Join Us: Help End Abortion Now

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December 16, 2017

This is our year-end celebration and update for Apologia Church's ministry. This will encourage you and inspire you and, we hope, will embolden you to join with us on our mission to end abortion now. God has used your labor along with us to raise up 275 local churches across the United States that are saving lives every week. We have been able, through your partnership, to create Gospel-centered content in the area of abortion that has reached millions upon millions of people around the country and world. We were able to bring 100 churches to our national conference and we paid for many pastors and leaders to come. We give free training and free resources to churches across the nation. We have been able to connect thousands of Christians to their local legislatures to demand justice for the unborn. We thank all of you who partnered with us for 2017. We ask that you partner with us again for 2018 to end abortion now. Go to http://endabortionnow.com for donate and to get equipped.

00:00: Hey guys, welcome. I am Pastor Jeff Durbin with Apologia Church and EndAbortionNow .com.
00:05: We want to thank you so very much for tuning in and watching this very special program that we have for you guys.
00:13: It's our year -end update and announcement of encouragement for all that God has done this last year.
00:21: A year ago, we put out a video letting everybody know that God had blessed us with a wonderful opportunity in 2017 to be a light for the gospel in the area of abortion and to do so in a way that would bless other local churches across the country to have them involved in the same work that we were involved in.
00:38: We had a plan to create platforms that would engage on a regular basis with the
00:44: Christian church and really with the world in relation to the gospel and abortion.
00:50: We wanted to engage the culture, we wanted to go to the root of the problem in so many different areas and speak with the biblical worldview and the biblical gospel across a broad spectrum of things that lead to abortion in our country.
01:02: We wanted to equip the church nationwide. We wanted to be able to provide resources to the church through really a media blitz and just producing content related to abortion in light of the gospel really nationwide in 2017.
01:19: We also wanted to have a conference where we would be able to have pastors and leaders of churches to come out and to essentially be encouraged and equipped to go back home and be involved with us nationwide, with the church to end abortion immediately in our nation.
01:34: We wanted to save lives, we wanted to provide a ministry for justice and mercy with local churches across the country.
01:41: And we also wanted to provide a national platform where churches could get connected, they could get free training, they can get free resources, and they can go in their local areas to their abortion mills and to provide justice and mercy for these fatherless children and take care of the mothers and fathers that are going in.
01:59: We did that through endabortionnow .com. We also wanted to speak consistently to our local legislatures to demand an immediate end to abortion in our nation.
02:09: And this last year, God surprised us. He really did. We knew that God was in this.
02:16: God was providing for every need that we had. He was giving us a passion for this. He was getting us connected to churches nationwide.
02:23: We knew that He was in this work, but this last year has really surprised a lot of us in many respects.
02:30: I mean, the conference that we did this last year was just a small element of what we planned to do, just to get people initially connected.
02:37: And there were about 100 churches from across the United States that came, that were connected.
02:42: We were able to pay for the pastors and leaders to come out. We had churches from Alaska to Maine and Florida and California, across the
02:52: United States, that showed up to get connected and to be about the same mission. So that was a huge blessing in itself.
02:58: And then when it comes to the media content that we put out, it was seen by millions upon millions upon millions of people.
03:05: That was a tremendous encouragement to us to see all of you guys participating with us. You were sharing the content, and people were seeing those videos.
03:13: We had people message us that were going to have an abortion. They saw the content, and then they turned away from it. We had messages from people that saw the content, and then they actively got involved in their local area, and they're saving lives to this day.
03:25: And so God just provided a tremendous blessing for us, and means to be able to communicate the message of the gospel in the area of abortion.
03:33: So the media content itself was a tremendous blessing to be a part of. We also created two platforms this last year, and that was
03:40: Next Week with Jeff Durbin. It was a weekly engagement show that had the heart of the show, End Abortion Now, to get people connected and to essentially equip people in that area and to notify them they could do this sort of a thing.
03:53: We experienced a bit of a lull at one point of the year where we were stuck at around, I think, 150, 165 local churches.
04:00: And then when we launched the platform Next Week with Jeff Durbin, we have now 275 local churches across the country.
04:08: So that was a huge blessing in itself. So 100 churches connected after Next Week with Jeff Durbin. We also have the platform with our director of communications,
04:17: Zach Conover. We started, and that platform itself is called This Is Why. And This Is Why is really an important platform itself because that is a resource to talk about what is the problem in terms of the pro -life movement and its methodology.
04:33: And we've addressed those concerns. We've spoken about the inconsistencies of that movement. We've spoken about the need to be a gospel -centered ministry that stands on the
04:42: Word of God when you speak to the culture about the grace of God and the salvation available in Christ, but also about the issue of abortion.
04:49: We believe it can only be addressed consistently from a Christian perspective. And so we had those platforms launched.
04:55: God has blessed that. We also did something beginning this year that we didn't anticipate being able to do, and that is at endabortionnow .com,
05:03: we were able to get a tab put on there that's essentially a service that costs many thousands of dollars to have.
05:13: We didn't anticipate having that expense or having that resource, but we thought it was really important to do so.
05:19: So we went ahead and we got that resource, put it on the page, and now Christians across the country can go to endabortionnow .com,
05:26: they can click on the legislator tab, and they can just put their information in. It takes just really, I mean, a few minutes.
05:33: Put their information in and click send, and it sends a preformed letter to their local legislature demanding an immediate end to abortion in their area.
05:42: And that service has already been used by thousands and thousands and thousands of Christians across the country. So God really blessed with that.
05:49: We also wanted to do a consistent, well, we wanted to have a consistent message to the legislature, wherever it may be, whether it's local or nationally, we wanted to speak prophetically to them.
06:04: And to do that, we knew we had to create content that spoke towards the problem, and we also provided a means to do so.
06:10: And so we were able to do that through the legislature tab, but we also did that this year by traveling to Idaho, to Kentucky, to speak to local legislators in their areas who are working to criminalize and end abortion in their area.
06:25: And so we shared that content with you guys on Next Week with Jeff Durbin. We shared it across our social media platforms.
06:32: We got you connected to those legislators and let you guys know about what they're about to be doing.
06:37: And so we have every plan to get involved, to help and notify people about the message that they're saying.
06:44: And so we have so much more to do. God has given us such a tremendous opportunity as a local church to have a justice and mercy ministry that affects not only our local community here at Apologia Church, but it also affects
06:58: Christians nationwide, and it actually works to bring justice and mercy to image bearers of God across the nation.
07:07: 275 local churches across the country have been connected. So if you consider, if you partnered with us this last year, if you prayed for us, if you gave financially to this work, just know that we are so grateful for what you did and just know that God blessed us beyond what we expected.
07:25: So 275 local churches across the country, we raised $250 ,000 towards this work in 2017.
07:33: In comparison to the pro -life movement nationally and the money that they raised to do what they do, that is just a drop in the bucket.
07:40: But what God did with that is beyond comprehension, truly.
07:46: If you consider it, 275 local churches with $250 ,000 raised, it's under $1 ,000 to get a local church involved in this work that becomes in itself a truly biblical crisis pregnancy center that has centered on the gospel, that's a work of the local church that provides for the needs of mothers and fathers, that cares for them, that saves the lives of children and that is actively involved in even discipleship with those women.
08:17: And so for under $1 ,000 this last year, God allowed us to get 275 churches, which is less than $1 ,000 to get a local church involved in this fight.
08:31: Also with the numbers, 275 churches across the country, we have some churches that saved 130 children, some 30, some 20.
08:40: We just did some numbers and we said, what if 275 churches save just 10, just save 10 babies a year?
08:48: Some of them are doing much more than that, but let's say they save just 10 a year, that would be $90 to save a life, $90.
08:57: That's just tremendous and we didn't expect those kinds of results and it can only be
09:04: God, it can only be God. So I just wanted to encourage you guys this next couple of hours here, we're going to share with you guys all the content that we have been producing.
09:13: We're going to share with you guys encouraging testimonies. We're going to share with you guys the lives that have been saved and we're going to ask you guys to pray with us for this next year of ministry and to partner with us once again in 2018 financially so that we can actually bring this to the next phase for Apology of Church and that's getting more churches involved.
09:33: We have a goal of 250 more churches that are connected with end abortion now and are about this ministry in 2018.
09:41: We also have an emphasis this year, of course, we're going to have a conference, but that's really minuscule in terms of our goals.
09:48: We're going to continue with the media frenzy that we've created to flood the internet with gospel -centered content around abortion and we, of course, this year want to focus heavily on being a prophetic voice in the area of legislation to bring justice and mercy in the area of abortion.
10:07: So I want to introduce you guys to this next clip. People often ask us, is this important ministry to be involved in?
10:14: Should we do this as Christians? Is it even effective? That question was asked to me years ago when
10:20: I began myself as a pastor of a local church, getting involved in this work. We've saved about 100 lives locally, but I want to say it is absolutely necessary to be involved in this work.
10:31: Notwithstanding the scripture, Proverbs 24, verse 11, we have proof, demonstrable, irrefutable proof that God does bless this ministry and He uses it.
10:48: So why engage in the area of abortion? We want to have that answered by showing you guys this next clip.
11:14: You walk out of here, the mother and father of a dead child, and the guilty party, the one who is guilty, you're not innocent.
11:24: There's no excuse. The Bible says something about that.
11:29: There's no dialogue. I don't have any hate in my heart for you,
11:36: Amber. I care for you. I want you to know Jesus. I want you to be forgiven, lost.
11:44: Maybe that you've led in there to be slaughtered. That we'll help you with every single thing you need.
11:51: I've seen hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of girls come out of here, and I've never seen one sorry that they did.
11:59: Please, come out and accept the help that we have to offer. We can help you. So this shows,
12:05: I think, the importance of the discussion, is the Christians are the ones that are saying, we need to look at rationality and science, and we need to look at reason, and we need to look at DNA and chromosomes.
12:14: We need to look at objective truth here. And what you see on the other side is people saying, yeah, but it's more about feelings and emotions.
12:21: What do I want for myself? There are consequences to this, this day. If you do not turn to Christ, consequences for you for eternity.
12:33: So I can't do what I want with my own body, can I? You can do what you want with your body, you just can't do anything with anybody else's body.
12:39: So let me try this. A person should be able to do what they want with their own body. We shouldn't be allowed to just abuse other people's bodies.
12:50: Absolutely. Okay. Planned Parenthood is built upon lies.
13:03: It's built upon a bankrupt position that human beings ought to be able to murder their own children.
13:11: And you might think that they've actually become creative enough to think about some answers that would be compelling.
13:17: They don't have them. Come out of here today.
13:24: Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So where do we go with that when you're in your argument of preserving life?
13:30: We love those people. We come alongside them. We try to show them a better way. We minister to their conscience.
13:35: We minister to their needs. We care for them. We come alongside those. I'm in agreement with you, actually, fundamentally, that we shouldn't be able to harm other people's bodies, which is precisely what's happening in there.
13:45: I'm glad you joined us. So that answers the question in terms of why engage.
14:12: You know, it's interesting. I was before we started filming this, I was out at a store and I had two guys walk up to me and they recognized me from our online ministry.
14:24: And they were just saying how grateful they were for the ministry that we're involved in, how excited they were.
14:29: And it was just such a blessing to hear that God is using that. But they brought up the question of the abortion ministry, and they said, yeah, we'd love to get involved in that.
14:38: And the one guy said, but what is that like? Are you going out there out of love for these people?
14:43: What's that like? And I could tell that he wasn't really familiar with this kind of ministry, and it was probably very shocking to him to hear that there's a ministry that goes out and calls people to turn from the murder of their children and offers help.
14:56: And what I said to him was that this is absolutely necessary. Not only is it actually a command of Scripture, and that needs to be embraced.
15:05: God commands us. He commands us as his people to rescue those who are being taken away to death, hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.
15:14: Now just consider this. The next part of that verse is so important to listen to. It says, Behold, we did not know this.
15:21: Does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it? And will he not repay man according to his work?
15:30: That's devastating. It really is, and it was one of the things that challenged me early on in terms of getting involved in a ministry like this.
15:37: Well, what I said to these young men was that God commands this kind of work, and I said that this is not pretty ministry.
15:44: It's not easy. This is not like we're doing this Saturday at Apologia Church. We're going out to do abortion, sorry, homeless outreach where we feed them, take care of their needs.
15:53: We give them little goody bags with socks and those sorts of things. That ends with a hug. These people afterwards are hugging us.
15:59: Now you go to do abortion mill ministry, and people try to hit you with their cars. They throw stuff at you. You might get beat up.
16:05: We had a friend who was knocked unconscious, and he was continually beaten while he was unconscious. This is ugly ministry.
16:12: The people who are going in will curse you out. People are threatening towards you. You can get arrested.
16:18: You can get charged with crimes just for being out there, as one of our friends was last week.
16:23: So this is not easy ministry. It is not pretty ministry. You are really at the gates of hell.
16:30: You are really confronting darkness where it is most dark outside of those abortion mills, but God commands us to this kind of work.
16:37: If you think about the accusation made to the early church in the book of Acts, they were being accused of filling
16:42: Jerusalem up with this teaching. That is what the early church was involved in. They were involved in public proclamation, the heralding of the gospel, the defense of the gospel in the public square, in the marketplace.
16:55: That is where they brought it. They were bringing the gospel in the hardest places. So you want to know why the church turned the world upside down in the first century.
17:03: It is the same God and the same gospel. It is just that their methodology was to go out to where people were at and to even create riots, not on purpose, but through the faithful proclamation of the word of God.
17:14: That is what turned the world upside down in the first century. We believe that is what God calls us to today.
17:19: So why engage with the gospel? I would say, number one, because God commands it. Also, if you think of the fruit of the labor, there are some churches that are connected with end abortion now, right now that are going out with the same message.
17:32: They have saved more children than Apologia Church in their local area. The fruit of the ministry is undeniable.
17:39: When you hold these babies in your arms who have been saved from death, just moments away from it, it changes you.
17:47: There is no question. It changes you for good, and you cannot go back once you have experienced that tremendous blessing of holding these children in your arms.
17:56: When someone says, why engage? Again, God commands it, but also look at the fruit of the ministry.
18:02: Recently, you can go look at it on YouTube at Apologia Studios. We went to Kentucky to the last standing abortion mill in Kentucky.
18:10: We recorded that, and I got to speak to the women who were inside the lobby there. If you watch that video, you will see the message we deliver, the spirit in which we deliver it.
18:18: You will also see that after that message was preached to those women, there was a life saved, at least one life saved, where the woman walked out after the preaching and a life was saved.
18:29: So why engage? Well, God commands it. The gospel is the power of God for salvation. And I would say, look at the fruit.
18:37: Look at the fruit. You guys last year, you believed what God was doing.
18:42: You prayed for us. You gave financially, and because you did, 2017 ended with, if you put it all together, probably thousands of lives saved from death because of your labor with us through Apologia Church.
18:59: Next, I'm going to show you this video again in terms of why engaging with the gospel. Why use the gospel?
19:04: Why stand in the word of God? I want to warn you as we play this clip that there is cursing. This is not easy to watch, but this will answer the question, why engage with the gospel?
19:14: Please take a look. This is what
19:23: Planned Parenthood has to offer. Cowbell. Substantial, meaningful questions to music, and they shake a cowbell.
19:36: This is the premier example of Planned Parenthood supporters. They love death.
19:44: They have no argumentation. This is their response to a question. Laugh. You need to come to Christ and live.
19:53: Sir, sir, I love you, and I want you to know you can be forgiven in Christ, my friend.
20:00: You can have eternal life for the God that you've sinned against. Christians, you can do this.
20:07: You can bring the gospel to this place. You can do like people did this week in Las Vegas.
20:12: They began abortion ministry, saved two children. You just need to be here with the gospel. You need to come.
20:18: You need to speak the light of the gospel into this place. You need to reach these people with love because they are a part of the culture of death.
20:30: We want you to know something, just the last thing I'll say to you, and I really appreciate you stopping. Of course. We're here because we're forgiven, because we're saved.
20:38: God loves us. He died for our sins and rose from the dead. And the message is that all who turn from their sin to come to him will be forgiven, and that's what we want for you.
20:46: That's the message. I appreciate that. I appreciate you, James. God bless you, man. You too. Thank you. If you are right, and the world is the way that you say it is, then all of our disagreements don't matter anyways.
20:58: There's no justice or right ahead of any of us at all. All of this is meaningless and purposeless anyway, if your view is right.
21:05: If I'm right, then that comes with some serious implications and consequences.
21:11: If I'm right, that means that you truly are in the image of God, valued, worthy of dignity and love, but also you're fallen, just like me before Christ, and you need peace with God.
21:22: We know, obviously we have the gospel, we have the true message of eternal life, but we also have science, biology on our side.
21:29: The woman's body is biologically and scientifically different from the child's body, and everything that you heard right there is nothing more than hostile rebellion against God.
21:40: Christian, that's why you need to bring the gospel to these places of death, because it's not just the men and the women going inside to murder their child that need it, it's lost people like that, and that's why you need to be here.
21:56: An important aspect of this entire mission is to make the biblical worldview, the word of God, the foundation of our fight.
22:03: The pro -life movement in the United States and now what they're shipping out internationally to places like Ireland is an abysmal failure in many respects, but in particular it's a failure in terms of it fails to be gospel -centered and it fails to be fundamentally a
22:20: Christian mission. And so why engage with the gospel? The answer is because the reason for abortion is we're rebels against God.
22:30: The reason for abortion is Romans 3. It says there is none righteous, no, not one, none who seeks for God.
22:35: Their throats are open graves. There is no fear of God before their eyes. And it says that their feet are swift to shed blood.
22:41: Their feet are swift to shed blood. So why does abortion exist? It exists because we're fallen.
22:47: And one of the interesting things that needs to be addressed, not interesting, it's an important element that cannot be missed, and the pro -life movement misses it, is that you can convince people all day long on the biological elements of this entire discussion.
23:03: You can talk about the, of course, the sled argument, and we use that as well in terms of answering that objection.
23:10: And you can demonstrate that it's a human being by nature in the womb. You can do that all day long, and we do, but what you'll hear oftentimes is people will say,
23:18: I don't care that it's a human being. I don't care that it's a baby. I should still be able to murder my own child. I should still be able to kill my child.
23:25: If you don't believe me, you need to watch the content we recorded this year so you can see people saying that to us. It is about the gospel.
23:32: People need a heart change. The people going into the mills need a heart change. They need a new heart before God.
23:38: They need reconciliation with God. And the people who are driving by those mills, they need to hear the gospel.
23:44: And one of the things you may have noticed this last year as we've put out content, we've livestreamed outside the abortion mill, is that the community around the abortion mill sees what's going on outside the abortion mill, and they start engaging as well.
23:59: It's not just about the women and men going inside the abortion mill. It's about being a prophetic, biblical, gospel -saturated voice to the world around the abortion mill.
24:09: And you have probably noticed that taking place this last year, and some of the content that we've shared with you, you've seen it.
24:15: I'll just say this before I introduce this next clip. This last year, VICE, the internationally renowned documentary channel,
24:24: VICE, they have content, their own channel. They have content across social media. They make some of the greatest documentaries today.
24:32: They're obviously very liberal in their perspective, but it's high -quality stuff, very beautifully done, well -done media.
24:39: They, because of the noise they've been making, they heard about us, and they wanted to come and talk to me and get sort of a perspective of what we're doing here.
24:46: And we made so much noise that they came out to do a documentary on us, and that should be coming out soon.
24:52: I don't expect it to be very positive in terms of weighted towards making us look good, but it's still our ability to speak to the culture.
25:02: What's interesting is that even seeing VICE come out towards us and asking us questions, they were,
25:09: I think, surprised in many respects by the consistency in terms of specifically Christian ministry.
25:14: That's one of the reasons they wanted to interview us, because we're a Christian church that's engaged in this fight and being a light to the culture.
25:24: And so having the gospel as the foundation is the only effective means to address the issue of abortion in our nation.
25:32: Because you know what? If abortion was made illegal tomorrow on any other ground than Christ, then we haven't solved the problem of our culture.
25:41: It's still a culture of death. It's still a culture that's in rebellion to God, and they still need Jesus. You could stop somebody from killing their child, but if you don't give them the good news of salvation in Christ, it's a band -aid ultimately.
25:54: So you must engage with the gospel and the biblical worldview to be philosophically consistent, to be biblically consistent, and to actually be
26:01: Christian in this fight. So I want to introduce you to this next clip we're going to be playing for you guys.
26:07: You've seen this before. Marcus, this is the one we played last year, am I right? Yeah. Okay. So this is a clip that you all saw last
26:14: December, and this was the clip where we notified all of our friends and all of our partners about an amazing opportunity we had.
26:23: We had a friend of ours who contacted us. He has a passion to end abortion in our nation, a wonderful and solid brother in Christ who had the ability last year to give to us some money to work on our goal, our plan, which we've been sitting on for a while.
26:39: He offered us $125 ,000 in matching donations to get to our goal, and we met our goal because of your faithfulness and your love and your support.
26:49: And so we let everybody know about what our plan was for the year. We wanted to create a platform, platforms to have weekly content that engaged the culture with the biblical worldview.
27:03: We provided news content and commentary on cultural issues and to mobilize the church across the nation to end abortion immediately, and we were able to do that.
27:13: We also wanted to provide a conference where we got everyone essentially equipped and made ready and everyone goes back home to do the same kind of work that we were doing.
27:23: We wanted to provide a platform where people can come and get free training and free resources, and I want to stress that.
27:29: What we've done with endabortionnow .com, all of it, all of it, all of it has been absolutely free.
27:41: No church had to pay for us to ship stuff to them. No church had to pay for the resources.
27:47: No church had to pay for the training. Everything was free, and we were even able to bring out pastors and leaders of churches for free.
27:56: We footed the bill to bring them out, to get them connected and trained to send them back, so we did that as well, but we also had the opportunity over this last year to speak prophetically to our culture in terms of the legal aspect of this fight, and some of that content you guys can see on This Is Why.
28:12: That's a platform we created with our director of communications, Zachary Conover.
28:18: We created that itself to be a training resource for the church nationwide in terms of consistent philosophical and Christian and legislative fight in the area of abortion, and so we got to do all of that, and God blew it up.
28:36: Not only was it millions and millions and millions of views and millions of hours watched of content, but it was also everything we wanted and more with getting churches connected with the conference, everything we wanted and more with the legislative aspect, but we have more coming in 2018.
28:52: Take a look at last year's video. Imagine the end of abortion now.
28:58: Your donation will be focused towards three strategic battle plans. First, mobilizing, equipping, and providing resources.
29:06: We're going to build a national movement made up of local churches across the country. We're going to teach
29:11: Christians how to do ministry outside of their local abortion clinics. We're going to be holding a national conference in order to teach and equip pastors and church leaders to start their own abortion ministries locally as well as how to mobilize and partner with other churches nearby.
29:27: Oh, and by the way, we're buying a bunch of pastors plane tickets so they can join us too. Second, critical engagement through media.
29:34: We're creating a revolutionary media infrastructure that will produce content from a Christian worldview.
29:40: This new media platform will inform and connect people around the world, broadcast live news programming, provide sharp and cutting commentary from a
29:48: Christian worldview, and will finally allow a consistent and uncompromising biblical worldview to bring the truth about abortion into the mainstream conversation.
29:57: We want to flood the internet with content that engages with the gospel in such a way that it changes the conversation of our culture.
30:04: Third, legislation. With gospel -centered media educating the nation, and the churches equipped and ready to fight with a consistent
30:12: Christian position, we'll move towards applying pressure on local, state, and federal governments to finally, once and for all, end abortion now.
30:22: Join us, and let's match the entire $125 ,000 donation by visiting
30:29: EndAbortionNow .com. So, one of the exciting things that we got to do this last year was we got to create platforms for regular engagement with the
30:41: Christian community and outside the Christian community in the area of abortion related to a gospel -centered fight against abortion.
30:50: And so, we knew, and this is unfortunate, and I just want to be completely transparent with everybody, we knew that if we did simply a weekly show on abortion, we knew that the numbers would unfortunately be very, very small.
31:03: We wouldn't be able to have the kind of reach that we wanted to have. We also recognized that we need to break out of the
31:09: Reformed ghetto and get out to Christians really in the more broad stream across our nation to fight against abortion as Christians.
31:19: We knew that we needed to break out of that, and so we wanted to create a platform where we could have a weekly engagement with the church across the country.
31:27: We could address cultural issues, broad cultural issues with the biblical worldview, all things ultimately leading to the culture of death in our nation.
31:36: And we wanted to have that platform consistently alerting the church to important things in the area of our fight, talking to legislators and all the rest.
31:46: And we wanted to be able to constantly point Christians back to endabortionnow .com to get connected.
31:51: The blessing of it is that we were sort of hung at about 150 to 165 churches.
31:57: We launched next week, we went all the way up to about 275 churches. So we were able to add like 100 churches since launching the next week program.
32:07: So that was a tremendous blessing. So that was the plan. Of course, there was also This is Why, which is incredible.
32:13: I have to say that one of the things that sort of gnaws at me is that This is
32:18: Why hasn't been seen by more people. It's been seen by a lot, but it needs to be seen by a heck of a lot more because it is truly golden.
32:26: I mean, that stuff is amazing. Zach has done a great job. But this is why equipping the church and letting you guys know about the important aspects of,
32:34: I would say, failure in the pro -life movement. And how do we reshape it? How do we reform it, fix it, and make it essentially
32:42: Christian? And so that's been amazing. And here's what's really amazing about it is that our regular engagement platform idea was about one fifth of last year's projected budget.
32:58: So it was really small in terms of the total number that we needed for all that we were going to do. But the blessing of it is that we knew that there was an important element.
33:08: I mean, 100 churches added is pretty awesome. But the blessing is that we actually were able to fund that completely through the giving of a member of Apologia Church.
33:19: So God gave us this incredible opportunity. We had a passion for this thing. And God gave us the ability to do it through a member of Apologia Church, which was incredible.
33:30: And then that platform ended up doing really more than you necessarily expect.
33:36: I mean, so many people saw that content and were made aware of endabortionnow .com.
33:42: And so many churches got connected as a result of that platform. So it was a huge blessing. Again, one fifth of our entire budget.
33:48: It was funded by a member of Apologia Church. It went beyond what we hoped it would do.
33:53: We do have bigger plans for next year to just have regular engagement with the culture, with the biblical worldview, and to constantly point people back to End Abortion Now to get them connected and to get them on and in the fight.
34:06: And the great thing, if I could just say this, is that we knew, and we know we've got to break out of the
34:13: Reformed community and speak to Christians really across the Christian culture to get involved in this fight in a consistent way.
34:21: And next week when Jeff Durbin did that, This Is Why did that, we have a new one coming. Zach, what's it called?
34:26: Is it called This Is Your Baby? Yes. Okay. We have a new one coming called This Is Your Baby that's so awesome.
34:33: You're going to see that. Mark, they're going to see that in this, right? It's coming up. All right, guys. So I wanted to introduce you to that and let you guys take a look at some of what
34:43: God did with the platform that we had hoped would be a blessing, and it was. It was next week with Jeff Durbin.
34:50: Take a look. Welcome, everybody, to the first episode of Next Week with Jeff Durbin.
35:06: I am Jeff Durbin, and this is the only Christian late -night talk show.
35:13: Wonderful news. We just got word that there were two saves, two lives saved in Delaware this week, so praise
35:20: God for that. Yes, God uses the message, and he saves lives.
35:26: We met with a man named Senator Dan Forman. You said that these initiatives have been shot down by the pro -life people, and you're right.
35:36: Some of the pro -life people came to me at the Statehouse and said, you need to stop what you're doing because you're destroying everything we work for.
35:47: If you believe that abortion is morally wrong, then you never have to have one.
35:52: Now, in the 21st century, we have a black woman using the same arguments that people used to keep slavery legal.
35:59: Don't want a slave? Don't own a slave. End abortion now is the heartbeat of this show.
36:04: How many babies do you think have been saved through your efforts outside of that abortion bill? I have never saved one baby, but I've been able to go there and be able to see
36:13: God move, and 20 to 30 girls a month choose lives there. We just got word from some of those
36:19: Christians, actually, that are joined up with us in Pennsylvania, and they sent us some pictures. Twins saved from the work that we're doing right now with endabortionnow .com.
36:33: We wanted, of course, to end the show today as always, pointing everyone to endabortionnow .com.
36:38: Let's go to endabortionnow .com. Endabortionnow .com. Do you see how important it is? This year has been tremendous, and as you can see from the clips from next week, we were able to provide a weekly platform to communicate to the church around the world, of course, but specifically our emphasis across the
37:04: United States weekly about End Abortion Now to get people connected. And so that's been amazing. We got to interview people like Jason Stapleton, Austin Peterson, Doug Wilson.
37:14: We wanted to be able to reach into other communities to promote the gospel, the biblical worldview, and to talk about the issue of abortion, and we were effectively able to do that this year with next week.
37:29: So we want to thank God for that opportunity, and thank God that he provided for us a means to fund that show through a member of Apologia Church.
37:38: He's just been so gracious to us and so faithful to us, and it's been a blessing too because what we were able to see with next week is that we had so many people that saw it, and we did some number crunching and looked around, and it's really a recent platform for us, and it did effectively add a hundred churches to the church count we have for local ministries starting up.
38:04: But it's also one of the shows that has the most live views of Christian media sources, and so that's been great.
38:13: You know, late night shows are like the go -to place for like fireside chats for communities, and so we were able to engage the culture, to talk about abortion, refute pro -abortion argumentation, and to point people to EndAbortionNow.
38:27: So God blessed that in a tremendous way, and so we're just grateful to be a part of it. We have so much more planned, and I just want to point all of you to EndAbortionNow .com.
38:37: We are raising funds for next year's mission. This year we were able to save so many lives and to start so many ministries.
38:45: We have a goal for 250 more local churches in 2018. I actually think we're going to surpass that goal, but we've set a goal for 250 local churches starting next year.
38:56: That would be 500 local churches, over 500 local churches that are now involved in this fight by the end of 2018.
39:03: And if you consider, again, if each church saves 10 children, it's an amazing thing. Many churches are saving much more than that.
39:09: So you can give at EndAbortionNow .com. You can partner with us, be a part of this movement with us.
39:15: It isn't wrong to point to the fact that all of you who participated with us in 2017, if not for your participation, this would not have happened.
39:28: It isn't wrong for me to point out to you that if not for your faithfulness, you were the means of God, and if not for your faithfulness, there are lives that would not have been saved this year.
39:41: That's a tremendous thing to consider. And, you know, hindsight is one thing to think about, but it is true.
39:48: If this didn't exist, if these churches weren't equipped and given resources and trained for this kind of work, if they weren't doing this work, then literally lives would be lost.
39:58: And there's no way to fully understand or comprehend that, but that is the truth of the matter.
40:08: Through your partnership, we were able to be a witness to the culture. We were able to equip churches.
40:13: They got involved. Lives were saved. If there wasn't a participation of Christians just like yourself, then these lives would have been lost.
40:22: And so we're just so grateful and humbled. I'm going to introduce this clip to you guys.
40:27: This is Ray Comfort, a friend of ours with Living Waters Ministries. We've done some stuff with Ray before in the past, and this year we had a really great discussion with Ray about the issue of abortion in our country.
40:37: We think it'll really bless you guys. And as I point you there, I want to remind you that this is a movement of the
40:45: Christian church with the gospel at the center. We wanted to interview
40:50: Ray because that's what he believes about this, and so we think that this will bless you, this conversation.
40:55: We have plans for many more conversations just like this with men like Ray in 2018.
41:01: And these are the kinds of things that open people's eyes to the truth, and they get them involved in the fight. So again, one last time,
41:07: I want to encourage you guys to pray for us, number one. And number two, go to endabortionnow .com, give, and you can partner with us also by sharing this content to let people know about what happened, and also to get them involved with us, partnered with us in this fight to end abortion immediately in our nation.
41:25: Here's Ray. How should we as Christians be talking about abortion? Because you do it in a very particular way that is often different than many in the pro -life movement do, and that's a frustrating thing.
41:36: It's disheartening at times to see people minimize the necessary damage that has to be caused for me to turn away from this awful sin, right?
41:45: And you do it in a way that exposes the true nature of it. You talk about the Holocaust, you bring association. That's a real association.
41:52: The parallel is clear and necessary, and so you talk about it in a way that Scripture would talk about it.
41:58: You talk about it as image of God. You talk about it as sin. You talk about it as murder. You call people to repentance, those sorts of things.
42:04: How should we in the church be talking about abortion to have the impact necessary to see this awful thing end?
42:13: Well, the gospel is the only answer to the abortion issue. We've got to go to the root.
42:18: You know, lay the ax at the root. Abortion epitomizes the wicked nature of mankind.
42:24: To kill your own offspring? I mean, just think if we went around killing puppies, the world would go crazy.
42:29: Or killing kittens. They'd go crazy. Even if the puppy's still in the womb, and we're going to kill this one.
42:35: We don't want it around the house. They'd go crazy, and yet they kill their own offspring because of selfish reasons.
42:40: So you've got to go to the root cause of that selfish reason. When people die without Christ, they're not separated from God.
42:47: They go to hell. It's not a Christless eternity. It's hell. A day doesn't go by when
42:54: I'm not horrified. My breath is taken away with the reality of hell. When I meet someone who's pro -abortion,
43:01: I don't want to talk about abortion. I want to talk about their sin. Because I know the second they repent and trust
43:06: Christ, God's will becomes their will. When I became a Christian, immediately I was pro -life.
43:12: No one talked me into it. I was anti -adultery, anti -fornication, anti -pornography, anti -everything.
43:18: It was an abomination to God because he gave me a new heart and new desires and caused me to walk in his statutes.
43:24: That's the answer. That's how to close up abortion clinics. Close up the heart to sin through the gospel.
43:29: So, Ray, I wanted to ask you a pretty important question that relates to everything you're saying.
43:37: It has to do with the pro -life movement, how the fight has been going for a long period of time.
43:44: We hear people that are leaders in what is called the pro -life movement will say things like, we need to take a backdoor approach.
43:50: We can't make this fight explicitly about Jesus. It needs to not be about God's word,
43:57: God's law. It needs to not be about Jesus. We just have to convince people that it's a human being in the womb.
44:04: That's really our role here where we will see victory and we'll see the heart of the nation changed.
44:09: They just need to know it's a human being in the womb. And so that's how it's often fought. As a matter of fact, I spoke to one of the leaders of the biggest pro -life organization in the nation.
44:20: He was the vice president. And he said exactly that, backdoor approach. Don't talk about scripture.
44:26: Don't make it about the gospel. What do we say to that, Ray? There was an area of road where cars continued to go off a cliff and people would get killed.
44:38: So the council got together and they built an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff or put a hospital at the bottom of the cliff and a morgue.
44:44: That's not dealing with the problem. You've got to straighten the road. And we've got to straighten the road with it. It depends what the issue is with them.
44:51: What's their agenda? Do they want to see people saved from hell? Or do they just want to stop abortion? Well, you stop a woman from having an abortion, she's still going to hell.
44:59: There's still a life at stake in the life of her family. So I want to go to the root of the cause, and the root of the cause is the human heart.
45:09: See, you've got spinoff, you've got homosexuality, you've got adultery, you've got fornication, you've got pornography, you've got abortion. All these issues are destroying society.
45:17: And do we want to fix society? Or do we want to see people saved from damnation, born into the kingdom of God?
45:23: Well, I'm for the second. What do you say to the person, Ray, that says, you know, you did the 180 movie.
45:29: I think it's great as a Christian, I agree with what you said. But, Ray, I don't think it's necessary for us to get involved in these issues.
45:35: Let the world be the world, let the church be the church. Why are you trying to speak into those issues? I mean, just focus on the needs of the church.
45:42: Don't address these difficult issues. Because, you know, Ray, when you say to a woman, this is sin, abortion is sin, you've immediately separated yourself from being able to be a friend to her, to have a relationship with her.
45:55: You just need to love her, right? You know, you're doing the wrong thing by talking about it and relating it to the Holocaust. You're not making any friends, and you're certainly not loving women who are struggling with abortion.
46:05: What do you say to that? It's God's smile that I'm after and not man's. And God knows my motivation by talking to a woman about abortion is love.
46:15: That's the motivation. Love of Christ constrains me. If I didn't have the love of God in me, I'd be up in Australia.
46:21: I'm from New Zealand, but up in Australia. There's a bit of surf there. I'd be an old surf dude, long hair, looking like seaweed, and just surfing, self -indulgence.
46:28: But because I love, I want to warn people about how and how abortion is wrong. It's taking the life of your child.
46:35: We're called to be salt and light. And it's wrong to just be light, and it's wrong just to be salt.
46:41: Salt stops the rot, and we've got to speak out on these issues that are rotting society. But we've got to go hand in hand with the light of the gospel, always.
46:49: So one of the things that we wanted to do in 2017 is we wanted to start engaging consistently, philosophically, as Christians, and consistently in the legislative aspect, in the area of abortion.
47:09: So that means we needed to equip the church across the nation in terms of what is the problem in terms of philosophical methodology approaching the ending of abortion in our country.
47:20: We also knew we had to equip people in terms of what is our system of law.
47:27: How do you end abortion in a nation where the Supreme Court has ruled with Roe v.
47:32: Wade? And what we did was we tried to provide as much content as possible to teach people that Roe v.
47:39: Wade is just a court opinion. Courts cannot make laws in our nation, and every state has the ability, with their sovereignty, to end abortion immediately and criminalize it in their state.
47:53: Just as an example, there are three states. Idaho, and there's more than this, but Idaho, Arizona, and Texas.
47:59: All three states. Abortion is illegal in their code.
48:05: So in Arizona, there's a current law. It's never been modified, never been changed. It's on the books.
48:11: Abortion is a criminal act in Arizona. Abortion is a criminal act in Idaho. Abortion is a criminal act in Texas.
48:19: And somebody might say, well then why is abortion taking place in those states? And the answer is, is we've all bought into the fiction that Roe v.
48:26: Wade is a law. It is not a law. Our constitutional documents state specifically that it is the
48:33: Congress that creates law in our country, not the Supreme Court. Courts cannot make laws.
48:39: And so one of the things that has to happen is we need to educate people across the United States that states have the ability with their own sovereignty to reject the decree, the wicked decree of a court like the
48:51: Supreme Court that says that you can murder a human being in the womb. Now, it's already taking place in our country.
48:57: States do this. They've done it since the times of slavery. They've rejected the higher opinion, or I would say the court, the opinion of a higher court.
49:07: And they did it with slavery. States are doing it now in the area of marijuana legislation.
49:12: You've got states like Colorado, states like Washington, states like Arizona that have legal...
49:19: They have released the restrictions around marijuana. They've legalized marijuana in their states, and they've told the federal government, we're not going to listen to you.
49:29: That's because they're acting lawfully in those respects by exercising their state sovereignty and rejecting the opinion of a higher court.
49:37: We can do that with abortion, and we ought to do that with abortion, but it's not going to happen.
49:43: It will not happen unless Christians across the country are educated in the area of the legislation.
49:51: And so we want to do that in 2018 in a profound and meaningful way.
49:57: Our plan is to engage this issue in 2018 and put an emphasis on the area of legislation in terms of speaking prophetically to our culture, to our communities, to the legislature in terms of consistency, consistent
50:11: Christian witness, and in terms of what is actually lawful in our country. Now, that's only going to take place if people are educated, which takes content, which takes media, and our hope is that God will give us the grace and the opportunity to be that witness in our culture.
50:26: And so the only way that's going to take place is if you partner with us and you help us to make that content and to get it across social media, to equip local churches and Christians across the country to speak in this area, to demand an immediate end to abortion in our nation.
50:43: So I'm going to point you to some of the people we talked to this last year in the area of legislation.
50:49: It was really an amazing opportunity we had to speak to people in Idaho and in Kentucky that are working on the problem, that know that abortion is illegal in their state, and they're working to actually uphold those laws.
51:01: Check it out. Good evening. In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court today legalized abortions.
51:07: The majority in cases from Texas and Georgia said that the decision to end a pregnancy during the first three months belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government.
51:17: Thus, the anti -abortion laws of 46 states were rendered unconstitutional. Well, I'm Dan Johnson, and I love
51:28: God. That's what I do. I love God, and I'm a family guy.
51:33: I have a wife. We have four children together. Grandkids. And I'm a legislator, and that's the order that goes in, by the way.
51:42: And I'm working here in Kentucky as a state legislator, the 49th
51:48: District. Who you are and what you do in the state of Idaho. Okay, well, I am a state senator.
51:54: I'm one of the 35 state senators in Idaho. I'm from District 5, which is
52:00: Latah County and Benelock County. So getting into politics was definitely not like what I set out in my career to do, actually.
52:07: My wife and I wanted to be missionaries, and that's why we went to law school, to have an avenue to be a tent maker in some part of the world where the price was less known.
52:15: But through the process of adopting Mold and Son and opening my law firm, and just little by little, and mostly through the pro -life advocacy route,
52:23: I just got more experience in politics. And I woke up one day, and I thought, man, I'm probably going to raise my children and grandchildren here. And so it became really clear that the
52:30: Office of Attorney General, which is like the top prosecutor of the state, became really clear that that office, if it desired to, if the
52:38: Attorney General desired to eradicate legal abortion, he or she absolutely could.
52:43: Something that would be so much more simplistic that if we just came at this from what God said, that at conception, we have a life, that's the beginning.
52:53: And biological science. Absolutely. Absolutely. It really trickles down to every elected official to use their power, everything within their tool belt, to protect children from murder.
53:02: No longer can we accept the cop -out that, hey, I'm pro -life, but gosh, I wish
53:07: I could do something. You know, that old nasty Roe v. Wade, that's just a legal myth. Roe v. Wade is not the law of the land any more than a bully is the law of the playground when he asks for the little kid's lunch money.
53:19: Getting involved in contentious issues interferes with re -elections. Right. What we're trying to do is we're trying to save the lives of image -bearers.
53:29: We've got to stop it. Yes. Some of the pro -life people came to me at the statehouse and said, you need to stop what you're doing.
53:38: We just want our elected officials to have at least as much courage to protect children from murder. All of our code says abortion is murder.
53:46: It's right here. It says it. Give me an example. Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, including, but not limited to, a human embryo or fetus with malice aforethought.
53:57: So it appears the intentional killing of a human embryo or fetus is murder. Abortion was created by wicked, horrible, wicked politicians.
54:10: And we're trying to get the message out there that the states no longer need to wait on, they've never needed to wait on this federal court to overturn
54:17: Roe v. Wade. We have the sovereignty, the authority to protect children from murder. We don't have to wait on the federal government to overturn
54:24: Roe v. Wade. What are you doing? How are you going after Roe v. Wade? How are you stopping abortion? You're not.
54:29: And all you have to do, and all I have to do, is now stand up and really do what we're called to do.
54:35: That's right. And righteousness can prevail. That's right. Righteousness can prevail. It does.
54:40: We have to reach people and open their eyes. And if you're hearing this and you've never had anyone speak to you this way, you need to grab this.
54:49: That's right. All it's going to take is one state to break free and win this.
54:54: And it's going to happen. It's going to happen because... Here's why it's going to happen.
55:01: It's going to happen because there's a you. So last year, one of the plans that we had was to provide a platform that churches across the country could come to, they could get free training and free resources on how to do this kind of work.
55:26: They could get equipped and they can get pointed to their local state government to demand an immediate end to abortion.
55:32: We were able to effectively do that. We created endabortionnow .com as the landing spot for churches to go.
55:39: Again, 275 local churches across the United States have gotten connected with us and they're doing the work of ministry now in their local area.
55:47: And we were able to be a part of that and it's a humbling experience to be able to do such a thing.
55:53: But we were able to do that at endabortionnow .com. And so next year, the plan is in 2018 to add 250 more local churches from across the country to be about the same work and ministry to actually establish justice and mercy ministries out of their local churches and to be about the same work.
56:15: So 250 next year is our goal. 275 is what we have right now. We hope to continue with what we've done this last year in providing the free training and free resources to churches.
56:29: It really is, if I can share with you, it was a tough, tough thing. It was very difficult for us.
56:36: It was something we didn't expect. The tremendous difficulty of sending out these massive kits to local churches in Alaska, in Maine, in Delaware, in Michigan, in Florida, in Texas.
56:50: We had to work really hard in getting the right kind of resources.
56:56: So we have signs, we have tracks, we have even like a cone to call out to women if they're far away.
57:03: That was one aspect of it. The other aspect was actually getting it to the churches. These are actually really big signs.
57:09: And believe it or not, it's difficult to ship stuff of this size across the country in mass quantities like we did this last year.
57:18: But God gave us a special relationship with,
57:23: I think it's FedEx, to be able to do the work that we're doing. And so we were shipping these things out on a regular basis across the country.
57:29: It's actually really hard to do. And to do it at no cost to the church was an important thing for us.
57:37: We wanted to be able to bless these churches and to take away every excuse not to do this work. So if somebody said, first objection,
57:45: I don't know what to do. What we would say is go to endabortionnow .com, sign in, and start watching the training videos.
57:52: And so we take away that objection. Somebody might say, I don't have any resources to do this. We say, fantastic.
57:58: Here's your resources. Well, I don't have the money to pay for those. That's no problem. We're paying for it for you.
58:04: So we were able to do all of this to put the website up, which is actually a pretty big process, believe it or not, to put the training up and to provide the resources, all of it at absolutely no cost to the churches.
58:18: That, to my mind, to my knowledge, is something that has not ever been done before.
58:23: As a matter of fact, the ministry that you helped to create, this ministry, let me say that again, the ministry that you helped to build and create, this ministry, to my knowledge, it's the only time a local church, a local church, not a separate para -church organization, but a local church has done this kind of ministry and provided free resources across the country to local churches in the way that we have.
58:51: It's never been done before, and you did that, and so thank you. But our plan is, again, next year, 250 more churches, all given free resources and free training to be about the same work to create a justice and mercy ministry at their own local church, and that effectively, again, makes, it effectively makes a local church what crisis pregnancy centers attempt to do.
59:15: Again, the difference is is a local church, if it's a faithful Christian church, is going to make the fundamental aspect of it the gospel, and they're going to tell the women the gospel, they're going to work on discipleship, and the incredible opportunity presented to a local church is you have a community in a local church where a woman comes in who didn't kill her baby, and now that local church can provide for the diapers, they can provide for the crib, they can provide for the clothing, they can provide food and shelter, they can provide financial assistance because that community works together to bless those women, and then more than that, when they lead these women to Christ and these men to Christ, they can also disciple them, so that effectively does what crisis pregnancy centers attempt to do, except now it takes that responsibility and it puts it on the local church where it should be in the first place.
01:00:09: It's supposed to be the local churches that do this sort of ministry, and your labor, and your giving, and your prayers for end abortion now has made all of that possible.
01:00:22: I can't stress that enough to you. Because you participated with us in ministry, you made it possible, and can
01:00:29: I ask you to make it possible again in 2018. You may not know this.
01:00:35: It may not even look like it. This is actually pretty snazzy stuff. This is pretty sweet stuff, right?
01:00:41: This set's pretty cool. Luke did an amazing job. Daniel did an amazing job. Ivy did an amazing job helping to build this thing.
01:00:46: It actually is pretty amazing, right? You see all this stuff that Apologia Church is putting out. Can I let you in on a little secret?
01:00:54: We didn't do this. We don't have the ability to do this.
01:00:59: And what I mean by that is if you walked into Apologia Church on a Sunday, you would probably have the same reaction that many people have when they come to Apologia Church.
01:01:07: We have people that visit us from Canada, Australia, from Holland three weeks ago that literally come out here for their holiday and they visit
01:01:17: Apologia Church to come worship with us and just, you know, to visit the area and to obviously be with us.
01:01:23: And the reaction that most people have when they come to Apologia Church is, my goodness, this church is not what I thought it was.
01:01:29: It's a really, I mean, in the context of our culture, it's a pretty small church. We only have about 200 people in the church.
01:01:37: And a lot of those people that we are helping financially, putting people into apartments.
01:01:42: We just bought a family a car last week so they can have another vehicle for their family so work works out for them.
01:01:49: We bought a vehicle for a single mother. You know, we're taking care of the needs of our church. We don't have a lot of resources.
01:01:55: So when you look at what God has done with all of this, all the media, all the content, everything, end abortion now, the fact of the matter is we're a small church and we don't have the resources for such a thing.
01:02:05: So what God has done all these years of ministry is He's always provided everything that we need to do the kind of ministry that we do through you, through you, through your support.
01:02:19: That's just a fact. That's how God does it. It's never been able to be some, it's never been something that we've been able to do ourselves.
01:02:26: It's always been the church around the world giving towards our mission, our work. So whatever you see, if you see something for Mormonism, it's our supporters that have made that possible.
01:02:37: If you see something for atheism, you made it possible. If you see something for abortion, you made it possible. And end abortion now can't really happen through apology of church, through our own resources.
01:02:47: We just are a small church and it wouldn't be possible. But God demonstrates His astonishing faithfulness and power and that He does these kinds of things through all of us working collectively together.
01:03:00: And so I want to encourage you again to go to endabortionnow .com and just give there. Just consider that we've been able to create local church ministries saving lives for less than $1 ,000.
01:03:13: Last year we had projected goals. If you put it together at the end of the year of what we accomplished, less than $1 ,000 to have a ministry started at a local church where they're saving lives on a weekly basis.
01:03:24: That's incredible. If you do the numbers together, again, like I said at the beginning of this, if you had 10 saves per local church, that means it's about $90 to save a life.
01:03:36: So I want to encourage you guys to participate with us financially. I can't wait to show you what we're coming out with next year, all the content we have to bless the church and equip the church.
01:03:46: And so you can be a part of that. You can do it right now by going to endabortionnow .com I want to introduce you to one of the pastors that is now out saving lives at his local abortion mill.
01:04:00: I want you to hear his story. It is so inspiring and encouraging. I really think that you will be blessed by it and you'll love it.
01:04:07: Again, share this. Please share this live stream because we believe that the church needs to hear these things.
01:04:15: You have the power in your hands right now to share the message and so I encourage you to do so. This is
01:04:20: Pastor Scott. I can't wait for you to hear it. Take a look. One story we wanted to share with you guys in particular, it is so powerful, is the story of Pastor Scott Hoard.
01:04:30: He's with Christ Life Community Church. And so we wanted to invite him on so you guys get a chance to get to know him and to hear his incredible story.
01:04:37: So Pastor Scott, welcome to this special segment. Hey Jeff. Great to be on.
01:04:43: Absolutely brother. So I want to introduce everybody to you. Scott, tell us about who you are and what you do.
01:04:49: I am a pastor in Smyrna, Tennessee. I'm a pastor at Christ Life Community. I've been pastoring this small congregation going into my ninth year.
01:04:59: Oh, praise God man. Nine years as a pastor. So you got connected to Apologia Church and are now part of this mission of the gospel at the abortion mills and speaking consistently to your community around you.
01:05:15: How did you get involved in this kind of work? Well, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons are very active in our community here in the south of Nashville in Smyrna.
01:05:27: And so I was looking for resources on the internet. I kept coming across your videos of where you're engaging
01:05:32: Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. And so I kept listening to them. I kept hearing you talk about the kingdom, the kingdom of God.
01:05:40: And every once in a while I'd hear you talk about abortion. And I just kind of put that in the back of my mind.
01:05:47: Well, I'm going into my third year into the abortion ministry. Two years and about five months.
01:05:54: But it was about two years and five months ago I was sitting in this Starbucks behind me. And I was extremely angry with just the narrative of our culture, what comes from the news and really feeling almost powerless.
01:06:07: And so I was sitting in this Starbucks behind me and I just said, Lord, I'm angry. I don't want to become bitter.
01:06:13: I give it to you. What do I do with this anger? And he gave me two words, engage abortion.
01:06:23: And I was like, engage abortion. So I Googled abortion. I didn't know if it was happening in my community or where.
01:06:30: And so he gave me two locations in Nashville. And it was a day later that I ended up in Nashville at one of the abortion mills wondering if I could have an impact.
01:06:42: Oh, praise God. So tell us about... Well, let's start here.
01:06:49: So you get involved in this ministry. I mean, obviously, Pastor, very much like me, you were obviously for the preservation of human life and these children in the womb before.
01:06:59: But you, just like me, started fairly recently going and actually getting on your feet and going to engage this issue with the gospel.
01:07:07: And it's a tough ministry. I always try to tell people, Pastor, it's the ugliest ministry you'll ever be a part of.
01:07:15: So tell us about that process. You get involved in this ministry. You're now involved in something that is very, very difficult.
01:07:22: It's hard ministry. People don't like you being there. What has it been like for you getting into this ministry to where you're at now?
01:07:30: What have you learned? What have you seen? You know, we kind of live in the
01:07:38: Starbucks culture. Forgive me for using that word, that name so much. But, you know, we're in the
01:07:44: Bible Belt, so to speak. And there's just kind of a cloud. You sit in Starbucks, people are drinking their lattes, they're eating their scones, and everybody's comfortable.
01:07:53: And you kind of look around and you're like, is everybody good? Is there any real pain in this world? Is anybody battling suicide, depression?
01:08:01: Is there divorce? And you kind of just get lost in this culture, and there's nobody really engaging.
01:08:07: And so when I went to Welshwood, the area, the street is called Welshwood.
01:08:13: The place is called the Women's Center. It sits upon a hill, and there's two apartment complexes on either side.
01:08:20: And the residents of that community call it Hell's Hill. And so going there, it was scary.
01:08:29: The way I put it is it's reality. It gives you a true picture of where our country is, of where our communities are.
01:08:36: It doesn't matter if you pull up in a BMW or an old beater of a car. You're seeing truth for what it, you're seeing the reality of where our nation is, where our country is.
01:08:47: And the more I stand out there, the more I realize that even here in the Bible Belt, that very few people really know who
01:08:54: Jesus is, and very few people really know how to have a relationship and to make it to heaven and to have salvation in Jesus.
01:09:06: Very, very few people realize it. So I started talking and engaging and didn't tell anybody I was going.
01:09:13: And then I began to have some success. I got my first rescue, and it just had such an impact on my life, and I realized that this is bigger than me.
01:09:23: And so I need to tell my congregation. And so I told the congregation, not realizing that it would just really bring a shock over them.
01:09:33: And several families really struggled with it and just left. And I didn't expect that.
01:09:40: And so the biggest pushback I got back in the very beginning was from the church. And the common question was, what are you doing and how are you representing the church?
01:09:51: Are you shaming people? And so I spent a lot of time just diffusing that argument.
01:09:58: But now, two years, going into my third year, that's changed. Our church is 100 % behind it.
01:10:05: But you're right, it's hard. And it's the hardest thing I've ever encountered.
01:10:11: I don't want to go, but I have such a deep hatred for that wickedness and that darkness.
01:10:18: I have to go. And I know if I go, then more than likely, there's going to be a life that's saved.
01:10:25: And so how can you not go? So I go, and it's really the gates of hell.
01:10:31: It really is. It's hitting darkness head on. And yeah. So with that, that experience of really being there and witnessing mothers and fathers going in to kill their children, people driving by, throwing things at you, hurling insults, giving you the middle finger, those sorts of things.
01:10:53: That's some opposition. And you mentioned something, it's compelling to me, and it's painful to think about at times, but you sort of just try to trust
01:11:01: God and push through it. And I'm sure you've heard me say this, Pastor, that the greatest opposition that we have received in this ministry, the greatest opposition we've received in this ministry has been from professing
01:11:14: Christians. No doubt. Yeah.
01:11:19: But when I go, Jeff, and sorry for interrupting, most of the people going in, our location's a little bit set up from what you experience in Arizona.
01:11:30: I'm only 30 feet from the front door. And so I can pretty much walk the whole parking lot. And so I'm pretty close to these people.
01:11:38: And so I get to know a lot of people going in. Most of the people going in are for Christians, are professing
01:11:43: Christians. Right. There's crosses on their cars. There's crosses on their neck. They're going to church. They don't hesitate to tell you that they've gone to church, that they've talked to their pastor about it.
01:11:53: Their pastor agrees with them going in. And so that's hard.
01:11:59: That's one of the hardest things for me. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, one of the things that I've learned to do in this ministry is
01:12:07: I've noticed that the great attacks that we receive when we post something across social media, they're from people who are professing
01:12:16: Christians who say that we shouldn't be involved in this kind of work. It's not how you reach people. And what
01:12:22: I've learned is, of course, I want to provide the scriptures to those people to communicate to them so hopefully
01:12:27: God will change their heart and open their eyes. But I've learned that if you share a photograph of a saved child, if you show the pictures of twins saved from death and this little boy over here, this little girl over here, it does begin to change perspective.
01:12:44: You mentioned that when you saw your first save, it was a dramatic experience that transformed you.
01:12:51: And I feel the same way about that myself. So let's talk about this.
01:12:56: People are watching right now, Pastor, and they're hearing about your story. They're hearing us be a little disheartened and discouraged over the sorts of things we've experienced in this ministry.
01:13:07: But let's talk about the blessings. We get to preach the gospel to thousands upon thousands of people.
01:13:12: We get to minister to mothers and fathers. But how about the moments where God displays his ability to transform hearts and minds?
01:13:23: How many children have you saved from death? Today, last
01:13:29: Friday, was our 134th save. 134 saves.
01:13:37: Brother, that is absolutely incredible. Praise God. 134. Jeff, you speak of the blessing, and you were kind of hitting on that earlier before I came on.
01:13:50: You can't measure how this is just the ripple effect of what you guys have started.
01:13:57: But I can't measure the ripple effect of what's happened just from the two years and four months that I've been in this.
01:14:05: That's right. The ripple effect, it's still going, and it's immeasurable, and it's unbelievable. We're seeing, the blessings are incredible.
01:14:12: One example, I had a lady, I'll call her first name Dee. She's actually in my church, but she used to cuss me out every day from about 100 yards away.
01:14:25: And every day, we would invite her to engage us face -to -face. One day, she was so angry, she came over, and she was cussing us out face -to -face.
01:14:35: And we let her talk, and eventually, I asked her if I could talk. And so I gave her my logical reasoning against abortion, and each part, along the way,
01:14:47: I'd ask her, I said, do you agree with that? She said, I agree with it. I can't argue against that. And so eventually, at the end, she was like, okay,
01:14:54: I agree with you. And I said, well, can I give you my foundation? And she said, yes. And so I gave her
01:14:59: Christ, and she started crying. And she said, I feel like I'm meeting God. And I said, you have met
01:15:07: God here. And this young lady came to know the Lord. She was pregnant, actually considering abortion.
01:15:15: Came to know the Lord right there. She got baptized recently in our church.
01:15:20: Now she stands with me. And she had a say last week. So it's like, it does not get any better than that.
01:15:28: No, it doesn't. Wow, that's just so incredible. Let's share more, because people are watching right now.
01:15:36: We wanted to give everyone an update. Sort of year end, what did God do? We had plans.
01:15:41: We had goals. We had hopes and dreams. What did God do this last year? So we're going to be sharing over the next month and a half, stories and testimonies of what
01:15:51: God has done. So I'd just love to hear some more, Pastor. So you just had a save last
01:15:56: Friday, you said. And that was a young college student? Yeah.
01:16:02: Okay. Boyfriend, girlfriend, yeah. Okay. And then there's a really interesting story, though.
01:16:08: The one before that you were telling me about, you just also have experienced you're going into the first adoption story as a result of being at the abortion mill.
01:16:17: Can you share that story? It's really incredible. Yes. Young Guatemalan couple were going into the abortion mill.
01:16:26: And so I was engaging them. I always ask this question before I engage people.
01:16:31: I ask the Holy Spirit, just, hey, would you give me the words? I'm not giving canned answers. I'm saying give me the right presence and give me the right tone, give me the right words to engage these people.
01:16:44: And so I'm engaging this couple. They stop and they just watch me and they listen to me.
01:16:49: And then they come over and they listen to me. They're not responding. But they eventually get to a point where they nod their head and they agree with me that they're not going to abort their child.
01:17:02: And so I take them away from that facility. We have a mobile unit down the road where we do ultrasounds.
01:17:09: And this group works with us, take them down there, they get an ultrasound. And over the next several months, I develop a relationship with them.
01:17:16: Well, it turns out that they don't understand English, I don't speak Spanish, and they didn't understand a word that I was saying, but they felt so loved in that moment.
01:17:27: And they were so convicted through the love that they changed their mind. They were sitting in my house last week.
01:17:34: They said they wanted to give their child up for adoption. The father actually, I was sitting in his house with the translator several months ago, and he said,
01:17:41: Pastor, I want my son in your arms. And I thought, man, what an amazing opportunity that is.
01:17:52: But we have two adopted children. My wife doesn't want another. And so I said, I'll help him with the adoption process.
01:17:58: And so he was sitting in my house last week. We were talking, and he said, through the translator, he said,
01:18:04: I'm so grateful for Pastor Scott leading me away from this very destructive act.
01:18:11: And I thought back about that moment. I was like, wow, he didn't understand a word that I was saying, but he felt through love, he felt loved enough to turn away from it.
01:18:23: And so in two weeks, the woman is going to have her child.
01:18:28: And this young couple in our community, which is another miraculous story,
01:18:33: I found them through a news story on the Internet. They live a mile from my house. They had a post on their
01:18:41: Facebook page that said, help me find my child. I found their name through this news story, and I sent a message to them, and Bill Knight said, hey,
01:18:49: I think I've got your child, and this adoption is going to happen in two weeks. It's just absolutely incredible.
01:18:56: God's providence is insane and stunning and complex and beautiful.
01:19:03: Man, Pastor, it's just so encouraging to hear these stories. Can I share? You got time for another one?
01:19:10: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Give us another one. Yeah, so I had a guy who was going in with his girlfriend to a board.
01:19:19: He was extremely angry with us. He had that anger that was, I call it murder in his heart, where it got to a point
01:19:25: I knew if I said another word that I could possibly die. And so as the girl was going in with him, there was moments where she would come out, and I would have an opportunity to share with her.
01:19:37: She eventually changed her mind, and they both came out. They got in the car, and it was so violent that I began to videotape because I was worried he was going to hit her.
01:19:47: Well, she eventually got out. She responded to us. She said, Hey, I'm going to keep my child. Thank you so much. She left.
01:19:54: He was so enraged. She got out and he looked at us, and I told the people around me, I said, Don't say a word.
01:19:59: This is the time where you just be quiet. Well, he got in his car. He was so enraged. He couldn't figure out where he was, and he needed direction, so he rolled down his window yelling at me to ask for direction.
01:20:10: I gave him directions. Well, I thought that was the end of that. That was a Friday. I got a phone call
01:20:15: Saturday from a friend. He said, I've got a buddy that needs help. I think you're the only one that can help him.
01:20:21: I'm like, All right. I said, Have him call me. Monday, I get a call from Birmingham, Alabama, three hours south of us, and this guy calls me, and we're talking, and he's really hurt.
01:20:33: I'm like, Man, this is a strange conversation. I needed to ask him a couple questions.
01:20:40: I said, Hey, were you in Nashville last Friday? He said, Yeah. I said, Were you at an abortion mill? He goes,
01:20:45: Yes. I said, I'm the guy. He said, What are you talking about? I said, I'm the guy. He said,
01:20:51: What are you talking about? I said, I'm the guy you wanted to kill. He sat there silent, and I said,
01:20:59: Before you hang up the phone, I said, What's the chances of you calling me and asking me for help three days after you wanted to kill me?
01:21:07: You're calling me from Birmingham, Alabama. He sat there, and he said, It must be
01:21:12: God. I said, Yes. He let me share the gospel with him, and that was it. Man, Scott, that's nuts, dude.
01:21:19: That's crazy. That is absolutely crazy stuff. Oh, man. So, Scott, let's ask it this way.
01:21:29: How has our ministry and abortion now, how has it been a blessing to you or a support to you in any way?
01:21:37: How has it helped you? Well, it's a lonely ministry because,
01:21:43: I mean, we're in the Bible Belt, and we're surrounded. There's, I don't know how many thousands of churches within a 30 -mile radius of these abortion mills, and there's times that I'm alone, and there's a few loyal brothers that come out on a regular basis with me, but there's a lot of times
01:21:59: I'm standing by myself. So just going to the conference last spring and knowing that there is something rising up, and God is now working not necessarily through pastors but through lay people within the church or something rising up to the top, which is really good to see.
01:22:22: And so it's encouraging just knowing that you're not alone and that you're not crazy.
01:22:27: Yeah. Well, praise God, man. So what words would you have for anybody who is, let's say you have people, maybe they're watching, and they've heard about maybe what we're doing through end abortion now, and they see the free training and the free resources that we offer.
01:22:45: They hear stories like yours of Christians that have been obedient and gone out. They're on the fence now about maybe getting connected to begin this kind of work.
01:22:55: What kind of advice would you have for them? You know, pray and go.
01:23:03: Don't let fear keep you silent, and don't let fear keep you from being engaged.
01:23:11: It all comes down to if you go, a life will be saved. If you don't go, there's babies that are going to die.
01:23:18: But even deeper than that, it comes down to all the salvations that are connected with this as well.
01:23:25: It's bigger than abortion. It's a Jesus issue. We're reaching Muslims. And so, yeah,
01:23:30: I encourage you to go. And I was afraid. I knew I didn't have all the answers.
01:23:36: I didn't have all the Scripture verses that I needed to have and memorize and all that.
01:23:43: But I knew I had to go, and the first step was just observe and allow the
01:23:48: Holy Spirit to guide me there. And that's what I recommend. Just go.
01:23:54: Well, how has this ministry coming from your local body, how has that helped, being a part of a local church with believers who are working together on this?
01:24:10: How has there been a blessing in this ministry? Have you been able to have the church sort of work together and be an encouragement and to be prayerful and to keep each other accountable?
01:24:19: How has that been a blessing? Well, it's bigger than a person.
01:24:25: It's bigger than one small body of the church.
01:24:30: And so we're only 250 people, something like that. And we realized real quick it's bigger than us.
01:24:36: We formed a nonprofit called Operation Saving Lives. And so it forced us to get out of our border and our walls that we sometimes put up as a church.
01:24:48: And it forces us to work with other churches and to have conversations with other churches.
01:24:54: And so that's been one of the greatest blessings is that we have to reach beyond ourselves because it's too big for us.
01:25:01: Just on a given Sunday, there's anywhere between three to five to six women from the abortion mill where we've rescued and talked them out of killing their children.
01:25:11: And their children are in our church now. And so we need help. It's bigger than anything, than our resources.
01:25:20: So, yeah, it's forcing us to be the bigger church, the big C. Well, very good.
01:25:25: All right, Pastor Scott, thank you so much for joining us to give us your story, man. Just pray for God's blessings upon you and your ministry and your church as you guys continue doing what you're doing and walk in obedience and save lives and preach the gospel, man.
01:25:39: Thanks, Jeff. Thanks, Marcus. Thanks, Zach. All right, man. God bless you, brother. We'll keep praying for you.
01:25:45: All right, everybody. So you got a chance to hear from Pastor Scott. Very encouraging. I'm sure we could just sit here and just go over all of these amazing stories.
01:25:54: And I mean, it's just spectacular. You know, when you listen to stories like this, you might actually think that it's outside of your reach, that maybe you could never be involved in work like this.
01:26:10: I just want to encourage you that, you know, all these stories from Christians across the country who are doing this work now,
01:26:16: Christians just like us, you know, we're not special. We're not extraordinary and super mighty and powerful.
01:26:24: You know, these are just believers, children of God, just like you, that have a heart of compassion for these mothers and fathers, a love for these children, a love for God, a love for his gospel and his truth.
01:26:34: And they've just stepped outside there in obedience and they've experienced it all.
01:26:40: They got to experience God in the midst of it. They've seen God change people's hearts. They've seen the faces of these babies that are alive now in this world because they were faithful and went out.
01:26:52: And so I just want to give you this encouragement, this humble encouragement. There's nothing special about us in terms of some extraordinary gifts that are not available to you.
01:27:05: If you have a desire to go out and to save these lives and to go and minister to these mothers and fathers,
01:27:11: I just want to encourage you. Go to endabortionnow .com. Get connected with your local church.
01:27:18: Get the free resources. Get the free training. This ministry exists for the body of Christ, your local church.
01:27:25: And this is one last thing I just want to say at the end of this segment. This ministry isn't about Apologia Church and our ministry.
01:27:31: This is Apologia Church's outreach into the world and our desire to equip other local bodies in your respective ministry.
01:27:43: And so this is just an opportunity. We're providing a platform to help you to minister in your local context.
01:27:50: And so we want to encourage you to go. Get connected at endabortionnow .com. And hopefully next year
01:27:57: I'll be interviewing you and your church to tell everyone all the stories about what God has done in your local ministry.
01:28:03: Such an encouraging interview. I mean, it blesses us so much to hear that story.
01:28:09: I mean, 130 lives saved. Now adoption in the mix. It is such a blessing.
01:28:14: Pastor Scott, you blessed us and encouraged us. Thank you so very much. Continue to pray for your ministry. I want to introduce you to this next clip.
01:28:21: I can't tell you how much these things mean to us. I have to say it's hard to take it all in.
01:28:27: It's so much happening. It's babies being saved. It's people getting involved. It's pastors telling us about how
01:28:33: God used this stuff to shape them and get their churches out. It's hard for us to take it all in and I still don't comprehend it all.
01:28:40: And this next little clip is from a pastor named Dan who was actually encouraged by End Abortion Now's conference.
01:28:49: He watched it via live stream. So he wasn't able to make it to the conference, but he did get a chance to see it.
01:28:55: And it's what God used to really encourage him and mobilize him. Take a look. Hi, Jeff.
01:29:00: This is Dan Mastraba. I pastor Scent Church in Sanford, Florida. I'm out here with John Barros at the
01:29:06: Women's Clinic here. I want to let you know I was so stirred and inspired by the
01:29:11: End Abortion Now conference. I got to watch it via live stream. The Lord convicted me and used your ministry and the ministry of John to come out and get involved and be a part of it.
01:29:22: I was out here watching John proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ here. We saw some young ladies turn away and we know the
01:29:29: Spirit of the Lord touched their hearts. And I want to thank you, Jeff, and Apology and your ministry for all you do.
01:29:35: Your labor of love, fighting the good fight of faith, standing on the wall. And I want to let you know we're here praying for you.
01:29:42: We support you in what you do and thank you for how you've inspired us. And I'm praying the
01:29:47: Lord uses this as an opportunity to get our church on board and other ministers in our city to see abortion ended once and for all.
01:29:55: God bless you, brother. Thank you. There's an important aspect to this entire ministry that I do want to encourage you to embrace.
01:30:09: And that is that, as I've said before, this is not easy ministry. It is just not easy ministry.
01:30:15: It is ugly. It is dark ministry. You are not going to go out there and be loved by people.
01:30:22: They're just so happy you're there. I will say they are happy after they've turned away from killing their child.
01:30:28: They embrace you and they don't let go. They put their baby in your arms and they tell people you must listen to these guys.
01:30:35: So that does happen. But it is dark and ugly ministry and it is demonic ministry. It's been it's just been such a ride for us because we weren't always involved in this ministry.
01:30:46: I know that Marcus has learned a lot this last year. I know that I've learned a lot. Pastor Luke and all of us really have learned so much.
01:30:54: And one of the things that happened this year that was so interesting was that as we got involved in this fight, we discovered that people who are who identify as Satanists actually were actively involved in the fight against us.
01:31:12: We discovered that people who are part of the Satanic temple in their area were actually going out to the abortion mills to be support and cover for Planned Parenthood and local abortion mills across the country.
01:31:25: We had Satanists who were mobilizing other Satanists to give to Planned Parenthood in honor of Jeff Durbin.
01:31:35: This year, we received in the mail a number of thank you notes from Planned Parenthood, telling us about people who were donating to Planned Parenthood in Jeff Durbin's name.
01:31:49: Incredible, right? We had conflict with Satanists outside of our local abortion mill. And one of those
01:31:55: Satanists is named Amber. We continue to pray for Amber. And if she's watching right now, we care about you,
01:32:00: Amber, and we're praying for you. And we do hope you come to know Jesus. But Amber is a local Satanist who goes out to the abortion mill to provide support to Planned Parenthood and to escort women in to make them feel more comfortable and to try to block them from hearing our message.
01:32:16: And so we wanted to give you guys a picture of the kind of demonic influence that takes place outside of an abortion mill.
01:32:25: And we do hope that this displays for you the need for the church to get involved in this fight because it is about the light of the gospel breaking into this dark area.
01:32:35: So here's these clips. Amber supports and helps the women coming inside to murder their children.
01:32:43: And she celebrates. Yeah, we love Amber. We care for her. Amber, we do pray for you.
01:32:52: Amber, we love you. We care for you. And Amber, I want you to notice that your position disallows you from having a cogent argument.
01:33:01: So you have a cowbell. The Christians are here to engage in rational dialogue.
01:33:11: The Bible says something about that. Rational dialogue! It says that the full...
01:33:20: This is actually important for the world to see. This is the Planned Parenthood supporter that you don't see on CNN.
01:33:27: Rational dialogue! This is the Planned Parenthood supporter that you do not see on Fox News, MSNBC.
01:33:34: This is the Planned Parenthood supporter. Amber, this is what Planned Parenthood has to offer.
01:33:41: Cowbell. When asked to answer substantial, meaningful questions, they blast music and they shake a cowbell.
01:33:53: This is the premier example of Planned Parenthood supporters. They love death.
01:33:59: They have no argumentation. This is their response to a question. Laugh. And she knows deep down in her heart of hearts that her position is folly.
01:34:13: It's bankrupt. She doesn't have an answer. Hey Amber, I'll give you the opportunity right now.
01:34:21: Here's the invitation. Let's chat without the cowbell. Let's engage in rational discussion.
01:34:28: Amber, this is the challenge thrown down. Let's talk. I'll show respect to you.
01:34:33: You show respect to me. Let's have a conversation. You don't respect me and I don't fucking respect you. I do care for you.
01:34:39: Liar! I respect you. Liar! You're made in the image of God. Hey, hey, guess what?
01:34:45: Lying? Liar! Lying comes from the person you worship, Amber. Satan? Liar! The father of lies?
01:34:52: Amber, you are a Satanist, right? Liar! Amber, why would you condemn me for doing what your father does?
01:34:59: Liar! Amber, why would you condemn me for doing what the one you love does? Amber, are you not a
01:35:06: Satanist? Amber, are you not a Satanist? Your father is the father of lies.
01:35:13: Why would you condemn me for doing what your father does? No response.
01:35:20: Amber, you need to know that even with your embrace of this death, even with your embrace of Satanism, you can be forgiven if you return from your sins to Christ.
01:35:33: Jesus died to take away the sins of people like me and you. Murderers, liars, people like you that have so much hate in your heart for me and these children.
01:35:47: I don't have any hate in my heart for you, Amber. I care for you. I want you to know Jesus. I want you to be forgiven, lost.
01:35:54: I want you to be forgiven of every baby that you've led in there to be slaughtered.
01:36:00: I want you to be forgiven for every child that you have led to the slaughter.
01:36:05: Every child that's had their arms and heads and legs torn from their body.
01:36:13: Amber, I want you to experience forgiveness. I don't want you to be condemned. I don't want you to experience the wrath of God.
01:36:19: I want you to be forgiven. I don't want you to be judged. I want you to be able to move out of a position that causes you to embrace such foolishness.
01:36:30: Like, when a person is talking to you about your position, you come with a cowbell.
01:36:37: And you put your face into your smartphone. Because you have no ability to engage.
01:36:43: Just consider it. I don't engage with crazy. Just consider it. I have the ability to engage, I just don't engage with crazy.
01:36:49: You don't. You don't. You don't. That's the best you've got. You don't have any ability. Fuck you.
01:36:55: There you go. And that's, again, another premier example of a Planned Parenthood supporter. Yup. Their response to challenges is,
01:37:03: F you, cowbell. This is the best. Who said fuck you? Say it. This is the best. You can't say it?
01:37:09: Oh, absolutely. Your response to a Christian who's trying to challenge your position is, fuck you. That's the best you've got.
01:37:17: That's the best you've got. And now, do you have a response?
01:37:25: Why do you think that it's okay for a mother to lead a child into a place to have their body torn to pieces?
01:37:32: You don't have an answer, do you? Planned Parenthood supporters, as you guys watch this live stream,
01:37:38: Planned Parenthood supporters don't have any cogent argumentation, no coherent, meaningful worldview.
01:37:46: They lead these women and these fathers into Planned Parenthood to destroy their own children.
01:37:55: That's what you have at a Planned Parenthood location. What's important is that the world sees.
01:38:02: This is not the Planned Parenthood that you see with the political talking points.
01:38:10: This is Planned Parenthood right now, live, in living color. No argumentation.
01:38:16: I don't work for Planned Parenthood. No argumentation. I don't work for Planned Parenthood. You're a Planned Parenthood supporter? You're a
01:38:21: Planned Parenthood supporter. That's not a problem to be a liar. Amber, you've given that up when you gave up Jesus Christ.
01:38:27: In your worldview, lying is fine. In your worldview, lying is not a moral failure.
01:38:35: As a matter of fact, in your worldview, with your worship of Satan, lying is the premier example of honor.
01:38:42: And there she went, ladies and gentlemen. I want you guys, hopefully, to see something.
01:38:50: Planned Parenthood is built upon lies. It's built upon a bankrupt position that human beings ought to be able to murder their own children.
01:39:02: And you might think that they've actually become creative enough to think about some answers that would be compelling.
01:39:09: They don't have them. These people out here stand for the murder of innocent pre -born children.
01:39:15: They do not have. See, there's a celebration. Did you see it? There's the fist pump right there.
01:39:22: I said they stand for the murder of children. They said, yes, this is the true face of Planned Parenthood.
01:39:27: This is the true face of abortion in America. Amber, Errol, no answers. Just love of death.
01:39:34: That's it. No argumentation. Christians, you can do this. You can bring the gospel to this place.
01:39:41: You can do like people did this week in Las Vegas. They began abortion ministry, saved two children.
01:39:47: You just need to be here with the gospel. You need to come. You need to speak the light of the gospel into this place.
01:39:53: You need to reach these people with love because they are a part of the culture of death. Be a part of the culture of life.
01:40:01: You guys can be forgiven. If you turn from your sins to the living God, you can be forgiven.
01:40:12: I want you just to pay attention to this moment. Look. Please, pay attention. It's so frustrating because the voices.
01:40:27: And that's what we hope for? You know what I'm saying? That's what we hope for. You know why? She's not there to kill anybody. That's the whole point.
01:40:33: Even if she's not, ma 'am? Not every woman walking down the street is a murderer of a child.
01:40:38: I agree. Or anybody else. If you want to protest murderers, Why don't you protest the people that are drunk driving?
01:40:46: We do. Head on collisions. Why don't you do that? We're completely against that as well.
01:40:51: There's a lot of murdering going on. Not just physical murdering. Emotional murdering.
01:40:59: Domestic violence. Why don't you do that? They don't think that's a killer? We're against that as well. People are pushed to commit suicide of themselves.
01:41:07: And that's horrible. It's not about children only. And that's horrible. It's not about children only.
01:41:12: We would stand together with you. It's not about me, you. What are you talking about? We would stand together with you.
01:41:18: What are you talking about? And say that those things are awful. I'm not even about abortion. What are you talking about? I'm saying that we would...
01:41:23: Because I'm a female, you think we're all for murdering babies? We never said that.
01:41:30: Taking the life that Christ put on this earth. Do you think everybody's here to do that? Do you think that you're so righteous?
01:41:36: Ma 'am, can I ask you why you're upset? That God put children on this earth and nobody has the right to take the life that God put on this earth.
01:41:45: We agree with you. Do you understand that? We agree with you. Do you understand that? We agree with you. You're not the righteous one.
01:41:51: You're right. You have the right to harass people day and night. Ma 'am, I want you to think about something.
01:41:57: I simply came here for a pelvic exam. Ma 'am, why are you so angry? And you want to preach to me about killing babies.
01:42:03: Ma 'am, why are you so angry? Why are you talking to me about killing babies? Because that's what happens. Why are you talking to me about killing babies?
01:42:08: I didn't come here to kill no babies. You're doing business with a place that murders babies. I didn't come here to kill no babies.
01:42:14: You won't let us have a word, so I'm going to get a word in. Look at that woman. You're doing business with a place that murders babies.
01:42:20: Look at that woman going in the car. Look at that woman coming out of the car. Look at that woman. She's standing there talking about killing babies.
01:42:25: Ma 'am, we're going to clear the sidewalk here in just a moment so she can go. That's harassment. Ma 'am, I want you to think about something.
01:42:31: There's a car pulling up. There's an organization in there that harasses babies. You think about loving human beings.
01:42:38: We do, ma 'am. Ma 'am, you obviously don't want to let us speak, so please go in peace. Why? Go in peace.
01:42:44: They're stressed out because they know they're doing business with a place that murders babies. No, no, no, I'm not. I'm stressed out because you have no right to reach
01:42:51: God. We do. And then behave like the damn devil. You guys are devils.
01:42:58: Listen, you want redemption? You need redemption, ma 'am. You want Bible verses?
01:43:04: I need fruit of evidence of salvation to come out of you, and all I see is the devil in you, ma 'am. I can go back and forth with you on Bible verses.
01:43:11: It doesn't matter. The devil can do that, too, ma 'am. The devil can do that, too. We don't want to argue. We don't want to argue with you.
01:43:17: We tried to have a dialogue with you. That's my point. You're preaching. You're doing business with a place that murders babies.
01:43:23: Hang on one second. I can see the horns in your head. I can see it right now. Ma 'am, we tried to have a dialogue with you, but it's obvious you don't want to talk.
01:43:30: There's no dialogue. You're right, because you won't let us talk. The hurt has already been done. What hurt?
01:43:36: What are you talking about? An innocent person comes in here, and they are harassed. Are you talking about the baby? Are you talking about the babies?
01:43:42: No, just, I'm not here about a baby. I'm not talking about you. I'm not here about a baby. I don't even have children, animals, plants.
01:43:49: Yet, I came here in peace. You understand? I agree. I saw what you're doing to these people, and it hurts.
01:43:58: You talk about God? Yes. We proclaim... Why do you treat mankind good? We do.
01:44:03: What about mankind? Love lays down its life for its neighbor. Those children and their mothers are our neighbors.
01:44:09: None of this has anything to do with the children. Even if they don't, ma 'am. None of this has anything to do with the children. Ma 'am, go in peace.
01:44:15: None of this has anything to do with the children. You obviously don't want to talk, so go in peace. People need your love of God. Go in peace, ma 'am.
01:44:20: Everybody. Everybody. People need to, you need to teach people about not killing people.
01:44:26: They don't think that the babies need help from being raped. That's why we'll help them.
01:44:31: You go help them! Yep, we're here to help them. We offer help to every woman that goes in there.
01:44:37: You don't care about the raping babies! You don't care about the babies being dumped in trash cans!
01:44:43: We do. Cut up in pieces! That happens here. No, it doesn't. Yes, it does. Planned Parenthood does that same thing.
01:44:50: It doesn't happen here at all. Ma 'am, all I have to say is turn from your sin and believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.
01:44:57: Go in peace. Another clip we wanted to show all of you is probably something you've seen.
01:45:03: It's got a tremendous amount of views across our social media platforms. And that is our engagement with someone that we care deeply for named
01:45:12: Jocelyn. Jocelyn is a man who now lives as a woman.
01:45:18: Jocelyn identifies as a transgender woman. Jocelyn identifies as an atheist.
01:45:23: Jocelyn identifies as a Satanist. And as I said before, we noticed that as we had more of a push and an effort to bring the gospel to our local abortion mill, the people that started coming out to actually sort of engage with us, oftentimes with cowbells and loud noise, no arguments, many of the people that came out to engage with us were actually atheists and Satanists.
01:45:50: And we had tremendous opportunities to create relationships with these people and to love them and to consistently every week speak the truth into their lives.
01:45:59: And so we wanted to show you these clips to demonstrate to you that you can be a light for the gospel. You can cast down all these arguments against Christ and abortion by being at the local abortion mill.
01:46:11: And you can do it in a way that is gracious, that is respectful, that is kind, that is bold, and that is truthful.
01:46:18: And we wanted to show you that right now with this clip. But, and I don't know exactly what you believe, but I would assume you're an atheist?
01:46:25: I'm an atheist humanist. Okay, humanist, you're part of the satanic temple? I'm a non -theistic Satanist. Satanist, right, okay.
01:46:31: So you're an atheist, and I just want to ask you, okay, in any kind of mean -spirited way, but how do you make sense of the desire for justice that you have, the care for other human beings, when you believe fundamentally that all of our ancestors were fish, were evolved from highly evolved societies of bacteria, that there's no justice ahead of any of us, it's only sky above us, that we live in a universe that doesn't care.
01:46:59: How do you justify it as an atheist? I don't believe that those two things correlate to each other.
01:47:05: I don't believe that my belief that we came from the Big Bang Theory and then we evolved into this and everything else.
01:47:12: My belief, and actually it began with my civil rights issues, my humanist issues, was when
01:47:22: I became transgender. Okay. And I went from one side of the street to the other side of the world.
01:47:27: I gave up the greatest privilege in the world, being a white male, and I became the most marginalized person in the world.
01:47:36: And when I saw what was pushed upon me, that made me really, really, really cognizant of what other marginalized minorities believe.
01:47:51: Because when I was a white male, which we're not going to argue that, you're not going to argue that.
01:47:59: That you're a white male? When I was, don't try to twist it, I'm trying to explain this to you, okay?
01:48:05: I'm listening. I was assigned male at birth. People believed I was a white male. I had the most privilege in the world.
01:48:12: But when I lost that, when I followed my true belief, my true faith, if you may, and followed the path that I was supposed to be on,
01:48:23: I saw how other minorities were treated. And I was one of those.
01:48:29: I still am one of those. Then it hurt you. It opened my eyes. No, I understand that.
01:48:35: Now, Jocelyn, I'm going to ask you. So I hear all that. No, I understand your plight and how you feel.
01:48:41: This guy's going to twist it so badly. No, no, no. No. I wouldn't allow him. So with what you say, you still haven't given me an answer from an atheist perspective as to how any of that means anything.
01:48:55: All of our ancestors came from bacteria. That has nothing to do with ancestors and bacteria.
01:49:01: It has everything to do with it. No, no, no, no. You are evolved pond scum. No, that has nothing to do with it.
01:49:06: You asked me the question. That's not an answer. About why do I believe what I believe. Right, no, I'm asking for a justification.
01:49:12: That has nothing to do with pond scum. I'm asking for a justification. You're a theoretic physicist right here at Arizona State University that can argue over the both of our heads.
01:49:22: They wouldn't be able to answer this either. I'm asking you for a moral justification for your concern for other human beings.
01:49:28: What is your moral justification for saying the Bible is true? All you have is a book.
01:49:34: No, no, no, no, no. I would say the Bible says that if you reject him, his... You're quoting the Bible. I'm answering.
01:49:40: Of course. The Bible says that if you reject God, if you reject his word, you reject who he is and what he says about you, you become a fool.
01:49:48: One example of becoming a fool is you will live in God's world, denying his existence, believing that you came from pond scum, and then crying out for justice, which is foolishness.
01:50:00: Listen. Descendants of bacteria have no moral obligation to other descendants of bacteria.
01:50:06: Now, but you do care. You do care. And that's the image of God that you can't shake loose.
01:50:12: You can't get rid of it. You desire justice. You attribute value and dignity to all these human beings around you,
01:50:18: Jocelyn. And I admire that about you, but your world, you can't justify it. You have no reason, no basis.
01:50:26: See, from your perspective, Jocelyn, if I said I'll bite down, I'll bite. I'll accept,
01:50:32: Jocelyn, what you say about the world. There is no God. I believe Dawkins. All there is is blind and pitiless indifference.
01:50:38: There is no good. There is no evil. Then if I adopt that position, Jocelyn, I wouldn't be out here doing what you're doing.
01:50:44: So can you quote me an explanation that does not involve the Bible? Something that explains our world that does not involve your book and the
01:50:55: Bible. Well, that's impossible in God's world. Can I show you how it doesn't work? Just hear this, and I want to hear what you have to say.
01:51:02: Imagine for a second you said to me, Jeff, I believe in reason, right? I believe in reason.
01:51:08: I believe it has to be logical. That's the fundamental basis of all questions and truth is reason, rationality, right?
01:51:16: And what if I said to you, Jocelyn, Okay, that's your starting point. That's your standard. And what if I said to you, Okay, can you give me a reason for believing reason is the foundation for everything without using your reason?
01:51:28: Do you see how that doesn't work? You see, listen, all ultimates are just that, Jocelyn, ultimates.
01:51:34: And if God is the ultimate, then he is the foundation for everything. He's the principium, the source of all knowledge and all truth.
01:51:41: You're doing the very same thing I'm doing with reason, right? But I'm doing it with God. And with God, I can have reason and science and morality, but you can't justify and appeal to reason.
01:51:52: Because in your world view, what is reason, Jocelyn? What is reason? So what is your reason for believing in God?
01:51:58: If you reject him, if you reject God, you become a fool. What scientific proof do you have?
01:52:04: Well, I'll give you this. You can't have science. Scientific proof. I'll give it to you right now. Ready? Don't lie. Well, why would you demand that of me when your ancestors were fish?
01:52:13: Is lying a moral failure? My ancestors were Germans, but anyway. Very good.
01:52:18: That was a good one. Okay, but I'm talking a little farther back, okay? But why would you... Watch this.
01:52:23: Just think about that, Jocelyn, for a second. And I want to get back to the science thing. But when you said, don't lie, you just expected me to hold to some absolute moral standard.
01:52:32: You're preaching the Bible. No, no, no. I'm talking about what you said. You said, don't lie. But from your perspective, if I use your world view, why not lie?
01:52:40: So both of us think that each of us are lying. No, no, no. Even though we hold that sincerely in our hearts. I didn't accuse you.
01:52:45: I didn't accuse you of that just now. No, both of us. But we both believe it. Because you believe as an atheist that I don't...
01:52:52: I'm lying. No, no, no, no. I'm lying to God. I'm lying to whatever. No, on this point, Jocelyn, I think you're not hearing me.
01:52:58: On this point, I'm talking about you accused me. You said, don't lie. And you acted like, Jocelyn, like that matters.
01:53:04: But you're an atheist. There's no God. Truth matters. No, it doesn't. Not as an atheist. Truth matters. I'm going to take your atheism.
01:53:10: Ready? My ancestors came here through unguided, unpurposed processes.
01:53:16: I am the descendant of cosmic accidents. There is no justice ahead of me. I'll take
01:53:22: Dawkins. There is no good. There is no evil. I have no obligation with that not to lie to you.
01:53:28: Okay. That's your world view. No, it's not. But you see, if you take my world view... No, my world view has morals.
01:53:34: How? You're a bipedal protoplasm in a cosmos that doesn't care.
01:53:40: Okay, I'm going to grasp my head around that one. It's crazy, Herman. Do you see the foolishness?
01:53:46: No, I still care. I know you do because, Jocelyn, you're in the image of God. I know right and wrong. No. You're in the image of God.
01:53:53: Listen, you have to decide. Do I want value and dignity? Do I want morals? Ready?
01:53:58: Do I want to have a basis for it? Or do I want to abandon all of that and embrace my satanic atheism?
01:54:04: You know that God is the creator of all life. He knits us all together in our mother's womb. He knit you together in your mother's womb.
01:54:10: He knit me together in my mother's womb. He's the creator of all life, and He gets to set the standard, then, about how life is to be given and taken, not you.
01:54:19: Right? He commands you not to murder. It's not a choice. It's a command.
01:54:25: He says, don't do it. Because if you do, you're going to stand before Him and be seen as such, and I don't want that for you.
01:54:30: I want you, if I be completely honest, I want life for your baby. I want to help your baby.
01:54:36: If you even can't take care of them, there's people, including the people that stand with me, that will adopt your baby if you just carry them.
01:54:45: What's that? But you'll go in there and kill them? I'm not talking about them being put in a system.
01:54:57: I'm talking about people that will take them. No, it's not. I know because we have families in our church that have gone through the foster system.
01:55:04: I know the process. And I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about someone who's standing in front of you who is saying, we'll raise your baby.
01:55:10: We'll love that child for the rest of their lives. They won't want for anything. But do you see the problem now?
01:55:33: My mom didn't love me enough to even let me live. You're talking about two things, and you're saying, well,
01:55:39: I could never give my child away. They would know that I didn't love them. But I can go in here and pay someone money to take their life.
01:55:48: I don't want you to deceive yourself. And that's what's happening right now. You're deceiving yourself into justifying what you're doing.
01:55:56: And the Bible says, don't be self -deceived. Don't lie to yourself about the truth that you already know.
01:56:01: Because what you have to do, so you acknowledge that there's no justification for what you're doing.
01:56:13: Okay, I agree. I agree.
01:56:19: I agree. And that's what
01:56:26: I'm calling you to, and that's what God's calling you to. You have a responsibility as a mother. You have to protect your baby. It's in the safest possible place right now, and you're going to pay someone to remove it from the safest possible place and kill it.
01:56:39: Take care of your baby, please. We'll help you. Let me help you. Anything that you need, we'll provide it.
01:56:46: Just give me a reason. Give me anything. We'll take care of it. We'll pay for everything. You won't have to pay for a thing.
01:56:52: We'll help you with your job, whatever it is that you need. There's no excuse. There's no excuse.
01:56:58: We'll take care of everything. Just don't do it. I want you and I want your child to have life.
01:57:05: I want you to know Jesus. I want you to come to know Him by faith and believe in Him and trust in Him. And if you trust in Him, He promises that those who trust in Him, He won't put to shame.
01:57:16: He'll never leave you nor forsake you. He won't leave you hanging out to dry. He'll provide for you if you do the right thing.
01:57:22: He will provide for you if you trust Him. So trust Him. Trust me.
01:57:28: I know you don't know me. I don't know you. But I'm begging you. I'm pleading with you to trust in Christ.
01:57:37: Trust Him. That He'll provide for your needs. He sent His people here to love you and care for you and care for your baby.
01:57:45: That's why we're here. This is what we do. Wanted to introduce you all to Zach Conover. He is the
01:57:50: Director of Communications for End Abortion Now. He's a member of Apologia Church. So welcome to this very special year in addition.
01:57:59: Glad to be here, man. It's been a blessing in my life. I know, man. This last year has been, I think, a surprise to us in a number of different ways.
01:58:07: I mean, in terms of the churches that have signed up, in terms of the kind of impact that God has allowed us to have in the culture around us.
01:58:14: So that last clip, talk about that last clip. Well, just bringing everyone into it, those encounters are far too common.
01:58:21: Outside of your local abortion clinic, you have a young woman there who, in her position, had murdered previous children as well through the very act of abortion and was there to do the same with a child that she just found out that she was pregnant with.
01:58:39: So I had confronted her as she was getting out of her car and basically was just talking to her, offering her help, any kind of assistance, everything that we say out there, you know, showing her the love and grace of Jesus by preaching the gospel but also reminding her what she was doing in that place.
01:58:57: And the sad thing is you have encounters like that that happen over and over and over again that confirm to you that the problem out there on that sidewalk is not an issue of someone not having enough information.
01:59:09: It's not an issue of someone being confused or just scared out of their mind.
01:59:16: And some people are, but still the recognition of what they're doing comes through so clearly when you have those conversations and you really get down to the bottom of why they're there.
01:59:26: Once all the smoke screen and the things that they may tell you to kind of divert you from why they're really there, once you get down to the bottom of that and you hear and you see the voice of a young woman like that, full recognition of what she was doing.
01:59:42: She said, I know this is a human being. I know this is my baby, essentially.
01:59:48: And I just have to do this. I have to do it. And so at that point, someone who's seen that several times now, it never fails to take me aback.
02:00:01: It never fails to rock me when I hear words like that. So you're saying you agree with me.
02:00:07: You're not disputing that it's your baby, your own son or daughter. You're saying that you need to do this.
02:00:13: There's a justification because of your circumstance or your situation where you feel like you need to go inside and pay someone to take the life of your child.
02:00:23: Full recognition, and it never fails to shock you, I think, when you're out there. And I pray to God that he never lets me lose that shock.
02:00:32: He never fails to let it just hit me deeply because we need to keep that.
02:00:40: We need to have that shock, and we need to retain how wicked. We need to retain how wicked and how evil this actually is, and that allows us also to bring the gospel into it.
02:00:51: Well, you know, it's especially important because you've done a This Is Why videos for that platform to sort of address the failures of the pro -life movement to try to move people back towards the
02:01:03: Word of God as the foundation of the fight. That's what This Is Why is all about. This is why abortion is still legal in America.
02:01:09: These are the failures and how to address that. But, you know, when the pro -life movement, I mean, we saw it in Ireland.
02:01:15: It's over here. It's part of the narrative that they talk about. They talk about if you just communicate to women that this is a human being, that it's their baby, then that's going to divert people from the abortion mill into the hands of a crisis pregnancy center or whatever resource.
02:01:32: But we know, you and I, from being out there at the abortion mill, that is not the case. Right. I mean, you have people that just tell you.
02:01:39: They say, yes, it's my baby. Right. I know that I'm murdering my child, but I have the right to murder my child.
02:01:46: Yeah. Well, I mean, full recognition, you know, no doubt in their minds about what they're doing, and it's so hard to tell people that, especially other
02:01:55: Christians who may not understand. They may look into this and just think, well, that girl just needs the right offer of help, or that girl just needs a little bit more information about development in the womb or whatever it may be, and that will make her change her heart and her mind.
02:02:11: That's something you hear the pro -life movement often say, and we just know from being out there that that's not the case.
02:02:16: And really what This Is Why is all about, if someone were to ask, what's the point of it all? The point of This Is Why and that platform is to bring the word of God to bear on this issue, abortion, which means, essentially, we're not coming at this from a strictly pragmatic standpoint.
02:02:34: We're not coming at it just giving people information. We're bringing what God has to say about this issue into it because we know, ultimately, that the problem isn't information.
02:02:44: It's a spiritual, religious problem, fundamentally. It's a question about the nature of all reality, about life itself, and a worldview is going to inform that.
02:02:52: It's either going to be the worldview of God and His Word, or it's going to be the anti -Christian worldview.
02:02:59: There's only two worldviews, the worship of the Creator or the worship of creation. And the women that end up on that sidewalk have deceived themselves into worship of the creature.
02:03:13: They have fallen down this path, and they continue to pursue it in full knowledge and recognition of what they're doing.
02:03:20: And This Is Why is about bringing the word of God to bear on that so that we actually get biblical solutions of justice and righteousness and grace in the gospel and not worldly solutions.
02:03:33: Because if we don't bring the word of God to bear on that, then we get worldly solutions, which you said earlier, are band -aids.
02:03:38: Yeah, and that's what the pro -life movement has ultimately been involved in in the last 40 years is the kind of band -aids, the kind of incremental legislation that says you can kill your baby as long as it's under 20 weeks, which is what most abortions take place anyway, those sorts of things, and they're not addressing...
02:03:55: If you know your stats. The hard issue, right? The hard issue is what needs to be addressed, and that's what we do.
02:04:00: We make this about the gospel. We make this about local churches going to the abortion mills to save lives and to preach the gospel as the main thing to be a light to their communities.
02:04:09: So with that, you spend... I mean, you're full -time dedicated to this mission to end abortion now for Apologia Church, and you spend your days talking to local churches and leaders and pastors of churches.
02:04:20: What's that experience been like for you this last year? It's been awesome to see the...
02:04:29: really what the scriptures have to say about the local church come to life. So the recognition of people's minds being submitted under the authority of their local leadership with both pastor, shepherd of the church, and then those underneath their authority in the biblical covering of that authority engage in mission like this.
02:04:50: It's been really something to see, and I think it's quite new for some people coming into this who are saying, well, are you engaging in this kind of thing by yourself?
02:05:00: Is it just a you thing, a preference thing, you being out there, or are you just kind of taking the bull by the horns and not really having anyone that can oversee you and make sure...
02:05:11: Support you, help you. Encourage you, equip you, provide you with the support of the church to help these women.
02:05:19: To see that, I mean, it's been great. And having pastors who are appreciative of you, of us even reaching out to them to say, listen, we want to acknowledge that you're the shepherd of this flock and these people's souls are in your care and ultimately you're supporting them in this and to know that this is a partnership with your local body.
02:05:42: We want you to know that we're here for you. We want to help you, want to support you. I still get questions.
02:05:48: For example, I was speaking with a church, one of our churches in Delaware the other day and the pastor was talking about they had an impact at first.
02:05:56: They saved a number of children. Every single week they were going out and seeing children saved per week, a child saved.
02:06:04: So they would go out and now what they're encountering is the same resistance. They have escorts now.
02:06:09: They have people that are coming because why? Because there's an impact being made and they know that.
02:06:14: And so for us having walked through that and seen that ourselves, have people screaming in our faces obviously, trying to bring the pink umbrellas in front of the women so that they can escort them inside so they don't listen to you.
02:06:29: They were like, I don't know what to do. What do we do now? So being able to kind of speak into that and say, don't give up, keep going.
02:06:37: This is actually a good sign. Yeah, you have an impact. It's a good sign. Yes, that's right. So continue pressing forward.
02:06:43: All right, so those kinds of things are awesome. We have just a few moments here left. So this last year you've gone to the abortion mill faithfully, locally to go speak and you've gotten to talk to pastors and everything else.
02:06:57: One of the, I think, most important aspects for everyone to hear right now that's watching this and that shares this, please do share this content.
02:07:06: Please share this content. Let the world know what's happening. Is that end abortion now is not a parachurch ministry.
02:07:12: It's own dedicated 501C3. And we're trying to create more of that. What it is, is it's a local church's mercy and justice ministry that wants to help other local churches to create their own local church ministry.
02:07:29: We say that if you do this biblically, your local church becomes like essentially what a crisis pregnancy center tries to be.
02:07:38: And that is, except the difference is that crisis pregnancy centers often don't preach the gospel. They won't point people to the word of God.
02:07:44: I've had three women tell me that they quit crisis pregnancy centers because they were told not to preach the gospel to the women when they first come in, that sort of a thing.
02:07:52: That's not going to happen in a local church. And the local church is involved in the mercy ministry itself, collectively working together to bless people and their needs and all the rest.
02:08:01: So now we have 275 local churches that have become saviors of children and their own mercy ministries in their context to, as a church, take care of the needs of widows and orphans and those sorts of things.
02:08:14: So that's been a huge blessing for me is to know that that's what's taking place. They're their own local church's ministry.
02:08:20: We're just providing resources and training so they can be about the same work. Right, and it's amazing to see that they are an active, ongoing part of these women's lives even after the fact.
02:08:31: After this child comes into the world, they're still loving this mom and her baby and many of them are even having a place among their local fellowship, too, with them now where the children are running around.
02:08:43: That's right, discipleship is taking place. Yeah, so these things are incredible to see. So, all right, we have another year ahead of us, more ministry, more exciting things.
02:08:52: So 2018, you guys can give, of course, at EndAbortionNow .com. I want to thank you to all of you guys who gave last year and ask you to join with us again this year.
02:09:01: And those of you guys that didn't know about us, and now you do, I want to encourage you guys just to give at EndAbortionNow .com.
02:09:06: Help us to do another year in 2018 to have an even bigger impact now that all the infrastructure is laid.
02:09:13: This year was like laying the infrastructure and doing the initial phase of the launch. 2018, we hope to actually see abortion ended in some local area.
02:09:23: And I think it's really possible, talking to the legislatures that we have, knowing what's ahead, we're going to get the word out and help with that message itself.
02:09:32: And so that's what's coming up. So Zach Conover, Director of Communications, if you get linked up at EndAbortionNow .com,
02:09:37: you're going to be talking to this guy right here. He'll be your point man. He'll help you guys out. Continue to pray for him and his ministry.
02:09:43: So I want to introduce you to this next clip that actually has Zach in it. And this is an important one.
02:09:48: Recently, there was like a pop culture argument against abortion. It went far and wide.
02:09:54: It is really a terrible argument. It just is a bad argument.
02:10:00: We want to provide for you guys a resource to answer those objections, the pop culture arguments against the pro -life or Christian position.
02:10:10: And so I want to let you listen right now to Zach addressing somebody at the abortion mill who gives this pop culture argument.
02:10:17: And she's wearing an appropriate shirt, by the way. So take a look. All the embryos that are sitting in the lab right now are human beings.
02:10:25: Yeah, absolutely. They're fertilized eggs. They're human beings from the moment of conception. They had a thousand of those. And then you had a baby and you had a tooth.
02:10:32: The living baby or the thousand embryos. Which would you choose? I would choose the embryos. That's bad.
02:10:38: If you're going to give... Well, let me address. Let me address because I'm familiar. I know this was a very popular argument recently by that science fiction writer.
02:10:47: And so I would say congratulations. You've presented me with a moral dilemma, right? I'm challenged.
02:10:53: I'm convicted by that because as a Christian, I understand the dignity and value of human life. God is the creator of all life from the moment of conception.
02:11:00: That's what scripture tells us. And then also biology testifies to that, too. A lot of people think that you're all of that.
02:11:06: I know. Let me finish this part, though, and then you can respond. So I would say it's absolutely a moral dilemma, but it doesn't add anything to the discussion of abortion because those lives, just like the life of that one baby who was outside of the womb, are still human beings.
02:11:22: So if you're going to present me with a moral dilemma, I'm going to save as many lives as I possibly can or I'm going to die trying to save everybody.
02:11:29: Welcome back, everybody. I want to continue to encourage you all to pray for us, to give at EndAbortionNow .com.
02:11:36: Be a part of what God is doing with this amazing ministry across the country by going to EndAbortionNow .com
02:11:41: and giving there. Also, let everybody know about what God has done this last year. A lot of your friends may have given to this work and we would love to have them hear what
02:11:51: God has done throughout this last year. So please like and share this across your social media and, again, go to EndAbortionNow .com
02:11:59: to get equipped, to get your training and your resources, and you can go there to give as well. So next, we wanted to talk to you about another platform that we are creating.
02:12:07: There are, of course, all the media things that we're doing just in a broad spectrum. There's also Next Week with Jeff Durbin, regular weekly engagements.
02:12:15: We have This Is Why where we talk about the problems in the pro -life movement and the failures of the pro -life movement.
02:12:22: We try to make it more consistent and more Christian. But we have another platform we've created and it is called
02:12:28: This Is Your Baby. Now, I need to say this because it's so important to get. We've talked about it already on this special, but one of the things that the pro -life movement has said is they've said that you need to convince women and men that what's in them is a human being.
02:12:46: It's their baby, right? So that's their baby. And if you could just convince people that they have a baby inside of them and it's not just a blob of tissue, a mass of tissue, then they'll turn away from abortion.
02:12:55: What we know is that the people that have created these arguments don't spend a lot of time on the streets.
02:13:01: Because if you go to an abortion mill with a woman who's about to kill her child, what you hear is,
02:13:07: I know it's my baby. I know I'm murdering my baby and I ought to be able to kill my baby.
02:13:15: So that's only the way that it is because it's a hard issue. It's a rebellion against God issue.
02:13:21: It's a need for redemption issue. And so that's why it must be about the gospel and not merely convincing people that it's a baby inside of them.
02:13:30: However, we do think that Romans chapter two is true.
02:13:36: We do believe that people have the law written in their hearts, that they know the true
02:13:42: God, but they're suppressing that truth in unrighteousness. And what we want to do is provide a resource for people who are considering killing their child and a resource for Christians who are ministering to those people to be able to explain what exactly is inside of you.
02:13:58: We wanted to display the beauty of God and his glory and his creative majesty in the creation of a life, a unique life inside of a woman.
02:14:09: And so we have a new platform. It's called This Is Your Baby. I absolutely love this.
02:14:16: It's one of the things we wanted to do in 2018 is just flood social media with content that would display the undeniable uniqueness and beauty of human life in the womb.
02:14:29: And so this is our new platform. You are right now the very first to see it. It's called This Is Your Baby.
02:14:37: Check it out. This is your baby. And these instruments that they will use throughout their entire life to interact with the world around them are their hands.
02:14:46: At the time of their development in the womb, the genetic code present at the moment of conception communicates to the system of your body all of the many intricacies of the hands, including at what speed they take shape and the specificity of where they're to be located on your baby's body so they end up in just the right place.
02:15:06: At only eight weeks, the progression from webbed palms to ten fingers takes place rapidly.
02:15:13: These chubby digits contain some of the most sensitive receptors in the human body, sending messages to your baby's brain with a single touch.
02:15:22: And don't forget the unique and one -of -a -kind biological signature known as the fingerprint, which comes about a week later, ensuring that there will never be, nor has there ever been, an individual who is just like your baby.
02:15:37: At 16 weeks of development, your baby will be able to grasp, make a fist, and even suck their own thumb.
02:15:46: Throughout the rest of their life in the womb and without, they will use these hands to reach for your comforting touch.
02:15:53: They're the tools that they will use to feed themselves, create works of art, keep their counting straight, have moments of triumph, reach those whom others can't reach, communicate words that inspire nations, construct things that advance the beauty of God in the world, care for the sick, exchange vows of lifelong commitment, and even hold the miracle of life for themselves.
02:16:21: And when they one day leave this earth, others will remember those same hands as the ones that left an undying legacy of love and truth for generations to come.
02:16:31: These are the hands they have now, the very same hands that they will have and use for the rest of their life.
02:16:43: One of our goals for End Abortion Now is to also provide answers for Christians to the common pro -choice or pro -abortion narrative and claims.
02:16:55: And so what we've been able to do this last year is put out content that's actual live interaction outside of an abortion mill.
02:17:05: So what you're seeing is like the worst of the worst. That's what you're seeing. You're seeing atheists and transgendered
02:17:13: Satanists arguing their best argumentation for abortion outside of an abortion mill.
02:17:18: So you are like on the battlefield. You've been given a GoPro in the middle of a war.
02:17:24: You're getting to see the bullets flying. You're getting to see the combat take place. That's what's taking place.
02:17:29: And so we've been able to produce content that provides meaningful and consistent
02:17:35: Christian answers to the common arguments for abortion. And so that's been one of our goals is to provide answers for objections.
02:17:45: And so sometimes we just go out there. We push the button on the camera and we live stream around the world.
02:17:52: Before Facebook and YouTube changed their algorithm, at times we would broadcast for two hours and by the end of the two hours we'd have like 30 ,000 people that had watched the live stream and got a chance to hear the argumentation and to see the gospel being proclaimed.
02:18:08: This next clip is the day that Vice came out to film us at the abortion mill in Tempe.
02:18:16: You get to see the flurry of activity. You get to see the hostile opposition and you get to see the people that come out on a regular basis to try to stop our efforts to speak to those women.
02:18:27: And you get to see an example of us responding to their objections to us being there.
02:18:34: And so take a look at this video that is about these people who are disgusted by Christians.
02:18:41: So I'll talk about the sign for a second. Things that can lower rates of abortion. She doesn't want to interact, does she?
02:18:49: Contraception. So if we're talking about contraception that is an abortifacient, it's not really lowering abortion.
02:18:58: It is abortion. Free healthcare. Not sure what that means, how that could lower the rates of abortion.
02:19:06: If she's calling abortion healthcare, well that's a category error. And the final thing, standing outside clinics being judgmental.
02:19:15: Two points. One, we know of close to 100 babies saved just from the work of Apologia Church locally at the clinics.
02:19:24: We know of hundreds if not now at the point thousands because of all the ministries that have sprang up because of the work and witness of Apologia Church.
02:19:34: So lives have been saved. People have turned to Christ. People have turned away from abortion. But standing outside of clinics being judgmental.
02:19:42: Pay attention closely. Standing outside of clinics being judgmental is precisely the behavior that they are engaging in right now.
02:19:50: They're judging us. For example, they're making judgments right now.
02:19:57: What you need is more empathy and less judgment. What that is is a judgment. So that's a self -refuting statement.
02:20:06: They're coming out here making judgments. We're coming out here making judgments. It's not a question of who's being judging and who's not.
02:20:13: It's a question of which judgment is right. Which judgment is right. So for example, you've got the idea that mothers and fathers should be able to bring their children into a death camp.
02:20:23: They should be able to pay an assassin to dismember their child in the womb, tearing off the head, the legs, the arms, disemboweling that child.
02:20:34: Their judgment is that is good. That is righteous. That is good for society. Our judgment is every human being deserves value, dignity, respect.
02:20:45: Every human being deserves protection. Whether you're a woman, a man, whether you are white, whether you are black, red, brown, yellow, whether you are small, whether you are large, you deserve value, respect, dignity, and ultimately to have justice upheld.
02:21:03: Their perception is that our judgment is wrong. Their judgment is right.
02:21:09: Their perception is mothers and fathers should be able to slaughter their children at will. And that's their position.
02:21:20: You disagree? And so there's another example.
02:21:27: Christians are here. We're not blasting music at them. We're not making whale noises at them.
02:21:34: We're here to give the gospel, to have a conversation, a meaningful conversation.
02:21:43: And it's kind of hard, I think, with R. Kelly. That's R. Kelly, isn't it? Genuine. Genuine. Okay. My bad.
02:21:51: See? I'm showing my age right now, really. But they're blasting music.
02:22:00: What's that? Am I? Really? I don't think we're probably.
02:22:05: No. I'm not really. We're about the same age. 39.
02:22:12: Really? I would have thought you were in your 30s. Okay.
02:22:22: So this is a good example, I think, what just took place there. It's a level of respect and honor coming from us.
02:22:31: It's a high level. The level of disrespect and judgment coming from you is interesting.
02:22:38: More empathy, less judgment. So just now when I tried to show just a level of respect and maybe even affection for you, and you just wanted to give a symbol,
02:22:47: I'm not even touching you. Is that because you judge me? Do you see?
02:22:54: Right, right, because you see me as foul, right? Right? So the person that's out here standing for the lives of children makes you cringe.
02:23:06: What's more cringeworthy? And there you go. There you go. See? When conversation takes place, they won't engage.
02:23:15: There's a level of hostility in their hearts against us. We would love to sit down with them, take them to lunch, have a conversation, talk, engage.
02:23:26: Their perspective is filled with malice, filled with malice and judgment, and judgment.
02:23:34: So more empathy, less judgment is not actually true, is it? It's not actually true, is it, because you're making judgments.
02:23:44: Correct? And this is the level of engagement with Planned Parenthood. You have blasting music, whale sounds, alarm sounds, no conversation, no intellectual dialogue.
02:24:00: It's just silent judgment. It's just malice in the heart.
02:24:07: It's just noise. And you're given opportunity to engage, and you can't.
02:24:14: Your position disallows you from engaging, and that's why we want to call you to repentance.
02:24:21: That's why we want to call you to faith. That's why we want to call you to life in Christ. He died for sinners and rose from the dead to redeem and forgive.
02:24:31: And the fact that you're here today doing what you're doing is high -definition display of the fact that Romans 3 is true.
02:24:40: It says that all of us are sinners. We're not righteous. Our feet are swift to shed blood. It says in Romans 1 that our thoughts have become futile, and this is display of it right here.
02:24:51: We do pray for you, and I do care for you, and I do respect you as an image -bearer of God, as a woman.
02:24:59: I do pray that you get an opportunity to come out of this foolishness, engage in a conversation.
02:25:06: We wanted to show you yet another clip of the kinds of things that have happened this last year to really bring international attention to what we're doing at Apologia Church.
02:25:17: There was a write -up in the New York Post. There was a write -up in Metro UK about me.
02:25:23: Vice, the international documentary team, they came out to spend a couple days with us to do a documentary about the work that we're doing.
02:25:32: One of those days that we were out there at the abortion mill when Vice was here with us, they got to actually film, and we filmed it too, an interaction between somebody that we care deeply for and we've had a lot of engagement with.
02:25:45: His name is Errol. Many of you guys know about Errol because he was consistently trying to speak against our work and to be there in opposition to us.
02:25:57: I love Errol. He's probably watching this right now, and if you are Errol, I love you, and I care about you, and I can't wait for the day that God opens your eyes and brings you to the truth.
02:26:06: But they got to see some interaction between Errol and I outside of the abortion mill, and so we thought you guys can get a look at some of the things that God was doing in terms of giving an international spotlight to the work of Apologia Church through End Abortion Now.
02:26:21: God has done tremendous things this last year, and we know, or we hope, by His grace,
02:26:26: He'll do so much more next year. So again, go and support us for 2018 End Abortion Now.
02:26:32: Help get other local churches involved in this work. Help to save lives. You can do so at endabortionnow .com,
02:26:39: and while you're there giving, I'd encourage you guys to start getting connected yourself to be involved in this work alongside local churches across the country.
02:26:48: You can get free training and free resources, all at no cost because of the Christians who partnered with us last year for 2017, and you can be a part of 2018.
02:26:59: Go to endabortionnow .com to do so. Here is Errol. It's kind of a unique situation that Jeff and I find ourselves kind of head to head.
02:27:19: And you disagree with me. That's why I'm asking you the question. Right, so I think that I would want you to know God and know
02:27:25: His ways and live in a more harmonious way, right? However, you also have a dilemma where there's the issue of preservation of life itself.
02:27:33: And you put me in a moral dilemma, and you say it's either baby die or it goes over here with a gay couple or something like that, right?
02:27:40: I would say I'm going to go for the preservation of life every time when it comes down to the moral dilemma of preserving life because I have to weigh in the balance what's more important at the moment and just hope and pray that not only you and Jocelyn come to have your eyes open to a harmonious relationship, those sorts of things, but also for that child.
02:28:00: I want the preservation of life. That's what I would always want. But in terms of policy and in terms of how we think about it as a society, we have to ask the question, is it right to ask a child to grow up in a home guaranteed not to have a mother or a father?
02:28:16: In terms of a father, a male, a mother, you're asking children to be guaranteed to be raised in a home without a mother or a father.
02:28:25: I think that that's something we need to consider as a community, as a society, is the right to put children in that situation.
02:28:33: Yeah, I mean, it's... Sure. Even though you have your personal truth,
02:28:46: I feel like you have your personal truth to it. The problem is that sometimes on both sides you say facts, facts, facts, when it is a lot of opinions.
02:28:56: Well, no, this was a fact and it can't be refuted and Errol's not trying to refute it. He's just saying I think what she did with her children is an amazing thing.
02:29:03: So, for example, if someone would say gender is fluid, I would say is age fluid? So if I told you today that I'm 75 years old, is it true?
02:29:10: Because I believe it? No, factually, objectively, scientifically, it's not true. If I told you...
02:29:15: If I told you I was... If I told you I was... I was feline, I was a cat. Yeah, but that's different.
02:29:22: How's it different? That's a whole different species. It's identity though. I hear what you're saying. But if someone wants to live as a cat, that's their business as well, but...
02:29:28: Would you believe them, that they're a cat? I mean, if they said to me, would you call me
02:29:34: Pebbles, I probably would because that's what they want and it's not... But are they a cat? Do I think they're a cat?
02:29:39: I probably don't know. Yeah, there you go. So if I'm a male, and I say that I'm a woman now, am I a woman? I think it shows an interesting way of actually coming at this discussion in terms of bringing up IVF.
02:29:54: We shift the discussion away from what's taking place in surgical abortion, dismembering children, killing them by chemicals, tearing their bodies apart, and we say, but Jeff, look over here, you don't have a ministry yet over to IVF, right?
02:30:06: Well, try that now in another realm. Say to speak to somebody about the issue of police injustice, right? We say to somebody over here, well, there's an organization that's trying to stop police injustice over here, but there's all these other issues of injustice over here.
02:30:20: We say to that person that has an organization fighting against police injustice, hey, why aren't you doing everything?
02:30:26: You're inconsistent. You're not doing everything. I think it's a failed argument. I think it's a very bad argument.
02:30:32: And so what we want to actually go after is not just this issue, IVF, is go after the fundamental worldview issues involved.
02:30:43: It's a worldview issue. We live in a society where we ultimately say anything goes, right, sexually.
02:30:49: There are no perversions. There's nothing that's ultimately right or wrong. It's love is love, all is love.
02:30:55: You can do what you like. That's a worldview issue. We have to ask the question, is all love the same love? Is all sex good?
02:31:03: Are there standards of what's not good in sex in human sexuality? For example, we could say, is it okay to have sex with animals?
02:31:09: Is that a righteous and good thing to do? If someone says, well, I'm an atheist, but I don't believe that having sex with animals is a good thing.
02:31:15: I think that's actually, you know, disgusting and not right sexuality. I would ask, by what standard? What standard are you using to determine that this sexual act is not good and this one is good?
02:31:26: And I would say, ultimately, if you don't start from a biblical worldview, you don't have any ultimately meaningful or consistent ability to answer.
02:31:32: Yeah, I know, you've said before. Right. Yeah, and it needs to keep being said because that gets to the heart of the issue.
02:31:38: And so when someone says, what's the preventative measure? I think, ultimately, we need to have a heart change as a culture. We need to, of course, know
02:31:44: Jesus, know God. We need to begin to see each other as worthy of respect and dignity in life.
02:31:49: So, for example, Errol and I, we care about each other. We do. I do. I care about Errol. We respect each other.
02:31:55: We have moments where we're... We like each other. I do. We do like each other. We've been saying a lot that we need to go to the abortion mills not merely for the children that need to be saved that are being brought inside, but to be a light to the community around the abortion mill for the gospel.
02:32:17: And it happens constantly. That's the incredible thing I hope you've noticed this last year.
02:32:23: If you gave towards this work, you gave us the ability to broadcast this ministry around the world outside the abortion mill.
02:32:31: And I hope what you've seen, what you've captured, is that it's more than conversations taking place to the women who are going inside.
02:32:40: As a matter of fact, those conversations are few and far between. And if we ever get in one of those conversations, we usually turn the camera off or we would do it off -camera.
02:32:47: You just don't see it because we don't want to broadcast those women's faces necessarily in that very intimate moment. But what you probably have seen is not just the conflict happening with the
02:32:55: Planned Parenthood supporters or the abortion mill supporters, but you've seen the people that walk up randomly from the community that try to challenge us or they ask questions about what we're doing.
02:33:06: And so this is a clip that was seen by tens of thousands of people. It's a young man, an agnostic, who walked up in the middle of the ministry going on and he began to challenge.
02:33:16: And this goes to show, to demonstrate, that we need to be at the local abortion mill, not merely for the children and the women and fathers going inside, but for the community around us to be, and I say it a lot, it's a lot, a prophetic voice to the culture around us.
02:33:31: This ministry has to go beyond the abortion mill ministry. It's not just about that. It is about that, but not merely about that.
02:33:39: It is about the light of the gospel in our culture to our communities around. They need to see the local church out there and we need to be engaging these arguments on the ground.
02:33:50: This is spiritual warfare. The battle doesn't take place only in our homes and our four walls.
02:33:55: It takes place on the street, in the public square, in the marketplace. This is an example.
02:34:17: Who being able to choose? Whoever, man. People should be able to do what they want with their bodies. So can
02:34:22: I rape a woman? No, you shouldn't do that. So I can't do what I want with my own body, can
02:34:27: I? You can do what you want with your body, you just can't do anything with anybody else's body. So let me try this. A person should be able to do what they want with their own body.
02:34:36: Yeah. We shouldn't be able to, we shouldn't be allowed to just abuse other people's bodies.
02:34:42: Absolutely. Okay. So in the case of what's happening inside there right now, the woman's body is not dying.
02:34:48: It's another body biologically distinct inside of her that is being killed. I'm all for women doing what they want with their bodies.
02:34:56: I'm in agreement with you actually, fundamentally, that we shouldn't be able to harm other people's bodies, which is precisely what's happening in there.
02:35:02: I'm glad you joined us. I'm all for your freedom of speech and everything, but I still just think it should be up to them.
02:35:09: You shouldn't really try to influence their decisions. So all moral decisions should just be up to anybody? Yeah. So we should be able to molest children?
02:35:15: Free will. We should be able to molest children? We should be able to molest children, rape women? No, no, no. That's what you said. You still have to have morals.
02:35:21: Morals are important. Where's this come from? It's just life, man. It's just life, bro? Yeah, it's life. It's just life, bro?
02:35:27: Yeah. Just morals or just life, bro? Yeah. Okay, so the child molester in the cage right now that we've caged up, who kidnapped and dismembered a small little girl after raping her, we put him in jail.
02:35:41: Do you think he should be there? Oh, absolutely. But he lives by a different moral code than you. Right. He believes that what he did is a good moral happy thing.
02:35:48: Not necessarily. He got pleasure from it. Well, there's lots of people today that are pedophiles that enjoy it. Mm -hmm.
02:35:53: Why don't you let them have their way? Free will, bro. A lot of the times that's usually a psychological issue.
02:35:59: Who says it's a psychological issue? Scientists. No, you're talking about brain gas, biochemical responses happening in the brain.
02:36:07: Neurons. Neurons are firing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're talking about a condition that's happening in the brain of evolved protoplasm, and the decision led to certain activities, and you're condemning the activity that came from the brain gas.
02:36:21: No, I'm saying that that right there can sometimes be affected like a disease.
02:36:27: It's brain gas. don't really have a control over it. But it led to an activity. You're saying the activity is wrong. Oh, absolutely.
02:36:32: On what basis is the activity wrong? You shouldn't do anything like that to somebody else. Agnostic. You're an agnostic?
02:36:39: Yeah. So coming from an agnostic worldview, on what basis do you call anything wrong?
02:36:46: Anything wrong? What do you mean by that? You're an agnostic. Right. So you don't know.
02:36:51: True. Right? Yeah. Okay, so someone who doesn't know is making all kinds of knowledge claims.
02:36:58: Yeah, but I still believe it morally, just deep down, in humankind, it's the right thing to do.
02:37:03: Okay, do you believe that we evolved to get here? Oh, absolutely. You believe that our ancestors were African apes? Oh, yeah.
02:37:09: Our ancestors were fish? Uh -huh. So we're evolved fish. Right. Right? And you're condemning certain human behaviors and activities in a universe that doesn't care about us when our ancestors were fish.
02:37:21: Yeah. You're calling one value that's risen up over evolutionary time wrong, and one right.
02:37:27: Those are arbitrary. Yeah, but see, sometimes just people don't have... No, no, no, no. Science. Thank you.
02:37:33: Science is a methodology. No, science is pretty proven at this point. Science is a methodology.
02:37:40: How can you prove that it's not a methodology? Are you saying that science gives you morals?
02:37:45: No. Thank you. That's what we were talking about. You're late catching up. Okay, back to what we were talking about.
02:37:52: Science is a methodology. It requires induction. Science is a methodology.
02:37:57: It requires induction. We were talking about morality. So you're in a different conversation. I feel like you're kind of trying to change the subject. No, no.
02:38:03: If you want to talk about science, I'll ask you how you can account for induction, which is at the very bottom of science.
02:38:08: You have to have uniformity in nature and induction, the principle of induction, in order to actually do the scientific method.
02:38:16: Oh, absolutely. So let me ask you as... That's a hypothesis. Well, let me ask you as an agnostic. Yeah. How do you justify and appeal to uniformity and the principle of induction, given that you are an agnostic?
02:38:27: You don't know that the next five seconds will be like the past. Yeah. So we need to know that for science to work.
02:38:33: Not necessarily. You just kind of have to live, man. That's what I was saying earlier. Yeah, I would encourage you to really, really examine that, because if you really hold to the scientific method, you need induction and uniformity in nature.
02:38:43: Uniformity in nature. What you don't see in a science textbook is, we need science, bro, just cause.
02:38:50: You don't see it in a science textbook. That's true, but when you're trying to come at me after you're yelling at them... No, I'm not coming at you, bro.
02:38:56: I can't bring science as the first thing to you. No, I'm asking you as an agnostic to justify it.
02:39:02: Justify and appeal to induction. We need the future to be like the past. We need the universe to be uniform.
02:39:08: How would humankind progress? How would you get from the fish... I don't think you're catching me. from the fish to the human now and from what we're going to be in a thousand years?
02:39:14: I mean this respectfully. I don't think you understand what I'm saying to you. So science depends upon the uniformity in nature.
02:39:21: We have to do things based upon observation, right? So we examine a cell, we examine
02:39:27: DNA, biology, we examine something and we recognize that there are repeated patterns, that the future will be like the past.
02:39:34: Past experiences showed us one thing through observation. Therefore, we now move from those past experiences to project into the future what will be in the future.
02:39:44: That's the basis of science. So I'm asking you as an agnostic who believes that your ancestors were fish in a purposeless, unguided universe, how do you justify and satisfy the preconditions necessary for science and the uniformity in nature when you believe that we live in a godless universe that's not governed?
02:40:05: I didn't say that. Godless is atheist. Agnostic means that I just don't believe,
02:40:10: I don't know. So you live by faith? Right. Blind faith. I just kind of go with the flow. You live by blind faith?
02:40:16: Yeah. Yeah? Right? That's not the Christian position. We wouldn't want to live like that. Blind faith.
02:40:21: I'm not Christian. I'm saying you have a worldview, I have a worldview, I'm assuring you. No, you're entitled to your own point of view.
02:40:27: You live by blind faith, so therefore you really have no argument with, say, back to the moral position, you really have no position to argue with, say, the rapist, the kidnapper, the enslaver,
02:40:38: Just as you're entitled to your position, I'm entitled to mine. Listen, you can believe, of course, what you want, but what
02:40:45: I'm saying is that I'm talking to you as a Christian with love, saying that with your position of blind faith that you've granted, with no basis for science or morality, you can't really make an appeal to morality at all because you live by faith.
02:40:58: You don't know. You're an agnostic. You don't know, right? So when you walk past here, though, you didn't act like you didn't know. When you walk past here, when you walk past here, you didn't act like you didn't know.
02:41:07: You actually said they should be able to do what they want with their bodies. So how do you make sense of that when you said that you don't have any way to justify morality or science?
02:41:17: You don't know. You live by faith. Do you see? No, I see it. I feel like this conversation is kind of going in circles.
02:41:24: I understand what you're saying and I respect what you're saying. But I think we're just going to keep going like this. Well, I want you to know. My name is
02:41:30: Jeff. Jonathan. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, man. I just want you to know why we're here. Just so you don't, you know, walk away not knowing.
02:41:35: We love you. We care for these women. Oh, of course. Over 70 babies have been saved through this work. That's awesome. Carmelo. Olivia Grace.
02:41:43: Kara. I can show you pictures. That's why we're here because we care. We love these people. We want you to know something, just last thing
02:41:49: I'll say to you and I really appreciate you stopping. Of course. We're here because we're forgiven. Because we're saved.
02:41:55: God loves us. He died for our sins and rose from the dead. And the message is that all who turn from their sin to come to him will be forgiven.
02:42:02: And that's what we want for you. That's the message. I appreciate that. I appreciate you, James. God bless you, man.
02:42:07: You too. Thank you. I want to thank you all so very much for watching with us these last few hours.
02:42:18: We were committed to the end of the year to update everybody on all that God has done.
02:42:24: I want to just have a very frank moment and transparent moment with all of you. This last year, we committed to do something that was going to be very, very beyond us.
02:42:36: It was something that we didn't have the resources for. We dreamt about it. We had a goal. But it was beyond us.
02:42:43: We bit off a big chunk and we decided to actually invest ourselves as a church in ministry that would take a lot of hours away from our families, away from my wife and my children.
02:42:53: I traveled this year and lost time with my family to dedicate to this sort of ministry. Pastor Luke, as well as lost time with his family.
02:43:02: Everyone here has sacrificed so much. We even decided, Pastor Luke and I, in 2017, that we would dedicate ourselves to this ministry and we wouldn't receive a dime from it, not one penny.
02:43:15: We did that because we know how very important it is. And I just want to be honest with all of you in saying to you that I'm grateful to be a part of something so big.
02:43:28: And I just want to be honest with you as well that I know it has nothing to do with me. I know that it could be really anyone in this seat.
02:43:36: It really could. This is God's work. This is God's ministry. It's not mine.
02:43:42: It's not Pastor Luke's. It's not Marcus. It's not Daniel or Carmen or Joy or Zach or anybody who's been involved in this work.
02:43:49: It's not ours. It's God's. And we recognize that this is such a tremendous responsibility to shoulder.
02:43:58: But we're fully committed to be faithful in the midst of it and to do this ministry. You know, when you consider looking at 2018 and doing something even bigger than what you've done in 2017, you have to ask yourself the question, should
02:44:16: I do this? Should I be a part of this work? Should I invest this time?
02:44:22: Should I take time away from my wife and my children to be involved in this work? And you don't have to be honest with you.
02:44:28: When you stop and ask those questions, you have to go back to foundations. And one,
02:44:33: God commands this. God told me to lose my life. God told me to love my neighbor.
02:44:39: Jesus says, greater love has no man than this than a man lay down his life for his friends. You know, when I consider the sacrifices involved in this kind of ministry and then
02:44:47: I look at what God is doing, the answer is automatic. Yeah, I'm doing this.
02:44:53: I am absolutely in. When you think about the 275 churches that God raised up because of this ministry that are out saving lives today,
02:45:03: I am in. When you think about the 250 churches that we may get next year to do this work, that's our goal.
02:45:09: I'm in. When you think about the pictures of these children, these babies that are alive today because of this work, they would not be here today if not for this mission, if not for your participation this last year.
02:45:25: My answer is I'm in, 100%. I'm in this thing. For all that it's worth and all that I have in me,
02:45:31: I am in. We're not stopping until abortion is criminalized in our nation.
02:45:37: We're not stopping. And we're not thwarted by the attacks of unbelievers and the pro -aborts.
02:45:44: We are not thwarted by the attacks from false brethren within the church who do not believe that you need to have ministries like this and attack the ministry itself and attack the gospel itself.
02:45:56: We are more committed now and more firmed up in our commitments than we ever were before. That is without question.
02:46:03: We're going into 2018 with a goal that is bigger and broader and more focused than even 2017.
02:46:10: And that's because of God's faithfulness to us. We've learned things. We've been able to figure out how to shape things better.
02:46:17: And so we're doing it in 2018. But I want to say to you, the platforms that we created,
02:46:24: God blessed them beyond what we thought. All the media content that we created that went out and was seen by millions of people,
02:46:31: God blessed it beyond what we thought. The free resources that we're able to give away to churches is a blessing to us to be a part of that kind of work.
02:46:39: The free training, the free resources, being able to create immediate contact between Christians and their local legislature was an amazing thing for us.
02:46:50: And we're committed to it for another year. The 275 churches that are now connected with us, we're committed.
02:46:56: We're committed as a church to continue to bless those churches and to help them. Next year, we do plan on having another conference because it did raise up even more ministries who watched it via the live stream.
02:47:07: The churches that came and got connected were blessed by it. We found a way this year to do that conference without even having to raise money for it.
02:47:16: And so that's just all by itself, just we're going to do that because it blesses people, but it's not part of our plan in terms of fundraising for next year.
02:47:23: We found a way to do it without even fundraising for it. And so we want to ask you all to join us 2018.
02:47:32: Partner with us to get 250 more churches at least involved in this ministry.
02:47:38: Partner with us to save more lives. Partner with us to create more content educating Christians, equipping
02:47:43: Christians, and inspiring Christians. Partner with us to help us get the message out of legislators across the country who are trying to criminalize abortion in their area.
02:47:55: There are more people we want to interview even as we speak that we're working to get connected to. There are more people that we want to help get their message out this next year.
02:48:04: We know now that we've laid the foundations of all of this, we've got everything in order to have churches come in, get equipped, get trained, get free resources, and get sent out.
02:48:12: We know that the next stage is to really focus on what needs to take place in the media to speak to our legislatures to demand an immediate end to abortion in our nation.
02:48:26: The only way that's going to be possible is if you partner with us for another year. And we want to be so clear about how grateful we are to all of you guys who did it in 2017.
02:48:36: So this year we have a goal of about $300 ,000 for the year and we believe we can meet that goal.
02:48:43: We believe, God, that we can do that and we believe that with that funding we will be able to do something in 2018 that surpasses what we did this last year.
02:48:54: And we need your help to do it. So would you join with us? Will you do it? Will you partner with us?
02:48:59: In prayer, of course, but also financially. Here's what you do. You go to endabortionnow .com
02:49:05: You go there. Simple process to give towards this work. You can give a one -time gift.
02:49:10: Again, we have people that give 20 bucks. We have people that give $1 ,000. We have people that give $5 ,000.
02:49:17: We have people that give $10. Whatever you can give would bless us tremendously and help us to get to our goal.
02:49:24: When you think about a budget of $300 ,000 a year, in terms of what the pro -life movement does, that's really not a lot.
02:49:32: But you know what? What God did last year with $250 ,000 in funding in raising up all these churches and equipping them and providing for them and saving lives is really, if you think about it, astonishing.
02:49:46: $250 ,000. We've saved so many lives. God has saved so many lives through this ministry.
02:49:53: And $250 ,000, it's incredible how you can stretch that to do what God did through it.
02:49:59: But we're going to raise $300 ,000 for 2018. We want to ask you guys to partner with us and to help us in this ministry.
02:50:05: We're so grateful for you. Please share this content. Please pray for us. And please give at endabortionnow .com.
02:50:12: Be a part of what God is doing through this ministry in 2018. And we'll be sure to be thankful and we'll be sure to be faithful and we'll be sure to update you all along the way as to what
02:50:22: God is doing. Thank you. Thank you for letting me be a part of this. I want to thank God for letting me be a part of something so tremendous, so humbling.