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Hey guys, welcome.

I am Pastor Jeff Durbin with Apology at Church and EndAbortionNow .com.

We want to thank you so very much for tuning in and watching this very special

program that we have for you guys.

It's our year -end update and announcement of encouragement for all that God has

done this last year.

A year ago, we put out a video letting everybody know that God had blessed us with a wonderful opportunity in

2017 to be a light for the gospel in the area of abortion and to do so in a way that

would bless other local churches across the country to have them involved in the same work that we were involved in.

We had a plan to create platforms that would engage on a regular basis with the

Christian church and really with the world in relation to the gospel and abortion.

We wanted to engage the culture.

We wanted to go to the root of the problem in so many different areas and speak with the biblical worldview and the biblical gospel

across a broad spectrum of things that lead to abortion in our country.

We wanted to equip the church nationwide.

We wanted to be able to provide resources to the church through really a media blitz and just

producing content related to abortion in light of the gospel really nationwide

in 2017.

We also wanted to have a conference where we would be able to have pastors and leaders of churches to come out

and to essentially be encouraged and equipped to go back home and be involved with us nationwide, with the

church to end abortion immediately in our nation.

We wanted to save lives.

We wanted to provide a ministry for justice and mercy with local churches across the country.

And we also wanted to provide a national platform where churches could get connected.

They could get free training.

They can get free resources.

And they can go in their local areas to their abortion mills and to provide justice and mercy

for these fatherless children and take care of the mothers and fathers that are going in.

We did that through endabortionnow .com.

We also wanted to speak consistently to our local legislatures to demand an

immediate end to abortion in our nation.

And this last year, God surprised us.

He really did.

We knew that God was in this.

God was providing for every need that we had.

He was giving us a passion for this.

He was getting us connected to churches nationwide.

We knew that He was in this work, but this last year has really surprised a lot of us in many

respects.

I mean, the conference that we did this last year was just a small element of what we planned to do, just to get people initially connected.

And there were about 100 churches from across the United States that came that were connected.

We were able to pay for the pastors and leaders to come out.

We had churches from Alaska to Maine and Florida and California across the United

States that showed up to get connected and to be about the same mission.

So that was a huge blessing in itself.

And then when it comes to the media content that we put out, it was seen by millions upon millions upon millions

of people.

That was a tremendous encouragement to us to see all of you guys participating with us.

You were sharing the content and people were seeing those videos.

We had people message us that we're going to have an abortion.

They saw the content and then they turned away from it.

We had messages from people that saw the content and then they actively got involved in their local area and they're saving lives

to this day.

And so God just provided a tremendous blessing for us and means to be able to communicate the message of the gospel in the

area of abortion.

So the media content itself was a tremendous blessing to be a part of.

We also created two platforms this last year, and that was Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

It was a weekly engagement show that had the heart of the show, End Abortion Now, to get people connected

and to essentially equip people in that area and to notify them they could do this sort of a thing.

We experienced a bit of a lull at one point of the year where we were stuck at around, I think, 150,

165 local churches.

And then when we launched the platform, Next Week with Jeff Durbin, we have now 275 local

churches across the country.

So that was a huge blessing in itself.

So 100 churches connected after Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

We also have the platform with our Director of Communications, Zach Conover.

We started that platform itself.

It's called This Is Why, and This Is Why is really an important platform itself because that

is a resource to talk about what is the problem in terms of the pro -life movement

and its methodology.

And we've addressed those concerns.

We've spoken about the inconsistencies of that movement.

We've spoken about the need to be a gospel -centered ministry that stands on the Word of God when you speak to the culture

about the grace of God and the salvation available in Christ, but also about the issue of abortion.

We believe it can only be addressed consistently from a Christian perspective.

And so we had those platforms launched.

God has blessed that.

We also did something beginning this year that we didn't anticipate being able to do, and that is at EndAbortionNow

.com.

We were able to get a tab put on there that's essentially a

service that costs many thousands of dollars to have.

We didn't anticipate having that expense or having that resource, but we thought it was really important to do so.

So we went ahead and we got that resource, put it on the page, and now Christians across the country

can go to EndAbortionNow .com.

They can click on the Legislator tab, and they can just put their information in.

It takes just really, I mean, a few minutes.

Put their information in and click Send, and it sends a preformed letter to their local legislature

demanding an immediate end to abortion in their area.

And that service has already been used by thousands and thousands and thousands of Christians across the country.

So God really blessed with that.

We also wanted to

have a consistent message to the legislature wherever it may be, whether it's local or

nationally.

We wanted to speak prophetically to them.

And to do that, we knew we had to create content that spoke towards the problem, and we also provided a means to do

so.

And so we were able to do that through the Legislator tab, but we also did that this year by traveling to

Idaho, to Kentucky, to speak to local legislators in their areas who are

working to criminalize and end abortion in their area.

And so we shared that content with you guys on Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

We shared it across our social media platforms.

We got you connected to those legislators and let you guys know about what they're about to be doing.

And so we have every plan to get involved to help and notify people about the message that

they're saying.

And so we have so much more to do.

God has given us such a tremendous opportunity as a local church to have a justice and mercy

ministry that affects not only our local community here at Apologia Church, but it also

affects Christians nationwide.

And it actually works to bring justice and mercy to image bearers of God across the nation.

275 local churches across the country have been connected.

So if you consider, if you partnered with us this last year, if you prayed for us, if you gave financially to this work, just

know that we are so grateful for what you did and just know that God blessed us beyond

what we expected.

So 275 local churches across the country, we raised $250 ,000 towards this work

in 2017.

In comparison to the pro -life movement nationally and the money that they raised to do what they do,

that is just a drop in the bucket.

But what God did with that is beyond comprehension, truly.

If you consider it, 275 local churches with $250 ,000 raised,

it's under $1 ,000 to get a local church involved in this work

that becomes in itself a truly biblical crisis pregnancy center that has centered on the

gospel, that's a work of the local church, that provides for the needs of mothers and fathers, that

cares for them, that saves the lives of children, and that is actively involved in even discipleship with those

women.

And so for under $1 ,000 this last year, God allowed us

to get 275 churches, which is less than $1 ,000 to get a local church

involved in this fight.

Also with the numbers, 275 churches across the country, we have some churches that saved 130

children, some 30, some 20.

We just did some numbers and we said, what if 275 churches save just 10,

just save 10 babies a year?

Some of them are doing much more than that.

But let's say they save just 10 a year.

That would be $90 to save a life, $90.

That's just tremendous.

And we didn't expect those kinds of results.

And it can only be God.

It can only be God.

So I just wanted to encourage you guys this next couple of hours here, we're going to share with you guys all the content that we

have been producing.

We're going to share with you guys encouraging testimonies.

We're going to share with you guys the lives that have been saved.

And we're going to ask you guys to pray with us for this next year of ministry and to partner with us once again

in 2018 financially so that we can actually bring this to the next phase for Apologia

Church.

And that's getting more churches involved.

We have a goal of 250 more churches that are connected with End Abortion Now and are about this

ministry in 2018.

We also have an emphasis this year, of course, we're going to have a conference, but that's really minuscule in terms of our goals.

We're going to continue with the media frenzy that we've created to flood the internet with gospel -centered

content around abortion.

And we, of course, this year want to focus heavily on being a prophetic voice in the area

of legislation to bring justice and mercy in the area of abortion.

So I want to introduce you guys to this next clip.

People often ask us, is this important ministry to be involved in?

Should we do this as Christians?

Is it even effective?

That question was asked to me years ago when I began myself as a pastor of a local church getting

involved in this work.

We've saved about 100 lives locally, but I want to say it is absolutely necessary to be involved in

this work.

Notwithstanding the Scripture, Proverbs 24, verse 11, rescue those who are being

taken away to death, hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

We have proof, demonstrable, irrefutable proof that God does bless this ministry and He

uses it.

So why engage in the area of abortion?

We want to have that answered by showing you guys this next clip.

You walk out of here the mother and father of a dead child and the guilty

party, the one who is guilty, you're not innocent.

There's no excuse.

The Bible says something about that.

It says that the fool laughs.

I don't have any hate in my heart for you, Amber.

I care for you.

I want you to know Jesus.

I want you to be forgiven.

I want you to be forgiven of every baby that you've let in there to be slaughtered.

I will help you with every single thing you need.

I've seen hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of girls come out of here and I've never seen one sorry that they

did.

Please come out and accept the help that we have to offer.

We can help you.

So this shows, I think, the importance of the discussion is that Christians are the ones that are saying, well, we need to look at

rationality and science and we need to look at reason and we need to look at DNA and chromosomes.

We need to look at objective truth here.

And what you see on the other side is people saying, yeah, but it's more about feelings and emotions.

What do I want for myself?

There are consequences to this this day.

If you do not turn to Christ, consequences for you for eternity.

So I can't do what I want with my own body, can I?

You do what you want with your body.

You just can't do anything with anybody else's body.

So let me try this.

A person should be able to do what they want with their own body.

We shouldn't be allowed to just abuse other people's bodies.

Absolutely.

Okay.

You're killing me.

Planned Parenthood is built upon lies.

It's built upon a bankrupt position that human beings ought to be able to murder their own

children.

And you might think that they've actually become creative enough to think about some answers that would be compelling.

They don't have them.

Come out of here today.

Okay.

So where do we go with that when you're in your argument of preserving life?

We love those people.

We come alongside them.

We try to show them a better way.

We minister to their conscience.

We minister to their needs.

We care for them.

We come alongside us.

I'm in agreement with you, actually, fundamentally, that we shouldn't be able to harm other people's bodies, which is precisely what's happening in

there.

I'm glad you joined us.

So that answers the question in terms of why engage.

You know, it's interesting.

Before we started filming this, I was out at a store, and I had two guys walk

up to me, and they recognized me from our online ministry, and they were just saying how grateful

they were for the ministry that we're involved in, how excited they were.

And it was just such a blessing to hear that God is using that.

But they brought up the question of the abortion ministry, and they said, yeah, we'd love to get involved in that.

And the one guy said, but what is that like?

Are you going out there out of love for these people?

What's that like?

And I could tell that he wasn't really familiar with this kind of ministry, and it was probably very shocking to him to

hear that there's a ministry that goes out and calls people to turn from the murder of their children and offers help.

And what I said to him was that this is absolutely necessary.

Not only is it actually a command of Scripture, and that needs to be embraced.

God commands us.

He commands us as his people to rescue those who are being taken away to death, hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter.

Now, just consider this.

The next part of that verse is so important to listen to.

It says,

That's devastating.

It really is.

And it was one of the things that challenged me early on in terms of getting involved in a ministry like this.

Well, what I said to these young men was that God commands this kind of work, and I said that this is not

pretty ministry.

It's not easy.

This is not like we're doing this Saturday at Apologia Church.

We're going out to do abortion, sorry, homeless outreach where we feed them, take care of their needs.

We give them little goody bags with socks and those sorts of things.

That ends with a hug.

These people afterwards are hugging us.

Now, you go to do abortion mill ministry, and people try to hit you with their cars.

They throw stuff at you.

You might get beat up.

We had a friend who was knocked unconscious, and he was continually beaten while he was unconscious.

This is ugly ministry.

The people who are going in will curse you out.

People are threatening towards you.

You can get arrested.

You can get charged with crimes just for being out there, as one of our friends was last week.

And so this is not easy ministry.

It is not pretty ministry.

You are really at the gates of hell.

You are really confronting darkness where it is most dark outside of those abortion mills.

But God commands us to this kind of work.

If you think about the accusation made to the early church in the book of Acts, they were being accused of filling

Jerusalem up with this teaching.

That's what the early church was involved in.

They were involved in public proclamation, the heralding of the gospel, the defense of the gospel, in the

public square, in the marketplace.

That's where they brought it.

They were bringing the gospel in the hardest places.

And so you want to know why the church turned the world upside down in the first century.

It's the same God and the same gospel.

It's just that their methodology was to go out to where people were at and to even create riots, not on purpose,

but through the faithful proclamation of the word of God.

And that's what turned the world upside down in the first century.

And we believe that's what God calls us to today.

So why engage with the gospel?

I would say, number one, because God commands it.

And also, if you think of the fruit of the labor, you know, there's some churches that are connected with end abortion now,

right now that are going out with the same message.

They've saved more children than Apologia Church in their local area.

And the fruit of the ministry is undeniable.

When you hold these babies in your arms who have been saved from death, just moments away from it,

it changes you.

There's no question.

It changes you for good.

And you can't go back once you've experienced that tremendous blessing of holding these children in your arms.

And when someone says, why engage?

Again, God commands it.

But also, look at the fruit of the ministry.

You know, recently, you can go look at it on YouTube at Apologia Studios.

We went to Kentucky to the last standing abortion mill in Kentucky.

And we recorded that.

And I got to speak to the women who were inside the lobby there.

And if you watch that video, you'll see the message we deliver, the spirit in which we deliver it.

And you'll also see that after that message was preached to those women, there was a life

saved, at least one life saved, where the woman walked out after the preaching and a life was saved.

So why engage?

Well, God commands it.

The gospel is the power of God for salvation.

And I would say, look at the fruit.

Look at the fruit.

You guys last year, you believed what God was doing.

You prayed for us.

You gave financially.

And because you did, 2017 ended with, if you put it all together,

probably thousands of lives saved from death because of your labor with us through

Apologia Church.

Next, I'm going to show you this video, again, in terms of why engaging with the gospel.

Why use the gospel?

Why stand in the word of God?

I want to warn you as we play this clip that there is cursing.

This is not easy to watch.

But this will answer the question, why engage with the gospel?

Please take a look.

This is what Planned Parenthood has to offer.

Cowbell.

When asked to answer substantial, meaningful questions,

they blast the music and they shake a cowbell.

This is the premier example of Planned Parenthood supporters.

They love death.

They have no argumentation.

This is their response to a question.

Laugh.

You need to come to Christ and live.

Sir, sir, I love you, and I want you to know.

You can be forgiven in Christ, my friend.

You can have eternal life for the God that you've sinned against.

Christians, you can do this.

You can bring the gospel to this place.

You can do like people did this week in Las Vegas.

They began abortion ministry, saved two children.

You just need to be here with the gospel.

You need to come.

You need to speak the light of the gospel into this place.

You need to reach these people with love because they are a part of the culture of death.

We want you to know something, just the last thing I'll say to you, and I really appreciate you stopping.

We're here because we're forgiven, because we're saved.

God loves us.

He died for our sins and rose from the dead.

And the message is that all who turn from their sin to come to Him will be forgiven, and that's what we want for you.

That's the message.

I appreciate that.

I appreciate you, James.

God bless you, man.

You too.

Thank you.

If you are right and the world is the way that you say it is, then all of our disagreements don't matter

anyways.

There's no justice or right ahead of any of us at all.

All of this is meaningless and purposeless anyway if your view is right.

If I'm right, then that comes with some serious implications and consequences.

If I'm right, that means that you truly are in the image of God, valued, worthy of dignity and love,

but also you're fallen just like me before Christ, and you need peace with God.

We know, obviously we have the gospel, we have the true message of eternal life, but we also have science,

biology on our side.

The woman's body is biologically and scientifically different from the child's

body, and everything that you heard right there is nothing more than hostile rebellion against God.

Christian, that's why you need to bring the gospel to these places of death because it's not just the men and the women going inside to

murder their child that need it, it's lost people like that, and that's why you need to be here.

An important aspect of this entire mission is to make the biblical worldview, the Word of God, the foundation of our

fight.

The pro -life movement in the United States and now what they're shipping out internationally to places like

Ireland is an abysmal failure in many respects, but in particular it's a failure in terms of it

fails to be gospel -centered and it fails to be fundamentally a Christian

mission.

And so why engage with the gospel?

The answer is because the reason for abortion is we're rebels against God.

The reason for abortion is Romans chapter 3, it says, There is none righteous, no, not one, none who seeks for God.

Their throats are open graves.

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

And it says that their feet are swift to shed blood.

Their feet are swift to shed blood.

So why does abortion exist?

It exists because we're fallen.

And one of the interesting things that needs to be addressed, not interesting, it's an important element that cannot be missed and the

pro -life movement misses it, is that you can convince people

all day long on the biological elements of this entire discussion.

You can talk about the, of course, the sled argument, and we use that as well in terms of answering that objection.

And you can demonstrate that it's a human being by nature in the womb.

You can do that all day long, and we do.

But what you'll hear oftentimes, people will say, I don't care that it's a human being.

I don't care that it's a baby.

I should still be able to murder my own child.

I should still be able to kill my child.

If you don't believe me, you need to watch the content we recorded this year.

So you can see people saying that to us.

It is about the gospel.

People need a heart change.

The people going into the mills need a heart change.

They need a new heart before God.

They need reconciliation with God.

And the people who are driving by those mills, they need to hear the gospel.

And one of the things you may have noticed this last year, as we've put out content, we've livestreamed outside the abortion mill,

is that the community around the abortion mill sees what's going on outside of the abortion mill,

and they start engaging as well.

It's not just about the women and men going inside the abortion mill.

It's about being a prophetic, biblical, gospel -saturated voice to the world around the

abortion mill.

And you have probably noticed that taking place this last year, and some of the content that we've shared with you, you've seen it.

I'll just say this before I introduce this next clip.

This last year, VICE, the internationally renowned documentary channel,

VICE, they have content, their own channel.

They have content across social media.

They make some of the greatest documentaries today.

They're obviously very liberal in their perspective, but it's high -quality stuff, very beautifully done, well -done media.

They, because of the noise they've been making, they heard about us, and they wanted to come and talk to me and get sort of a perspective of what

we're doing here.

And we made so much noise that they came out to do a documentary on us, and that should be coming out soon.

I don't expect it to be very positive in terms of weighted towards making us look good, but it's

still our ability to speak to the culture.

What's interesting is that even seeing VICE come out towards us and asking us questions, they were, I

think, surprised in many respects by the consistency in terms of specifically Christian ministry.

That's one of the reasons they wanted to interview us, because we're a Christian church that's engaged in this fight

and being a light to the culture.

And so having the gospel as the foundation is the only effective means to

address the issue of abortion in our nation, because you know what?

If abortion was made illegal tomorrow on any other ground than Christ, then we

haven't solved the problem of our culture.

It's still a culture of death.

It's still a culture that's in rebellion to God, and they still need Jesus.

You could stop somebody from killing their child, but if you don't give them the good news of salvation in Christ, it's a

Band -Aid, ultimately.

So you must engage with the gospel and the biblical worldview to be philosophically consistent, to be biblically consistent, and

to actually be Christian in this fight.

So I want to introduce you to this next clip we're going to be playing for you guys.

You've seen this before.

Marcus, this is the one we played last year, am I right?

Yeah.

Okay, so this is a clip that you all saw last December, and this was the clip where we

notified all of our friends and all of our partners about an amazing

opportunity we had.

We had a friend of ours who contacted us.

He has a passion to end abortion in our nation, a wonderful and solid brother in Christ who had the

ability last year to give to us some money to work on our goal, our plan, which we've been

sitting on for a while.

He offered us $125 ,000 in matching donations to get to our goal, and we met our

goal because of your faithfulness and your love and your support.

And so we let everybody know about what our plan was for the year.

We wanted to create a platform, platforms to have weekly content

that engaged the culture with a biblical worldview.

We provided news content and commentary on cultural issues and to mobilize the church

across the nation to end abortion immediately, and we were able to do that.

We also wanted to provide a conference where we got everyone essentially equipped and made ready, and

everyone goes back home to do the same kind of work that we were doing.

We wanted to provide a platform where people can come and get free training and free resources, and I want to

stress that what we've done with endabortionnow .com,

all of it, all of it, all of it has been absolutely free.

No church had to pay for us to ship stuff to them.

No church had to pay for the resources.

No church had to pay for the training.

Everything was free, and we were even able to bring out pastors and leaders of churches for free.

We footed the bill to bring them out to get them connected and trained to send them back.

So we did that as well, but we also had the opportunity over this last year to speak prophetically to our

culture in terms of the legal aspect of this fight, and some of that content you guys can see on This Is Why.

That's a platform we created with our director of communications, Zachary Conover.

We created that itself to be a training resource for the church nationwide in

terms of consistent philosophical and Christian and legislative fight

in the area of abortion.

And so we got to do all of that, and God blew it up.

Not only was it millions and millions and millions of views and millions of hours watched of content,

but it was also everything we wanted and more with getting churches connected with the conference, everything we wanted and more

with the legislative aspect, but we have more coming in 2018.

Take a look at last year's video.

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We're going to build a national movement made up of local churches across the country.

We're going to teach Christians how to do ministry outside of their local abortion clinics.

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abortion ministries locally, as well as how to mobilize and partner with other churches nearby.

Oh, and by the way, we're buying a bunch of pastors plane tickets so they can join us too.

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This new media platform will inform and connect people around the world, broadcast live news programming, provide

sharp and cutting commentary from a Christian worldview, and will finally allow a consistent and

uncompromising biblical worldview to bring the truth about abortion into the mainstream conversation.

We want to flood the internet with content that engages with the gospel in such a way that it changes the

conversation of our culture.

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So one of the exciting things that we got to do this last year was we got to create platforms

for regular engagement with the Christian community and outside the Christian community in the area of abortion

related to a gospel -centered fight against abortion.

And so we knew, and this is unfortunate, and I just want to be completely transparent with everybody, we knew that if we

did simply a weekly show on abortion, we knew that the numbers would unfortunately be

very, very small.

We wouldn't be able to have the kind of reach that we wanted to have.

We also recognized that we need to break out of the reformed ghetto and get out to

Christians really in the more broad stream across our nation to fight against abortion

as Christians.

We knew that we needed to break out of that, so we wanted to create a platform.

We can have a weekly engagement with the church across the country.

We could address cultural issues, broad cultural issues with the biblical worldview, all things ultimately

leading to the culture of death in our nation.

And we wanted to have that platform consistently alerting the church to important things in the

area of our fight, talking to legislators and all the rest.

And we wanted to be able to constantly point Christians back to endabortionnow .com to get connected.

The blessing of it is that we were sort of hung at about 150 to 165 churches.

When we launched next week, we went all the way up to about 275 churches.

So we were able to add like 100 churches since launching the next week program.

So that was a tremendous blessing.

So that was the plan.

Of course, there was also This Is Why, which is incredible.

I have to say that one of the things that sort of gnaws at me is that This Is Why hasn't been seen by

more people.

It's been seen by a lot, but it needs to be seen by a heck of a lot more because it is truly golden.

And that stuff is amazing.

Zach has done a great job.

But this is why equipping the church and letting you guys know about the important aspects of, I would say,

failure in the pro -life movement and how do we reshape it?

How do we reform it, fix it, and make it essentially Christian?

And so that's been amazing.

And here's what's really amazing about it is that our regular engagement platform

idea was about one -fifth of last year's projected budget.

One -fifth.

And so it was really small in terms of the total number that we needed for all that we were going to do.

But the blessing of it is that we knew that there was an important element.

I mean, 100 churches added is pretty awesome.

But the blessing is that we actually were able to fund that completely through the giving of a member of

Apologia Church.

So God gave us this incredible opportunity.

We had a passion for this thing.

And God gave us the ability to do it through a member of Apologia Church, which was incredible.

And then that platform ended up doing really more than you necessarily expect.

I mean, so many people saw that content and were made aware of endabortionnow .com.

And so many churches got connected as a result of that platform.

So it was a huge blessing.

Again, one -fifth of our entire budget.

It was funded by a member of Apologia Church.

It went beyond what we hoped it would do.

We do have bigger plans for it next year to just have regular engagement with the culture, with the biblical worldview, and to constantly point

people back to End Abortion Now to get them connected and to get them on and in the fight.

And the great thing, if I could just say this, is that we knew and we know

we've got to break out of the Reformed community and speak to Christians really across the

Christian culture to get involved in this fight in a consistent way.

And next week with Jeff Durbin did that.

This Is Why did that.

We have a new one coming.

Zach, what's it called?

Is it called This Is Your Baby?

Yes.

Okay.

We have a new one coming called This Is Your Baby that's so awesome.

You're going to see that.

Mark, they're going to see that in this, right?

It's coming up.

All right, guys.

So I wanted to introduce you to that and let you guys take a look at some of what God did with the

platform that we had hoped would be a blessing, and it was.

It was Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

Take a look.

Welcome, everybody, to the first episode of Next Week with Jeff Durbin.

I am Jeff Durbin, and this is the only Christian late -night talk show.

Wonderful news.

We just got word that there were two saves, two lives saved in Delaware this week, so praise God

for that.

Yes.

God uses the message, and he saves lives.

We met with a man named Senator Dan Forman.

You said that these initiatives have been shot down by the pro -life people, and you're right.

Some of the pro -life people came to me at the statehouse and said, you need to stop what you're doing

because you're destroying everything that you work for.

If you believe that abortion is morally wrong,.

Then you never have to have one.

Now in the 21st century, we have a black woman using the same arguments that people used to keep

slavery legal.

Don't want a slave?

Don't own a slave.

End abortion now is the heartbeat of this show.

How many babies do you think have been saved through your efforts outside of that abortion mill?

I have never saved one baby, but I've been able to go there and be able to see God move, and 20 to 30

girls a month choose lives there.

We just got word from some of those Christians, actually, that are joined up with us in Pennsylvania, and they

sent us some pictures.

Twins saved from the work that we're doing right now with endabortionnow .com.

We wanted, of course, to end the show today, as always, pointing everyone to endabortionnow .com.

Let's go to endabortionnow .com.

Endabortionnow .com.

Do you see how important it is?

This year has been tremendous, and as you can see from the clips from next week, we were able to

provide a weekly platform to communicate to the church around the world, of course, but specifically our

emphasis across the United States weekly about end abortion now to get people connected.

And so that's been amazing.

We got to interview people like Jason Stapleton, Austin Peterson, Doug Wilson.

We wanted to be able to reach into other communities to

promote the gospel, the biblical worldview, and to talk about the issue of abortion.

And we were effectively able to do that this year with Next Week.

So we want to thank God for that opportunity and thank God that he provided for us a means to fund that

show through a member of Apologia Church.

He's just been so gracious to us and so faithful to us.

And it's really been a blessing too because what we were able to see with Next Week is that we had

so many people that saw it, and we did some number crunching and looked around.

And it's really a recent platform for us, and it did effectively add 100 churches

to the church count we have for local ministries starting up.

But it's also one of the shows that has the most live views of Christian

media sources, and so that's been great.

You know, late night shows are like the go -to place for like fireside chats for communities.

And so we were able to engage the culture, to talk about abortion, refute pro -abortion

argumentation, and to point people to EndAbortionNow.

So God blessed that in a tremendous way, and so we're just grateful to be a part of it.

We have so much more planned, and I just want to point all of you to EndAbortionNow

.com.

We are raising funds for next year's mission.

This year we were able to save so many lives and to start so many ministries.

We have a goal for 250 more local churches in 2018.

I actually think we're going to surpass that goal, but we've set a goal for 250 local churches starting next

year.

That would be 500 local churches, over 500 local churches that are now involved in this fight by the end of 2018.

And if you consider, again, if each church saves 10 children, it's an amazing thing.

Many churches are saving much more than that.

So you can give at EndAbortionNow .com.

You can partner with us, be a part of this movement with us, it isn't wrong

to point to the fact that all of you who participated with us in 2017,

if not for your participation, this would not have happened.

It isn't wrong for me to point out to you that if not for your faithfulness, you were the means of

God, and if not for your faithfulness, there are lives that would not have been saved this year.

That's a tremendous thing to consider.

And, you know, hindsight is one thing to think about, but it is true.

If this didn't exist, if these churches weren't equipped and given resources and trained for this kind of work, if they weren't doing this

work, then literally lives would be lost.

And there's no way to fully understand or

comprehend that, but that is the truth of the matter.

Through your partnership, we were able to be a witness to the culture, we were able to equip churches, they got

involved, lives were saved.

If there wasn't the participation of Christians, just like yourself, then these lives would have been lost.

And so we're just so grateful and humbled.

I'm going to introduce this clip to you guys.

This is Ray Comfort, a friend of ours with Living Waters Ministries.

We've done some stuff with Ray before in the past, and this year we had a really great discussion with Ray about the issue of abortion in our

country.

We think it'll really bless you guys.

And as I point you there, I want to remind you that this is a movement of the Christian

church with the gospel at the center.

We wanted to interview Ray because that's what he believes about this.

And so we think that this will bless you, this conversation.

We have plans for many more conversations just like this with men like Ray in 2018.

And these are the kinds of things that open people's eyes to the truth and they get them involved in the fight.

So again, one last time, I want to encourage you guys to pray for us, number one, and number two, go to endabortionnow .com,

give, and you can partner with us also by sharing this content to let people know about what happened and

also to get them involved with us.

Partner with us in this fight to end abortion immediately in our nation.

Here's Ray.

How should we as Christians be talking about abortion?

Because you do it in a very particular way that is often different than many in the pro -life movement do.

And that's a frustrating thing.

It's disheartening at times to see people minimize the necessary damage that has to be

caused for me to turn away from this awful sin, right?

And you do it in a way that exposes the true nature of it.

You talk about the Holocaust.

You bring association.

That's a real association.

The parallel is clear and necessary.

And so you talk about it in a way that Scripture would talk about it.

You talk about it as image of God.

You talk about it as sin.

You talk about it as murder.

You call people to repentance, those sorts of things.

How should we in the church be talking about abortion to have the impact necessary to see this

awful thing end?

Well, the gospel is the only answer to the abortion issue.

We've got to go to the root.

You know, lay the ax at the root.

Abortion epitomizes the wicked nature of mankind.

To kill your own offspring?

I mean, just think, if we went around killing puppies, the world would go crazy.

Or killing kittens.

They'd go crazy.

Even if the puppy's still in the womb and we're going to kill this one.

We don't want it around the house.

They'd go crazy, and yet they kill their own offspring because of selfish reasons.

So you've got to go to the root cause of that selfish reason.

When people die without Christ, they're not separated from God.

They go to hell.

You know, it's not a Christless eternity.

It's hell.

And a day doesn't go by when I'm not horrified.

My breath is taken away with the reality of hell.

And so that's, when I meet someone who's pro -abortion, I don't want to talk about abortion.

I want to talk about their sin.

Because I know the second they repent and trust Christ, God's will becomes their will.

When I became a Christian, immediately I was pro -life.

No one talked me into it.

I was anti -adultery, anti -fornication, anti -pornography, anti -everything.

It was an abomination to God because he gave me a new heart and new desires and caused me to walk in his statutes.

That's the answer.

That's how to close up abortion clinics.

Close up the heart to sin through the gospel.

So Ray, I wanted to ask you a pretty important question that relates to everything

you're saying.

And it has to do with the pro -life movement, how the fight has been going for a long

period of time.

We hear people that are leaders in what is called the pro -life movement will say things like, we need to take a backdoor

approach.

We can't make this fight explicitly about Jesus.

It needs to not be about God's word, God's law.

It needs to not be about Jesus.

We just have to convince people that it's a human being in the womb.

That's really our role here where we will see victory and we'll see the heart of the nation changed.

They just need to know it's a human being in the womb.

And so that's how it's often fought.

As a matter of fact, I spoke to one of the leaders of the biggest pro -life organization

in the nation.

He's the vice president.

And he said exactly that.

Backdoor approach.

Don't talk about scripture.

Don't make it about the gospel.

What do we say to that, right?

There was an area of road where cars continually go off a cliff and people would get killed.

So the council got together and they built an ambulance at the bottom of the cliff or put a hospital at the bottom of the cliff and a morgue.

That's not dealing with the problem.

You've got to straighten the road.

And we've got to straighten the road with it.

It depends what the issue is with them.

What's their agenda?

Do they want to see people saved from hell?

Or do they just want to stop abortion?

Well, you stop a woman from having an abortion, she's still going to hell.

There's still a life at stake and the life of her family.

So I want to go to the root of the cause, and the root of the cause is the human heart.

See, you've got spinoff.

You've got homosexuality.

You've got adultery.

You've got fornication.

You've got pornography.

You've got abortion.

All these issues are destroying society.

And do we want to fix society?

Or do we want to see people saved from damnation, born into the kingdom of God?

Well, I'm for the second.

What do you say to the person, Ray, that says, you know, you did the 180 movie.

I think it's great as a Christian.

I agree with what you said.

But, Ray, I don't think it's necessary for us to get involved in these issues.

Let the world be the world.

Let the church be the church.

Why are you trying to speak into those issues?

I mean, just focus on the needs of the church.

Don't address these difficult issues.

Because, you know, Ray, when you say to a woman, this is sin, abortion is sin, you've immediately separated

yourself from being able to be a friend to her, to have a relationship with her.

You just need to love her, Ray.

You know, you're doing the wrong thing by talking about it and relating it to the Holocaust.

You're not making any friends, and you're certainly not loving women who are struggling with abortion.

What do you say to that?

It's God's smile that I'm after and not man's.

And God knows my motivation by talking to a woman about abortion is love.

That's the motivation.

Love of Christ constrains me.

If I didn't have the love of God in me, I'd be up in Australia.

I'm from New Zealand, but up in Australia.

There's better surf there.

I'd be an old surf dude, long hair, looking like seaweed, and just surfing, self -indulgence.

But because I love, I want to warn people about how and how abortion is wrong.

It's taking the life of your child.

We're called to be salt and light.

And it's wrong to just be light, and it's wrong just to be salt.

Salt stops the rot, and we've got to speak out on these issues that are rotting society.

But we've got to go hand -in -hand with the light of the gospel, always.

Yes.

So one of the things that we wanted to do in 2017 is we wanted to start engaging

consistently, philosophically, as Christians, and consistently in the legislative aspect

in the area of abortion.

So that means we needed to equip the church across the nation in terms of what is the problem

in terms of philosophical methodology approaching the ending of abortion in our country.

We also knew we had to equip people in terms of what is our system of law.

How do you end abortion in a nation where the Supreme Court has ruled with Roe v. Wade?

And what we did was we tried to provide as much content as possible to teach people that Roe

v. Wade is just a court opinion.

Courts cannot make laws in our nation, and every state has the

ability with their sovereignty to end abortion immediately and criminalize it in their state.

Just as an example, there are three states, Idaho, and there's more than this, but Idaho, Arizona, and

Texas, all three states.

Abortion is illegal in their code.

So in Arizona, there's a current law.

It's never been modified, never been changed.

It's on the books.

Abortion is a criminal act in Arizona.

Abortion is a criminal act in Idaho.

Abortion is a criminal act in Texas.

And somebody might say, well, then why is abortion taking place in those states?

And the answer is, is we've all bought into the fiction that Roe v. Wade is a law.

It is not a law.

Our constitutional documents state specifically that it is the Congress that creates law in our country,

not the Supreme Court.

Courts cannot make laws.

And so one of the things that has to happen is we need to educate people across the United States that states have the

ability with their own sovereignty to reject the decree, the wicked decree, of a court like the Supreme

Court that says that you can murder a human being in the womb.

Now, it's already taking place in our country.

States do this.

They've done it since the times of slavery.

They've rejected the higher opinion, or I would say the court, the opinion of a higher court,

and they did it with slavery.

States are doing it now in the area of marijuana legislation.

You've got states like Colorado, states like Washington, states like Arizona that have legal,

they have released the restrictions around marijuana.

They've legalized marijuana in their states, and they've told the federal government, we're not going to listen to you.

That's because they're acting lawfully in those respects by exercising their state sovereignty and rejecting

the opinion of a higher court.

We can do that with abortion, and we ought to do that with abortion, but it's not going to happen.

It will not happen unless Christians across the country are educated in the area of

the legislation, and so we want to do that in 2018 in a profound and

meaningful way.

Our plan is to engage this issue in 2018 and put an emphasis on the area of

legislation in terms of speaking prophetically to our culture, to our communities, to the legislature in

terms of consistency, consistent Christian witness, and in terms of what is

actually lawful in our country.

Now, that's only going to take place if people are educated, which takes content, which takes media, and our hope is

that God will give us the grace and the opportunity to be that witness in our culture, and so the only way that's going to take place is if

you partner with us and you help us to make that content and to get it across social media, to equip local

churches and Christians across the country to speak in this area, to demand an immediate end to

abortion in our nation.

So I'm going to point you to some of the people we talked to this last year in the area of legislation.

It was really an amazing opportunity we had to speak to people in Idaho and in Kentucky that are

working on the problem, that know that abortion is illegal in their state, and they're working to actually uphold those

laws.

Check it out.

Good evening.

In a landmark ruling, the Supreme Court today legalized abortions.

The majority in cases from Texas and Georgia said that the decision to end a pregnancy during the first three months

belongs to the woman and her doctor, not the government.

Thus, the anti -abortion laws of 46 states were rendered unconstitutional.

Well, I'm Dan Johnson, and I love God.

That's what I do.

I love God, and I'm a family guy.

I have a wife.

We have four children together, grandkids, and I'm a legislator, and that's

the order that goes in, by the way.

And I'm working here in Kentucky as a state legislator, the 49th

District.

Who you are and what you do in the state of Idaho.

Okay, well, I am a state senator.

I'm one of the 35 state senators in Idaho.

I'm from District 5, which is Latah County and Benelock County.

So, getting into politics was definitely not what I set out in my career to do, actually.

My wife and I wanted to be missionaries, and that's why we went to law school, to have an avenue to be a tent maker in

some part of the world where the price was less known.

But through the process of adopting Mold and Son and opening my law firm, and just little by little,

and mostly through the pro -life advocacy route, I just got more experience in politics.

And I woke up one day, and I thought, man, I'm probably going to raise my children and grandchildren here.

And so it became really clear that the Office of Attorney General, which is like the top prosecutor of the state,

it became really clear that that office, if it desired to, if the Attorney General desired to eradicate

legal abortion, he or she absolutely could.

Something that would be so much more simplistic, that if we just came at this from what God said, that at

conception, we have a life.

That's the beginning.

You can't have biological science.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

It really trickles down to every elected official to use their power, everything within their tool belt, to protect children from murder.

No longer can we accept the cop -out that, hey, I'm pro -life, but gosh, I wish I could do something.

You know, that old nasty Roe v. Wade, that's just a legal myth.

Roe v. Wade is not the law of the land any more than a bully is the law of the playground when he asks for the little kid's lunch money.

Getting involved in contentious issues interferes with re -elections.

Right.

What we're trying to do is we're trying to save the lives of image bearers.

We've got to stop it.

Yes.

Some of the pro -life people came to me at the Statehouse and said, you need to stop what you're doing.

We just want our elected officials to have at least as much courage to protect children from murder.

All of our code says abortion is murder.

It's right here.

It says it.

Give me an example.

Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, including but not limited to a human embryo or fetus with

malice aforethought.

So it appears the intentional killing of a human embryo or fetus is murder.

Abortion was created by wicked, horrible, wicked

politicians.

And we're trying to get the message out there that the states no longer need to wait on, they've never needed

to wait on this federal court to overturn Roe v. Wade.

We have the sovereignty, the authority to protect children from murder.

We don't have to wait on the federal government.

To overturn Roe v. Wade.

What are you doing?

How are you going after Roe v. Wade?

How are you stopping abortion?

You're not.

And all you have to do and all I have to do now is stand up and really do what we're called to do.

That's right.

And righteousness can prevail.

That's right.

Righteousness can prevail.

It does.

We have to reach people and open their eyes.

And if you're hearing this and you've never had anyone speak to you this way, you need to grab this.

All it's going to take is one state to break free and win this,

and it's going to happen.

It's going to happen because...

Here's why it's going to happen.

It's going to happen because there's a you.

So last year, one of the plans that we had was to provide a platform that churches across the country

could come to, they could get free training and free resources on how to do this kind of work.

They could get equipped and they can get pointed to their local state government to demand an immediate end to

abortion.

We were able to effectively do that.

We created endabortionnow .com as the landing spot for churches to go.

Again, 275 local churches across the United States have gotten connected with us, and they're doing the work of

ministry now in their local area.

And we were able to be a part of that, and it's a humbling experience to be able to do such a thing.

But we were able to do that at endabortionnow .com.

And so next year, the plan is, in 2018, to add 250 more local

churches from across the country to be about the same work in ministry to actually

establish justice and mercy ministries out of their local churches

and to be about the same work.

So 250 next year is our goal.

275 is what we have right now.

We hope to continue with what we've done this last year in providing the free

training and free resources to churches.

It really is, if I can share with you, it was a tough, tough thing.

It was very difficult for us.

It was something we didn't expect.

The tremendous difficulty of sending out these massive kits to local

churches in Alaska, in Maine, in Delaware, in Michigan, in Florida, in Texas.

We had to work really hard in getting the right kind of resources.

So we have signs, we have tracks, we have even like a cone to call out to women if they're far

away.

That was one aspect of it.

The other aspect was actually getting it to the churches.

These are actually really big signs.

And believe it or not, it's difficult to ship stuff of this size across the country in

mass quantities like we did this last year.

But God gave us a special relationship with, I think it's

FedEx, to be able to do the work that we're doing.

And so we were shipping these things out on a regular basis across the country.

It's actually really hard to do.

And to do it at no cost to the church was an important thing for us.

We wanted to be able to bless these churches and to take away every excuse not to do this work.

So if somebody said, first objection, I don't know what to do, what we would say is go to

endabortionnow .com, sign in, and start watching the training videos.

And so we take away that objection.

Somebody might say, I don't have any resources to do this.

We say, fantastic.

Here's your resources.

Well, I don't have the money to pay for those.

That's no problem.

We're paying for it for you.

So we were able to do all of this to put the website up, which is actually a pretty big process, believe it or not,

to put the training up and to provide the resources, all of it at absolutely no cost to

the churches.

That, to my mind, to my knowledge, is something that has not ever been done before.

As a matter of fact, the ministry that you helped to create, this ministry, let me say that again.

The ministry that you helped to build and create, this ministry, to my

knowledge, it's the only time a local church, a local church, not a separate

parachurch organization, but a local church, has done this kind of ministry and provided free resources across the

country to local churches in the way that we have.

It's never been done before, and you did that, and so thank you.

But our plan is, again, next year, 250 more churches, all given free resources and free

training to be about the same work to create a justice and mercy ministry at their own local church, and that

effectively, again, makes, it effectively makes a local church what crisis

pregnancy centers attempt to do.

Again, the difference is, is a local church, if it's a faithful Christian church, is gonna make the

fundamental aspect of it the gospel, and they're gonna tell the women the gospel, they're gonna work on discipleship,

and the incredible opportunity presented to a local church is you have a community in a local church

where a woman comes in who didn't kill her baby, and now that local church can provide for the diapers, they can provide

for the crib, they can provide for the clothing, they can provide food and shelter, they can provide

financial assistance because that community works together to bless those women, and then more than that, when

they lead these women to Christ and these men to Christ, they can also disciple them so that

effectively does what crisis pregnancy centers attempt to do except now

it takes that responsibility and it puts it on the local church where it should be in the first place.

It's supposed to be the local churches that do this sort of ministry, and your labor, and

your giving, and your prayers for end abortion now has made all of that possible.

I can't stress that enough to you.

Because you participated with us in ministry, you made it possible, and can I ask you

to make it possible again in 2018.

You may not know this.

It may not even look like it.

This is actually pretty snazzy stuff.

This is pretty sweet stuff, right?

This set's pretty cool.

Luke did an amazing job.

Daniel did an amazing job.

Ivy did an amazing job helping to build this thing.

It actually is pretty amazing, right?

You see all this stuff that Apologia Church is putting out.

Can I let you in on a little secret?

We didn't do this.

We don't have the ability to do this.

And what I mean by that is if you walked into Apologia Church on a Sunday, you would probably have the same reaction

that many people have when they come to Apologia Church.

We had people that visit us from Canada, Australia, from Holland three weeks ago that

literally come out here for their holiday, and they visit Apologia Church to come worship with us

and just to visit the area and to obviously be with us.

And the reaction that most people have when they come to Apologia Church is, my goodness, this church is not what I thought it was.

It's a really, I mean, in the context of our culture, it's a pretty small church.

We only have about 200 people in the church.

And a lot of those people that we are helping financially, putting people into apartments.

We just bought a family a car last week so they can have another vehicle for their family so work works out for

them.

We bought a vehicle for a single mother.

We're taking care of the needs of our church.

We don't have a lot of resources.

So when you look at what God has done with all of this, all the media, all the content, everything, and abortion now,

the fact of the matter is we're a small church and we don't have the resources for such a thing.

So what God has done all these years of ministry is he's always provided

everything that we need to do the kind of ministry that we do through you, through you, through

your support.

That's just a fact.

That's how God does it.

It's never been able to be some, it's never been something that we've been able to do ourselves.

It's always been the church around the world giving towards our mission, our work.

So whatever you see, if you see something for Mormonism, it's our supporters that have made that possible.

If you see something for atheism, you made it possible.

If you see something for abortion, you made it possible.

And end abortion now can't really happen through apology of church, through our own resources.

We just are a small church and it wouldn't be possible.

But God demonstrates his astonishing faithfulness and power and that he does these kinds of

things through all of us working collectively together.

And so I want to encourage you again to go to endabortionnow .com and just give there.

Just consider that we've been able to create local church ministries saving lives

for less than a thousand dollars.

Last year we had projected goals.

If you put it together at the end of the year of what we accomplished, less than a thousand dollars to have a ministry started at a local church

where they're saving lives on a weekly basis.

That's incredible.

If you do the numbers together, again, like I said at the beginning of this, if you had 10 saves per

local church, that means it's about $90 to save a life.

So I want to encourage you guys to participate with us financially.

I can't wait to show you what we're coming out with next year, all the content we have to bless the church

and equip the church.

And so you can be a part of that and you can do it right now by going to endabortionnow .com.

I want to introduce you to one of the pastors that is now out saving lives at

his local abortion mill.

I want you to hear his story.

It is so inspiring and encouraging.

I really think that you will be blessed by it and you'll love it.

Again, share this.

Please share this live stream because we believe that the church needs to hear these things.

You have the power in your hands right now to share the message.

And so I encourage you to do so.

This is Pastor Scott.

I can't wait for you to hear it.

Take a look.

One story we wanted to share with you guys in particular, it is so powerful, is the story of Pastor

Scott Hoard.

He's with Christ Life Community Church.

And so we wanted to invite him on so you guys get a chance to get to know him and to hear his incredible story.

So Pastor Scott, welcome to this special segment.

Hey, Jeff.

Great to be on.

Absolutely, brother.

So I want to introduce everybody to you.

Scott, tell us about who you are, what you do.

I am a pastor in Smyrna, Tennessee.

I'm a pastor at Christ Life Community.

I've been pastoring this small congregation going into my ninth year.

Oh, praise God, man.

Nine years as a pastor.

So you got connected to Apologia Church and are now part of this, this

mission of the gospel at the abortion mills and speaking consistently to your community around you.

How did you get involved in this kind of work?

Well, I, Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons are very active in our community here

just south of Nashville in Smyrna.

And so I was looking for resources on the internet.

I kept coming across your videos of where you're engaging Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons.

And so I kept listening to them.

I kept hearing you talk about the kingdom, the kingdom of God.

And every once in a while, I'd hear you talk about abortion.

And I just kind of put that in the back of my mind.

Well, I'm going into my third year into the abortion ministry.

Two years and about five months.

But it was about two years and five months ago I was sitting in this Starbucks behind me.

And I was extremely angry with just the narrative of our culture, what comes from the news

and really feeling almost powerless.

And so I was sitting in this Starbucks behind me and I just said, Lord, I'm angry.

I don't want it to become bitter.

I give it to you.

What do I do with this anger?

And he gave me two words, engage abortion.

And I was like, engage abortion.

So I Googled abortion.

I didn't know if it was happening in my community or where.

And so he gave me two locations in Nashville.

And it was a day later that I ended up in Nashville at one of the abortion

mills wondering if I could have an impact.

Oh, praise God.

So tell us about...

Well, let's start here.

So you get involved in this ministry.

I mean, obviously, Pastor, very much like me, you were obviously, you know, for the preservation of

human life and these children in the womb before.

But you, just like me, started fairly recently going and actually getting on your feet and going to engage

this issue with the gospel.

And it's a tough ministry.

I always try to tell people, Pastor, it's the ugliest ministry you'll ever be a part of.

So tell us about that process.

You get involved in this ministry.

You're now involved in something that is very, very difficult.

It's hard ministry.

People don't like you being there.

What has it been like for you getting into this ministry to where you're at now?

What have you learned?

What have you seen?

You know, we kind of live in the Starbucks culture.

Forgive me for using that word that name so much.

But, you know, we're in the Bible Belt, so to speak.

And there's just kind of a cloud.

You sit in Starbucks, people are drinking their lattes, they're eating their scones.

And everybody's comfortable and you kind of look around and you're like, is everybody good?

Is there any real pain in this world?

Is anybody battling suicide, depression?

Is there divorce?

And you kind of just get lost in this culture and there's nobody really engaging.

And so when I went to Welshwood, the area, the street is called Welshwood.

The place is called the Women's Center.

It sits upon a hill and there's two apartment complexes on either side.

And the residents of that community call it Hell's Hill.

And so going there, it was scary.

The way I put it is it's reality.

It gives you a true picture of where our country is, of where our communities are.

It doesn't matter if you pull up in a BMW or an old beater of a car.

You're seeing truth for what it, you're seeing the reality of where our nation is, where our country is.

And the more I stand out there, the more I realize that even here in the Bible Belt, that very few

people really know who Jesus is and very few people really know how

to have a relationship and to make it to happen and to have

salvation in Jesus.

Very, very few people realize it.

So I started talking and engaging and didn't tell anybody I was going.

And then I began to have some success.

I got my first rescue and it was just, it just had such an impact on my life.

And I realized that this is bigger than me.

And so I need to tell my congregation.

And so I told the congregation, not realizing that it would just really bring a

shock over them.

And several families really struggled with it and just left.

And I didn't expect that.

And so the biggest pushback I got back in the very beginning was from the church.

And the common question was, what are you doing and how are you representing the church?

Are you shaming people?

And so I spent a lot of time just diffusing that argument.

And so, but now two years, going into my third year, that's changed.

Our church is 100 % behind it.

But you're right, it's hard.

And it's the hardest thing I've ever encountered.

I don't want to go, but I have such a deep hatred for that wickedness

and that darkness.

I have to go.

And I know if I go, then more than likely, there's going to be a life that's saved.

And so how can you not go?

So I go and it's really the gates of hell.

It really is.

It's hit darkness head on.

And yeah.

So with that, that experience of really being there and

witnessing mothers and fathers going in to kill their children, people driving by, throwing things at you,

hurling insults, giving you the middle finger, those sorts of things, that's some

opposition.

And you mentioned something, it's compelling to me and it's painful to think about at times, but you sort of just try

to trust God and push through it.

And I've said, I'm sure you've heard me say this, Pastor, that the greatest opposition that we have

received in this ministry, the greatest opposition we've received in this ministry has been from

professing Christians.

No doubt.

Yeah.

Go ahead.

When I go, Jeff,.

Sorry for interrupting, most of the people going in,

our location's a little bit set up from what you experienced in Arizona.

I'm only 30 feet from the front door.

And so I can pretty much walk the whole parking lot.

And so I'm pretty close to these people.

And so I get to know a lot of people going in.

Most of the people going in are Christians, are professing Christians.

Right.

There's crosses on their cars, there's crosses on their neck.

They're going to church.

They don't hesitate to tell you that they've gone to church, that they've talked to their pastor about it.

Their pastor agrees with them going in.

Yeah.

And so that's hard.

That's one of the hardest things for me to say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And one of the things that I've learned to do in this ministry is I've noticed

that the great attacks that we receive when we post something across social media,

they're from people who are professing Christians who say that we shouldn't be involved in this kind of work.

It's not how you reach people.

And what I've learned is, of course I want to provide the scriptures to those people to communicate to them so

hopefully God will change their heart and open their eyes.

But I've learned that if you share a photograph of a saved child, if

you show the pictures of twins saved from death and this little boy over here, this little girl

over here, it does begin to change perspective.

You mentioned that when you saw your first save, it was a dramatic experience that

transformed you.

And I feel the same way about that myself.

So let's talk about this.

People are watching right now.

Pastor, and they're hearing about your story.

They're hearing us be a little disheartened and discouraged over the sorts of things we've experienced in this

ministry.

But let's talk about the blessings.

We get to preach the gospel to thousands upon thousands of people.

We get to minister to mothers and fathers.

But how about the moments where God displays His ability

to transform hearts and minds.

How many children have you saved from death?

Today, last Friday, was our 134th save.

134 saves.

Brother, that is absolutely incredible.

Praise God.

134.

And Jeff, it's been, you know, you speak of the blessing and you were kind of hitting on that earlier before I

came on.

You can't measure how this is just spider, the ripple effect of what you guys have

started.

But I can't measure the ripple effect of what's happened just from the two

years and four months that I've been in this.

That's right.

The ripple effect, it's still going and it's immeasurable and it's unbelievable.

We're seeing, the blessings are incredible.

One example, I had a lady, I'll call her first name Dee, she's actually in my church,

but she used to cuss me out every day from about 100 yards away.

And every day, we would invite her to engage us face to face.

But one day, she was so angry, she came over and she was cussing us out face to face and we let her talk

and eventually, I asked her if I could talk.

And so, I gave her my logical reasoning against abortion and each

part, along the way, I'd ask her, I said, do you agree with that?

She said, I agree with it.

I can't argue against that.

And so, eventually, at the end, she was like, okay, I agree with you.

And I said, well, can I give you my foundation?

And she said, yes.

And so, I gave her Christ and she started crying and she said, I feel like I'm meeting

God.

And I said, you have met God here.

And this young lady came to know the Lord.

She was pregnant, actually considering abortion.

Came to know the Lord right there.

She got baptized recently in our church.

Now, she stands with me and she had a say last week.

Wow.

It's like, it does not get any better than that.

No, it doesn't.

Wow, that's just so incredible.

Let's share more because people are watching right now.

We wanted to give everyone an update sort of year end.

What did God do?

We had plans.

We had goals.

We had hopes and dreams.

What did God do this last year?

So, we're going to be sharing over the next month and a half stories and testimonies of what God has done.

So, I just love to hear some more, Pastor.

So, you just had a save last Friday, you said.

And that was a young college student?

Yeah.

Okay.

Boyfriend, girlfriend, yeah.

Okay.

And then there's a really interesting story, though.

The one before that, you were telling me about you just also have experienced you're going into the first

adoption story as a result of being at the abortion mill.

Can you share that story?

It's really incredible.

Yes.

A young Guatemalan couple were going into the abortion mill.

And so, I was engaging them.

I always ask this question before I engage people.

I ask the Holy Spirit, just, hey, would you give me the words?

I'm not giving canned answers.

I say, give me the right presence and give me the right tone.

Give me the right words to engage these people.

And so, I'm engaging this couple.

They stop and they just watch me and they listen to me.

And then they come over and they listen to me.

They're not responding.

But they eventually get to a point where they nod their head and they agree with me that they're not going to

abort their child.

And so, I take them away from that facility.

We have a mobile unit down the road where we do ultrasounds.

And this group works with us.

Take them down there.

They get an ultrasound.

And over the next several months, I develop a relationship with them.

Well, it turns out that they don't understand English.

I don't speak Spanish.

And they didn't understand a word that I was saying.

But they felt so loved in that moment.

And they were so convicted through the love that they changed their mind.

They were sitting in my house last week.

They said they wanted to give their child up for adoption.

The father actually, I was sitting in his house with the translator several months ago.

And he said, Pastor, I want my son in your arms.

And I thought, man, what an amazing

opportunity that is.

But we have to adopt the children.

My wife doesn't want another.

And so, I said, I'll help him with the adoption process.

And so, he was sitting in my house last week.

We were talking.

And he said, through the translator, he said, I'm so grateful for

Pastor Scott leading me away from this very destructive act.

And I thought back about that moment.

I was like, wow, he didn't understand a word that I was saying.

But he felt through love.

He felt loved enough to turn away from it.

And so, in two weeks, the woman is going to have her child.

And this young couple in our community, which is another miraculous story.

I found them through a news story on the internet.

They live a mile from my house.

They had a post on their Facebook page that said, help me find my child.

I found their name through this news story.

And I sent a message to them.

And Bill Knight said, hey, I think I've got your child.

And this adoption is going to happen in two weeks.

That's just absolutely incredible.

God's providence is insane and stunning and complex

and beautiful.

Man, Pastor, it's just so encouraging to hear these stories.

Can I share?

You got time for another one?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Give us another one.

Yeah, so I had a guy who was going with his girlfriend to a

board.

He was extremely angry with us.

He had that anger that was, I call it murder in his heart.

Yeah.

Where it got to a point I knew if I said another word that I could possibly die.

And so, as the girl was going in with him, there was moments where she would come out and I would have an opportunity to

share with her.

She eventually changed her mind.

And they both came out.

They got in the car.

And it was so violent that I began to videotape because I was worried he was going to hit her.

Well, she eventually got out.

She responded to us.

She said, hey, I'm going to keep my child.

Thank you so much.

She left.

He was so enraged.

He got out and he looked at us.

And I told the people around me, I said, don't say a word.

This is the time where you just be quiet.

Well, he got in his car.

He was so enraged.

He couldn't figure out where he was and he needed direction.

So he rolled down his window, yelling at me, but asked for direction.

I gave him direction.

Well, I thought that was the end of that.

That was a Friday.

I got a phone call Saturday from a friend.

He said, I've got a buddy that needs help.

I think you're the only one that can help him.

I'm like, all right.

I said, have him call me.

Monday, I get a call from Birmingham, Alabama, three hours south of us.

And this guy calls me and we're talking and he's really hurt.

And I'm like, man, this is a strange conversation.

And so I felt I needed to ask him a couple questions.

I said, hey, were you in Nashville last Friday?

He said, yeah.

I said, were you at an abortion mill?

And he goes, yes.

I said, I'm the guy.

And he said, what are you talking about?

I said, I'm the guy.

He said, what are you talking about?

I said, I'm the guy you wanted to kill.

And he sat there silent.

And I said, before you hang up the phone, I said, what's the chances of you calling me and

asking me for help three days after you wanted to kill me?

You're calling me from Birmingham, Alabama.

And he said, it must be God.

I said, yes.

He let me share the gospel with him.

And that was it.

Man, Scott, that's nuts, dude.

That's crazy.

That is absolutely crazy stuff.

Oh, man.

So, Scott, let's ask it this way.

How has our ministry and abortion now, how has it been a blessing to

you or a support to you in any way?

How has it helped you?

Well, it's a lonely ministry because, I mean, we're in the Bible belt and we're

surrounded.

There's, I don't know how many thousands of churches within a 30 -mile radius of these abortion mills.

And there's times that I'm alone and there's a few loyal brothers that come out on a regular

basis with me.

But there's a lot of times I'm standing by myself.

So, just going to the conference last spring and knowing that there is

something rising up and God is now working, not necessarily through pastors,

but through lay people within the church or something rising up to the top, which is really good to

see.

And so it's encouraging just knowing that you're not alone and that you're not crazy.

Yeah.

Well, praise God, man.

So what words would you have for anybody who is, let's say you have people

maybe that are watching and they've heard about maybe what we're doing to end abortion now and

they see the free training and the free resources that we offer.

They hear stories like yours of Christians that have been obedient and gone out.

What would, they're on the fence now about maybe getting connected to begin this kind of work.

What kind of advice would you have for them?

You know, pray and go.

Don't let fear keep you silent and don't let fear keep

you from being engaged.

It all comes down to if you go, a life will be saved.

If you don't go, there's babies that are going to die.

But even deeper than that, it comes down to all the salvations that are connected with

this as well.

It's bigger than abortion.

It's a Jesus issue.

We're reaching Muslims.

And so, yeah, I encourage you to go.

And I was afraid.

I knew I didn't have all the answers.

I didn't have all the scripture verses that I needed to have and memorize and all

that.

But I knew I had to go.

And the first step was just observe and allow the Holy Spirit to guide me there.

And that's what I recommend.

Just go.

Well, how has this ministry coming from your

local body, how has that helped, being a part of a local

church with believers who are working together on this?

How has there been a blessing in this ministry?

Have you been able to have the church sort of work together and be an encouragement and to be prayerful and to keep each other

accountable?

How has that been a blessing?

Well, it's bigger than a person.

It's bigger than one small body of the church.

And so we're only 250 people, something like that.

And we realized real quick it's bigger than us.

We formed a nonprofit called Operation Saving Lives.

And so it forced us to get out of our border and our walls that we

sometimes put up as a church.

And it forces us to work with other churches and to have conversations with other

churches.

And so that's been one of the greatest blessings is that we have to reach beyond ourselves because it's too

big for us.

Just on a given Sunday, there's anywhere between three to five to six women from the abortion

mill where we've rescued and talked them out of killing their children.

And their children are in our church now.

And so we need help.

It's bigger than anything, than our resources.

So yeah, it's forcing us to be the bigger church, the big C.

Well, very good.

All right, Pastor Scott, thank you so much for joining us and giving us your story, man.

Just pray for God's blessings upon you and your ministry and your church as you guys continue doing what you're doing and walk

in obedience and save lives and preach the gospel, man.

Thanks, Jeff.

Thanks, Marcus.

Thanks, Zach.

All right, man.

God bless you, brother.

We'll keep praying for you.

All right, everybody.

So you got a chance to hear from Pastor Scott.

Very encouraging.

I'm sure we could just sit here and just go over all of these amazing stories.

And I mean, it's just spectacular.

You know, when you listen to stories like this, you might actually think

that it's outside of your reach, that maybe, you know, you could never be involved in work like this.

I just want to encourage you that, you know, all these stories from Christians across the country who are doing this work now.

Christians just like us, you know, we're not special.

We're not extraordinary and super mighty and powerful.

You know, these are just believers, children of God, just like you that have a heart of compassion for these

mothers and fathers, a love for these children, a love for God, a love for his gospel and his truth.

And they've just stepped outside there in obedience and they've experienced it all.

They got to experience God in the midst of it.

They've seen God change people's hearts.

They've seen the faces of these babies that are alive now in this world because they were faithful

and went out.

And so I just want to give you this encouragement, this humble encouragement.

There's nothing special about us in terms of some extraordinary

gifts that are not available to you watching this.

If you have a desire to go out and to save these lives and to go and minister to these mothers and fathers, I just

want to encourage you.

Go to endabortionnow .com, get connected with your local church, get the free resources,

get the free training.

This ministry exists for the body of Christ, your local church.

And this is one last thing I just want to say at the end of this segment.

This ministry isn't about Apologia Church and our ministry.

This is Apologia Church's outreach into the world and

our desire to equip other local bodies in your respective ministry.

And so this is just an opportunity.

We're providing a platform to help you to minister in your local context.

And so we want to encourage you to go.

Get connected at endabortionnow .com and hopefully next year I'll be interviewing you and your

church to tell everyone all the stories about what God has done in your local ministry.

Such an encouraging interview.

I mean, it blesses us so much to hear that story.

I mean, 130 lives saved.

Now adoption in the mix.

It is such a blessing.

Pastor Scott, you blessed us and encouraged us.

Thank you so very much.

Continue to pray for your ministry.

I want to introduce you to this next clip.

I can't tell you how much these things mean to us.

I have to say it's hard to take it all in.

It's so much happening.

It's babies being saved.

It's people getting involved.

It's pastors telling us about how God used this stuff to shape them and get their churches out.

It's hard for us to take it all in and I still don't comprehend it all.

And this next little clip is from a pastor named Dan who was actually

encouraged by End Abortion Now's conference.

He watched it via live stream so he wasn't able to make it to the conference but he did get a chance to see it and it's

what God used to really encourage him and mobilize him.

Take a look.

Hi Jeff, this is Dan Mastraba.

I'm a pastor at Scent Church in Sanford, Florida.

I'm out here with John Barros at the Women's Clinic here.

I want to let you know I was so stirred and inspired by the End Abortion Now conference.

I got to watch it via live stream and really the Lord convicted me and used your ministry and

the ministry of John to come out and get involved and be a part of it.

I was out here watching John proclaim the gospel of Jesus Christ here.

We saw some young ladies turn away and we know the Spirit of the Lord touched their hearts and I want to thank you Jeff and

Apology and your ministry for all you do, your labor of love, fighting the good fight of faith,

standing on the wall and I want to let you know we're here praying for you.

We support you and what you do and thank you for how you've inspired us and I'm praying the Lord uses

this as an opportunity to get our church on board and other ministers in our city to see abortion ended

once and for all.

God bless you brother.

Thank you.

There's an important aspect to this entire ministry that I do want to encourage you to embrace and that is

that as I've said before, this is not easy ministry.

It is just not easy ministry.

It is ugly.

It is dark ministry.

You are not going to go out there and be loved by people.

They're just so happy you're there.

I will say they are happy after they've turned away from killing their child.

They embrace you and they don't let go.

They put their baby in your arms and they tell people you must listen to these guys.

That does happen but it is dark and ugly ministry and it is demonic ministry.

It's just been such a ride for us because we weren't always involved in this ministry.

I know that Marcus has learned a lot this last year.

I know that I've learned a lot.

Pastor Luke and all of us really have learned so much and one of the things that

happened this year that was so interesting was that as we got involved in this fight, we

discovered that people who identify as Satanists

actually were actively involved in the fight against us.

We discovered that people who are part of the Satanic temple in their area were actually going out to the

abortion mills to be support and cover for Planned Parenthood and local abortion mills

across the country.

We had Satanists who were mobilizing other Satanists

to give to Planned Parenthood in honor of Jeff Durbin.

This year we received in the mail a number of thank you notes from Planned

Parenthood telling us about people who were donating to Planned Parenthood in Jeff

Durbin's name.

Incredible, right?

We had conflict with Satanists outside of our local abortion mill and one of those Satanists is named

Amber.

We continue to pray for Amber and if she's watching right now, we care about you Amber and we're praying for you and we do hope you come to know

Jesus.

But Amber is a local Satanist who goes out to the abortion mill to provide support to Planned Parenthood

and to escort women in to make them feel more comfortable and to try to block them from hearing our

message.

We wanted to give you guys a picture of the kind of demonic influence

that takes place outside of an abortion mill and we do hope that this displays for you

the need for the church to get involved in this fight because it is about the light of the gospel breaking into this

dark area.

So here's these clips.

Amber supports and helps the women coming inside to murdering children.

And she celebrates death.

We love Amber, we care for her.

Amber, we do pray for you.

Amber, we love you, we care for you.

And Amber, I want you to notice that your position disallows you from having a cogent argument.

So you have a cowbell.

The Christians are here to engage in rational dialogue.

The Bible says something about that.

It says that the fool...

This is actually important for the world to see.

This is the Planned Parenthood supporter that you don't see on CNN.

This is the Planned Parenthood supporter that you do not see on Fox News, MSNBC.

This is the Planned Parenthood supporter, Amber.

This is what Planned Parenthood has to offer.

Cowbell.

When asked to answer substantial, meaningful questions, they

blast music and they shake a cowbell.

This is the premier example of Planned Parenthood supporters.

They love death.

They have no argumentation.

This is their response to a question.

Laugh.

And she knows deep down in her heart of hearts that her position is folly.

It's bankrupt.

She doesn't have an answer.

Hey, Amber, I'll give you the opportunity right now.

Here's the invitation.

Let's chat without the cowbell.

Let's engage in rational discussion.

Amber, this is the challenge thrown down.

Let's talk.

I'll show respect to you.

You show respect to me.

Let's have a conversation.

You don't respect me and I don't fucking respect you.

I do care for you.

Liar!

I respect you.

Liar!

You're made in the image of God.

Hey, guess what?

Lying?

Liar!

Lying comes from the person you worship, Amber.

Satan, the father of lies?

Amber, you are a Satanist, right?

Liar!

Amber, why would you condemn me for doing what your father does?

Liar!

Amber, why would you condemn me for doing what the one you love does?

Amber, are you not a Satanist?

Amber, are you not a Satanist?

Your father is the father of lies.

Why would you condemn me for doing what your father does?

No response.

Amber, you need to know that even with your embrace of this death, even with your

embrace of Satanism, you can be forgiven if you return from your sins to Christ.

Jesus died to take away the sins of people like me and you.

Murderers, liars, people like you that have so much hate in your heart for me and

these children.

I don't have any hate in my heart for you, Amber.

I care for you.

I want you to know Jesus.

I want you to be forgiven, lost.

I want you to be forgiven of every baby that you've led in there to be slaughtered.

I want you to be forgiven for every child that you have led to the slaughter.

Every child that's had their arms and heads and legs torn

from their body.

Amber, I want you to experience forgiveness.

I don't want you to be condemned.

I don't want you to experience the wrath of God.

I want you to be forgiven.

I don't want you to be judged.

I want you to be able to move out of a position that causes you to embrace such foolishness.

Like, when a person is talking to you about your position, you come with a cowbell.

And you put your face into your smartphone.

Because you have no ability to engage.

Just consider it.

No, I don't engage with crazy.

Just consider it.

Well, there's nothing wrong with being crazy.

I have the ability to engage, I just don't engage with crazy.

No, you don't.

You don't fucking know me, you bitch.

No, you don't.

That's the best you've got.

You don't have any ability.

Fuck you.

There you go.

And that's, again, another premier example of the Planned Parenthood supporter.

Yup.

Their response to challenges is F you, cowbell.

No, I said fuck.

This is the best.

I said fuck you.

Say it.

This is the best.

You can't say it?

Oh, absolutely.

Your response to a Christian who's trying to challenge your position is fuck you.

That's the best you've got.

That's the best you've got.

And now, do you have a response?

Why do you think that it's okay for a lover to lead a child into a place to have their body torn to pieces?

You don't have an answer, do you?

Planned Parenthood supporters, as you guys watch this livestream, Planned Parenthood supporters don't

have any cogent argumentation, no coherent, meaningful worldview.

They lead these women and these fathers into Planned Parenthood to destroy their own

children.

That's what you have at a Planned Parenthood location.

What's important is that the world sees this is not the Planned Parenthood

that you see with the political talking points.

This is Planned Parenthood right now, live, in living color.

No argumentation.

I don't work for Planned Parenthood.

No argumentation.

I don't work for Planned Parenthood.

You're a Planned Parenthood supporter?

You're a Planned Parenthood supporter.

That's not a problem to be a liar, Amber.

You've given that up when you gave up Jesus Christ.

In your worldview, lying is fine.

In your worldview, lying is not a moral failure.

As a matter of fact, in your worldview, with your worship of Satan, lying is the premier example of honor.

And there she went, ladies and gentlemen.

I want you guys, hopefully, to see something.

Planned Parenthood is built upon lies.

It's built upon a bankrupt position that human beings ought to be able to murder their own

children.

And you might think that they've actually become creative enough to think about some answers that would be compelling.

They don't have them.

These people out here stand for the murder of innocent, pre -born children.

They do not have...

See, there's a celebration.

Did you see it?

There's the fist pump right there.

I said, they stand for the murder of children.

And they said, yes, this is the true face of Planned Parenthood.

This is the true face of abortion in America.

Amber, Errol, no answers.

Just love of death.

That's it.

No argumentation.

Christians, you can do this.

You can bring the gospel to this place.

You can do like people did this week in Las Vegas.

They began abortion ministry, saved two children.

You just need to be here with the gospel.

You need to come.

You need to speak the light of the gospel into this place.

You need to reach these people with love because they are a part of the culture of death.

Be a part of the culture of life.

You guys can be forgiven.

If you turn from your sins to the living God, you can be forgiven.

I want you just to pay attention to this moment.

Look.

Please, pay attention.

And that's what we hope for.

That's what we hope for.

You know why?

She's not there to kill anybody.

That's the whole point.

Even if she's not, ma 'am.

Not every woman walking down the street is a murderer of a child.

I agree.

Of anybody else.

If you want to protest murderers, why don't you protest the people being

hit on collisions?

Why don't you do that?

We're completely against that as well.

There's a lot of murdering going on.

Not just physical murdering.

Emotional murdering.

Domestic violence.

Why don't you do that?

We're against that as well.

And that's horrible.

And that's horrible.

We would stand together with you.

We would stand together with you and say that those things are awful.

I'm saying that we would...

We never said that.

I ask you why you're

upset.

We agree with you.

We agree with you.

We agree with you.

You're right.

Ma 'am, I want you to think about something.

Ma 'am, why are you so angry?

Ma 'am, why are you so angry?

Because that's what happens.

You're doing business with a place that murders babies.

You won't let us have a word, so I'm going to get a word in.

You're doing business with a place that murders babies.

It doesn't matter that you're not a woman.

We're going to clear the sidewalk here in just a moment so she can go.

Ma 'am, I want you to think about something.

There's an organization in there that harasses babies.

We do, ma 'am.

Ma 'am, you obviously don't want to let us speak, so please go in peace.

Go in peace.

We do.

I need fruit of evidence of salvation to come out of you, and all I see is the devil in you, ma 'am.

I see the devil in you, ma 'am.

The devil can do that too, ma 'am.

We don't want to argue.

We don't want to argue with you.

We tried to have a dialogue with you.

You're preaching.

You're doing business with a place that murders babies.

That's because I can see the horns in your head.

I can see it right now.

Ma 'am, we tried to have a dialogue with you, but it's obvious you don't want to talk.

There's no dialogue.

You're right, because you won't let us talk.

What are you talking about?

Are you talking about the baby?

Are you talking about the babies?

I'm not talking about you.

We proclaim...

We do.

Love lays down its life for its neighbor.

Those children and their mothers are our neighbors.

Even if they don't, ma 'am.

Ma 'am, go in peace.

You obviously don't want to talk, so go in peace.

Go in peace, ma 'am.

We're here to help them.

We offer help to every woman that goes in there.

That happens here.

Yes, it does.

Planned Parenthood does that same thing.

Ma 'am, all I have to say is turn from your sin and believe in Jesus Christ for salvation.

Go in peace.

Another clip we wanted to show all of you is probably something you've seen.

It's got a tremendous amount of views across our social media platforms.

That is our engagement with someone that we care deeply for named Jocelyn.

Jocelyn is a man who now lives as a woman.

Jocelyn identifies as a transgender woman.

Jocelyn identifies as an atheist.

Jocelyn identifies as a Satanist.

As I said before, we noticed that as we had more of a push and an effort

to bring the gospel to our local abortion mill, the people that started coming out to actually sort

of engage with us, oftentimes with cowbells and loud noise, no arguments,

many of the people that came out to engage with us were actually atheists and Satanists.

We had tremendous opportunities to create relationships with these people and to love them and to consistently, every

week, speak the truth into their lives.

And so we wanted to show you these clips to demonstrate to you that you can be a light for the gospel.

You can cast down all these arguments against Christ and abortion by being at the local

abortion mill.

And you can do it in a way that is gracious, that is respectful, that is kind, that is bold, and that is truthful.

And we wanted to show you that right now with this clip.

But, and I don't know exactly what you believe, but I would assume you're an atheist?

I'm an atheist humanist.

Humanist, you're part of the satanic temple?

I'm a non -theistic Satanist.

Satanist, right, okay.

So you're an atheist, and I just want to ask you, okay, in any kind of mean -spirited way,

but how do you make sense of the desire for justice that you have,

the care for other human beings, when you believe fundamentally that all of our ancestors were

fish, were evolved from highly evolved societies of bacteria, that there's no justice ahead of any of

us, that there's no God above us,.

That we live in a universe that doesn't care.

How do you justify it as an atheist?

I don't believe that those two things correlate to each other.

I don't believe that my belief that we came from the Big Bang Theory, and then we

evolved into this and everything else.

My belief, and actually it began with my civil rights

issues, my humanist issues, was when I became transgender.

And I went from one side of the street to the other side of the world.

I gave up the greatest privilege in the world, being a white male, and I became the most

marginalized person in the world.

And when I saw what was pushed upon me, that made me

really, really, really cognizant of what other

marginalized minorities believe.

Because when I was a white male, which we're not going to argue that, you're not going to

argue that.

That you're a white male?

When I was, don't try to twist it, I'm trying to explain this to you, okay?

I'm listening.

I was assigned male at birth.

People believed I was a white male.

I had the most privilege in the world.

But when I lost that, when I followed my true belief, my true faith, if you

may, and followed the path that I was supposed to be on, I saw how other

minorities were treated.

And I was one of those.

I still am one of those.

And it hurt you?

It opened my eyes.

No, I understand that.

Now, Jocelyn, I'm going to ask you.

So I hear all that.

No, I understand your plight and how you feel.

This guy's going to twist it so badly.

No, no, no.

No.

I wouldn't allow him.

So with what you say, you still haven't given me an answer from an atheist perspective as to how any of that

means anything.

All of our ancestors came from bacteria.

That has nothing to do with ancestors and bacteria.

It has everything to do with it.

No, no, no, no.

You are evolved pond scum.

No, that has nothing to do with it.

You asked me the question.

That's not an answer.

About why do I believe what I believe.

Right, no, I'm asking for a justification.

It has nothing to do with pond scum.

I'm asking for a justification.

There are theoretic physicists right here at Arizona State University that can argue over the

both of our heads.

They wouldn't be able to answer this either.

I'm asking you for a moral justification for your concern for other human beings.

We don't know.

What is your moral justification for saying the Bible is true?

All you have is a book.

No, no, no.

I would say the Bible says that if you reject him...

You're quoting the Bible.

I'm answering.

Of course.

The Bible says that if you reject God, if you reject his word, you reject who he is and what he says about you, you become a

fool.

One example of becoming a fool is you will live in God's world denying his existence, believing that

you came from pond scum and then crying out for justice, which is foolishness.

Listen, descendants of bacteria have no moral obligation to other descendants of bacteria.

Now, but you do care.

You do care.

And that's the image of God that you can't shake loose.

You can't get rid of it.

You desire justice.

You attribute value and dignity to all these human beings around you, Jocelyn.

And I admire that about you, but your world, you can't justify it.

You have no reason, no basis.

See, from your perspective, Jocelyn, if I said, I'll bite down, I'll bite.

I'll accept, Jocelyn, what you say about the world.

There is no God.

I'll believe Dawkins.

All there is is blind and pitiless indifference.

There is no good.

There is no evil.

Then if I adopt that position, Jocelyn, I wouldn't be out here doing what you're doing.

So can you quote me an explanation that does not involve the Bible?

Something that explains our world that does not involve your book and the Bible.

Well, that's impossible in God's world.

Can I show you how it doesn't work?

And just hear this, and I want to hear what you have to say.

Imagine for a second you said to me, Jeff, I believe in reason.

Right?

I believe in reason.

I believe it has to be logical.

That's the fundamental basis of all questions and truth is reason, rationality, right?

And what if I said to you, Jocelyn, okay, that's your starting point, that's your standard.

And what if I said to you, okay, can you give me a reason for believing reason is the foundation for everything

without using your reason?

Do you see how that doesn't work?

You see, all, listen, all ultimates are just that, Jocelyn, ultimates.

And if God is the ultimate, then he is the foundation for everything.

He's the principium, the source of all knowledge and all truth.

You're doing the very same thing I'm doing with reason, right?

But I'm doing it with God.

And with God, I can have reason and science and morality, but you can't justify and appeal to reason.

Because in your world view, what is reason, Jocelyn?

What is reason?

So what is your reason for believing in God?

If you reject him, if you reject God, you become a fool.

What scientific proof do you have?

Well, I'll give you this.

You can't have science without...

Scientific proof.

I'll give it to you right now.

Ready?

Don't lie.

Well, why would you demand that of me when your ancestors were fish?

Is lying a moral failure?

My ancestors were Germans, but anyway.

Very good.

That was a good one.

Okay, but I'm talking a little farther back, okay?

But why would you, watch this, just think about that, Jocelyn, for a second.

And I want to get back to the science thing.

But when you said, don't lie, you just expected me to hold to some absolute moral standard.

You're preaching the Bible.

No, no, no, I'm talking about what you said.

You said don't lie.

But from your perspective, if I use your world view, why not lie?

So both of us think that each of us are lying.

No, no, no, no, no.

Even though we hold that sincerely in our hearts.

I didn't accuse you of that just now.

No, both of us, but we both believe it.