Hells Best Kept Secret — Ray Comfort

Modern Evangelism and the Problem of False Conversions

In the late 70s God very graciously opened an itinerant ministry to me. As I began to travel I found I had access to church growth records and found to my horror that something like 80 to 90 percent of those making a decision for Christ Were falling away from the faith.

That is modern evangelism with its methods was creating something like 80 to 90 of what we commonly call backsliders for every hundred decisions for Christ. We make it more real for you. In 1991 in the first year of the decade of harvest a major denomination in the u .s. Was able to obtain 294 ,000 decisions for Christ.

That is in one year this major denomination of eleven and a half thousand churches was able to obtain 294 ,000 decisions for Christ. Unfortunately, they can only find 914 ,000 in fellowship, which means they couldn't account for 280 ,000 of their decisions and this is normal modern results and something I discovered way back in the 70s greatly concerned me.

The Law of the Lord and the Gospel

I began to study the book of Romans intently and Specifically the gospel proclamation of men like Spurgeon Wesley Moody Finney of Whitfield Luther others that God used down through the ages and I found they used a principle which is almost entirely neglected by modern evangelical methods.

I began teaching that principle was eventually invited to base our ministry in Southern, California the city of Bellflower in, California. Specifically to bring this teaching to the Church of the u .s.

Things were quiet for the first three years until I received a call from Bill Gothard Who had seen the teaching on video and he flew me to San Jose in Northern, California. I shared it with a thousand pastors.

In 1992 he screened that video to 30 ,000 pastors. The same year David Wilkerson called from New York called from his car. He'd been listening to the teaching in his car called me on his car phone and immediately flew me 3 ,000 miles from LA to New York this year the one-hour teaching with his church.

He considered it to be that important and recently I heard of a pastor who had listened to the audio tape 250 times. I'd be happy if you listen just once to this teaching which is called hell's best-kept secret.

The Bible says in Psalm 19 verse 7 the law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul. What is it that the Bible says is perfect and actually converts the soul? Why scripture makes it very clear the law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul and illustrate the function of God's law.

Let's just look for a moment. It's civil law. Imagine if I said to you I've got some good news for you. Someone has just paid a $25 ,000 speeding fine on your behalf you probably react by saying what are you talking about?

That's not good news. It doesn't make sense. I don't have a $25 ,000 speeding fine my good news wouldn't be good news to you. Foolishness, but more than that it would be offensive to you because I'm insinuating you've broken the law when you don't think you have.

However, if I put it this way may make more sense on the way to this meeting the law clocked you at going 55 miles an hour through an area set aside for a blind children's convention. There were 10 clear warning signs stating that 15 miles an hour is the maximum speed.

But you went straight through at 55 miles an hour. What you did was extremely dangerous. There's a $25 ,000 fine. The law was about to take its course when someone you don't even know Stepped in and paid the fine for you.

You are very fortunate. Can you see that telling you precisely what you've done wrong first actually makes the good news make sense. If I don't clearly bring instruction and understanding you violated the law then the good news will seem foolishness.

It will seem offensive. But once you understand that you've broken the law. Then that good news will become good news indeed now in the same way if I approach an impenitent sinner. And say Jesus Christ died on the cross for your sins.

It'll be foolishness to him and offensive to him. Foolishness because it won't make sense. The Bible says that the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness and Offensive because I'm insinuating he's a sinner.

But he doesn't think he is as far as he's concerned. There are a lot of people far worse than him. But if I take the time to follow in the footsteps of Jesus that may make more sense if I take the time to open up the divine law the ten commandments and show the sinner precisely what he's done wrong that he has offended God by violating his law.

Then when he comes as James says Convinced of the law as a transgressor the good news of the fine being paid for will not be foolishness. It will not be offensive. It will be the power of God under salvation.

The Functions of God's Law

Now those few thoughts in mind by way of introduction. Let's now look at Romans 3 verse 19. We'll look at some of the functions of God's law for humanity. Romans 3 verse 19 now We know the whatsoever things the law says it says to them who are under the law that every mouth may be stopped and all.

The world may become guilty before God. So one function of God's law is to stop the mouth to stop sinners. Justifying themselves and saying there's plenty people worse than me. I'm not a bad person really.

No the law stops the mouth of justification. And leaves the whole world not just the Jews, but the whole world guilty before God. Romans 3 verse 20. Therefore by the deeds of the law there should no flesh be justified in his sight.

For by the law is the Knowledge of sin. So God's law tells us what sin is. First John 3 4 says sin is transgression of the law. Romans 7 verse 7 what should we say then says Paul is the law sin. God forbid.

No I have not known sin, but by the law Paul says I didn't know what sin was until the Lord told me in Galatians 3 24. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ that we might be justified by faith.

God's law acts as a schoolmaster to bring us to Jesus Christ. We might be justified through faith in his blood. The law doesn't help us. It just leaves us helpless. It doesn't justify us. It just leaves us guilty before the judgment bar of a holy God.

And the tragedy of modern evangelism. Is the cause around the turn of the century when it forsook the law in its capacity to convert the soul to drive sinners to Christ. Modern evangelism had to therefore find another reason for sinners to respond to the gospel and the issue that modern evangelism Chose to attract sinners was the issue of life enhancement.

The gospel degenerated into Jesus Christ will give you peace joy love fulfillment and lasting happiness. Now to illustrate the unscriptural nature of this very popular teaching I would like you to listen very carefully to this following anecdote because the essence of what I'm saying pivots on this particular illustration.

So please listen carefully. Two men are seated in a plane. The first is given a parachute and told to put it on as it would improve his flight. He's a little skeptical at first as he can't see how wearing a parachute a plane could possibly improve a flight.

After time he decides to experiment and see if the claim is true. As he puts it on he notices the weight of it upon His shoulders and he finds he has difficulty in sitting upright. However, he consoles himself with the fact he was told the parachute would improve the flight.

So he decides to give the thing a little time as he waits. He notices that some of the other passengers are laughing at him because he's wearing a parachute in a plane. It begins to feel somewhat humiliated as they begin to point and laugh and he can stand it no longer.

He slinks in a seat unstraps the parachute and throws to the floor. Disillusionment and bitterness fill his heart because as far as he was concerned he was told an outright lie. The second man is given a parachute but listen what he's told.

He's told to put it on because at any moment he'd be jumping 25 ,000 feet out of the plane he gratefully puts the parachute on. He doesn't notice the weight upon his shoulders nor that he can't sit Upright.

His mind is consumed with the thought of what would happen to him if he jumped without that parachute. Let's analyze the motive and the result of each passengers experience. The first man's motive of putting the parachute on was solely to improve his flight.

The result of the experience was that he was humiliated by the passengers. He was disillusioned and somewhat embittered against those who gave him the parachute as far as he's concerned. It'll be a long time before anyone gets one of those things on his back again.

The second man put the parachute on Solely to escape the jump to come and because of his knowledge of what would happen to without it. He has a deep-rooted joy and peace in his heart knowing that he's safe from sure death.

This knowledge gives them the ability to withstand the mockery the other passengers. This attitude or those who gave him the parachute is one of heartfelt gratitude. Now listen to what the modern gospel says it says put on the Lord Jesus Christ.

He'll give you love joy peace fulfillment and lasting happiness. In other words, Jesus will improve your flight. So the sinner responds and in an Experimental fashion puts on the Savior to see the claims the truth.

And what does he get the promise temptation tribulation and persecution. The other passengers mocking? So, what does he do. He takes off the Lord Jesus Christ, he's offended for the word sake. He's disillusioned and somewhat embittered and quite rightly.

So he was promised peace joy love fulfillment and lasting happiness and all he got the trials and humiliation. His bitterness is directed those who gave him the so-called good news. His latter end becomes worse than the first another inoculated and bitter backslider.

Saints instead of preaching that Jesus improves the flight. We should be warning the passengers. They're going to have to jump out of the plane. But it's the point of the man wants to die and after this the judgment and when a sinner understands the horrific Consequences of breaking God's law then he will flee to the Savior.

Solely to escape the wrath that's to come. And if we're true and faithful witnesses. That's what we'll be preaching that there is wrath to come that God commands all men everywhere to repent. Why. Because he has appointed a day in which he'll judge the world in righteousness.

You see the issue isn't one of happiness. But one of righteousness. Doesn't matter how happy a sinner is how much he's enjoying the pleasures of sin for a season without the righteousness of Christ. He'll perish in the day of wrath.

Riches profit not on the day of wrath, but righteousness delivers from death. Peace and joy are legitimate fruits of salvation. But it's not legitimate to use these fruits as a drawcard for salvation.

If we continue to do so sinners will spawn with an impure motive lacking repentance. Now can you remember why the second passenger had joy and peace in his heart was because he knew that parachute was going to save Him from sure death.

And as a believer I have as Paul says joy and peace in believing because I know that the righteousness of Christ is Going to deliver me from the rapids to come. Now that thought in mind. Let's take a close look at an incident on board the plane.

We have a brand new stewardess. She's carrying a tray of boiling hot coffee. It's her first day. She wants to leave an impression on the passengers. And she certainly does because if she's walking down the aisle she trips over someone's foot and stops that boiling hot coffee.

All over the lap of our second passenger now. What's his reaction. That boiling liquid hits his tender flesh. Does he go and that hurt mm-hmm? He feels the pain. But then does he rip the parachute from his shoulders throw it on the floor and say the stupid parachute.

No, why should he he didn't put the parachute on for a better flight? He put it on to save him from the jump to come if anything the hot coffee incident causes them to cling tighter to the Parachute and even look forward to the jump now if you and I put on the Lord Jesus Christ for the right motive to Flee from the wrath is to come when tribulation strikes when the flight gets bumpy.

We won't get angry at God. We won't lose our joy and peace. Why should we we didn't come to Jesus for a happy lifestyle. We came to flee from the wrath is to come and if anything tribulation drives the true believer closer to the Savior and sadly we have Literally multitudes of professing Christians who lose their joy and peace when the flight gets bumpy.

Why. They're the product of a man-centered gospel. They came lacking repentance without which you can't be saved. I was in Australia recently ministering. Australia is a small island off the coast of New Zealand.

I preach sin law righteousness holiness judgment repentance and how. It wasn't exactly crushed by the amount of people wanting to give their hearts to Jesus. In fact the air went very tense. After the meeting they said there's a young guy down the back who wants to give his life to Christ.

I went down the back and found a teenage lad who could not pray the sinner's prayer. Because he was weeping so profusely now for me. It was so refreshing because for many years I suffered from the disease of evangelical frustration.

I so wanted sinners to respond to the gospel. I unwittingly preached a man-centered message the essence of which was this you'll never find true peace without Jesus Christ. You have a God-shaped vacuum in your heart only God can fill.

I preach Christ crucified. I preach repentance. A sinner would respond at the altar. I'd open an eye and say oh, no this guy wants to give his heart to Jesus, and there's an 80 chance He's gonna backslide, and I am tired of creating backslides, so I better make sure this guy really means it.

He better be sincere so I'd approach the poor guy in a Gestapo spirit. I'll walk up and say what do you want. You say I'm here to become a Christian. I said do you mean it? They say yeah, so do you? Really mean it.

It's a yeah, I reckon okay. I'll pray with you, but you better mean it from your heart. It's okay, okay? You repeat this prayer sincerely after me and mean it from your heart sincerely and really mean it from your heart sincerely.

And make sure you mean it. Oh God, I'm a sinner. Oh God I'm a sinner, and I say man. Why isn't there visible sign of contrition? There's no outward evidence the guy's inwardly sorry for his sins. If I could have seen his motive I would have seen he was 100 Sincere.

He really did mean his decision with all his heart. He sincerely want to give this Jesus thing a go to see if you get a buzz out of it. He tried six drugs materials and alcohol. Why not give this Christian bit of goats it was as good as all these Christians say it is peace joy love fulfillment lasting happiness.

He wasn't fleeing from the wrath that was to come because I hadn't told him there was wrath to come. There was this glaring omission from my message. He wasn't broken in contrition because the poor guy didn't know what sin was.

Remember Romans 7 verse 7. Paul said I had not known sin. But by the law how can a man repent if he doesn't know what sin is. Any so-called repentance would be nearly what I call Horizontal repentance.

He's coming because he's lied to man. He's stolen from men. But when David sinned with Bathsheba and broke all ten of the ten commandments when he coveted this neighbor's wife lived a life sold. His neighbor's wife committed adultery committed murder dishonored his parents and thus dishonored God.

He didn't say I've sinned against man. Did against you and you only have I sinned and done this evil in your sight. When Joseph was tempted sexually he said how can? I do this thing and sin against God.

The prodigal son said I've sinned against heaven. Paul preached Repentance towards God and the Bible says godly sorrow works repentance. And when a man doesn't understand that his sin is primarily vertical.

He'll merely come and exercise superficial Experimental and horizontal repentance and fall away when tribulation temptation and persecution come. AB Earl Said I have found my long experience that the severest threatenings of the law of God have a prominent place in leading men to Christ.

Must see themselves lost before they will cry for mercy. They'll not escape danger until they see it. I'd like to do something a little unusual. I'll not embarrass you. I give you my word, but I would like to ask How many of you were thinking of something else when I was reading that quote from a be Earl now?

I want to admit something to you. I was thinking of something else when I was reading that quote from a be Earl. I was thinking nobody's listening to me. They're thinking of something else so to make a very important point.

I'd like to be really honest if you were thinking of something else and even got a clue what a be Earl said. Could you raise your head up nice and high? Nice and high. It's usually half to two-thirds, and we've got that here tonight.

Let's try again. God bless you pastor for your honesty. A be Earl was a famous evangelist of the last century who had a hundred and fifty thousand converts to substantiate his claims. Satan doesn't want you to get a grip of this so listen very closely.

Maybe Earl said I have found my long experience. That's the true test, but the severest threatenings of the law of God have a prominent place in leading men to Christ. They must see themselves lost before they will cry for mercy.

They'll not escape danger until they see it. You see you try and save a man from drowning when a man doesn't believe he's drowning. You'll not be too happy with you. You see him swimming out in the lake.

You think I think he's drowning. Yes I believe he is. You dive in pull him to the shore without telling him anything. He's not going to be very happy with you. You won't want to get saved until he sees these in danger.

I'm not escape danger until they see it. You see if you came to me and says hey Ray I said you you said this is a cure to grown-insence disease. I sold my house to raise the money to get this cure. I'm giving it to you as a free gift.

I'd probably react something like this what cure to what grown-insence disease. You sold your house to raise the money to get this cure. You're giving me as a free gift. Why. Thanks a lot. Bye. Guys are not.

I mean that's probably how I'd react if you sold your house to raise the money to get a cure for disease I've never heard of you're giving to me as a free gift. I think you're rather strange, but instead if you came to me and said Ray you've got grown-insence disease.

I can see ten clear symptoms on your flesh. You're going to be dead in two weeks, and I became convinced. I had the disease the symptoms are so evident and said oh. What should I do. And then you said don't worry?

This is a cure to grown-insence disease. Sold my house to raise the money to get this cure given to you as a free gift. I'm not going to despise your sacrifice. I'm going to appreciate it and I'm going to appropriate it.

Why. Because I've seen the disease that I might appreciate the cure and Sally what's happened in the US and the Western world has followed is that we have preached the cure without first convincing of the disease.

We have preached a gospel of grace without first convincing men of the Lord that transgresses and consequently almost everyone I try and witness to in Southern, California or around the Bible belt has been born again six or seven times.

So you need to give your life to Jesus Christ. I did that when I was 7 11 17 23 25 28 32. You know the guy's not a Christian. He's a fornicator. He's a blasphemer, but he thinks he's saved because he's been born again.

What's happening? He's using the grace of our God for an occasion of the flesh. He doesn't esteem the sacrifice for him. It's not a bad thing to trample the blood of Christ underfoot. Why. Because he's never been convinced of the disease that he might appreciate the cure.

Law to the Proud and Grace to the Humble

Biblical evangelism is always without exception. Law to the proud and grace to the humble. Never will you see Jesus giving the gospel the good news the cross the grace of our God to a proud arrogant Self-righteous person.

No no with the law he breaks the hard heart and with the gospel He heals the broken heart. Why. Because he always did those things that pleased the father. God resists a proud and gives grace the humble.

Everyone who is proud of heart scripture says is an abomination to the Lord. Jesus told us in the gospel as for he said the spirit of the Lord is upon me. Because he has anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor the broken-hearted the captives and the blind.

Now they are spiritual statements. The poor in spirit the broken heart of the contrite one the captives. Are those of whom Satan has taken captive to do his will. And the blind are those of whom the God of this world is Blinded at least the light of the gospel should shine of them.

Only the sick need a physician. And only those who were convinced of the disease would appreciate an appropriate cure. So we're going to now very briefly look at examples of Lord of the proud and grace to the humble Luke 10 24.

Luke 10 24. And when I give you a reference from the pulpit I'll give it twice. Because I know that men are present and men need to be told things twice. Men need to be told things twice. This can be backed up biblically when God speaks to men in the Bible.

He uses the name twice. Abraham Abraham Saul Moses Moses Samuel Samuel. Because men need to be told things twice. Women once. I don't know how many times I've sat in a pew. Preacher said our Luke 10 25.

I turn to my wife and say what do you say? She says Luke 10 25 of it. Thank you dear help. Mate, that's why God created women because men could not handle it on their own. The whole thing is men lose things women find things.

Where's the keys love hanging on your nose dear? I mean, I don't know how many times I open a cupboard. Yeah, there's no honey here, honey. She says here is here dear. Where would man be without women?

Hmm still in the Garden of Eden Eve? Found the tree. Adam didn't really know what was going on. In fact, if you look at the creation of woman to create woman. The Bible says God put man into a deep sleep and scripture doesn't say ever came out of it.

In Luke 10 25, we see a certain lawyer stood up and tend to Jesus. This is not an attorney, but a professing expert in God's law. Stood up and he said to Jesus how can I get everlasting life? Now? What did Jesus do?

He gave him law. Why? Because he was proud. Arrogant self-righteous here. We have a professing expert in God's law. Tempting the Son of God. The spirit of his question was and what do you think we've got to do to get everlasting life?

Jesus gave him law. He says what is written in the law? What is your reading of it? He says, uh, you shall love the Lord your God with your heart mind soul and strength. Love your neighbor as yourself and Jesus said this too, and you shall live.

Then the scripture says but he willing to justify himself said of Jesus Who's my neighbor. The Living Bible brings that more clearly the effect of the law on the man? And said the man wanted to justify his lack of love for some kinds of people.

So he asked which neighbor he didn't mind Jews, but he didn't like Samaritan. So Jesus then told him the story of what we call the good Samaritan it was not good at all and loving his neighbor as much as he loved himself.

He merely obeyed the basic requirements of God's law and the effect of the essence of the law the Spirituality of the law of what the law demands and truth was that that man's mouth was stopped. See, he didn't love his neighbor to that degree.

The law was given to stop every mouth and leave the whole world guilty before God. Similarly in Luke 18 verse 18 the rich young ruler came to Jesus did how can I get everlasting life? I mean, how would most of us react if someone came up and said how can I get everlasting life would say?

Oh quickly say this prayer before you change your mind. But what did Jesus do with this potential convert? He pointed him to the law. He gave him five Horizontal Commandments. Commandments to do with his fellow men and when he said I've kept those from my youth Jesus said one thing you lack and he used the essence of the first of the Ten Commandments.

I'm the Lord your God. You shall have no other gods before me to show this man that his God was his money and you cannot serve God and never Lord of the proud. Then we see grace being given to the humble in the case of Nicodemus.

Nicodemus was the leader of the Jews. He was a teacher in Israel. Therefore. He was thoroughly versed in God's law. He was humble of heart because he came to Jesus and acknowledged the deity of the Son of God a leader in Israel.

We know that you've come from God for no man can do these miracles that you do unless God is with him. So Jesus gave the sincere seeker of truth who had a humble heart and a knowledge then via the law.

The good news of the fine being paid for him for God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son. And it was not foolishness to Nicodemus, but the power of God the salvation. Similarly in a case of Nathanael.

Nathanael was an Israelite brought up under the law indeed. Not just in word and whom there was no guile. There was no deceit in his heart. Obviously the law was a schoolmaster to bring this godly to Christ similarly with the Jews on the day of Pentecost.

They were devout Jews. Godly Jews are therefore a drank and slept God's law. Matthew Henry the Bible commentators did the reason they were gathered together on the day of Pentecost was to celebrate the giving of God's law.

And Mount Sinai so when Peter stood up to preach to these godly Jews, he didn't preach wrath. No, the law works wrath. They knew that he didn't preach righteousness or judgment. No. He just told them the good news.

The fine being paid for them and they were pricked in their heart and cried men and brethren. What should we do? The law was a schoolmaster to bring them to Christ. They might be justified through faith in his blood as the hymn writer said by God's word at last my sin I learned then I trembled at the law.

I'd spurned till my guilty soul imploring turned to Calvary first. Timothy chapter 1 verse 8 says. But we know that the law is good if it is used lawfully for the purpose for which it was designed. God law is good if it's used lawfully for the purpose for which it was designed.

Well, what was the Lord designed for? Following verse tells us the law was not made for a righteous man, but for sinners. It even lists the sinners. Homosexuals fornicators. If you want to bring a homosexual to Christ don't get into an argument with him over his perversion.

He's ready for you as boxing gloves on. No. No, give him the ten commandments the law was made for homosexual. Show him that he is damned despite his perversion. You want to bring a Jew to Christ. Lay the weight of the law upon him?

Let it prepare his heart for grace as happened on the day of Pentecost. You ought to bring a Muslim to Christ. Give them the law of Moses. They accept Moses as a prophet. Well, give them the law of Moses and strip them of the self-righteousness and bring them to the foot of a blood-stained cross.

I heard of a Muslim reading a book held best kept secret and God soundly saved him purely through reading the book. Why. Because the law of the Lord is perfect converting the soul. Think of the woman caught in the act of adultery.

Violation of the seventh commandment. The law called for her blood. She found herself between a rock and a hard place. She had no avenue but to fling herself at the feet of the Son of God for mercy. And that is the function of God's law.

Paul spoke of being shut up under the law it condemns. You say you can't condemn sinner since they're already condemned. John 3 verse 17. He that believes not is condemned already. All the law does is show him himself in his true state ladies.

Biblical Witnessing Through Natural Conversation

You might recognize this book your table needs dusting in your living room. So you dust it clean all the dust is gone. Then you draw back the curtains and let in the early morning sunlight. What do you see on the table dust?

What do you see in the air? Dust. Did the light create the dust. Mm-hmm the light nearly exposed the dust. And when you and I take the time to draw back the Curtains of the Holy of Holies and the light of God's law shine upon the sinner's heart.

All that happens is that he sees himself in truth. The commandment is a lamp and the law is light. That's why Paul said by the law is the knowledge of sin. That's why he said by the commandment sin became exceedingly sinful.

In other words, the law showed him sin in its true light. Now normally at this stage of this teaching I guess with the ten commandments one by one. But what I'll do is share with you how I witness personally because I think we've been more beneficial.

Now I'm a strong believer in following the footsteps of Jesus. Never ever would I approach someone and say Jesus loves you totally unbiblical. There's no precedent for that in Scripture. Neither would I go up to someone and say I'd like to talk to you about Jesus Christ.

Why? Because if I want to awaken you from a deep sleep, I wouldn't use a flashlight in your eyes. That will offend you. I'd turn on a light dimmer very gently. First the natural. Then the spiritual. Why.

Because the natural man receives not the things of the Spirit of God neither can he know them their foolishness to him. Because they're spiritually understood. The precedent in Scripture is given in John 4 for personal witness.

We can see Jesus example with a woman at the well. He started in the natural realm. Swung to the spiritual or conviction using the seventh commandment and then revealed himself as the Messiah. So when I meet someone I'll talk about the weather.

I talk about sport. Let them feel a little bit of sanity get to know them. Maybe joke here and there and then deliberately swing from the natural to the spiritual and the way I do this. Is that I use gospel tracks.

According to millions and millions of tracks and our tracks are unusual if you get a hold of them. What you'll have to do is have a stack on you because people chase you and ask for more. Let me give an example.

This is our optical illusion track which looks bigger if you can see does the pink look bigger you see that for those listening by tape. They're the same size. It's an optical illusion. I say it's actually a gospel track.

Instructions are on the back. How do you say this? They say you can keep that he said hey. Thanks a lot, this is me. Whoa got another gift for you out of my pocket. I get a pressed penny with the ten commandments hot.

We have a machine that does this we buy the pennies new on the bank. Nice golden looking pennies and we feed them into this machine and it presses them. We'll do your thumbnail if you want to hold still but it presses them with the ten commandments.

It's legal to do this. This is considered art. It's not the facing of penny. So I say here's a gift. He says well, what is it? I said it's a penny with the ten commandments on did it with my teeth. To the eyes of my teeth, but the ease are really difficult.

And what I'm doing is I am putting out a feeler to see if he's open to spiritual things. If he says ten commandments, thanks a lot. He's not open. But the usual reaction is can't come on to say. Thanks.

Appreciate this. Yeah, I think you've kept the ten commandments. He's oh, yeah, pretty much. So let's go through them. Never told a lie. He's oh, yeah. Yeah wanted to so what does that make you? This is a sinner.