Sheologians: Allie Beth Stuckey on Theology & Politics

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Good morning. Good afternoon. Good evening, wherever you are. Welcome to not just another episode of She Loves Gins We're here today to put the her in Conservative But I just don't know what to do because we're in front of a camera

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When you were talking I was just like Smiling creepily at the camera. I can't even look at you, I'm looking at the camera.

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I don't even like my new glasses are crooked Look at each other. We're like Way closer

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Than we ever are Question though. Did you notice that I have new glasses?

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Oh, yeah, you do. I was looking at the Ray -Ban label earlier Yeah, I forgot how to talk cuz there's a camera in the room even though I'm in front of my camera and all the time

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Let's not look at each other It seems really like We're really close

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Okay, so are you have this is there has there been a time where we were closer than this no

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No, there hasn't and I have we ever hugged I think

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I told Eric the other day. I was like, I've never even hugged a joy and he was like How's that possible?

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Yeah, I don't think we ever just not huggy Anyway So now that everybody can see what it's really like when we record our podcasts, like is it gonna hurt our numbers?

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I don't think so. Okay. Well, you guys all feel the same way You guys all have neither nobody watching this has hugged us either.

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No, so, you know what? It's like not joy I also know what it's like not to hug joy and I feel like our relationship isn't fine

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I Mean a counseling session right now. I feel like we're fine. We're totally fine.

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Okay It's fine everything's fine

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We've talked about fine before You guys know how we feel about fine.

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Okay. Um, so anyway, I've heard people go with joy And joy

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I want you to know that if I was gonna interview my famous famous my favorite person on TV I would want to do it with you.

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Oh So you'd interview me or you I Was your favorite person

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She's my favorite person on TV right now I Have good news for you You're right.

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I am I am joy and I'm here with my beautiful co -host summer and summer.

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I Just want you to know that I would tear apart my office for you every week.

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Oh I've decided as I was as I was coming up with this compliment.

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Uh -huh If first it was gonna be I would tear apart my office for you And then

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I was sitting with my hands on the keyboard and I was like Yeah from your debris right now

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I'm kind of feeling like maybe what but then I decided I would do it no It's like when

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I like that's a good active. It's a good act of service. Yeah, it's good for the show Yeah, yeah, I would do it as painful as it is

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It's like when I invite people over for dinner and I consider letting them not take their shoes off in my house, right?

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Good good. So you guys just saw our part of our new ad Right. Yes, my guess part of our new ad right?

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Okay, so many new things happening this week We can hardly handle We don't even know where we're at To like dinner and you have that moment where you're worried that someone's gonna like sit next to you in the booth or like the

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Chair next to you. It's like no you sit across from me. Like that's what you do Or tell me top or you're just weird and it's weird and I can't even see

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I just touched you Happening but we did this because why do we do this?

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Because because we have Ali Stuckey on today, right? She's very visual in her content, so She's we decided we were also gonna be visual and now you guys get to see what it looks like our producers

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He's laughing at us from behind the camera, you know, okay, I just we're insane I feel like this is will we get better at this?

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No, I want this or should we just stay? Vote now

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Don't know I'm having fun and it's gonna have to do my due diligence if they hate it.

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Anyway, okay, so Great. This is all fine Stop saying fine.

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Um so Ali Stuckey, I Really need our producers.

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Stop laughing at me Ali Stuckey Listened to the talk I did in DC. I don't know who gave it to her.

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But whoever you are. Thank you and She shared it and was like, this is great.

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And I always knew that Ali was just like my soul sister

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Wait, is that a thing? She's like she's just She's great. Like you read her

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Twitter feed and I just felt like we would totally get along. Yeah And so I was like, hey you want to come on our show and she was like, yeah,

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I do and So we invited her on the show. So Ali, thank you so much for joining us today.

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We're so excited to have you Thank you so much for having me. Can you adjust really quickly tell our audience that doesn't know who you are

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Yeah, you are and what you do Yeah, so my name is Ali Stuckey I might already know that but I started a blog about a year and a half ago called the conservative millennial

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Just because I saw such a deficit of knowledge Among Millennials particularly Christian Millennials about what was going on in the world of politics and culture and why it actually matters

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Started making videos a long story short that kind of took off and now I'm in the whole political media world

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I work for a company called conservative review TV and I Make videos basically giving my take on culture politics and even

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Christianity and how that really affects our everyday lives Yeah, so that's me.

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That's awesome. That's so cool. I first that's how I first became aware of you because so joy and I went to we we've covered a lot of topics related to feminism and politics and We went to the

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Women's March last year and you did this hilarious video where you were pretending to be a feminist and one of our listeners didn't like catch that it was sarcastic and So they sent me this video of you where you were pretending to be a feminist and they were like Can you please respond to this lady?

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So then I started like watching your videos and finding out who you were and it was just really encouraging to me because it was

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Obvious that you're a Christian and it was like all over your feed And so I guess that's my next question is you're a

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Christian, but you're also like a political Commentator. So how does how does that work out?

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Yeah, so I think a lot of times and we are all guilty of this I've certainly been guilty of this at certain points in my faith

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But we kind of have the propensity as Christians to separate what we consider the quote secular world from the spiritual world

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So we think that politics the government even our nine -to -five job Music culture that's one category and then

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Christianity is our other category and I just don't think that's the way that God intended it There's really no such thing really as the secular world

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God made everything and everything at its base is is good consider.

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I mean Including government and politics and things like that. Now, of course because those things are made up of sinful men and women institutions always inevitably become sinful but At its base those things are good and just because they've become simple doesn't mean that Christianity or Christians should exclude ourselves

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From them, but rather I think that we're supposed to infuse light Into the world of politics and government and everything that you might consider secular

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So I I think that that is one thing that I'm called to do is to shed truth

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Not just theological truth But just logical truth in general into the world of politics that so often can be corrupting can be misleading

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In a world where it seems like truth is relative I think it's a Christian's role to make sure that we are speaking truth into that realm

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We were all like fist -pumping while you're saying We just really

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I mean, it's so important that Christians don't back down from these kinds of things and I think there's just a real tension of How do you engage?

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Politically in our current political climate without it kind of always being a fistfight

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And I mean, I've seen you, you know, do that really gracefully and do that really really well

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But do you feel that tension of you want to speak boldly and you want to Shed truth and all these things, but we kind of live in a climate where Disagreement is always seen as Intolerant.

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So I mean do you feel that tension? Is that something that you have to work through? Yeah, absolutely

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And I appreciate you saying that you have seen me do it gracefully because I've also done it ungracefully

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I feel like Jesus is sanctifying me of my sass But that's who I am in my core as a person is that I do have a propensity towards sarcasm and sass which sometimes

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Can be useful, but sometimes it's just not glorifying to God So I do feel a constant tension and I am completely imperfect at how

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I handle conflict and how I handle disagreement Within my my politics, especially when it comes to issues that I consider both spiritual and moral like abortion

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It's very hard for me to be meek and even graceful when it comes to abortion even though I know that's what

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I'm called to do, but I feel like I get such a guttural and a moral reaction from it that I don't always do it in a way that I know is is

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Christ honoring so I Would say that for every Christian that's in politics or really any realm whether you're an accountant, whatever there

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There is tension between okay How do I engage in this world in a way that is compelling in a way that people listen to me in a way?

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You know is passionate and might be sassy at times But also in a way that is speaking the truth and love and is gracious and is kind and man in our world of tribal

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Politics right now that is not easy, but I would argue that means that more than ever

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Christians Have a responsibility to stand up in that world instead of just backing down and saying oh well, you know

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Jesus is coming back. So none of this stuff matters. No, Jesus is coming back So this stuff matters even more it's our responsibility to try to advance the kingdom in the darkest parts of the world and I Try try very insufficiently

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To do that by what I do, but you know, it's it's it's a learning process for sure

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And I'm thankful for the patience of Jesus and the Holy Spirit and helping me do that.

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Yeah, I feel you Oh, we've definitely been accused of Ungracious sassiness more than once and it is

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I know I remember I'll never forget one time I was listening to a pastor speak and he was like there is no place for Sarcasm and the kingdom of God and I was like, oh my gosh just cut me to the core

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But it's true it's true I do think that there's a place for Humor, I'm a strong believer in that in satire

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But sometimes you just got to check your stats at the door. Yeah. Yeah, I feel yeah great, um

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So I think we can all agree at this point also that a politics are not a waste of time

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Yeah, yeah. No, they're not they're not a waste of time. No, I mean you've basically spent

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You spent a lot of time Engaging with lots of people and you've done it Like sort of under the header of a political commentator

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But I think sometimes people when they think of political commentators that are Christian Solid Christians will sort of assume that the political commentator is not as solid as them, right?

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Do you deal with that like people who just think that you're sort of Fluffy and like not concerned like you're a political commentator first and then you're a

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Christian Yeah, well, honestly, I get it from both sides so there are certainly people that believe that because I'm a conservative and that means that You know,

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I'm a racist and I hate everyone that doesn't look like me So I can't possibly be a Christian because you have to believe in Government handouts to be a

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Christian which I reject that vehemently, but that could be a different podcast for a different day but then of course

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I get people from the conservative side to who think that I'm I'm not

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Christian enough because I don't necessarily think that God is a Republican Obviously man,

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I don't think that you know, God was there You know when we founded

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America maybe in a spiritual sense But I think a lot of times people on the right tried to intertwine their patriotism with their

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Christianity a little bit too much So I certainly get it from both sides that think that I'm either not Christian enough or I'm not the right kind of Christian But I do think in the same way that I think

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I've heard you guys talk about when you started your podcast Asking okay. Is there a market for this?

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Is there an audience for this that just wants to hear two girls talk and you know in a deep and a thought -provoking way

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About theology. I've kind of realized the same thing the way that you guys realize that yes

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There is an audience that okay there are actually a lot of people like me that care about politics in a very practical sense that Also care about intertwining it with profound theology

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There are a lot of people Like me and that has been very refreshing and just to get the messages in the emails from usually young women that are like me that are saying, you know,

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I I appreciate the fact that you are attempting to intertwine what seems like a genuine faith with also a genuine care for Politics and the government and civics and things like that.

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So there are more of us I think than I originally anticipated Yeah There are episodes that we've done we're like, oh everyone's gonna hate us now, right but then we get every day of my life

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You find is that you're totally turning into a catastrophe that's not there and people are

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There's a group of people out there at least that are supportive and understand and appreciate how you put it or you know

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Yes. Yes, definitely And I also think that if you're not ever offending anyone then you're probably not saying anything of substance

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You're always going to offend someone and if you're constantly trying to and I know you guys don't care about this

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I've heard enough of you to know that you don't really care about sending people too much and I appreciate that But if you if you're overthinking constantly about offending one side or the other then you should probably

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Just stay home. Yeah Someone's always going to find something to be mad at and that's just part of the deal, right?

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Well, and it's meant a lot of this stuff is meant to be like an ongoing conversation It's it's meant to be conversational in the way that it goes back and forth and back and forth

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So there's there's not supposed to be We when we've struggled with this trying to get that out of our mind the idea that Like what we say today is

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Our end all be all statement on this topic or this thing where really we're being changed

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We're being sanctified so there there's always sort of a back and forth and you know, it's it's it's like moving and It's not

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It's interesting There's an engagement it's not just like this is how she allusions feels about this forever.

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This is how Ali feels about this forever Yeah Is the posture of the person that is speaking and having the attitude that you just described because unfortunately so many people do make statements every day that They kind of advertise it as this is the end all be all and if you disagree with me

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Then you're completely wrong and I will never change my mind on this because I'm 100 % right Yeah, and that's something that I try to be very careful about because I'm pretty new relatively to politics and I'm only 25 and so I realize there's a lot that I don't know and so even though I am very opinionated

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I've tried to set a standard for myself to where if I made a mistake or if I said something without knowing everything

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I Try to go back and correct it or I just own up to it when someone calls me out

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And I think that's very important in theology It's also very important in politics And I think people really gain more of a respect for you and you gain a lot more

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Credibility by admitting that you don't know everything and admitting like you said, it's a conversation and you're willing to be engaged

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That I think just it gives you a lot more It gives you a lot more respect and I think people are more willing to be

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Open to converts with you rather than just shutting down as soon as you say your end all be all statement

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Yeah, right. Absolutely. I think there's like a sort of a learning process that's happening as So people are we're in this this stage where we are

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Attempting to have actual conversations over the internet and someone's not there and then in certain situations like you have you have someone trying to have a conversation with a bunch of people and they're all trying to have a conversation with that one person and there's

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Definitely just I think there's a learning curve the internet internet engagement is newer

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Than we all realize and most of us are not as good at it as we think we are

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Yeah, well and our generation has been engaging on the internet since we were kids So it feels like it's been around forever, but it really hasn't been right and it's like this weird weird thing.

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But So in terms of how you how you got to where you're at And what you're involved in did you ever see any of this happening or did it just kind of happen to you?

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Huh? Gosh, I would say both and so I grew up in a conservative Christian home

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So for all of the people that are trying to put me into a stereotype, I fit your stereotype. I am everything to me basically that my parents

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Raised me to be of course, I didn't realize that Early on in my adulthood, but it just kind of it happened.

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I wasn't really involved in politics in college. I've always been involved Or I've always been interested in communications

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I've been talking and reading and writing and public speaking for a really long time And so that's something that I always loved and I grew up or at least in high school loving

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Megyn Kelly She was like my idol and so there was something I think in the back of my mind or something far off that I thought

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Okay, political media would be cool, but I certainly didn't pursue it in a concrete way not until 2016

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I guess or yeah 2016 when I was looking at the primaries and I just thought well my fellow

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Millennials really have no idea what's going on So I started the blog and it took a long time

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I think I you know had three people following me including my parents and my husband But then eventually

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I just I just kept going for whatever reason even though for a long time I had no one following me.

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I didn't have any traction. It's embarrassing to put yourself out there without an audience I just felt like this was kind of what

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I was called to do I was in PR and social media strategy at the time, but I knew that's not what I wanted to do a long term

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I knew I wanted to be public speaking so eventually my videos kind of started taking off and getting you know thousands hundreds thousands millions of views and then started working at The blaze and this all happened in the past year like a year ago.

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I was still living in Athens, Georgia Doing marketing type stuff and then my husband got a job in Dallas.

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We moved to Dallas. I think this weekend last year Two weeks later. I started working at the blaze, which is a conservative media company

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Then I started getting calls from other media outlets and now I work for the company conservative Review TV and it all has happened in the past 12 months

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So I can't say that I I could have planned any of this to go the way it has gone

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But I do feel like this was kind of the plan all along whether or not

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I was actively Preparing for it if that makes sense Yes, I'm sure and you guys are done amazing stuff

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I recommend you guys to so many people just because I think there's such a Need for what you guys do.

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Oh, thank you so much Okay Yeah, it is it's a weird

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It's a weird. I never saw myself being here. But at the same time I'm like, there's so many things that led up to this point

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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. That's a good way to put it. Yeah, 100 % So, okay

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What I have been dying to ask you this I obviously I've been following you on Twitter ever since somebody was like, can you respond to this crazy lady?

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And then I realized you weren't crazy Yeah, I was like no no, no

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I was like I'm not gonna respond to this because this is sarcasm and I think that I agree with her on most things And then

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I started following you on Twitter and I was like, okay, she's great I do think Christians are getting better at sarcasm, right?

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Kind of Christians are getting better at sarcasm like appropriate Yes, ever since John Crist kind of Rising to fame.

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I think he's helped a lot of us out that oh my gosh Christians can actually be funny Yeah, and then love and the

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Babylon B and all that. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Thank God for the Babylon B Literally, thank God. I'm not taking the

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Lord's name in vain on a podcast. Literally. Thank the Lord, right? Right Remind me to nevermind, okay

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So, can you anyway, so I've been following you on Twitter and social media for a long time and I Hope you'll indulge me

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Because I just want to hear from you What do you think

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What do you think about Donald Trump Okay, so I During the primaries

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I love Donald Trump and people have brought this back to try to smack me in the face with this who

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Love Donald Trump. They who like Resurrect my old articles that I wrote during the primaries that I was like, why is anyone voting for Donald Trump?

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I don't understand. He's not a conservative. He's not even pro -life Why the heck would anyone vote for him and I stand by what

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I felt in the primaries? I thought that we had a lot better candidates, but when he became the candidate and I was looking at my two

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Two choices Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton I I just I knew that even though I have moral qualms with Donald Trump I didn't like some of the stuff that was coming out of most of the stuff that was coming out of his mouth and some of the things in his past I Had to think about both the moral and the political implications not just in the next four to eight years

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But in the next 20 years, I knew that he was going to name a Supreme Court justice I knew that Supreme Court justice was going to have probably some kind of influence maybe on Roe v.

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Wade and you know, how many babies would be legally aborted and and or not legally aborted

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I knew that Donald Trump's presidency would probably have a better effect on The values that I hold dear in America rather than Hillary Clinton I'm a big proponent of the

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Constitution of the First Amendment of the Second Amendment Obviously very pro -life as I said, and even though Donald Trump might not personally hold all of those values

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I mean just a few years who is raising money for Chuck Schumer But I knew that he was around himself

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With people in his administration that would carry out the things that I held dear both as a conservative and as a

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Christian I had to look beyond who Donald Trump was as a person and look more at the policies that I knew that he would enact

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And I was hesitant. I was a hesitant Donald Trump voter But I looked at Hillary Clinton and just how deeply corrupt she was and I knew that the policies that she would put forth would

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Absolutely detrimental not just to our Liberty but to capitalism and to the pro -life cause and there was no

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Moral way that I could square Personally that I could swear voting for her now

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There are people that I greatly respect like Ben Shapiro and other people that didn't vote for either of them

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I think that is a fine moral choice For me I couldn't justify that because I knew that not voting for Donald Trump would be a vote for Hillary Clinton and I I Just personally couldn't do that, but I do respect the choice of not voting for either of them

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And in his first year He has enacted a lot of good policies. It's been a good year for conservatives with tax cuts with religious

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Liberty and even we've seen some gains in the pro -life movement, but gosh,

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I Just wish that he would stop talking sometimes I just wish that he would he's been better on Twitter Recently, but gosh not on freaking wood.

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Is there wood around me? Okay, I'm knocking on that wood. Not that I'm suspicious Right, just a little

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Anyway, so I I just I I wish that he would have some more self -control.

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I do think decency matters I do think decorum matters. I do think morality matters

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But as a president His policies are actually are good for conservatives and for Christian.

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So we'll see what happens over the next three years I'm very very very glad that Hillary Clinton isn't president

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But I do also I know I'm on a long tangent right now But I do also want to say because I just know that a lot of Christians they

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And I don't have the perfect I actually don't even have the perfect completely whole answer on this

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But a lot of Christians couldn't vote for Donald Trump for moral reasons, which like I said, I respect but I also encourage

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Christians to realize that when you vote for any politician even even though like I said that morality and decency and decorum those

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Things do matter but you are not voting for a Savior. Okay, you already have a

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Savior in Jesus Christ He's the only person that's never gonna fail you He's the only person that's going to be all of your standards of holiness and perfection

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There is never going to be a politician not George Bush Not in the face of the earth that is ever going to satisfy all of your standards for hope and for perfection

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Jesus is coming back. You can put your hope in that do not put your hope in any politician liberal or conservative

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So that's that was my perspective too when I was voting for Donald Trump is okay.

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I'm not voting for Jesus I already got that I'm voting for someone who I think is going to protect the liberties that I think are important for Christianity and for are important for my values

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So that's that's kind of that's my take on it If you had asked Donald Trump, he would have said you're voting for Jesus.

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He definitely would have thought that This is true. And if you ask a lot of Trump supporters, they would also say that It's really unfortunate and painful, right?

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Well, so I think that's where you see people Like people what you just said is

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Amazing, but people take it too far and they're like so I just shouldn't be involved I shouldn't be involved at all

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But really I mean I just based off of things that you said earlier in this interview you know

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Taking care of neighbor loving neighbor is a part of politics like the government the government takes care of Orphans and widows right now, like that's a part of what politics is.

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So you're really even if you think you're separating yourself Yes, I would Be a little bit careful with that However, because if you go down that road that the government takes care of orphans and widows

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Then you get into socialism territory really quickly because you know, that's not the the government's job the reason

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I believe in small government and low taxes in capitalism is because I think That empowers people to be generous and that it

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Empowers Christians to take care of our neighbors the way that we should because we know that socialism doesn't actually make people generous

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A lot of central power doesn't actually lead to Liberty and generosity and charity

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Capitalism does and free markets actually does it's just been shown throughout history. And so The reason why

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I think that politics are important and the government is important. It's not necessarily because they take care of orphans and widows

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But because it It needs light and I think protecting liberty is an active part of being involved in politics

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And I would say that Liberty an individual Liberty is what allows Christianity charity

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Generosity helping our neighbor to flourish and that's why I think it's important for me and for people in our generation

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To make sure that we're pushing for those policies, right? We would definitely our argument would be that the government should not be taking care of orphans and widows

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So yeah, you should you should be involved in it in the way that we need to not have it that way.

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Yeah We're sitting about 10 feet from like a hundred t -shirts that say socialism is theft

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We're on the same page Yeah Messaging your address it's on the way

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So, what are some of the biggest news stories going on right now that you think

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Christians in particular should be aware of well The memo was just released.

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I don't know if necessarily Christians need to be aware of this But if you've been on social media or even turned on the news a little bit over the past couple of weeks

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You've heard of this long -awaited memo that the House Intelligence Committee Has been has drafted and is wanted to release

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Gosh, actually, I just opened up a can of worms because then I'll have to explain all of this. Yeah, basically

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Basically, it's just a memo that alleges that the FBI engaged in misbehavior to target

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Trump's campaign So I'll just leave it in a very general sense. Yeah, but there's this thing called confirmation bias

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The narratives from the right and the left before this confidential memo was declassified

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We're already spinning out of control. The Republicans were saying this memo is legitimate. The Democrats are saying this memo is not legitimate.

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So basically, I would encourage Christians just so they're in the know with the things that are happening and just so that they

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Can decide for themselves whether they can trust our top intelligence agencies in Congress to actually read the memo for yourself

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You can go online and read this memo that was drafted and you can learn all about it there But I do think it's important because I think we need to know

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What's going on with our top intelligence agencies that are supposed to be protecting our democracy the integrity of our institutions

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Is very important for us to function as a constitutional Republic So I think it's important for any

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Christian or just American to know those things I think Let's see.

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Gosh What about how about what about DACA? I think so for me we kind of inhabit the reformed -ish

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Christian world right, and I really feel like That entire universe is super split on Yeah on DACA and what to do about that But then every time

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I watch the news I also get really conflicting information like there's yeah The conservative outlets are like well, this is just actually

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Trump is just reinforcing Obama's policies. So why are the Democrats upset about it?

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Because they supported it then but I just don't know yes, so I So I think that it's okay for Christians to be split on this if you're gonna be split on an issue

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I think that this is an okay issue to be split on because it's it depends on what you see as compassion what

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I think is wrong is to pin this on Republicans Donald Trump is being racist because DACA was instilled by Obama in 2012.

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It's deferred action for childhood arrivals deferred action So what that means is okay, you can apply for DACA Which is the protection that lasts for two years and within that two years when you are protected you are supposed to apply for citizenship and they can apply for renewals, but Essentially, it was just a deferral.

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So Obama if he wanted to grant these Childhood arrivals amnesty he could have done that but he did it.

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He just enacted one an unconstitutional but also a Temporary protection for them

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So if you want to blame a president for not giving full amnesty and full protection

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Permanent protection to childhood arrivals that came here illegally as children then you can blame

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Obama for that He could have given them amnesty and he did not now

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What president Trump said is said hey, I'm going to rescind DACA because it was not done constitutionally

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So Obama said we're gonna protect all these illegal aliens and we're gonna do it unilaterally

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We're not gonna get congressional approval, which is why it's unconstitutional Obama or Trump said okay, that was unconstitutional

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So in September, he said I'm rescinding DACA You've got till March Congress to come up with the legislative solution

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Which is the constitutional way to do it a legislative solution for these so -called dreamers

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Which like I said our childhood arrivals and he even gave them a grace period

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He said hey You've got a month from September to October to apply for DACA if you are a childhood arrival and you won't be deported for the

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Next two years So it wasn't this this whole idea in this whole narrative of Trump is going to round up Mexican babies and send them back without their parents is just not true.

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No one's talking about mass deportations That's not going to happen. But of course, that's what the Democrats want you to think.

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This is a midterm election year So they've got to you know, politically posture and all of that So it's been going back and forth and then with the imminent government shutdown

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There's been spending talks and they have to decide how they're going to allocate their budget attached Attached to the spending talks was this whole

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DACA deal and March is coming up. And so Before DACA is fully rescinded

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Congress Remember was pressed to come up with the legislative solution for these dreamers about eight hundred thousand of them have ever been covered by DACA But there are two million illegal childhood arrivals about to that are in the country

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So Democrats decided to shut the government down because they couldn't come up with a solution for it

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But basically the deal is now that President Trump has gone above and beyond what

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Obama ever did and said You know what? Not only are we gonna get a path to citizenship for these eight hundred thousand illegal childhood arrivals that were covered by DACA But we are going to give a path to citizenship to the two million

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Illegal immigrants that came here as children in exchange for a trust fund for a border wall on Mexico and on Canada, but of course the

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Democrats are still saying this is absolutely racist This is a Nancy Pelosi sweet sweet Nancy Pelosi Said that this is a white supremacist wish list

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Not sure what the heck that even means because we are basically giving amnesty to two million illegal immigrants

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So I am also as a Christian toward on This I believe

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I absolutely believe in the rule of law and I think that it's actually very Uncompassionate if that's really a word for us to create amnesty to two million illegal immigrants and completely

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Ignore the people that have been trying to get in legally for years Our immigration process is messed up so we need to fix that but people have been waiting in line legally for years who

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Believe in the American dream who just want a better life for their family and they've been waiting in line trying to do it

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The right way and now we're just saying you know what you don't matter if you Cut if you cut the line and you broke the rules and you came here illegally

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We're not only going to make sure that you're protected. We're gonna make sure that all of your kids are protected And That troubles me as well and I also think about the men and women in this country that are struggling who are on welfare who

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Need who need our help who need jobs who are negatively affected by Two million legal immigrants becoming citizens now

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That's not to say that all of the illegal immigrants that are here Or probably the vast majority of illegal immigrants that are here are doing wonderful things for our economy.

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They are Adding to society they are wonderful contributions to America But they are still here illegally.

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So that's where I kind of I Don't know I get caught. I think at the end of the day

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I kind of say, you know what? I don't know what's gonna happen But if they're here the same thing as the refugee the same thing as the illegal immigrant if they're here

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Our call as a Christian is to love them. That's it. I mean, we're supposed to love our neighbor. We're supposed to serve them

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We shouldn't feel animosity towards them But at the same time there's a rule of law and what's compassionate for a citizen

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I'll just say that I don't really I don't really know I'm gonna pull like a Paul like he does in Romans where he says something really complicated and then he's like Oh Glory be to God.

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I'm just Stop right there and just break out in in praise because I don't actually know the answer

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I really like that tactic and I'm gonna use that stolen. Yes We'll call it the stucky because I'm stucky and I'm gonna just I got a pun in No, I completely agree with you

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It's such a difficult thing to navigate and I think a lot of time as as Christians We think we should have a black -and -white answer for every issue

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And a black -and -white lens and I do think more importantly than having a black -and -white lens. We should just have a biblical lens whatever whatever that ends up meaning wherever Scripture points us is where we should land no matter what the culture says or what you know

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Our feelings tell us and I I'm just with you. It's a tough issue. I think you're right that we have a very broken system and We are called to love these people and I'm for the rule of law too.

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So it's just difficult. It's a tough one for sure Yeah, yeah You have a fun question.

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I do have a fun question. Okay It has nothing to do Actually, it kind of has something to do with something we talked about you said that you think decency is important So I'm gonna ask you this

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How many animals can a person own before it's? What do you think there's really no right answer,

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I mean, okay, it depends on your home if you live on a farm You can have

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Plethora of animals you can have myriad animals If you live in an apartment or if you live in a small house, like we do.

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Mm -hmm And it also depends on your yard Okay, let me say indoor animals

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I would say maximum three Okay If you're going above three Then your house probably smells and you don't know it and that's actually what gets you into the indecent category when your house smells and you

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Don't know it and I think that that is what happens with my sometimes Sometimes not every time but sometimes with more than three animals.

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That's what would happen for us. Yeah Mm -hmm. I think that if you have a large yard

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You can get away with maybe five animals a large yard If you have a farm you can have as many animals as you want to if you have an apartment don't go over to Just just don't what is small animals?

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What if they're like, oh, you know, I didn't even think about like hamsters and stuff. I was thinking like I mean sure first of all

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I do I'm like a little bit worried if you have Like a rat or a mouse or something.

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Well, and if you have more than one rat or mouse I'm just I personally am a little concerned. I probably it's one too many.

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That's one too many rats one too many if you have as If you have reptiles,

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I'm also Concerned because you have to feed them live crickets. That's like that's really odd So, I I don't know but if you have a hamster if anyone over the age of 13 has a hamster

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You have a hamster you live it with your parents still cuz you're a kid, right? The answer to that would be however, many hamsters your parents

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I do know some legitimate adults. I mean legitimate being relative legitimate adults that have hedgehogs

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I feel like that's kind of trendy right now that I have no idea I would say

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I would limit you to two hedgehogs I feel like that makes you a fake adult who has a dog.

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I'm gonna ask you How many okay, how many cats hmm, can you have mm -hmm before You are pitiful.

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I mean, I feel like everyone who owns a cat and I grew up with cats if you have one cat

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You're automatically a cat person like you just get weird. I think the presence of a cat

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Makes you weird it changes things. It changes you How so because I I do would like to know how

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I've changed you have because you because you have posted pictures of Yourself with your cat on Instagram and it was mostly just your cat

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So you you have technically cat stagrammed which makes you a cat person like what about dogs?

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So you don't think the same things have the same thing happens to people with dogs Recently became a dog person

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Okay, I don't think now like okay, I do agree I agree I was telling my husband this when we adopted our second cat from well,

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I hope they don't listen to the podcast but from the people that we adopted them from I had to go to the house and Get the cat and I came home to my husband.

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I was like Babe cat people true cat people are not.

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Okay Okay, we are on the edge we're still doing okay, we don't call ourself mommy and daddy most of the time but true cat people like we'll walk around with headbands with cat ears on it and Weird stuff like that And that is not okay, and I don't see that happening quite as much dog people.

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I Agree, I think so there summers attempting to make a distinction. Oh, yeah

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Between I think dog and cat people are different. I don't think being a cat person is

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Bad, and I don't think being a dog person is bad because I love all animals Well, I can't think being a cat person is bad because my dad has like a cat waterfall for his cats to drink out of So like I can't

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I can't think that it's bad He's the best person ever, but he has a waterfall for his cats

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So like it's okay And I just found I'm finding out right now that you have to so I just wanna let you know

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You're in some kind of like zone where you might go over the edge. And this is just like my warning to you

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No, okay, the real problem is here that you haven't been following me closely enough on Instagram You know,

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I blame the drive, you know I have to travel so long to get here, but my husband can tell you I was just stalking you like all week

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So I hope you'll feel better about that. Well, okay Tell me if this makes a difference if this makes me a better cat person

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My cat's names are Rachel McAdams and cat Damon. Well, I knew that Cat Damon we actually call him sweatpants obviously

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Logically. Yeah. No, we call him sweatpants because he's gray and super chill and that's my outfit of choice

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And so it's like I had to name something. I can't name my child sweatpants. So yeah I've been in my cat sweatpants.

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So I think that makes me like a little I don't know like cooler Yeah, I don't know totally

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I mean I love you your I feel like you're my spirit animal because gray sweatpants are my Favorite piece of clothing in the whole universe and name here it with pair it with a gray sweatshirt

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You had a rocking grout fit and it's like I'm done for the rest of the day

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I'm so happy because I'm just wearing gray That's I'm totally with you

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Keeps dying. So anyway, I think that's um, do you have any more questions for miss

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Allie? No, I mean I could talk about animals all day. I know Ask another animal question.

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Yeah See, okay. Let one more thing and in favor of cat people against dog people

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Although I will say I love dogs too. And so I'm not saying I'm not a dog person I'm just very cat person because they're self -sufficient we cat people do not call our dogs doggos and Puppers and all those things and that is what gets freaking weird

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I'm like, it's a dog. Okay, it's not a dog. Oh, it's not a pupper.

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It's not a human It's just an animal and the only reason I love you is because you give them food and I just think that sometimes

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Sometimes dog people go a little over the edge with that stuff And they would say that cat people go a little over the edge with their animal that doesn't really love them

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I think it's all I think all of its okay. And as long as you're not the type of dog or cat person that's willing to Violently fight over your differences, then we're good

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Feel like you're talking for personal experience Okay, so here's here's what

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I am I'm an all kinds of animal person I Can't own any animals.

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Otherwise, I could never leave my house again. Yeah, do I serious about I would be afraid

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To leave them and they would do something and I'd miss it or they'd miss Joy's apartment would be like that scene in Ace Ventura when he comes home and all the animals come out, right?

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That would be joy, right? So that takes a lot of self -control and discipline for you though. So Congratulations.

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Yeah, I have to otherwise it would just take over my life. We wouldn't be here right now I'll just be an empty chair.

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I need to be like, where's joy and somewhere be like she's at home with her And she's just with her parents or whatever weird thing is happening

50:34

Okay, Ali, thank you so much for your time. I okay So two things two things before we get off the phone with you one

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I just want to encourage you because I know that what you're doing is so hard. You're you know, we have like an eighth of your audience and I feel the pressure and I just feel like I want to encourage you because a lot of times when

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I look at your Twitter feed like I'll just come across things where it's like This girl's really standing up.

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She's doing this really well, you know, you'll be talking about politics and saying something and then the next thing

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I know it's like a Thread where you're just like giving people the gospel and I really that encourages me as someone

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Female who's in media and like seeing you stand up for that And so I want to encourage you to just keep on keeping on with what you're doing and we just you were in your corner

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I just really appreciate you and thank you so much well, let me say likewise because I just I think that if you guys are so Rare in what you do and I know that we're probably long on time but I just do want to say that you guys have been very refreshing for me and such a good resource so often when

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I Plug in to female resources for the Bible. I feel like it's watered down and in super emotional almost like Almost like Bible studies don't think that women can handle deep theological truth

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Like I'd rather just talk about how like cute Jesus is or like how sweet and funny he is and I've just always hated that I'm like I want you know deep theological truth just like anyone else and I Just applaud you guys for kind of going into that world and if not completely kind of spearheading it for our generation

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I mean, I've just I've learned a lot and I really loved Listening to you guys and I'm very proud of you guys for being so so bold in this so Thank you so much.

52:31

Oh my gosh. I don't even know what's happening. Yeah. Okay. Well, I can end my day now because it was great

52:37

Okay, Ali tell us tell us about your new show where people can find it before we end this

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Yes, so CR TV comm slash alley. That is CR TV comm slash alley

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And you'll get two short videos a week and then a podcast every week And then one longer form video every couple of weeks and it just started so if you go on there and you only see a couple

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Videos, that's because it's only been live for a week And then of course, you can follow me on social media unless you hate cats, then you'll probably hate it

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So just don't but if you're interested in seeing my cats and then by all means come along I post about them often.

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So that's odd. They're very cute. Everyone should go look. Yeah Thank you. If you don't like her cats, you're just wrong.

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Also, your glasses are really cute. Oh my gosh, I lost them I don't know where they are. Oh, no. What are you gonna do as of today?

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I don't know Slightly a wreck so they very well could be here

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Yeah, I'm gonna say that I lost them for now and I'm very sad, but thank you for the compliment I could just like keep going on because I know

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I have like glasses saga galore stories, but I'm gonna let you go Seriously, Ali. Thank you so much for spending your time with us today.

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We we loved every second of it. Thank you me, too Good. All right. We'll talk to you later.

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Okay. Bye. Bye That was awesome. Mm -hmm I'm really glad that this live video is almost over but I just I knew

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I told you she's my soul sister And now

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I know for sure because I got to speak to her at length there's song about that Love to put that in here.

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I don't know. I'll try to name. Yeah. Oh and hey if you guys want to see our full ad It's debuting on the first episode of season 2 of next week with Jeff Durbin, which is releasing

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February 13th February 13th, so it'll play as an ad on next week's Jeff Durbin and then of course, we'll

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Release it so that you guys can just enjoy it 500 times because I watch it on repeat.

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Yeah So anyway, um, if you loved this episode or hated this episode

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