I Am Barabbas and So Are You — Shane Idleman

Barabbas, Jesus, and the Setting of Matthew 27

Matthew chapter 27. The title of the message is, I am Barabbas, and so are you. And that's going to make sense once we get to the end of the message, but right now I'm just going to read in Matthew 27.

I can tell you what page it is in my Bible, but that might not help most of you. Matthew chapter 27. Now let's set up the backdrop for a minute. Jesus has been taken. He was in the garden of Gethsemane.

Judas betrayed him with the Judas kiss, the kiss of betrayal. They took Jesus and he asked them, why have you come out to get me like a thief and a robber? I was talking with you daily in your temple and why are you here now trying to capture me?

And they captured him, they took him. Of course, he could have called down 12 legions of angels and wiped them out, but he went according to God's will. So now verse 27, I'm sorry, chapter 27, verse 1, says when morning came, all the chief priests and elders of the people plotted against Jesus to put him to death.

And when they had bound him, they led him away and delivered him to Pontius Pilate, the governor. A little background. If you recall from a few weeks ago, the nation of Israel had been conquered by the Romans.

They were under Roman governance. The Roman officials were actually in charge. And the Jewish leaders could not put anybody to death. That ability of the death penalty was taken away from the nation of Israel.

So they had to seek out a Roman official. And this really caught my eye this week. I shared last night, and a lot of people I think were helped because of it, but it says that Jesus was bound and then led away.

He was bound and led away. And for some reason this week, the thought came to me, it kept reoccurring, that that's exactly what Satan does to us. He will bind you, and then he'll lead you in a direction you don't want to go.

Satan’s Methods: Bondage, Temptation, and Sin

And the definition of bound is a movement, your movement is restricted, and we are led to places we don't want to go. So the first thing Satan wants to do, in case you're wondering, yes, he's after you.

He's after you today, he's after you this week, he's after your family. And he comes in three different ways. The lust of the flesh, the lust of the eye, and the pride of life. So you think you've got your lust mastered and your eye mastered, well here comes the pride of life to take you out.

Those three areas is where he attacks. And the demonic element here we saw in Jesus' time, you realize, right, demons don't die? These demonic influences that were alive then are just as alive now and working in our culture and in our world and in our church.

So what the enemy does, he wants to bind you, and once you're bound, you know exactly what I'm talking about if you've been there, then he leads you in a direction you don't want to go. Why? Because you're bound, you're caught in sin.

And that's the whole point. That's what sin wants to do. And I want to read James, many of you have heard this verse before, but I want to read James 1 .13 and tie it in here. Let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God.

And this is important. Many people get mad at God. They say, God, why are you allowing this? Why don't you take this desire away? Why don't you take this addiction away? Why don't you take this from me?

God, it's your fault. I've heard that before. But James says, let no one say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God, for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he himself tempt anyone. Now there's a big difference between a temptation and a testing.

If we had time, we could uncover that. But just know that God doesn't put that temptation, he doesn't force you to be tempted. But here's what happens. But each one of us is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed.

That's why I often say, I'm not as worried about the devil as I'm worried about the devil within. Because I, you know where he's coming, but this one, this temptation, this desire within is constantly there.

It's constantly pulling us away from God. But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires, and then he's enticed. Then, when that desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin. And sin, when it is fully grown, brings forth death.

So if you're ever wondering, where is this sin going to lead that I'm playing with? It's going to lead to some type of death. Death spiritually, death physically. Death is separation. Separation from God.

And the reason many people feel distant, I can name a dozen people in my family right now who are very distant from God because they have allowed besetting sin to bind them and trap them and lead them away.

You're like, oh goodness, what's the answer? Well, temptation isn't wrong. It's the door. It's whether you walk through that door and you enter into temptation, or you walk through the exit door and you leave.

See, it's a very interesting concept here. Each one is tempted when he was drawn away by his own desires and enticed. So I have a desire and I'm enticed in my mind. Where my mind goes, my feet follow.

So if I say that's a wrong thought, that's a wrong temptation, I'm closing the door on it, and it's not going to lead me astray. I'm walking away from it. Or what does it go on to say? But when that desire has conceived, that means there's birth there.

I'm thinking of it, now I'm going to do it. Now it's conceived. The end result of that is to bring forth death. So that's how the enemy works. He tries to get you bound in something. You can go from pornography to eating too much.

I mean, the list is long and extensive, but he has no new tricks. He will go in an area of weakness that he's already won in an area of your life. The last place you were defeated, he's going to try to go into that area.

And it's not just physical sin. Sometimes it's mental. Have you ever been so angry and envious and jealous that it just eats you up? And your critical spirit, unteachable attitude, it's all consuming.

The enemy loves... That's actually where church division comes from. When a church usually divides, I'm not talking about healthy church division, where the pastor says, I don't really believe this anymore, and I'm just going to give you my opinions, you just run for cover.

But I'm talking about most church divisions that shouldn't happen are because the enemy gets in there and brings a critical spirit, an arrogant spirit, an unteachable spirit, envious, a jealousy, an angry spirit, and we fight and we bicker and we just say, well, then I'm leaving.

And the church is split over this. So he works in that area as well. It's not just physical things that we do in the flesh, but also our mental capacity. So be careful there. Once the enemy binds you, he wants to lead you astray.

Repentance as a Change of Mind and Life

But thank God all you have to say is, this is wrong. Lord, I'm repenting. I'm turning my life back over to you. But repentance isn't just sincerity. Anybody can say what I just said and not repent. Actually it happens quite a bit.

Lord, I can't do this again. You ever say that? I can't do this again. A month goes by. I can't do this again. Lord, help me now. And you're like, it's been a year. What is going on? That repentance...

See, that's just being sincere. Repentance says, this is wrong and I'm turning from it. That's actually the definition of repentance. It's a change of mind that leads to a change of action. So now picking up in verse 3, then Judas, his betrayer, seeing that he had been condemned.

So I guess, apparently Judas didn't think Jesus was going to be condemned. Because once he saw that he was condemned, he was remorseful, and he actually brought back the 30 pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders, saying, I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.

And they said, what is that to us? You see to it. Then they threw down the pieces of silver in the temple and departed and went. And Jesus... I'm sorry. Then Judas threw down the pieces of silver in the temple, departed, and he went out and he hung himself.

And it's interesting because we have this image of Judas. Nobody names their son Judas, I've said before. And this terrible person, which he was, the Bible says it was better for him to never have been born.

But somehow I feel sorry for this guy because he realizes Jesus is condemned. I've betrayed innocent blood. And he's trying to give back the money. People say, well, did he repent? Well, that's up to speculation.

But when the Bible says it's better for him to have never been born, he betrayed Christ, I have a feeling he's not in a good spot. Because he tried to handle this problem also on his own. Like Peter, though, we need to run to God's mercy, not our own solution.

See, that's the difference. Peter denied Christ three times we read about earlier. What did he do? Did he go out and hang himself? No. He said, I denied the Lord. I'm going to repent and become a strong pillar of the church.

I'm going to learn from this and God's going to bless it. Judas, on the other hand, felt sorry, remorseful, and went out and hung himself. And you have to be careful because there is a difference between remorse, worldly sorrow, and genuine repentance.

Sometimes they look the same. How do they look the same? By little water things coming out right here. Oh, goodness gracious. Both have tears. But the remorseful side is sorry I got caught. Sorry my reputation is on the line.

Sorry people are going to think this way about me. And this person is usually remorseful, but they also have a lot of excuses. Well, she made me do it. Or he made me do it. Or mommy keep getting personal.

You know, it's excuses. But, but, but. And they're remorseful, but they're not repentant. Peter showed genuine repentance. And I like what J .I. Packard said about repentance. Repentance is more than just sorrow for the past.

Repentance is a change of mind and a change of heart, a new life of denying self and serving the Savior. That's exactly what repentance is. Now, there's also two kinds of repentance. I might as well touch base on this.

There's repentance where a person, if you do not know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, that God is not Lord of your life, you know about him, but you don't know him, the Bible says you must repent.

You must repent. Basically, you must see sin as God sees sin. You must see your need for a Savior and you repent. You acknowledge that. God, I need you. I'm repenting. I'm changing my heart. I'm changing my mind.

And God, somehow, through the work of the Holy Spirit, the conviction, the drawing, that new birth takes place. But then believers are often in a state of repentance. Lord, I'm sorry for that. That's not right how I treated that person.

I need to repent and refocus my mind, my thoughts towards your will, towards your way. Because a believer can walk in the wrong direction as well. So it takes repentance to turn us back and to be walking the right path.

And you can usually tell if a person is genuinely repentant because the fruit will follow. At some point, there will be fruit. This person will tell you everything you want to hear. Everything you want to hear, this person will tell you.

But then in about three days, you'll get a call from this person's spouse saying, nothing has changed. Nothing has changed. They're back to their old ways. Nothing has changed. They just told you what you wanted to hear.

They were sorry because they got in trouble. You see the difference? Repentance wants to fix what they broke. A repentant person wants to renew what they broke down. A person who truly repents wants to restore that broken relationship to God or others.

So it's a very important piece here that Judas, he was obviously remorseful. He saw that Jesus would be condemned. Maybe he didn't think Jesus would be condemned. Maybe he thought, I'll take 30 pieces of silver.

They'll take Jesus and Jesus will just vanish. But now he understands that that's not happening. You know, I'm reading a book I wanted to share with you. If you have read this before, you might want to read it again.

It's called Finishing Strong by Steve Farrar. It's a men's book about finishing strong. Because most people who start out in ministry don't end in ministry. Most people who start out strong in their faith don't end up strong in their faith.

Why? Because it's a yearly battle. And finishing strong is very important. So I just want to encourage you in that area as well, too. Finishing strong is one of the greatest gifts you can give to your family.

Look at Judas versus Peter. Look at how they're looked at now, Judas versus what Peter did. So finish strong. The enemy's going to come. He's going to try to knock you off track. Yes, it's very important to finish or to start well.

Please start well. But the whole point is to finish strong. I think it's like one out of ten pastors who get involved in ministry in their 20s do not end up in the ministry in their 60s when they retire.

The Potter’s Field and the Danger of Justifying Sin

Only one out of ten does. Nine of them fall by the wayside. That book explains why. It's also a great resource for men. Verse six, but the chief priest took the silver pieces and said, it's not lawful to put them into the treasury because they are the price of blood.

And they consulted together and bought with them the potter's field to bury strangers in. Therefore, that field has been called the field of blood to this day. Then was fulfilled what was spoken by Jeremiah, the prophet saying, and they took 30 pieces of silver, the value of him who was priced, whom they of the children of Israel priced and gave them for the potter's field as the Lord directed me.

And I thought it was interesting. Just a side note, it's not a real relevant thing, but it wasn't, the Bible says, spoken by the prophet Jeremiah was actually spoken by Zechariah, the prophet, if you look at that.

But why did the Bible mention Jeremiah? Well that could take a little while to unpack. But there's some people that feel that the Bible, the scribes would often go after, they would mention the major prophet.

Or they'd say the prophet Isaiah, meaning all of the prophets. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel were the four major prophets. Or if you look at the Greek prefix for the word Zechariah, I believe it's Z-O-E, Jeremiah is I-O-U.

So there might be in the transcribing a little variance there where the scribe didn't translate it correctly. But in your Bible, this passage is actually not Jeremiah, it's from Zechariah, the potter's field.

So if you want more information on that, let me know, we can email that to you, we've got videos on that and different things. But what I wanted to really point out from this is, it's not lawful, they said, to put the money back into the treasury, it's the price of blood.

So it was okay to take it out of the treasury to pay Judas to betray Jesus, but we can't put it back into the treasury. Isn't that weird? I don't know, maybe it's just me, but they can use it to betray Jesus, but they can't put it back in.

Here's one of the reasons why, justifying sin is a very slippery slope, be careful. Do you know what a slippery slope is? Sometime go outside on your back, if you have a sloping backyard, and put down a trash bag and put water on it, and try to stand on that slippery slope.

That's what happens when we try to justify sin, and we all have done it in the past, and we should repent if we continue to do that, but justifying sin is a slippery slope. They pick and they choose what they wanted to believe, they pick and they choose what they thought was right, and we do that.

We justify, and here's how that usually starts, yeah, but. Yeah, but, I know what the Bible says, but, and I know I need to work on that but, or I know I've got this but, but yeah, I do that, but this, and we justify this, but we won't justify that.

And some of the people who are the hardest, hardest on judging people are often compromising in other areas. They'll tell their tax accountant, yeah, I had 55 ,000 miles of write-offs, really, how about 5 ,000?

Or they'll, you know, they'll kind of justify all this stuff but they'll be the hardest in this other area. And a lot of times you find where it comes out later where somebody's caught in sexual sin and you go, oh my goodness, how did that happen?

These were the most, you know, godly people I knew. Well, were they? Or were they most judgmental and harsh and just, oh, the Word of God and the Word of God, but they're justifying, but over here, they're not keeping this area in check.

So one thing I glean from this is don't justify sin. Don't justify wrong behavior. Take it before God and let God change that and work that in you. So here's today's self-examination. Paul asked the Galatian church, you ran well.

You ran well, church in Galatia. Who hindered you from obeying the truth? This persuasion does not come from him who calls you. A little leaven leavens the whole lump. So Paul was saying, what happened, church?

You were running so well but you allowed a little sin to come in and that little, please understand that sin does not stay static. It does not just stay still. It either grows in your life and in my life or it withers and dies and it all depends on whether you're feeding or starving it.

And that's a big lie we think, well, I can just hold this. I mean, I hear people say, well, Shane, it's my one little vice, you know, one little vice. I've heard Christian couples try to excuse pornography in their marriage, husband and wife.

And it's like, hello? Boy, I didn't get too many amens in there. I hope this doesn't happen here. My goodness. But we try to hide certain sins and it grows and it grows. And I like what David Wilkerson wrote.

He's asking what in your life, and this is a good look at your life. I looked at mine yesterday. What in your life, is there anything in your life that's keeping you from going on in the full blessing of Christ?

You were doing so well at one time, especially as we get older. I'm talking now even to the 40 and up crowd or 50 and up crowd. You were doing so well at what time? What happened? What hindered you? What has stopped you?

You were on fire for God. You were witnessing. You were reading your Bible. Something is stopping that. Something is in there and it's infiltrating your life. You were doing so well. I know you to be a praying people, laboring, but something is wrong.

I don't see you growing anymore. Instead, you've gone back to rely on your flesh. I don't sense the sweet aroma of Christ you once had. Something is hindering you. What could have persuaded you to settle in this condition?

And he continues, whatever it is, I tell you, it's not of God. I know so many Christians today who once were mightily used of God. These people were devoted. They were praying. They were believing saints.

But then something happened to them that somehow caused them to be hindered from experiencing the fullness of the blessing of Christ. Often that hindering leaven was a single besetting sin. To all such people, Paul says, what happened?

What's hindering the flow of Christ in your life? What leaven has crept in? A little leaven leavens a whole lump. And sometimes we can excuse things by saying, well, I'm not caught in all those bad things, Shane.

But we have a very critical heart and a heart that should be loving and teachable and broken and filled with joy has now hardened and there's a hardness about us. There's not a love for Christ. There's not a love for others.

We need to see that. We need to see, Lord, I've become hard. I've become cold. I've become calloused. I don't like what's happening in my life and I don't like other believers. But Paul's asking, where did that go?

Where did that go? That's not Christ. So something has crept in. You have to be careful because the enemy, I don't know about you, maybe it's just me, but he loves to just plant all this dissension in my mind, all this complaining and bickering and anger.

It's like, where is this coming from? And in this situation, a critical spirit and being angry and upset and God says, no, break. Break before me. Put yourself before me. Because a critical attitude, a prideful, arrogant attitude is just as dangerous as the man or the woman who looks at something they shouldn't on the internet.

It's just as dangerous. Actually rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft. And if we know our heart's not right before God, if we've grown cold and callous, we need to repent this morning. Because that's a deadly sin.

Well, Shane, how do I know? Well, how many times have I said this? Ask your spouse. Ask others. I mean, as Christians, we should be the most loving, forgiving, understanding, gracious people on the planet.

But why is it often the opposite? We walk around angry and critical and judgmental. It reminds me like of a contractor going through his home that he built, spec home, before he sells it. And he's picking apart everything.

You see that stucco up there? You see that paint job right there? You see the lighting fixture? You see the concrete work? You see the foundation? You see the sink? Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And that's how we come into church sometimes.

Critical and judgmental when we should be joy-filled. And as I'm preaching to you, I can be sitting right there. Because that happens to me just as easy as it happens to you. Why? Because those thoughts come in, right?

There's that person again. They don't like me. Oh, no. Oh, no. Here we go. We start getting these... I mean, this morning, I mean, not this morning, I think it was the other morning, God just really rocked my world when you look at what's going on in the news.

You look at Afghanistan or Pakistan or Iraq or Iran. You look at the conditions people are living in. And I can go to my wall and punch in a number that keeps my house at 80 degrees. I can go put a little, turn a little knob in my garage, it'll heat my water.

I've got some cushion underneath my carpet. Look at this church we're sitting in. Look at, and if we just, if you stop and you think how blessed you are, how blessed we are. Why are we not more joyful and happy?

God, thank you. Thank you for everything you've done. Instead of complaining and bickering, that's the heart of Christ is that we come together. Why is unity so important? Because that's what keeps the church together.

See, if I can get 10 or 12 or 15 of us to pray together, that's unity. One puts 1 ,000 to flight, but two, 10 ,000 to flight. There's strength when we come together and we're not concerned about all these little things, but we're concerned for the cause of Christ.

I just look, even if you don't live in a big home, look at your house. I've got a timer that turns water on. To water the green grass, you realize, right, that that's not, 99 of the world does not have sprinklers and grass to go play on.

Do you realize that? There's not a lawnmower guy that comes over and mows the lawn. There's not, two cars? I mean, we just, we're so blessed, and here's the problem. The more blessed you get, the more prideful you can get.

The more arrogant you can get, you think it's my right. It's my right, I'm American. Haven't you read the Constitution? Well, I've read this. This precedes the Constitution. Does it not? As patriotic as I am, I love our country.

That's why that is on that side and the cross of Christ is on that side. Anybody who knows their flag knows the flag should be on the right side, but we say that Christ takes preeminence over the flag and we acknowledge that God is higher than patriotism.

I love our country, I love our soldiers. I love everything about America. I love that God has blessed us, but our blessing has become our curse when we think it's our right. Do you know the Bible talks about suffering for Christ?

It does? Yeah. It talks about being suffering for God and putting down our rights, and that's what happens. We can become so prideful and so arrogant that God can't work and God can't move. And people ask me weekly almost that, Shane, why aren't we seeing God move in America?

Why aren't we seeing the churches broken before him? Why are we, we're so in a hurry. We're not, worship nights, prayer nights, they're like, they're old news. And I don't have an answer other than hearts have grown hard.

Pilate, Jesus, and the Meaning of Meekness

Because when a heart is soft and God is working in a heart, you can't keep that person away from God. Verse 11, now Jesus stood before the governor and the governor asked him, saying, are you the king of the Jews?

Jesus said to him, it is as you say. And while he was being accused by the chief priests and elders, he answered, nothing. Then Pilate said to him, do you not hear how many things they testify against you?

But he answered him, not one word. So the governor marveled greatly. Now you have to understand this setting. This is amazing. Pontius Pilate is the person who can execute the person or let them go. So anybody in front of this executioner is going to be pleading their case like there's no tomorrow.

They're lying, they're this, please, I've got family, I've got friends. So he's never had anybody stand before him silent. Don't you want to answer anything they say against you? No, because I was born to die.

And later we'll read that Pontius Pilate says, answer me because I can take your life or I can set you free. And Jesus says, you would have no power over me at all unless it was given to you from my father above.

So you better just stop this impression of Jesus as this weak, passive carpenter. No man in this room could stand before their executioner and say that. Because we all know what we'd be doing, right? We'd be on our knees crying.

Let me go, I have kids, I have a family. No, it's not true, they're being mean to me. Please, please, Pontius Pilate. And Jesus just stands there beaten. So Pontius Pilate is marveling. I've never even seen this before.

Why, because you have total meekness in Christ. Do you know what the difference between meekness and weakness is? This is important because all of us in here need meekness. Meekness is not being a doormat.

Meekness is strength under control. It's like a little 12-year-old picking on Mike Tyson. Right, remember that guy? He's not gonna win. But using that strength under control. Or you've got, I've used the example before, you've got a big Dodge Hemi motor.

Look at you guys, 560 horsepower. It's strength under control. It's under your control, it's not just running crazy. That's what meekness is. Jesus could have wiped out that entire army. He could have evaporated Pontius Pilate, right, dust.

Barabbas or Jesus: Choosing Darkness or Salvation

He could have said, let's start over. And bye-bye humanity. So that's meekness. That's having the strength but holding that strength in. Verse 15, now at the feast, the governor was accustomed to releasing to the multitude one prisoner whom they wished.

And at that time, they had a notorious prisoner called Barabbas. Therefore, when they had gathered together, Pilate said to them, who do you want me to release to you, Barabbas or Jesus who is called the Christ?

For he knew that they had handed him over because of envy. The religious leaders handed Jesus over because of envy. Do you know what envy is? It's terrible, it's deadly. Run for cover and repent. If there's some of that growing in your heart because it doesn't just stay a little nice little baby.

It grows and has fangs and teeth. The green envy, right, it's just terrible because it's just wanting what somebody else has. They lost all their followers to Jesus. This man spoke like no other man. He taught like no other man.

They said, who is this doing all these miracles? They were losing some of the religious leaders from Nicodemus to Joseph of Arimathea. All these people were going after Jesus and they were envious. Same thing happens today.

The devil will use envy every chance he gets. Every chance he gets. So be careful there as well. For he knew they handed him over because of envy while he was sitting on the judgment seat. So here you have Pilate sitting on the judgment seat.

Jesus is not answering him anything. So he's sitting there going, what is wrong with this guy? Now to top it off, his wife comes running to him and says this, do not have anything to do with this just man for I had suffered many things today in a dream because of him.

And for the wife to go during this mock trial and stop what's happening or go and call for Pontius Pilate and tell him this is unheard of. He's probably facing now this major decision of he's a just man, they handed him over for envy and now my wife is telling me she had a dream not to hurt this just man.

So that's an incredible setting. It's very difficult to make a right decision. And just for a minute, I wanna talk about this area of dreams. Let's just say dreams, be careful. Because I've seen people have dreams and get weird.

Okay, so be careful. However, I'm not one of those people who say, nope, nope, God will never use a dream. Because I can take you to Genesis where God led Abraham. I can take you to Moses. I can take you to David.

And then when we get in the New Testament, how about Joseph being warned in a dream to take Jesus away? How about the wise men being warned not to go back to Herod? How about Peter having a dream about what is unclean and clean?

So there's some scriptural evidence there for people having dreams. Now, this would take a whole sermon to unpack, but let me say this, just be very careful. The dream would never be, in my opinion, something that you would just act upon on its own, much like a word of wisdom or somebody gives you some advice like, hey, I really feel God's leading this.

It always confirms scripture. So if I have a dream of myself preaching in Illinois, I'm not going to move to Illinois, right? Also, what you look for is a continual pattern, like, oh gosh, Daniel, when he was, or Joseph also.

See, there's lots of dreams in the Bible. You think of, they call for Daniel, they call for Joseph because the pharaoh and that other king were having dreams. They've had it twice in different. So you look for consistency.

Sometimes, man, if I'm having the same dream, and a lot of times I've noticed God will use it for warning. He'll warn or he'll confirm certain things. Interesting thing, my wife will remember, I have it actually in my journal.

This is probably 2001. Don't worry, I'm not getting into weird land here. But I kept having these dreams where, I don't know why, but I still picture, I know when I see that building, I thought I saw the building, I'm not sure if it is yet.

Time will tell. But I would walk out the right side and this curtain, I'd move this curtain, there'd be just a sea of people. And I'm going to speak to these people. And you have to remember, this is 2001 or so.

I'm never, I'm not a public speaker back then. I'm like, what is that all about? That is just weird. I'd wake up, and a couple days later, and the same kind of, you know, it happened. So I'm reading, at this time now, Billy Graham's biography.

It's a big, thick book. And I get to the point, the part in there where it talks about Billy Graham would have dreams, and he would see these areas or these groups of people that he would actually speak to and hasn't spoke to them yet.

So I just confirmed it, because I'm praying this time, Lord, do you want me to go into health and fitness? Do you want me to do this? So I use it, that was a great confirmation for me to be, oh, okay, God's calling me to speak to people.

It was a very, it confirms so much, and it just puts so many things to rest, especially when I read it in his book. Does that make sense? Those kind of things, like, oh, that's a confirmation of what's going on.

Or, you know, if you have this dream of, I mean, there's tons if you read about in the mission field. I've got books, if you're interested, where people have dreams about not going to a certain village, and it'd be reoccurring, and they just, I can't do that.

And God would warn them, and something would happen. So he can use and work in dreams, but just be careful. Because on, here's another illustration of going back, or different sides. But on this side, you have this group that doesn't believe in dreams at all.

I mean, just what I just mentioned, be like, no, no, no, I don't think so. Like, does it happen today? The gifts of the Spirit don't happen today. None of that stuff happens today. All we have is the word of God.

We worship the Father, the Son, and the Word of God. We might mention the Holy Spirit now and then. But so there's dreams, visions, all that stuff is gone. Then you have this other side, they live for their dreams and visions.