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Hey, I'm sure I look like a complete mess

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And this camera wasn't what we were gonna be using But it actually looks better than what we were gonna be using and I'm in a hotel room

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So there's books in the background there. That's a very interesting books. We'll be talking about Those over the coming weeks.

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But anyways, welcome to the dividing line. I am coming to you live from Conway, Arkansas, I Was in Abilene, Texas last night, so if you figure that out, it's 524 miles of driving today and Not pulling an

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RV Look, it's it's obviously a lot easier to Drive at the speed limit

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To be able to go through You know drive -thrus if you want to Park in parking places that normal humans can park in it is significantly easier to do that But the six trips up here with luggage and bags and stuff like that trying to avoid the ice.

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Ah, yes One thing that Phoenicians simply genetically cannot do is walk on ice evidently everybody else can but No, not not.

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No, we will end up I Did that I just remember what I well, no, no one remembers but in 2019

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I was in Samara Russia, it was 28 degrees below zero.

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It's not 28 degrees below zero here and I Slipped on ice and just destroyed my knee was my near my hip something.

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I could barely walk. It was great So yeah Phoenicians and an ice

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Ice goes in a drink It's only time you see it or if you go to a

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Hockey game, but other than that, you don't see ice. So yeah So here we are and we are in a hotel room a nice hotel room.

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Very nice. It's a very nice hotel a nice hotel room This is a nice little little setup here and it's it's clean and let me see here

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There you go about there's just fine And It's gonna be getting warmer each day.

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In fact by early next week It's gonna be spring like and I'm gonna be really missing my RV but So just I'm not sure how long we're gonna go tonight

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I am exhausted for obvious reasons, but there are a couple things we want to talk about and we're just testing this out as well yes,

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I just like I have Twitter up and so if people would like to throw some

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Comments or questions out on Twitter. I I I have two screens and so I'm able to see

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Twitter for once here as as well, but Someone just posted and I don't know.

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I do not know how to show my screen I'm sure there is a way to do that But we haven't

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Haven't figured that part out yet Or at least rich doesn't want to complicate it too much for me to do it this way but someone

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Their Twitter handle I think is Midwest versus East or something It says

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Midwest now snow everywhere Midwest in five days mud everywhere Yeah, I can sort of see that and the way things are going out there but I did see some snow

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There was a few little flurries nothing much of anything would have been really great back in December to put me in the

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Christmas spirit, but No, instead it is in February. So Just so that people in this area know

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Tomorrow night, I believe it's five o 'clock. I'll be in Perryville. I've put the stuff on Twitter I'll be with Quattro Nelson and his folks at I'm pretty sure it's five o 'clock tomorrow evening

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And we're gonna be talking about we're gonna be talking about something that according to Stephen Wolfe is dumb

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So it's a dumb Stephen Wolfe topic So every every if you listen to the briefing with Albert Muller every single briefing is dumb according to Stephen Wolfe and Maybe you can ask him about that when he does man rampant in Moscow fairly soon

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That'll be very interesting In fact, that's very interesting

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I guess last week they had Raymond Ibrahim and the

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Crusades stuff and then they're gonna have a Stephen Wolfe up. So That could be very very intriguing

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Anyway, Stephen Wolfe informed us that the use the term worldview is dumb and we should stop using that term of course

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I'll molar uses it from a Christian worldview in every single episode of the briefing.

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So You've got that going on there But we will be talking about forming a

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Christian world worldview why it's important why it's not dumb and why I think he is dumb is dumb and Really trying to take it past where it's been, you know,

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I remember back in the 90s with Francis Schaeffer and how then shall we live and the great evangelical disaster and and Showing videos and stuff and people were just like oh, this is incredible.

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This is awesome. And and it was it was it was fascinating and it was useful and it was interesting, but it was almost sort of like it was a

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Out there someplace, you know, I don't think in the 90s we had no folks like Schaeffer had seen what was coming and I think even the rest of us when listening to Schaeffer went maybe

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But now it's 2025. We're we're well past all that stuff and We're dealing with this stuff,

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I mean I only listened to it while driving the night once I got here. I got to watch it briefly

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But what happened with Trump and the governor of Maine today

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First of all, I was

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I was born When Kennedy was president,

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I don't remember that because he was assassinated before I was a year old but So I've been through a few presidents and Reagan Maybe in some situations he could be very humorous

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But there's just never been a president and and to be honest with you I wasn't gonna talk about this, but I've been thinking about it.

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You have a lot of time to think when you're in the truck To be honest with you

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Trump wouldn't have done what he did today with the governor of Maine if he didn't see it He was talking about the

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NCAA and the transgender stuff and He then said but he says but I hear

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Maine's not going to Submit or something like that and he goes is the government

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Maine here and she was she was over to his right You've seen you've seen people post things on X and Facebook and stuff like that.

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I want to report a murder, you know Well, that's sort of what it was. I mean, I cannot imagine any

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President ever I bet you Teddy Roosevelt would have done it But Teddy Roosevelt was a long time ago and and Teddy Roosevelt didn't have social media

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But I just I just could not imagine any president my lifetime Looking over at the governor of Maine and just he basically said

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That's federal law if you don't do it you lose all federal funding And he basically said and I think you should be thinking about what you're gonna be doing when you're long no longer in public service

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Cuz you're not gonna be reelected At the very very least the next four years will be extremely entertaining

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But I don't think Trump would have done that in his first term There's a lot of stuff that Trump's doing that I don't think he would that he he didn't do in his first term and If he had won in 2020, which

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I think he did but if he had if the election had been stolen He wouldn't have done what he's doing now

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It's almost like he took these four years and he went oh really oh So this is how it works, okay

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Let's get ready to dismantle all of this and that really now that doesn't mean

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You know, there's a lot of stuff going on. That's that's that's Very troubling to me some of the people he's putting in place the same people that did the lockdowns all stuff stuff

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I still think he thinks he did the warp speed and I still think he thinks that the mRNA vaxxes were great and off a number of studies that have come out on the utter

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Destructiveness of these things. I mean there are so many people saying They should never ever ever be used again.

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And yet the people he's selecting of the people going. Oh, there's your stuff's great. And so there's some real issues there and We may have a discussion at some point about Elon Musk because you know, there's there's so many things that Elon Musk has done that that many of us benefited from He has single -handedly

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Revitalized space NASA was dying NASA was DEI NASA was doing dumb weather stuff

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Changing data sets to make it look like the earth was warming and stuff like that so, you know, there's

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Positive things there, but there's a lot of scary stuff in Elon Musk's background

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His look at his maternal grandfather sometime Tried to start the social credit party in Canada There's there's reasons to be very very concerned

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So anyway I just It's gonna be a very entertaining four years at the very least because Trump's coming in going.

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I only got four years. I can't do anything more than that and so let's just Go at it and he didn't drain the swamp last time now.

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He's nuked the swamp So it's a it's fascinating so back to what

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I was telling you tomorrow evening At Providence the name of the church

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Providence out in Perryville we're gonna be talking about the Christian worldview forming a

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Christian worldview and how it's so vitally important now It's not just a oh that was an interesting talk blah blah blah blah

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If you're talking with your children or in my case my grandchildren You can't you have to talk about worldview you can't avoid it

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You have to be able to explain them because most kids if they're being raised, right?

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They're being raised with with a moral foundation and an objective truth when they when they see what the governor of Maine's doing

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And how she's she's defending boys Playing in girls sports because she doesn't believe that there really is a boy and girl

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It's how you feel It's the gender studies idiocy And it is idiocy.

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It's moral insanity it's foolishness and It was propped up By USAID and all these

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NGOs and all this money laundering Your great -grandchildren's inheritance has been being spent by these evil treasonous people to promote this garbage the only reason

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That there are people literally defending the idea of a of a boy who has to shave racing against the girls and winning

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In Maine and Oregon and Washington and all these types of things. The only reason they're doing that is because of the money

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That has been poured into the promotion of this stupidity this foolishness and it's destructive so massively destructive of The society and and the culture at large and The United States has been

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Has you know the Treasury Department, I'm really wondering if they're going to Fort Knox and discover it's all gone

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It's all been shipped out someplace else. It wouldn't shock if that would not shock me in the least not in the least

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The the amount of trust I have left in the federal government Non -existent non -existent.

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There's there's nothing left. There's nothing there So You talk to your kids and they want to know how can someone like the governor of Maine do this?

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Why would someone want boys to be converted competing in girls what that's not fair it's not right and you have to be able to explain this because they have a rebellious worldview they they have a set of presuppositions and filters that they have accepted that allow them to rebel against God's truth and You will encounter people who will

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Respond to you just as strongly as you respond to them because they don't they don't understand that they have been enslaved by the secular worldview and So they're living in light of that So we're going to talk about Christian worldview and communicating that with your kids and and and all the rest that neat fun stuff

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Tomorrow night and then on Sunday morning, I'll be preaching at the church as well.

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And then on Pretty sure Monday evening I'll be joining one of the classes.

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So I don't think this is open to public So I'll be joining the Gospels class to talk about the Jesus seminar and stuff like that And I need to make sure

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I think I think dr. Moore already has this but we're gonna play some segments from a very entertaining

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Radio program I was on I was thinking about it, and I'm not sure

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I'm not sure how accurate necessarily all the dates on the sermon audio stuff is and stuff like that But I'm thinking and rich if you know,

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I'd be interested in knowing myself Sure, it's good little one. I Think the

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Robert Funk Interview and now Most people today don't know who

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Robert Funk was He has since passed away But back in the late 80s there was an organization

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Known as the Jesus seminar and again, this is prior to social media so They got their word out

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Huh, well, you know I was thinking that too

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I was thinking more like 88 89

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I graduated from Fuller in 89 I had already taken I'd already taken enough classes

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With a liberal background to be able to engage funk Fairly well, so I was thinking toward the end of my seminary time

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So I think that would have been 88 89 Is is my guess on that?

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But I and a few other people were invited to come into The studio at KFYI Which is a local talk station in Phoenix, and I have been on I Had been that studio many times with Bob Mohan very young and first with Tom Likas Who I think by that time had moved over to LA?

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He was one of the first the original shock jocks and I don't know how many programs

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I did on KFYI, but there There were a lot there really were

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And I was young. I mean if it was 88, I was like 25 26 years old and So We went in the studio

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To be on the air with Robert Funk the co -founder of the Jesus seminar co -founder along with John Dominic crossin

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Who I did debate formally up in? Vancouver was not was that Vancouver.

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It was before the Alaskan cruise somewhere up in the northwest anyway, wonderful guy as He sort of liked the idea

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I described him as my favorite heretic and he was he's a really nice guy and Seattle, okay, you know

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Seattle That's where red turned the lights off during the debate Red goatee.

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Oh, man, we're going back in the past here. Anyway But I never met

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Robert Funk and so the the Jesus seminar was coming out with a

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Published edition of the Gospels that was printed in different colors and And The Jesus seminar were just ultra leftist scholars who would get together every few months or every six months or however long it was and They would study a particular portion of the

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Gospels and then they would vote and They would vote with different colored marbles and When they come by you drop the marble in the bag

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That represented whether you believed that Jesus Had said this didn't say this might have said it probably didn't say it said four different colors as I recall and then you count them all up and Then you print

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You know the Gospel of John had almost nothing in it the G is originally set according to the

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Jesus But Mark had much more

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Matthew and Luke in between and You know, this is getting a lot of attention on Radio programs and things like that again.

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There's no internet yet So it can't go viral and stuff like that so it happens a little bit more slowly back in those ancient days and so we were invited to come on and Talk with Robert Funk Now the other guys are on with me nice guys, but they didn't have any background in this stuff just to be honest with you and As I said,

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I was at Fuller. So I was reading the same kind of commentary material and Theology and Old and New Testament background stuff that would mark where the

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Jesus seminar is coming from so I'm familiar with them with that kind of stuff and so we start the program and I started to take over because The other guys are sort of just plain old evangelicals and they're just throwing stuff out and they're not really throwing stuff out

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That's going to be relevant to him so I do and After I challenged him on something we went to a commercial break

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I remember I grew up doing radio and I had been on KFYI over and over again and So I can immediately tell that Barry Young was

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Hearing stuff in his earphones from the control studio, and I heard Barry Young say call him back call him back and And we come back from a break

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There there's a there's a part of me that goes this was probably not fully legal

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But we come back from the break and Barry Young says what we lost contact with dr.

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Funk well, actually, that's not what had happened and So as you listen to it the phone rings he picks it up and Barry Berlin goes dr.

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Funk That's what we lost the line. He says you didn't lose the line. I hung up on you You hung up on us and He says my producer says you told us to go to hell and And he said yes,

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I did. He says he said that's a good place for you to go I don't

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I don't remember how long he stayed on after that. It couldn't have been very long at all And of course,

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I'm simply trying to get something positive to come out of all of this Because I think he did then hang up later and said don't call me back or whatever and so now we've got an hour or something to fill and I'm trying to get to this

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Important stuff and I'm not really sure whether I actually accomplished anything or not so anyway

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That was the Jesus seminar experience. And I think we're gonna play a portion of that Because dr.

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Moore is talking about The Gospels and gospel studies and the Jesus seminar and stuff like that.

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I haven't heard anything about them for ages It was it was a function of the Westar Institute Funkstead John Dominic Ross is very very aged.

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I'd love to get in touch with him again, but I don't know how I could and So they're sort of little ancient history, but believe me they you know, they eventually came out with the scholars version of the

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Gospels and published that a very humbly titled volume and So I think that's

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Monday night is when I'm gonna be sitting in the Gospels class and Just interacting with the students on the

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Jesus seminar and stuff like that and then so I believe it's Tuesday night Open to the public there will be a

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Discussion and I'll retweet the link here. There we go

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On the ecumenical councils and I'll be focusing primarily on The so -called seventh ecumenical council and I see a two but I have to run through the first six because Honestly, I wonder what percentage of Well, I'll use my own church,

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I wonder what percentage of folks of apologia could name more than Three ecumenical councils

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I'm I Don't think

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There might be Two or three people at max and that would not include

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Jeff Luke or Zack. They have Oh Hmm now, that's weird

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Hold on. Let me look here Oh Okay, sorry

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Here I am talking about Jeff Luke and Zack and immediately my phone goes ding and it's from Luke So I'm like,

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I think I better check that but he's not listening. Don't worry about Look I Remember was it

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Norm Geisler? I Think it was Norm Geisler. I remember years ago a conversation

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May have had something to do with the Bible lanceman broadcast But I just remember someone saying yes,

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I accept The first seven ecumenical councils and I remember thinking

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Do you really Did you know what do you know what they taught? Do you are you making a distinction between?

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creedal statements and canons and decrees and You know, there's as you as you walk through the councils as you go from because because what okay?

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Everybody needs to know When the council and I see it was I've told everybody if you ever take a church history class from me

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We will Have on the final exam the question.

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What was the date year of? The council and I see it the first council and I see it's 325 ad free points free points right there everybody needs to know that Because the council and I see it is so wildly

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Misrepresented in YouTube and every place else that you need to know at least when it actually took place but Even people who know what the council and I see us.

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What was Constantine's rule? Why did

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Leonard Verdine the Great scholar that I've mentioned a number of times

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Why do you use the phrase? Constantinianism Why do many people feel that the council and I see a marked a major transition in?

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the history of the church in regards to relationship of church estate And then

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Did it get better or worse did the nature of it change at the second ecumenical council

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Which is what see most people don't know You know, we could do one of those jaywalking things, you know,

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Jay Leno we could do jaywalking and We could we could go jaywalking on a seminary campus

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And it would only be the church history nerds that would have any clue Council of Constantinople 381.

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But what was it? What was about what had happened between Nicaea and between 325 and 381

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What was who called the council in 381

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Why were all why were all the first seven ecumenical councils in the east then after that according to Rome they're all in the

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West What was the increasing role of The Emperor or Empress in Constantinople, how were these?

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Because 325 you still have Rome hasn't fallen yet the city of Rome But Islam is gonna rise the

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West is gonna fall Constantinople stands firm. So Three of these are from Constantinople.

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Nicaea is a suburb basically of Constantinople So they're all in that same general area Ephesus isn't all that far away

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So the places of these councils are all in the east Initially and then that changes afterwards

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But nobody called them ecumenical at the beginning because no one knew what in world that was that's a later development and so is it appropriate to look back in history and Look at councils in a way the people that were there had no earthly idea.

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They'd be viewed that way As having some kind of almost infallible authority So we'll be talking about all that kind of stuff

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Tuesday night at the seminary and then Wednesday, I drive up to Jonesboro and And Get together with the apologetic dog

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Jeremiah and the folks up at 12 -5 church in Jonesboro and then Friday and Saturday we have our debates the two -on -two debate on the

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Atonement the one -on -one debate Joe Heschmeier myself from Catholic answers on The mass is a perpetuatory sacrifice

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Interestingly enough the topics of both nights are very closely related which is nice for me

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But they are very closely related both on the Atonement and really the strongest arguments in both have to do with what the

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Bible teaches the Atonement actually accomplished and The relationship of the Atonement to the purpose of God and and things like that So that's going to come up in both in both those debates there in Jonesboro.

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And so if you're in the area be great for you to come on out and Take a look at What we're doing, let me see here

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I did say I'm not getting a link. Are you stopping by Grace life and prior on this trip?

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No, I'm not Hope you'll do something on the

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Moeller interview and endorsement of Rigney's book I saw that he did an interview, but I haven't listened to it.

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I am confused by Moeller's endorsement Big Eva wouldn't platform Wilson or his people for so long.

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Something's up Well, I don't know. I don't know what's up I Haven't listened to the

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Moeller thing Of course Rigney was with Piper for a long time if I recall correctly, so maybe there was a connection there

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Don't know when it comes to all the insides and politics and stuff. I have no idea

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That's an interesting question, what is the difference between Christ intercession and mediation is he mediating for everyone?

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I don't think there is a difference. I think those are different English words. There's frequently used to translate the same

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Greek words so depend on which text we're referring to but there's one mediator between God and men man

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Christ Jesus Who is interceding for us? ones

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I Suppose you could say mediating and make that it and that a verb, too Thank you, nothing like hearing an input from someone with an authentically

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Christian worldview. Well, thank you Timothy. I appreciate that So anyways, those the only things that I see here

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Click here if you want to see the chat. Well, this could be dangerous Well, that's weird, well, there we go, ah

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I can now see the chat now that this means I'll get nothing done the rest of program this is all I'm gonna do the rest of program is try to read read all this stuff and Rich is talking to people about OBS, which is what

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I'm using to do the program rather than Zoom or something like that, and I'm sure in a second zoom will or rich will be going

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Yes, I'll show him how to Show the desktop so we can see videos and and put accordance and stuff like that up there eventually but yeah, there's a there is a chat and I don't know

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I Again it's I'm not sure why

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I don't bring it up When I'm in the studio, but I have it up there right now because I have a second monitor with me and I'm able to see

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It but there's nothing overly exciting going on in there. But hello everybody I'll move it over a little bit so I can actually see some of the stuff but Yes, we've waited many years for this moment.

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Yeah. Okay. Yeah one thing at a time rich says one thing at a time All right. Yeah. Well, we've got this working so that's there's a camera up here and When rich plugged it in back in Phoenix it worked us fine when

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I plugged it in and Then once we decided to go with the laptop camera, it started working

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I Could tell you some stories from long ago in my past about something like this But to be honest with you and rich mentioned this to rich said to me says, you know,

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I got it got admit The camera on your laptop is really good.

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It's amazingly high quality for Can you imagine how thin? That camera is

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I mean, I'm feeling the light my screen here is It's astonishing that that there's any kind of image coming from that thing at all

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But yeah, the MacBook Pro has a Decent camera so we may end up just using that and just using the light up.

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There is Light for doing the dividing. I'm gonna leave all this hooked up so that Monday or Tuesday We can do another program here before I leave for Jonesboro.

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And so we'll we'll do that thing so Okay, I've I've got a few questions here

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What PTL rebinds made this trip that only reminds me to pray ask everybody to pray for Jeffrey Rice As you know, he was hit by a truck

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The guy driving the truck it wasn't his truck and he was on a suspended license and so there's no insurance

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And You know in that situation Let me let me tell you what happens and it won't happen but in that situation from a biblical law perspective

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That man that hit Jeffrey Should have to work

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Not be put in prison Not be put in a cage But he should have to work

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Have an absolute minimal Subsistence amount for himself and then

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Everything else he does work -wise Should go to Jeffrey to pay his medical costs not just medical costs, but he can't work

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That that should not be for other people to pay for it should be the person who did this

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That's That would be biblical law so pray for Jeffrey and For his his situation, it's got to mention that in regards to PTL rebinds, that's post -10 of his locks that's

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Jeffrey and The only the only one that made this trip actually I should have brought my

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Greek New Testament You know, I'm just in the truck this this trip Is my

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Black Bible Johnny Cash Bible is my Johnny Cash Bible. That's the only one that is on the trip this this time around So Then a question what's the best single resource to reference to learn about apologetics in your mind

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That there's so many different fields You know, I I think it's vitally important to You know for me

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Until Bonson the Popularizations for that type of apologetics

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But obviously from my perspective biblical languages church history Is extremely important to be able to evaluate

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What people are saying? so again Nothing new about this, but I've said over and over and over again the two classes that have helped me the most as an apologist over 40 years of ministry that I took in Bible College and seminary were church history and Greek and so those are

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You know vital But you know when I started doing apologetics when

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I started witnessing the Mormons I I had no mentors I had In fact

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The one book that I read as a Junior in high school.

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He was a junior in high school the one book that I read on Mormonism before Was that before I talked to I'm trying to remember now.

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I went out on outreach visit for North Phoenix Baptist Church, and I ran into a

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Mormon lady and Now I'm a junior in high school

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It was a disaster When I look back on it now, it was like oh wow

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Talk about a study and not and what not to do. I had no idea We had we were given no training to be able to do it so at some point

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I picked up Walter Martin's book the maze of Mormonism and That is not the best book on Mormonism.

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It's just not Even back then the far better books would have been anything by Gerald and Santa Tanner which of course

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I eventually got all they did but I Really did not have

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Anyone to guide me So when I had that first encounter with elders

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Reed and Reese In July of 1982 and That started my studying

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I didn't have anybody I could turn to I didn't have books that I could go to Sure, I went to the

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Christian bookstore and bought every book on Mormonism. I could find there weren't that many and From my perspective.

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They weren't all that good vast majority of them that were there and They're very surface level and so, you know,

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I Started going to the LDS bookstore and I Bought a marvelous work in a wonder by Legrand Richards and Mormon doctrine by Bruce I'm a conky if you have a paper copy, by the way

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Of Mormon doctrine Bruce. I'm a conky. Keep it Do not sell it. Do not give it to a used bookstore.

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If you run across a copy in a used bookstore buy it The Mormon Church wants

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I think the Mormon Church may be buying them all up We should we should rich we should put ours in us in that safe that we've got

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They may be sending the Danites up that's what the Danites are doing now But the Danites aren't out blood atoning people.

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They're out collecting old copies of Mormon doctrine by Bruce I'm a conky so eventually they can go no it never said that So anyways

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But I just started as I'd be reading the Christian books and I'd see books being referenced.

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I'd go buy the book at the LDS bookstore and that's how my LDS library started to grow and Nobody told me

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Go the original sources it just seemed The only way to do it properly and correctly

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Go the original resources I I wasn't it wasn't like don't trust

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Christians But it was like well, a lot of these

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Christians that are writing about Mormonism are former Mormons and I knew that If a former

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Christian who had converted to Mormonism was talking to me I'd want to check their sources and so I need to be fair I need to be consistent and And So that's where I started and I didn't have anybody to tell me do this out of the other thing

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I just Spent hours and hours and hours reading I still have all those books and all the yellow marking in them and that then became the foundation of a set of notes

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Rich still has his copy because I don't know how long after that I Volunteered to teach a class on Mormonism at North Phoenix Baptist Church and I don't remember how long

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I taught that but that set of notes sort of got expanded upon and things like that and Then I passed that class on to Mike Beliveau and I started teaching a

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Christian doctrines class and It was in I think that first Christian doctrines class a

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Guy I knew there at the church named Dave Johnson Came up to me after a

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Christian doctrines class and he had this this guy with him and This guy was wearing a maroon members only jacket

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Which I think he still has Price can still wear it. That's really disgusting but Has sort of Crazed look in his eyes

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Pentecostal background charismatic background really and Turned out that guy was named

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Rich Pierce. Yes That's where Rich and I I remember I Remember which building we were in I remember which direction the the room faced

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I Remember where Rich was standing and Dave was standing and Yeah, that's that's where that's where we met and then if I recall correctly

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Rich dived in and If I recall correctly for a while He and Mike team taught the

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Mormonism class there at North Phoenix So again all of that to say

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It's nice to have a mentor It's nice to have somebody to show you the way but if you don't have that it's you know, you can you can still accomplish things and Yes, it was maroon and He knows it

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I'll see here in a moment if rich Admits in public that he used to constantly

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Constantly where when well, okay, you can't constantly wear a jacket in Phoenix at all But for December January February He always had that maroon members only jacket that he had forever and ever until I Don't know if he donated it to a museum or just one.

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So Anyhow, there was a specific question about any specific work of Intel again

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And by the way, there's only one L in till then till You know defense of the faith

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Christian epistemology I Wish and some sort of Bonson's sort of done this some other people have sort of done this there are more better organized materials on vento because vento is difficult to read

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There's no question about it. It's hard to read English was not as really his first language and So he was a somewhat obtuse and Not as well organized, but I still have all the old

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P &R Presbyterian Reformed early printings of those books like in courier font

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Horrible mono spaced fonts and stuff like that look terrible But man, it's just gold mine gold mine of material unless you're a

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Thomist and then you're you just hate it because the Every fourth page, there's a there's shot across Thomas's bow

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I Had a nice jacket I like red they didn't make red.

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That's true. It was not red. It was marine marine maroon Whatever it is.

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Yes, so good All right, so so that's what's going on now

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I Had a conversation while driving today Let me double -check this.

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Please. I hope this doesn't mess anything up on this. I mean, I've never Fired up programs while this was running

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See if it messed anything up If you're in the

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Come on stop cancel. Oh All right.

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So let's go that way April 4th Friday April 4th,

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Livingston, Louisiana We were talking about the thesis today it's something along the lines of is the

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King James Bible The best English translation or the only English translation

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Christians today should use something along those lines I'm gonna be debating gentlemen. It's not a

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Rachmanite It's not a gale rippling. All right, anything like that. It should be and Hopefully he will not have 254 slides for a 25 -minute opening statement

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But it should be a good debate there at Brian Gunter's Church in Livingston now

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Livingston is down south South Louisiana so we have two pastors up in northern,

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Louisiana, and I'm going to work out getting to their churches For a

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Sunday and a Wednesday, but we're also really gonna try to put together a debate up there too.

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So it'd be East of the Shreveport area is what we're looking at there in early

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April So another pretty quick trip, but this one Please Lord as I feel my back spasming from carrying all this stuff upstairs

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With the RV this time, so I will be somewhat less

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Taxed and then at the end of April April 24th 25th 26th is

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Reform Con in Tucson. I will be speaking there and Already looking forward to some of my dearest friends from Denver are coming down for Reform Con on the 24th 25th 26th in Tucson You might go why in the world

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Tucson? Finding locations is is a challenge at times and the best place came up was down in Tucson Which is about 90 minutes from Phoenix Beautiful area and by the way, if you if you come to Reform Con leave enough time

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To do the drive up to the top of Mount Lemmon. Trust me the vistas up there the drive up Mount Lemmon is

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Just fantastic. It really really is. I don't know if I'm ever gonna get to Ride my bike up it again

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It was only ten years ago. I would go down to Tucson. I'd stay the night in a hotel

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I'd get up at 2 30 in the morning and I would get on my bike and I would ride from North Eastern Tucson Up to the top of Mount Lemmon get there at sunrise and then come back down about 72 miles as I recall with about 7 ,100 feet of climbing

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Man, that was so enjoyable. You go. Why don't you do it now heart? My heart conditions become

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Random back then it would only happen in certain situations. It wasn't gonna happen while I was out there now

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I have no confidence so Can't do that anymore.

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So but the point is if you come to Reform Con Make sure to leave enough time to for if you have three four hours drive up the top

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Mount Lemmon You'll you'll thank me and certainly by April There is a ski station up on Mount Lemmon, it's 9 ,000 9 ,000 9 ,100 feet about sea level.

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Yeah but Not in Arizona in April. It will be very nice up there

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So going up there and there's a beautiful little town up there called summer Haven some neat little

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Shops and restaurants and it's a great little day trip too. If you head up that direction and be really really really cool

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Okay, and looking at my feed here whoop Stop doing that.

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I don't see any others To respond to there so hey, it's we it's not like we announced we're gonna be doing this

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So I understand why there might be fewer 1 ,400 people 1 ,400 people.

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I'm in a hotel room. This is amazing. It isn't it amazing. I mean, I Know you young people

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Don't get this you just don't get this But I was saying to being his program we were talking about what happened with the

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Jesus seminar this is back for the Internet The idea that you could go to a hotel

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Set up a couple peak electronic devices and Have the opportunity to talk about apologetics and books to read and topics like this to 1 ,400 people

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From your hotel room No one a few people have thought of it there there were some visionaries

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That that foresaw stuff like an Apple watch and stuff like that but it's astonishing and I'll just start wrapping up with this.

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You know how you used to communicate with people it was called a mailing list and You know how you did that you did bulk mail

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Bulk mail now there are people still do bulk mail. It's probably done primarily by computers these days

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But when Alpha Omega Ministries did it I did it pretty much me.

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I mean there were sometimes we'd have volunteers, but when it had to get done Had to get done Folding stapling

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Addressing. I remember when we first got it It's called D base back then remember that database

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Spreadsheet program with addresses and Printing out labels and Then labeling all these you know and of course

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I had written almost everything in what was called the dividing line that was what the publication was and So I had written the articles we had print them out normally.

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I'm like a dot matrix printer until we got a laser printer and then my dad would print it at the

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North Phoenix Baptist Church print shop and And Then we'd have to fold it staple it mutilate it

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Put the stuff on and then sort it. Oh man sorting all those things you put them in bags and then finally after hours and hours and hours of work you drag it off to the post office and hope that most of them got delivered and And You can communicate

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So much more easily now than you could back then I don't

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I think eventually we had 14 1500 people in the mailing list at least

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But here we are and I'm sitting here looking at this one thousand four hundred and forty seven My how times have changed and I think what also has changed is at least when people got those publications they had some semblance of an understanding of how much work had gone into it and Now today people can just hop on to one of these things and talk to thousands of people

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How much work goes into that how worth? What's it worth how worthwhile is it is the real question

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Really is I was thinking about talking about Andrew Tate. We're not gonna get into Andrew Tate right now. It's too depressing anyways

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But he said more incredibly vile and stupid things and I'll try to remember next week.

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We'll make a comment about that but What? His fall is gonna be great his fall is gonna be great

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I can only hope really about the only thing you pray for Andrew Tate is that God takes his health away and humbles him

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Because the worst thing could ever happen to him is if he remains in awesome physical shape as Arrogant as he is now until the day he dies because he needs to be humbled and He wouldn't know humility if it walked up and slapped him in the face.

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He really wouldn't so anyways, that's another topic for another time and so Rich has made this fairly simple for me to get out of here.

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I'm supposed to just click a button and Everything is supposed to work

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But we know how things like that work. So thanks for watching the program today and My hope is

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Monday or Tuesday of next week to get another program in from this hotel before we head to Jonesboro and then

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Hopefully on the way home, I'll have enough energy to do a report on the debates and stuff like that on a future program