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Deuteronomy chapter 18 is actually a pretty powerful passage that we use often

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This is a text Deuteronomy actually the word Deutero and Namas means

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Second law. So this is the second giving of the law. It's like the reiteration of the law of God So Moses wrote the first how many books of the

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Bible? First five books of the Bible we call the Pentateuch and Deuteronomy is the second giving of the law the reiteration of the law of God and it's powerful many like snapshots of important Parts of the law of God to protect

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God's people to bless God's people and in this particular passage We use it often in what context go ahead and tell me what context we actually refer to Deuteronomy 18 often

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Say it say it louder so You sit you said it false prophets

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Deuteronomy 18 20 to 22 as a passage probably use a lot next week When we engage with our

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Mormon friends and neighbors family outside the temple, we always try to show them that God is supreme and above all gods

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Because he does things that no other religion man -made religion

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Prophets teacher Could do God actually tells you the future before it happens and he gets it right every single time

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I've often said that if you want to destroy this revelation you want to destroy this text then you have to go at it in a way that actually is pretty powerful and It is in this way

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God says that he will tell you the future before it happens and he will get it right every single time if somebody Prophesized in her name of the

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Lord and the thing doesn't follow or come to pass That is the word which the Lord has not spoken. The Prophet has spoken it presumptuously

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You shall not be afraid of him Deuteronomy 18 20 to 22. What's that mean? This book is filled with prophecy

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God telling you the future before it happens and God says the way You know a true prophet from a false one is someone speaking from him.

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That's from his mouth Because he's the sovereign they will always tell you the future and get it right if they fail

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God says false prophet you get No failure. If you're from God, you will know the future because God is the one who holds it

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So we refer to Deuteronomy 18 many many times in evangelism with the cults But there's actually a powerful portion of Deuteronomy 18

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We often see but we don't often dig into and say do I understand the implications is this for today in other words?

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Watch we know the application of the one thing Prophecy false prophets and we take that and we say okay that Today looks like this

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Joseph Smith false prophet Charles Taze Russell False prophet Mary Baker Edie false prophet judge

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Rutherford false prophet David Koresh false prophets Harold camping

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False prophets, you know what I'm talking about that wasn't actually too far behind us, right? So we know how to take the one and apply it to today.

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But do we know? How to apply this here's the text Deuteronomy 18 verse 9 here now the reading of God's holy and inspired word

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God says when you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you you shall not learn to follow the listen abominable

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Practices of those nations there shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering anyone who practices

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Divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead for whoever does these things is toy va an abomination to the

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Lord and because of these Abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you you should be blameless before the

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Lord You're a God for these nations, which you are about to dispossess Listen to fortune -tellers and to do diviners

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But as for you the Lord your God has not allowed you to do this thus far as the reading of God's Word Let's pray together father.

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I want to pray that you'd bless today God We come before you as your people

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Lord people who are being sanctified by you Who have been bought with a price who have been taken out of darkness into light?

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God would come before you as your people Lord we acknowledge as People who are under construction

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Who are not yet there who are redeemed and justified at peace with you

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God, but not done Still being changed still being shaped still having our minds fixed our hearts molded recognize

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God that all of us are Being worked on by you. I pray

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God that this would be a time today where we can see and understand Or we'd be able to be used by you in a world

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That actually embraces many of these things And I pray God for humility in our hearts and minds that you'd bless me as I speak today

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Lord I seek as a pastor to be faithful to you and to love your people

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Father, I know that I have to answer to you one day for how I've shepherded each and every one of the people that you've given me and I pray

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God you help me by your spirit to be faithful to that call today in Jesus name. Amen Go ahead and be seated.

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So this particular passage, by the way this message today, it's gonna be interesting. I just want to say

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It'll be interesting because we actually have a lot of videos to play So we're gonna play playing some clips this would be not like a normal message at Apology at Church is going to be a lot of Information is punching as quick as I possibly can and I want to say this that we are available pastor

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Luke and I To talk to you to answer any questions on this particular topic

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I want to tell you one of the reasons we're doing this. I told you first was because of an intimate reason in terms of Apology of Church and our members

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And the other one was because we're planning a church in an area that dabbles in the occult So important those are the things that set this message off.

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But in particular on that first point as You look at this text in Deuteronomy and you ask yourself the question

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How do we apply this to today does it actually apply to us as the people of God today is

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Toeva Still relevant by the way That is a word abomination in this text and it's a word that is not tossed about in scripture very often

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Let me just emphasize that you you hear that word abomination as a Christian you say well, that's familiar

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I've seen that in the Bible But I want to suggest to you that that word Toeva that word abomination is not really kicked about in this book a

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Lot. I mean it written reality. There's a there's a handful of times that God uses the word

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Toeva or Abomination in the Word of God. It's not everywhere. It's not a word.

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That's commonplace God isn't just kicking this word about all the time naming everything an abomination

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There are actually a limited number of things that God says is an abomination, but does this apply today are some of these things

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Relevant to our experience as Christians today is Abomination still relevant today is what

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God says here That detestable nature of these things.

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Is it something that we need to be aware of as Christians today? Are these things practiced today now in terms of that first point as to why we're doing this message today and not back in the kingdom -of -god series

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You recognize some of these don't you do some of you guys recognize? I mean automatically, right? I can

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I tell you a funny story before we start so I'm in Ireland I don't know if I share this you guys in church, but I'm in Ireland and there's a bit of a cultural barrier, right?

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So some things like they just don't get from us and some things that we don't get from them so I was giving like an illustration about sanctification from Colossians 3 and Paul says essentially if you've been raised up with Christ and you're seated with him in the heavenly places

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He says therefore put to death. What is earthly within you as we talk about sanctification you're raised up with Jesus united with him

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And he says now mortify Kill put to death these things he starts naming a few things one of one of which is sexual immorality

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He calls it idolatry. So I'm trying to give an illustration to these Irish Teenagers and I'm talking about if you're being attacked by an enemy

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He's coming in to destroy you at 2 o 'clock in the morning What would you do the enemy now immediately their faces start to scrunch up?

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Because they're Irish like the part of the UK and British laws about Self -defense and guns and it just starts to get automatically weird.

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You can start to cut the atmosphere, right? So cultural difference I'm starting to sense right away. And so I was like, oh like it happened to me a couple of weeks ago

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I said great example candy and I are asleep in bed It's like 2 in the morning and all of a sudden someone comes to my door that's connecting my room to the outside the backyard and they're literally throwing their body against my door and Jiggling the handle so much so that it actually knocks some boxes down that were in front of my door and I said guys

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I jumped out of bed and I went and grabbed my gun and immediately all of these Irish people went oh

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And I'm like, okay, that's just a cultural weird thing like, you know, it's not gonna go all the way I'm not gonna feel totally weird

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So I go I grabbed my gun and I'm seeing their faces and I'm watching him start to cover their faces like that's a gun Like you could just see their faces and Raquel a one of the people that brought us there

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John and Raquel took took us into their home for that time where they're teaching Her she is in the back because she has a back problem laying down and when

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I said I grabbed my gun her she went Like this so so I said and I grabbed my gun and I and I chambered around I chambered around and just you see him just Shaken and I said and what was

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I going to do? Now I say that in this room and every one of you is like Kill him, right?

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It's good to be an American at this point Right because the law of God says thief breaks in in the night you kill him

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That's a justified killing of somebody who's coming to hurt you law of God says I got the law of God on my side

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So how about them apples Irish people? And so anyway, I said, what was I gonna do?

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I said I was gonna kill him And so you should it's just the room just oh He's a murderer.

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They were just immediate like I don't want to listen anything else you have to say I was like, oh, there's a little bit of a cultural problem here and I explained the law of God It settled him down a bit.

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So that was one cultural thing. So then I Was talking about false prophecy and I was talking about charlatans and false prophets who try to foretell the future and they don't get it

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Right and God does it and gets it right every single time. And so I said, what's a good illustration? I said like for me and this was true.

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I just did it that day I I do I watch Psychics and mediums on YouTube and I look for videos where they get exposed as charlatans like on the

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Internet I watch videos of like, you know The Long Island a medium getting exposed and you know just you can just watch it's hours of delight and fun watching these people just get exposed as frauds and I and Sage and I Were just watching it that morning while we're getting ready a stream of videos of psychics.

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And so I said this I Said I Have to confess something to you guys

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I have call it a perverse fetish of watching videos online of psychics getting spanked.

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I Look over at sage who's doing the cameras he's going He's like no

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And everybody in Ireland's like, ah Like, you know immediately this eruption. I was like wait, wait, wait, let me rephrase that I like to watch videos on YouTube of psychics getting exposed and there's just this big riot and all these different things and but That was my experience in Ireland of the cultural barrier.

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And so but there's a good thing in there Is that everybody knew what I was talking about in terms of a medium or a psychic that is actually part of our experience

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It's on YouTube. There's television shows actually Reality TV show the

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Long Island medium. You ever seen it's a Long Island medium this is actually part of our experience if you drive in some places downtown you can see the palm readers the psychic readers the tarot

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Readers the see these places and haven't you ever wondered like how come when you have like these psychics on the side of the road

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How come they Nate they list their hours? That they're open Do you ever notice that like shouldn't they already know when you're arriving?

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Right. Why do they post their business hours? Like shouldn't they just know when they're supposed to come in like they knew you were coming

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So anyway, those those things are around we reckon Recognize those things in our experience and oftentimes when you think about people communicating with the dead

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As a Christian you think of what what's a what's a common tool that you can find almost anywhere in town?

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That's used to communicate with the dead You know right away right a Ouija board. That's the thing that's sold by what is it

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Hasbro? Hasbro you get battleship and Ouija board so sink the battleship or sink your soul pick a right pick one

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I can we all recognize like these tools are still around. So here's what would be here's what you don't want

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I recognize this what you don't want as a Christian is to be the kind of person who is not

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Thinking who is not rational who is so hyper sensitive towards these kinds of things that you start to just kick about the

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Abomination and detestable practice for any and everything. You have people who will say look at the

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Lord of Rings and They'll say well, there's witches and wizards and those sorts of things and they'll say that is clearly of the devil

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And you shouldn't do it don't participate And so you start having people to go to extremes where even if you have a story that's written by somebody that actually has biblical

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Themes, but it has say a wizard in it in the story They'll say you can't read that because you're opening pathways to Satan and we all recognize wait

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I don't want to be that kind of person who doesn't recognize story who doesn't understand the difference between a fictional story and reality and a real pathway into Another realm and so we see this sort of a thing and I have to confess in my own experience

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Maybe glossing over it not wanting to be a person who becomes obsessed with seeing the devil behind every rock the kind of person that's a conspiracy theorist that always has some sort of an assumption of nefarious dealings and every possible thing in Attributing sort of demonic powers and the devil to all these different areas that in reality

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Has nothing to do with them but in the text itself God says that these practices are abominable

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He doesn't use that word for everything. He actually says in the text itself.

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He says detestable He says that God is actually

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Driving out the people of the land and Dispossessing them and giving the land to his people because they engage in these abominable practices what practices well

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Burning his son or his daughter as an offering People say well, no one's doing that today.

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No one's taking their children and throwing them into Moloch's hands No one's building these altars and these fires to walk up and throw their children in with a priest who's standing there watching your

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Expression to see if you're emotional about it because then they'll say well the gods didn't accept it You have to toss your child in as a sacrifice to appease the gods.

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No one's throwing their children to the fire, but Are we? Destroying our children and giving them up as an offering for comfort for peace.

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Does that take place today? I believe it does Anyone who practices divination you say well, what's divination divination is a word used to describe uncovering hidden information through supernatural means

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So divination is the practice of trying to gain unknown information through Supernatural means now don't think supernatural in terms of the baggage attached to that like supernatural hero in some sense supernatural other than natural means other than natural

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Something that goes beyond the natural something that goes to a different dimension something that is not material but is rather immaterial so divination actually describes that practice of uncovering hidden information through Supernatural means and there's a number of occultic tools used to get at it

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So what is one form of divination? You've already named it. What was it? The Ouija board

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Ouija board is a game Sold in stores never really began as a game

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The Ouija board is essentially a form of dowsing Dowsing is a tool of the occult

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Dowsing can be used with sticks people would use sticks and they put them on to water and with leaves and they would watch the direction of the stick to give

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Them a binary answer of yes or no or they would use it directionally.

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It was a form of divination people use The Ouija board in much the same way the

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Ouija board is essentially a tool of divination and dowsing Where you can have the yes or no answers you put your hands on the instrument it's essentially an arrow a pointing tool that can move to the yes or to the no and the source of the power behind the

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Ouija board is an enslaving power the source of the power behind the Ouija board is

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Spiritual it is not natural. It is not energy the source of power behind the

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Ouija board is spiritual It is in fact Contact with from their perspective people who actually use the

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Ouija board seriously with the dead With the demonic with the spiritual and so the

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Ouija board is a tool of dowsing Yes, or no binary answer or it's pointing at letters spelling out words

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So the Ouija board is a common tool of divination and the text goes on Anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes who would that be?

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What are some examples today that you'd be on the lookout for people who tell fortunes? What do you think? You got to speak up real loud so I can hear you

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What's a horoscopes? What else tarot cards? What's that?

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media Hahaha See how sometimes What's that tea leaves?

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Very good. Okay, people will look at palm readers as fortune tellers psychics those sorts of things that would be a common form of fortune -telling somebody who interprets omens somebody who's reading into Experiences or using some channel to interpret an omen or a sorcerer.

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What is sorcery? It's used actually a number of times in the Bible sorcery is a word used to describe practices that utilize divination or attempt to receive information or communication from a

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Supernatural realm a spiritual realm an example of sorcery would be a seance crystal ball gazing really any use of divination

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People use oftentimes sorcery today and they will actually engage in taking drugs

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To get into an altered state of consciousness to engage with the other dimension, so a great example of this in my own experience is

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I worked at Calvary for many many years well four years and Four years full -time. I got to be in front of a lot of people.

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I saw some genuine examples of Demonic possession and I saw others that were not truly demonic in nature

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But one example is a young man, maybe 19 years old. He was only at Calvary for I think two days

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Well, I met with him when he first got in there and as we sat down I saw that something was off with this young man

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You could tell just in his the way that he carried himself how he looked it was he was wearing it on his face and so as we started to talk

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I recognized immediately this man was obsessed with the dark and Darkness and evil and so I started giving more probing questions and I found out that this man actually communicated with demons

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He knew their names. He actually named some of them and I asked him how he actually got involved in this kind of practice

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How did he break that bridge that gulf between the natural and the supernatural?

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How did he start having communication with demons and what he said was when he was around 14 or 15 years old

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He had a friend who used to take drugs To get into an alter state of consciousness and to do seances to try to communicate with the dead in the other side

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He said so he started engaging in he started taking drugs to get into that alter state of consciousness to have

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Communication and he said it wasn't long after he started that he actually started getting communication

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He said that he actually started getting information From the other side they would give him secret knowledge

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They would tell him things about other people that only that person could possibly know he would get that information

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They would they would help him. They would give him what he thought was a form of power because he had information that nobody else could possibly have and So he got involved in demonic possession and I gave him the gospel.

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He ended up leaving the next day He said that he was too lost He said there was no hope for him.

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I told him he was wrong. I prayed with him I preached the gospel to him and he ended up leaving but that's how he got involved in communication with the dead a charmer or a medium or necromancer or one who inquires of the dead different forms of essentially the same thing a medium like for example

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If you look at someone like the Long Island medium She will get before an audience and I have to say this first and foremost, please understand this

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I believe that much of what takes place today with mediums and those who communicate with the dead is just pure Snake oil salesmen, they're charlatans.

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They're con artists. And that's why I like to get him. That's why I like to see him spanked refuted

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Because they're just engaging in trickery All they're doing is using tools looking in a room like this and they're saying things like this

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Alright anybody in here in this room today anybody in here Have a relative with the name with the letter

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M or P or S in their name anybody I'm feeling and then they go great

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Where did anybody in here ever experience the death of it? Someone in here has experienced the death of a loved one

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Somebody recently experienced the death of a loved one and they sort of play off of these cold readings where they find people they use vague

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Generalities, I believe that much of it is false Just snake oil salesmen kind of stuff however, there are people who genuinely communicate with the dead who have real relationships with personalities not from this dimension people that are engaging in the supernatural people who are engaging in the paranormal and of Great concern for our own church and for me as a pastor is that many of these?

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Practices Have found their way into modern culture as acceptable practices

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We even find believers who oftentimes find themselves duped Engaging in practices that have their roots and foundation in Eastern mysticism

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Engaging in practices that actually have their roots in what God calls an abomination

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Engaging in practices that God says are detestable Oftentimes as Christians, we don't understand the details of a particular thing.

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We're engaging in we don't know its history And so we find ourselves actually engaging in it and it's a great concern for us as a church

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Because I want to say to you when God calls something an abomination You Don't play with it when

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God calls something detestable You don't engage in it when God says these practices are an abomination and I will judge the nations that engage in them and I will

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Dispossess them and God demonstrates in his word that he actually judges his own

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People for engaging in these practices a great example is second Kings 21 verse 6

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Manasseh if God will judge his own King for engaging in divination and these practices

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We need to be alert as followers of Jesus Christ and not engage in those practices either

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Why are we concerned? Well One of the reasons for this message today is my deep love and concern for you as a church.

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I Like this today is a risk for a pastor I Just want to I want you pleased to hear that when you do a message

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Like today, it's a risk you risk clearing out your church

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When you decide to stand on the truth as a pastor and address an issue head -on

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That's affecting your church You take risks as a pastor and I want to confess to you that I have had my moments over the last couple of weeks months

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Where I've had to deal with my own heart as a pastor Are you willing to tell the truth no matter the consequences?

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Are you willing to stand on the Word of God? No matter the outcome and I have to confess to you

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That before God I have my answer my answer is yes My love for God and for his truth and his people surpasses my love for comfort

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Surpasses my love for unity at the expense of truth and what

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I discovered over the course of the last couple of months is that a few members of our church ultimately have

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Found themselves involved in a practice that actually has its origins in the world of the occult in tools of the occult and oftentimes, we're not aware so it's not a question of I Engaged in something and it had its roots in something.

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That's not ultimately biblical or occult ik That can happen to any one of us It's a question of how do we respond once we actually learn the truth about these practices?

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And so I'll let you hang on to that for a moment so that you understand the meaning behind the message today so a medium last point here a medium attempts to create connection between the physical realm and the spiritual by means of communication verbal or mental verbal or mental

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Now I just want to say quickly my own journey into understanding some of these things in the New Age and the occult

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It's not something you just dive into and just start studying and I want to warn you with all of my heart with all the

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Love I have within me for you with humility I'm going to warn you when you begin to study the world of the occult be very careful

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There's an old saying that says whoever desires to sup with Satan better bring a long spoon

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You have to be very very cautious My own journey into this started actually in Washington DC many many years ago when

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I was studying Joseph Smith The founder and prophet in Mormonism, I discovered that Joseph Smith engaged in a lot of occultic practices

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He was actually arrested in 1826 in Bainbridge, New York for crystal ball gazing

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Joseph Smith was known in his area for being a con artist a matter of fact many of his neighbors signed a

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Statement together all of his neighbors gathering together to sign a statement to say that this man is of questionable character

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They knew that he was the kind of person that would come and try to sell his services He would look on people's property for treasures.

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He was somebody that was seeking treasure. He would come to you He'd knock on your door and he'd say

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I can I have special powers and abilities and I can find treasures or water on your

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Property he essentially used tools of divination, you know about the peep stones in the

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Book of Mormon, correct? Do you know about the dowsing rods looking for water on property? Joseph Smith was in got involved in the world of the occult and with tools of the occult so my initial entry into this study of the tools of the occult came by way of Mormonism studying

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Mormonism now before that I will say this I Wasn't a Christian and I did actually engage with the

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Ouija board in The middle of my teens and I will tell you that before I was a

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Christian I had some very very strange experiences with the Ouija board and I will say this and I telling you the truth before God that this was shortly before I actually heard the gospel for the first time my friends and I began engaging with the

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Ouija board and engaging in some other practices and After I heard the gospel there was a period of about six months to a year where there was this oppressive

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Presence in my home there was Actually so many spiritual attacks and crazy thoughts going through my mind

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That I had to ask for the help of my pastor because I couldn't understand why there was this strange

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Fear and this presence within my house I couldn't understand why these thoughts are going through my head that didn't seem like my own

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There was really strange occurrences happening in my own life because I dabbled myself Indulging and divination the world of the occult

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I saw experiences of people like a young girl who was raised in a Christian home in Calvary she came and saw me and she was oppressed and possessed by demons and her way into that realm

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Was her father was a professing believer her whole life raised in a Christian home when she turned 18 years old is her father left

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Her mother went to be with another woman and so for this girl to get back at her dad out of anger

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She began to do all the things that he told her to stay away from growing up He told her to stay away from psychics and mediums and seances and the

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Ouija board and what did she do out of spite? She engaged in that realm and she ended up years later gaining things in that experience that she never thought she would gain

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She had experiences with the other side that will raise the hairs on your neck and so my own experience

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I Lived when I first moved to Arizona next to some witches. I didn't discover that till later.

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I Was waking up actually In the middle of nights more between like 1 and 3 a .m

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The witching hour for a long period of time I was waking up and I was waking up to the sense of a very very

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Dark presence in my life my room. I was waking up in fear.

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I was waking up terrified I was waking up with this sense that something was there and I couldn't put my finger on it

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And after a period of time this kept happening I actually talked to some other believers and we did some looking around and some investigating and some door -knocking what we discovered is that my neighbors were actually involved in witchcraft and that was the witching hour and All this really strange dark spiritual activity was taking place during that time

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God released us from all of that and God brought a lot of peace out of the whole situation But in actually coming into close contact with some of the demonic

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That has actually happened in my own life And many of these things open up in your life because of an unhealthy interest in these things

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They open up in your life because you engage in these tools these abominations these things that are detestable

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Before God you open up yourself to the other side Why does

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God tell us not to consult mediums to engage in divination? Is it because he wants to rob us of joy?

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Because he wants to hold something back from us that would bring us fulfillment in health and joy.

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No God commands us not to engage in these things because the answer you get is not the answer from God and The actual presence you connect to is not the presence of God When you engage in these practices you end up communicating with things that are not from God not of God Just a couple texts for you guys

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I want you to have them in your toolbox obviously Deuteronomy chapter 18 is a powerful one go to Isaiah 47 just quickly

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Isaiah 47 I can't exhaust this today. So forgive me for not being able to do so today

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But I want to just give you some points before we talk about an intimate issue and play some clips for you guys

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Isaiah 47 I Want you to see just one example of how

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God talks about this it's all throughout the Bible Isaiah 47 verse 12.

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God says stand fast in your enchantments and your many sorceries

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You guys know what enchantment enchantments are enchantments would be like special amulets special devices that have some sort of power a lot of times people today even sell enchantments and they say these have special powers and properties that ultimately

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Touch certain parts of your health of your body. These are enchantments amulets those sorts of things

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Stand fast in your enchantments and your many and sorceries With which you have labored from your youth perhaps you may be able to succeed perhaps you may inspire terror

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You are wearied with your many counsels Let them stand forth and save you those who divide the heavens who gaze at the stars

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Who at the new moons make known what shall come upon you? What's he talking about there? astrology

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Behold, they are like stubble the fire consumes them. They cannot deliver themselves from the power of the flame

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No call for warming one One self is this no fire to sit before such to you are those with whom you have labored

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Who have done business with you from your youth they wander about each in his own direction

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There is no one to save you. He's saying to his people you have these Relationships with these people who are telling you about the stars and telling you about your future

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They have these special enchantments and powers and spells this divination

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He says these people cannot save you and he's condemning his people for engaging in the very practices that he told them were an abomination

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Hosea chapter 4 Old Testament minor prophet

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Hosea Chapter 4. I want you to hear how God Speaks to his people who were engaging in some of these practices

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Hosea chapter 4 this is actually powerful Follow here. This is in Chapter 1 here.

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Sorry chapter chapter 4 verse 1 here the word of the Lord Oh children of Israel for the

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Lord has a Controversy with the inhabitants of the land. There is no faithfulness or Steadfast love and no knowledge of God in the land.

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There is swearing lying murder Stealing and committing adultery they break all bounds and bloodshed follows bloodshed therefore the land mourns and all who dwell in it languish and Also the beasts of the field and the birds of the heavens and even the fish of the sea are taken away yet Let no one contend and let none accuse for with you as my contention

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Oh priest You shall stumble by day you the prophet also by shall stumble with you by night and I will destroy your mother

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My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge Because you've rejected knowledge. I Reject you from being a priest to me and since you have forgotten the law of your

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God, I also will forget your children What's God saying here? He's listen. He's listening.

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Listen closely. He is judging his people Why for abandoning his law and his standards and what does it look like?

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The more they increase the more they sinned against me. I will change their glory into shame They feed on the sin of my people

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They are greedy for their iniquity and it shall be like people Like priest

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I will punish them for their ways and repay them for their deeds They shall eat but not be satisfied

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They shall play the whore but not multiply because they have forsaken the Lord to cherish whoredom wine and new wine which take away the understanding listen watch here it is verse 12 my people inquire of a piece of wood and They're walking staff gives them oracles.

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What's that? divination essentially dousing For a spirit of whoredom has led them astray and they have left their

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God to play the whore They sacrifice on the tops of the mountains and burn offerings on the hills under oak

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Poplar and terebinth because their shade is good. Therefore your daughters play the whore and your brides commit adultery

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What's he saying? You've abandoned the law of God You've abandoned my standards and you're acting just like the pagan nations

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You're consulting the same oracles Engaging in divination doing the very same things and what does

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God say to his people listen closely? He's saying why pastor Jeff bring it up. I know the Bible talks about divination. Here's my point

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God actually judges his people Judges them for engaging in these practices

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So when someone says I Don't think it's a big deal. I don't think it's anything to worry about we can actually combine

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What are occultic practices what God says are detestable and abomination we can combine that with basic Christian teaching and practice

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God says I will judge you my people for abandoning my law and Consulting the things that the pagans consult for engaging in their practices doing what they do

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How dare we as God's people say it's no big deal How dare we as God's people say we can actually accept these practices into our fellowship into our homes

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How dare we say it's no big deal to engage in the Ouija board to engage in any form of dowsing and divination and sorcery

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Because God says he will judge his people for these things he judges the pagan nations for doing them

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He will dispossess them and here's the point Listen, if we accept it as his people if we're a church professing faith in Jesus Christ Engaging in occultic practices if we receive them into our congregation and fellowship and we have them as part of our praxis

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I believe that God will dispossess us There are examples in Scripture again 2nd

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Kings 21 6 God judges Manasseh for these practices and in Galatians chapter 5

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You know the text God says there are fruits of the Spirit and there are works of the what? Flesh and what are some of the works of the flesh that God refers to he says drunkenness work of the flesh outbursts of wrath work of the flesh

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He actually names Factions Dissensions works of the flesh.

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In other words, that's not from God. It's not from the Spirit of God It's part of your fallen nature

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But what does he say? He says this sorceries Work of the flesh is to engage in sorcery any kind of attempt to grab at Secret knowledge hidden knowledge from another realm

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Sorceries now, I want to say just quickly my responsibilities. I Won't belabor this point, but I just want you to understand my heart as your pastor and what

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I know is God's command to me pastoral responsibilities What's on my heart

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When I think about you When I think about what God calls me to do with you. God says in first Peter 5 2 through 3

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Shepherd the flock of God that is among you Exercising oversight not in a compulsion, but willingly as God would have you not for shameful gain, but eagerly not

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Domineering over those in your charge, but be examples to the flock

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First Timothy 3 1 through 16 the saying is trustworthy if anyone aspires to the office of overseer

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He desires a noble task. Therefore an overseer must be above reproach the husband of one wife sober -minded self -controlled respectable hospitable

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Able to teach not a drunkard not violent, but gentle not quarrelsome not a lover of money

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He must manage his own household. Well with all dignity keeping his children submissive for someone does not know how to manage his own household

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How will he care for God's Church? It's on my mind a lot The second

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Timothy 4 to ready preach the word Be ready in season and out of season reprove rebuke and exhort with complete patience and teaching

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First Timothy 5 17 let the elders who rule well be considered worthy of double honor especially those who labor in preaching and teaching

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Acts 20 28 be paid careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock in which the

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Holy Spirit Has made you overseer to care for the Church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.

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That is terrifying the God of all the universe has charged the pastor to care for the people that he bought

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Which means that you belong to Jesus and what a terrifying task to know that God has placed you in a position to care for the souls of people and That God actually says in his word to the pastors of churches

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He says you will give an account for how you've shepherded my people.

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That's a terrifying thought. I Mean believers, we know we're saved or justified. We're not condemned

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But there is actually a very special place for pastors to stand before the throne of Jesus where Jesus confronts

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Pastors How they've taught God's people and how they've cared for them or not cared for them

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So as a minister of the gospel as a pastor of a church, I recognize that you don't belong to me you belong to him and he has placed shepherds in his church to care for the people that he bought with his blood and The role of a pastor is to love to raise up to equip to teach to rebuke to exhort to encourage

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That's the role of a pastor and your role as a church Hebrews 13 17 obey your leaders and submit to them

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For they are keeping watch over your souls as those who will give have to give an account Let them do this with joy and not with groaning for that would be of no advantage to you

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You got to love the pastoral heart of the heap the writer of the Hebrews, right? He's like Submit to your pastors right like don't make it hard for them guys

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Don't make you know, he's a pastor who wrote this he's like submit to those or authority over you and don't let it let it be with joy and Not with groaning for that be no advantage to you.

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You know, that's a pastor who wrote that So those are some pastoral responsibilities

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I want you guys to hear that okay third point I wanted to point you to quickly Some tools of the occult if you want to write them down write them down.

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I'm not gonna exhaust it number one dowsing Dowsing is a very common tool across the wide spectrum of occultic

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New Age and paranormal practices with dowsing

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The kind of examples of dowsing can be multiplied almost to no end

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Ouija board is an example of dowsing. It's actually more than that But it is an example of dowsing you're typically typically with dowsing trying to get a yes or no answer a binary

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Response using some sort of a tool. It could be sticks. It could be rocks. It could be an arrow

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It could be a part of your own body dowsing is a tool to get hidden information from a supernatural not natural place

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That would be a form of dowsing Number two remote reading and viewing. This is also another very common tool of the occult it varies depending on the practice and practitioner and The way remote viewing works it often you worries works together with dowsing

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It's a matter of fact anybody ever seen the movie the men who stare at goats You ever see the men who stare at goats raise your hand if you saw that movie was that crazy or what?

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Right. Did you know it's true story? The men who stare at goats is a true story based on the

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United States military They discovered there's actually some success in the paranormal. So this is not like a hundred years ago.

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This is like Recently it only recently ended it was going on for 20 years the

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United States military funded a paranormal division the paranormal division was supposed to investigate and implement in practice

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Tools of the occult to get information and you know what they actually had some very significant successes

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You know what they used dowsing Yes, or no binary responses pendulums sticks arrows

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They also use a tool called remote viewing often in conjunction with dowsing Remote viewing is a very common tool of the occult remote viewing is oftentimes people seeing from afar

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Receiving information from afar. So oftentimes they might get themselves into a state where they view somebody or some item from far away and they receive information either about their whereabouts or information about their

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Circumstances from far away remote viewing taking yourself essentially out of body to view

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Something from far away or receive information remote viewing Psychometric reading another tool of the occult

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This is a well -known tool the practices vary and essentially it works like this

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The claim is that information can be gained by touching an object or a person the claims vary from energy fields to spiritual entities as responsible for the transfer of information

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So one good example of Psychometric reading or psychometry is people will touch an item so for example there are stories of people who received a card from somebody and the

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Psychometric works the person touches the card and they sort of blend together even sometimes a bit of remote reading

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Remote viewing to figure out from energy fields or from spirits attached to the item

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What's going on with the person or item attached to the item so there's a story that dr

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Walter Martin tells in his message on the occult encourage you guys to listen to it Walter Martin occult on YouTube He tells a story of somebody who received a card

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Touches it and actually discovers that the person that they're looking for is still Actually alive he's actually a hostage and He gave the exact location on the map where the person was and it turns out years later.

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That person was released and it was true psychometric reading Another tool of the occult is amulets

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Amulets or enchantments. These are special devices or tools that carry certain energies or Spiritual forces they could be charms things you wear on your neck things you wear on your body another tool of the occult is chanting chanting is most common in Eastern mysticism

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Buddhism you you already know chanting, right? What's it? What's a famous chant that you should all know

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What's that? Oh There you go. Okay. What's another one? You're gonna get it all the time if you ever what is it with Los Angeles LAX Airport?

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How you know, there you go. What is with the Hare Krishnas at LAX if you go to LAX You know what

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I'm talking about as soon as you leave baggage claim It's like they start walking up to you with the bhagavad -gita and all these different books and texts and what are they doing?

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They're walking around going. Howdy Krishna. Howdy you over and over and over and you might think you're just saying something fun

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It's a song. No, they're chanting They believe that chanting gets themselves

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It does actually get them into an altered state of consciousness to get into another realm to be more open to communication with the other side power from the other side energy from the other side and Chanting is used actually commonly today in a lot of holistic

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Practices where they will tell people that they actually have power in their words and chanting and if they're allergic to an item

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Say for example, somebody is allergic to peanuts It's suggested that what you do is you eat the peanuts and you chant peanut peanut peanut peanut

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Peanut P. It's weird, right, right? That's chanting and they suggest that you'll essentially alter the state of your body by chanting energy

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That affects your body You're allergic to chocolate eat chocolate chant chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate chocolate the allergic to peanuts peanuts whatever it may be

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Chants because your words have power and energies and you can actually Change the nature of reality and what's that sound like?

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word of faith the word of faith movement engages in Eastern mysticism by believing that path there's actually power and force behind your words and you release that Power and force into the world through the words that you say.

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So if you want more money You get that wallet out and you say before wallet before Bigger wallet more money more money and you speak to your wallet speak it into existence

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Chanting you see it Eastern mysticism engages in this most often another example of the occult

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Paranormal mediums Psychics palm readers tarot cards.

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These are examples. Let me just read this to you quickly about divination This is from the

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Encyclopedia of New Age beliefs and practices. This is Their piece on divination, please listen closely.

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This is where we start to get to the nitty -gritty Divination is an attempt to predict or control one's future or to gain access to hidden information psychically by the up by the assessment of various indicators such as the occult meaning of numbers or use of particular elements such as the

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Ouija board Examples of divinatory methods include interpreting the positions of the heavenly bodies astrology or the symbols on cards tarot analyzing dreams dream work or the flight of birds or liver markings

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Casting stones or coins or other objects Interpreting hand markings psalmistry and seeking information from dowsing rods idols or oracles

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Ezekiel 21 21 occult games are not necessarily divinatory

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However, they attempt to introduce players to a cult philosophy or practice and a fun and exciting manner through playing a game

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Here's the biblical and Christian evaluation of divination Divination is rejected by name

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Deuteronomy 18 9 through 12 as an involvement with spiritistic powers Hosea 4 12 acts 16 16 through 19 in certain ways pagan divination is the occult counterpart to biblical divination or prophecy potential dangers physical

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Emotional or financial problems resulting from failed predictions incorrect medical diagnoses abuse in psychotherapy occult bondage practitioners are characteristically warned to treat these implements with great respect and deference lest the powers operating behind them be offended and The practitioner be harmed or perhaps even killed

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Here's an introduction and influence of divination while America exists in the 20th and enters the 21st century older book

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Divination practices are expected to increase significantly as more people seek to discover what the new millennium holds for them individually or for the nation as a whole

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Secular and religious predictions of impending disasters or even Armageddon have greatly fueled and renewed interest in divination

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Although divination is a popular technique among New Age practitioners Millions of ordinary

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Americans seem fascinated and hopeful that it may be able to predict their futures to benefit them greatly

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Divination has existed in all cultures throughout our history Here's what I want you to hear from this is powerful in divination ancient and modern occultics occultist dr.

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John H manis Argues that the long history of divination forms an inseparable connection to spiritism in the occult.

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For example, he describes Divination as an ancient mysterious art of the gods spirits

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He also explains that the method of spirit contact used in occult divination today was the same one used in ancient times

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Here's what he says the same process of spirit contact Contact was followed by the ancient diviners

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This can be seen in the meaning of the words used by the ancient Greeks for divination which significantly

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Which signifs are it's a little the page is messed up here, which sick would signify impulse force

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Paroxysm an unnatural condition of the individual concerns, which is under the influence and control of a psychic force and Invisible entity or a god this procedure and method of communication with the spirit world was then as it is today the most popular

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Here's what dr. Manus this expert on occultism says He says divination is an art and as such it has to be mastered through patient effort and spiritual illumination certain brain

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Etheric and mental centers have to be opened in certain dormant faculties developed.

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It takes a long time according to the aptitude and development of the candidate a good one must also be a good philosopher and Occultist only a pure and unselfish diviner will send out high

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Spiritual vibrations which in turn will attract and make possible his communication with a corresponding high entity

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Here are some divinatory methods. Listen closely This is a couple of ways you would find it all divinatory methods utilize some principal object

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Which becomes the focus or vehicle through which spirits serve the client and produce the needed answers to questions character analysis

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Prognostication and so on Here's a following list of contact objects for a number of common forms of divination astrology tarot

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Runes Numerology Ouija board psychomet psychometry the divining rod pendulum black box psalmistry crystal gazing or crystal work crystal ball

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Here's one metoscopy Physiognomy fizzy

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John Amit Janami. Sorry Phrenology the forehead face and skull is used as part of the work of divination water dousing the forked stick or other object

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Space does not permit documenting the spiritual as the nature of all these systems. We will discuss We'll cite sufficient illustrations to show the practitioners acknowledge or suspect spiritual influence in these methods

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Number one in origin and source of power. These methods are historically tied to idolatry spiritism and paganism which the

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Bible consistently prohibits as an affront to God and participation with demonic forces

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Deuteronomy 18 19 through 12 first Corinthians 10 verse 20 number two These practices are supernatural and that they function apart from any known natural mechanism and yet provide access to information

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Unavailable to the five senses these methods do not work on the basis of any natural laws the source of power appears to be both personal and Capable of manipulating people and events and in harmony with ancient methods a price is usually exacted for the favors granted these techniques promote occultism

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These systems carry all the subtle traps and consequences of divinatory practices in general these practices one

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Develop a person psychically and two may lead to direct spirit contact.

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I Wanted you to hear that now

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I wanted to get to these videos Let me just say with humility how we

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Became aware of something of concern that as a church. We should all be aware of Fairly recently

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Turtle as my son turtle. His real name is stellar, but I can't shake turtle. I can't get it out of my mouth

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Turtles neck was hurting Really bad. Actually, it was just weird kind of came out of nowhere Painful neck problem and he couldn't even like sit up.

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It was just really really bad It's just weird for an eight -year -old to have a neck hurting like that out of nowhere No injury and we are aware that many of our family and our members

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Actually go to somebody and we've heard great things great things about this chiropractor and We were aware that this local chiropractor cares for many of our members.

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And so I I think we both suggested Let's go to dr. Ross Many of you guys are aware of dr.

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Ross. He's a sweet man and so candy took

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Stellar to dr. Ross, but this day he actually wasn't available and she went there for the appointment so candy got sent with stellar to dr.

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Ross's protege and When she got to the office with this woman, this woman was immediately using really strange language kind of New Age Candy was immediately aware of that and thought okay.

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Well, this is you know, obviously not dr. Ross. So just must be unique to her

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But as the process went on this woman who was examining my son said that she was going to ask my son's body some questions and The thought was well, she's gonna ask questions about his body and she's gonna

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Ask for some answers. Like how are you feeling? Where does your neck hurt? And She said that after the first time they met she would no longer need to ask the questions out loud

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She would be able to ask the questions in her mind and The body would answer and she began to do

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Something to the back of my son's head that seemed a little unusual and different But they went through the process and she said the next time you guys come

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I'm gonna take it a step ahead and we're actually not just gonna do The physical questions about your body.

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I'm actually gonna ask you questions about your emotions. We're gonna use an emotions chart and so Candy came home.

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I thought this is a little strange. What is this technique? What is this thing? It seems unusual to be asking questions to my son's body and not to him

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And so in the practice the woman was actually behind stellar's head Using her hands to get a yes or no answer from stellar's body

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She was asking stellar's body and not stellar and she was getting answers

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And so when candy came home, she asked me do I understand what this practice is?

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Do we know the history of it? Now initially I had thought because I'm goofy and I fumble things a lot.

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I Thought it was the Korean specific technique And for those of you guys that have gone

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Probably think that that's silly but the Korean specific techniques I started looking up the Korean specific technique

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KST and as we began to research and discover It's not called Korean specific technique.

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It's called Coren Specific technique and it's from a man named Ted Coren from Pennsylvania, he created

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KST Coren specific technique and 2004 and so through researching and actually listening to dr.

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Coren reading his materials and actually reading the Foundational things that gave him his worldview

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Which produces KST we learned I learned Pasha Luke and I learned a lot of things about KST Ted Coren I'm gonna

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Explain just a bit of Ted Coren in his worldview. This is from Ted Coren explaining

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KST and I'm gonna read you the portion where he talks about the fundamental worldview and background behind Coren specific technique.

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Let me start From his own words and own writing Talking about how he uses the technique he says

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All were in agreement when performed by those skilled in the different procedures, but we soon discovered there was a non local

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Remember that word there was a non local off the body way to use a biofeedback device

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In addition to using the patient's body to get information yes or no about their own body

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We could use someone else's body to get information about the patient's body For example, if a baby were sleeping in her mother's arms,

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I'd say to the mother don't wake her up I'll check the baby through you and I'd use the mother's

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OD Oxyput drop that's this here and the technique they do you're gonna see in a moment

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To ask about the health of the child. She was holding. How did patients relate to this? I expected a lot of weird looks in the office when

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I use the OD the occiput drop in this surrogate But patients as a whole took this for granted the mother wouldn't bat an eye

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Perhaps parents naturally know that they are connected to their children from surrogate to surrogate Checking babies through parents while they were being held was one thing but checking a child through the parent

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Ever even when the parent wasn't physically holding the child was stretching it a bit, but I found I could use the mother's occiput drop

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Back of her head to check her child. It appears that they were connected even when they weren't physically touching

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This is referred to as era three medicine or Non -local health care as described by Larry Dossie MD and recovering the soul

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Non -locality is related to the collective unconscious Quantum physics and prayer which we'll touch upon in this series, but I digress surrogates galore

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Let's continue with the next discovery found that getting information from a surrogate wasn't limited to using the mother father grandmother grandfather or any relative of the patient a

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Friend or even most surprising a stranger's body could be used Why limit this application to children the patient didn't have to be a child

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I could use the OD the occiput drop from virtually anyone to get information about anyone else

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We could use a third person's body to find out about a patient the doctor as a surrogate

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But then we had yet another leap we discovered that the doctor could use his or her own body

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His or her own binary feedback device To get a yes or no about the patient's body the doctor could be a surrogate for the patient This was easiest in my opinion when done with the

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OD when the OD was used Surrogate work was getting more and more interesting and versatile and he goes on to actually say that he would use the occiput drop

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And he could use it With just his mind through other people

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From long distances. What do you need to know about the basic worldview undergird undergirding core and specific technique?

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Ted Koren admits that he uses and appeals to era 3 medicine from a man named

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Larry Dossie now I've read Larry Dossie Spent time trying to understand his position and his worldview and what you should know about Larry Dossie Is that Larry Dossie suggests an entirely new cosmology a new anthropology and view of the universe?

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Larry Dossie suggests that there are three eras of medicine first the physical broken bone

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Physical fix it era 2 medicine is where you learn that the mind actually does have effects on the body

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You're doing things like psychology and that kind of mind therapy era 3 medicine

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Dossie suggests is where we now work with non non -local Non -locality and what

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Dossie suggests listen closely. This is the worldview underneath which what gave us core and specific technique

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Dossie suggests that all of us come from the same universal mind the same universal mind and when we die, we all enter back into the same one universal mind and Dossie believes that medicine can be done

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Non -local and that's to say that With my mind I can leave my body and enter into the body of another

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To do some digging around questioning those sorts of things non locality. So Ted Coren admits

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Without embarrassment or shame in any way that what was underneath his system of core and specific technique

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Came from Larry Dossie era 3 medicine Non -local medicine the idea that we can leave our own body to an immaterial realm

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To get into another person's body to ask questions with the mind. It's an entirely new cosmology.

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It's an entirely new anthropology Dossie also does not like the

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Christian God or the Bible and Does suggest an entirely new way of looking at the world and medicine

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He believes that medicine has to be fundamentally spiritual that medicine has a spiritual element to it

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Now, let me just give you some introduction to some of the techniques so you can see the tools first video this is somebody explaining

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How to do dowsing what the purposes are how the tool is used make sure that volume is nice and high guys

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Welcome my name is Sheila satin and I'm co -owner of satin crystals today I'm going to be talking about how to use pendulums for dowsing now dowsing is obtaining yes or no answers from your subconscious mind

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Your subconscious mind is linked directly to your higher self, which has all the answers that you need

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But your conscious mind may be blocking and may be doubtful It may be uncertain of so dowsing is a great way to obtain these answers

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So as you can see here There are a large variety of crystal pendulums all natural stones on different chains and for dowsing you can use any type of pendulum

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Today, I'm going to use a quartz pendulum. So this is a quartz point on us So here's an example of someone that's more of a new age practitioner who engages in dowsing

01:11:04

It's a tool of divination and notice what she says. You can look this up for yourselves dowsing do

01:11:09

W s ing just search YouTube. You'll see thousands of videos come up dowsing is a common form

01:11:17

Common practice in the occult. It's used a number of different ways with a number of different tools You can use arrows.

01:11:23

You can use sticks Ouija board. That's a that's a form of dowsing You can also use pendulums and what is what are the answers you're trying to get with dowsing?

01:11:31

What are they? Yes, and no Binary responses yes and no binary responses and this goes across the board

01:11:41

Typically, you're trying to get that kind of yes or no answer in her case. She's using a pendulum

01:11:48

She's using a pendulum to get the yes or no Answer joy, go ahead and give me the second video and just put it up there for me in the second video here

01:11:57

I want to show you another example of dowsing used in medicine This is a medical practitioner and he's using dowsing with a pendulum

01:12:06

To examine his patient to find out which medications she's allergic to So she's using a tool of the occult.

01:12:13

He's using a tool of the occult to receive information About what she's allergic to go ahead

01:12:20

So besides your symptoms you have all the reascultation, etc It's another method of evaluation which particular drug which particular remedy or herb is good for you personally and I use different modalities.

01:12:35

I use herbs. I use homeopathy. I use other methods and That method called radioesthesia in Europe or dowsing in the

01:12:45

United States What it does is it can pick up energy of you and it's an energy of a herb or whatever you

01:12:53

Take and see how this resonates with you and how one herb or one ingredient

01:12:59

Potentiate with another one or cancel one another so what I'm what I'm doing right now I'm using pendulum and I'm checking where you now with your energy since I already check you

01:13:11

I know that you have some problems with bronchitis. This is here So we'd see what will be appropriate for you.

01:13:20

This is what you was prescribed before Let me check it first by another practitioner and it doesn't look like Here's an example of a modern form of divination and dowsing

01:13:35

You're using the pendulum to get your yes or no answers directional and trying to find out what she's allergic to That's an example of dowsing with a pendulum

01:13:46

There's another discussion to be had And let's go ahead and do this joy go ahead and put the number four video up for me, please

01:13:56

That's some examples of these tools of the occult that are used now. This is Larry Dossie.

01:14:01

He is really well known He is very popular in a wide variety of circles from the

01:14:09

New Age to shamans To some chiropractors those sorts of things, but I want you to see here

01:14:16

Dossie in his own words when he describes how he feels about medicine and these sorts of things.

01:14:22

Go ahead joy Tell us what is your main interest in your work? What is what is what is your your passion?

01:14:30

What what is your juice in life? What are you looking? What are you going for? my juice

01:14:36

Has not changed very much since my earliest Involvement in medicine. I have always been interested in the role of consciousness and health

01:14:45

And the role of spirituality and health and healing and staying well When I was in medical training, that was a taboo topic

01:14:54

It was all the body and in many areas In the West it obviously is still the area that most people are interested in but Bodily function is only one

01:15:08

Aspect of who we are and if we neglect spirituality and consciousness, we just simply have an inadequate approach to health and healing and the role of spirituality goes even beyond the role of consciousness because I think we've been

01:15:25

Almost hypnotized in the Western world to think that when our body dies, that's The end of everything it's the annihilation not just of the body

01:15:33

But of our personality and our consciousness and I think that's a false view. I Think it's a view that we are agonizing through and will

01:15:43

Eventually Transcend and I think we're in part of that process right now so so Dossie suggests a new spirituality a new cosmology a new anthropology and Dossie suggests that Spirituality must be blended together with medicine and when he says this idea that we believe that you know

01:16:00

Once you die, you're out of existence. It's because Dossie believes once again that We all come from the same universal minds

01:16:08

When we die we go back into that universal mind and he believed that medicine era three is non local it's being able to go from my mind into another person's body and mind and That's where he comes from now.

01:16:24

I have to apologize for the next one I'll just try to do this as quickly as possible guys and go through these fast this next one there

01:16:30

I couldn't find any other video and so I apologize There's a word that's going to be on the screen that I I couldn't

01:16:38

I couldn't solve the problem so Joy, if you can go to video number five This is a very popular

01:16:48

Shaman, and I wanted to play you a clip of her talking about Larry Dossie era three medicine

01:16:55

I the reason I pulled this clip is to show you that this Shaman who engages in the occult the paranormal all these practices

01:17:04

She does it and celebrates it all these occultic things that God calls an abomination She points directly to era three medicine and Dossie is the foundation of shamanism.

01:17:14

Go ahead If you told me ten years ago what I would be doing today, I'd have said it was absolutely delusional than lunatic

01:17:22

I never thought I would be doing what I'm doing now But I then had some experiences which forced me to change my belief system

01:17:30

But my left brain my intellectual inquiring journalistic brain really wanted to understand

01:17:37

The rationale for what I was experiencing Which led me?

01:17:43

over time and many teachers and much reading to non locality of quantum physics which

01:17:53

Seems to be the start of the scientific underpinning of the fact that we are all somehow

01:18:03

Interconnected Entangled in a way that we don't quite fully understand but quantum physics now does accept that this

01:18:12

Quantum entanglement exists. There's been experiment after experiment after experiment in the linear accelerators around the world that has

01:18:20

Demonstrated quantum entanglement. They still don't quite explain how but it's a fact and somehow it starts to be the science of non locality the fact that things that one place and time can

01:18:34

Impact things at a different place in time. There are non local That starts to give the scientific underpinning for why?

01:18:43

What is sometimes called era three healings which are outside normal space and time actually do

01:18:50

Work, so notice that this shaman is referring to all of Larry Dossie's work. What does she call it era?

01:18:56

What? Era three medicine and what does she call it? She calls it non Locale non local non locality.

01:19:04

And what does she say that this medicine operates outside of space and time?

01:19:09

So it's not a part of the physical realm. It's outside of space and time. It is non local

01:19:15

It was it is immaterial. It is Supernatural, that's the foundation.

01:19:21

So this shaman who's practicing occultic practices what God calls an abomination is

01:19:26

Using Dossie's work as the foundation for her occultic practice and dr Ted Coren admits and is not ashamed in any way

01:19:34

He's not a Christian that that is the foundation for core and specific technique and getting the information that they do

01:19:41

For the assessment and I want to play you a clip of a man many of you guys have a relationship with I want to say right away that I understand that this gentleman is a professing believer

01:19:54

I understand that many of you guys have a relationship with them and you have Very close connection with them and you have an intimate relationship with them

01:20:05

In terms of a personal relationship and a lot of love and I'm going to be very very sensitive to that.

01:20:11

I Respect you and I love you and I care for you and I have no intention of bringing

01:20:19

Wounds upon anybody in this church or even dr. Ross and bringing this to you.

01:20:25

My concern is for your soul My concern is for your well -being before God Now keeping in mind some of the concepts

01:20:34

This is a clip of dr. Ross. This is number six This is dr.

01:20:41

Ross explaining his practice using the occiput drop getting the diagnosis and I want you to listen closely to some of the words you heard in Discussion about Dossie.

01:20:55

You've heard era 3 medicine. You've heard non locality. You've heard now also the quantum physics discussion and all of that This is dr.

01:21:04

Ross describing his practice and how he gets the information that he does He's telling other chiropractors how to how he actually gets people to Submit to the process.

01:21:15

Go ahead What I want to give to you today is just a Modeling of exactly the conversation

01:21:23

I would have a patient that comes into my office Right before we adjust them. So I would just say mr.

01:21:29

Smith at this point What we're doing is we're ready to go and get you adjusted To get you adjusted.

01:21:34

We're going to do some some work That's called KST and it stands for core and specific technique and it's based on what

01:21:40

I told you earlier At the poster that Everything your body needs to do is control for the nervous system. Your brain talks to the body body talks back to the brain

01:21:47

That's all controlled through the nervous system Well, if KST it's even a little bit deeper level than that Understand that everything absolutely everything that your body needs your body knows

01:21:59

There is nothing that your body isn't aware of and it has to for us to stay alive If you inhale a virus right now

01:22:07

Your body knows it's a virus because it has a different response than if it was a bacteria If you put something into your mouth your body would recognize that whether that's a poison or a food and what to take out is

01:22:16

Nutrition what to pass on as waste if you cut yourself your body knows where it cut how deep it's cut and how to heal that it has to Everything that your body needs your body knows

01:22:28

In KST is a way to get out of your body what your body knows for itself And we do that by using what's called an occipital drop check

01:22:36

An occipital drop check is a binary feedback loop Ones and zeros odds and off yes and no and what we use is what's called an occipital drop check

01:22:46

So that's the start of what I'd like us to Point out and pay attention to initially you're trying to get a binary response of what?

01:22:55

Yes, and no, yes, and no and Go ahead and let dr.

01:23:01

Ross continue Little drop check to get out of the body that that check and it's a no and a yes response

01:23:07

And it works a lot like a lie detector test us with a lie detector test They hook you up to electronics ask you yes, no questions, and they measure that physiological change on a machine

01:23:17

Well with KST instead of hooking up electronics to measure that yes and no response We feel for that with with again this occipital drop check

01:23:26

And what we'll be doing then is is checking on the back of your head And we'll ask the body a question and then feel is it no or is it yes a no will stay even a yes drops

01:23:35

Low on the left and so we're just going to go through an entire series of questions to get out of your body

01:23:40

What your body knows needs to be adjusted? Those yes, and no questions.

01:23:45

We're going to ask you I'm going to start out actually asking out loud So you'll get a feel for how that that process works after that I'm going to actually kind of shut up and go through the questions quietly and that's part of the thing with KST And I don't have all the answers exactly so you notice that shift

01:24:03

Yes, or no binary response That's dowsing by the way Even if you're using your thumbs as the tool is a dowsing instrument and by the way as Stated in the

01:24:14

Encyclopedia of New Age beliefs it isn't isn't uncommon to use the skull and the head as a dowsing

01:24:20

Instrument in history, but you notice the leap we now went from the physical and the material realm of even vocalizing

01:24:28

An interrogative to the body to the physical body. He said he suggests that after a while He'll stop asking the questions out loud and he'll ask them with his mind

01:24:40

Now we're moving from even a physical realm of vocalizing a question to we're asking questions with the mind

01:24:47

Into another body now listen to him explain is how that process works You know, I don't have all the answers exactly how that works and I've seen the quantum physics and all those pieces but bottom line we can either

01:25:00

I've seen the Quantum physics, where's he getting that from?

01:25:06

Dossie Era three medicine Non -locality so essentially the worldview underneath KST Has its anchor in Dossie era three medicine and all the rest and dr.

01:25:22

Coren admits Sorry, dr. Ross admits that he is able to ask the physical body a question

01:25:29

With his mind and receive an answer through this instrument of yes or no the occipital drop

01:25:37

And so let's go on quickly to the next point just so you see it Video number seven joy and we only have a little bit left here guys

01:25:44

I know we're going a little long today, but I want you to see these final points number seven This is a well -known

01:25:49

KST practitioner explaining how this works go ahead some pains so I'm going to demonstrate with my patient today how we do the adjustment and the first thing

01:25:58

I want to tell you about is The analysis that we do and we call it the occiput drop

01:26:03

And we call it the occiput drop because we do it at the base of your head Which is where the occiput bone is and what we do is we do this motion with our hands and what happens is one side

01:26:14

The left side drops lower as we do that test and as we challenge your body So this is a response test that allows us to ask your body

01:26:21

Where do we need to go to release the tension and that we let your body direct it because honestly your body knows very well

01:26:28

What you need so let me go ahead and demonstrate that I'll start just by asking if we need to adjust

01:26:34

And I get a yes And that was because my left hand dropped lower than my right hand when I did that test so in the beginning

01:26:41

We'll do very very simple straightforward questions We'll ask the body is the problem above the waist and we get a yes

01:26:48

Is it above the shoulders and we get a yes, so is it in the cranial bones? No cranial sutures

01:26:56

Yes, it is Okay, so we know that her body wants us to go somewhere in the cranial sutures and where the cranial bones come together to adjust

01:27:05

So having done this as many years as I can I also get a feel for it That I feel like it might be right about there, and I'm getting a yes on that So I'm gonna challenge her body in different directions, so I'll just swipe this way or that way

01:27:19

And we get a yes on that so then I use my just so that's how the process generally works

01:27:26

I know it seems very interesting and Peculiar, but let me just suggest to you something

01:27:32

What's fascinating to me is the reviews that many people have of KST practitioners?

01:27:39

The reviews are very important people say things about KST practitioners that they generally say about shamans and Paranormal healers and those sorts of things they say things like this.

01:27:51

He knew what was wrong with me Before he even asked the question He knew stuff about my past Before he even asked me the question

01:28:03

He knew information about the inside of my body and my past health issues before he even asked a question

01:28:11

And KST practitioners often say that they receive information in their mind without asking a question

01:28:18

After they get good at the occipital drop the occiput drop number eight joy

01:28:25

Another example of KST practitioner, this is a well -known practitioner. I want you to see this.

01:28:30

This is her working on a woman Go ahead Okay, we use in order to address.

01:28:37

What's going on with Heidi We're actually going to use what we call is the occipital drop and it's a way of accessing her body's energy

01:28:44

It's using the back of her head or the occiput So what we're doing is actually using our hands to find out exactly what's going on with her

01:28:52

We're going to use the occiput and basically what I'm doing is finding out if there's anything in what order to go

01:28:58

The way this technique works is that we actually are going to go in a very specific very specific order to what her body needs

01:29:04

So So when I get a yes,

01:29:09

I'm basically following her body and knowing where to go So one of the things we found on Heidi is a panic pattern and what it is

01:29:20

There's another example of the occipital drop being done asking yes or no questions and you notice with this really well known practitioner

01:29:27

She never really asked the question out loud. It's always in her mind to the other body

01:29:34

Asking the yes or no Now I want you to see number nine This goes another level deeper to show that this isn't just merely a physical process

01:29:44

She's going to explain now how they use the occiput drop to get a yes or no response or get information concerning her emotional

01:29:51

State now, I want you to see it for yourself. Go ahead joy Things that we can do with KST is actually adjust for emotions

01:29:57

And by that we do it a very actually a really quick way to address the emotions is we actually use an emotion chart this chart actually has probably a hundred different kinds of emotions on there and by Finding out if it's left side right side

01:30:13

Which section and what number we can get to the heart of what that emotion is and the exact number that this patient needs

01:30:19

So what I'm going to do is using the OD Because I already got that she has an emotion I have that I got a drop on the fact that it was on the chart

01:30:27

So I'm going to say left side and I get a yes on left So that means the right side is a no and then

01:30:33

I would say a I got a drop on a and then one Two three four, so basically you just count down you do left side right side

01:30:42

ABCDE One through ten and then you get to the number that she needs and right now She a four is anger.

01:30:50

So she's a little mad Women don't tend to admit that they're angry about anything. So in this the suggestion is that her physical body is reading a piece of paper

01:31:02

That has a list on it beside her and she's receiving information from her body asking a question to her body and finding out which emotion on the chart is

01:31:15

The right emotion she's struggling with and let me just suggest to you from a biblical biblical perspective Our physical bodies are referred to as tense, right?

01:31:23

Our physical bodies are important They're good all those things But our physical bodies have no ability to reason apart from our spirit our personality

01:31:35

The physical body itself can't read Papers can't engage in arithmetic apart from my own personality

01:31:44

So from a biblical perspective there is no ability To have the physical body operating apart from my own personality my own spiritual essence and the suggestion being made here is that the chart that's laying on the table is being read by her

01:32:02

Body and communicated to her all of this communication is immaterial

01:32:08

Supernatural other than natural Okay, next one joy and this is where it gets interesting and we're almost done really this gets interesting this one

01:32:23

Demonstrates KST what has actually become pretty common practice as far as I can tell

01:32:29

Engages in a lot of remote viewing and reading as well. So there's the dowsing technique.

01:32:35

Yes or no binary response? Yes, or no. There's the asking questions with the mind there is engaging from non locality one mind into the other

01:32:44

But there's also the remote viewing aspect with KST practitioners suggest that they can actually read another person's body

01:32:51

From far away. It's suggested that they can read another person's body from literally across the country

01:32:59

It's suggested that they can actually do a reading using their own body as a surrogate on a person.

01:33:04

That is a thousand miles away and in this case, here's an example of a kind of blend of remote viewing a toll of the occult and Dowsing go ahead joy

01:33:15

So what we're going to do now is and we've been doing this since the very beginning we At the very beginning we didn't know she had three but we were focusing on what the babies needed

01:33:26

And so we have baby a baby B and baby C and they've kind of named themselves.

01:33:32

So We're what we do is we basically start with baby the babies have named themselves, so there's communication suggested between the practitioner and The woman's babies in the womb

01:33:46

She's pregnant with triplets and she's saying that the babies have named themselves baby a baby

01:33:52

B baby C so these babies in the womb already know their alphabet and How to do arithmetic apparently

01:34:03

But here's where the communication begins to happen from the mind to another body Basically start with baby a and see what baby a needs.

01:34:10

So I changed my thinking and say out loud that we're focusing on baby a right now So we're gonna just for what baby needs and we actually use the mom to adjust for what the baby needs so That's an example of Combination of two tools of the occult dowsing remote viewing remote reading now

01:34:46

What's important here other than the unusual nature of it is that God does speak directly to these tools?

01:34:54

This kind of communication is not the kind of communication that God Allows, it's not the kind of communication that is ultimately helpful.

01:35:04

It's not the communication that he Permits according to Deuteronomy chapter 18

01:35:12

Now, let me just say this because of time I have another video to show you but I I think that's probably enough a lot of people ask the question how can a

01:35:26

Christian How can it be bad if it's done by a Christian how can it be bad if it's done by somebody who professes faith in Jesus How can it be that off if it's done by a person who confesses

01:35:42

Jesus as Lord I want to read you a text from Acts chapter 16 the Apostle Paul and Silas Are engaged in their ministry their evangelism wasn't closely verse 16 as we were going to the place of prayer we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit of divination and Brought her owners much gain by fortune -telling

01:36:04

She followed Paul Paul and us crying out these men are servants of the Most High God who proclaimed to you the way of salvation and This she kept doing for many days

01:36:15

Paul having become greatly annoyed turned and said to the Spirit I command you in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her and it came out of her at that very hour

01:36:25

Why do I bring this text up one? I bring it up to show that it was a spirit of divination to that it was being used for profit to make money and Three that this girl who is possessed by the spirit of divination

01:36:40

Was able to say theologically correct things This demon had to be cast out of her

01:36:49

She was using divination for profit and she was saying theologically correct things what we can't do as Christians is look at something that God calls an abomination and detestable in Scripture and Say that we give it a pass because the person practicing it says they love

01:37:06

Jesus God doesn't permit us to do such a thing And I want to say that I did have conversation with dr.

01:37:16

Ross through email he demanded initially to meet with me and then he decided not to and He did write a response and I don't have time to go through the whole response but I will tell you that the basis for his practice as to why he thinks it's permissible is

01:37:32

That in his experience, it's drawn him closer to Jesus and healed so many people

01:37:38

His acceptance of the practice is not so much that it really is consistent with the scriptures It's based upon his own personal experience that hits drawn him closer to Jesus Christ and allowed him to heal people.

01:37:51

I Want to express to you as my brothers and sisters my great love for you. I To care for you and to do so with clean hands before God and My concern for you is this if we engage in practices that clearly

01:38:13

Clearly employ tools of the occult if we engage in practices that God calls an abomination and detestable

01:38:21

Then we open ourselves up to Forces and realms that God wants to protect us from I want to suggest this to you

01:38:36

That if we engage this realm Then we open ourselves up Individually and as families and as a church to spiritual attacks and connections

01:38:49

That will destroy us the world of the occult is mind -corrupting and soul -killing and As Christians we ought not

01:39:01

Engage in practices and be flippant about it that God calls an abomination. I want to encourage you to ask hard questions

01:39:13

Ask hard questions I want to encourage you to firm up your commitments to the scriptures and to the law of God And I want to encourage you to talk to your pastors if you have any questions if you have concerns

01:39:25

We care for you and we want your best before God so, please ask questions as a church

01:39:34

We're committed to the law of God and what God's standards are And I think that there's one thing that sits on me as your pastor.

01:39:44

I just want to be transparent These very practices Supernatural communication paranormal communication tools of the occult these very practices

01:39:54

God in his word Says that he dispossesses and he dispossesses nations for and he judges his people for If we have an attitude towards practices that God says that about that it's not such a big deal that I don't think that it's wrong that I I just I Think Christians can do it

01:40:17

Then we are acting contrary to the very law of God. And if somebody says this well, can't you redeem it?

01:40:26

Can you redeem that I would only ask you this What if I suggested to you that I had a new way of discovering how to cure what ails you how to fix your health?

01:40:39

And you said Jeff tell me what it is. I gotta know and I said it's a fantastic tool It's actually actually an ancient tool and here's how

01:40:47

I will discover what's wrong with your body. I will use the Ouija board Let me ask you a question.

01:40:53

What would you say to me? You would say no and Jeff you're fired You're fired, right?

01:41:00

You would say you're fired, right? You try to get people to go say pastor Jeff is going to use the Ouija board to gain information

01:41:07

Hidden knowledge. Let me ask you a question. Why would you not allow that? Why would you say that it's not permissible for a

01:41:14

Christian to use the Ouija board to gain information in that way? Why? Because God hates it

01:41:21

Because listen the tool itself is used For purposes that God condemns and what we can't redeem ready.

01:41:32

You can't redeem the Ouija board For Jesus Christ, you can't take dominion over dousing

01:41:39

You can't take dominion over seances You can't take dominion over meat being a medium.

01:41:46

You can't take dominion over being a necromancy neck involved in necromancy You can't take dominion over communication with the dead why the tool itself is condemned by God That's why

01:42:00

And so my passion my great passion for all of you always is that you would grow an intimacy and obedience toward Jesus Christ You would grow an intimacy and obedience toward Jesus Christ You would experience delight and joy through the relationship you have with him and you will be guarded and protected

01:42:19

From all of these forces and powers that God has redeemed you from last word on this.

01:42:24

Please listen closely You have nothing to fear from the the dark spiritual hosts nothing to fear

01:42:31

You have nothing to fear from Satan nothing to fear from demonic hosts The Bible says that God has not given us a spirit of fear but a power and of sound mind and the

01:42:40

Bible says that God has redeemed us delivered us out of the kingdom of darkness and Brought us into the kingdom of his dear son.

01:42:47

That's where we are now. Listen. Here's the point You and I are in a new kind of relationship with God You are in a relationship with God.

01:42:56

God has bought you at a price He expects you in this marriage relationship where he's bought you and brought you to himself

01:43:04

To no longer associate in those old relationships those old forms of communication

01:43:10

That's the call. God has redeemed us from that world and he calls us to abandon it

01:43:16

And my encouragement to those of you guys that have been to dr. Ross is to know That we love you and I just want to say this.

01:43:24

I know most of you very very personally. This was really hard it's really hard to have this kind of conversation and My hope is that you understand that coming here today to do this off of our series

01:43:39

Was a decision that was made by your pastors for your good and There's been moments in the history of apology at church.

01:43:47

We've had hard moments. We've had to actually do discipline This isn't by the way discipline. This is warning.

01:43:52

This is warning warn the church warn the church We've had moments of discipline and moments of warning as a church some of you guys have been here since the very beginning you know that and I got to tell you that every time the pastor

01:44:03

Luke and I hit one of these moments Though we have to fight our own flesh and our own desire for comfort

01:44:10

I'll tell you every time 100 % We are gonna fight for your souls over our own comfort every day

01:44:16

And we're gonna fight for the truth of God in your life over our own comfort every day, and I'll tell you this right now if it's between Telling the truth and losing the entire church or Holding on to falsehood to keep the church.

01:44:34

I choose burning this church to the ground every day The truth is what counts

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Always and if it means the church needs to die and rise again for the sake of truth rather than Error and unity then

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I say let the church die and rise again Because truth matters most and if I can be an example for this church in any way

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I want to be an example in this way never compromise Always stand on the truth of God Always embrace what

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God says and always seek to obey him. You're bought with a price if you have any questions

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We are always here for you And my desire is that you grow and life and delight and blessing and joy in Christ.

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Let's pray Father I pray that you would bless today the discussion we had

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I know there's questions. I know there's Lord Maybe even Lord joy in this moment joy joy over Lord your protection and your provision and I pray that God you would just bless this church

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You have saved us and drawn us to yourself and Lord We have love for one another and love for your truth protect this church

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Lord I believe with all my heart that you are protecting you this church You are you are guarding us and watching over us

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Every moment of our lives and I believe that in this moment as a church you display

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God your provision and care for this church and Protecting us Lord from the enemy