Our Birthright as Believers — Zac Poonen

Preparing the Heart to Receive God's Word

Before I share what is on my heart this morning, I want to point out a verse in Colossians chapter 3, which is a verse that we should always bear in mind because it keeps our heart in a right attitude to receive the word of God.

And it's not something that we always think of when we come together for a time of praise and thanksgiving. We are mostly thinking of what the Lord, of the Lord himself and our attention is directed to Jesus.

But here it says in Colossians 3 and verse 12, just like the verse we read this morning, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion. It's something you have to put on.

It doesn't come automatically. It's like you put on your clothes this morning. You put on a heart of compassion. If you don't put it on, you're naked. Put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience, bearing with one another, forgiving each other.

And that begins at home with our husbands and wives and then with others in the body of Christ. I hope you've come with that spirit this morning, bearing with one another and forgiving each other. Whoever has a complaint against anyone, just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

And beyond all these things, put on love, which is again something to put on, which is the perfect bond of unity. And let the peace of Christ rule in your hearts to which indeed you were called in one body.

Finally, and this is the part I want to emphasize, be thankful for one another. The test of whether you have fulfilled verses 12 to 15, which is all in relation to one another. I mean, you don't have to think of the worldwide body of Christ, that's too big.

Just think of the brothers and sisters here in this church whom you know. And if you have fulfilled all these verses in verses 12 to 15 in relation to the brothers and sisters you know in this church this morning, the proof of it will be, you will be thankful for them and not just critical.

Be thankful, be thankful for your wife this morning, be thankful for your husband. Be thankful for your children, be thankful for the elders in this church, be thankful for the brothers and sisters in this church.

And when we have that attitude of heart, if you come like that every time, you will receive a lot more in your heart from the Lord as He speaks to you. And if it's a prophetic word, if it is, it will prepare you for what you're going to face this week or in the days to come.

And it all depends on whether your heart is, you know, like ground is to be plowed up. If you sow the seed on concrete, maybe good seed, but nothing grows, but you sow that same seed on plowed up ground and a little later, a plant comes up, what's the difference?

It's the ground, not the seed. It's the same way we can hear something this morning and it can produce nothing in our lives or something we are instructed in our mind, it doesn't change our life. But if we come with this thankful spirit, not just thankful to the Lord, it says you're called in one body and be thankful for each other.

As you look around, you'll see so many faults in everyone. And if you look into your own heart, you'll see faults there too. That's why we are to be compassionate and forgive one another and be patient and be thankful.

I mentioned this, I mean, I don't know why I've been prompted to mention this, but maybe it is for somebody here who needs to hear that word this morning, because the Lord loves you and He wants you to have a good heart.

That's why He gives you that word this morning, so that you can receive what the Lord has for you, so that you don't lose, so that your heart is not hard like concrete, so that the seed can go in. And thankfulness for one another is a part of what plows up the ground in our hearts to hear what the Lord has to say.

Growing Beyond Spiritual Infancy

Okay, now what I have on my heart this morning is in Hebrews chapter 6. You know, the Hebrews were people whom whoever wrote this letter and whoever it was addressed to, those believers were babies. They were not growing up, even though they had heard the word of God for so many years.

The writer tells them in Hebrews 5 .12, by this time, you should have been teachers. And I want to say this very lovingly, my brothers and sisters, to all of you, to most of you who've been here for many, many years.

The time has come where many of you should have been teachers. I don't mean teachers sitting up here or standing up here and teaching God's word, but knowing enough to be able to teach someone around you who's younger than you, whatever you know.

Like a second standard student can teach, can be a teacher to the first standard student and the kindergarten students. You don't have to get a PhD to teach the kindergarten. So all of us must be eager to say, Lord, what you have taught me, I want to share with others.

Many of us are very generous to help those who are poor with money, which is a good thing. At least some of us are. But more than that, many of us may not have money to give to others, but we've got something more precious.

And that is, God has given you something of his word. And you say, Lord, give me an opportunity to not sit on somebody's head and be a preacher to them that they get fed up of me. But in a loving way, in the same way as you would help a poor brother financially, in that same spirit of generosity and goodness, to be able to share God's word with somebody whom God sends across your path.

Don't just sit back and say, I don't know anything. You know a lot. You've sat here for so many years. The time has come when you should have been teachers. But unfortunately, he says, you need to hear once again the elementary principles of the oracles of God.

And you have come to need milk and not solid food. So we need to grow beyond milk. And the reason why some people are only drinking milk, the mark of those who are drinking only milk is they're not accustomed, they're not happy with the word of righteousness.

They get offended if they hear a strong word on righteousness and uprightness and being holy and walking as Jesus walked and they say, oh, that's too high a standard. We don't want all that. Then you remain a baby.

They don't want the word of righteousness. And then they are babies. Solid food is for the mature. So now we go to chapter six. So he says, let us leave the elementary teaching about Christ. There is an elementary teaching about Christ, which is like we could say kindergarten.

You know, when children go to the first standard of kindergarten, they learn the ABC. They learn to read few elementary words. They learn a little bit about addition. I think so. Not sure exactly what they teach in kindergarten.

It was long ago that I was there. But it's like that. The elementary teaching about Christ is there is that elementary teaching and then there is the teaching that helps us to press on to maturity. So it says we must be finished with this elementary teaching.

And the elementary teaching is repentance. Repentance from dead works. Repentance from dead works means thinking that by our works we can be accepted. Repentance from sin is one thing. Repentance from dead works is another.

You know, the phrase dead works is never found in the Old Testament. It's a New Testament word. Repentance from sin, plenty of it in the Old Testament. All the prophets preached it. And that's certainly where we begin.

But then there's another repentance and that is turning away from dead works. Thinking that we can make ourselves acceptable to God by our works. Not recognizing that even our righteous deeds are like filthy rags.

Isaiah 64 verse 6 are like filthy rags. That means when I have done something good and I say, Lord, here's what I did. Maybe you did some act of kindness to somebody or you help someone or you give some money to someone.

You say, Lord, do you see this? It's like holding up a dirty rag before God. I don't know whether you've seen it like that. Repentance, Lord, I don't want to do all that. I want to repent from thinking that my works will make something I can present to you.

I repent from dead works. You know, Christianity is the only religion in the world that says, God does not accept you on the basis of your works. Every religion in the world says, you got to do some good works for God to accept you.

You got to give money to the poor. I'm not saying God ignores that. Cornelius was an ignorant heathen and he gave money to the poor and the angel came and said, God has seen it. God has seen that you gave money to the poor.

I'm not saying he doesn't see it. I'm not saying he doesn't appreciate it. But the angel could have gone on to say, Cornelius, I just want to say that on the basis of that, you can't be accepted by God.

Sorry. He appreciates your giving money to the poor. He appreciates your helping others, but that's not the basis of acceptance. So Christianity is the only religion which says, any amount of good works you may do, you can't be accepted.

Every other religion, people are striving to be accepted by God by, you know, crazy things like rolling on the ground or going on pilgrimage and putting money in some offering box or giving money to the poor or doing all types of things like that.

Hoping that you'll be accepted. And here Jesus and the apostles come along and say, you can do that all your life and you won't be accepted. You have to receive forgiveness and your acceptance by God as a free gift.

Receiving Grace as a Free Gift

Now there's something humiliating about receiving a gift. And I mean, there's a certain dignity that we have, that we don't like people to feel we are down and out and they come and say, okay, here, you're a gift.

And there's something humiliating about it. It makes me feel as if I'm a sort of a helpless beggar and this rich man is coming and helping me and many people shun away from that and say, I don't want it.

I can take care of myself. It is humiliating to receive a gift. And that's why many people don't accept it. They don't accept a free gift from God. They say, I've got to do something to be accepted. And we've got to get rid of that heathen mentality that we've all inherited, false religion.

See, a part of what we have inherited from Adam is a false religion from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. What Adam, God was, I can do something, avoid the evil and do the good and God will accept me.

That's from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. No, he won't. But that is in our system and I've got to get rid of it. That is repentance from dead works. Lord, even if I live the best life any human being can live, I can't be accepted.

I cannot present that to you. Like we sing in that song, Nothing in my hands I bring, Simply to thy cross I cling. We have to always come like that. That's the way we get God's best. And I tell you, it's very humiliating.

It's very humiliating to all your life come before God and say, Lord, I'm just a nobody. And even if I walked with you for 50 years, I'm a nobody, really. And I really have nothing to offer you. I've come here to receive from you freely.

And even what I give you is what you've given me. It's like children, little 6 year old comes to daddy and says, Daddy, can you give me some money? And daddy says, why do you want it? He says, I want to buy you a birthday gift.

To buy a birthday gift for your daddy, you have to ask your daddy for money, right? That's how a little child is. But when we are grown up and smart and earning ourselves, we don't have to ask daddy for anything.

I get something myself. We've got to be like little children. There's something about that. Only Christianity says that God will accept you as you come as little children. So I want to encourage all of you, my brothers and sisters, learn to become like a little child when you come to God.

And you'll have tremendous acceptance before God all the time. I want to be like that all my life. I don't care how old I am. I know the kingdom of heaven is like little children. And only one who accepts it like a little child is the greatest in God's kingdom.

And if we are really growing, that's the way we should be growing. So that's the repentance from dead works. That's why, you know, I was speaking at the New Year meeting that we've got to forget the things that are behind and live each day as if I've done nothing for the Lord till now.

Imagine that. Living today as if I've done nothing for the Lord. I look back on my life and I say, Boy, I've done nothing for Jesus for all that he did for me. I've got to do something. I come with empty hands because I've repented from all dead works.

I've got nothing to present to God except that Jesus died for me. And that is how every godly man feels. I remember John Wesley, one of the godliest men that Christianity has ever seen, who lived 200 years ago and started the Methodist Church.

He preached holiness, he lived purity, he preached purity and lived a very godly life. And he said, when I come to the end of my life and I stand before the Lord, what shall I say? I shall say to the Lord in the final day, I am damned, but Jesus died for me.

You recognize that? That's the way I want to always live. I am damned, but Jesus died for me. See, when you come like that, it will be very difficult for you to look down on other believers. It will be very difficult for you to consider yourself superior and the others as inferior, because they are damned just like you are damned.

And Jesus died for that person, he is accepted. And Jesus died for me and I am accepted. So, it's very important, this repentance from dead works. We think we have repented, but maybe we have repented only from sin, but not from dead works.

Please keep this in mind always, brothers. And faith toward God, that's the other. These are all kindergarten lessons, really. Faith toward God and that's another thing which we need to have, which is not faith in ourselves or faith in other people.

It's something that has to develop. It's like a little seed that grows into a plant and must become a tree, where more and more, I am not depending on myself or on other people to help me. My first thing is I turn to the Lord and say, Lord, I trust you.

And if I am in a difficult situation and some other people help me, oh, that's fine, I am thankful, but I am not depending on them. Because when you get into some difficulty, and if you are always looking for some human being to help you, you will never grow.

God allows those difficult situations, so that we learn to trust him more. I will come to that in a moment. Of instruction about baptisms, that word there is baptisms, it's translated as washings. Baptisms means baptism in water, and baptism or immersion in water and immersion in the Holy Spirit.

And laying on of hands, laying on of hands refers primarily to spiritual gifts. That's how Paul tells Timothy, you received a gift through the laying on of hands. We don't know much about it in the New Testament, but the little that is mentioned seems to refer to spiritual gifts, which teaches us one thing, that don't despise spiritual gifts.

That's all. Don't make too much of it, like some people do. And don't despise it. Say, we don't need it. We do need it if we want to serve God. Because we can't serve God without his equipping us. And the clearest example of it, I'm talking about service now, the clearest example of it is Jesus himself.

That even though he lived a holy life for 30 years, he did not dare, he did not dare to go into the ministry without praying to be anointed with the Holy Spirit. It says in Luke chapter 3 that as he went into the waters of baptism, he was praying.

I know what he was praying for. Because every prayer of Jesus was answered immediately. So I know what he was praying for, because when he came up out of the water, the Holy Spirit came upon him. So what was he praying for?

He was praying to be anointed with the Holy Spirit. He was saying, Father, I've lived for you all these years, but now I'm going to serve you in full-time ministry. What do I need? I'm not thinking where my monthly support will come from.

I've been a carpenter all these years. I'm not thinking who will support me, that you'll take care of. I'm thinking I need the anointing of the Holy Spirit. Father, give me the gifts that I need to serve you.

And boy, did he receive an anointing. From that moment, he could go out and preach mightily, and cast out demons, and heal the sick, and all types of things in his ministry. Don't despise the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Whichever way God gives it to you. It's not necessarily always with a laying on of hands. I went to the Lord and said, Lord, I want you to lay your hands on me. I can't find anybody around me who I can trust to lay their hands on me.

But can you lay your nail-pierced hands on me, and anoint me, and give me some gifts to serve you? I've done that many times. I wouldn't dare to serve the Lord without Jesus giving me the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

And then talking about the future, to believe that one day everybody will be raised up in eternal judgment, that we'll all give an answer to God for our life, for everything we do. So these are some fundamental truths there.

And he says, we lay that down as a foundation, and now we move on. And I want you to now look at the five things mentioned in verse 4 and 5, which to me are what the writer to the Hebrews and the Holy Spirit through him, is saying that every believer should experience to some extent, every born-again person should experience to some extent, these five things mentioned here.

Enlightenment Through God's Word

One, being enlightened. And Ephesians 1 says about our heart being enlightened. Do you know that we have eyes in our heart that are blind until Jesus opens our blind eyes? To be enlightened is to be able to see something that we could never see before.

Not just understand something, but it's like saying, hey, I see it now. Like in English, there's an expression called an aha moment. An aha moment means, oh wow, I see it now. I sort of understood in my head now, till now, but aha, I see it.

Wow, I never saw it like that. That's when the eyes of our heart being enlightened. I mean, to use an illustration, it's like a blind man who had a Bible in his house for many years. He couldn't read anything in it.

And then one day Jesus opens his eyes and he begins to read and say, wow, I had this book all these years, and now I can see what's written here. It's something like that that happens when God opens the eyes of our heart.

And we read the Bible and we say, wow, I never saw that before. And that's really comfort. You know, like I was sharing the other day that when we're going through a particular problem and there seem to be some issues there, we don't know how this problem is going to end up.

It could be a sickness, it could be a financial problem, it could be a job problem. It could be all types of things which we're facing and many of us go through things like that many times. I go through them too.

And one of the words that comforted me recently was Jesus saying, I am the Alpha and the Omega, I am the A and the Z, I am the beginning and the end. So I thought of it like this, that Jesus is there in the beginning, Jesus is there in the end, and this particular problem I'm facing is in between the Alpha and the Omega.

Everything is in between here. And so even though I don't know where this is going to end, since Jesus is the Omega, the final word, and he's the end, he knows where it's going to end and he's beyond the end.

So I can be at rest. It could be a physical problem, it could be a financial problem. You don't know where it's going to end. It looks like it's pretty serious. You know, people can go through serious problems.

Sickness, you don't know where it's going to end. Remember, Jesus is the Omega, he knows and he already knows. He's beyond that. Put your faith in that and say, Lord, you're the Alpha and Omega, so I will not be anxious.

I will not allow these thoughts of anxiety to come and disturb my mind because you are the Omega. You're the one at the end of time and I'm going to rest in you. That's just an example of how our hearts can get enlightened all of a sudden from a scripture that you probably read.

I mean, I read that verse for 50 years and it never came home to me like that. The Bible is a well from which you can keep on drawing water. And if you're not able to draw fresh water from that well, if it's stale water that you're getting, there's something wrong.

Pray. It's your birthright. These five things here are your birthright. It's not some extra thing that you have to pay something for. It's free. It all came with your salvation package. You've got to open up your new birth package and see these five things are all there.

Maybe you didn't look carefully inside that package what you gave God as a free gift. Here's the first one. Enlightenment. You have a birthright to be enlightened when you read God's word. That you see something which you haven't seen before when you read it.

You have to see something of Jesus, a fresh view of Jesus. Like I said, when you see Jesus as Alpha and Omega, you're actually seeing Him. Your eyes, your heart are enlightened to see Christ as the one who rules over all, etc.

Tasting the Heavenly Gift

And it goes on to say, the second thing here is you've tasted of the heavenly gift. And that's the second thing in that package of when you got when you were born again. I'm just trying to open up that package you got, all of us got when we were born again.

And some of those packages we haven't opened. Here's one of them, to get a taste of heaven. You know in the Old Testament, nobody could get a taste of heaven. They could taste a very comfortable life on earth.

They could get healing, they could get wealth and prosperity and many children. But they couldn't taste heaven. And that is also a birthright. Do you know what's your birthright? Living here on earth to have a little taste of heaven.

Of what heaven is like. You know, for example, you read in the book of Revelation how they all fall down before God and the Lamb, Jesus. And say, Thou art worthy. I've often thought about that. And I say, Lord, I want a taste of that here.

I'm not yet there. I know one day I'll do it. One day I'll be there with the millions and millions of people and saying, Thou art worthy. But I want a taste of it here. In one drop. If that's an ocean, can I get a drop of that ocean now?

Of seeing how wonderful it is to be taken up with Jesus alone as being worthy. Not Paul, not Peter. Nobody. Only Jesus. He alone is worthy. And I'm also a nobody. You know, to see yourself in the midst of millions in heaven as a nobody.

Singing that Jesus is worthy. You know, the devil can sometimes puff us up with feelings of self-importance. That we're a little more important than somebody else. It's a lot of rubbish. Don't you listen to the devil.

We're very precious in God's eyes. But in our own eyes, we must always be nobodies. And a taste of heaven is like that. They're always, Lord, I want a taste of that. I've thought of heaven as a place where nobody murmurs or grumbles about anything.

I mean, right now, for example, there are people in heaven. Some of the saints have gone already up there who lived on earth. And we know they're conscious because Jesus spoke about Abraham speaking to the rich man in hell.

So that means people who go to paradise and hell are conscious. But think of those people who are conscious up there in heaven. They don't have bodies, but their spirits, they're in some way conscious.

But they're not disturbed about all the things happening on earth right now. They're not grumbling and complaining about anything that's happening here. They're not scared what's going to happen next.

I say, Lord, that's heaven. I want a taste of that. I can't have it in perfection until I get there. But I want to taste this heavenly gift. This having heaven in my heart. I want a taste of it. I can't have it fully.

Like a little drop, a little bite, a little taste. That's your birthright. It's a package. It came with your new birth package. Enjoy it. A life completely free from grumbling and complaining about anything.

About anybody. What a life that can be. Can you imagine what will happen in your home if husband and wife are like that? Your home will have a little bit of the atmosphere of heaven there. Think of your children grow up in that atmosphere.

What is going to affect them? You can teach the Bible any amount to your children, but if they don't taste the atmosphere of heaven in your home, they are not going to turn to the Lord. I'll tell you that.

You can drill their minds, fill their minds with teaching, teaching, teaching and all that stuff. But if they don't taste heaven in the atmosphere at home between father and mother, they are not going to turn to the Lord.

I'll tell you that. If they don't see heaven in the atmosphere and conversation in your home, if they hear grumbling and murmuring which is the characteristic of hell, I can imagine that people in hell are murmuring and grumbling.

Think of that rich man. Oh, I want some water here. I mean a rich man on earth. Can't you give me some water? At least my tongue is burning. They are grumbling all the time about something or the other.

I don't want that atmosphere in my home. Dear brothers and sisters, it is your birthright to have a taste of heaven. The third thing it says here is, and this is how it all happens. Made partakers of the Holy Spirit.

Partaking in the Holy Spirit and God's Nature

There is a lot of confusion concerning this. There are many people who are told you got to first accept Christ and then accept the Holy Spirit. I never see that in scripture. In scripture it is believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and receive the Holy Spirit.

You won't find a single place, not a single place in the Bible where you tell a person receive Jesus Christ and then later on receive the Holy Spirit. Can you show me one place like that? It is being taught like that today in some Pentecostal churches and people who don't know the word of God.

Be filled with the Spirit. That I agree. Be baptized in the Holy Spirit which is immersed in the Holy Spirit. But receiving the Spirit and you are born again. Turn to Romans 8 and verse 9. See a lot of confusion concerning the Holy Spirit comes because, I'll tell you, because you listen to the testimonies of men more than read the word of God.

A guaranteed prescription for confusion. You want to be confused in your mind? Listen to the testimonies of men more than you read the word of God. Guaranteed you'll be confused. I have striven all my life.

I listen to the testimonies of many people. I've been greatly challenged by the testimonies of others. But I say God's word is above all that. And that's what's protected me from godly men who are more godly than me.

Who have taught things which are not in scripture. I have disagreed with them. And I'm saying, I'm sorry brother. You're much older than me. You're much more godly than me. But God's word is above you.

And I accept God's word. So I'm sorry I can't agree with you. Are you more godly than me? Yes, agreed. Are you known the Lord longer than me? Yes, agreed. But if God's word says something else, I'm sorry.

I'm going to accept God's word. I've said that to more than one godly person older than me. And that's what's kept me. Saved me from following some man or cult or any such thing. God's word. Romans 8 and verse 9.

The last part. If anyone, listen, anyone here, does not have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ, you don't even belong to him. You're not even born again. You don't belong to Christ. You don't belong to God.

What does that teach? It teaches that when you're born again, when you receive Christ, you're receiving the Holy Spirit. You may not be filled with the Holy Spirit, but you receive him. Because Jesus Christ is in heaven.

He has not come back to the earth. He did not come back to the earth when he came into your heart. Who is on earth today? The third person of the Trinity. If you were in Israel, nearly 2000 years ago, you could have received Jesus into your home.

Because the second person of the Trinity was on earth. You could have asked him to come to your home. But today you can't. One day you can, when he comes back again. But in this period, it's the third person of the Trinity who is here on this earth.

And when you want God to come into your life, it's the third person of the Trinity that comes in. The third person of the Trinity was not there in Israel, 2000 years ago. It was the second person of the Trinity who was there then.

So let's not get it confused. It's all very simple. So when I received Jesus into my heart, you know, I say, people ask this question, where do you get this business of accepting Jesus into your heart?

I'll tell you. In the old, in the first century, they told those Jews who were converted, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, which was a strange thing for them because the Jews considered Jesus to be a false teacher, a false prophet.

They were asking them to believe on something whom they considered a false prophet. And when some people's eyes were opened, they believed that Jesus did die for their sins. Believe and receive the Holy Spirit.

We combine that today and say receive Christ into your heart. I'll tell you why. Because if you go out into non-Christian lands and say receive the Spirit, there are hundreds of spirits they've already received.

You tell them, receive the Spirit. Receive the Spirit of God. And a lot of people think they are receiving the Spirit of God when they got a demon. We have to identify it as Jesus Christ. So that's why we say, when we ask Jesus, when you ask the Lord Jesus to come into your heart, it's the Holy Spirit who comes in.

And if at that moment, your conversion is radical and you've turned completely, not everybody's like that because a lot of people turn to Christ only to go to heaven or because they want to get healed of some sickness or some benefit.

God accepts them. I mean the prodigal son didn't come back because he loved the father. He came back because he was hungry. But the father still received him. So God will receive you even if you come for healing or some other lowdown reason like that.

He'll accept you but you shouldn't stay there. The prodigal son didn't stay in the father's house only for food. He began to appreciate the father. So if we've come to Christ and we didn't give ourselves completely, when you open every area of your life to God, it's like pulling down the curtains here and opening all the doors and windows, the sunlight comes streaming in, in the same way the Holy Spirit will come in.

There'll be no delay. If the sunshine is outside and I open the doors and windows, there's not even a second's delay when the sunlight comes in. We must believe that the Holy Spirit will come flooding our heart exactly like that.

We'll be baptized in the Holy Spirit, filled with the Holy Spirit. The only delay is we've closed some doors. So the gift of the Holy Spirit is something we receive as soon as we are born again. But we have to be open to be filled with the Holy Spirit.

This is a tremendous thing to actually partake of God's own nature. I wonder if we realize the wonder of it all, more than everything else, is to partake of God's nature. It's like, you know, supposing you have a dog, a pet dog, who loves you very much and whom you love very much.

And if that dog could have a little understanding and you could tell that dog, I'm going to make you my son. I'm going to give you a human nature, that you'll no longer be a dog. You'll be my son. And by some miracle, that dog becomes a human being.

Wow! Wouldn't there be a difference between your loving that dog and your loving this dog that's become a son? I see it like that. When I was born again and partook of the Holy Spirit, bringing God's nature, if it was a real conversion, unfortunately a lot of people who say they are born again, they just go through the motion, Oh Lord Jesus, come into my heart, nothing has happened.

Then of course it's not true. But if a real born again experience took place, and I know the time it really took place, I mean for six years I kept on saying, Lord Jesus come into my heart, come into my heart, come into my heart, nothing happened.

But I know a day when it really took place, a dog became a human being. Something radical happened, because my ambitions changed, my ambitions were all in the world up to that time. It's like a dog is only interested in bones and running around eating all the muck.