March 25, 2021 Show with David J. Engelsma on “Spousal Abuse in the Reformed Community”

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And I am thrilled to have back on the program by popular demand one

of my favorite guests, truly one of my most knowledgeable and brilliant

and biblically informed guests.

His name is David J. Engelsma, and he is an author,

professor of dogmatics and Old Testament studies for over 20 years at Protestant Reformed

Seminary in Granville, Michigan, an emeritus professor since the Synod of

2008.

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magazine from 1988 to 2002, and he is a lecturer, a

preacher, touring in North America and throughout the British Isles on behalf of the British Reformed Fellowship,

which is devoted to the spread and defense of the Reformed faith in the United Kingdom.

Today we are addressing a very controversial theme, which is also the theme of a

booklet that David Engelsma has written, Spousal Abuse

in the.

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David Engelsma.

Thank you for having me.

By the way,

I'd like to send.

You greetings from two folks that are avid listeners to this program.

One is Ernie Springer, who you undoubtedly recognize

that name.

He is the author of a book that I have conducted so

far two interviews on, and I'm getting prepared to conduct a third on

this book, a very important book that should be in the hands of every Christian and perhaps

especially every pastor, Coronavirus and the Leadership of the Christian Church, a Sacred

Trust Broken, a book that Ernie co -authored with Joel Yeager, who is actually

my personal physician now, and Dr. Daniel O 'Rourke.

So Ernie sends his greetings, and also you've also received

greetings today from Donald Philip Veitch.

Donald Philip Veitch is the host of Twists House,

a Facebook group named after the 16th century

English reformer William Twist, and he is an enormous

admirer of you and your work and has actually said that you are

one of the nation's finest theologians, and I think that's a very high compliment

coming from someone that is not even of your own fellowship.

He's a reformed Anglican, and so they send their greetings to.

You.

Respond with greetings.

Well, I would humbly accept that compliment

and believe there is some.

Weight to it, and this is the kind of book

that a lot of people who might write such a book or attention to such a

problem would not necessarily point the spotlight in their own backyard, as it were.

Christians are known for writing critical works

against those, critiquing those, exposing those, refuting those

from other theological groups, denominations, religions, and so on,

but you have demonstrated a bit of courage here to write a book

about spousal abuse in the reformed community, you being definitely

a prominent voice in the reformed community, so tell us why you wrote this

book to begin with and why the focus on the reformed community?

Denomination, the ordinary marital

deliberate effort to destroy their

wife.

My callers in my denomination aware of this

at the meeting to test and evaluation

would be

office bearers in my own denomination so that I could present

their analysis of a public lecture to

office bearers in view of the sensitivity of the sub

200 or 300 men were present

forming

them.

Months

later, I've already

referred,

I think, spousal

abuse

in the

reformed

community

been

printed

and there

is

this problem, in your opinion, of epidemic proportions?

Is this.

A lot more widespread than the average Christian and perhaps even more particularly the average.

Reformed

Christian might

think?

I'm

tempted

and

condemned, but I

would say it borders on epidemic to which I have

referred.

Just comment

on

something

and

open up

this matter within

the

denomination of which

I am a

member.

Back on

my own

minute myself.

Praise God for that.

I admire.

That humility and honesty.

I think it might be wise for us right now for you to define what should be

truthfully categorized as abuse because there are obviously

different levels and severities of abuse and in our day and age, our

politically correct day and age, exaggeration seems

to be supreme and I hope that nobody misunderstands me.

I'm not trying to undermine the severity of any kind of

sad and tragic thing that especially a wife in

a marriage is going through.

I don't mean to be insinuating that by my comment, but we

have a day and age when people are publicly accused of being racists when it's

clearly not true and we have people being

accused of being perverse predators when it turns out

that the evidence doesn't show that to be the case.

And so I'm saying that in light of that, that we really have

a good definition to work with.

It may seem like a silly question, but I think it's an important one.

If you could define.

What

you

mean and

what

you

think

should

be

labeled

abuse.

Yes,

never

-ending

assault

on

her,

common degrading and

filthy

degradation that it convinces her that she has no redeeming quality to co

-violence

or the actual forms of physical violence.

And since you mentioned it in your.

Description, I am assuming that you would include in that pure

psychological and emotional trauma through the bombardment of

these nasty, vicious insults that might not necessarily

include a threat of violence or actual violence, but

constantly calling into question a woman's fidelity, especially when she is a

truly faithful spouse, mocking her physical appearance and going

on and on.

And when it is relentless and when it even gets even more

severe than what I just mentioned, I'm assuming that you would include psychological and

emotional traumatizing of a.

Spouse.

Yes.

And in

that

connection,

the young

woman who, by the

abuse of...

Now you said that.

Spouses, wives are very often keeping this a secret.

Immediately comes to mind one of the primary reasons for this must be just that of

pure fear of the vengeance or retribution that the

husband might take against the wife for sharing these dirty little details about

their home life.

But there are probably others, I'm assuming as well, that we might not even readily think of.

What are the reasons that wives typically keep this to themselves?

The

books

that are

written

on

this

subject,

and

since

the

time

that

I

became

comes

known,

she

will

suffer physical violence.

Well, we have to go to

our first

station break.

And if anybody would like to send in a question to David Engelsma of their own, please send it to

ChrisArnzen at gmail .com, C -H -R -I -S -A -R -N -Z -E -N at gmail .com.

Please give us your first name at least, your city and state of residence, and your country of residence if you live outside the USA.

And please only remain anonymous if your question involves a personal and private matter.

And with a subject like this, I could readily understand there being many listeners

who would prefer to remain anonymous because this is a sin,

an abomination occurring right under their own roof or in the homes of people they

know very well.

And so in those cases, I wouldn't identify you even if you did identify

yourself.

But you may wish to remain anonymous if it's about a personal and private matter.

If it's just a theological question, if it's just a general question on

pastoral counsel in this matter, etc., please give us at least your first name, city and state, and

country of residence.

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We are discussing his booklet, Spousal Abuse in the Reformed Community.

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And you said something before that triggered a memory of mine about a

former or previous interview that I had conducted on this same issue.

And I was initially surprised that the guest was

insisting the importance of finding a safe place for the wife

to be relocated.

Because my first reaction was, hey, if this man is the one who is the guilty

party and he is the one that's actually abusing his wife, why not make sure he's removed from the premises

and that he bears the responsibility of finding a place to live?

And my guest very wisely and rightfully responded, yes,

but the husband will know where she is.

And if he's violent, that could present an even more dangerous scenario.

That's why the wife has to be removed and in many circumstances

should be removed and at least temporarily placed in a safe place that

is private, where the husband does not know her whereabouts.

Is that a correct way of further describing the situation?

I think you've described it correctly.

Now, you have said that this has drawn considerable attention, this subject

and your lectures and your booklet have drawn

considerable attention in your denomination since you have had

many discussions with individuals on this subject.

Have you found in your research and your studies and your experience that pastors are

also frequently guilty of this crime and sin?

Unfortunately...

And this is in the local church, these elders, just as the Reformed Baptists typically believe in a plurality of elders,

which we would believe are synonymous with pastors.

All right, that's correct.

It's

a body

of

men

who

govern

that

you

can

call

dangerous

to

the man

over against his abused wife.

Then I'm

reminded

of most

evil

man in this, the

one to whom the woman finally comes, necessarily and understandably,

who is often a rich and popular man in the congregation.

He's a wretched, will

side with that man.

Adding to the situation,

I give the warning,

25 deliberately

refused

women.

But we do have an anonymous listener who says, I have a

friend who is a victim of spousal abuse and she actually

went to the lengths of writing a book about it.

And apparently many of the colleagues of her ex -husband in the

denomination that they were a member of have turned on her and defrauded her.

And I was wondering if you have gotten the negative feedback from the

pastoral end of it in your own denomination.

I have come under attack.

The

question

is,

what

does

God

say?

Nor words, nor gestures.

My

neighbor,

hatred,

anger,

and

displeasement.

Hates

women in unholy

and informed churches.

That's murder.

Then the last question, we do not kill any man in the

manner mentioned above.

For when God forbids envy, hatred, and anger, he commands us to love

mercy and all kindness towards him and to prevent his hurt as much as in us lies.

And that we do good, even to explain enough in such

a way that

he

patiently

comes to the

elders of

just regard.

That men are abusing their wives in the reformed and Calvinistic.

They're not dealing with the sin in the church of murder as they ought to be dealing with it.

In fact, we're going to pick up right where you left off.

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professor anglesma the question of how

severe must circumstances be before one calls the police i'm sure is a very

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could wind up in even deadly consequences in some circumstances.

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I'll answer that question

accusation of serious sin murder

with regard to the

conversation

until she means also that he listens

sympathetically what the one who comes

sure the elder must receive.

The woman must

listen

to

her

speak

also but he receives her he listens to her.

The woman has brought to the pastor

or

to

the

elders

to

respond.

They will inevitably find out the

government

of the

church

the sinner by the elders and eventually if he doesn't repeal

the matter because

instead

of murdering his wife with the husband to

try to bring him to repentance

living

separately

from the husband

he

has

left

sure

the

elders

ought

to

be.

In fact he may have already begun physically harming her she may wind up on the doorstep of

her elders already visibly and obviously battered and bruised.

That's correct and then they ought to involve them

essentially has to be

involved to compel him to support his wife and his children financially.

That's when we

do have a listener.

A very faithful and generous supporter of iron chirping's iron radio in

ashborough north carolina grady who asks.

Greetings brothers this is heart -wrenching.

What has been the reaction of the husbands involved.

I assume that they're confronted and church discipline is enforced.

Are they involved in pornography.

I guess this would be a different answer according to the different

circumstances because this is not a cookie cutter situation.

But perhaps you could even just speak about percentages professor angles as far as how

the husbands react in your own experience do.

Or what percentage of them come to repentance and admit their guilt and

and so on according to the questions grady asked.

Your questioner is astute almost always.

Well he says what is the reaction of the husbands involved.

Important part of the matter too.

Invariably his

wife will deny it.

He will

deny it

guilty

of

that

sin

with regard to the vow he took regarding that fundamental vow.

Thank you

grady.

Keep listening to iron chirping's iron radio and keep spreading the word about the program.

In ashborough north carolina and beyond we have an anonymous listener who said earlier in the

program you had mentioned that you are getting some very negative feedback from pastors in

your own denomination.

Are they giving you negative feedback because they are denying the reality of the

magnitude of this problem in your denomination.

Or are they giving you negative feedback even knowing and admitting that this is a reality in your

denomination.

I mustn't exaggerate opening

up

this

with regard to how we must treat this.

One thing that i forgot to ask you and follow up to what you were just saying before that question

you were responding to grady's question about how the husbands

respond.

What has been the reaction of the husbands involved he asked.

And you started talking about denial but i don't recall if you said that was the majority

of the husbands who are confronted is it the majority that that deny the truthfulness of the accusations

against them.

It's virtually to be expected that when confronted by the consistory the authorities in the church with the

accusation against him of the wife he will deny it at the first.

We hate to bring up this reality because of the

wrong way this may be interpreted especially by women listening who have been victims who have been traumatized maybe

permanently mentally scarred and physically scarred because of these things.

But we just know it's a reality.

Even from what we have seen in the media after the kavanaugh hearings

and so on that there are women who do falsely accuse men of these things.

In fact it is quite tragic that especially when

women are attempting to get sole custody of children and so on

they have accused the husbands of not only abusing them but their children.

And very often or at least i'm not an expert on the

statistics but at least it has been proven that a considerable

percentage of the time these accusations have later proven to be false.

How are things like this typically determined with a consistory and so on.

It's certainly necessary to establish the truth of

the

charges

of

the

begin

by 10

times

of god and they have to actually.

We have another anonymous listener who says in your experience how often is the husband

actually the victim of abuse.

We know that according to even what the scriptures have to say the woman is the weaker vessel.

But you do have certain circumstances where you may have a disabled husband a husband who's much older than his

wife or perhaps even a situation where he is such a gentleman he refuses

to react in a physical manner to stop the physical brutality he may be receiving.

What is your experience on this?

In my own experience

two churches for 25 years before

he

and

seven.

But the original mate.

Is it even less likely that a woman is going to

to divorce her husband because there's no possibility of remarriage for her.

We have one more break to go to much shorter break than the last breaks.

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personal and private matter to bring up.

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vital subject a subject that needs to be addressed that sadly very often is swept

under the rug and avoided and from which people both in the

pew and in the pulpit tend to hide all too often.

Unfortunately that is spousal abuse.

And specifically we are addressing spousal abuse in the reformed community.

If you have a question i would send it in immediately because we are going to be out of time before you know it.

And we do have another anonymous question who says how often in your experience are the

husbands who are guilty of spousal abuse brought to true repentance and restoration

in the fellowship and the marriage.

So

we're

talking

about almost

never is

respond by denying it.

And one thing they should not

have over

of

his

wife of

the church

and

christ's

headship

was not

a headship

lifelong suffering and especially

his death on the ground with

regard to marriage and that's how they respond to

the of his wife

to give yourself on behalf

of the yes and

we are supposed to be loving our wives.

As christ loved the church and if husbands think that being the

head of the household and being an authority over their wives

give them permission and license and liberty to abuse their own wives

then they should be expecting christ to be miserably

torturing them for the rest of their lives.

People don't usually think these things logically through and we could even say the same thing

for the civil authorities they have a realm of authority over our lives but that

does not mean that we should sit back and be silent when tyranny rises.

Call again

with one

of the women

with whom i was working.

That subject came up.

We

have a

listener

who

tuned in

late.

And you've already answered all his questions so i'm going to tell mike in monroe new

york listen to the recording of the program tomorrow when it is archived at ironsharpensironradio

.com and you could hear those answers to your questions.

But perhaps you have something to add i'll just rattle through them right now before we run out of time.

Um uh if there is physical violence involved are we obligated to report this to the

police.

Especially if the husband is not remorseful or shows any sign of true contrition.

How can we be sure that a violent husband would not put on an act in order to avoid arrest.

Anything further to add to what you've already said on that.

I have checked with a lawyer acquaintance and friend of mine and the law does not require wife.

Wow really.

Wow.

Well do you have some final words that you'd like to say in summary to give to our

listeners what you most want etched in their hearts and minds regarding this topic.

That evil must be explored.

Professor anglesma even though this was a difficult subject it was nonetheless a

joy to have you back on the program and a delight.

I do want to let our listeners know that professor anglesma is returning

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So i hope that you mark your calendars for that very important interview which

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Professor anglesma can you let our listeners know where they can get a copy of the booklet that we've been

addressing for the last two hours spousal abuse in the reformed community.

That is available

and

everybody

who

sent in

questions today.

Uh will receive a copy so make sure you give us your full mailing address and

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