Sheologians: Allie Beth Stuckey on Theology & Politics

Opening Banter and Podcast Chemistry

Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you are, welcome to not just another episode of She Loves Gins. We're here today to put the her in conservative. I'm gonna look at the glass, I'm joking.

But I just don't know what to do because we're in front of a camera. When you were talking, I was just like, smiling creepily at the camera. I can't even look at you while I'm looking at the camera. And I feel like my new glasses are crooked.

These are new glasses.

Well, because if we look at each other, we're like way closer than we ever are.

Question though, did you notice that I have new glasses?

Oh yeah, you do. I was looking at the Ray-Ban label earlier on them. Yeah, I forgot how to talk because there's a camera in the room. Even though I'm in front of a camera. All the time. Let's not look at each other.

It seems really like, except we're really close. Yes. Okay, so. Has there been a time where we were closer than this? No. No, there hasn't. And have we ever hugged?

I seriously don't think we've ever hugged. I was trying to think, I think I told Eric the other day, I was like, I've never even hugged Joy. And he was like, how's that possible? Yeah, I don't think we've ever hugged.

Because we're just not huggy. Anyway, so now that everybody can see what it's really like when we record our podcasts, like is it gonna hurt our numbers? I don't think so. Okay, well.

You guys all feel the same way. You guys all have. Neither, nobody watching this has hugged us either. That's true.

So you know what it's like not to hug Joy. I also know what it's like not to hug Joy. And I feel like our relationship isn't fine.

Are we in a counseling session right now? I feel like we're fine. We're totally fine. It's okay.

I don't have to defend myself. It's fine. Everything's fine. We've talked about fine before. It's fine. You guys know how we feel about fine, okay? So anyway, I'm gonna let people go with Joy. And Joy, I want you to know that if I was gonna interview my famous, my favorite person on TV,.

I would wanna do it with you. Oh, so you'd interview me or you would interview it with me. Who is your favorite person? Famous person.

Allie Stuckey, Allie Stuckey. She's my favorite person on TV right now.

I have good news for you. Do you? You're right, I am Joy. And I'm here with my beautiful co-host, Summer. And Summer, I just want you to know that I would tear apart my office for you every week. Oh, would you though?

I've decided as I was coming up with this compliment, first it was gonna be, I would tear apart my office for you. And then I was sitting with my hands on the keyboard and I was like, every week.

Yeah, from your deep breaths right now, I'm kind of feeling like maybe you wouldn't.

But then I decided, I was like, no. It's like when I let you. It's a good act of service. It's good for the show. Yeah, yeah. I would do it as painful as it is.

It's like when I invite people over for dinner and I consider letting them not take their shoes off in my house. Right, right. Good, good. So you guys just saw part of our new ad, right? Yes.

Margot, part of our new ad, right? Okay. So many new things happening this week. We can hardly handle.

We don't even know where we're at right now. Why are we next to each other? I don't know, it's weird. Why are we not reading the news? It's like when you go out to dinner and you have that moment where you're worried that someone's gonna sit next to you in the booth or the chair next to you.

It's like, no, you sit across from me. That's what you do. That's how we talk. Or you're just weird and it's weird and I can't even see. I just touched you and I don't know what's happening. But we did this because, why do we do this?

Because we have Allie Stuckey on today. Right. She's very visual in her content. So we decided we were also gonna be visual. And now you guys get to see what it looks like when we laugh hysterically.

Our producer's laughing at us. He's laughing at us from behind the camera. I know. Okay. Because we're insane. I feel like this is. Will we get better at this? No. Do you guys want this? Or should we just stay with the podcast?

Let them finish the episode first. Vote now. Don't vote. I don't wanna know. I'm having fun. And if, then I have to do my due diligence if they hate it. Anyway, okay. So. This is great. This is all fine.

Stop saying fine. So, Allie Stuckey. I really need our producer to stop laughing at me. Allie Stuckey listened to the talk I did in DC. I don't know who gave it to her, but whoever you are, thank you.

And she shared it and was like, this is great. And I always knew that Allie was just like my soul sister. Wait, is that a thing? She's like, she's just, she's great. Like you read her Twitter feed and I just felt like we would totally get along.

Yeah. And so I was like, hey, wanna come on our show? And she was like, yeah, I do. And so we invited her on the show. So Allie, thank you so much for joining us today. We're so excited to have you. Thank you so much for having me.

Can you just really quickly tell our audience that doesn't know who you are, who you are and what you do?

Yep. So my name is Allie Stuckey. Y 'all might already know that. But I started a blog about a year and a half ago called the Conservative Millennial just because I saw such a deficit of knowledge among millennials, particularly Christian millennials about what was going on in the world of politics and culture and why it actually matters.

Started making videos and long story short, that kind of took off. And now I'm in the whole political media world. I work for a company called Conservative Review TV. And I make videos basically giving my take on culture, politics and even Christianity and how that really affects our everyday lives.

Yeah. So that's me.

That's awesome. That's so cool. I first, that's how I first became aware of you because so Joy and I went to, we've covered a lot of topics related to feminism and politics. And we went to the Women's March last year and you did this hilarious video where you were pretending to be a feminist.

And one of our listeners didn't like catch that it was sarcastic. And so they sent me this video of you where you were pretending to be a feminist and they were like, can you please respond to this lady because she's crazy.

And so then I started like watching your videos and finding out who you were. And it was just really encouraging to me because it was obvious that you're a Christian and it was like all over your feed.

And so I guess that's my next question is you're a Christian but you're also like a political commentator. So how does that work out? Yeah. So I think a lot of times,.

And we are all guilty of this. I've certainly been guilty of this at certain points in my faith, but we kind of have the propensity as Christians to separate what we consider the quote secular world from the spiritual world.

So we think that politics, the government, even our nine to five job, music, culture, that's one category. And then Christianity is our other category. And I just don't think that's the way that God intended it.

There's really no such thing really as the secular world. God made everything and everything at its base is good. I mean, including government and politics and things like that. Now, of course, because those things are made up of simple men and women institutions always inevitably become sinful, but at its base, those things are good.

And just because they've become simple doesn't mean that Christianity or Christians should exclude ourselves from them. But rather I think that we're supposed to infuse light into the world of politics and government and everything that you might consider secular.

So I think that that is one thing that I'm called to do is to shed truth, not just theological truth, but just logical truth in general into the world of politics that so often can be corrupting, can be misleading.

In a world where it seems like truth is relative, I think it's a Christian's role to make sure that we are speaking truth into that realm.

We were all like fist pumping while you're saying that.

No, thanks, thanks. I wish I could see you.

I like affirmation. We just really, I mean, it's so important that Christians don't back down from these kinds of things. And I think there's just a real tension of how do you engage politically in our current political climate without it kind of always being a fist fight?

And I mean, I've seen you do that really gracefully and do that really, really well. But do you feel that tension of you wanna speak boldly and you want to shed truth and all these things, but we kind of live in a climate where disagreement is always seen as intolerant.

So, I mean, do you feel that tension? Is that something that you have to work through? Yeah, absolutely.

And I appreciate you saying that you have seen me do it gracefully because I've also done it ungracefully. I feel like Jesus is sanctifying me of my sass, but that's who I am. In my core as a person is that I do have a propensity towards sarcasm and sass, which sometimes can be useful, but sometimes it's just not glorifying to God.

So I do feel a constant tension and I am completely imperfect at how I handle conflict and how I handle disagreement within my politics, especially when it comes to issues that I consider both spiritual and moral, like abortion.

It's very hard for me to be meek and even graceful when it comes to abortion, even though I know that's what I'm called to do. But I feel like I get such a guttural and a moral reaction from it that I don't always do it in a way that I know is Christ honoring.

So I would say that for every Christian that's in politics or really any realm, whether you're an accountant, whatever, there is tension between, okay, how do I engage in this world in a way that is compelling, in a way that people listen to me, in a way that is passionate and might be sassy at times, but also in a way that is speaking the truth and love and is gracious and is kind.

And man, in our world of tribal politics right now, that is not easy. But I would argue that means that more than ever, Christians have a responsibility to stand up in that world instead of just backing down and saying, oh, well, Jesus is coming back, so none of this stuff matters.

No, Jesus is coming back, so this stuff matters even more. It's our responsibility to try to advance the kingdom in the darkest parts of the world. And I try very insufficiently to do that by what I do, but it's a learning process for sure.

And I'm thankful for the patience of Jesus and the Holy Spirit in helping me do that.

Yeah, I feel you. We've definitely been accused of ungracious sassiness more than once, and it is a process.

I know, I remember, I'll never forget that one time I was listening to a pastor speak and he was like, there is no place for sarcasm in the kingdom of God. And I was like, oh my gosh, just cut me to the core, why don't ya?

But it's true, it's true. I do think that there's a place for humor. I'm a strong believer in that, in satire, but sometimes you just gotta check your sass at the door. Yeah, yeah, I feel ya.

I totally agree. All right, so I think we can all agree at this point also that politics are not a waste of time.

Yeah, yeah. No, they're not a waste of time, no. I mean, you've basically spent,.

You spent a lot of time engaging with lots of people and you've done it sort of under the header of a political commentator, but I think sometimes people, when they think of political commentators that are Christian, solid Christians will sort of assume that the political commentator is not as solid as them.

Right. If that makes sense. Right, of course. So do you deal with that? Like people who just think that you're sort of fluffy and like not concerned, like you're a political commentator first and then you're a Christian.

Yeah, well, honestly, I get it from both sides. So there are certainly people that believe that because I'm a conservative, then that means that, you know, I'm a racist and I hate everyone that doesn't look like me.

So I can't possibly be a Christian because you have to believe in government handouts to be a Christian, which I reject that vehemently, but that could be a different podcast for a different day. But then of course I get people from the conservative side too, who think that I'm not Christian enough because I don't necessarily think that God is a Republican, obviously.

Amen. And I don't think that, you know, God was there, you know, when we founded America, maybe in a spiritual sense, but I think a lot of times people on the right try to intertwine their patriotism with their Christianity a little bit too much.

So I certainly get it from both sides that think that I'm either not Christian enough or I'm not the right kind of Christian. But I do think in the same way that I think I've heard you guys talk about when you started your podcast asking, okay, is there a market for this?

Is there an audience for this that just wants to hear two girls talk in a deep and a thought-provoking way about theology? I've kind of realized the same thing, the way that you guys realize that yes, there is an audience, that, okay, there are actually a lot of people like me that care about politics in a very practical sense that also care about intertwining it with profound theology.

There are a lot of people like me and that has been very refreshing. And just to get the messages and the emails from usually young women that are like me, that are saying, you know, I appreciate the fact that you are attempting to intertwine what seems like a genuine faith with also a genuine care for politics and the government and civics and things like that.

So there are more of us, I think, than I originally anticipated. Yeah.

That's always nice, isn't it? Yeah. There are episodes that we've done where we're like, oh, everyone's gonna hate us now. Right. But then we get Every day of my life. Right, yeah. But then what you find is that you're totally turning it into a catastrophe that's not there.

And people are, there's a group of people out there at least that are supportive and understand and appreciate how you put it or, you know.

Yes, yes, definitely. And I also think that if you're not ever offending anyone, then you're probably not saying anything of substance. You're always going to offend someone. And if you're constantly trying to, and I know you guys don't care about this.

I've heard enough of you to know that you don't really care about offending people too much and I appreciate that. But if you're overthinking constantly about offending one side or the other, then you should probably just stay home.

Yeah. And be quiet. Someone's always going to find something to be mad at and that's just part of the deal.

Right. Yeah, that's so true. Well, and it's meant, a lot of this stuff is meant to be like an ongoing conversation. It's meant to be conversational in the way that it goes back and forth and back and forth.

Right. So there's not supposed to be, well, and we've struggled with this, trying to get that out of our mind. The idea that like what we say today is our end all, be all statement on this topic or this thing where really we're being changed, we're being sanctified.

So there's always sort of a back and forth and it's like moving and it's not, it's interesting. There's an engagement. It's not just like, this is how Sheologians feels about this forever. This is how Allie feels about this forever.

Yeah. And part of that too is the posture of the person that is speaking and having the attitude that you just described, because unfortunately so many people do make statements every day that they kind of advertise it as this is the end all, be all and if you disagree with me, then you're completely wrong and I will never change my mind on this because I'm 100 right.

And that's something that I try to be very careful about because I'm pretty new relatively to politics and I'm only 25. And so I realize there's a lot that I don't know. And so even though I am very opinionated, I've tried to set a standard for myself to where if I made a mistake or if I said something without knowing everything, I try to go back and correct it or I just own up to it when someone calls me out.

And I think that's very important in theology. It's also very important in politics. And I think people really gain more of a respect for you and you gain a lot more credibility by admitting that you don't know everything and admitting, like you said, it's a conversation and you're willing to be engaged.

That I think just, it gives you a lot more, it gives you a lot more respect and I think people are more willing to be open to convert with you rather than just shutting down as soon as you say your end all, be all statement.

Yeah, right.

Absolutely. I think there's like a sort of a learning process that's happening as so people are, we're in this stage where we are attempting to have actual conversations over the internet and someone's not there.

And then in certain situations, like you have someone trying to have a conversation with a bunch of people and they're all trying to have a conversation with that one person. And there's definitely just, I think there's a learning curve.

The internet engagement is newer than we all realize and most of us are not as good at it as we think we are. Does that make sense?

Yeah, well, and our generation has been engaging on the internet since we were kids. So it feels like it's been around forever but it really hasn't been. Right. And it's like this weird, weird thing. But so in terms of how you got to where you're at and what you're involved in, did you ever see any of this happening.

Or did it just kind of happen to you? Gosh, I would say both and. So I grew up in a conservative Christian home. So for all of the people that are trying to put me into a stereotype, I fit your stereotype.

I am everything that my, basically that my parents raised me to be. Of course, I didn't realize that early on in my adulthood, but it just kind of, it happened. I wasn't really involved in politics in college.

I've always been involved or I've always been interested in communications. I've been talking and reading and writing and public speaking for a really long time. And so that's something that I always loved.

And I grew up, or at least in high school, loving Megyn Kelly. She was like my idol. And so there was something, I think, in the back of my mind or something far off that I thought, okay, political media would be cool.

But I certainly didn't pursue it in a concrete way. Not until 2016, I guess, or yeah, 2016, when I was looking at the primaries and I just thought, wow, my fellow millennials really have no idea what's going on.

So I started the blog and it took a long time. I think I had three people following me, including my parents and my husband. But then eventually I just kept going for whatever reason, even though for a long time I had no one following me.

I didn't have any traction. It's embarrassing to put yourself out there without an audience. I just felt like this was kind of what I was called to do. I was in PR and social media strategy at the time, but I knew that's not what I wanted to do long-term.

I knew I wanted to be public speaking. So eventually my videos kind of started taking off and getting thousands, hundreds of thousands, millions of views, and then started working at the blaze. And this all happened in the past year.

Like a year ago, I was still living in Athens, Georgia, doing marketing type stuff. And then my husband got a job in Dallas. We moved to Dallas, I think this weekend, last year. Two weeks later, I started working at the blaze, which is a conservative media company.

Then I started getting calls from other media outlets. And now I work for the company conservative review TV. And it all has happened in the past 12 months. So I can't say that I could have planned any of this to go the way it has gone, but I do feel like this was kind of the plan all along, whether or not I was actively preparing for it, if that makes sense.

It makes a lot of sense.

Yeah, we know. Yep. Yep, that's exactly the same story with us here. Yes, I'm sure.

I'm sure. And you guys are done amazing stuff. I recommend you guys to so many people just because I think there's such a need for what you guys do. Oh, thank you so much. That's crazy. Okay.

Yeah, it is. It's a weird, it's a weird, I never saw myself being here, but at the same time, I'm like, there's so many things that led up to this point. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. That's a good way to put it.

Yeah, 100%. So, okay. What, I have been dying to ask you this. I obviously, I've been following you on Twitter ever since somebody was like, can you respond to this crazy lady? And then I realized you weren't crazy.

Did you tell that person that I was being sarcastic eventually? Yeah, I was like, no, no, no.

I was like, I'm not gonna respond to this cause this is sarcasm. And I think that I agree with her on most things. And then I started following her on Twitter and I was like, okay, she's great.

I do think Christians are getting better at sarcasm, right? Kind of. Yeah. Christians are getting better at sarcasm, like appropriate.

Yes, ever since John Crist kind of has been rising to fame. I think he's helped a lot of us out that, oh my gosh, Christians can actually be funny. Yeah. And love. And the Babylon Bee and all that. Yeah.

Oh my gosh, thank God for the Babylon Bee. Literally, thank God I'm not taking the Lord's name in vain on a Christian podcast. Literally, thank the Lord. Right, right.

Remind me to, nevermind. Okay. So can you, anyway, so I've been following you on Twitter and social media for a long time. And I hope you'll indulge me because I just want to hear from you. What do you think,.

What do you think about Donald Trump? Okay, so I, during the primaries, I loathed Donald Trump and people have brought this back to try to smack me in the face with this, who love Donald Trump. They will like resurrect my old articles that I wrote during the primaries because I was like, why is anyone voting for Donald Trump?

I don't understand. He's not a conservative. He's not even pro-life. Why the heck would anyone vote for him? And I stand by what I felt in the primaries. I thought that we had a lot better candidates, but when he became the candidate and I was looking at my two choices, Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton, I just, I knew that even though I have moral qualms with Donald Trump, I didn't like some of the stuff that was coming out, most of the stuff that was coming out of his mouth and some of the things in his past.

I had to think about both the moral and the political implications, not just in the next four to eight years, but in the next 20 years, I knew that he was going to name a Supreme Court justice. I knew that Supreme Court justice was going to have probably some kind of influence, maybe on Roe v. Wade and how many babies would be legally aborted or not legally aborted.

I knew that Donald Trump's presidency would probably have a better effect on the values that I hold dear in America, rather than Hillary Clinton. I'm a big proponent of the Constitution, of the First Amendment, of the Second Amendment, obviously very pro-life, as I said.

And even though Donald Trump might not personally hold all of those values, I mean, just a few years, he was raising money for Chuck Schumer, but I knew that he would surround himself with people in his administration that would carry out the things that I held dear, both as a conservative and as a Christian.

I had to look beyond who Donald Trump was as a person and look more at the policies that I knew that he would enact. And I was hesitant. I was a hesitant Donald Trump voter, but I looked at Hillary Clinton and just how deeply corrupt she was.

And I knew that the policies that she would put forth would be absolutely detrimental, not just to our liberty, but to capitalism and to the pro-life cause. And there was no moral way that I could square, personally, that I could square voting for her.

Now, there are people that I greatly respect, like Ben Shapiro and other people that didn't vote for either of them. I think that is a fine moral choice. For me, I couldn't justify that because I knew that not voting for Donald Trump would be a vote for Hillary Clinton.

I just personally couldn't do that, but I do respect the choice of not voting for either of them. And in his first year, he has enacted a lot of good policies. It's been a good year for conservatives with tax cuts, with religious liberty, and even we've seen some gains in the pro-life movement.

But gosh, I just wish that he would stop talking sometimes. I just wish that he would. He's been better on Twitter recently, but gosh, not on freaking wood. Is there wood around me? Okay, I'm knocking on that wood.

Not that I'm suspicious. Right, right. Just a little stitious. Just a little stitious, yeah. Anyway, so I wish that he would have some more self-control. I do think decency matters. I do think decorum matters.

I do think morality matters. But as a president, his policies actually are good for conservatives and for Christians. So we'll see what happens over the next three years. I'm very, very, very glad that Hillary Clinton isn't president.

But I do also, I know I'm on a long tangent right now, but I do also wanna say, because I just know that a lot of Christians, and I don't have the perfect, I actually don't even have the perfect, completely whole answer on this, but a lot of Christians couldn't vote for Donald Trump for moral reasons, which, like I said, I respect.

But I also encourage Christians to realize that when you vote for any politician, even though, like I said, that morality and decency and decorum, those things do matter, but you are not voting for a savior, okay?

You already have a savior in Jesus Christ. He's the only person that's never gonna fail you. He's the only person that's going to be all of your standards of holiness and perfection. There is never going to be a politician, not George Bush, not the face of the earth, that is ever going to satisfy all of your standards for hope and for perfection.

Jesus is coming back. You can put your hope in that. Do not put your hope in any politician, liberal or conservative. So that was my perspective, too, when I was voting for Donald Trump, is, okay, I'm not voting for Jesus.

I already got that. I'm voting for someone who I think is going to protect the liberties that I think are important for Christianity and are important for my values. So that's kind of, that's my take on it, my long take.

If you had asked Donald Trump, he would have said, you're voting for Jesus. He definitely would have thought that.

This is true. And if you ask a lot of Trump supporters, they would also say that.

It's really unfortunate and painful.

Politics, Liberty, and Christian Engagement

Right, well, and so I think that's where you see people, like people, what you just said is amazing, but people take it too far. And they're like, so I just shouldn't be involved. I shouldn't be involved in this.

I shouldn't be involved at all. But really, I mean, just based off of things that you said earlier in this interview, taking care of neighbor, loving neighbor, is a part of politics. Like the government, the government takes care of orphans and widows right now.

Like that's a part of what politics is. So you're really, even if you think you're separating yourself from the political realm, you're not.

I would be a little bit careful with that, however, because if you go down that road that the government takes care of orphans and widows, then you get into socialism territory really quickly because that's not the government's job.

The reason I believe in small government and low taxes and capitalism is because I think that empowers people to be generous and that it empowers Christians to take care of our neighbors the way that we should because we know that socialism doesn't actually make people generous.

A lot of central power doesn't actually lead to liberty and generosity and charity. Capitalism does and free markets actually does. It's just been shown throughout history. And so the reason why I think that politics are important and the government is important is not necessarily because they take care of orphans and widows, but because it needs light.

And I think protecting liberty is an active part of being involved in politics. And I would say that liberty and individual liberty is what allows Christianity, charity, generosity, helping our neighbor to flourish.

And that's why I think it's important for me and for people in our generation to make sure that we're pushing for those policies.

Right, we would definitely, our argument would be that the government should not be taking care of orphans and widows. So you should be involved in it in the way that we need to not have it that way. Yeah, right.

We're sitting about 10 feet from like a hundred t-shirts that say socialism is theft. So we're on the same page. I will buy one. We'll just send you one. How about that? Yeah, we'll send you one. Great.

Message me your address, it's on the way. So what are some of the biggest news stories going on right now that you think Christians in particular should be aware of?

The Memo, DACA, and Immigration Policy

Well, the memo was just released. I don't know if necessarily Christians need to be aware of this, but if you've been on social media or even turned on the news a little bit over the past couple of weeks, you've heard this long awaited memo that the House Intelligence Committee has drafted and has wanted to release.

Gosh, actually I just opened up a can of worms because then I'll have to explain all of this. Basically, it's just a memo that alleges that the FBI engaged in misbehavior to target Trump's campaign. So I'll just leave it in a very general sense.

But there's this thing called confirmation bias. The narratives from the right and the left before this confidential memo was declassified were already spinning out of control. The Republicans were saying this memo is legitimate.

The Democrats are saying this memo is not legitimate. So basically, I would encourage Christians, just so they're in the know with the things that are happening, and just so that they can decide for themselves whether they can trust our top intelligence agencies in Congress to actually read the memo for yourself.

You can go online and read this memo that was drafted and you can learn all about it there. But I do think it's important because I think we need to know what's going on with our top intelligence agencies that are supposed to be protecting our democracy.

The integrity of our institutions is very important for us to function as a constitutional republic. So I think it's important for any Christian or just American to know those things. I think, let's see, gosh.

What about DACA? I think, so for me, we kind of inhabit the reformed-ish Christian world. And I really feel like that entire universe is super split on DACA and what to do about that. But then every time I watch the news, I also get really conflicting information.

Like there's, the conservative outlets are like, well, this is just, actually Trump is just reinforcing Obama's policies. So why are the Democrats upset about it? Because they supported it then.

But I just don't know. Yeah, so I think that it's okay for Christians to be split on this. If you're gonna be split on an issue, I think that this is an okay issue to be split on because it depends on what you see as compassion.

What I think is wrong is to pin this on Republicans that Donald Trump is being racist because DACA was instilled by Obama in 2012. It's deferred action for childhood arrivals, deferred action. So what that means is, okay, you can apply for DACA, which is a protection that lasts for two years.

And within that two years, when you are protected, you are supposed to apply for citizenship and they can apply for renewals, but essentially it was just a deferral. So Obama, if he wanted to grant these childhood arrivals amnesty, he could have done that, but he didn't.

He just enacted one, an unconstitutional, but also a temporary protection for them. So if you want to blame a president for not giving full amnesty and full protection, permanent protection to childhood arrivals that came here illegally as children, then you can blame Obama for that.

He could have given them amnesty and he did not. Now, what President Trump said is said, hey, I'm going to rescind DACA because it was not done constitutionally. So Obama said, we're going to protect all these illegal aliens and we're going to do it unilaterally.

We're not going to get congressional approval, which is why it's unconstitutional. Trump said, okay, that was unconstitutional. So in September, he said, I'm rescinding DACA. You've got till March Congress to come up with the legislative solution, which is the constitutional way to do it, a legislative solution for these so-called dreamers, which like I said, are childhood arrivals.

And he even gave them a grace period. He said, hey, you've got a month from September to October to apply for DACA if you are a childhood arrival and you won't be deported for the next two years. So it wasn't, this whole idea and this whole narrative of Trump is going to round up Mexican babies and send them back without their parents is just not true.