Next Week With Jeff Durbin: How to end it.

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All right guys welcome back to next week with Jeff Durbin. I'm Jeff Durbin they call me the ninja. That's Luke the bear right there

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What up? What's up? Joy the girl no, and that is Zach Conover He is the director of communications for end abortion now, and he has of course the biggest cup of all of us

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Yes, sir. It's a pride issue for you. You came on the show you decided you had to have a big hamburgers

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Oh Right on special, okay, all right, so no big it looks normal in my hands a lot of stuff been happening lately

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You recently got back from the island of Kauai doing a mission in Kauai. How was that? man,

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I mean where do you even begin a Kauai is such a unique place honestly people just don't realize what it's like to try and Engage people there what the culture is like how different it is how difficult it is so To be a part of the church plant there to go there to preach to offer support to the team and then just to come into conflict with a high concentration of a

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Lot of spiritual stuff going on right in that region, but all cult is in a cult

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All the cults are just in a highly concentrated area So it makes for interesting outreaches a lot of conflict you feel like you know

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The scriptures really come to life in a lot of ways that you haven't experienced before so yeah That was that was encouraging after the initial shock of coming into contact with that You know dark things going on there, but after you realize what's happening go back to the

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Word of God Find out that without conflict. I mean there's no growth, but there's there's a level of Confirmation within your calling as a

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Christian when you come up against that and you meet that and you're there with the Word of God And God supplies the power by his spirit to to work through you

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So that's what I feel like he did in a big big way for us, so yeah, we're very excited So we lost you we lost you for about three weeks to send you on that mission to do work

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And it's very very hard to do that mission out there very very hard is exhausting and so you're back now But lots been happening since you've been away

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Across the country with what we're doing with end abortion now the whole focus of next week with Jeff Durbin this show is obviously to engage cultural issues

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But the the bottom line and foundation of this show and the purpose of it is to really engage the issue of abortion

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In a meaningful way and to bring all of you with us right now. We have over about over 300 churches approximately 328 local churches 328 local churches

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This is January a lot yes, we've had a ginormous push yeah this year alone and obviously there's some things surrounding that events and Abortion now babies are murdered here kind of getting into the mainstream conversation with things from friends that have just taken bold stance

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And in getting it out there now. We're seeing a lot, and it's from all over. It's not from any one area

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I mean all over the United States more churches from Australia Awesome praise God moment while we're on Kauai I got a word that end abortion now and the message made it to South Africa and so South Africa, I mean all these different places outside of just our sphere saving there was yes

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There was two two children save children saved as a result of that and I have the same people emailing me today

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Say hey, what kind of equipment do you use out there right? You know help us with materials? What kind of microphone do you use you guys use cameras send us that we want to know other people emailing us stuff about?

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Hey, we want to begin the process of Capturing the footage out there. What what what material what equipment do you use and by the way now that you're on that subject?

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I want everyone to know right now a very important thing We know that it has to be more than apology a church engaged in this cultural conversation with the gospel has to be the

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Church of Jesus Christ Encompassing local churches across the world and so what we felt led to do is to equip churches and get them ready for this fight

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To do what we're doing both I'd say at the abortion mill in the cultural conversation at large in the public square online with media ministry developed by these churches themselves

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And to engage at the legislature itself so one of the things that we promise for this year that is underway right now is that we are developing a

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Curriculum that is gonna be made available to all of our churches that are connected to us to actually help you to develop and create your

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Own media ministry just like apology a church. This isn't about us We are one we are one spoke in the wheel and we are trying to get more spokes involved and turn that wheel

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But it's interesting so we're gonna have we're gonna do that and make sure that's available to all the churches So you go to end abortion now calm get connected with your church.

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I wanted to say this quickly We're not talking about 328 Christians across the country right we're talking about 328 local churches who are committed now to go and save lives and to follow under the banner of the gospel and conflict with abortion the

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Gospel not pro -life narrative not neutrality, but the Christian message in conflict with abortion.

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That's what this is all about But what is awesome too is it wasn't just South Africa We also get a message from Northern Ireland that people who are connected to end abortion now had to save in Northern Ireland Yeah, Southern Ireland, and then

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I just got a message before the show started from a Christian in Australia who now his church is engaged in this and he messaged me say hey

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Can you do a quick video to talk to my church? I'm gonna present it to my whole church on Sunday So this is literally becoming a worldwide movement of the gospel and conflict with abortion so you can do that right now that's what we're here to talk about today and Some more stuff, but let's go ahead and do some some other things and current events stuff.

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What's up? Well, this is directly related to abortion. So this is a story. I just saw today

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So the the Democrat or Democratic led states are going to sue

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Donald Trump For blocking funds to Planned Parenthood. I don't if you guys saw that that's so Washington, Oregon Connecticut, New York and California, so You know, whatever they're ridiculous, but you know you're going after their sacred, right?

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Yeah, exactly So there but there was specifically one quote. I wanted to to share That was crazy to me so this was

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From Amanda Skinner, who's the president of Planned Parenthood of southern New England.

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It's quite the title So she said we have seen Repeated efforts on the part of the of this administration to dismantle programs or put into place programs that harm people

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Who are who are already the most? marginalized in our society So After answering that question, she then returned to work

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Dismantling and harming the most marginalized people in our society. Yeah, right, right So that's

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I mean, that's what we're up against. I just when I just saw it today. I was like, that's crazy So it's interesting. We're in the middle of a very

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It's a hot moment Hotter than you normal in terms of abortion in our country and like the conflict that is is going on To save the pre -born it with what happened in New York Yep, and governor

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Cuomo saying no you can kill him all the way up to birth now Of course, we would say to those pro -lifers that are saying.

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Oh my goodness. How dare you? What are you thinking? We would say well, what's the difference friends between 40 and the 25 or 20 and everything?

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We're talking about human beings here. So why are you so up in arms? This is just consistency We should already be horrified.

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We should already be horrified Yeah, and be just as upset like we should have been the whole time, but I'm grateful, but I'm great that your eyes

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Are now shocked. Yes. My hope is that God's using this. Yeah next level of judgment.

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Yes, too you know to light a fire under the Church in our culture to actually be outraged because like you said we as a whole haven't been that well

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It's it's really interesting to it's The the people can say how horrible

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New York is and it is it's evil How dare they do such a thing and it exposes that this is what they were going for all along they were never neutral But in terms of God and his providence even in the midst of evil

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God causes all things to work together for good and Just in us and what's happening with us when that all happened with Governor Cuomo and everything happening with John Speed closing a store in New York City and all the hubbub around That going around the country and all the major talk shows talking about that We saw a

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Massive push at end abortion now of local churches signing up over 50 Yeah, probably signed up as it was since since New York or about 50.

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Yeah, I think within I mean there was a time when I was just you know Checking emails in Kauai going through that and I realized

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I said I asked myself the question Well, how many churches have we had in the last week? And I just checked to see how many it was about 15 within the span of one week and so Just an unbelievable like gravitational shift and these are excited people right these are these are these are local churches

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Pastors if not pastors those under the care of their shepherds really desiring to have a gospel centered answer to this great

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Evil of our day. Yeah, so for us to be able to supply that to them is Just humbling in so many ways

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That we have been used by God and his grace as a conduit now to plug in people to resources training

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Gospel centered mindset to do this, you know, you mentioned, New York You mentioned the horror of what the

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Democratic Party has done and really it reveals that this was their plan all along this was their mindset all along and But on the other side of the coin it becomes incumbent upon us as Christians to maintain the level of consistency

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Towards the other side of the aisle the party that needs to be defined by the very values that they proclaim to have

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Which is the Christian Conservative Party the Republican Party, right? so While their proclamation may be

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Christian conservative with what they're saying being consistent in pro -life action is another thing altogether and so That only happens if you have the biblical world at your feet informing your mindset of this because life beginning at conception

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Image of God all that exists because of the Christian worldview and so it's up to us to be outraged completely at that Astounding evil decree that you can kill a baby up to term, right?

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That's astoundingly evil but we have to be as Hard if not more hard on the party that has been silent in the face of this injustice and has not acted

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Consistently to bring it to an end So with that we talk about the issue of like, Oklahoma. I just go back from,

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Oklahoma There's a bill SB 13, Oklahoma put in by Senator Joseph Silk who is it's where it's it's an abolition bill

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It's a bill to abolish to end to criminalize done once and for all Consistency no abortion period you cannot do it.

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That's the human being that's the image of God You cannot murder a human being you cannot take the life unjustly of another human being so it's a consistent bill

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SB 13 And the interesting thing is is that in Oklahoma there are it's a it's a big -time pro -life

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Legislature and state and and the greatest enemy the greatest enemy to SB 13 in Oklahoma right now is not the pro -choicers right the greatest enemy to SB 13 in Oklahoma is

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Senator Smalley and Men like him who actually are Tony Lowinger the vice president of national right to life who are working against This bill that would criminalize abortion

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They're saying no you don't pass that and they want to work towards more incremental incremental legislation And they want to say let's try to get

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Roe v. Wade to fall Which is a perverse way of looking at the law in the first place not how our country works

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We our country our founding documents say that it's Congress that creates law not the Supreme Court and so what we've done is we've yielded to this really a perverse view of law perspective of law that isn't consistent with the

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Constitution and and that's what they're saying is that we can't have SB 13 Because the Supreme Court's we're fearful of these

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Supreme Court judges Yeah, and I and I hope people hear that and they're genuinely shocked that it's the pro -life party

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That's inhibiting this from going through. I hope when people hear that it genuinely shocks you because then

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We begin to wake up and see where the true Compromise has been in this and what has kept abortion legal for the last 46 years

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Obviously, we know that those who hate God love death are gonna push their agenda we understand that but To the side that is left with Defending the pre -born and that ought to be doing something about it to hear that they're sexually standing against the very thing that would stop

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It in that state. Yeah, that should jar us to the core and Indicate in our minds that something's wrong something's wrong about how we've approached this issue how we fought it consistently as Christians and what are we doing and We need to do something different fast.

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Yeah, I was gonna say that really if you consider like So consider that the reason we're so horrified

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That a baby can be killed full -term now is that in our minds always we've had things like 16 weeks

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Heartbeat bill this and this blah blah blah. So the point is babies have been dying the whole time

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But the reason why it's shocking us now is because Pro lifers have been putting legislation in that actually protects

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The killing of babies up until a certain point It's just that now that legislation is didn't work in New York And so like the only reason any part of you would think well

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Maybe it's okay to kill a baby after they're this many weeks is Because someone came in and said well, let's fight for this many weeks at least right, but the whole time

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Babies have been dying. Yeah, so in a weird way like we're shocked

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Because of the pro -life party And those kinds of things affirm the legitimacy of row when you define it like that Which is the problem all together because as you said, it's not it's it's it's an immoral

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Court opinion it's not a law. And so when you define This debate on the terms of the enemy you're giving credence to the fact that a group of men or women five men or women to be

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Specific can dictate what morality is and can redefine the very nature and fabric of what it means to be human, right?

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and so yeah, we're not being ruled as as communities or states or Republic or even a

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Constitution or being actually ultimate the ultimate voice of the God of our system today is five men or women in the

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Supreme Court Right, and it's an endless voice of God It's an endless hamster wheel because who can get the most votes to get the most

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Butts in the seats in order to dictate the consensus of the people, right? That's an endless fight.

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I don't want to fight anymore Right. I don't want to be a part of because it's not it's not just the issue of abortion, right?

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What did we just deal with a couple of years ago and now we're feeling all the effects of now

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We dealt with the Obergefell What happened there is another defining moment is that our country has now gone

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Into the position where we say that the ultimate voice of the God of our system is this

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Supreme Court these black robes these five Judges male or female that's the voice of the

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God of our system. It's not the people. It's not a Republic It's not a constitution anymore.

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It's not even democracy it's the voice of the God is the black robes at the

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Supreme Court and If we can finally come to terms with that and face that as a reality that that's what we are now is the voice of the

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God of the system is the five black robes in Washington DC, then we can actually start to resist in a very

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Consistent way and that starts with the kind of thing we're talking about when we talk about interposition Yeah, so like what we argue in terms of how we have to fight this is we have to fight as a

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Christians Christians Christians Christians not neutral Christians from a Christian worldview saying things like sin murder repentance telling the truth, right?

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And then we say there has to be something called interposition Which is by the way what our country was supposed to be about like we used to be called a

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Republic We were a Republic and it wasn't a democracy.

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It was a Republic. There is a difference and The reason we were a Republic is it was the states that created the federal government

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It wasn't the federal government that made the states, right? They didn't get by decree say I now give you existence

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You are the state of Virginia like this states and the car the colonies right states. They created let's this is our thing

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That's what they were saying Like let's all this would be our thing and we'll have this this way that we can all manage this thing with this federal government

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But they never were saying and now we bow to you They were always always in a place where they would say we will interpose

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Between you if you get beastly and our people we will always interpose

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Whether it was like say for example, the Fugitive Slave Act when you had fugitive slaves fantastic talk with Marcus Pittman Council very powerful and that's one of the most important elements to bring up in this is when you talk about things like that There's more than just that but something like the

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Fugitive Slave Act is a fantastic example That our culture has to resonate has to resonate with us when you talk about slaves escaping and a federal court saying

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No, you have to give them back. Yeah, and then a state saying How about hashtag hell?

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No. Yeah Like yeah, like like that like that kind of interposition is there's no way that's gonna happen

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Why because what you just told me to do was unjust wicked and sinful and so no

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And and we all have gone and we go Look at that state being so just and so amazing put you right on you had somebody that can like was in the right state of mind and then today the only way that states are willing to do that kind of thing is when you have states going

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Well, they should be able to smoke up, right? Yeah, I mean we should let him smoke up Yeah, like and so we go well

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We'll definitely let you guys smoke up and we won't listen to what they say about Smoking up or like New York where they said well, we're gonna kill babies up to full term, right?

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Same thing, but I was gonna say we're in regards to the market that talk Marcus gave I don't know if he told you this someone else that was with him was

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I think you were there he was he was talking to one of the councilmen or whatever and the guy

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I think the guy said that he his his job is to Protect or to represent everyone equally

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Yeah, and the guy was like no. No, that's not what that's not at all Your job is to represent the majority

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But that's where it's it gets into this, you know whole discussion of social justice and everything

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We've been talking about like, you know, you're not you're not representing equally. Mm -hmm, you know, you were representing the majority and You know even in Anymore, it's more like they're representing the minority who's got the loudest voice.

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Mm -hmm, right, right? And I love what they were demanding in that meeting that yeah, Batavia become a sanctuary city for the pre -born

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Just like the Fugitive Slave Act This is a safe place where you can come have refuge and we're not going to follow

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The federal court into their rebellion against God. We're not going to follow them into disobedience to our rule of law

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So why can't we adopt that same principle for the pre -born? I thought it was a brilliant point to make and This has really become part and parcel to the message of end abortion now this year is engaging legislature

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Which is why we're going why because here's the thing you might have a lot of people saying man across the country now and abortion now apology a church

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Started going to the legislature and we were filming it and then putting the word out and it started to inspire other

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Christians to go and you're starting to see people now going to their legislature and saying things like repent Uphold justice image of God sin

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Jesus died for sinners and rose again for a dead believe in Jesus It's in you have my people walk up to the legislature preach the gospel and say and stop murdering babies do your duty as Magistrates and uphold it and uphold it because they're the image of God Yeah, and and you're having

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Christians across the country now all over I'm seeing videos like on a daily basis now some new

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Christian that went before the legislature to do that So I would ask you Zach. Why are we doing that? Why are we taking the message of the

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Christian gospel and the biblical worldview to the legislature? Isn't that supposed to be stuff that's for heaven one day like why are we doing that here?

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What's going on? And I said that in one of my City Council talks I when I said I realize Honorable representatives that it might seem strange to you to see a

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Christian standing on his principles in this kind of format I admit it might seem foreign to you because we've all been told that There's a supposed separation of church and state that we all have to abide by and what

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I have to say makes no nevermind If I come here quoting scripture to you, that was one of the things I brought up in my talk

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But the reason we do what we do first and foremost is Government every realm of authority for that matter

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Must obey Christ you must submit to his sovereign lordship who?

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The Word of God itself where Psalm 2 is a great example I mean if we could just camp out on that one verse right there

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Yes, but I mean Revelation Jesus is the ruler of the kings on earth. So he has all authority over them

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They must obey him but Psalm chapter 2 is obviously the premier text that we would go to to say, you know

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Why do the nation's rage in the people's plot in vain the kings of the earth and the ruler set themselves against the Lord and against? His anointed saying let us burst their bonds and cast away their cords from us.

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That's what's happening right now in our nation Yeah, I have yes a squad of leaders who think that they are above the very word and law of God Yeah to determine in their own eyes

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What is right and what is wrong and the message of Psalm chapter 2 is God has installed his king on Zion on his holy hill

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And he has given that son the obedience of the nations all the nations have to obey

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Jesus And then there's a warning at the end of that that says now Kings be wise Kiss the son pay allegiance to him pay homage to him.

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Well, why would they do that? He's their boss. He gets to tell them what to do with their authority

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Because the authority that they have is derivative of him it is not exercised independently of his rulership his lordship

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He gives it to them and they are ruling in the place of him Which means if they rule in a contradictory fashion to the way that he is prescribed they're in sin

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Mm -hmm and if they're in sin It's our job as the prophetic voice and witness to call them to repent and to obey and to establish justice

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For these image bearers of God Romans 13 says the summit to your authorities Right Romans 13 says to submit to your authorities and we do and you can see that obviously in the talks that we give we come

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Very humbly we come very respectfully of their authority. We say honorable representatives. We honor your position We believe it's ordained by God But again, it's not my responsibility

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If you are enacting decrees that are in opposition or at variance with the law of God to follow you into that rebellion

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Yeah, so it calls them there is Eakins. That's right. So the The magistrates are to exercise the authority of God That's what the office of King and in governance in the nation of Israel For example was about that those people that were put in positions of authority by God were exercising the authority and office of God They were representing him and in any way when they acted in a way that was contrary to that They were called by the prophets to come back to the rule of law

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Which was the a law word of God and so in Romans 13 same example, they are

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God's deacon. They are His servants, they're his deacon not anybody not any other

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God's servant, right? They're not the the servants of Demas, right they're the servants of Jesu Christo he is curious.

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He's Lord and so they must obey him And so that's why we go and we tell them and so it's it's really a bottom an issue of Christ's authority

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Does he have all authority even over the legislature and if our nation believes that it's appropriate to kill your children?

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If our nation believes that it's a it's appropriate to look at a man and say she

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Or to look at a woman and say he if our nation gets to the point where we say Mommy and mommy is a couple and that's fine

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And that's a marriage or daddy and daddy is a couple and that's fine or mommy and daddy and mommy and mommy and mommy

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That's fine. Just that's just as valid and what is at issue here is not it's not just a it's not just a conflict between Democratic ideals and Republican ideals and liberalism versus conservatism or talking about as a problem of sin and fallenness

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That has infected the culture and there's darkness around and Jesus only gives that duty in terms of actual preservation and dispelling darkness

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To one institution in the entire Bible and he doesn't give it to the magistrates, right?

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Yeah he gives it to the church to be the salt which is the preservative agent to stop things from decay and he gives the church the

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Duty to be the light to the culture, right? And and that's I mean, it's it's it's like you don't have to go far

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Into your Bible to figure this stuff out You don't have to be like a biblical scholar Like if you just want to read the

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New Testament you get five Chapters into the the book of Matthew Yeah and you're gonna see

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Jesus in the most famous sermon in the history of the world saying what I just said that we're the salt and We're the light and he talks to his people about God's law

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And he says if you teach people to minimize even the least of these commandments You're gonna be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them is gonna be called great.

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So That's what we're supposed to be about in our culture. What do you think? it is like honestly like I know we say sin it's sin it's innocent but like what what do you think it is that's keeping the

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Evangelical church at large from actually engaging this issue in a meaningful way

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Like what do you think it is? We can't just say generally it's sin. We're all just sinners. Like what is it? What's what is it?

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Is it cowardice? Is it fear? Is it I is it just idolatry? Is it selfishness?

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Is it is it a pride like what do you think? What do you think is the great resistor right now that we have to confront on ourselves as the church?

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I think it's bad eschatology Okay, what do you mean? So, you know, we talked about this a lot but you know and instead of thinking long -term and being hopeful and optimistic about about the future and about Christ's kingdom here on earth

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You know the church Since the early 1900s, maybe even back in the mid 1800s has been preoccupied with the rapture

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And so instead of instead of engaging the culture We've we've we've retreated to it within the four walls of the church right and taking the gospel with us and we've sat around and waited for the rapture and You know and let the culture go to hell because we we haven't cared

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No No that doesn't mean that the Christians and the church haven't been concerned about people coming to Christ and you know, but it's it's a it's

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Still a different perspective when you're when you're thinking long -term and you're being proactive

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Instead of retreating and being overly pietistic and hiding in our little bunkers.

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You're really on to something there I think amen to that bad eschatology bad view of the future, but that stems from a bad view of the kingdom

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Yeah first I think it's an aspect of a truncation of the gospel seeing it reduced to merely a message that gets people into heaven one day and it's about Being justified by faith, which is at the core of the gospel but if you don't have

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The reign of Christ if you don't have what it means to be an image bearer of God at the bottom of all that What does

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Christ save us from he saves us from our sin, but what does he restore us to we're redeemed to something?

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We're redeemed to hold a particular office and that office is being his image bearer in the world which means to obey him and to Promote what he promotes to be his echo in the world to be his ambassador in the world and Jesus you see this in his ministry

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He was absolutely consumed For doing the will of the Father why because he's the perfect image of God Oh, and so that is the office that he maintains and that's the example that he leaves

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On the earth to give us and so you take an issue like abortion, right? Yeah, God is the only one in the scriptures with the prerogative to put his image in the world that's why he condemns the construction of false images as Idolatry and God has already spoken on this matter and put his image in the world.

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It's you and me and so we are Him his way

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And we're to be faithful and to obedient as him as his ambassadors in this world and any construction of a false

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God A false image is idolatry because we're the image of God and he jealously guards over his image

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He jealously guards over his image and that's why we jealously guard these pre -born children So we need to guard these babies

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Because they're the image of God because God Jealously guards over his image because people might say why are you so hung up on this issue?

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Why are you so all about ending abortion and criminalizing this? Well, I would say because it's a fundamental attack not just on the familial character and nature of God in the triune community

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But it's also an attack on his very plan of salvation because Jesus Christ Restores us to the true image of God into our true office and sinful fallen man that hates

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God cannot have that They could they would they want to image an idol and they want to worship themselves and be a false

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God or worship a false God, but there's only one God and so what Jesus does is he gives us back our humanity

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By saving us and by calling us to be on mission for him and to go about doing the kinds of things that we do

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So the answer to the question, why does the church? Struggle with this so much cowardice apathy all those things are true but they stem from a lack of understanding a lack of being gripped by this reality of the kingdom of God and what it means to be on mission as his ambassador as his image bearer because As we're told in Scripture for those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son

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Right. Jesus is the image of the invisible God as we have borne the image of the man of dust we shall also also bear the image of the heavenly man, right and so many so many passages just in the

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New Testament alone about us being restored to the true image bearers of God and what that means and so Truncation of the gospel lack of the understanding of the gospel the kingdom and our office because if it just becomes about chilling out waiting for Heaven, then we would never do anything like this, right?

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most people consider The king like if they were to consider what the kingdom of God is they would think of themselves sitting in a room with God Or like with Jesus in their pocket like this is an independent individual

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Relationship that we have and they wouldn't think of it as a kingdom at all I mean at least not in what that actually means

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I mean what a lot of people it's very Regrettable and I'm sure some people would say

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I'm not giving Enough benefit of the doubt and some would say that I'm giving too much but a lot of it is really really poor discipleship

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Most people aren't taught that their relationship or the transforming power That that happens there is anything more than something that just happens between you and then what you should do is you should invite?

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People who haven't had that experience Into your life and be nice to them until they have it.

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Yeah, and that's not that's not anything We see anywhere and it certainly when there's actually something that comes up when lives are at stake like That's not a bill.

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It's not biblical. So when you go to that when that is your theology You don't have anywhere to go like if you're trying to to save someone or a life or if you're trying to Empower someone or encourage someone to kill their sin.

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It's like if it's just me and you and I've given up the Bible Where can

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I go? And so a lot of people I feel like a lot of Christians are left very it's like they're disarmed yeah, like they were told that they were brought up and They were equipped with like some ability to To you know, like with with this identity and then ultimately they're just sitting in a room with this pocket

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Jesus that is very helpful and pragmatic and encouraging but But doesn't really give them anything to apply anywhere and then they just think that's what it is

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That's what the message has been all along, right? You know and there's no Jesus gives his followers the authority to plunder

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Satan's kingdom That's what he's given them and by extension us and this world is no longer in the grasp of a defeated vanquished foe

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That's the point of the gospel is that Jesus made a public open spectacle of Satan on the cross He's defeated now.

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And so The Son of God appeared to destroy the works of the devil That's what

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John tells us and so we need to be about destroying the works of the devil are defeated and vanquished foe

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Because he's defeated and so now we come and we plunder his spoils and we take everything that he has stolen from us back

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And we do it to the glory of God. That's right. Have you been listening to Joe boot by chance? He's always in my ears

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Alright, so let's get let's wrap it up here for next week. This is a huge huge blessing Hey, click all the buttons and like all this stuff and make the comments and send this out across the world and just with that I want to encourage you to really think through this the what

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God has done through a single ministry like ours has been Transformative to all the way to South Africa and Ireland and Australia and Canada across the

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United States saved literally Thousands and thousands and thousands of lives that is happening on a regular basis through this little old ministry of apology at church

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We're not a large church and God has done significant things through this church But you should know that the platforms that you're watching this on right now are making it more and more

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I love your ministry Well, you can be a part of this ministry legitimately side -by -side with us.

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This isn't about us It's about the message of Christ that we're talking about and you can be a part of that by sending it out across the world

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And again, it's not for our fame. It is for the fame of Jesus Absolutely. So tell everybody how they can get connected with end abortion now

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And so you'd be partnered up with us obviously, we're gonna do the media training so that you can get that going with your own local church, but Also, if you need to reach me

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Zach at end abortion now comm it's how you get in touch with me. Perfect All right, Zach Conover director communications for end abortion now joy the girl.

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I almost said joy Tembe Stop myself joy hunter. That's joy the girl Luke the bear and I'm Jeff.