females of both sexes, but continue. Sure. My point being is men and women grow up very, very differently.

Let's not forget that the only reason women have any freedom is because both mostly pagan men have decided to allow them to have it.

Our society has agreed that men will allow women to have freedom. And I know women listening probably right now go, what?

I don't like to hear that. But that's the basic truth of the matter. If all men right now said women should have no rights and for whatever reason, now listen, the

Christian men might rise up and say, we have something to say about this. But I'm saying even globally, they're the weaker sex physically.

They would have none. So women walk through the world much differently than men do. I know every one of us growing up made sure we were looking over our shoulder at the bully that could beat us up.

Men get challenged all the time and we take physical fights and beatings and all these things because we're men.

Women don't. Women get to walk through the world and punch their boyfriend and then call the cops.

And when the cops come to the door, 92 % of the time when there's someone taken, it's the man, no matter if the man did something or not.

That's a crime stat that's out there. You can do whatever you want with that. What does that mean?

My point being is you have the liberal politicians and activists and thought leaders telling them, hey, go settle your beef in the street.

And women go, yeah, I can do that. I remember when I talked back to my crappy ex -boyfriend and he couldn't do anything about it because he knew he had the fear of going to prison if he laid a hand on me.

And I'm not condoning laying your hands on women. Okay. Everyone is listening. I'm saying the mindset is the same, but when you get in the street and when you have an officer with a weapon who's there to be a peacemaker, the

Bible says, and who is sworn to do that. But then like you said, Corey gets threatened or gets put in a corner.

Like you said, Andrew, the consequences are real. The consequences are life and death.

And this woman, Renee found out about that. And I'm looking and going, she's bought into this lie, this lie of let's settle it in the street.

Why are a lot of the leftists, a lot of the progressives going, we're not using the court system.

Look at, I was taught at a very young age, a police officer, I wasn't allowed to call them cops. My dad said, you call them police officers, right?

Cops can call each other cops. You show them the proper respect. They've been instituted by the Lord. Whether you agree or disagree with them, if they use excessive force, if they do something that's unconstitutional or unlawful, we settle that in the courts with the jury of your peers.

That's just the way I was brought up. And I still believe that to this day. But you have many from the left burning things down, looting, challenging police officers,

ICE officers, running them over with their cars, stepping in front of their cars. That's always kind of comical to me.

You'll see a guy that's a 180 pounds trying to stop a 4 ,000 pound SUV, right? Like, what are we doing?

But they bought into this lie and the leftists have decided we're not going to use the courts.

We're not going to use the justice system. We're going to do this ourselves. And then they get into an uproar when someone loses their life over it.

Is it just because their broader hatred of authority because of their paganism and because they reject

God and shake their fist at them? And we know, all three of us sitting here, that authority and patriarchal systems are godly and are good.

And that's part of it. What do you guys think? They have patriarchy. Again, you're talking, you've got to go back a couple of generations to when fathers were even the norm.

For the last two or three generations, most black American children have been raised in a non -fathered home if they've not been aborted.

An increasing number of Hispanic and white children are also being raised in non -fathered homes. So what you're seeing is the continuation of a complete rampant culture of non, any kind of accountability.

They didn't have it growing up. The teachers in schools aren't allowed to give it either. So there's no teachers that have given it to them.

Their parents didn't give it to them. We live in a society where you can't give it to each other. We are, again, all of us have said it a number of times in this episode.

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As always, Apologetics Live is part of the Christian Podcast Community. All of us are old enough to remember a time when if you were a young man, whether you're 10, 12, 15 years old, all the way up to, say, maybe 20, 25 years old, and you jaw jacked to the wrong guy, he was going to tune you up.

And no one was going to squawk to the police about it. I mean, we didn't pull knives on each other back in those days.

We didn't pull a gun on each other. We just went behind a woodshed and dealt with it. And that is gone.

That society has long since died. And because it has, there's been no accountability.

And these dumb things haven't helped. You get on X and Instagram and say... Holding up a phone for those on the audio.

All right. Social media. Thank you, Andrew, for reminding me. Social media has only perpetuated this.

You can say any vile thing you want to say on social media, hide behind the anonymity of a screen, whether you're an anon or not.

You could even have your name and your face post. Doesn't matter. But especially if you're an anon, you can say any vile thing you want to say.

There's no accountability whatsoever for your actions. And we have perpetuated that now for probably 40 to 50 years.

And this is... We're now coming home to roost to what that looks like. Andrew? You know,

Greg, you made a point that... Do they realize this is for real? If you listen to the comment after the shot, he yelled at the officer that he was using real bullets.

So let that sink in. He did not conceive of the fact that there would be a consequence, let alone that they would use real bullets.

The part of the victimhood of these women and these protesters is the fact that they're being told that they not only have a right and a duty to take it to the streets, but that there's not going to be any consequence.

You were saying, Corey, that, yeah, the fathers aren't there for accountability. The teachers aren't going to do it.

Well, the judges won't either. I mean, some of these people... Irina Zaruzka. Irina Zaruzka is a perfect example.

Exactly. I mean, the guy who killed her and her crime, really, her crime was being white.

That was her crime. Because he was saying he killed a white woman. He was just thrilled he killed a white person.

And the judges are just going to let him out again. Because, oh, his upbringing.

Well, his upbringing, we can blame on the Democrat Party who brought drugs in to fund black ops that they were doing.

And they brought the drugs into black communities. They destroyed the black family. And it's like, they destroyed the black family.

And they go, oh, but that's okay. We got abortion for you. And then we got welfare for you. And you just keep voting for us and we'll keep you enslaved.

We won't let you get ahead. We won't let you have what we keep saying we're going to provide for you. Very quickly,

Andrew, I just want to insert this fact that that Corey was talking about earlier about fatherlessness in the black community from 1870 to about 1904, or about 1920.

The black community had higher marriage rates and more dual parent families than whites in the

United States. And you can go read that Thomas Sewell has some of those so well has some of those stats.

And so does Frederick Douglass in his book, absolutely amazing how fast government dependency and the

Democrats have torn down the minority community. But go on. Because when they were struggling against real racism, when they were struggling in not what they call racism today, today, everything you disagree with me, it's racism.

But when you're they were dealing with real racism, they had to stick together. When they brought the drugs into that community, it destroyed the communities.

Okay. And so they don't have the look. The issue is not whether you're black or Hispanic or white.

It's what Corey hit on fatherlessness. That is the core issue. Bill Cosby got blasted because he said that because he's not supposed to to mention that it's supposed to be the color of skin.

But you have all these people that feel that. Wait a minute. Andrew, out of all the examples you could have gave of someone who said that you chose

Bill Cosby. That didn't do well. Let's go. Let's go with Larry Elder instead.

He said that. I like Larry Elder a little better. Yeah, I love you. I mean, you look at the fact that what you have is a bunch of people who are, as you know, if you study

Marxism, they are the useful idiots. I'm not talking about their intellect.

This is the term that was used when speaking of Marxism, people that would be used as pawns.

Look, the reality is when Mrs. Good or Mrs. Good got killed, there were many people of the people that were supporting her that were glad.

And that's hard to hear. They were thrilled because they don't care about her life.

They care about their cause and their power. And they were thrilled that someone died that they could say, see, let's distract from what's going on with Somali fraud, because this is how we're getting our votes and staying in power.

We can now distract and redirect all the anger. We can relive the

BLM two years of rioting and looting and protesting, if you want to call it that, for the sake of people dying.

They're okay with that, as long as they can keep their power base. Andrew, you're right.

And I'm certain because of your political background too, this comes directly out of Saul Alinsky style playbook.

That's exactly right. If you read Rules for Radicals by Saul Alinsky, which lest anyone who's listening or watching doesn't know,

Obama was a Saul Alinsky and is a Saul Alinsky acolyte. Hillary Clinton did her master's thesis on Saul Alinsky.

Guys, Saul Alinsky is their godfather. He is their messiah. He taught them everything they know.

And so this non -accountability that I'm talking about starts so far at the top that,

I mean, the Clintons, speaking of the glorious Clintons, and hopefully none of their paragons are listening or I might end up dead, the

Clintons have been called to Congress to answer for - Cory is not suicidal, everyone. No, no,

I'm not. No. Three young kids and a beautiful wife that I don't deserve. No, I want to live. But they've ignored a congressional subpoena.

Yeah, I saw that. Trump - But can you hear the reason? The reason is what blows me away.

They just said, they who have never spoken about this, never been called to testify about this, said enough is enough.

We have issues we have to deal with and we're not going to... There's no evidence

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I mean, the hypocrisy is everywhere, okay? You can see it, but the thing you have to recognize is that we have a party that is willing to destroy

America for the sake of their power. Now, let's go back to 2020, 2021, okay?

Many of us back then were saying to stand up to law enforcement because they were doing things illegally.

Sure. Okay? The issue is, and so I want to address this because some people go, well, see, back then you were saying not to wear masks when law enforcement was saying to wear masks, or at least

I was, and walking through airports without a mask. But the thing is that there is a difference.

In the United States of America, the law of the land is the constitution. When they were arresting people for being on public property and saying they were trespassing, or opening the doors and inviting people in the

Capitol and then arresting them for taking photographs, and that is different than when you are blocking law enforcement and trying to interfere with what they're doing, putting their lives at risk, whether you're causing an ambush situation, doxing them, trying to get everyone to go after their families.

When you're doing that, that is a very different thing than taking some photographs in the

Capitol building. Well, not only that, but you make a very good point, Andrew. We all know, we all have a friend, we share a friend in Gabe Wrench, who was worshiping out in public, wasn't socially distancing, air quote.

Officers came up to him, said, we're going to arrest you. He peacefully said, okay, didn't fight back, didn't pull out his gun, didn't try to ram him with a car, went to jail, went to court, and then turned around, sued the court.

And I'm not going to tell you what the sum of money was, but it was a nice sum of money that he won because of the unconstitutional things the police officer did.

So you're making the point of we have a dead woman who tried to run over an

ICE officer, and then we have a gentleman who went through the same type of thing, did it legally, did it through the court system, not only was fine, but also came out financially ahead because he said, then we will sue you because what you did was unconstitutional.

So those are the two different - The difference between George Floyd, who died of a fentanyl overdose, or Ms.

Good, who died because she was running into a police officer, whether purposeful or not, okay, that doesn't matter, her intent doesn't matter in that situation.

You compare those two to Charlie Kirk. What did we do when Charlie Kirk was assassinated?

We prayed. You saw prayer vigils everywhere. So when we look at this and they say that we're the vicious ones, we're the ones that want to kill everybody.

I'm sorry, but all the violence is on one side and it's not ours. All the violence is on theirs.

Yeah, and I would say any violence that you do see is under the legality of trying to find criminals who are either here illegally or doing illegal acts, to which then you have consequences for your actions, right?

All of this could have been avoided in Minnesota by her just obeying the command of get out of the car.

She'd be alive today, I'm convinced, and I bet you she wouldn't even have been arrested. I mean - I don't think she really expected that she would be in any danger.

I mean, she's been to many other protests where she's done the same behavior. That's my point. And I think that she really didn't expect it.

Clearly, the girl that she's with, or was with, didn't expect it because she couldn't even believe they used real bullets.

Like, what do you think they have in their guns? Yeah, but that's my point, and I say this to both you and Corey.

You have the leaders of the progressive party, the Barbara Boxers and the Kamala Harrises and the

Hillary Clintons and all these people going, go out in the streets and fight and find your justice there and no justice, no peace.

And they're playing with fire. They're playing with their own followers' lives. You go, if you run onto the street and you physically assault, or you try to run over, you know what

I mean? A police officer, an ICE agent, an FBI agent, someone who's carrying a weapon, you're playing with your life.

That's what I'm saying. These people don't even understand they're leaders in their own agenda, their own party, their own progressiveness, hate them because they go, yeah, who cares?

We'll sacrifice some people for the broader agenda. It's not that they hate them, but it's what you said later.

Well, they're indifferent. They're indifferent to the sacrifices. They're correct. They don't care about them. They don't care.

Look, whatever they stand up and say, they're against kings. 88 days later, they're fighting for the freedom of a king, a dictator.

So the reality is that they just want to burn on the mob of useful idiots to do their bidding for their own power.

And that's why, in one sense, I do feel bad for these people that are buying into it because they really think they're doing what's morally right and good.

And yet they've just been told a lie so often. I mean, I thought it was, this goes back a bit, but when they went after Elon Musk and burning

Teslas, okay? Just think about that. The guy that is like the most green guy promoting their agenda more than anyone else, but they're not burning his cars.

They're burning everyone else's cars that already bought the day. Like you're not hurting Musk any, but it's like, we feel right because look what we did.

I still remember the video of the guy that, that scratched a Nazi symbol into this guy's

Tesla and the guy caught him on video, went and found him. And the guy was like, you know, well, you know,

Musk is, Musk doesn't own this car. I do. What did I, you know, the guy's like, well, you know, you bought the car from Musk.

That was, that was, that was some Trump derangement syndrome though, too. I mean, really, what did he do against liberals except team up with Trump for some budgetary issues and some free speech stuff that they hate?

Well, other than that, To expose the fraud that keeps them employed and keeps them, their power, right?

I mean, look, you got, you got $2 .5 billion in welfare of which over 1 .5

trillion, sorry, 2 .5 trillion. And 1 .5 trillion of it is fraud.

Yeah. You, you know, so, so the reality, if there's people who are on the welfare system saying there's not enough money for them, it's because all the illegals are getting a hundred percent of it.

They, there, there's a level of what you get when you're on the, in that system. The illegals get 100, they get the mats.

Okay. And the reason there's, you're not getting it is because there's not enough money to go around and it's all being given people to the people who they're bringing illegally to vote for them.

Now, what does it tell you that Democrats have to bring in people to this country illegally because they cannot get the votes of American citizens?

Or at least, at least not enough, right? Yeah. Because people are waking up. Corey, you wanted to say something over there?

Well, I mean, the, the, the cannon fodder or, or useful idiots that, that is, that's such an, a significant point that needs to be, you know, you, you almost couldn't drill at home enough.

It can't be overstated. I mean, when you think back to the Bolsheviks or, or, or even after post

Bolsheviks of, of the, the, you know, CCP USSR days you know, but, but especially you go back to like, say

World War II, the Russians, and this is how Russians still do war. Go look, go look at the statistics of the war they are currently in with the

Ukraine. And I'm not saying the Ukrainians are perfect in this. I think, I think their president is, is a horrible man and a joke and not much of a leader.

He's killed political opponents. He's hurt Christians. I'm not a fan of his, but the Russian war machine has always only had one philosophy.

It's throw men at it and we'll kill millions to accomplish our ends.

We don't care about our own people. We will slaughter them wholesale. As long as it's what's good for the mother country.

We are practicing that style of, of Marxist Darwinian Leninistic Stalinistic.

I mean, it's just, it's pure Russian orthodoxy. We've seen it in Russia for a hundred years or more, and we are doing it now.

Maxine Waters who goes out and does exactly Greg, what you've been saying of, you know, you take it to the streets and you, you get in their face.

You Maxine Waters ain't pulling her old bag of bones out and doing that. She wants you to do it.

Maxine Waters is 907 years old. She can barely get out of bed. None of these old farts that are, you know, the, the, the, the

Bernie Sanders of the world, none of them are doing this. Have you not picked up on the fact that none of them,

Donald Trump goes out to the people all day, every day, the man got shot in the head.

Yes. The ear is part of your head, by the way, the man got shot in the head, got up and, and, and shook his fist at the world and said, you missed me.

And every man in have, you know, missing parts between his legs when

I'll vote for that guy of every stripe Brown, black, white, every man in America that has stones saw a man that we would, we would follow into battle because this dude got up when he had just been shot.

And despite what his own protection detail wanted, he said, I want to,

I want the cameras to see me and I want them to see me say fight, fight, fight. Yeah.

And, and that is what men feel deep in their souls. So when I said earlier about women of both genders, women of both sexes,

I mean it, you know, these Nancy's that are on the left that, that are wearing their, you know, double ply masks in 2026 with the rainbow cult on it.

I mean, these are no more men than the woman that just got killed. I mean, most of them were again, fatherlessness.

Most of them were raised by a single mother or maybe two lesbian mothers. They've been emoting their entire lives because they never had a man at home who took a belt to their rear end when they were bad.

And they've never had a man that taught them how to be a man. So all of these little Nancy boys are out there perpetuating the womanhood.

That was the only parentage they ever had, you know? And so I, I agree, both of you have said it and I will agree the

Christian side of me pities, feels sorry for these lost children and they are lost children.

But my empathy for lost children can only go so far because upstairs

I have my own three children and I'll be damned if I'm going to let you tear down everything that good men built so that you can maybe kill my

Christian kids because they threaten your weird toxic world. Yeah. I think the orders of love is very important there too.

Go ahead, Andrew. There is another distraction going on. Okay. I mentioned the one distraction, right?

But I'm going to bring it back to that because what is more of a threat right now in America is not

Marxism. Even though we've been talking about them pushing this Marxism, the real threat is

Islamism. Is the, the, the, you have a group of people that they do have fatherhoods, fathers in the family, and they have lots of children and they are willing to, well, they're willing to even work with the people that they hate to get their agenda across because in Islam, you are allowed to lie to protect the faith.

It's called the Kia. Okay. They're, they'll work with those that promote homosexuality. I don't know if you guys saw the video.

There was a girl from New Jersey, from New York who went, she was protesting for Palestine and she went to Palestine because she wanted to be there with the people with her queers for Palestine sign.

And she didn't have a burqa on and they were beating her on the street and she's sitting there crying like, but I support you, but I support you as they're beating her for not wearing a burqa.

You know, the, the reality is that the real threat, you know, I, I, this country, our founding is on a freedom of religion.

But one thing you have to recognize is that we could sit here as Christians and see that we have, we, we don't believe that our politics is united a hundred percent with our, with our religion.

Our religion influences how we vote and how we view things, but you cannot separate

Islam, the religion from Islam, the politic. Sharia is part of it.

And they're, that's what they're bringing in at the heart of, of this issue is the fact that there's a bunch of Muslims, Somali Muslims who've been defrauding the

American taxpayer for years and they're being shipped back home.

And you have people that are saying, no, we can't have that. The reality is the very people, if the, if the

Muslims had their way, this woman wouldn't have been shot in her car. He would have been thrown off the building along with the girlfriend and all the rest of them.

And yet it's just, that's what they want. Yeah. To your point, you said to your point that there's another foundational pivotal thing that is taught in Islam of Jizya, you know, so, so the theft of our wealth, they consider

Jizya, which Jizya is you tax the, the non -Muslim at a higher rate than the

Muslim. You, you, you, you steal their wealth. You, you, you increase the dominance and the wealth of the

Muslim by, by burdening the non -Muslim, you know, pagan or, or, you know, what they would think of as a pagan with this incredibly high taxation.

So the theft of our resources is merely Jizya, you know, that they would see this all as completely acceptable and taught, taught firmly in, in their holy books.

Look, yeah, we, we are being attacked on many fronts in America by multiple, it's a multi -pronged attack, right?

I think that's why we just seen a rise in, in the talk of Christian nationalism and things like that of people going, look at, when are we going to get back to some sanity?

Even the common person who might not be a believer goes, man, this country has, has, you know, went to hell in a hand basket.

They don't even understand that they were coasting off of Christian morality, Christian principles, right?

Biblical, right? So even the, the average person, who's not a church goer, not a believer is going, wow, we're real backwards here because they lived in the shadow of, and benefited from 190 to 200 years of Christianity in a country that's basing their laws and morals on Christianity.

Greg, when has, when have you heard anyone complain about Muslim nationality,

Islam nationality? No, they would prefer that. They part of the religion is to be covert and to get into powers of position and then to.

But even, but even the, the, those that are not Muslim, the, the, the Democrats, the liberals that are like, they sit there and bash

Christian nationalism in a nation that was based on Christian values. And they want to promote how

Muslims were part of the founding of this country. They, they're talking about the Somalis and how they were founders of this country.

You know, you know what they contributed? Piracy. That's what they contributed. If you understand the history.

Jefferson knew how, how good the Somalis were all the way back in Jefferson's days. They, they, they, they contributed all right.

And Jefferson would say, I taught them a lesson. Yeah. I mean, why is there no complaining about Islam nationality?

You know, I just posted something on X and I know we're, we're getting up against time here. Oh, you got yourself in trouble.

So I don't even know what it is, but I just know if you, you posted something on X. I need to know.

No, it wasn't controversial at all. It just, I had read it and, and I just went, wow, how far have we come?

The old diluter Satan act of 1647 the very first law in public education,

Massachusetts Bay colony. It was the first law that was ever put out. And it basically said, and you can go read it on at real

DMW on X, but, and I put the text there. It essentially said, Hey we need to have a public standard for reading.

So if any town gets above 50 families, you will find someone who will become a grammar teacher and you will teach them the teach the children how to read because the great deceiver

Satan basically works through ignorance. And those who can't read the scriptures daily will fall prey to Satan because they can't meditate on word of God.

That was what the first law by the first colony was put out in public. Why we should have a public education system that I just found astounding.

I agree with it, but that was the reasoning. So how far we've come in 400 years from, you know, and this was obviously before the

United States of America, this is one of the first colonies in the mid 1600s, but the whole reason why you should have any public education is so children can read because the

Bible has been translated into English and shame on us. If our children aren't reading and meditating on scripture, because they will fall prey to Satan because he loves an ignorant people.

And I read that and I went, well, that's right where we're, we're back there. Now we have a nation of ignorant people who do not meditate on the word who do not read scripture, who couldn't tell you where their morality comes from or who they serve.

And this is, this is the country we get because of it. With that being said,

I kind of wanted to wrap up here, but I wanted to ask just a quick question that had nothing to do with what we're, and we talked about a lot of different things here tonight.

I appreciate you guys for just being conversational in talking about what you wanted to, what are your guys' thoughts?

And we will make this quick because I got excited about this. What are your thoughts on Greenland becoming a

Commonwealth? I know Trump's going after Greenland. We saw the prime minister come out a couple of days ago and start to cozy up to it.

Quietly, United Airlines, Delta, and some others are now reinstating one -way flights out of New Jersey and DTW, which is close to me.

I guess the administration had a talk with them and said, hey, let's start offering flights four and a half, five and a half hours direct to Greenland in preparation for this.

One, do we think it's realistic? Two, do we think we should bring Greenland into the fold?

What do you guys think, Corey? Yes. Unequivocally, yes. Again, I'm a product of the cold war.

I was born in the seventies. I'm a product of the cold war. The bear may be sleeping, but he is not dead.

And the last few years have proven that. The most direct route for Russia to get to us is right there.

When we pulled out of Iceland, the all of Russia, and I mean, this is easily documented.

You go find this. When we pulled out of Iceland, we used to have a base in Iceland. When we pulled out of Iceland, all of the activity there in the

Crimean peninsula and then the Black Sea and all of that on the Russian side exploded when

Obama and again, Andrew, you were in DC during that administration.

When Obama pulled us out or not pulled us out, but really lowered and lessened our influence and our numbers in Europe.

That's when they went into Crimea and took Crimea in 2008. So, I mean, it is quantifiable.

It is quantifiable when America has backed away from having a presence in that part of the world in a significant way.

Russia is expansionary. They just are. It's who they've always been. So yes, we should absolutely,

I don't think we should take it by force. I don't think that's even necessary. Denmark cannot afford to keep

Greenland, period. It's a burden to them to say otherwise is insane. We could easily, and again, we could do what we did in, oh,

I know, Venezuela. We built Venezuela's oil industry. We built their refineries back in the 60s and 70s.

Go look it up. So, it's about oil. Duh, it's about oil. You think the Chinese and the Russians were in Venezuela because of the food?

It's about oil. For the music. They were there for the music. You know, I mean, so, but we built the refineries.

So, guess what? It's like the Panama Canal. It's ours. It should be ours. It was our blood, sweat, finances, and tears that built it.

So, I have, I am an imperialist from way back. I make absolutely no bones about it.

Someone will run things, whether that's in my house or at my church or in this nation or even across the globe.

We don't live in a vacuum. Someone will be the big dog. Someone will run the show. You want

Russia to do it? You want China to do it? Those are only the three options. It's us, Russia, or China.

No other nation currently is big enough superpower to do it. So, which of those three powers would you like to be in charge of the world?

I pick us. All right. So, geopolitically important. Andrew, what do you think as we wrap up here? Well, first off,

I cannot confirm or deny where I was at the time of, just for the record, since you're on the record.

What we know is, as Corey said, that Russia and China are trying to get in there.

Denmark won't be able to stand for long. That's what we're told, right? I don't know that to be true.

So, I don't have a I don't have as hard of a view as Corey does. Okay. Just because I do know that some of this is propaganda for different things.

But I do think it would be safer for us to have a base that is closer to that.

If Russia and China are trying to get that, then yes, I'd be more in line with Corey and a harder position.

Look, what are we going to do? Make them the 51st state and then have them vote Democrat? No, you make them a commonwealth, just like you did

Puerto Rico, U .S. Virgin Islands when we bought those, just like Dominican Republic. And once the

Democrats get power, they're going to make them all states. I mean, they haven't yet, right? Look, commonwealths have a great deal.

Yeah, they get to sit in Congress. They don't get to vote. But they get the full tax benefit of the

U .S. federal government when they're tiny little islands that have really, you know, outside of bamboo and salt, like in the

Grand Turks and things like that. Greenland's not a tiny little island. Yeah, but Greenland only has 57 ,000 people.

I mean, it's 57 ,000 people. There's more people in my county. You know what I mean? But I'm a little selfish.

I agree with Corey. Geopolitically, it's absolutely smart. But there's a little selfishness in me that goes, I would love to hop on a plane from DTW, from Detroit Metro, and five hours later be in Greenland and be able to just walk around with my

Michigan ID and go explore those mountains and some of those little, you know, villages and things like that.

It's absolutely gorgeous country up there. So, Corey, what essentially we learned tonight is that there's more people in Greenland, there's more people in America that Greg owes money to than in Greenland.

Not that many. It's very few people, just a lot of money. All right, fellas, we're going to wrap it up here.

I appreciate you guys jumping on, talking about a very sensitive subject, but as always, you handled it well. I feel like I need to bring

Andrew back just to talk about that Minnesota fraud because you brought it up a few times and it is insanity how many billions of dollars and how brazen it was.

I'll just say this and we won't get into it. It goes deeper than just some Somalis that were committing fraud.

People had to know, politicians had to know, people higher up, they cannot be that stupid when you look into it.

Tim Walz, they started impeachment. It ended Tim Walz's reelection campaign.

He goes, I'm out. I'm sure someone had to talk with him. So on X, I shared this.

I know it's beginning of the year, but the guy who did that video, okay, where he went to the daycares,

Nick Shirley, he put an X out that said, I ended Tim Walz's career.

I shared that and said, this is a killer post and it is the post, it is the

X of the year. I'm declaring it already. That was like - Well, it was pretty early in January.

I want to send him to Kamala Harris's... If he's that good at ending political careers,

I've got about a dozen that I'd like him to go after. Kamala Harris already ended hers.

She can't even get a single vote to get in a primary. All right, guys.

Corey, civically minded. Guys, if you like this kind of talking, what Corey was talking about, civically minded, man, that's the place to go.

Corey, tell them where they can find you and follow you. Again, you can find me at civically minded. It's spelled a little funky, C -I -V -E -C -C -L -Y, civicallyminded .com

is my website. Civically Minded is my YouTube channel. You can find me on X, Instagram, TikTok, all the socials, all the stuff.

I'm a PCA pastor as well at a church here in the greater Charlotte area. Come from a reformed kind of soteriology and attack it from a covenantal perspective, but heavily into politics.

Yeah, if you're into that kind of stuff, come see me at civically minded. Awesome. And Andrew, Striving for Eternity, rap report,

Apologetics Live, tell people where they can find you. You can find everything at strivingforeternity .org.

If that's too hard for you to spell, because civically minded, if that's too hard, sfe .bible.

You can find our podcast there. We have the Christian podcast community of which these two should be part of,

I'm just saying. But hey, we got over 50 vetted podcasts, so you will find something that you like.

But mine that I do is Andrew Rapport's rap work is biblical interpretations and applications for the

Christian life. And then Apologetics Live, I can't do better than Greg's introduction, but yeah, he had, but yeah,

I love when folks come in to debate me and I don't know, I have a debate that day. So those are the more fun ones.

There is rumor, rumor that a black Hebrew is white is going to come in and debate me.

I've been waiting years for that to actually happen and they always chicken out. Uh -oh.

All right, we might see it very soon. Guys, you can just click below on the link and you'll see everything there.

It'll take you right through to them. Brothers, I'm so happy we got a chance to chat. I'm glad you had a great

Christmas and new year. We're gonna have to do it again soon. Thanks, Greg. Appreciate it. God bless you both. Awesome.

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